WEBVTT - Jim Bowden’s trade buzz update 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:12.399 Front off is unfiltered. It's our resident GM. Jim Bowden, 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:14.760 It's the big week. It's the best week, trade deadline week. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:15.960 JB. Good to see you. 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.640 But let's start with the closer market and how it's 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.239 going to be impacted with Emmanuel class A. 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.360 Off the list. Did you think that he was going 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.480 to get traded. Oh, he was going to get traded, 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.920 there's no doubt. And Chris Antoney, the president might turn off. 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:34.080 The GM have been working six weeks at moving Emmanuel 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.800 class A and they were in a really strong position 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.680 as sellers, and they decided to sell, and that's the 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:43.839 direction they were going, and class A was going to 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.600 be the headliner at this trade deadline for them. And 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.559 they were in a great position because we have so 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:54.440 many of the contending teams and division leading teams that 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.959 were focusing on high leverage back end relievers, the Phillies, 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:06.720 the Mets, the Dodgers, the Seattle Mariners, the Detroit Tigers. 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.679 It's just overwhelming the market. And they had one of 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:13.119 the top two guys and they had been working very 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.800 diligently to get it. So this is franchise changing. This 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.800 is a huge blow for them because this was going 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.080 to be an opportunity to really reset this organization by 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.720 using him as trade bait here, and so it is 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:28.000 just a huge setback. 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.280 Jim, I don't know this, but I'm assuming you never 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:37.000 had a guy go under investigation for gambling, maybe steroids, 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.640 maybe something else gets suspended right for the trade deadline. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.280 But as a GM president of baseball offs, how do 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.080 you flip it right away? Because, like you said, if 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.080 they were so close to moving him, then all of 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.840 a sudden he's off the table, right then do you 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:51.840 think we'll move him in the off season? And how 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.520 do you flip your organizational's thought process. Have you've been 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.520 working on this, like you said, for six weeks. 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.080 Well, I don't think you can think about trading Class 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.000 A in the off season with for them to put 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.720 him on the administrative lead through August. There has to 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:09.720 be significant evidence on this. And I hate to bring 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.000 up John ta Porter in the NBA, but he's been 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.440 banned for life and he pleaded guilty and these Major 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.640 League Baseball is not going to do this unless there's 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:23.760 overwhelming evidence. Now he deserves due process. So as a GM, 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.200 it's a great question. Aj. You know, I do think 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.639 you always have to pivot, right. I mean, like when 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.800 the Yankees lost out on one Soda that they quickly 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.120 pivoted to Max f Reid. I mean, it's not the 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.960 end of the world, but you just lost a huge asset. 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.040 You know, you could pivot now to Kate Smith. Whatever 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:42.280 discussions you were having regarding Class A, you know you 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.280 can now go back and offer Kate Smith instead. You're 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.400 not going to get quite the same package. You're gonna 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.239 have to take less, but you still have to go forward. 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.520 You know, injuries happen in this game where you can 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.000 have a star player and then all of a sudden, 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:58.320 here's Tommy John surgery right before the deadline, and it happens. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.000 You mentioned pds. You could have a guy gets a 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.919 PD suspension. So as a GM, you have to roll 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.160 with it. You don't have a choice. It's unfortunate, it's disappointing, 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.280 it's a punch in the belly, but you gotta pivot 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:12.280 always and you have to move. 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.000 On to the next So now let's look at the 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.040 big picture of the reliever market. 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:17.480 JB. 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:19.320 What do you have for us? Who do you think 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.160 is going to be the biggest name of that group? 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.800 To move do you think that some of the multi 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.440 year team control guys like a Duran or a Jacks 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.560 is going to move versus the rentals of course like 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:32.600 Oriyan Helsley. 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:35.560 Yeah, so I think it's going to be a very 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.840 active market, just because that's the goal that these gms. 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.000 When I talk to the gms and I ask what 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:46.000 your goal is? Impact, high leverage, reliever is what you're hearing. 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.040 I just went through the teams. I don't even think 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.320 I remember to mention the Texas Rangers in that right 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.080 with Seattle, and so that's the goal. And I think, 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.520 you know, if you're a team in cell mode, you 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.560 have a chance to win this trade deadline, right, you 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.520 have a chance to really help rebuild your franchise by 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.520 trading your back end guy. So I do expect the 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.720 Twins to trade either Johann Durant or Griffin Jacks. I 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.320 think Duran will go. I think Ryan Helsley has to go. 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.280 If you're Saint Louis, you know John Mozelak stepping down, 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.760 hind Bloom's going to take over. I think it would 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:18.520 be foolish to hold on to him. You're not going 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.960 to be able to extend him. I think Raziale Glacias 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.240 gets moved. I think David Bednar gets moved. I think 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.640 Seth Halverson of the Colorado Rockies gets moved. The Nationals 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.120 are trying to move Kyle Finnegain, he probably gets moved. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.960 So yeah, and even Kenley Jansen of the Angels. You know, 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.000 I didn't get a chance to talk to Perry manassion 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.360 because he was ill over the weekend. But you know, 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.480 I got to think we're there in the standings right 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.600 now that they need to move on from Jansen too. 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.240 So there's a lot of relievers out there. There's a 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.800 huge buying market for them in particular, and I think 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.240 it's pretty foolish really for those teams to hold on 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.880 to them with the possible returns they're going to be 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.520 able to get in terms of really good prospect returns. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:58.400 I love what you just said, Jim. I just have 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.160 one question for you. When is it's just gonna be 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:01.760 a last. 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.719 Minute Flirriday Thursday? 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.039 No, I know it's just gonna be a last minute flurry. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.919 Everyone's gonna wait, best offer, best offer. Nobody wants to 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.960 jump on this now. And maybe hey, say you get 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.039 one of these bullpen guys and they win you a 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.680 game Tuesday or Wednesday instead of waiting till Thursday. Why 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:19.280 why are we waiting till the last minute. 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:20.560 Let's get this going people. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.800 No, I'd like it too, but I know I talked 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.400 to several GMS yesterday and they said it's gonna be Thursday, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.320 and it's gonna be a flurry, and everyone's gonna pivot 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.640 once the first guy goes. You know what the contending 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.599 gms and presidents do right now is we have lined 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.000 up our priority list to who we want. Right so, 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:42.039 if we had Class A one, Duran two, Bennar three, 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.919 Hellsley four, for example, I now have to take class 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.800 off the board right So now before I before I 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:53.200 make my legitimate final offer for Bennar and Helsley, I 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.680 need to make sure that Derek Falve and the Twins 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.760 tells me I can't get Durant. And I'm gonna tell 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.120 Ben Sherrington who's guy? Ben Nara and Dramozev at Helsley, 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.400 I want your guys. They're second and third on my list. 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:07.680 I've got to see if I can get Duran first. 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:11.040 So now the Minnesota Twins hold up, hold it up 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.279 if they want to wait to Thursday to get their 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.159 best offer, which you know, with class off the board, 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.760 price just went up, right if you're selling, so you know, 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:21.839 you probably gonna have to wait for Thursday morning or 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.640 Thursday afternoon. And when the first guy goes and I 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:26.839 didn't get them, I'm gonna go to my second guy 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.440 and try to close that. And then if that doesn't work, 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.080 I go to my third guy, and then the fourth 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.480 guy and the fifth guy. There's not enough to go around, 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.000 so that's why it gets delayed. You know. 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Check out surf shark dot com 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:48.000 slash vowel. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.640 Is there a team that's lined up or primed to 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.720 get two of these guys you talk about like everybody's 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.520 bidding everybody. There's so many guys that need high leverage 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.880 relievers and there's a decent amount out there. Is there 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:03.360 a team that's in line to get two of them? 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.000 I think when we say two of them, I think 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.320 the two would have to be Bednar and Dennis Santana, 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.960 which isn't really two impact closers. That really wasn't your question, 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.520 but I think I think that's possible with the Phillies 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.720 or Mets. They've had a lot of discussions with the 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.760 with the pirates regarding that. But to answer your question, no, 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:20.160 I don't think you're going to see a team that 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.760 gets Dran and Bedner or Helsley and Durant. I don't 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.560 think that's gonna happen because I think you're gonna I 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.640 think each team's gonna do better taking advantage of who's left. 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.240 You know, I talked to Jerry Depoto, the president of 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.880 the Seattle Mariners, yesterday, and you know, I asked him 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.599 if he was done after making his great trade for 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.440 Josh Naler, and he said, no, I mean, I'm going 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.800 all in. I'm there, I'm going and he's got his 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.400 owners willing to spend money at this deadline. He has 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.079 a farm system that's literally loaded. There's no reason why 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.200 he shouldn't finish a job, and as a former major 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:55.199 league reliever himself, that's his priority. That being said, I 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.480 asked him if he was still in on Suaz, expecting 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:59.440 a no, and he said, if I can add impact 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.839 at third base, I'll do that too. So I think 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.240 Seattle is gonna be very, very fascinating here over the 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.560 next couple of days here, without a doubt. And I 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.520 also think the other two teams that are very intriguing 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.720 right now are the Cubs and the Phillies. And I 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.080 just bring them up, you guys, just because I'm just 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.840 hearing the Cubs are going after every top starter out there, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:22.000 right Edward Cabrera and San die Al Contra in Miami, 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.920 Mitch Keller in Pittsburgh, Mackenzie Gore in Washington, and that 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.160 Jed Hoyer is obsessed with getting one and he's got 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.800 enough in his system he gets snap his fingers and 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.600 get a deal done there. And Dave Dobrowski, you get 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.679 the sense. And we covered and watched Dave Debrowski win 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.200 a world championship with the Florida Marlins and the Boston 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.439 Red Sox. We saw him get the Tigers there, the 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.200 Phillies there, but he really wants to get that world 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.880 championship ring with the Phillies. And I feel like this 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.840 is the year that he's gonna absolutely put that accelerator 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.840 at full blast, get that back end reliever that he wants. 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.040 And I believe he was in on Class A and Kwan. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.640 I thought there was a chance he gets both of them. 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.520 I won't be surprised if he's the guy that ends 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.240 up with duran Or and he's the guy that ends 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.400 up with Lewis Robert. That wouldn't surprise me at all. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.679 By the way, Jim, somebody just said I laughed about 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:14.040 Jerry Depoto making trades like him. Aj Preller, Dave Dombrowski. 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:15.240 I mean it's like, you'll. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:16.640 Get a trade, you get a trade, you'll get a trade. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:17.360 Everyone gets a trade. 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:18.720 Boom boom boom boom boom. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:19.040 Right. 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:20.680 I mean the only one, Jed Hoyer, is a little 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.600 more calculated, but the other ones are like, oh, you 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.880 want this, Okay, we'll give you that. We'll give you that. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:25.360 We'll trade. 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.520 Yeah, we'll make trade just to make trade. Sometimes it 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.560 feels like the Poto just made trades to make trades, 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.680 just to say, hey, I tried guys with trades, but 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.000 would take for them to have money. 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:33.760 That's big news. 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.280 Yeah. I think he's been a little bit more measured 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:40.160 though over the last year and a half, looking back, right, 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.199 I think you're right. I think when he first went 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.840 to Seattle, even with the Angels, he was wheeling and 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.679 dealing left and right. I think he's learned to be 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.880 a little bit more measured, going after specifically what he wants. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.440 I think he's worked really hard to build this team. 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.920 I asked him yesterday, is this the best baseball team 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.720 you've ever overseen? And he said yes. Remember he had 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:01.720 that ninety eight win team with the Angels when he 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.240 was GM. There had a lot of stars back then. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:06.800 But he says this is the best team he's had, 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.679 and I would tend to agree with them. And I 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.320 think when you look at it, you really want to 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.520 finish the job when you're this close, because you know, 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.960 if you're able to get a Duran or a bed 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.400 Inard here for the back end of the bullpen, and 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.959 if you were able to miraclely somehow get Suarez as well, 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.640 you'd have as good a chance not only win the division, 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.199 you'd have a good chance to win the World Series 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:28.880 two with the pitching they have, And they're going to 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:30.800 get Bryce Miller back soon, so they're going to be 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.200 six starting pitchers deep if you include Logan Evans. So 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.360 I think Depoto has grown with the job there. Like 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.240 you know, it takes a long time to learn how 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.440 to do this job right. It really does. And the 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.680 more experience you have, the wiser you get, the less 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.160 mistakes you make. And I think Jerry has turned the 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.520 corner that way. But I totally understand understand where you're 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.240 coming from there, JB. 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.120 So we know a lot of these relievers are going 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.439 to move. Do you feel the same way about the 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.440 impact starters? And when I say impact starter, someone who 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.840 you would trust in a playoff game, right, basically a 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.800 top three guy. Do you think that Sandy al Contra 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.560 actually will be moved McKenzie Gore, Mitch Keller, it sounded 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.880 like over the weekend they were still deliberating about or 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.600 I'm like, are they asked actually just trying to get 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:14.199 the right price for him. 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.480 Yeah, it's a great question, and my answer is I'm 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:21.040 not sure. Okay, So what I'm being told by the 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.200 Marlins camp is they are not going to trade al 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:29.040 Contra for a discounted package. So if somebody wants to 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:32.040 pay him as if he was the National League Cy 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:34.240 Young Award winner like he was a few years ago, 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.800 then they will trade him. But if no one's going 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:39.920 to offer that package, then they're going to keep them. 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.360 And they feel like they have figured out some things 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:44.640 with him. They think he's gonna have a strong August 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.480 and September, and they would prefer to wait until the 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.960 offseason when teams understand that it costs two hundred million 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.360 to go get a premium starter and then they'll see 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.560 if they can get a better trade package there. So 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.400 I'm not sure. I don't know if anyone's going to 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.720 step up and pay that kind of price for all Contra. 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.719 I mean, i'd ask you guys if you would. I mean, 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.160 certainly his last start looked great, but with his inconsistencies 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.160 all year and coming back from Tommy John, you know, 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.520 sometimes it's the next year that you're better. So I 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.400 would think it's more likely they trade Cabrera than all 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.400 Contra at this point. Now, in terms of McKenzie, Gore 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.040 is kind of a fascinating position. Right, So you have 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.680 an interim GM in Mike de Bartolow and Washington, right, 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:30.559 and that interim tag is huge, rights. It's in bright lights, right, 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.160 with exclamation points all around the interim. So we know 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:38.040 they're trying to move Mike Soroka and Kyle Finnigan, and 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.280 they probably will, but they're not going to get a 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.320 return that's gonna help the career. Mike the Bartolow, right, 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.160 we're gonna look and say, okay, you got a solid 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.360 mid level prospect for each of them. You know, nice going, 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.680 and that's gonna be it, right, But what if what 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.960 if he gets the huge package from the Cubs on 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.040 Mackenzie Gore. What would that do for his career? If 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.160 he walks into the owner and say, look at the 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.480 package of these four guys that I can get for Gore, 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:05.960 and this is what we think of these guys and 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:10.160 how it will impact us going forward, that might allow 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.199 him to get rid of that interim in front of 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.640 the GM. Right, and they're going to hire a president 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.240 of baseball operations, but perhaps let's just say they can 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.960 get Eric Neander from Tampa to be the president of 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.800 the Washington Nationals. He could keep to Bartolow in theory, 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.560 as the GM or the owner could make that part 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.400 of the deal. But I think the only way Mike 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.920 de Bartolow probably gets to keep this is make a 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.760 splash at the deadline and show people how good you 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:37.920 are at what you do, and don't be afraid. The 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.760 Nationals are not going to sign Mackenzie Gore long term. 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.120 He's represented by Scott Bores and ownership is still upset 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:48.280 about the Patrick Corbyn contract, the Steven Strasburg contract, the fact, 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.320 they're still paying Max Schurz to to pitch for Toronto, 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.320 So I kind of find it fascinating and look forward 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:55.800 to seeing what happens there. 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.080 By the way you asked me the question, I'll give 0:14:58.080 --> 0:14:59.880 you the answer, Jim, I would not trade for our contract. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.000 He's a number one because he hasn't pitched like it. 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.200 And yes, I know he's cheap, but there's no guarantee 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.440 he's going to bounce back. So no, I would not. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.800 But that's just me and I'm not a GM and 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.400 I'm not My job's online, So I'm just saying, but 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.880 let's move on to a different team. Let's move to 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.240 a different things. Kansas City. Why is Kansas City buying? 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.000 I mean, they're signing Lugo to an extension. Why did 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.400 they bring in grit Chick if they're because I just 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.400 don't see them being a team that can even if 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.880 they sneak into the playoffs, can they do damage? 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.640 No, I don't think so. They're buying because they don't 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.800 have expiring contracts. They were in the playoffs last year. 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.720 You know they're they're hoping to get Cole Reagan's back 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.800 at some point. Noah Cameron's been really good in the rotation. 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.920 If they traded Lugo, they weren't going to get the 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.480 return that was going to be significant. And they quite 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.960 frankly think that even if they don't win this year, 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.440 they can bounce right back next year and be right 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.440 back in it. And they you know, Luca has been 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.600 really effective for them, and he the way he pitches, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.840 there's no reason to think he can't pitch this way 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.320 for two or three more years. So I thought it 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.400 was a really good move to sign him. Now. In 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:07.360 terms of getting Gritchick and getting Adam Fraser, you know 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.280 they're little moves, but you know, Gritchi can still hit 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.600 left handed pitching Jack Caglion went down with a hamstring. 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.800 You know he can fill in there. He's a major 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:20.160 league fourth outfielder. Fraser can play different positions. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:20.360 You know. 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.040 Look, we all want a team to improve by a 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.040 yard or a foot or an inch, but sometimes a 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.200 centimeter is makes you a little bit better. I think 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.760 they would like to go bigger if they can. I 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.920 think they would love to go get a big, powerful 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.640 left fielder that can impact the middle of the lineup. 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.800 That would be their goal. They'd like to use their 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.080 catching depth in the minor leagues to do that. They 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.000 haven't been able to do it. They're going to continue 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.040 to try to do it, but without expiring contracts. And 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.520 the fact that you're building around Bobby Witch Junior and 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:55.800 mikel Garcia and Jack Caglione and Vinnie Pascantino. Salvador Perez 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.000 is still performing and you still have two top catching 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:03.640 prospects and Cardiage Jensen and Blake Mitchell coming. I understand 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.280 where they are, you know, as Stevez is controllable, er 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.720 seg is controllable. I think they need to keep adding 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.720 and whether it for be this year or the next 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.080 year or the year after. I kind of understand what 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:15.280 they're trying to do here. 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.639 Jamie, I gotta ask. We've talked about pitchers mostly. Some 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.439 teams are getting some of the position players. Would you 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:29.000 do because the Mets needa centerfielder Luis Robert Jr. For 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.159 Mark Vento. Straight up. 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.520 No, I'd hold on to Mark Vantos. I mean, I 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:38.600 really like what I saw with Vano's last September and October, 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.040 and I can't get that out of my head. I 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.000 think I saw it, and I think we can bring 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:47.080 that back, you know, Lewis Roberts kind of a polarizing guy. Right. 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.440 We all love his tools. He's a plus defender in 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.879 center field. He's got power, he's got speed. He hasn't 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.600 hit for a couple of years. He's dealing, he's dealt 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.639 with injuries. He's got a groin right now. You know, 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:00.679 I would take a chance on him if it was 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.200 the right spot to take a chance on him. I 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.600 think it's risky, to be honest with you. You know, 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.879 sometimes it doesn't look like he wants to play. You know, 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.840 sometimes I don't know if is he kind of lacks 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.639 a day's goal, not focused because he's been on the 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.200 last place team the last several years, or because there's 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.840 no help around the lineup to help him, so he 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.800 ends up chasing pitches he normally wouldn't chase if there 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.040 was more help around the lineup. Like I look at 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.160 Robert and I would say to myself, if I were 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.960 the Phillies, I would take a chance on him because 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.400 I think if I could put his locker in between 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.479 Schwarber and Harper, I think we'd have a chance of 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.560 maximizing what he's capable of doing. It would be a 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.200 good ballpark for him, putting him in a winning atmosphere 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.520 and see what I can get. But I wouldn't give 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.840 up too much to get him. I think, you know, 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.159 if I were to give up a top ten prospect, 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.119 probably one that's in the more six to ten range, 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.240