1 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: Front off is unfiltered. It's our resident GM. Jim Bowden, 2 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: It's the big week. It's the best week, trade deadline week. 3 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: JB. Good to see you. 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: But let's start with the closer market and how it's 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: going to be impacted with Emmanuel class A. 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: Off the list. Did you think that he was going 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: to get traded. Oh, he was going to get traded, 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: there's no doubt. And Chris Antoney, the president might turn off. 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: The GM have been working six weeks at moving Emmanuel 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: class A and they were in a really strong position 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: as sellers, and they decided to sell, and that's the 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: direction they were going, and class A was going to 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: be the headliner at this trade deadline for them. And 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: they were in a great position because we have so 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: many of the contending teams and division leading teams that 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 2: were focusing on high leverage back end relievers, the Phillies, 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: the Mets, the Dodgers, the Seattle Mariners, the Detroit Tigers. 18 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: It's just overwhelming the market. And they had one of 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 2: the top two guys and they had been working very 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: diligently to get it. So this is franchise changing. This 21 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: is a huge blow for them because this was going 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: to be an opportunity to really reset this organization by 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: using him as trade bait here, and so it is 24 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: just a huge setback. 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: Jim, I don't know this, but I'm assuming you never 26 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: had a guy go under investigation for gambling, maybe steroids, 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: maybe something else gets suspended right for the trade deadline. 28 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: But as a GM president of baseball offs, how do 29 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: you flip it right away? Because, like you said, if 30 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 3: they were so close to moving him, then all of 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: a sudden he's off the table, right then do you 32 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: think we'll move him in the off season? And how 33 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 3: do you flip your organizational's thought process. Have you've been 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: working on this, like you said, for six weeks. 35 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you can think about trading Class 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: A in the off season with for them to put 37 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: him on the administrative lead through August. There has to 38 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: be significant evidence on this. And I hate to bring 39 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: up John ta Porter in the NBA, but he's been 40 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: banned for life and he pleaded guilty and these Major 41 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: League Baseball is not going to do this unless there's 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: overwhelming evidence. Now he deserves due process. So as a GM, 43 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: it's a great question. Aj. You know, I do think 44 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: you always have to pivot, right. I mean, like when 45 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: the Yankees lost out on one Soda that they quickly 46 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: pivoted to Max f Reid. I mean, it's not the 47 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: end of the world, but you just lost a huge asset. 48 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: You know, you could pivot now to Kate Smith. Whatever 49 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: discussions you were having regarding Class A, you know you 50 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: can now go back and offer Kate Smith instead. You're 51 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: not going to get quite the same package. You're gonna 52 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 2: have to take less, but you still have to go forward. 53 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 2: You know, injuries happen in this game where you can 54 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: have a star player and then all of a sudden, 55 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: here's Tommy John surgery right before the deadline, and it happens. 56 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: You mentioned pds. You could have a guy gets a 57 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: PD suspension. So as a GM, you have to roll 58 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: with it. You don't have a choice. It's unfortunate, it's disappointing, 59 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: it's a punch in the belly, but you gotta pivot 60 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: always and you have to move. 61 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: On to the next So now let's look at the 62 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: big picture of the reliever market. 63 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: JB. 64 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: What do you have for us? Who do you think 65 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: is going to be the biggest name of that group? 66 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: To move do you think that some of the multi 67 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: year team control guys like a Duran or a Jacks 68 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: is going to move versus the rentals of course like 69 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: Oriyan Helsley. 70 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think it's going to be a very 71 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: active market, just because that's the goal that these gms. 72 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: When I talk to the gms and I ask what 73 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: your goal is? Impact, high leverage, reliever is what you're hearing. 74 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: I just went through the teams. I don't even think 75 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: I remember to mention the Texas Rangers in that right 76 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: with Seattle, and so that's the goal. And I think, 77 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: you know, if you're a team in cell mode, you 78 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: have a chance to win this trade deadline, right, you 79 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: have a chance to really help rebuild your franchise by 80 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: trading your back end guy. So I do expect the 81 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: Twins to trade either Johann Durant or Griffin Jacks. I 82 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: think Duran will go. I think Ryan Helsley has to go. 83 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: If you're Saint Louis, you know John Mozelak stepping down, 84 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: hind Bloom's going to take over. I think it would 85 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: be foolish to hold on to him. You're not going 86 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: to be able to extend him. I think Raziale Glacias 87 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: gets moved. I think David Bednar gets moved. I think 88 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: Seth Halverson of the Colorado Rockies gets moved. The Nationals 89 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: are trying to move Kyle Finnegain, he probably gets moved. 90 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, and even Kenley Jansen of the Angels. You know, 91 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: I didn't get a chance to talk to Perry manassion 92 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: because he was ill over the weekend. But you know, 93 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: I got to think we're there in the standings right 94 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: now that they need to move on from Jansen too. 95 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of relievers out there. There's a 96 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: huge buying market for them in particular, and I think 97 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: it's pretty foolish really for those teams to hold on 98 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: to them with the possible returns they're going to be 99 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: able to get in terms of really good prospect returns. 100 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: I love what you just said, Jim. I just have 101 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 3: one question for you. When is it's just gonna be 102 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: a last. 103 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: Minute Flirriday Thursday? 104 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: No, I know it's just gonna be a last minute flurry. 105 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 3: Everyone's gonna wait, best offer, best offer. Nobody wants to 106 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 3: jump on this now. And maybe hey, say you get 107 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 3: one of these bullpen guys and they win you a 108 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: game Tuesday or Wednesday instead of waiting till Thursday. Why 109 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 3: why are we waiting till the last minute. 110 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: Let's get this going people. 111 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: No, I'd like it too, but I know I talked 112 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: to several GMS yesterday and they said it's gonna be Thursday, 113 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: and it's gonna be a flurry, and everyone's gonna pivot 114 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: once the first guy goes. You know what the contending 115 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: gms and presidents do right now is we have lined 116 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: up our priority list to who we want. Right so, 117 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 2: if we had Class A one, Duran two, Bennar three, 118 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 2: Hellsley four, for example, I now have to take class 119 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: off the board right So now before I before I 120 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: make my legitimate final offer for Bennar and Helsley, I 121 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: need to make sure that Derek Falve and the Twins 122 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: tells me I can't get Durant. And I'm gonna tell 123 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: Ben Sherrington who's guy? Ben Nara and Dramozev at Helsley, 124 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: I want your guys. They're second and third on my list. 125 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: I've got to see if I can get Duran first. 126 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: So now the Minnesota Twins hold up, hold it up 127 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 2: if they want to wait to Thursday to get their 128 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: best offer, which you know, with class off the board, 129 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: price just went up, right if you're selling, so you know, 130 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: you probably gonna have to wait for Thursday morning or 131 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: Thursday afternoon. And when the first guy goes and I 132 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: didn't get them, I'm gonna go to my second guy 133 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: and try to close that. And then if that doesn't work, 134 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: I go to my third guy, and then the fourth 135 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: guy and the fifth guy. There's not enough to go around, 136 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: so that's why it gets delayed. You know. I think 137 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: we'll have a trickle of trades, you know, today and tomorrow. 138 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: I think we'll see some action Wednesday, but I think 139 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 2: Thursday for the reliever market is when you're gonna get 140 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: the blizzard, the tornado, and the hurricane all on one. 141 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: Ft fam we have a special offer for you. 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Is there 162 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 4: a team that's in line to get two of them? 163 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: I think when we say two of them, I think 164 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: the two would have to be Bednar and Dennis Santana, 165 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: which isn't really two impact closers. That really wasn't your question, 166 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: but I think I think that's possible with the Phillies 167 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: or Mets. They've had a lot of discussions with the 168 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: with the pirates regarding that. But to answer your question, no, 169 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to see a team that 170 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: gets Dran and Bedner or Helsley and Durant. I don't 171 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: think that's gonna happen because I think you're gonna I 172 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: think each team's gonna do better taking advantage of who's left. 173 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: You know, I talked to Jerry Depoto, the president of 174 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: the Seattle Mariners, yesterday, and you know, I asked him 175 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,599 Speaker 2: if he was done after making his great trade for 176 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 2: Josh Naler, and he said, no, I mean, I'm going 177 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: all in. I'm there, I'm going and he's got his 178 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: owners willing to spend money at this deadline. He has 179 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 2: a farm system that's literally loaded. There's no reason why 180 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 2: he shouldn't finish a job, and as a former major 181 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 2: league reliever himself, that's his priority. That being said, I 182 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: asked him if he was still in on Suaz, expecting 183 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 2: a no, and he said, if I can add impact 184 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 2: at third base, I'll do that too. So I think 185 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: Seattle is gonna be very, very fascinating here over the 186 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: next couple of days here, without a doubt. And I 187 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: also think the other two teams that are very intriguing 188 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: right now are the Cubs and the Phillies. And I 189 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: just bring them up, you guys, just because I'm just 190 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: hearing the Cubs are going after every top starter out there, 191 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: right Edward Cabrera and San die Al Contra in Miami, 192 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: Mitch Keller in Pittsburgh, Mackenzie Gore in Washington, and that 193 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: Jed Hoyer is obsessed with getting one and he's got 194 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: enough in his system he gets snap his fingers and 195 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: get a deal done there. And Dave Dobrowski, you get 196 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 2: the sense. And we covered and watched Dave Debrowski win 197 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: a world championship with the Florida Marlins and the Boston 198 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 2: Red Sox. We saw him get the Tigers there, the 199 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: Phillies there, but he really wants to get that world 200 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: championship ring with the Phillies. And I feel like this 201 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: is the year that he's gonna absolutely put that accelerator 202 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: at full blast, get that back end reliever that he wants. 203 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: And I believe he was in on Class A and Kwan. 204 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: I thought there was a chance he gets both of them. 205 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: I won't be surprised if he's the guy that ends 206 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: up with duran Or and he's the guy that ends 207 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: up with Lewis Robert. That wouldn't surprise me at all. 208 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 3: By the way, Jim, somebody just said I laughed about 209 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: Jerry Depoto making trades like him. Aj Preller, Dave Dombrowski. 210 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 4: I mean it's like, you'll. 211 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 3: Get a trade, you get a trade, you'll get a trade. 212 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: Everyone gets a trade. 213 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom boom. 214 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 4: Right. 215 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 3: I mean the only one, Jed Hoyer, is a little 216 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 3: more calculated, but the other ones are like, oh, you 217 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: want this, Okay, we'll give you that. We'll give you that. 218 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: We'll trade. 219 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll make trade just to make trade. Sometimes it 220 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 3: feels like the Poto just made trades to make trades, 221 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 3: just to say, hey, I tried guys with trades, but 222 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 3: would take for them to have money. 223 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 4: That's big news. 224 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he's been a little bit more measured 225 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: though over the last year and a half, looking back, right, 226 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think when he first went 227 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: to Seattle, even with the Angels, he was wheeling and 228 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 2: dealing left and right. I think he's learned to be 229 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: a little bit more measured, going after specifically what he wants. 230 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 2: I think he's worked really hard to build this team. 231 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: I asked him yesterday, is this the best baseball team 232 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: you've ever overseen? And he said yes. Remember he had 233 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: that ninety eight win team with the Angels when he 234 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: was GM. There had a lot of stars back then. 235 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: But he says this is the best team he's had, 236 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 2: and I would tend to agree with them. And I 237 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: think when you look at it, you really want to 238 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: finish the job when you're this close, because you know, 239 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 2: if you're able to get a Duran or a bed 240 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: Inard here for the back end of the bullpen, and 241 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 2: if you were able to miraclely somehow get Suarez as well, 242 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: you'd have as good a chance not only win the division, 243 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: you'd have a good chance to win the World Series 244 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: two with the pitching they have, And they're going to 245 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: get Bryce Miller back soon, so they're going to be 246 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: six starting pitchers deep if you include Logan Evans. So 247 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: I think Depoto has grown with the job there. Like 248 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: you know, it takes a long time to learn how 249 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: to do this job right. It really does. And the 250 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: more experience you have, the wiser you get, the less 251 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: mistakes you make. And I think Jerry has turned the 252 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: corner that way. But I totally understand understand where you're 253 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: coming from there, JB. 254 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: So we know a lot of these relievers are going 255 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: to move. Do you feel the same way about the 256 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: impact starters? And when I say impact starter, someone who 257 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: you would trust in a playoff game, right, basically a 258 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: top three guy. Do you think that Sandy al Contra 259 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: actually will be moved McKenzie Gore, Mitch Keller, it sounded 260 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: like over the weekend they were still deliberating about or 261 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, are they asked actually just trying to get 262 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: the right price for him. 263 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question, and my answer is I'm 264 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: not sure. Okay, So what I'm being told by the 265 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: Marlins camp is they are not going to trade al 266 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: Contra for a discounted package. So if somebody wants to 267 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: pay him as if he was the National League Cy 268 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: Young Award winner like he was a few years ago, 269 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: then they will trade him. But if no one's going 270 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: to offer that package, then they're going to keep them. 271 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: And they feel like they have figured out some things 272 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: with him. They think he's gonna have a strong August 273 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: and September, and they would prefer to wait until the 274 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: offseason when teams understand that it costs two hundred million 275 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: to go get a premium starter and then they'll see 276 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: if they can get a better trade package there. So 277 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I don't know if anyone's going to 278 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: step up and pay that kind of price for all Contra. 279 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 2: I mean, i'd ask you guys if you would. I mean, 280 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: certainly his last start looked great, but with his inconsistencies 281 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: all year and coming back from Tommy John, you know, 282 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: sometimes it's the next year that you're better. So I 283 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: would think it's more likely they trade Cabrera than all 284 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: Contra at this point. Now, in terms of McKenzie, Gore 285 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: is kind of a fascinating position. Right, So you have 286 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: an interim GM in Mike de Bartolow and Washington, right, 287 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 2: and that interim tag is huge, rights. It's in bright lights, right, 288 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: with exclamation points all around the interim. So we know 289 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: they're trying to move Mike Soroka and Kyle Finnigan, and 290 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: they probably will, but they're not going to get a 291 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: return that's gonna help the career. Mike the Bartolow, right, 292 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: we're gonna look and say, okay, you got a solid 293 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: mid level prospect for each of them. You know, nice going, 294 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: and that's gonna be it, right, But what if what 295 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: if he gets the huge package from the Cubs on 296 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: Mackenzie Gore. What would that do for his career? If 297 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: he walks into the owner and say, look at the 298 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: package of these four guys that I can get for Gore, 299 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: and this is what we think of these guys and 300 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: how it will impact us going forward, that might allow 301 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 2: him to get rid of that interim in front of 302 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: the GM. Right, and they're going to hire a president 303 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: of baseball operations, but perhaps let's just say they can 304 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: get Eric Neander from Tampa to be the president of 305 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: the Washington Nationals. He could keep to Bartolow in theory, 306 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: as the GM or the owner could make that part 307 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: of the deal. But I think the only way Mike 308 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: de Bartolow probably gets to keep this is make a 309 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: splash at the deadline and show people how good you 310 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: are at what you do, and don't be afraid. The 311 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: Nationals are not going to sign Mackenzie Gore long term. 312 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: He's represented by Scott Bores and ownership is still upset 313 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: about the Patrick Corbyn contract, the Steven Strasburg contract, the fact, 314 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: they're still paying Max Schurz to to pitch for Toronto, 315 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: So I kind of find it fascinating and look forward 316 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: to seeing what happens there. 317 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 3: By the way you asked me the question, I'll give 318 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 3: you the answer, Jim, I would not trade for our contract. 319 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: He's a number one because he hasn't pitched like it. 320 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: And yes, I know he's cheap, but there's no guarantee 321 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 3: he's going to bounce back. So no, I would not. 322 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: But that's just me and I'm not a GM and 323 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 3: I'm not My job's online, So I'm just saying, but 324 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: let's move on to a different team. Let's move to 325 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 3: a different things. Kansas City. Why is Kansas City buying? 326 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: I mean, they're signing Lugo to an extension. Why did 327 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 3: they bring in grit Chick if they're because I just 328 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: don't see them being a team that can even if 329 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: they sneak into the playoffs, can they do damage? 330 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. They're buying because they don't 331 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: have expiring contracts. They were in the playoffs last year. 332 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: You know they're they're hoping to get Cole Reagan's back 333 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: at some point. Noah Cameron's been really good in the rotation. 334 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: If they traded Lugo, they weren't going to get the 335 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: return that was going to be significant. And they quite 336 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: frankly think that even if they don't win this year, 337 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: they can bounce right back next year and be right 338 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: back in it. And they you know, Luca has been 339 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: really effective for them, and he the way he pitches, 340 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: there's no reason to think he can't pitch this way 341 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: for two or three more years. So I thought it 342 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 2: was a really good move to sign him. Now. In 343 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: terms of getting Gritchick and getting Adam Fraser, you know 344 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: they're little moves, but you know, Gritchi can still hit 345 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: left handed pitching Jack Caglion went down with a hamstring. 346 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: You know he can fill in there. He's a major 347 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: league fourth outfielder. Fraser can play different positions. 348 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: You know. 349 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: Look, we all want a team to improve by a 350 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: yard or a foot or an inch, but sometimes a 351 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: centimeter is makes you a little bit better. I think 352 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: they would like to go bigger if they can. I 353 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: think they would love to go get a big, powerful 354 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: left fielder that can impact the middle of the lineup. 355 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: That would be their goal. They'd like to use their 356 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: catching depth in the minor leagues to do that. They 357 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 2: haven't been able to do it. They're going to continue 358 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: to try to do it, but without expiring contracts. And 359 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: the fact that you're building around Bobby Witch Junior and 360 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: mikel Garcia and Jack Caglione and Vinnie Pascantino. Salvador Perez 361 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: is still performing and you still have two top catching 362 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: prospects and Cardiage Jensen and Blake Mitchell coming. I understand 363 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: where they are, you know, as Stevez is controllable, er 364 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: seg is controllable. I think they need to keep adding 365 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 2: and whether it for be this year or the next 366 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: year or the year after. I kind of understand what 367 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: they're trying to do here. 368 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 4: Jamie, I gotta ask. We've talked about pitchers mostly. Some 369 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 4: teams are getting some of the position players. Would you 370 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 4: do because the Mets needa centerfielder Luis Robert Jr. For 371 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 4: Mark Vento. Straight up. 372 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: No, I'd hold on to Mark Vantos. I mean, I 373 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: really like what I saw with Vano's last September and October, 374 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: and I can't get that out of my head. I 375 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 2: think I saw it, and I think we can bring 376 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: that back, you know, Lewis Roberts kind of a polarizing guy. Right. 377 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 2: We all love his tools. He's a plus defender in 378 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 2: center field. He's got power, he's got speed. He hasn't 379 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: hit for a couple of years. He's dealing, he's dealt 380 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 2: with injuries. He's got a groin right now. You know, 381 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 2: I would take a chance on him if it was 382 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: the right spot to take a chance on him. I 383 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: think it's risky, to be honest with you. You know, 384 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: sometimes it doesn't look like he wants to play. You know, 385 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: sometimes I don't know if is he kind of lacks 386 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: a day's goal, not focused because he's been on the 387 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: last place team the last several years, or because there's 388 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: no help around the lineup to help him, so he 389 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: ends up chasing pitches he normally wouldn't chase if there 390 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: was more help around the lineup. Like I look at 391 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 2: Robert and I would say to myself, if I were 392 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: the Phillies, I would take a chance on him because 393 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 2: I think if I could put his locker in between 394 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 2: Schwarber and Harper, I think we'd have a chance of 395 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: maximizing what he's capable of doing. It would be a 396 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: good ballpark for him, putting him in a winning atmosphere 397 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: and see what I can get. But I wouldn't give 398 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: up too much to get him. I think, you know, 399 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 2: if I were to give up a top ten prospect, 400 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 2: probably one that's in the more six to ten range, 401 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: that would probably make sense and then a throw in, 402 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: But that would be about the extent of my interest. 403 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 4: JB. 404 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 3: If the White Sox go out mark Fiento's for Luis 405 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 3: Strobert Jr. Chris Ketch would be doing backflips down Michigan 406 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 3: Avenue tomorrow, trust me. I mean, I was just I 407 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 3: was just in Chicago. Number one question is are we 408 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 3: trading Louise Robert? I'm like, what can they get for him? 409 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 3: Because of what you just said? So if he could 410 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: get straight up, he would be. 411 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: Doing back Oh, I know that's what That's why I 412 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 2: said I wouldn't do Vento's for him. 413 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: Also, right now, JB, you're not picking up the twenty 414 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: mil option unless he picks it up for the last 415 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: couple of months of the season. If you're a GM 416 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: of almost any team right twenty. 417 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 2: Mili, I'm not picking it up. No, no, right, So 418 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: the value and I'm not king that much as I said, 419 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: I'm just not too many questions with him. 420 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: Last one, JB, I want, I'll do it for you. 421 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: This little pat on the back the team. I think 422 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: you've piped more than anyone else this year has just 423 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: give it time. The Texas Rangers have won nine of 424 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: ten games, so here they come. I want to get 425 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: the Texas update. Astro's just got swept by the A's. 426 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: The lead has gotten a little tight for them in 427 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: the Al West. What do you have for us on 428 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: the Rangers and the Astros over the next few days. 429 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's start with the Astros. I talked to 430 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: Dana Brown, the general manager of the Astros, yesterday. He 431 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: was very clear what he was looking for at the deadline. 432 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 2: He wants a left handed hitter, preferably an infielder that 433 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: could play second or third base, but he would take 434 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: a left fielder because they can move all two bay 435 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: back into second base. Some of the names that I'm 436 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: hearing from opposing gms as possible fits include Ryan O'Hearn 437 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 2: of the Orioles, Brandon Lao of the Tampa Bay Rays, 438 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: Ozzy Albi's of the Atlanta Braves. Although my Atlanta sources 439 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 2: tell me that they haven't even talked about. Albe's okay, 440 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 2: So there's that. And then the other thing is he 441 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: wants a game three starter for the playoffs. Those are 442 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: the two goals. They feel great about Valdez and Hunter 443 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: Brown pitching games one and two. They love having a 444 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: bray You and Hater in the back end, and they're 445 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 2: left handed and set up guys. He would love to 446 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: get that game three starter. They are going to get 447 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: Spencer Getti off the IL coming up pretty soon, but 448 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 2: if he can go out there and get an upgrade there, 449 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: that's what he would like to do. And look, they're 450 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 2: gonna have to make moves. I'm amazed that they're still 451 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: in first place with no your Don Alvarez, no Jeremy Pana, 452 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: no esac paratus, Tucker playing in Chicago, Bregman playing in Boston. 453 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: To think that they're there is amazing to me. But 454 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: they're gonna have a hard time staying in first place 455 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: because Seattle got way better getting Nailer and they've got 456 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: all their pitchers healthy now. And the Rangers, as I said, 457 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 2: they were my preseason pick to win the division. Texas 458 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: Rangers had the best TV ERA in the sport. By 459 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 2: half a run. That's how they pitch, and they got 460 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: the grom and evolved. You pitch games one and two. 461 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: I text with Chris Young and Brett Boone over the weekend, 462 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 2: try to get a feel for where they are. Pretty 463 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 2: clear for me what they're trying to do right now. 464 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 2: They want a high end reliever like Claus, who's now 465 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: off the board. That would be the first goal. The 466 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 2: second goal is they really want a right handed hitter 467 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 2: as well. I'll be surprised if see why doesn't get 468 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 2: both of them. 469 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, al Pacino told me her name drop. Okay, 470 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: like you just did No, you gotta do it. 471 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: You gotta do it this time of year. These are 472 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: direct sort of. 473 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: Credibility, and yeah, ac credibility exactly. It's front office sew 474 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: on Sunday. 475 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 3: By the way, Kyle Tucker would be a great left 476 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 3: handed bet. 477 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 4: And he. 478 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: Looked great, and there look great. 479 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 3: They love Smith and and he's like he has been 480 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 3: great for him. 481 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: So I mean, well, now he's. 482 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 3: Hurt, I know, but he was great for He was great. 483 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: And it was a it was a it was a 484 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: good trade for both sides. Jbupplcatulator this week, all right, 485 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: sounds good. 486 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: Thanks guys,