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Speaker 1: Problem solved, But Don Tyler Murray that defender is in

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: break it on. Slammed the ground by foota baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared,

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Speaker 1: and nobody here's Paul Calvic. Okay, I know this is

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Speaker 1: out of the ordinary. I want to make sure that

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Speaker 1: Paul Calvc over there is comfortable with the situation with

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Speaker 1: me talking first here. Uncomfortable. I'm welcoming an outsource it

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Speaker 1: you're comfortable with me talking first because you in all honesty,

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban here, I'm going to come clean and apologize

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Speaker 1: to both of you because and I think Paul knows

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Speaker 1: where this is going. Is it April first? Is what's

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Speaker 1: going on here somewhere? I was so wrong last week

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Speaker 1: about the prom time games. I kept insisting that you

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Speaker 1: guys were off base, that you didn't know what I

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Speaker 1: obviously knew with all these years, And man, was I wrong.

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Speaker 1: You guys hit it on the head. Thank thank you

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Speaker 1: for being honest about bringing it back respect that I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna turn it back to Paul. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, let's not gloss over your apology. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's really drill deep into your apology and maximize. It's

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Speaker 1: not a full hour to talk about it. It's maximize

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Speaker 1: this moment here on Cardinal's underground. I do believe yours

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Speaker 1: truly said four primetime games, So I believe that would

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Speaker 1: be a ding I call that. Now. What was Danny

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Speaker 1: supposedly allegedly wrong about, which you're now apologizing. I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying you both right as well. Yeah, I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: I think I jumped on both your cases that you

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Speaker 1: that there wouldn't be that many primetime games. I'm I

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Speaker 1: um uh better than everybody when I was saying it,

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Speaker 1: and clearly I'm just a stupid idiot. You said it,

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Speaker 1: not us. Well, well, Alams is going to cut that out,

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Speaker 1: isn't he. Yeah, that's my fault. At least you're not

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Speaker 1: the Sun's okay, at least let's say go there. That's

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Speaker 1: decided to try and come up with a dig on Friday,

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Speaker 1: some stuff about Luca which I just didn't want to

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Speaker 1: Game seven? Was it not? That was definitely a Lucas special.

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Speaker 1: the newsroom. Until then, it is absolutely classified information and

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Speaker 1: we'll see about that, Darren. Okay, well, you Darren's just

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Speaker 1: totally ignoring he wonwed his apology. I think he's done.

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Speaker 1: Game seven, You're threw in one basket. Now you're done

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Speaker 1: you're really, you're really testing my dah taking advantage of

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Speaker 1: Do you see where TMZ hit up Larry Fitzgerald. Do

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Speaker 1: I mean, Larry was tweeting out after the schedule how

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Speaker 1: Power rankings of the toughest schedules add the Cardinals number

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Speaker 1: It's a really quirky deal here with every single game

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Speaker 1: So look, there's there better be enough here right out

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Speaker 1: there won't be an end to this season that's meaningful.

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Speaker 1: If you don't get off to a really good start

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Speaker 1: and at least keep yourself viable without DeAndre hopping. Well,

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Speaker 1: in the offseason, all of that that will hopefully make

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Speaker 1: a difference as well. Um, you know, James Conner, all

427
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Speaker 1: these players he was playing with for the first time,

428
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Speaker 1: so hopefully that kind of makes a difference as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, AJ Green said, in that very seat, we

430
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Speaker 1: recorded a segment for The Big Red Rage just last month,

431
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Speaker 1: and you're not as tall as him, and he said barely,

432
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Speaker 1: And he said, easy on the diminutive Americans. You're going

433
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: to owe two people in this in this area another

434
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: apology at this and there was Aj Green and he

435
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: literally said, and we could call it up at some point.

436
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: You could hear it for yourself, but take my word

437
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Speaker 1: for it. When he said I want Kyler to hold

438
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Speaker 1: me accountable that the communication was not always stellar between

439
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: myself and the quarterback, he said, I take ownership of that.

440
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Speaker 1: And you know what, I have no problem with Kyler

441
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Speaker 1: wants to call me out if he wants to hold

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Speaker 1: me accountable and do it in front of the team.

443
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: And I thought that was big for a thirty four

444
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Speaker 1: year old seven time Pro Bowl receiver to say that

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Speaker 1: about a guy who's a decade as junior with only

446
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: a few years in the league, you know, and hopefully

447
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: that's representative of the rest of the roster. And maybe

448
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: once again, maybe that's just a path for Kyler to

449
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: become more of that leader when the guys are amenable

450
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Speaker 1: to having leaderships sometimes forced down their throat, which is

451
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Speaker 1: necessary at times. Yeah, I don't know, it's this is

452
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: such a weird time of the year to talk about

453
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Speaker 1: this because we are in the middle of all this

454
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Speaker 1: voluntary stuff and there's a tremendous amount of players that

455
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: aren't around right now, you know. And it's not just

456
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Speaker 1: the quarterback. There's a lot of veterans who aren't out

457
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Speaker 1: there right now and they don't have to be and

458
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Speaker 1: so and I get it. It's kind of a heavy topic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we could be talking about Zach Ertz and

460
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: his beach blonde hair. We could be talking about that

461
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Speaker 1: at this point in the season. To talk about how

462
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: he almost killed me the other day, Oh, let's talk

463
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: about that. You turn the corner, and so I was.

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Speaker 1: I happened to be walking towards the auditorium through the

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Speaker 1: weight room, coming back from something against the wall, and

466
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Speaker 1: Zach was working with a heavy ball, throwing it down

467
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Speaker 1: to the ground right, and Buddy's buddy Morris, the strength

468
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Speaker 1: and conditioning coaches, looking at me. Ertz has got kind

469
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Speaker 1: of his back to his to me. So as I

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Speaker 1: walk past, he's, you know, I'm gonna come up on

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Speaker 1: his right and pass him on his right, and he's

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Speaker 1: probably I don't know, six seven feet off the wall,

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Speaker 1: and he throws it down just as I'm coming up

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Speaker 1: on him. And apparently the idea was he was going

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Speaker 1: to spike this thirty pound medicine ball and then he

476
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Speaker 1: was going to pick it up immediately and throw it

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Speaker 1: hard against the brick wall which I'm walking past. And

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Speaker 1: he picks it up and he starts to turn. He goes, whoa,

479
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Speaker 1: and he drops it and he goes, I almost killed you, Darren,

480
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Speaker 1: And he would have that would have. I can't. But

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Speaker 1: it's funny because and I didn't get a chance to

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Speaker 1: tell him, though I did thank him for not killing

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Speaker 1: me the next day. I said, I appreciate you not

484
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: killing He's act and he said it was close. I

485
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: have done that walk back in the day, like four

486
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Speaker 1: or five years ago. It was it was media or

487
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Speaker 1: was actually actually actually might have been the same kind

488
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Speaker 1: of day. It was rookie's arriving day, and there was

489
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Speaker 1: rookies working out or something like that, and I was

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Speaker 1: coming the other way that same stretch of brick wall,

491
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Speaker 1: and there was a couple of players talking to each

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Speaker 1: other and one of them happened to be former backup

493
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Speaker 1: quarterback Charles could Off, and he had a much smaller

494
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: medicine ball, but it was still had some hefty and

495
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: they're having this conversation and I had a camera in

496
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Speaker 1: my hand and he went to go throw it going

497
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: left with me coming off his left shoulder, and he

498
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: didn't see me, and he threw it and I just

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Speaker 1: got my body over in time to shield this three

500
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: thousand dollars camera I'm holding, and I still hit the wall.

501
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: I hit the wall pretty hard. I got a little

502
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Speaker 1: of the camera, didn't wreck the camera at all, but

503
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: I got hammered. And he's like, oh you okay, And

504
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, when Zach almost did it the other day,

505
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, how is this happening to me? How

506
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Speaker 1: does this happen twice? I'm envisioning one of those cartoons

507
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Speaker 1: where Darren's embedded in the wall, like you know, there's

508
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: this body imprint in the wall. Or maybe for those

509
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: long time Diamondback fans, remember Randy Johnson hit a double,

510
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: defied the odds and hided double and was rounding first

511
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: completely biffed it and just eight or raw between first

512
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Speaker 1: and second base and went full yard sale right in

513
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: the middle of the infield dirt. And the next day

514
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,719
Speaker 1: everyone showed up for the Diamondbacks game and they had

515
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: a chalk outline Randy six foot eleven body type right

516
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Speaker 1: there as if he was as if he was da

517
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Speaker 1: right in this thing was when Konoff threw it, he

518
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: was closer to the wall, I was kind of I

519
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: was just in a bat like where Zach was. I'm like,

520
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: you're throwing that an awful long way to the wall.

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00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: I don't even want to know what that could have

522
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: done to me, and it would have been embarrassing as hell. Actually,

523
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Speaker 1: one of the first things that said is Buddy, why

524
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: do you say so? I'm thinking, is Buddy to come

525
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: as a nominator in these stories? Maybe it's Buddy, It's

526
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: something I don't know if Buddy was there for He's

527
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: a made man now, he's the NFL Strength Coach of

528
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: the Year. That matter. So you know, he answers to

529
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,239
Speaker 1: nobody's be honest on that one. I tried to give

530
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: him grief about not letting us know ahead of time

531
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: and not letting me write a story, and he's like,

532
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: come on, come on, stop stop stop, no, no, we're

533
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: not doing that. Maybe Buddy's response would be get out

534
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Speaker 1: of my kitchen, Darren. You know that's that's that's what

535
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: you get around here. So I completely drailed things. But

536
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: you know, Danny's right, that was a good call, Danny.

537
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: That was much more entertaining than my soliloquy on leadership.

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00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,239
Speaker 1: So that was actually solid. It really was. So uh,

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00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: I'll just say this though, not to drop this in.

540
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: So this is sort of like a medicine ball to

541
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: the hand here when it comes to podcast, I'm just

542
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: gonna throw this. Then I'm gonna light the fuse on

543
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: this and throw it out. You ready, Danny, I'm ready.

544
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: When I was on NFL dot com, there was a

545
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: video embedded into the Cardinals schedule or Least story or whatever,

546
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: and it had to do with the Cardinals. It was

547
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin and Steve Mariucci and so it's playing, it's

548
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: on auto play and you know, I didn't actually kill

549
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: the audio, and I'm okay, and I'm listening as I'm

550
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: looking at the cardinal schedule, and out of nowhere, Michael

551
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: Irvin says that he sat with Kyler Murray recently in

552
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: Dallas at a MAVs playoff game. And I'm now quoting

553
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin on Kyler. He still says he's not coming

554
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: to camp without his money. That's Michael Irvin after having

555
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: sat next to Kyler at a MAVs playoff game. So

556
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing that out there, like a medicine ball

557
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: that nearly took down Darren. I'll just throw that out

558
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: there and just let that hang for a minute as

559
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: we continue to stay on Kyler watch here as we

560
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: track towards Mini camp, which is involuntary, correct, Darren, So

561
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: that's when this would actually make headline. Yeah, the only

562
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: month from now again, the only time players are required

563
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: to be here in the offseason is for the mandatory

564
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: mini camp. I'm watching that. I appreciate you choking at

565
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: yawn back, but it's still coming, isn't it. It's an

566
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: equal opportunity. But yes, the mandatory mini camp in mid June,

567
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: that's the only thing players have to be here for. Okay,

568
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you guys something, and this might not

569
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: be popular. Oh yeah, um, Obviously, as great as it

570
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: would be to have him here, that statement that you

571
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: read from Michael Larvin doesn't have me shaking in my boots. No,

572
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: because again, obviously you want Kyler here, you want him

573
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: working with the team, with the coaching staff. All of that,

574
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: we know Kyler's working out on his own. I don't

575
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: have any inside scoop, but reading the team leaves this

576
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: team wants Kyler Murray to be their franchise quarterback. Picking

577
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: up his fifth year option, you bring in his best friend,

578
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: You are really focusing on offensive pieces in the draft

579
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: and the moves that you're making in free agency. That

580
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: to me tells me that this team wants Kyler Murray

581
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: to be their quarterback. And that's what we heard general

582
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: manager Steve Kim saying. He had a good point when

583
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: he had his press conference. This was before the draft,

584
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. When you look at these

585
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are looking for that first big contract, it's

586
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: not happening in February, March or April. Teams are getting

587
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: through the draft and the first wave of free agency.

588
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: It's happening in the later parts of the summer. So

589
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: while it's not ideal that Kyler might miss those couple

590
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: of days in June, my mind says, I just really

591
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: want him here by training camp in July. So to me,

592
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: him saying that doesn't really have me super nervous quite yet,

593
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: because it would make sense to get the deal done

594
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: in late June or early July, and he would still

595
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: be here for training camp. Okay, that's good. No, And look,

596
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna over exaggerate the importance of these off

597
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: seas Sason walked through these glorified walkthroughs, I get it.

598
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: Would I love to see him maximizing every opportunity to

599
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: create chemistry of those receivers. Sure, absolutely, because that was

600
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: lacking at times a year ago, and the receivers have

601
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: been you know, I've accounted for that as well. But

602
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: I do think at least over the first six games,

603
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: it is going to look like a different offense. And

604
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: our latest little bit of information, well, bet came from

605
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: the rookie tight end, Trey McBride when he met the

606
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: media and he said, among other things, and he sort

607
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: of ducked it in and it may have gone unnoticed,

608
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: but I certainly noticed it, went back and wrote down

609
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: exactly what he said, and that was that Cliff Kingsbury

610
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: wants to disguise the offense a little bit more when

611
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: talking about adding a tight end in round two. So

612
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: whether Max Williams is coming back anytime sooner or not,

613
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: we have no idea. There could be two tight ends,

614
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: there could be three very viable tight ends. But the

615
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: fact that the tight end has been a point of

616
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: emphasis in this office season to the point where Darren's

617
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: probably got a lot of questions about it in the

618
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: mail bag, some positive, some not so positive. I know

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Speaker 1: I've got on the Twitter side. You know what's the

620
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: deal with the tight ends? Well, here's the deal. They

621
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: want to make the offense a little less predictable. They

622
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: want to disguise it a little bit more. So when

623
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: you all of a sudden, you're running ten personnel out

624
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: there and you have four receivers, guess what that can

625
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: become a tell. And I'm just gonna surmise it can

626
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: become much more of a tell in the second half

627
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: of a season, after you've got six, eight, ten games

628
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: on film, and now defensive coordinators are breaking it down

629
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: and they can really see your tendencies and your formations,

630
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: just like Todd Bowles used to do back in the

631
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: day as a defensive coordinator. Half the time the other

632
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: team would break the huddle and go into a certain formation,

633
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: he would call out their play. And so all of

634
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: a sudden, maybe the Cardinals are realizing, you know what,

635
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: we're going to attach a little more importance to being

636
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: a little less predictable. You got a slight little look

637
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: at that, and behind the scenes in the latest episode

638
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: of Cardinal's Flight Plan, general manager Steve cime In that

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00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: draft drew when they were talking about Trey McBride and

640
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: wanting to get him on the field with Zach Ertz

641
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: for that reason, specifically to help to skies the offense

642
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: and how Cliff Kingsbury can try and get them both

643
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: on the field. There you go, and that's I mean,

644
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: it would make sense, right Darren, Yeah, I mean, if

645
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out, Okay, you got to diagnose

646
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: what happened at the end of last season and the

647
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: end of the season before that, it would make sense

648
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: to me that this is one of their conclusions. If

649
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: they self scouted themselves to start this off season, and

650
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: that's the answer they came up with. Yeah, it makes sense.

651
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things where it's funny.

652
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: We've been talking about this for such a long time,

653
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: and I think, ultimately I do. I agree with all

654
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: the points that both you have made, and I agree

655
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: with you, Paul on the idea that you know, as

656
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: we get deeper into the season, maybe that's where it's

657
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: kind of gone. You know, some of it's going to

658
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: depend on health. You know, one of the questions I

659
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: got this week was people not talking about Max Williams

660
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: for instance, Then you've got Trey McBride. Don't get me wrong,

661
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: but you know, where does that stand? If Max Williams

662
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: is healthy? How much easier is it to do these

663
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: things that you're talking about. How much more difficult is

664
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: it if you don't have Max Williams. How quickly can

665
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: Tray McBride kind of figure out the pro game enough

666
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: that he's a threat enough that it matters that he's

667
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: on the field trying to trick people into whatever you

668
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: might be trying to trick them into, you know what

669
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: I mean. So I think it's all going to be

670
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: a work in progress in a lot of ways, especially

671
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: if McBride has to be a big part of it well.

672
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: And the honest answer is, you can't answer that question.

673
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: You don't know. Any rookie you don't know or Troy

674
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 1: Nicholas came in the second round pick out of Notre Dame.

675
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 1: Dude was six six. Remember the comment was it Jeff

676
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: King the tight end of the time, he looks like

677
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: he swallowed a bear. He was so huge in the

678
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: one on one drills, O line, D line. He was

679
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: standing up Darnell Docket in training camp and you're like,

680
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this kid's a monster. And then he

681
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 1: dealt with injuries and he couldn't stay on the field

682
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: and maybe he didn't have a great mastery of the playbook,

683
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: and you know what, he was prone to the drops

684
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: and so you just never know until the season starts,

685
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: and so that really that question is impossible to answer.

686
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: So we'll see. But you know, Trey McBride can move.

687
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: We saw that in rookie miniicamp, him just running routes

688
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: on area like, okay, the kid moves well. Supposedly stout

689
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: on film when it comes to the point of attack

690
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: and holding blocks and holding his own. We'll see any

691
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: other any other takeaways from rookie Minicamp. When you guys

692
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Speaker 1: were out there watching or listening to some of the

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00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: U I tell you I still think kant Ingram. You

694
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: just look at him move and you look at his

695
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: size and that six round running back out of USC,

696
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: the nineteenth running back drafted. I get it, but I

697
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: still think he's got as good a shot as any

698
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: rookie on this team to contribute immediately because there is

699
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: a definite opening behind James Connor. I was not able

700
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: to physically be out here at Rookie Manicamp. I was

701
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: out of town. However, I was looking at our YouTube

702
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: channel at the miked up from the practice with Trey McBride,

703
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: and I thought it was kind of cool to see

704
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: that he's really leaning into the fact that he is

705
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: essentially the Cardinals not the first round draft pick. Obviously

706
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: he was draft in the second round, but the Cardinals

707
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: didn't have a first round draft pick because of that

708
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: trade for Hollywood Brown. And it seems like McBride is

709
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: really stepping into that role that a lot of first

710
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: round draft picks have of amongst the rookies, you got

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00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: to step in immediately and be that leader and lead

712
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: by example and rally the team. And it seemed like

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00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: from the miked up at least from what I was

714
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: able to see, that he was doing that. He was

715
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: not just haraying the players, but he was you know, hey,

716
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: that's a ball, you got a cat chay, you know, like,

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00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: who could y'all like, I don't know, you got my point? Well,

718
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: you guys get my point. Yeah. Um. It's seems like

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00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: he is stepping into that as the first pick from

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00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: the draft for the Cardinals and really leaning into that

721
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: and trying to fill that leadership role amongst the rookie

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00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: I did I did notice that the couple again among

723
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: the rookies trying to tell people, you know, what they

724
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: should be doing, what they might be missing. I think

725
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: that's I think that's a pretty important thing. Again when

726
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: you start talking about leadership, it's it's it's nice to see.

727
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: And we saw also saw him flight plan again when

728
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: they're drafting people. What comes up again? How many times

729
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: has he been captain again? You know, Steve kind brings

730
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: that up a lot, you know, and they're always those

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00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: rookie moments though too, Like when uh it was it

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00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: was a Cameron Thomas, who was asked by the media,

733
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: have you met any of the veteran players yet, like

734
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: in your position room? And he he sort of paused,

735
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: you don't know what to say, and he finally he

736
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: just had a level with the media guy and say, sir,

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00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: I've been here an hour. I haven't actually met anyone yet.

738
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: So you know, you can still see the tag basically

739
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: on the shirt he's wearing, so you know, there's just

740
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: some of those those moments, and you do love the

741
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: enthusiasm of all these guys, and you love hearing that

742
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: Cameron Thomas and am J Sanders are known for their

743
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: non stop motors. Okay, that's more than half the battle, obviously,

744
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: But are we really and this is just me, are

745
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: we really expecting a guy like Cameron Thomas Thomas who's

746
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: had his hand in the dirt and has played the

747
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: three technique and the five technique and all of a

748
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: sudden he's gonna be dropping into coverage as an outside linebacker.

749
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: He said the transition would be no problem. Paul. Okay,

750
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: there's what he says, and then there's what we'll see

751
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: a training camp in August. I don't I don't think

752
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: it's a given. I don't um, but I mean he's

753
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: a two. See if he's gonna play at two sixty

754
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 1: five and he's gonna be dropping into coverage, well maybe

755
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: you don't have him dropping the coverage, you know, I mean,

756
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: I it's gonna be interesting to see. They definitely have

757
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: a couple of guys in Luketa and Cameron Thomas who

758
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: they drafted and immediately said they're going to be working

759
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: with the outside linebackers. And they are working with the

760
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: outside linebackers, and yet one of them seems a little

761
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: bit more of a tweener in terms of a defensive lineman,

762
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: and Lukatta played more inside linebacker than outside linebacker in

763
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: his college career. But again, Thomas is different with a

764
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: third stringer. I mean, Lookatta, Lookatta. They drafted in the

765
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: seventh round because he was they feel like he was

766
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: just a good player. You draft seventh rounders to be

767
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: good special teamers, be smart, have good guys at the

768
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: end of the end of the roster, and if he

769
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: blossoms into something else, hey great, you know, and my

770
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: j Sanders said he has actual experience doing it, you know,

771
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: a lot of seven on seven through his college career

772
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: and so, and maybe the best thing of anyone was

773
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: when my j Sanders also said that you know he

774
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: does he welcomes the heat that he can't wait. You know,

775
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: he's from Jacksonville, he said. He says, you know, I

776
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: went to Cincinnati. Ab be eighty four degree in Cincinnati

777
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: and people will be complaining, the locals that it's all

778
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: so hot and everything, and I'd have a jacket on.

779
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, this dude suited for Arizona. Then here

780
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: you go, welcome to the ac So that's good. How

781
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: about the story from Christian Matthew by the way, and

782
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: that was do you know I've already cited that with

783
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: the kids. I don't hesitate to borrow stories for Pauly

784
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: Parental Unit and use these as examples for the kids

785
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: because I had a couple want to keep their dreams alive.

786
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: Do a couple of kids in they're in, they're you know,

787
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: they're griping and grousing over having to play ball in

788
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: the heat and stuff. Okay, and play sports. Now that

789
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: it was over one hundred degrees over the weekend, so

790
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: I had to bust a lot of play sports. But

791
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: Paul makes them, you know, well, what else they can

792
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: sit around on their phone all day or on TikTok

793
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: or in the xbox, you know. So okay, old man, exactly.

794
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: I have nothing against TikTok, but when it becomes two hours,

795
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: three hours, seven hours at a clip and there's you know,

796
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: then of course you know we have to do something.

797
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: We should get you on TikTok, you know. And uh,

798
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 1: I've seen enough of TikTok. I'm probably better over here.

799
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: But the story that he was ready to leave or

800
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: at least had a job offer to be a manager

801
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: at Walmart. Yeah, and then his girlfriend and his mother,

802
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: I believe, sat him down and said, look, that's an opportunity.

803
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: It's going to be there, it's going to be there

804
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: in the future. This is the now. This is what

805
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: you have named for now that you're never going to

806
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: have a chance at it again. So that's basically the

807
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: message hitting Zoom out to the young boss and household was, look,

808
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, you can do all that stuff the rest

809
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: of your life, but if you have a chance to

810
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: do something now, you know, take advantage of it. You

811
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: gotta start sprinkling and some more life advice in your articles.

812
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: If Paul's going to use him in his parenting style. Okay, okay,

813
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: speaking of editing things out, edit out that last story

814
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: that didn't go well. You know, there's my apology. I

815
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: apologize for sharing that story over there. The Christian Matthew

816
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, that part, That's what I'm saying,

817
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: is the cool story. That was my mistake trying to

818
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: personalize it. What am I doing holding my way into

819
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: Christian Matthew's story. It was really self serving, and I

820
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: apologize that was idiotic. So it is just something that resonated.

821
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: Let's get back to zach Ertz's beach blonde hair? What

822
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: is the deal with that? What's going on? Danny? Give

823
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: me a thought on the beach blonde hair? Is he

824
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: on TikTok with a beach blonde hair? Zach ch Is

825
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: that why he didn't? I don't know if he's on TikTok.

826
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: If he is, I don't follow him, so don't tell him,

827
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: all right, I don't know. Maybe that's just his summer,

828
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: his summer hairstyle. I really don't know. We might have

829
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: to ask how about it. I think he's done this before. Darren,

830
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: that was hip. Good job. High five Darren with the

831
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: Times No, it's better when you guys are the Bickerson's. Sorry,

832
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't like the high fives. I don't think this

833
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: is the first time zach Ertz has bleached his hair,

834
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: though I believe. I think this is like a thing

835
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: he does. Yea. Has he been going to like San

836
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: Diego on the weekends like every other Arizona? Is he surfing? No,

837
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: it looks it looks like actual bleach, like not from

838
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: the sun. Maybe this is the kind of thing where,

839
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, like when you're a kid and you're in

840
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: school and you can't have like pink hair during the

841
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: school year, so you die her pink in the summer

842
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: because you can get away with it. Maybe he doesn't

843
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: want to have bleach blonde hair during the season, doesn't

844
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: want to keep up with it, so his summertime is

845
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: his hairstyle. It's a Waton display of non compliance. Is

846
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: that what you're saying? He's letting We will have to

847
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: ask him next time we speak with him. That's good,

848
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: all right, Well you know what you need, you need

849
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: like a JJ Watt investigative peace just you know, the

850
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: two of them standing there, like what JJ Watt did

851
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 1: with Kyler Murray, right, we did the butt butt butt butt.

852
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: He needs to go up to zach Ertz with the

853
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: camp with the with the live stream on and just

854
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: go ahead and video what zach Ertz? Go ahead? What's

855
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: the deal with the beach blonde hair? Everyone wants to

856
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: know that that would be a good segment. I know

857
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: we have said this a million times, but as you

858
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: bring him up, it just jj watt. He's here every day,

859
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't be surprised if he's here on the weekends.

860
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm not here on the weekend, so I don't know. Really,

861
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: I square to god, he's here all the time. You

862
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: weren't here for Rookie Minicamp. Are you sure you weren't

863
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: here for Rookie Minicamp on Saturday? There, I was not

864
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 1: here for Rookie Minicamp on Saturday. I worked ahead because

865
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: there was no media availability. So I said, you know what,

866
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go watch a movie with my kids for you. Wow, okay,

867
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: did you have a parental story? They go along with

868
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: the movie. No, no, okay, my kids are adults now.

869
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: But the parenting never ends. The parents probably never does

870
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 1: in but right, let's face that, well, you still picked

871
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: up the tab even though they're adults. Right, I did

872
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: pick up the tab. That's how it works. Okay, Okay,

873
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: that's good. That's good. That never changes. I love it.

874
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: Danny still goes home and like Dad, No, that's not true.

875
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: You know what. Actually, my dad very kindly lends me

876
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: his car because he now works from home. Um, So

877
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: when I'm in town, which I was last weekend, my

878
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: dad lets me drive his car round. So I made

879
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: sure to fill up the gas tank before I gave

880
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: it back to him. Not this last time, but you know,

881
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: but you know what, when they yes or no questions

882
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: when they were up visit me, yes, I did treat

883
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: them to dinner when they visited me about five weeks.

884
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: It is my my I believe this came up in

885
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: our podcast much earlier, that my father is no longer

886
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: with us, because I feel like that was a thing

887
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: between me and Paul at one point. Yeah, that was

888
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: That was the first in a series of apologies. But

889
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: my mother still comes out to dinner with the family.

890
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: And it's it's kind of interesting, how like, which I

891
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: should I'm not saying I shouldn't, but it's like, now

892
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: my my mom is just like one of my kids.

893
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: Like if she's here, that like, I'm of course I'm

894
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: paying for her dinner. You know I'm not at that

895
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: point yet. Sorry, Mom and Dad listening, Danny, you need

896
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: to pay for dinner and let Dad pay for the

897
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: gas because the gas is a lot more than these days, obviously,

898
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: that exactly. And I filled up his tank. And he

899
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: drives a big car, so well, it's Dallas. He's probably

900
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: has a pickup, right he doesn't know you were just profiled.

901
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: You're Texas profile right there. My family drives a pick

902
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: What is he driving? A big Mazda CRX or something.

903
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, a big. It's a lot bigger than

904
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: the one you and I drive. What are you driving? Usual?

905
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: That mine's not red? You know, red cars get pulled

906
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: over the most word over, the word big and the

907
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: word Mazda usually don't go together. But I'll trust you.

908
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: I'll trust you on that one. You know what I lied.

909
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: His is an Accura. That's why. Okay, all right, getting

910
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: back to Christian Matthew and not my story. Um, what

911
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: do you think about the Cardinals right now? At cornerback,

912
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: we saw a defensive lineman sign in Kingsley Keiki. That

913
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: is pronounced correctly. I believe I'm counting, Oh my goodness.

914
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: And so where's Craig Greeley when we need him? And so, uh,

915
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: you know, the front seven I think still could be

916
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: a little bit of help, a little bit. I think

917
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: the front seven, Um, but what about corners. See, I

918
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: feel better about the cornerback room than I do the

919
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: front seven right now, or especially D line D tackle

920
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: in particular. I guess I'm it'll be interesting to me

921
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: if Robert Alford ends up back on this roster at

922
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: some point. Um. You know, I know he's had his

923
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: injury issues, including last year, but he played pretty well

924
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: when he was here, and I wonder if he would

925
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: be a late signing just to kind of throw into

926
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: that room. We don't know any think about Jeff Gladney

927
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: at this point, really, and we don't know. We know

928
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: he's been called a starter by the decision makers, and

929
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: we don't know how much improvement Marco Wilson can make.

930
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think there's a lot of questions there.

931
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: I have questions on the defensive line, I do or

932
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: the front seven is I guess what you said, and

933
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: that's I think that's a fair assessment. I don't, uh,

934
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: you know. Again, going back to the mailbag, somebody said

935
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: he thinks this is going to be historically bad defense.

936
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, what I mean, I don't what, I don't,

937
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't get that. I have a question.

938
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: That's what we're here for. Great as I'm thinking through

939
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: all this, the players that the Cardinals have lost on defense,

940
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 1: because that's that's been our discussion the whole time, essentially

941
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: for months on that. That's the side of the ball,

942
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: the front seven, even talking about cornerbacks. So you're talking

943
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: about Chandler Jones, Jordan Hicks. That's my question is players

944
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: have left that have us feeling so different about this defense. See,

945
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of my point. Like, you're Corey Peters.

946
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: They signed him late, and I love Corey. He's a rotational,

947
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: rotational guy. Chandler Jones obviously, right, um, And then beyond that,

948
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: I understand the Jordan Hicks thing, And that's the unknown

949
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: to me, you and I are gonna butt heads on this,

950
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: that's the unknown. You feel like he played the most

951
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: defensive snaps, he was second on the team and tackles

952
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: and he called your defense and it was very complex

953
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: complicated defense by Vance Joseph, and he was the guy

954
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: who was making the subcalls. Not only you know, getting

955
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: it from the sideline and calling it, but then as

956
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: a team went up to line a scrimmage or was

957
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: going through a cadence, he was checking into different things instantly.

958
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: And so that's the big unknown, Zavian Collins. Are they

959
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: gonna have to go with a more remedial sort of

960
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: defense just because you got a young guy, or maybe

961
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: you have somebody else call it maybe. I mean, I

962
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: feel like if you have to have a guy and

963
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: I love Jordan and I think he played well last year.

964
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: If you have to have a guy in the line

965
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 1: up only because of that and the physical tools aren't

966
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: what you need, I mean, I think you got to

967
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: figure it out well. And I think to some degree

968
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: there was the Sun Reddick issue at inside linebacker in that,

969
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: you know what, you can be the fastest guy in

970
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: the field, but if you take half a step in

971
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: the wrong direction upon the snap of the ball, you're

972
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: never going to be able to make the play. So

973
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: you have to have those instincts to go along with

974
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: the athleticism. And so but you know what, the only

975
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: way you're going to find out if Zavan Collins is

976
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: that guy is for him to play. And I still

977
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: firmly believe, even though no one has said this, you

978
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: had no choice but either trade or release Jordan Hicks

979
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: because if they go out there again in this training camp,

980
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks is going to win the job again. Jordan

981
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: Hicks is going to be to a captain by his peers.

982
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: So you had no chance but to detach him from

983
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: this roster and jettison somewhere else. You have no faith

984
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: saving Collins is gonna be any good. Oh No, I

985
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: didn't say that. I said, well, how do you how

986
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: do you know? How do you know Jordan Hicks beats

987
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: him out again? Then Jordan Hicks is a year older.

988
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: If you don't see for me, I know what you're saying.

989
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you can't make that progress in the

990
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: off season. You can only make it in season in

991
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: regular season games. And he's gonna have to learn on

992
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: the job, is what I'm saying. And so if you're

993
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: gonna play the best eleven from the get go, that

994
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: would have been Jordan Hicks, because how much progress can

995
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: you really make in an off season That that's my point.

996
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: And so you got to ride with him. He's a

997
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: first round pick. He was number sixteen overall. You gotta

998
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: just get him in there and get him the snaps

999
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: and pray that it goes well. But there's no guarantee

1000
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: that he's going to be the answer. And then but

1001
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: you are the Only thing that rattles my confidence is

1002
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: at the end of last year, Darren, is that you

1003
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: had guys like Joe Walker and Tenor of Vallejo getting

1004
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: snaps in front of Zavin Collins. Yeah. I was a

1005
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: little I'll be honest, I was a little surprised about

1006
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: that too. But you also didn't have any guarantee what

1007
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks was going to bring to the table another

1008
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: year older, and that's one of the reasons you looked

1009
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: at Zaven Collins in the draft last year. He's thirty

1010
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: years old. Jordan Hicks, You're right, I mean, and I

1011
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: think I think as smart as he is, he doesn't

1012
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: have the sideline to sideline that you want out of

1013
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: that position. And in coverage, he was a liability too often,

1014
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: especially on running backs. They stopped putting him on tight ends.

1015
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons they went after Xavin Collins

1016
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: was because that inside linebacker in coverage and teams we

1017
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: all know this. They're going to get a running back

1018
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: on your inside linebacker and that's a matchup they're going

1019
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: to look for. And in the year prior man the

1020
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: Cardinals are victimized by that a lot. It's funny because

1021
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: if you look at Pro Football Focus, not that they're

1022
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: the NLB all but like when Zaven Collins was getting

1023
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: some steady defensive snaps early in the year, when they

1024
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: were playing all three of those guys, his grades were

1025
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: pretty decent. Now obviously something happened because Van's Joseph just

1026
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: stopped playing them. Yeah, but I don't know what that

1027
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: is to me To your point about you know the defense, Danny,

1028
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, that is the biggest question. Yes,

1029
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: they still need some help in terms of an edge

1030
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: rush or defensive tackle. Where are they in the cornerback

1031
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: room exactly, But it's that middle linebacker calling the defense,

1032
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: zavn Collins, where I think all the focus is going

1033
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: to be on in training camp, just to see and

1034
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: just get a sense. You can only tell so much

1035
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: going against vanilla offenses and the running vanilla defenses in

1036
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: the preseason games. I'm more curious what other guys are saying,

1037
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: are willing to say or not say about Zavn Collins.

1038
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not disagree with you about the need on

1039
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: defense or specifically cornerbacks. And you're looking at your front

1040
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: seven and the loss of Jordan Hicks and Chandler Jones.

1041
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: My question is just and I'm trying to think through

1042
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: this too, because I agree with you, guys. If the

1043
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: biggest names the Cardinals have lost, we're Jordan Hicks and

1044
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, and you would hope you have JJ Watt

1045
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: healthy for a full season. I'm just kind of curious.

1046
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: I mean, why do we all feel like suddenly this defense,

1047
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, I don't feel like it's in trouble. I

1048
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: think Vance Joseph is pretty good. Now could they be better?

1049
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: Could they add some pieces? Absolutely? And I don't know

1050
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: if they're like exactly I see to me the Chandler

1051
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: Jones thing. Ultimately, that's where it comes down to, all right,

1052
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: what are we looking at? I mean, we all know

1053
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: he exploded on the scene last year. He did have

1054
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: some pressures, but let's face it, there were definitely games

1055
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: where he wasn't as big of any impact as they

1056
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: were hoping he would be. So then you start saying, Okay,

1057
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: what exactly are you trying to replace at this point,

1058
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, and you're not going

1059
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: to be able to tell. You may or may not

1060
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: be able to tell. Because with the Raiders, he's not

1061
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: going to be the number one guy everybody's looking at.

1062
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna be Max Crosby. So he's going to have

1063
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,959
Speaker 1: a little bit more freedom. Yeah, that's a great point.

1064
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: You're right. I mean he might go and you know,

1065
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: get close to twenty sacks this year for the Raiders.

1066
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: May be, and it might be in large part due

1067
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: to the fact that Max Crosby is the primary assignment

1068
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: the other teams are game planning for. That's what you're

1069
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: missing really in Chandler Jones that you can't quantify. And

1070
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: that's why they traded for Chandler Jones. If you rewind

1071
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: six years ago, the Cardinals had a dire need for

1072
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: that pass rusher that other teams offensive coordinators had to

1073
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: account for. That they start the game planning on a

1074
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: Monday and they say, you know what, we got to

1075
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: make sure that fifty five doesn't wreck our game. Plan,

1076
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: and so whether they're devoting extra attention out to that

1077
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: edge or you're always mindful of a Chandler Jones, Well,

1078
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: the Cardinals don't have that Marquis pass rusher now, so

1079
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: what does that mean? What does that? Well offenses attack

1080
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: them differently because of that. That remains to be seen.

1081
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: And I think that's the big question right now. And

1082
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: can they manufacture the pressure? Sure Man's Joseph as a

1083
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: history and a track record of doing it. And you

1084
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: go back two years ago and Chandler Jones went down

1085
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: in Week five and the New York Jets and we

1086
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: were there, Darren, and down goes Chandler. And yeah, they

1087
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: still ended up top five in sacks that year, bought

1088
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: as you have pointed out, they had a son Reddick

1089
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: who had over a dozen sacks that year, and they

1090
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,479
Speaker 1: had Dennis Gardeck with one of the craziest stat lines

1091
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: ever seven sacks and ninety three snaps. But you start wondering, Okay,

1092
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: what And I made this point somebody said, the same

1093
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: person who said they were going to have a historically

1094
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: bad defense said they were going to set a record

1095
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: for a few of sacks in this season. And I

1096
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: brought up the twenty twenty season and losing Chandler Jones. Yes,

1097
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: Son Reddick has turned out that you know, he was

1098
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: somebody that you weren't expecting. But Dennis Gardeck, you know,

1099
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: was it Dennis Gardeck that year? Was it some of

1100
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: the scheming? I mean, I feel like Vance Joseph did

1101
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: an unbelievable job that year making it work. And you know,

1102
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: they brought in Marcus Golden eventually, and again I want

1103
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: to see I think they've addressed it in terms of

1104
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: putting some bodies there. We don't know how that's going

1105
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: to turn out. I'm not automatically saying this thing is over.

1106
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: I just I it just doesn't work that way to me,

1107
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 1: or or going back to what Danny's point watch, which

1108
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: is not that as much as that, Oh they're so

1109
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: great and we're just not seeing it as much as

1110
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: is it really that different from last year? Right? That was?

1111
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: That was my point and they were decent And we've

1112
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 1: said this before, I'm going to say it again. If

1113
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: the offense does not perform like it has to with

1114
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: an elite quarterback, quote unquote, it doesn't matter what you

1115
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: got on defense. It doesn't matter that Melvin Ingram, My

1116
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: guy signed with the Dolphins on a one year, five

1117
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: million dollars deal. It doesn't matter, Darren, is that what

1118
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: you're telling me. I was sad for you when I

1119
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: saw that, Paul, Thank you, Danny. I mean, you know

1120
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: Casey had placed they had unrestricted free agent tender deal

1121
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: on on Ingram. You're thinking, okay, staying cac No, he

1122
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: got one year, five million and he bolted for the Dolphins.

1123
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: And why why does that work? Because the way the

1124
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: rules work and what the what Kansas City did is

1125
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: because they slap that thing on him that he was

1126
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: still counted against the compensatory picks, which the Cardinals have

1127
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: some coming, so they don't want to give it up.

1128
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: The Dolphins don't have any come. They've signed so many

1129
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: free agents, they didn't have any compics coming, so what

1130
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 1: did they care if they lose out? So it would

1131
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: have cost you the contract and the compic. It's probably

1132
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: a compic. And at this point, is he really that

1133
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: much better than whoever you might be thrown out there?

1134
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Well

1135
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: he know is uh, there'll be more Tom Brady come

1136
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: in your way in two Thy twenty three. Courtesy of Netflix.

1137
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: This is unless you guys have anything else. I thought

1138
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: i'd wrap it up with this. There's l I can

1139
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: wrap it up with another apology if you'd like. But

1140
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I mean, you know, Danny, I don't. I

1141
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: don't see her judging to that. I apologize that anybody

1142
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: would compare you to Kay Adams. Very sweet, thank you,

1143
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: very niche. For the listeners who don't work in our office, um,

1144
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, thank you. Feel like there's it would be

1145
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: a compliment. It would be a compliment to be compared

1146
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: to her. I apologize or stand that. I apologize anybody

1147
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: that is comparing you to Q. That's hurtful. That's also niche.

1148
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: What were you going to talk about, Paul? Well, you

1149
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: see Tom Brady as the executive producer for a new

1150
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: series Netflix that's going to be revolving around Roast the Real,

1151
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: a series of upcoming specials called the Greatest Roast of

1152
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: All Time Groat, not goat but g r oat. And

1153
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: these roasts are set to tape next year, twenty twenty three,

1154
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: and so Tom Brady has allowed himself to be the

1155
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: subject of the first roast and to be the one

1156
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: skewered up there. Now he's the executive producers. So if

1157
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: he gets two pointed or two poisonal that I'm assuming

1158
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: that won't make the final edit. We'll see, is that

1159
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: there's a point of a roast. The ground rules and boundaries. Yeah,

1160
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: but some can get really over there. People can get

1161
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: really over their skis with some of these raunchy comedians

1162
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: to get up there, Danny, maybe next week we roast

1163
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: Paul on the podcast. We just make it a roast

1164
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: of Paul. I don't think I could handle getting roasted.

1165
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: I could I didn't even want him talking about the suns.

1166
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: H Brady's quote, by the way, in the press release

1167
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 1: to quote my good friend Marshawn Lynch. I'm just here

1168
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: so I won't get fined. I mean, he's gonna show

1169
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: up and let them go ahead. And the press release,

1170
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: by the way, is already roasting him. It refers to

1171
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: him as a sixth round NFL draft pick. The press

1172
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: release refers to him also as Jessel Bunchen's husband, and

1173
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: then the guy at Netflix. The suit is quoted as

1174
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: saying we can't wait to burn three times. Super Bowl

1175
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: losing quarterback Tom Brady, who only went back to the

1176
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: NFL in order to delay this roast. How they're off

1177
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: to a good start. Does that mean this along with

1178
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: him his contract to go to the booth whenever he retires.

1179
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: Does that mean this is his last year? It's true,

1180
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: that's true. He'd right. His offseason is gonna be mighty

1181
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: busy doing all those appearance. Get your tickets for that

1182
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: Christmas game at State Farm Stadium just in case it

1183
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: could be the last time. That'll be good stuff. There's

1184
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: no doubt that that will be good stuff. By the way,

1185
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you. I just think Tom Brady

1186
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: will be as an analyst in the booth because I'm

1187
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: old enough to remember the guy. I grew up watching

1188
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: Joe Montana make his debut as an analyst, as a

1189
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: highly paid, highly touted NFL analyst, and he was underwhelming,

1190
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: to say the least. I at least, I don't I

1191
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: don't know if he'll be good or not. I at

1192
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: least have a little more faith because I feel like

1193
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 1: in the last year or two he's become so much

1194
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: more personable and likable through social media. And I don't

1195
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: know if that's him or his team, but whatever is

1196
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: being done is working. He's he's kind of changed since

1197
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: he's been in Tampa and that sunshine. He seems a

1198
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: lot more likable on social media. He's changed. I think

1199
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: he just got away from New England and that's why

1200
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: I don't know Joe Montana. But I also don't think

1201
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: he's got this super personality in general. Super Joe wasn't

1202
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: super personality. I think I think Tom Brady's got that

1203
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: personality and it's been locked away for twenty years when

1204
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: he played for the Patriots. And that's why you've seen

1205
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: more in Tampa's because he doesn't give two flips anymore,

1206
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: and and he's allowed to do whatever he says, and

1207
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: you can see it on social media. You can see

1208
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: how we talk. I actually think it's going to be

1209
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: the other way, which is how I think he's got

1210
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: it in him. The question is is how much is

1211
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: he gonna go pat bev on people? You know? I mean,

1212
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: and I don't think he will. But I mean that's

1213
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,959
Speaker 1: like like we talk about fits and people talk about

1214
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: Larry being on TV, and I maybe he would be good,

1215
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: but I just I feel like Larry just has he struggles.

1216
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,439
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, Larry will zing with the best

1217
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, but not on camera, Nope. And I

1218
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: think Tom Brady is totally willing to do it on camera. Now.

1219
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: The question is, is there's a difference between zinging Paul

1220
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: and criticizing somebody's playing. Yeah, and that's that's where it

1221
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: comes down to, Yeah, having fun at someone's expense in

1222
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: a good natured way and you know, joking around that

1223
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and then yeah, holding them accountable, talking,

1224
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: oh that guy's he's just not seeing the field very well,

1225
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: all that stuff. That's that's the hard part. I'll tell

1226
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: you this much though. Here's here's my CALVC Consulting prediction.

1227
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: You're ready, Danny, that tom Brady's entrance into the booth

1228
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: will lead to Peyton Manning being a game analyst because

1229
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: those two have had their long held competition right between

1230
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: each other, and Peyton Manning has been holding out and

1231
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: holding out and resisting doing the weekly game analyst position.

1232
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: And you know what, to his credit because now now

1233
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,919
Speaker 1: that bar has been raised, right the money that Tom

1234
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: Brady got paid, man is gonna want tom Brady money.

1235
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: And I do think Peyton Manning it would be worthy.

1236
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about buying funny and knowing the game,

1237
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: he would crush it in a booth. He would be great.

1238
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: I believe the reason Peyton Manning for a long time

1239
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: did not go into booth was because he didn't want

1240
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: to have to call a game that Eli was playing.

1241
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: I believe I've seen that before. That was kind of

1242
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: what he doesn't want to have to be in a

1243
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: situation where he's having to analyze or you know, anything

1244
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: like that for his brother. But what they were doing

1245
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: the Manning cast was great. So I didn't have guests,

1246
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: so so I don't know two of them. If that's

1247
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: going to be his future or maybe he will find

1248
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 1: his way into booth, I don't know, but he would.

1249
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: I believe he would be great. Bringing this full circle,

1250
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: you guys didn't tell me which of the primetime games

1251
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: you like the most? Is the Christmas game? I think

1252
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: Christmas is going to be a lot of fun. At

1253
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: home against Tom Brady, That'll be fun. But that's my

1254
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: point is the atmosphere Christmas game was. Look, maybe I

1255
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: shouldn't say Christmas game was fun because the Cardinals ended

1256
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: up losing to the Colts, but the atmosphere was great.

1257
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to say that. Mexico City. I'm asking what

1258
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: you're Okay, I'm going to stick with Christmas. There's there's

1259
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: no wrong answer. Danny. Okay, well it feels wrong looking

1260
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: forward to it feels wrong, but I'm gonna say Christmas.

1261
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say the Thursday game because it's

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Speaker 1: a Thursday game, but say Mexico City, Darren. That's that's

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Speaker 1: the way I will say this again, getting back to

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Speaker 1: your point originally, when you're talking about road night games.

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Speaker 1: I love the fact that out of their four primetime games,

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Speaker 1: three of them are at home. I guess technically four

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Speaker 1: of them are at home, but we're still gonna to

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Speaker 1: take a plane trip. That's a triple ding right there.

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Speaker 1: And the Mexico City is really cool. If you can

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Speaker 1: do it, I highly recommend it, honestly. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: a top five road trips. Ever, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: to let me go to Mexico say as a joke, guy,

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Speaker 1: are you banned or something? Are you talking about the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals or Mexico won't let you go. There's there's that

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Speaker 1: double life that Darren leeds, and you might lead to

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Speaker 1: some passport issues. You might not be really have the

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Speaker 1: ability to leave the country. At the moment, Danny, it's

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Speaker 1: we'll save that for the next episode of Cardinals Underground.

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