1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: Piece of the plane in Charlamagne to God here and 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: as we come close to the closing out this year, 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you for tuning it 4 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: into the Black Effect podcast network. There have been so 5 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: many great moments over the past year. Take a listen 6 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: to some of those captivating moments in this special best 7 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: of episode. 8 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: Who told me that I was ready? 9 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: Nobody told me because you know, just looking at it 10 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 3: as in terms of being a man. You know, it's 11 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: about how girls see you. When I was coming up, 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 3: it was nerdy shit. You know, I was nerd whatever 13 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 3: I was. You know, it was a geek like like 14 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: nerdy show, like putting bikes together and putting hooking up, 15 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 3: you know, fixing equipment and shit and playing music, playing 16 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: records and you know, and just chilling and bitches didn't 17 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 3: fuck with me. I was too square. My mixtam came out, 18 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 3: My mixtape came out, and bitch just heard my voice. 19 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 3: They gotta start getting pussy. That's what told me I 20 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 3: was ready. Not no record company, not even Courtney. It 21 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 3: was because I was fucking dju fucking I was getting pussy. 22 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: Motherfucking right, validates you they getting holds. 23 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 3: I was knocking bitches down you did, getting the holds, 24 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 3: getting the whole movie. Unfortunately, as soon as that shit 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: happened in our era, as luck would have it, HIV 26 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: became a thing should hit Playboy magazine. We all read 27 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 3: Playboy magazine was scared. We didn't look at the naggad. 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 3: But it was like, this is good. 29 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: I'm non sexually active and this happens. 30 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 4: I just got some pussy. 31 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: Just that's over. 32 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: So but before that little eighty six to eighty nine motherfucker, Jack. 33 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 5: Told you pussy. 34 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 6: Okay, So I was about to go there with you. 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 6: Here's another question I want to ask you about that 36 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 6: I think is vital to the production side and the 37 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 6: producers out there. You start talking samples, because samples were 38 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 6: managed one way when you first started and then graduated 39 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 6: to a whole different space managed now yeah right, yeah, yeah, 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 6: So you were able to in your early days grab 41 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 6: them samples. 42 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 4: Ship before. 43 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 3: Before they got the legislation right and then we EXI 44 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: all that ship exactly yea, But yeah, it was up 45 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 3: until that point there it was a it was a green, 46 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 3: it was a great area, but samples was the biggest move. 47 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: So I had to sample. 48 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 3: I was, you know, I was finding like rare little 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: blowfly and you know I was one of the first 50 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: people on tonight's The Night God Rest is Sold Johnny 51 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: J would you know knocking the boots? 52 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: But to put Betty right in. 53 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: Your record like this was. You know, these records that 54 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 3: we heard in the people dance to in our face. 55 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: That's what we want to put on our records because 56 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 3: I want people to dance. I want them to think 57 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 3: about you know, the play and you know how hard 58 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 3: it is to get a job in Long Beach and 59 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: competent no fuck that listen to these records. You feel 60 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 3: me like this record made me feel good. I'm gonna 61 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 3: put some shit on the wrap about you niggas because 62 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 3: we all in the same mother fucking situation. I'm just 63 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: gonna talk about what's going on in my neighborhood, niggas. 64 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: I know who am putting it over beats that we 65 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: all used to listen to, Like I got that from 66 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 3: Mixed Master Spade wrapping over Genius A Love, You know 67 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: what I mean? The Profile Records version of Genius A 68 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 3: Love with Doctor Jako, mister Howe who was Andre Herrel 69 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 3: who ended up being one of my label mates. I 70 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 3: ended up signing the profile saw sixty degrees of separation, 71 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: but fuck it's money. 72 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 4: We did that. 73 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: So how did did it come back around? Though? 74 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 7: As far as like where you had to redo the 75 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 7: split on the older songs. 76 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, how did that go? 77 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: The nigga we was rich? Give them what the fuck 78 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: they want to, give them what the fuck they want. 79 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: I'm going to go buy a Porsche, give them what 80 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 3: they want. I'm going to go buy a fucking Porsche 81 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 3: or accurate nssex. 82 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck. I made it. 83 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: I wasn't even supposed to make it out of Compton. 84 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be dead, and here I am buying 85 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: Bentley's and ship and I'll give off. 86 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: Fuck I'm on my soapbox. Suck my dick. 87 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: I'm dope. And if y'all don't like it, fuck you 88 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: take my records back. 89 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: Bitch. See if you get a refine. 90 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 4: Fuck y'all. 91 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: I make it just uncomfortable, just make it really like comfortable. 92 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: No words, no word. 93 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 3: Nobody nobody said ship the kid isn't rare for him tonight. 94 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 2: We're letting you get your ship. 95 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 3: I'm just talking ship. 96 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: It's like, but think about it. 97 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: You you the negative press used to kill me. Like 98 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: I look back at the Source magazine, I'm the first 99 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 3: nigga in l A outside of n w A to 100 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 3: go golden platinum, right outside of CMW and and King T. Right, 101 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: We're all factors at that point, Like you know, successful 102 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 3: guys that got labels, you know, they got the major labels, 103 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 3: and from Compton right off from Compton. Fucking the Source magazine. 104 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 3: Race is dirty ass, low key, backhanded. And I came 105 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: to compliment that interview like Quick is slick with his 106 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: you know, saying talk about the Jerry Curl and all 107 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 3: this shit. So you see all the endu Windo just 108 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: clown to me, It's like, what the fuck's so success? 109 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: It's different if they like you then if they don't. 110 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: But they gotta you know, you know, the media was 111 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: playing a cold game, you know, they was that shit 112 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: was cold. So I stopped doing interviews for a long time. 113 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I see y'all do y'all twist up 114 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 3: what we say, y'all take it out of context. I 115 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 3: had to learn that you gotta control your own narrative, 116 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? So I just stopped doing interviews, 117 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: and I was imploring my homeboys to stop doing them too, Like, man, 118 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 3: don't talk to these people. They turn in with y'all, 119 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: say around, they trying to lessen y'all sales on the 120 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: next record, And what makes you think this record is good? 121 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: Did you rush it? You know? 122 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: It's what the fuck are you talking about? If I 123 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: got m the Prince could put out five albums a 124 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: year and they're all great. His record company was like, no, 125 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 3: we can't market all of them, like slow down. Prince 126 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: is like, if I slow down, I'll die. My vault 127 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 3: is full. What the fuck do you want from me? 128 00:05:58,279 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: You know what? 129 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 2: I wanted him in that deal longer exactly. 130 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: And he ended up coming back to Warner Brothers too. 131 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: It's another story. 132 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 7: But yeah, back when you was an. 133 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: R, Yeah, had been Virginia's dog. 134 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: Because I forgot. 135 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 7: I forgot to mention that when I when I was 136 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 7: my biggest flag, Yeah, yeah, I forgot. I forgot to 137 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 7: mention that when I was the Black Bugs introducing you. 138 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 3: You see your Black Bugs, the Black Bugs, Bunny. You 139 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: had a t n e up there get it man, 140 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 3: yet a lot of credit like let's go. I didn't 141 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: waste their money either, like we did. I did what 142 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: I was supposed to do. 143 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 6: Do you feel like. 144 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 7: For y'all it was more of a reality because you 145 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 7: had a brother who was already doing it. 146 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: Was that always kind of in the back yard. 147 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 4: At all. Yeah, little family fund that drag snoop and 148 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 4: rap man. You need to listen. And we got a 149 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 4: group called two one three check us out. Yeah okay, yeah, yeah, 150 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 4: Like damn, he ain't fucking with us. So he never 151 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 4: was fucking with us. He was cool with us, right, 152 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 4: we're fucking with us like when it's family. Wasn't when 153 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 4: it's family, it's like. 154 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's too it's too close for you to really see. 155 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 4: If it's real or not if yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 156 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: I mean but we kept we kept working for some years. Yeah, 157 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 4: we wasn't. Yeah, well we was older, like seventeen eighteen, 158 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: seventeen eighteen. Around that time, we was, uh, we wasn't 159 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 4: even chiming in with him no more. 160 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: So. 161 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 4: We were just doing our thing in the streets. And 162 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 4: like I said, we formed a group called two one three, 163 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 4: which was our area code for all of California, like 164 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 4: the southern California then. But we was inspired by four 165 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: one five from the Bay Richie Rich, Yeah, Richie Rich. 166 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: Which is crazy because the same thing happened with them. 167 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 7: Where four and five the area coast our area coades 168 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 7: split up in the Bay. Yeah, four and five only 169 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 7: end up being San Francisco. And obviously then five one 170 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 7: oh became Oakland, y'alls became Long Beach. 171 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, three one three one oh was a round. Let 172 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 4: me three one oh. It was before two one three 173 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 4: was it? It was three to one oh, but it 174 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 4: was l A was always known it was all, but 175 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 4: then it switched to two one three, and uh so 176 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 4: we we we took on that that whole, like we 177 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 4: represent for everybody, comped and washed Long Beach, La Carson, 178 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 4: San Burns, wherever the mass circle, and uh we just 179 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 4: started doing demos and just recording them and passing them 180 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 4: out to everybody like we would let people. They hear 181 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: like that ship dope, So we dub it. You know, 182 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 4: you had the double, except we double them boom, give 183 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 4: them a tape, duble, give them a tape. And then 184 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 4: Roger Clayton from Uncle Jam's Army gave us to start 185 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 4: giving us a shot to get down in his club 186 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 4: called the toe Jam. So we kept we used to 187 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 4: go to the toe jam and just have a have 188 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 4: a ball. Just he'd let us get on the mic. 189 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 4: I'd get up there and start d jamming. I'll be 190 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 4: up there like you drink whiskey, I drink wine. Come on, 191 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 4: everybody's gangs to the time. Boom boom, boom boom, snoop 192 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 4: star busting, but wama did it start busting? And uh, 193 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 4: it was it was, it was live. We had so 194 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 4: much fun. Uh, y'all on eighteen years old at this point, Yeah, 195 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 4: seventeen eighteen right and up right around there. And we 196 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 4: just kept just pushing all of them. And Quick inspired 197 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 4: us as well. DJ Quick, So we was trying to 198 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 4: get mixtapes out to push like he was doing. That's 199 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 4: that's why we had a mixtape or a demo called 200 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 4: A Long a Motherfucker. It's pretty much a mixtape. So 201 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 4: we just gave that to everybody. So it started bubbling, 202 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 4: like every everywhere like bubbling, and we just we just 203 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 4: wasn't getting a chance from nobody. So just on a humbug. 204 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 4: I hadn't seen Drey in it like in a while, 205 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 4: like it was a long time, so I hit him up. 206 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 4: You know, I was like cause I used to hang. 207 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 4: I used to kick it with him, you know when 208 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 4: in the n w A days, I'd go hang out 209 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 4: at the studio with him and everything and watching them 210 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 4: work and uh, and I'd be right back to doing 211 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 4: what I'd do back over here. Uh. Or was that 212 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 4: after let me see No, No, that was that was 213 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 4: that was around that time, And so I asked him 214 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 4: one day, you know, I became tight with with uh 215 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 4: with uh l A well, actually I called Dre and 216 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 4: he he was like, hit l A Dre. I'm having 217 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 4: a bachelor party. So I hit l A Dre and 218 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 4: he told me how to get there. I think it 219 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 4: was at the Bonn Event trip. I'm not mistaken. So 220 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 4: I went, me and my homeboy gangster Ride and uh 221 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 4: Kenny Mack. We had all we jumped into r X 222 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 4: seven and I had one person had the ride in 223 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 4: the hatchback. So we mashed up to the uh to 224 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 4: the uh the bachelor party. Uh in the bachelor party 225 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 4: every day playing some dope music, and it kind of 226 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 4: like started getting like like they was running out of music. 227 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: So I told Dre. I told L A Dre, I said, 228 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 4: can I pop this tap? And he was like, go ahead, 229 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 4: some music. Go ahead, so I popped it in and 230 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 4: he played it when he and when he played it, 231 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 4: everybody started dancing and was bobbing and ship. He was like, damn, 232 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 4: this ship is dope. 233 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: Who was this? 234 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 4: And I was like, that's me Snoop and my homeboy 235 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 4: Nake Dog. He was like, damn this ship bang. He said, 236 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 4: have you let Dre hear this? I was like no, 237 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 4: so he called Dre over. It was like, Dre, you 238 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 4: need to listen to this ship. So when he came 239 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 4: over and he uh Drake came up with listened. He's like, 240 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 4: damn that shit hard. He was like, that's y'all. I 241 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 4: was like yeah. I was like I was saying to myself, nigga, 242 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 4: I've been trying to tell you that that were hard 243 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 4: with Vicious, but you don't want to listen. So so 244 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 4: he was like, y'all come to the studio. 245 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: Was immediate. 246 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, y'all come to the studio on Monday. 247 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 4: Actually he said come to the studio on Monday. So 248 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 4: at that time, I was pissed off of Snoop because 249 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 4: he would go work with all these off brands instead 250 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 4: of meet him and Nate work and he'd be doing 251 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 4: shit on his owner. It was pissing me off. So 252 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 4: we was kind of at it at that time. So 253 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 4: I called him anywhere. I was like, Snoop, I just 254 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 4: talked to Dre and he wants to come to the 255 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 4: studio on Monday. He was like, nigga, fuck that shit. 256 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 5: Nigga boom. 257 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 4: He hanged the funnel because he had a Snoop had 258 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 4: a nasty ass attitude back then. He'll make you want 259 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 4: to socking and uh, he'll hang up on you like 260 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 4: this motherfucker. So I called him again and uh he 261 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 4: answered and and uh he was like, uh, nigga. I said. 262 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 4: I said, Snoop, just please just chill. Just let me 263 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 4: call him on the three way. So I called him. 264 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 4: I called Dray on the three way and Dre was 265 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 4: like what's up? I said, Dre, would you tell Snoop 266 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 4: that you want to succumb to the studio on Monday. 267 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 4: He was like, yeah, I want you to come to 268 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 4: the studio on Monday. He was like, who was this? 269 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 4: He he's like this doctor Dre. When he said that, 270 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 4: this doctor Drake, because you know that's it, that's the 271 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 4: he was like, oh ship. He was like Dre. He 272 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 4: was like, oh, ship. He was like, it's like yeah, 273 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 4: like we'll be there. So that Monday, we uh with 274 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 4: my homeboy Rump. We jumped in his his bucket. You 275 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 4: know one of the time where you get to the 276 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 4: light and you got to put it in apartment. 277 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 6: Yeah. 278 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to the light. 279 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 4: We got to the light man. So we did that 280 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 4: all the way to Hollywood. We didn't even get on 281 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 4: the freeway and uh. 282 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: Hell long beach to Hollywood. 283 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, the streets, the streets, it was cool. Easy, it 284 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 4: was easy, routes all the way up. 285 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a hundred, keep it a hundred. 286 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 8: Working with Warren and Harold was like working with like 287 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 8: Beg cousins. Yes, working with the underdogs was like working 288 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 8: with It was more. It felt a little more corporate, 289 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 8: it a little more. 290 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: It was like, ok, it was yeah, you know what 291 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: I'm saying. 292 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 8: I was like, we're still making great music, but it 293 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 8: felt more mechanical. 294 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: But it was still great, you know what I mean. 295 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 8: Shout out to those guys, you know what I'm saying, 296 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 8: and what they've contributed to the passion, the pain and 297 00:14:59,320 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 8: the pleasure of. 298 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 5: R and B. 299 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 300 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 4: But yeah, man, it was that was you know, this 301 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 4: was like artist development for me. 302 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 8: You know, I may work with all those great people 303 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 8: because it's like you, you're. 304 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: Working with the great. 305 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 8: Remember I remember singing Troop records in middle school, you 306 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, And working with Little Steve on 307 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 8: those records was I didn't even know at the time, 308 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 8: like I'm working with little Steve. I didn't learn that 309 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 8: until later two three years later. It was just like 310 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 8: my life. I'm like, this is it's like a great Gaspie. 311 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 8: This is like a fairy tale, but it's so real, 312 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. 313 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 4: It was crazy. 314 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 7: I think from the outside looking in when you first 315 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 7: came into the business, I feel like you put niggas 316 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 7: on notice because there was a gap with especially young artists. Yeah, 317 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 7: singing the way you came out singing, it tripped. It 318 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 7: tripped us out in the industry because by the time, 319 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 7: because you when you crack two thousand and. 320 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 5: Two, two thousand two the first time. 321 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 7: By that point, I'm already established a rider. I'm already 322 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 7: in the game. We're doing what we're doing. Shit, we've 323 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 7: already done that. We already started the underdogs. So we're 324 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 7: seeing everything that's coming through you know what I mean, 325 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 7: because that's the other side of the business, right, Most 326 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 7: artists just look at it like oh yeah, I'm such 327 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 7: and such. But it's like, you know, I just sell 328 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,119 Speaker 7: ten of y'all. 329 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 8: Right, right, like literally that system right, it's like yeah, 330 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 8: y yeah, yea, you good little nigga. 331 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 4: But records. 332 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 7: But but when we saw you, when we saw you, 333 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 7: this is real shit, bro, When we saw you as like, 334 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 7: oh shit, they really signed little niggas that can really sing, man, right, 335 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 7: Like that was that was. 336 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I'm a grown man at this point. 337 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: I'm already you know. I mean, I'm twenty twenty one, 338 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: so I'm like, yo, that little nigga. I was like, Okay, 339 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: I see the other team that we just did them 340 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: little privleged songs on. 341 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 7: He's sanging though, thank you, bro, right, And I think 342 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 7: that was something that I and I'll say shout out 343 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 7: to Clive and shout out J Records for letting you 344 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 7: still be a singer for sure, and then Harald and 345 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 7: Warren finding the space of you making young music that 346 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 7: was classic though. That was right, It was like because 347 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 7: the original that's the thing that happens when you see 348 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 7: the young artists, You're like, fuck, okay, what are they 349 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 7: gonna sing? 350 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 4: Right? 351 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 2: Where are they gonna sing too? I mean, but you 352 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: how does it not be just popcorn? 353 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 4: Right right, right, facts facts? 354 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 8: But it was also though that I was also very 355 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 8: authentic and I had like I had real edge, like 356 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 8: there was and which it was like you didn't have 357 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 8: to make up the soul, you didn't have to make 358 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 8: up the pain, like sometimes it take pain to really 359 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 8: have that. 360 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 4: So you know what I'm saying. 361 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 8: I think that that was what and that is what 362 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 8: makes my voice special when I'm on the right songs 363 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 8: right because I cut a lot of different records, but 364 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 8: the right songs with the right writers and the right 365 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 8: producers like it just there's something that cuts through that's 366 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 8: more authentic. And I feel like that's a import in 367 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 8: for for for labels today to understand like where is 368 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 8: the artist creating from? Where are we creating from with 369 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 8: this artist? How do we When we went back and 370 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 8: did justin Friend and I put that fifty two jersey 371 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 8: on with ray Lewis, it was like a real thing 372 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 8: for me. It was like no, this, I gotta wear 373 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 8: this one where I'm from you know what I'm saying, 374 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 8: I gotta wear this, but it has to be baggy, 375 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 8: and I have to have on baggy pants and I 376 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 8: have to have on air force from you know what 377 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 8: I'm saying. And it was like I wasn't in And 378 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 8: I think that over the time, that's that got lost, 379 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 8: you know, with me being signed, because it was like, okay, 380 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 8: now it turned more manufacturing. 381 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know what I'm saying. 382 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 8: We still made hits, We still but it was like 383 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 8: I start feeling myself not feeling like, Okay, this is 384 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 8: not me no more. It's like it's not now. It's like, Okay, 385 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 8: how do we dress them for this? How do we 386 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 8: It's like damn, Like that got lost over the course 387 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 8: of every album, the next album, because then they started 388 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 8: shifting because. 389 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 7: Coming in as a child star, there's a lot of 390 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 7: questions because a lot of people don't cross that transition. 391 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 7: What they don't cross from from being a boy perfect, right, 392 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 7: Like that is it? 393 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: That is? 394 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 7: That is that's the That's the greatest way to say it. Yeah, 395 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 7: a lot of people get stuck facts. So trying to 396 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 7: figure out, Okay, well, who is this young man? Now 397 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 7: we signed a young boy got a young boy. Yeah, okay, yeah, 398 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 7: you got your bagg of this, and but you don't 399 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 7: live in Baltimore no more either at this point. 400 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: And now it's like, okay, you've been moving. 401 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 8: Back though lead you on my second After my second album, 402 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 8: I moved back, Yeah for sure, but it wasn't he 403 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 8: but it never left me. 404 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 3: Bro Like, I get what you're saying. 405 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 8: You're right, but I think what happened is that there 406 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 8: was a lot of changes in the building and what 407 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 8: it was like after my first album. That's like early 408 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 8: two thousand, so really technically it still feels like it's 409 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 8: late nineties right to. 410 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: A certain degree. 411 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 7: Music they still they still think tank it the nineties. 412 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 4: It's like. 413 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,959 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 414 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 8: It's like, nah, nigga, that's not what's going on right now. 415 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: Beyonce in the video, Yeah, but. 416 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,479 Speaker 4: See nobody knew who she was, didn't really they were. 417 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 4: They was new right right right now. It's a stroke 418 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 4: of brilliance. Yeah, that was a stroke of braids. But 419 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 4: for me, we wanted we wanted somebody for the video. 420 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 4: If you remember back then, people had. 421 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 5: Known people videos. 422 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 4: He's like, who could we get like and that that's 423 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 4: everybody was in somebody else's video, so I wanted somebody knew. 424 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 5: So it's like, Nia long know she's in there. So 425 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 5: we're going through the list. We're like, we got to 426 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 5: figure out something. 427 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 4: And I was in JoJo's office and BT, one of 428 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 4: BT shows was on and the video with wy Cleff 429 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 4: came on. I'm like, who's that, Jake, I don't know, 430 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 4: we'll find out, go get her. And that's how it happened. 431 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 4: So we called called down there. They wanted to hear 432 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 4: the song, played the song and he's like, I bet 433 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 4: she came up her her mom and pops a launch 434 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 4: and Kelly. 435 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 5: Matter of fact, we had a three days shoot. 436 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 4: It was cool to three day shoot, three days shoot, 437 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: three days, three day shoot. 438 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 6: I shot slowly, Yeah, for two and a half. Spent 439 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 6: on the slowly video about seven hundred eight hundred yeah. 440 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 5: Them long how much she spent happily ever after, I 441 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 5: don't even know. I think it was about six something 442 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 5: like that. 443 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 7: You know, it was seven six when I was talking 444 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 7: about six thousands, about seven thousand, six thous talking about tape. 445 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, tape, nothing digital, it's all tape. Yeah, you gotta 446 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 4: pay for the actual tape. 447 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 6: The tape was running. Yeah, we blew up a building 448 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 6: a whole bit. Reason, what do you mean? 449 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 2: I was actually he was slowly, why would you blow up? 450 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: Because I was saying, he wrote slowly, Yeah, we blew 451 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 2: it up. 452 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 5: We used the stunt man from the Matrix. 453 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, the actual stunt men almost cut my finger off 454 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 6: with the wire, the hanging wire when I. 455 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 5: Need my Ninja kick kicked me. 456 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 6: I'm hanging med air balentine in the middle of a warehouse. 457 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 7: I was like, okay, go listen to the lyrics so slowly, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 458 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 7: and didn't think about all. 459 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: The dumb shit fucked up this was going on. 460 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 5: Don't lose her fingers slowly, that's fucked up. Take off 461 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 5: your medication. 462 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 4: That look at my hand, she ain't is gone. 463 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 5: You're gonna join in on this ship. 464 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 7: It's easy, a whole bunch of roses. 465 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, hero. 466 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 4: Right, cool. 467 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: It was part of a real it was part of 468 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: my real. 469 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 5: It don't worked out, though it works out. 470 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 6: And. 471 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 7: Now he wanted to know why I ain't never seen 472 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 7: the royalty. Not for that. No, I'm saying, you know 473 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 7: I'm seeing royalties. 474 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 6: Now, you know. 475 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 5: That's all the matters those days were just wow that 476 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 5: you were like, it was normal, customary. Absolutely if you if. 477 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 7: Your video wasn't at least a quarter million, they didn't 478 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 7: care about you. 479 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 4: Right, And then it got to a point where people 480 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 4: was trying to top each other. 481 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 7: Right once Missy came with the million dollars her and 482 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 7: Buster ryans million dollar videos. 483 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 4: I remember I was on the set for Buster when 484 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 4: he did the video with Janet Yeah, and we was like, 485 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 4: it's like, yo, this video costs. 486 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 5: I think it was like two million and something crazy, 487 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 5: like wow. 488 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 4: Wow dollars, two dollars dollars and I think touch Me 489 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 4: Teach Me video only costs maybe maybe a hundred and 490 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 4: Brett Ratner shot it. Brett Ratner was directed to touch 491 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 4: Me TV. It didn't cost it cost nothing because it 492 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 4: was real simple, right, But yeah, we were spending money 493 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 4: on it. In hindsight that I guess it didn't make 494 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 4: too much sense, but it made so much sense at 495 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 4: the time. 496 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 2: But then this was part of making the star. 497 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is part of it. 498 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 7: It's like we're making movie stars entertain it's necessary. 499 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 5: Video move the needle. Yes thanks to Michael Jackson. 500 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you had a fire video that could change 501 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 6: the complexion of your song at radio and all. 502 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 4: Of that, and just in general just for the consumer, 503 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 4: because there isn't plenty of times I saw I heard 504 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 4: a song and I was like, you see the video, 505 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 4: Like now, wait a minute, this is kind of you 506 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 4: know what I'm. 507 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 5: Saying that and that happened. That happened sometimes, So how. 508 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 7: Was it being signed to a rap label? 509 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, as an R and B R because yeah, you can. 510 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 7: Say, okay, yeah, they was talking about the R and 511 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 7: B d and makes it, but you're still an R 512 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 7: and B singer at the end of the day. 513 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: And this is historically very much so. 514 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 5: It was. It was. 515 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 4: It has some trying times because the sensibilities between hip 516 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 4: hop and especially a hardcore hip hop label and R 517 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 4: and B. Sometime they didn't get it and sometimes you 518 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 4: can't really explain it to them. Other times they would 519 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 4: listen to the people that they had in place that 520 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 4: did get it. But there were there were definitely times 521 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 4: when it was stuff that we I think, I feel 522 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 4: like we should have did things that we could have 523 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 4: done that didn't happen because they didn't get it. They 524 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 4: didn't get it, Yeah, and that that's the only downside 525 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 4: to something. 526 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 7: Did you did you find you know, because Tank talks 527 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 7: about this because you kind of have one of those 528 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 7: names too, even though your real name is actually Case, 529 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 7: you have a name. 530 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: That is not. 531 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 5: R And either way it can go. 532 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,239 Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, Like, you don't know if 533 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 7: Case is a rapper, you don't know if are So 534 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 7: did you have that early on too where they were 535 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 7: putting you on these shows, especially because your first record 536 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 7: came with a rapper too, Yeah, where you're like the 537 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 7: only R and B guy and it's you method man, 538 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 7: and you know what I'm saying, Like. 539 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 4: But yeah, because I think we did a lot of 540 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 4: the nutty professor stuff together, so Me, Foxy, jay Z, 541 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 4: State Property, all of all of them dudes, and it 542 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 4: was it was, it was the worst I see. I 543 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 4: remember one time we had a show in at the 544 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 4: Paramount Theater. You might have been there. It was Little 545 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 4: Kim Biggie, somebody else, Me and Aliyah and I'm. 546 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 5: Like, who did this? 547 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 6: I'm like it was probably like this is like ninety 548 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 6: six Nope, okay, I'm like who did this? 549 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 5: Like, I mean it was all rapless, like it might 550 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 5: have been like mob Deep. I'm like, who put me in? 551 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 5: The le on this show, yo. 552 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 4: Like so it was a lot of that, Like we 553 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 4: would do like homecomings like Delaware State and stuff, and 554 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 4: it's all them homecomings. Yeah, we did all them, super 555 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 4: wrapped out, super wrapped out. 556 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: Once again, thank you for tuning into the Black Effect 557 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Seeing you in twenty twenty five for more 558 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: great moments from your favorite podcast.