WEBVTT - Shut Down by an Activist Librarian

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<v Speaker 1>Women in Davis, California, attempting to have a public forum

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<v Speaker 1>about whether boys should be allowed to compete in girls'

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<v Speaker 1>sports shut down by a mad activist librarian. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Because four hours. Simply, this is Armstrong and Getty extra large.

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<v Speaker 2>For better or worse, every dust up now is on film.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody whips out their iPhone. In this case, it's for better.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'd say it's almost always for better, except when

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<v Speaker 1>somebody gets ken boned or something like that. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think exposing the lunacy and the just wrongness of

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<v Speaker 1>some of the radical activists is absolutely valuable.

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<v Speaker 3>So they attempted to have a meeting at the library

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<v Speaker 3>in Davis, California. We're going to talk to a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of the activists involved here in a little bit. They

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<v Speaker 3>basically wanted to discuss the issue of biological men being

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to compete in women's sports.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you just misgendered somebody. You're violating state law.

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<v Speaker 3>And how are we going to deal with that or not?

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<v Speaker 3>And they don't like the idea of it happening, but

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<v Speaker 3>so they reserve the room. Theyre at the library. They're

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<v Speaker 3>going to have the discussion with the library and jumps

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<v Speaker 3>in and tells them they're breaking the state lawn and

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<v Speaker 3>shuts them down. Is how it goes. So we thought

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<v Speaker 3>we'd talked to the people involved themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a couple of guests, Beth born In Alie Snyder,

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<v Speaker 1>who were part of the francas at the Davis, California

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<v Speaker 1>Library over. Well, well, let them explain what was over,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think they could do a good job of

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<v Speaker 1>explaining it. Beth is Davis, mother of two and chair

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<v Speaker 1>of Moms for Liberty Yolo County California chapter, been fighting

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<v Speaker 1>gender ideology in Davis public schools. And Ali Snyder, who

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<v Speaker 1>is a supporter and a member of Standing for Women

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<v Speaker 1>women's rights organization. Beth and Ali, good to be talking

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<v Speaker 1>to you both.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it'd great to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, before we get to the event that got so

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<v Speaker 3>much attention national attention over the weekend at the library,

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<v Speaker 3>you have filed dozens of foyer requests with the local

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<v Speaker 3>public school. I mean usually foyer requests are because you

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<v Speaker 3>feel like the government's hiding something from you. Why'd you

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<v Speaker 3>have to file all these foyas?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I realized there was quite a bit of

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<v Speaker 5>material in the classroom in our school libraries, in our

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<v Speaker 5>school surveys and just interactions between the administrators and teachers

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<v Speaker 5>and principal that I wasn't aware of. And the only

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<v Speaker 5>way I.

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<v Speaker 4>Could get.

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<v Speaker 5>A clear answer was by submitting a public record request

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<v Speaker 5>or a FOYA.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you just asked, well, I'll ask you, why

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<v Speaker 3>didn't you just ask the teacher, hey, what are you

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<v Speaker 3>teaching in this class? Or the principal or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I found out if you asked that question, they

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<v Speaker 5>send you to the district office in downtown Davis, and

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<v Speaker 5>at the office they'll share a binder with you that

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<v Speaker 5>has some handouts of the class curriculum. But what it

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't share with you is the videos and the slides

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<v Speaker 5>that the kids are actually seeing in the classroom when

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<v Speaker 5>they get to the sexuality and gender identity lessons. So

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<v Speaker 5>I just started to realize that the information's not there.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, would it be accurate to say that the schools

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<v Speaker 1>are actively hiding what they're teaching from parents?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough.

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<v Speaker 3>It lays the groundwork fairly well for the schools in Davis, California,

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of places around the country. So what

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<v Speaker 3>was the event you were trying to have at the

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<v Speaker 3>Library over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 5>The event was a public forum on the CIF California

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<v Speaker 5>Interscholastics Federation policies around including transgender athletes in girls and

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<v Speaker 5>boys sports. But specifically we were looking at the policies

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<v Speaker 5>and guidelines given to girls on what they need to

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<v Speaker 5>do to be inclusive towards these other trans athletes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and you certainly have our permission to use terms

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<v Speaker 1>like biological mail because that's what we're going to use.

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<v Speaker 1>It's worth pointing out that we're talking about biological males

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<v Speaker 1>in girls sports. There are precisely zero biological girls dominating

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<v Speaker 1>men's sports. So having said that, you say it was

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<v Speaker 1>an open forum where you just there to weigh different

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<v Speaker 1>points of view on the topic.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, that's the purpose of the forum and how the

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<v Speaker 5>agenda was laid out was to allow sort of just

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<v Speaker 5>a public conversation and we were first going to hear

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<v Speaker 5>from speakers who are well versed or kind of experts

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<v Speaker 5>and what this means in the sports world.

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<v Speaker 3>So you reserve the room at the library. How many

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<v Speaker 3>people showed up?

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<v Speaker 5>I believe the capacities for the room is ninety four

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<v Speaker 5>and to me it looks like maybe seventy seventy five, and.

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<v Speaker 3>It was mostly people who don't dig the idea of

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<v Speaker 3>biological men competing in women's sports or was there a

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<v Speaker 3>mixture or how would you break down the foreign against crowd?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I would say split. I would say maybe one

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<v Speaker 4>third were tras short for transwrites activists and probably the

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<v Speaker 4>other two thirds were there to listen and participate in

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<v Speaker 4>the conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, at what point does the librarian come in and

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<v Speaker 3>say you're breaking the law and to attempt to kick

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<v Speaker 3>you out? How soon did that happen?

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<v Speaker 4>So that happened about I would say maybe ten minutes

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<v Speaker 4>prior to our event start time. So we were told

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<v Speaker 4>by him that if any of the event organizers were

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<v Speaker 4>to quote unquote misgender that they would be the but

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<v Speaker 4>we would actually be shut down.

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<v Speaker 1>So, if you were to refer to a biological male

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<v Speaker 1>in girl sports, that would be misgendering them, right because

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<v Speaker 1>they say, hey, I'm a girl.

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<v Speaker 4>If we were to refer to a man or a

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<v Speaker 4>boy as a man or a boy competing in girls

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<v Speaker 4>and women's sports, that would be considered misgendering.

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<v Speaker 3>And so he said that was breaking the law, but

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't say he was going to call the police

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<v Speaker 3>or anything. He's just going to shut down your event.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct. He said that California state law recognizes gender identities

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<v Speaker 4>as a protected class. And I believe, although, of course

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<v Speaker 4>I can't speak to what he was thinking, and it

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't articulated very well, but I believe the rationale that

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<v Speaker 4>he was trying to express was that because these are

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<v Speaker 4>considered protected characteristics, if we were not to refer to

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<v Speaker 4>the language of preference, or refer to men and boys

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<v Speaker 4>with their preferred pronouns, then it would be considered an

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<v Speaker 4>act of disrespect. And because the library has a policy

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<v Speaker 4>on respect, that I believe is what he was thinking

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<v Speaker 4>would be the justification to shut us down. Again, I

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<v Speaker 4>can't put words into his mouth. He did say it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's all on video.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, I was going to mention that at what point

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<v Speaker 4>clearly expressed.

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<v Speaker 3>At what point did the phones come out and people

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<v Speaker 3>started recording, Was that like right at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we started recording him when we got about ten

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<v Speaker 4>minutes prior to the event, when he dropped this on us.

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<v Speaker 4>We recorded so that we could, you know, try to

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<v Speaker 4>understand exactly what was being said. And that was with

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<v Speaker 4>his permission, of course, and Also, though Beth had on

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<v Speaker 4>her phone Kim Jones of Icons, because she was slated

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<v Speaker 4>to be kind of one of our headline speakers because

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<v Speaker 4>she's very well versed in Title nine and the erosion

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<v Speaker 4>of women's rights to fair and safe sports and fair

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<v Speaker 4>and safe single sex faces. So she was going to

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<v Speaker 4>be speaking via zoom and so she wasn't physically present,

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<v Speaker 4>but Beth brought her up on the phone so that

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<v Speaker 4>she could try to speak with the library representative and

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<v Speaker 4>explain to him that this is totally inappropriate, this policy, well.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that any representative of a local government on

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<v Speaker 1>any level would be so wildly misguided as to suggest

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<v Speaker 1>that you can't even discuss this in the abstract because

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<v Speaker 1>that would be misgendering people and disrespectful. You know, as

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<v Speaker 1>I put it on the radio show, he was so

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<v Speaker 1>far from being right. If he had an electric card,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to recharge it twice to get to the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just been.

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<v Speaker 4>Really loved that line, in particular. I love my boys.

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<v Speaker 4>When they were listening to the replay, we all got

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<v Speaker 4>to chuckle as a family over that.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine how somebody becomes that misguided, But go ahead, well, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't believe in the concept of mis gendering because this

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<v Speaker 4>isn't my faith, This isn't an ideology that I, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>ascribe to. So and I have a constitutional right under

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<v Speaker 4>the First Amendment not to participate in somebody else's face

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<v Speaker 4>and the language of their faith, and I don't. To me,

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<v Speaker 4>it is not respectful to participate in somebody else's uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, lie or delusion. I'm just going to be

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<v Speaker 4>very frank and very blunt. That is not respectful. It's

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<v Speaker 4>never respectful to lie to somebody or to affirm a lie.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that's healthy for anyone. So to me,

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<v Speaker 4>when I do not participate in this particular ideology, it's

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<v Speaker 4>actually not an act of disrespect. It's an act of

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<v Speaker 4>being truthful. And it's actually an act of being kind,

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<v Speaker 4>because it is never kind to lie to somebody in distress.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, did the whole topic just seems like the I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>just like a textbook example of the sort of discourse

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<v Speaker 3>you have to have and a functioning democracy in a

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<v Speaker 3>public space. I mean, it just fits in with everything

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<v Speaker 3>that you know we're about. And I realize you're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to keep this, you know, on a high level of discourse,

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<v Speaker 3>so you can so they don't have any like real

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<v Speaker 3>ammunition to tear you down. But the idea of having

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<v Speaker 3>the library, asking the library and where the anatomy section

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<v Speaker 3>is in the library, and like walking over there and

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<v Speaker 3>opening some books that I find quite hilarious, but I

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<v Speaker 3>realized why you wouldn't want to do.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, what's really unfortunate. And one of the things that

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<v Speaker 4>Beth has discovered through her Freedom of Information Act request

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<v Speaker 4>is that the actual biology textbooks that are given to

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<v Speaker 4>our children in the state in public school are being

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<v Speaker 4>rewritten to reflect this ideology and are being divorced from

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<v Speaker 4>actual science. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure the difference between them that.

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<v Speaker 4>Those anatomy books are actually no longer available in the library.

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<v Speaker 4>It's quite possible that, but I haven't researched that.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the piece of audio that we played

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of times was of was it one of

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<v Speaker 1>you arguing or attempting to discuss with a local activist

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<v Speaker 1>outside the library why you were doing what you're doing?

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<v Speaker 1>That was the lady who said, please go away, Please

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<v Speaker 1>go away, You're a biggest please go away.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Who was that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So which one of you was that? Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't one of It wasn't bet or I, but

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<v Speaker 4>it was somebody who came to the event.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, not important, not important. That's leading up to my

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<v Speaker 1>actual question, which is I was struck the number of

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<v Speaker 1>times whether the librarian or the activist lady on the

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<v Speaker 1>sidewalk would refuse to make any argument. Their only argument

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<v Speaker 1>was you're a bigot, and I'm right. You're a bigot,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm right. Was there anybody who was willing to

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<v Speaker 1>engage in an exchange of ideas?

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<v Speaker 4>There might have been people in the audience who are

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<v Speaker 4>willing to engage in an exchange of ideas, but they

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<v Speaker 4>were not allowed to. And that's one of the saddest

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<v Speaker 4>parts of the violation of the First Amendment that we

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<v Speaker 4>you know, that we saw on Sunday was it's not

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<v Speaker 4>just your freedom to speak, but it's your freedom to listen.

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<v Speaker 4>And there were people who came there that I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>and they were respectful, and they came with the intention

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<v Speaker 4>to hear what we had to say, and they weren't

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<v Speaker 4>able to and they certainly, you know, weren't able to

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<v Speaker 4>really participate in that conversation. Uh So, it's quite possible

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<v Speaker 4>that there were people who didn't have their minds made

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<v Speaker 4>up yet about what was going on and just really

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to be there with you know, open minds and curiosity.

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<v Speaker 4>But unfortunately their freedom, their First Amendment rights were also were.

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<v Speaker 3>They Were the police ever actually called or did the

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<v Speaker 3>police ever actually show up?

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<v Speaker 4>I believe I didn't see them, but I believe that

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<v Speaker 4>the police. So after we were escorted from the library,

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<v Speaker 4>we moved to the park right next door, just the

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<v Speaker 4>grassy area that's adjacent, and some of us, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>were able to give our speeches. Kim Jones was not

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<v Speaker 4>able to, of course, because she couldn't zoom in. But uh,

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<v Speaker 4>I believe while I was speaking, so my back was turned,

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<v Speaker 4>someone said that the police did walk by. So I

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<v Speaker 4>believe the police were called and the sheriffs were called

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<v Speaker 4>as well, because the library is the can and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Guess the My next question is, and so did anybody

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<v Speaker 3>attempt to push forward this hole? You broke the state

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<v Speaker 3>law thing? Have you been contacted by cops or lawyers

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<v Speaker 3>or anybody about you have violated the law and need

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<v Speaker 3>to be fined or jail or anything.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, we, to my knowledge, none of us were

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<v Speaker 4>reprimanded or warned in.

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<v Speaker 1>Such a fashion that was, of course you'll warrant. Good lord,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't even dignify that proposition with an answer. Alie

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<v Speaker 1>Snyder and Beth Borne standing up for women's rights, the

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<v Speaker 1>First Amendment and the exchange of ideas. Good lord, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little frightening that it needs those principles need a

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<v Speaker 1>defense at this point, but apparently they do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and keep us updated on how this whole thing

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<v Speaker 3>goes out if there are any new wrinkles. Get ahold

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<v Speaker 3>of us.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much for giving us the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 4>share our story and for your defense of our constitution

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<v Speaker 4>as well. We really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's it's our pleasure, believe me. Thanks good to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you both. You know, Jack, One thing occurred

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<v Speaker 1>to me is the ladies we're talking, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>the principle that compelled speech is every bit as verboten

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<v Speaker 1>as restricted speech by the First Amendment. You cannot force

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<v Speaker 1>somebody to call a man a woman, no matter what

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<v Speaker 1>thinly adjudicated recently enacted cal Osha, you know policy the

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<v Speaker 1>librarian was citing. You can't make somebody say that, forget it.

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<v Speaker 3>So the cops didn't come and arrest them to stay law.

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<v Speaker 1>What a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Extra large