Speaker 1: Women in Davis, California, attempting to have a public forum
Speaker 1: about whether boys should be allowed to compete in girls'
Speaker 1: sports shut down by a mad activist librarian. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to them.
Speaker 2: Because four hours. Simply, this is Armstrong and Getty extra large.
Speaker 2: For better or worse, every dust up now is on film.
Speaker 2: Somebody whips out their iPhone. In this case, it's for better.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'd say it's almost always for better, except when
Speaker 1: somebody gets ken boned or something like that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think exposing the lunacy and the just wrongness of
Speaker 1: some of the radical activists is absolutely valuable.
Speaker 3: So they attempted to have a meeting at the library
Speaker 3: in Davis, California. We're going to talk to a couple
Speaker 3: of the activists involved here in a little bit. They
Speaker 3: basically wanted to discuss the issue of biological men being
Speaker 3: allowed to compete in women's sports.
Speaker 1: Oh, you just misgendered somebody. You're violating state law.
Speaker 3: And how are we going to deal with that or not?
Speaker 3: And they don't like the idea of it happening, but
Speaker 3: so they reserve the room. Theyre at the library. They're
Speaker 3: going to have the discussion with the library and jumps
Speaker 3: in and tells them they're breaking the state lawn and
Speaker 3: shuts them down. Is how it goes. So we thought
Speaker 3: we'd talked to the people involved themselves.
Speaker 1: We have a couple of guests, Beth born In Alie Snyder,
Speaker 1: who were part of the francas at the Davis, California
Speaker 1: Library over. Well, well, let them explain what was over,
Speaker 1: because I think they could do a good job of
Speaker 1: explaining it. Beth is Davis, mother of two and chair
Speaker 1: of Moms for Liberty Yolo County California chapter, been fighting
Speaker 1: gender ideology in Davis public schools. And Ali Snyder, who
Speaker 1: is a supporter and a member of Standing for Women
Speaker 1: women's rights organization. Beth and Ali, good to be talking
Speaker 1: to you both.
Speaker 4: Yes, it'd great to be here.
Speaker 3: Hey, before we get to the event that got so
Speaker 3: much attention national attention over the weekend at the library,
Speaker 3: you have filed dozens of foyer requests with the local
Speaker 3: public school. I mean usually foyer requests are because you
Speaker 3: feel like the government's hiding something from you. Why'd you
Speaker 3: have to file all these foyas?
Speaker 5: You know, I realized there was quite a bit of
Speaker 5: material in the classroom in our school libraries, in our
Speaker 5: school surveys and just interactions between the administrators and teachers
Speaker 5: and principal that I wasn't aware of. And the only
Speaker 5: way I.
Speaker 4: Could get.
Speaker 5: A clear answer was by submitting a public record request
Speaker 5: or a FOYA.
Speaker 3: So if you just asked, well, I'll ask you, why
Speaker 3: didn't you just ask the teacher, hey, what are you
Speaker 3: teaching in this class? Or the principal or whatever.
Speaker 5: Well, I found out if you asked that question, they
Speaker 5: send you to the district office in downtown Davis, and
Speaker 5: at the office they'll share a binder with you that
Speaker 5: has some handouts of the class curriculum. But what it
Speaker 5: doesn't share with you is the videos and the slides
Speaker 5: that the kids are actually seeing in the classroom when
Speaker 5: they get to the sexuality and gender identity lessons. So
Speaker 5: I just started to realize that the information's not there.
Speaker 1: Interesting, would it be accurate to say that the schools
Speaker 1: are actively hiding what they're teaching from parents?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 3: It lays the groundwork fairly well for the schools in Davis, California,
Speaker 3: and a lot of places around the country. So what
Speaker 3: was the event you were trying to have at the
Speaker 3: Library over the weekend.
Speaker 5: The event was a public forum on the CIF California
Speaker 5: Interscholastics Federation policies around including transgender athletes in girls and
Speaker 5: boys sports. But specifically we were looking at the policies
Speaker 5: and guidelines given to girls on what they need to
Speaker 5: do to be inclusive towards these other trans athletes.
Speaker 1: Well, and you certainly have our permission to use terms
Speaker 1: like biological mail because that's what we're going to use.
Speaker 1: It's worth pointing out that we're talking about biological males
Speaker 1: in girls sports. There are precisely zero biological girls dominating
Speaker 1: men's sports. So having said that, you say it was
Speaker 1: an open forum where you just there to weigh different
Speaker 1: points of view on the topic.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's the purpose of the forum and how the
Speaker 5: agenda was laid out was to allow sort of just
Speaker 5: a public conversation and we were first going to hear
Speaker 5: from speakers who are well versed or kind of experts
Speaker 5: and what this means in the sports world.
Speaker 3: So you reserve the room at the library. How many
Speaker 3: people showed up?
Speaker 5: I believe the capacities for the room is ninety four
Speaker 5: and to me it looks like maybe seventy seventy five, and.
Speaker 3: It was mostly people who don't dig the idea of
Speaker 3: biological men competing in women's sports or was there a
Speaker 3: mixture or how would you break down the foreign against crowd?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say split. I would say maybe one
Speaker 4: third were tras short for transwrites activists and probably the
Speaker 4: other two thirds were there to listen and participate in
Speaker 4: the conversation.
Speaker 3: Well, at what point does the librarian come in and
Speaker 3: say you're breaking the law and to attempt to kick
Speaker 3: you out? How soon did that happen?
Speaker 4: So that happened about I would say maybe ten minutes
Speaker 4: prior to our event start time. So we were told
Speaker 4: by him that if any of the event organizers were
Speaker 4: to quote unquote misgender that they would be the but
Speaker 4: we would actually be shut down.
Speaker 1: So, if you were to refer to a biological male
Speaker 1: in girl sports, that would be misgendering them, right because
Speaker 1: they say, hey, I'm a girl.
Speaker 4: If we were to refer to a man or a
Speaker 4: boy as a man or a boy competing in girls
Speaker 4: and women's sports, that would be considered misgendering.
Speaker 3: And so he said that was breaking the law, but
Speaker 3: he didn't say he was going to call the police
Speaker 3: or anything. He's just going to shut down your event.
Speaker 4: Correct. He said that California state law recognizes gender identities
Speaker 4: as a protected class. And I believe, although, of course
Speaker 4: I can't speak to what he was thinking, and it
Speaker 4: wasn't articulated very well, but I believe the rationale that
Speaker 4: he was trying to express was that because these are
Speaker 4: considered protected characteristics, if we were not to refer to
Speaker 4: the language of preference, or refer to men and boys
Speaker 4: with their preferred pronouns, then it would be considered an
Speaker 4: act of disrespect. And because the library has a policy
Speaker 4: on respect, that I believe is what he was thinking
Speaker 4: would be the justification to shut us down. Again, I
Speaker 4: can't put words into his mouth. He did say it.
Speaker 4: It's all on video.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Again, I was going to mention that at what point
Speaker 4: clearly expressed.
Speaker 3: At what point did the phones come out and people
Speaker 3: started recording, Was that like right at the beginning.
Speaker 4: Well, we started recording him when we got about ten
Speaker 4: minutes prior to the event, when he dropped this on us.
Speaker 4: We recorded so that we could, you know, try to
Speaker 4: understand exactly what was being said. And that was with
Speaker 4: his permission, of course, and Also, though Beth had on
Speaker 4: her phone Kim Jones of Icons, because she was slated
Speaker 4: to be kind of one of our headline speakers because
Speaker 4: she's very well versed in Title nine and the erosion
Speaker 4: of women's rights to fair and safe sports and fair
Speaker 4: and safe single sex faces. So she was going to
Speaker 4: be speaking via zoom and so she wasn't physically present,
Speaker 4: but Beth brought her up on the phone so that
Speaker 4: she could try to speak with the library representative and
Speaker 4: explain to him that this is totally inappropriate, this policy, well.
Speaker 1: The idea that any representative of a local government on
Speaker 1: any level would be so wildly misguided as to suggest
Speaker 1: that you can't even discuss this in the abstract because
Speaker 1: that would be misgendering people and disrespectful. You know, as
Speaker 1: I put it on the radio show, he was so
Speaker 1: far from being right. If he had an electric card,
Speaker 1: you have to recharge it twice to get to the truth.
Speaker 2: It's just been.
Speaker 4: Really loved that line, in particular. I love my boys.
Speaker 4: When they were listening to the replay, we all got
Speaker 4: to chuckle as a family over that.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine how somebody becomes that misguided, But go ahead, well, I.
Speaker 4: Don't believe in the concept of mis gendering because this
Speaker 4: isn't my faith, This isn't an ideology that I, you know,
Speaker 4: ascribe to. So and I have a constitutional right under
Speaker 4: the First Amendment not to participate in somebody else's face
Speaker 4: and the language of their faith, and I don't. To me,
Speaker 4: it is not respectful to participate in somebody else's uh,
Speaker 4: you know, lie or delusion. I'm just going to be
Speaker 4: very frank and very blunt. That is not respectful. It's
Speaker 4: never respectful to lie to somebody or to affirm a lie.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's healthy for anyone. So to me,
Speaker 4: when I do not participate in this particular ideology, it's
Speaker 4: actually not an act of disrespect. It's an act of
Speaker 4: being truthful. And it's actually an act of being kind,
Speaker 4: because it is never kind to lie to somebody in distress.
Speaker 3: Well, did the whole topic just seems like the I mean,
Speaker 3: just like a textbook example of the sort of discourse
Speaker 3: you have to have and a functioning democracy in a
Speaker 3: public space. I mean, it just fits in with everything
Speaker 3: that you know we're about. And I realize you're trying
Speaker 3: to keep this, you know, on a high level of discourse,
Speaker 3: so you can so they don't have any like real
Speaker 3: ammunition to tear you down. But the idea of having
Speaker 3: the library, asking the library and where the anatomy section
Speaker 3: is in the library, and like walking over there and
Speaker 3: opening some books that I find quite hilarious, but I
Speaker 3: realized why you wouldn't want to do.
Speaker 4: Well, what's really unfortunate. And one of the things that
Speaker 4: Beth has discovered through her Freedom of Information Act request
Speaker 4: is that the actual biology textbooks that are given to
Speaker 4: our children in the state in public school are being
Speaker 4: rewritten to reflect this ideology and are being divorced from
Speaker 4: actual science. Right.
Speaker 1: Sure the difference between them that.
Speaker 4: Those anatomy books are actually no longer available in the library.
Speaker 4: It's quite possible that, but I haven't researched that.
Speaker 1: So one of the piece of audio that we played
Speaker 1: a couple of times was of was it one of
Speaker 1: you arguing or attempting to discuss with a local activist
Speaker 1: outside the library why you were doing what you're doing?
Speaker 1: That was the lady who said, please go away, Please
Speaker 1: go away, You're a biggest please go away.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who was that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So which one of you was that? Oh?
Speaker 4: It wasn't one of It wasn't bet or I, but
Speaker 4: it was somebody who came to the event.
Speaker 1: Okay, not important, not important. That's leading up to my
Speaker 1: actual question, which is I was struck the number of
Speaker 1: times whether the librarian or the activist lady on the
Speaker 1: sidewalk would refuse to make any argument. Their only argument
Speaker 1: was you're a bigot, and I'm right. You're a bigot,
Speaker 1: and I'm right. Was there anybody who was willing to
Speaker 1: engage in an exchange of ideas?
Speaker 4: There might have been people in the audience who are
Speaker 4: willing to engage in an exchange of ideas, but they
Speaker 4: were not allowed to. And that's one of the saddest
Speaker 4: parts of the violation of the First Amendment that we
Speaker 4: you know, that we saw on Sunday was it's not
Speaker 4: just your freedom to speak, but it's your freedom to listen.
Speaker 4: And there were people who came there that I don't know,
Speaker 4: and they were respectful, and they came with the intention
Speaker 4: to hear what we had to say, and they weren't
Speaker 4: able to and they certainly, you know, weren't able to
Speaker 4: really participate in that conversation. Uh So, it's quite possible
Speaker 4: that there were people who didn't have their minds made
Speaker 4: up yet about what was going on and just really
Speaker 4: wanted to be there with you know, open minds and curiosity.
Speaker 4: But unfortunately their freedom, their First Amendment rights were also were.
Speaker 3: They Were the police ever actually called or did the
Speaker 3: police ever actually show up?
Speaker 4: I believe I didn't see them, but I believe that
Speaker 4: the police. So after we were escorted from the library,
Speaker 4: we moved to the park right next door, just the
Speaker 4: grassy area that's adjacent, and some of us, you know,
Speaker 4: were able to give our speeches. Kim Jones was not
Speaker 4: able to, of course, because she couldn't zoom in. But uh,
Speaker 4: I believe while I was speaking, so my back was turned,
Speaker 4: someone said that the police did walk by. So I
Speaker 4: believe the police were called and the sheriffs were called
Speaker 4: as well, because the library is the can and I.
Speaker 3: Guess the My next question is, and so did anybody
Speaker 3: attempt to push forward this hole? You broke the state
Speaker 3: law thing? Have you been contacted by cops or lawyers
Speaker 3: or anybody about you have violated the law and need
Speaker 3: to be fined or jail or anything.
Speaker 4: I mean, we, to my knowledge, none of us were
Speaker 4: reprimanded or warned in.
Speaker 1: Such a fashion that was, of course you'll warrant. Good lord,
Speaker 1: I won't even dignify that proposition with an answer. Alie
Speaker 1: Snyder and Beth Borne standing up for women's rights, the
Speaker 1: First Amendment and the exchange of ideas. Good lord, it's
Speaker 1: a little frightening that it needs those principles need a
Speaker 1: defense at this point, but apparently they do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and keep us updated on how this whole thing
Speaker 3: goes out if there are any new wrinkles. Get ahold
Speaker 3: of us.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for giving us the opportunity to
Speaker 4: share our story and for your defense of our constitution
Speaker 4: as well. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's our pleasure, believe me. Thanks good to
Speaker 1: talk to you both. You know, Jack, One thing occurred
Speaker 1: to me is the ladies we're talking, and that is
Speaker 1: the principle that compelled speech is every bit as verboten
Speaker 1: as restricted speech by the First Amendment. You cannot force
Speaker 1: somebody to call a man a woman, no matter what
Speaker 1: thinly adjudicated recently enacted cal Osha, you know policy the
Speaker 1: librarian was citing. You can't make somebody say that, forget it.
Speaker 3: So the cops didn't come and arrest them to stay law.
Speaker 1: What a joke.
Speaker 2: Extra large