1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Harrowing details now coming to 2 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: light in the case of a beautiful missing young woman, 3 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: Gretchen Fleming, who seemingly leaves a bar with an older 4 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: man the night of her disappearance. But she was stumbling 5 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: very oddly. Was she slipped a rufie? Did she get GHB? 6 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 7 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation in series M 8 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: one eleven. What happened to this gorgeous young Gretchen Fleming 9 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: leaving a bar with a guy? Has not been seen 10 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: or heard from since. But in the last hours a 11 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: bizarre twist in the search for Gretchen again, I Nancy Grace, 12 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: thanks for being with us. In the last hours, we 13 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: learn that West Virginia officials find suspected human remains just 14 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: two hours from where the brunette beauty was last seen alive. 15 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: Straight up to Crime online dot COM's Jackie Howard, Jackie, 16 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: what can you tell us? West Virginia officials say suspected 17 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: human remains were found approximately two hours from the location 18 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: in Parkersburg where Gretchen Fleming was last seen with an 19 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: unnamed male. The human remains were found in elm Grove, 20 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: Ohio County Sheriff Tom Howard says officials were led to 21 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: the suspected human remains after his office got a call 22 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: from another department regarding a missing person. Those remains were 23 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,559 Speaker 1: taken to a local funeral home for a medical examiner 24 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: to perform an investigation. Twenty seven year old Gretchen Fleming 25 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: last seen in the early morning hours of December four 26 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: at a restaurant Bar My Way in Parkersburg. She left 27 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: with an unknown man seemingly willingly, But who can leave 28 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: willingly if you're under the influence of a date rape drug. 29 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: About two hours outside a Parkersburg where Fleming goes missing, 30 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: suspected human remains were found. It's a little town called 31 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: elm Grove, Ohio County Sheriff Tom Howard, who says officials 32 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: were led to the human remains on Thursday after his 33 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: office gets called from another department regarding a missing person. 34 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: Now that those two cases may not be connected, you 35 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: know what, there's only one way to do this. Let's 36 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: start at the beginning about when Gretchen goes missing. Take 37 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at wc h S. The 38 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: Parkersburg Police Department is asking for your help been finding 39 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: twenty seven year old Gretchen Fleming of Vienna. Detectives say 40 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: she was last seeing the night of December third and fourth, 41 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: but relatives didn't realize she was gone quickly and did 42 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: not report it until this week. Police located her purse 43 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: and phone, amping up concern. Detectives have worked around the 44 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: clock since then to cultivate information, and the public has 45 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: really stepped up in regard to tips, and even if 46 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't from that night, giving us information they thought 47 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: was pertinent, and a combination of that has really expedited 48 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: the investigation to the point we were able to obtain 49 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: some search warrants. Before I ds to you our panel, 50 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: I want to go to a special guest joining us. 51 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: It's Gretchen's father, David Fleming. When did you realize Gretchen 52 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: was gone? Probably that Sunday, ask her. She came up 53 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: missing the following week. She was staying mother's house, and 54 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: she had been you'd go out and stay with friends, 55 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: and you come back every few days and get her 56 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: clothes and get to work. And she was just gone 57 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: a little longer than norm and that's when we started 58 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: looking for I know her so well that if she 59 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: was able to call, she would call me in a 60 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: heartbe she would never at any of the Suffernis. The 61 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: twenty seven year old described as shy and sweet. She'd 62 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: recently been living in Vienna with her grandparents. She couldn't 63 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: get wait, wait to get out of Parkersburg, to get 64 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: to North Carolina and spread her wings to fly, and 65 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: she lived down there for several years and then came 66 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: back to Parkersburg. Okay, guys, you were just hearing our 67 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: friends at wc h S. Let me go to Cheryl 68 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: McCollum joining me, the founder and director of the Coal 69 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, currently in law enforcement. You can find 70 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: her at Coalcase Crimes dot org. Cheryl. That's the way 71 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: millennials are and the next generation as well. They don't 72 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: live under the same rules that we thought we were 73 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: supposed to live under. Like, okay, you graduate from college, 74 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: and then you get a job, and then you get 75 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: an apartment. As soon as you get a down payment, 76 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: you put down a house because that's the best thing 77 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: to do financially. Oh no, no, no, no no. In fact, 78 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: I just read about a knee member I think he said. 79 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: The House of Representative says yeah, I'm gonna head to 80 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: DC and sofa couch surf for a few days, you know, 81 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: and just see how it unfolds. Absolutely, this is not 82 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: unusual to be basically living at grandma's house because of 83 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: the location. And then you stay with this friend girl 84 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: and that friend girl and this one and that, and 85 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: you come back, have dinner, stay a few days, and 86 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: then off you go. It's just it's very nomadic. Let 87 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: me say, absolutely, it's pretty freeing and kind of adventurous. 88 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: This is not unusual. But I think it adds to 89 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: the dilemma Cheryl McCollum, because we can't id okay, this 90 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: is the day she didn't come home to grandma's. See 91 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: what I mean, I can't start my crimeline. Well, here's 92 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: what happens, and we know this. Even though this was 93 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: a usual type of lifestyle for her, there is a 94 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: pattern and she usually has not gone this long and 95 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: she certainly is not, you know, avoiding to be in 96 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: contact with her family. And what's really important here, Nancy, 97 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: and this will go to your timeline. Is that cell phone. 98 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: She's not with it and she's not owner. You're absolutely correct, 99 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: back to David Fleming, this is Gretchen's dad joining us. David, 100 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: I know that your whole family's twisted up so badly 101 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: wanting her to come home. Tell me again, when you 102 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: first realize Gretchen was nowhere you thought she would be. 103 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: That is correct. My mother came over to the house 104 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: that Sunday and said, you know, this is abnormal. It's 105 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: been longer than normal. And I said, well, let's wait 106 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: till monday. You know, the weekend's over. Maybe she'll be 107 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: back Monday. And then she hasn't work, and so that's 108 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: when I started going out, following the trail and looking 109 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: for and I found her person at one of the 110 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: establishments that she was at. My heart just sunk when 111 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: you said that I found her purse. Go ahead, mister Fleming, 112 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: and her purse, I found her debit card and her 113 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: cell phone. Then really triggered me that I knew something 114 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: was wrong. Debit card and cell phone in purse. You 115 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: found it? And where was it? It was at an 116 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: establishment called the front Row, where somebody from the last 117 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: establishment basically returned it back to where where they begin. 118 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: Is that like a restaurant bar? Yeah, mister Fleming. You 119 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: said that the grandma, her grandmother where she was living. Now, 120 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: hold on, was that also in Parkersburg, West Virginia. Yeah, Okay, 121 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: she lives in Parkersburg in Vienna. It's just like they're 122 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: basically the same town. Vienna, Si, the little suburb of Parkersburg. Okay, 123 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: Vienna is in Wood County, West Virginia's situated right there 124 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: on the Ohio River, which is an issue I want 125 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: to go back to you on Joe Scott Morgan situated 126 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: on the Ohio River and at border Parkersburg. Like mister 127 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: Fleming is telling you, it's kind of like all one 128 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: and the same. The population, now, this is what's important 129 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: to in my mind, not only the Ohio River, but 130 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: the population. It's around ten seven hundred and seventy six people, 131 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: about eleven thousand people. That is small compared to like 132 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: a huge metropolis. It's bigger than when I grew where 133 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: I grew up in rural bib County, but it's still 134 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: small compared to other places, and that that touches on 135 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: the way I would approach this investigation. However, it's the 136 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: third largest city by population in the Parkersburg, Vienna Marietta 137 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: metropolitan area. That's what I know, and that population count 138 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: is going to be very, very important. So you said 139 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: on that Sunday, what was the date? The date in 140 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: December of that Sunday, mister Fleming, December eleventh, Okay, that's 141 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: when the grandma comes over and says, hey, Gretchen hasn't 142 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: been home. Now, how many days at that juncture had 143 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: she been not at home? Seven? So can you get 144 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: me the weekday? I've December four, twenty twenty two, So 145 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: the following should have been the previous Sunday. It was 146 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: December third, which would have been that Saturday. Gotcha, I've 147 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: got December four. Thank you for the correction, because every 148 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: day matters. Frankly, December three, Saturday, twenty twenty two. That 149 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: was the last time she was at grandma's. Okay, guys, 150 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 1: you were just hearing our friends at wc h S 151 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: TV now taking us to our friends at wt A 152 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: friends cold. Just days before Christmas, the community united with 153 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: one goal in mind, bringing Gretchen Fleming home. I want 154 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: everybody to look to your left, to look to your right. 155 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: This is what community is. Fleming turns twenty eight. On 156 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, pastor who spoke at the vigil preyed for 157 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: a miracle that she's home for her birthday. God, we're 158 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: just thinking about so many ways and opportunities Father that 159 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: you have shared with us. Miracles do happen. Thank God, 160 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: we are asking for a miracle now. Miracles do happen, 161 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: and that's what I'm praying for in this case, mister Fleming, 162 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: a miracle to bring your daughter home twenty seven. At 163 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: the time she goes missing, she lives with Grandma not 164 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: too far away, and Grandma comes home to the parents 165 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: and says, Gretchen's been gone. She's been gone out a week. 166 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: That's highly, highly unusual. Now, I want you to hear 167 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: what a law enforcement has to say. Take listen our 168 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: friends at w TAP. Parkersburg Police Chief Matthew Board also 169 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: got up to speak. He assured the community that law 170 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: enforcement is working hard on the case. There are so 171 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: many behind the scenes in at the parkers Police Department 172 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: that really just essentially not went home since we found 173 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: out Gretchen wasn't home. Board Enngridge is anyone with any 174 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,599 Speaker 1: information to reach out if you hear anything, if you 175 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: see anything, if you have a recollection, don't hesitate to 176 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: reach out to us because what might seem minor to 177 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: you all might be what we need to help bring 178 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 1: Gretchen home. The latest in the search for Gretchen is 179 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: that West Virginia officials find suspective human remains just two 180 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: hours from where Gretchen was last seen. Straight up to 181 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: Crime Online's Dave Mac, is there any surveillance video at 182 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: the front row or the bar she went to, the 183 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: restaurant she went to afterwards? Yes, I don't know if 184 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: they have video at the front row that hasnt been 185 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: disclosed in what I've seen thus far. You've got it 186 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: from my Way. There is video at my Way. We 187 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: actually do know who she left my Way bar with guys. 188 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: Hold on my Way. My Way is also a restaurant bar. 189 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: They have family karaoke, They have live news that you 190 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: can playpool. They have this Sunday Brunch that people from 191 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: miles around come to the Sunday Brunch with their families. 192 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: Now interesting, Dave Mac, When was she observed at my Way? Now, 193 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: remember her dad is with us, David Fleming. He goes 194 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: and collects her pocketbook. At the first restaurant, she went 195 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: to the front row, which had her cell phone and 196 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: her debit card into in It wasn't that the first 197 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: place she stopped. David. Yes, ma'am, okay, take a listen 198 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: to our friends at w tap. Another employee, Jessica mctee, 199 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: says that Gretchen's purse with her phone and other materials 200 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: was turned into the front row the following morning, and 201 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: it was there for a week until her father, David Fleming, 202 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: picked up the purse on December eleventh. Both employees say 203 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: that it's a difficult thing to see this happen to 204 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: someone they knew from high school and seeing at the 205 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: front row bar and are worried about the person of 206 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: interest she was seen with from the my Way lounge. 207 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: When we hear about something like that's happening, it just 208 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: strikes you right through the soul because you're like, I 209 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: was just with her, or I just talked to her, like, 210 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: how could something like this happen this way? So he 211 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: goes there. How did you know to go there, mister Fleming, 212 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: because it's a popular place in town and younger people, 213 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, hang out there, so I thought to check 214 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: there first. Okay, Well that was smart. I thought maybe 215 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: they called you because they had this pocket book, But 216 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: you went there all on your own. Yes, that's a 217 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: picture of my daughter and asked if anybody had seen her, 218 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: and they said, the matter of fact, you left her. 219 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: Somebody returned her first year Karen Start joining me. We're 220 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: now New York psychologists joining us out of Manhattan today 221 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: to help find Gretchen. You can find her at karen 222 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: Start dot com. That's Karen with a See Karen, did 223 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: you hear what he just said? I mean, we're racing 224 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: through the facts so we can get it out there 225 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: to help find her. But let me just stop for 226 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: a minute. Here's dad and I'm thinking to my dad, 227 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: and you know how I feel about my father out 228 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: in the cold, going from place to place, bar to restaurant, 229 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: to bar to restaurant, the gas station to this to 230 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: that with a picture. This is my girl. Have you 231 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: seen her? Her name is Gretchen. Can you imagine that, 232 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: Karen Star, It's so vivid, Nancy, I have such an 233 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: image and I'm so sorry of him going around and 234 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: saying have you seen my daughter? And how strange? Who 235 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: do you know what? Female would leave the bar and 236 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: allowed let their cell phone be in the bar, there, 237 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: purse be in the bar. Nobody would leave that behind. 238 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: And it makes you wonder what exactly was going on. 239 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: It's not a normal situation. I don't even care if 240 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: someone had a lot to drink. You sort of have 241 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: it attached to you. Let me ask everybody in the studio, guys, 242 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: are you within reach of your cell phone right now? Yes? 243 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: I am and Ellie, we all have our cell phones. 244 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: You know, this cell phone is partly the answer to 245 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: the question that you're searching. Is this Dell Carson? It is, 246 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: guys with me? Is Dell Carson. He's a high profile 247 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: Laurie Rode Jackson. But the real reason we have him on, 248 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: not only for his legal acumen, is his former FBI 249 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: agent for many years and a former officer in Miami 250 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: Day which is a very high crime area. Jump in 251 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: Dell Carson. You know, it's a mountainous territory west. Cell 252 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: phones have aluminated league generators like that. Oh good point. 253 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: Looking at pains and watching her phone go from one 254 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: place to another, see if there's another tandem that goes 255 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: from that same place to another, and then you can 256 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: tell specifically when she left by looking at the duration 257 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: of the phone. This his stays charge to see backwards 258 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: how long it's been alive and whether or not the father. 259 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: When he picked up the phone was still active. So 260 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: and you know, other questions like who brought the pocketbook back? 261 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: Exactly right? Was she in her car? I mean, where's 262 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: her car? Those are important issues, but candidly, there'll be 263 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: transmissions that are limited in range, and all they've got 264 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: to do is correlate those cell phone pains to isolate 265 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: out who the hell was involved with her. Can I 266 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: jump in, Nancy, Yeah, but I want to tell you something, Cheryl. Yes, hold, 267 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: you thought, mister Fleming, this is Gretchen's dad. Was she 268 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: traveling in her car that night? Gretchen doesn't have a car. 269 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: She doesn't ever wanted her driver's license. She's want of 270 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: those people that just doesn't want to drive. She was 271 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: more of a you know, got a ride by, you 272 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: know Fred Well, that also is not unusual for someone 273 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: her age twenty seven, but it reflects an agreeability that 274 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: makes her subject to being manipulated by people. You know, 275 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: I mean, in other words, I don't know about that, 276 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: but I do know she'd have to get a ride 277 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: to wherever she was going. So we don't have a 278 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: car to help us. Let me Martin, that off, Cheryl 279 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: McCollum joining me. Founder director of the Cold Case Research Institute. 280 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: She's also active forensic expert. You can find her and 281 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: a brand new and it's a hit podcast, Zone seven. Okay, 282 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: Cheryl jump in. So she's seen at this bar with 283 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: an older man and there's inconsistent statements that he's already 284 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: made to law enforcement. Well wait a minute, wait a minute, 285 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: wait wait wait, when you say older, you know she's 286 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: just twenty seven, so that can mean arrange. That could 287 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: be anywhere from twenty eight to seventy five. Hold on, 288 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: I'm gonna follow up, mister Fleming, David Fleming. We're talking 289 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: about surveillance video not at the front row where you 290 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: retrieved her pocketbook, but from my Way restaurant and lounge 291 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: sent up to crime online dot Com. A Howard Jackie, 292 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: what mister Fleming? And No, I have not, but I'm 293 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: aware of it. Have you tried to see it? I 294 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: haven't taken detail of what was all on the video? 295 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: What were you told is on the video because what 296 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: we know about may not may not be as let 297 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: me say fully fleshed out, is what you know about? 298 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: What were you told is on the video? I was 299 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: told that she was at the my Way and appeared 300 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: to be pretty intoxicated and uh, talking to an older male. Okay, 301 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: what about this friend? And I'm not saying he's a 302 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: suspect because I don't believe that he is a suspect. 303 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: The I call him a friend boy because he's not 304 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: a boyfriend. He's a friend. That is a guy. Your daughter, 305 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: Gretchen goes to the first place, um the front row 306 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: with the friend, the longtime friend, who is a male. 307 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: Is he with her at my way? She rode with 308 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: him to my way and that's where they got separated. Okay, gotcha. 309 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: So you were told what about the video, mister Fleming 310 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: that basically she appeared to be intoxicated and was talking 311 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: to an order man and ended up believing with him. 312 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: When you say older, what do you mean by older? 313 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: You know, mid fifties? What in the hay as a 314 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: man as mid fifties doing with a twenty seven year 315 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: old girl. Not judging, I'm just trying to figure out 316 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: what this guy is doing there, trying to pick up 317 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: young girls. And Nancy, if I could just jump in, please, 318 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to make this joint. Here's one of the 319 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: statements he made to law enforcement. He told them at 320 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: one point that night early morning, she was in his car, 321 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: So we not only know he was with her, she 322 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: was in his vehicle at some point, and nobody has 323 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: seen her since. I think it's critical I can add 324 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: to that. Now. Okay, we've got the video of Gregging 325 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: leaving with this person, and we don't have it all 326 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: the way to his car. Okay, the video only goes 327 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: a certain part. He was parked in an area that 328 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: wasn't picked up by the video. However, we have his 329 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: own admission that she got into the car with him. 330 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: He then claims, and this is where the quag comes in, 331 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: claims that he just dropped her off at some intersection. Okay, 332 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: that they never went all the way to his house. 333 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: That's why police are looking for anybody in that area, 334 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: because he lives about two miles from my way. They're 335 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: trying to find anybody in that area that has surveillance videos. 336 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: What about the intersection, Dave mac is there a stop 337 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: a red light? Camp? Well, I don't know. I know 338 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: that the police obviously did not believe him in what 339 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: he said, because it makes no sense you're gonna drop 340 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: a girl off that you picked up at a bar 341 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: at an intersection in the middle of the night. That 342 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: makes no sense whatsoever. Okay, now, wait to you and I, 343 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. It may not make sense. But 344 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: what if she said, Hey, I want out of here, 345 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 1: I want an uber let me off right here? I mean, 346 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: we don't know what happened? A Fox Nation exclusive an 347 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: international pop star stripped of human rights? How does that happen? 348 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: Easier than you think? Join us for a deep dive 349 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: into Britney Spears's conservatorship Trapped streaming now on Fox Nation 350 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace And Now another bizarre twist. 351 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: What's the likelihood that human remains are found just two 352 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: hours away from where a woman goes missing? Social media 353 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: was rife with speculation the remains found in a wooded 354 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: area of Elm Grove were, in fact the missing woman 355 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: Gretchen Fleming. Another bizarre twist. We are now being told 356 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: there is quote no evidence at this time connecting human 357 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: remains found in West Virginia to the missing person case 358 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: of Gretchen Fleming. Chief Matthew Board of Parkersburg PD tells 359 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: us now the two cases are not linked. So who 360 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: is the person whose remains were found and where is Gretchen? 361 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: Do you guys take a listen to our cut twelve. 362 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: This is Semantha Cavalia w TAP new tonight. The parkersbur 363 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: Police Department has provided WTP with more details on Gretchen 364 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: Fleming's disappearance. If you have video surveillance, Parkersber Police Chief 365 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: Matthew Board encourages you to look for this car in 366 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: your footage. He says to check footage from late night 367 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: December third through December fifth. If you see the car 368 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: in your footage, contact Detective Zimmer a minute three or 369 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: four four two four ten seventy two. During after hours 370 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: you can call three or four four two four eighty 371 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: four forty four. What kind of car are they looking 372 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: forward to? David Fleming? This is Gretchen's dad, Gretchen Fleming's dad. 373 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: What kind of car are they looking for? Mister Fleming. 374 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: It's a black hatch back. I'm looking for the model 375 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: here caught, Thank you, that's it. What's a black Nissan 376 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: Rogue Sports, Nissan Rogue Sport now, question to the panel. 377 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: I assume that a black Nisan Rogue Sport. That's what 378 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: the described older man was driving that night. Correct, Yeah, Okay. 379 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: Joe Scot Morgan joining me now, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, 380 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. He's got 381 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,719 Speaker 1: a hit podcast, Body Bags, with Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott. 382 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: They're asking the public if you have any footage of 383 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: this black hatchback Nissan Rogue Sport, call this number. We're 384 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: trying to piece the puzzle together. Okay, just gotta jump in. Yeah, 385 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: you begin to think about this this, you know they 386 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: have a Parkersburg has an advantage in this case where 387 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: where all of this went down went down. Now, the 388 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: periphery of Parkersburg is not a densely populated area. However, 389 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: this is a business dining district. It's down toward the river. 390 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: A lot of people go there and hang out. So 391 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: you've got a lot of businesses that are around there. 392 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: People are walking about. I don't know about the cams 393 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: on the camp on the stoplights and all of this 394 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: sort of thing, but businesses alone will have some kind 395 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: of CCTV footage. That's going to be important here when 396 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: you're talking about something like a montage, because she her 397 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: movements can be tracked, and this is something else I 398 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: think it's critical in this case. You know, Mack had 399 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: mentioned something off the air just a little while ago 400 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: about about perhaps some type of agent like a drug 401 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: being placed into her dream. If there is video footage 402 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: at one of these bars, you can actually appreciate this, Nancy, 403 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: the uptake of a drug like that into a system. Okay, 404 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: are you talking about GHB gama hydroxyb rate GHB or 405 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: rehibital either one there they kind of accomplish the same thing. 406 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: They're both classified as date rate drugs. But you know 407 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: the thing about it is both of these drugs and 408 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: people will find this interesting that have ever had surgery. 409 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: They're an aid to anaesthesia. It's like it's like a 410 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: precursor to anesthesia. They put you in this kind of 411 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: dream like state. You can't really remember anything, that sort 412 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: of thing. And to Dale's point earlier, he talked about compliance, 413 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: and that's going to be key here. But if they 414 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: have if they have footage of her having ingested a drink, 415 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: you know they're they're throwing out this thing about her 416 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: being inebriated. Well, you just don't get inebriated suddenly. If 417 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: there's an agent in your dream, like a date great 418 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: drug it's bam. I mean, you see it. The uptake 419 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: is like really quickly, so you could have her with 420 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: a normal gait walking about and then all of a 421 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: sudden she's stumbling. She has to have somebody put their 422 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: hands on her to aid her as she's walking along. 423 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: And that's going to be a big tell with this, 424 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: you know when all of this comes out. Now, back 425 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: to this car, I'm you know they say that they 426 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: question this guy. If they question this guy, I hope 427 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: that they have an eye on this car, that they 428 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: can get their hands on it as soon as possible 429 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: so that they can check this car out and track 430 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: its movements and also anything, I mean anything that might 431 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: be a tie back to this precious girl. I want 432 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: to add something off what you're saying, Joe Scott Morgan, 433 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: And again, mister fleming with me is Gretchen's dad. I'm 434 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: getting information about these stickers that are on the back 435 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: of the Nissan Rogue Sport. They are Darth Vader stickers 436 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: on the back pass singer windows, one on either side, 437 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: and apparently there is a Outer Banks sticker on the 438 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: rear window as well. Okay, Joe Scott Morgan, two words, 439 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: Michelle Parker. Do you remember the People's Court mom who 440 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: goes missing after she goes on People's Court and she 441 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: and her fiance, the father of her twin children, are 442 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: fighting mat an engagement ring. The day that it airs, 443 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: she goes missing, and then her vehicle is found parked 444 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: in a nearby apartment complex across the street from a mall. 445 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: As I recall a big mall and the stickers it 446 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: was for, I think a glow tan. She did, you know, 447 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 1: would go to various homes and part of her business 448 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: was that she would do these glow tans. There was 449 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: a huge sticker on her car which made it highly recognizable. 450 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: They had been very meticulously scraped off the vehicle, so 451 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: somebody knew that that would give away the location of 452 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: her car, and they did not want her car found. 453 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: I think it was a cheap or hummer maybe, so 454 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: jump in, Joe Scott Morgan. When you have these stickers 455 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: on a car like this, it will give you an 456 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: insight into the lives of people. Who they are, what 457 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: they do, what their interests are, where they travel too. 458 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: You know, in this case, you know we've got well, 459 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: obviously Darth Vader maybe into Star Wars and also traveling 460 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: you know outer Banks. Is this an in place that 461 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: this individual goes to regularly to go get away from 462 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: it all? Is that their place? Is that their thing? 463 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: Do they have associates that'd like to go there? So 464 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: it gives you an insight into their life and they're 465 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: traveling to these locations in this particular in this particular vehicle, 466 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: it goes to their style of life and how they live. 467 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: Nancy can jump. Also, it's highly identifiable vehicle with stickers 468 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: on it jump in, jump in share. I'm gonna call 469 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: them Joe Scott's ripe. But there's a flip side of 470 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: that coin and that is it goes to his crimes. 471 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: Meaning this is a four door car. The Darth Vader 472 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: stickers are on the bag like where children sit. Then 473 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: that sticker with the outer Banks looks like those stickers 474 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: that soccer moms put on where they go for the 475 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: girls weekends. This car was non threatening. This isn't like 476 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: he was in a windowless van or a big beat 477 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: up peacup truck. This does not look like a kidnappers car. 478 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: And that's on purpose, guys. This all occurs just before Christmas, 479 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: but according to police, that is not slowing down the 480 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: search for this gorgeous young girl. Gretchen take a listen 481 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: hour cut ten or friends at WTAP sins Scratching was 482 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: reported missing on December twelfth. Chief Board says the department 483 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: has been working around the clock. The investigation has not 484 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: slowed down. There are people dedicated specifically to this case. 485 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: And as I said, the holidays didn't slow that down. 486 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: Christmas even Christmas Day still working, so it is not 487 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,239 Speaker 1: slowed down with time at all of anything. At its 488 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: gaining speed. So far, the department has issued and executed 489 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: several search warrants. WTAP asked if the person of interest 490 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: was a part of those search warrants. Chief Board cannot 491 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: say out this time since it is an active investigation. 492 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: I know it seems at times that we may not 493 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: be forthcoming with information, but there's a reason for that 494 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: and we release what we can. We've just seen in 495 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: the Idaho case where police were actively trailing suspect. I'm 496 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: not releasing the details because the suspect would have been 497 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: known and altered his behavior. We saw the same thing 498 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: in the Delphi double murder of Abbey and Libby. The 499 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: local police held their cards close to the vest because 500 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: if it had gotten out that there was a bullet 501 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: they thought ejected from the gun of the purp lying 502 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: between the two girls' bodies, the moment that would have 503 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: come out, you know, it would have gotten rid of 504 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: that gun in a minute, in a heartbeat. So all 505 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: the evidence is not as not released to the public 506 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: for a reason. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. If you 507 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: know or think you know anything about the disappearance of 508 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: Gretchen Fleming, please call the tip line which is three 509 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: zero four four two four one zero seven two repeat 510 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: three zero four four two four one zero seven two. 511 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: There is a very strong chance we can help bring 512 00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: Gretchen home alive. David Fleming is joining me. This is 513 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: Gretchen's dad. And there have been reports that Gretchen was 514 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: highly intoxicated at the time she was seen exiting the 515 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: bar the my Way Lounge karaoke lounge. If she had 516 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: been given HBO Ruthie, that's exactly how she would appear, 517 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: drunk out of it, much the way I believe Natalie 518 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: Holloway appeared when she left Carlos and Charlie's what can 519 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: you tell me about Gretchen. I really don't have any 520 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: information that you know, I'm just going on here say 521 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: of what was reported, would she have gone out with 522 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: her girlfriends and had a drinking party? Would she have 523 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: done that? Or is it more likely that she was 524 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: slipped something. You know, she probably went out and had 525 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: some drinks, you know, not to say that it could 526 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: have been both. You know, for instance, if somebody saw 527 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: me appear intoxicated, they would my close friends would That's 528 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: entirely wrong because I'm a tito Nancy. But I represented 529 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: a client through a very attractive woman who was at 530 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: a bar and she got raped and she had GHB 531 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: put in her drink. Uh. She was arrested for fighting 532 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: with police when she was dropped off at a fire station, 533 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: and she became hugely intoxicated, just as Joe Joe mentioned, 534 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: and she ultimately got charged. Interestingly, we had her blood 535 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: because they took her blood, and we could not even 536 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: find any substance like that. It is my belief that 537 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: you can't. Some of those chemicals you're not able to 538 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: find even with a blood draw, and Joe, it's metabolized 539 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: very very quickly. The key is, if you have a 540 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: suspect in a case like this, if you dig through 541 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: their home, you dig through their through their car, they 542 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: shouldn't be in poses of this. If they are in 543 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: possession of this, again, it runs kind of parallel to 544 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: the narrative. You want to know if they have it, 545 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: do they have the ability to use it? And also 546 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: if this individual has ever done anything like this before, 547 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: that's going to be a big tale as well. I 548 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: want to talk about the effects of Ruthie or GHB 549 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: SCHERL McCollum. Wouldn't she have acted or appear to be drunk, 550 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: There's no question about it. And here's what would be 551 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: also part of them. Most likely he's gonna like escort 552 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: her out. He's going to be like holding her elbow 553 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: or maybe have his arm around her leading her away. 554 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: And that's why I think this video is going to 555 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: be so critical. This guy has been identified by police. 556 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: We know who the POI is. Take a listen to 557 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: our cut thirteen WTAP. Chief Ford says they believe the 558 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: person of interest took Fleming to their residence. The person 559 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: of interest originally told officials that they gave Fleming a 560 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: ride and she departed at an unknown location. However, chief 561 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: Ford says the story was inconsistent and to know surveillance 562 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: footage led them to believe the person of interest took 563 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: her to their residence. Officials have executed search warrants on 564 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: the person of interest residence, car, electronic devices, and a 565 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: storage building. Chief Ford says law enforcement spoke with a 566 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: person of interest in the beginning of the investigation, but 567 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: they are no longer giving police information. The Parkersburg Police 568 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: Department returned to one of the locations that it first 569 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: searched back on December fifteenth. Parkersburg Police Chief Matt Board 570 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 1: confirmed that the home on the thirteen hundred block of 571 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: Division Street is where the person of interest in the 572 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: Gretchen Fleming case lives. Police are not releasing that person's 573 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: name at this time. I'm learning a lot from what 574 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: I just heard. Number One, everything we were talking about 575 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: regarding gathering surveillance at that intersection where the POI says 576 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: he dropped dra off. Forget that that's null and void, 577 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: because now we know police say they have a dish information. 578 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: I believe it to be CCTV or SIR surveillance video 579 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: some sort that tells them he took her to his place. 580 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: Now right there, Karen Stark, if he took her to 581 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: his place and then she left? Why not just say 582 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: that I brought her home. She wanted to leave, so 583 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: I got her an uber. Why not say that if 584 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: that's what happened. Why lie? If in fact he did lie, Well, Nancy, 585 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 1: let's let's be clear about this. Those just the fact 586 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: that he's no longer cooperating, That speaks volumes about him 587 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: holding information and being concerned. And he would not tell 588 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: the truth if he brought her back, because why would 589 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: he would? That would make him be even more suspect. 590 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: So this is a nefarious character, There's no doubt in 591 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: my mind. Just just hearing that he's refusing to cooperate 592 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: at this point, and it makes you wonder what would 593 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: be the next steps that they would be taking. Well, 594 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: another thing is I believe Karen Start, You're exactly correct, 595 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: they're looking at the next step. Did anyone see that 596 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: particular Nissan rogue after it went to his David Flemy? 597 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: This is gretched his dad as in an apartment or 598 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: a home. It was a real house, a rental home. 599 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,439 Speaker 1: I wonder if they're wanting surveillance or witnesses that saw 600 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: the car after the car left the home. As a 601 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: matter of fact, take a listen to our cut fifteen 602 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: Gina Marini, and they want anyone who lives in that 603 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: area to review their secure home security systems to see 604 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: if this car is in any of the footage from 605 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: early morning hours of December fourth through noon on the fit. 606 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: Let's go over what we can see about the car 607 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: that might help it stand out to you. Now, it's 608 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: a black Nissan Rogue Sport. We don't know the year, 609 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: but it seems to be fairly newar model. From this 610 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: photo of the back there's a Pittsburgh Penguins vanity plate cover. Now, 611 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 1: one distinct thing that might show up on your home footage. 612 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,280 Speaker 1: Both sides of the car have these Darth Vader decals 613 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: on the backseat windows, as you can see in the photos. 614 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: It's above the gas stoor and on the other side 615 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: as well. And one more close up of the car, 616 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: we can see an outer Bank sticker on the left 617 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: side of the rear windshield. Nancy, I gotta jump in, 618 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 1: please please do. I'm gonna go back to that video 619 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: for a second. Whether or not she had her purse 620 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: when she left is key. Second. If she had her purse, 621 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: then her phone is going to paying wherever he took 622 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: her to his residence or elsewhere. The other thing is 623 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: who brought that purse back that phone would still be 624 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 1: paying in. Well, it's my understanding she left the purse 625 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 1: at the bar, the original bar perhaps, and the friend 626 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: boy actually took it back when he couldn't find her 627 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: to the bar where they originally met David Fleming. Do 628 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: we know who handed the purse over to the establishment? Yeah? 629 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: Who wasn't? And I don't want to say name. I 630 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: don't need a name. I just need to know. Was 631 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: it somebody there at the bar that night? Was it 632 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: a waiter or a waitress? Was it the friend guy? 633 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: It was? It was the friend guy that returned the 634 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: first back to the guarden. Aha. Okay, that's telling me 635 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: a lot. What do you make of that, Charyl McCollum Again, 636 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: what I would focus on now is his cell phone 637 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: pings and if they have flock cameras picking up his 638 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 1: car all over town, where did he go after going 639 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: to his home. That's a really good point. If he 640 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: didn't go to the home, and we'll hope we know 641 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: that he did go to the home. The cops have 642 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: already told us that they believe he took her to 643 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: the home and what Charyla was saying is where did 644 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: he go? Immediately after? David Fleming is with me. This 645 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: is Gretchen's dad. David. Has Gretchen ever stayed out of 646 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: touch for this long? No, there is no doubt in 647 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,800 Speaker 1: my mind she has met with foul play. At this 648 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,919 Speaker 1: very moment, she could be being held against her will. 649 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: Straight out to Crime Online's Dave Mack, what can you 650 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: tell us? The search for Gretchen Fleming continues and the 651 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: Parkersburg Police want everyone to know. The reward money for 652 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: information regarding the disappearance of the twenty eight year old 653 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: has been up to sixty five thousand dollars. Police report 654 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: a reward of thirty two five hundred has been offered 655 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: to anyone with substantial information concerning Fleming's physical location. A 656 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: separate reward for the same amount has been offered for 657 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone involved 658 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: in Fleming's disappearance or physically harming the woman. Parkersburg Police 659 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: Chief Matthew Board said Fleming's family attributes the substantial increases 660 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 1: in reward money to business owners who quote care about 661 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: Gretchen and the Parkersburg area and wanted to help, but 662 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: wish to remain anonymous. Une As we go to air now, 663 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: we understand that the human remains found in a wooded 664 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: area on Cemetery Lifeane of all places, have been identified 665 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: as that of missing man Wesley Maddox, missing since October, 666 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: forty one year old Maddox went missing when he was 667 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 1: reportedly walking to the drug store with his dog but 668 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: never returned home. His mom, Jeans, says she is confident 669 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: the body discovered on Cemetery Lane is that of her 670 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: son and she is planning a memorial for him. We 671 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: wait as the evidence unfalse. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing 672 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: off Goodbye Friend,