Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm
Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology
Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, do you
Speaker 1: have a frog in your throat? Well, you should get
Speaker 1: it out of there. Frogs may seem like cute little sweethearts,
Speaker 1: but they can pack a punch when they need to,
Speaker 1: from dangerous booties to headbuts from hell. We're looking at
Speaker 1: these cuties with some devilish secrets. Discover this more as
Speaker 1: we answered the age old question are my eyes up
Speaker 1: here or are they down there? Joining me today to
Speaker 1: learn how not to croak from a stab from a
Speaker 1: frog is host of the Cold Brew Got Me Like podcasts,
Speaker 1: author of The Advice King Anthology, and probably human Chris Crofton. Welcome,
Speaker 1: Hi Katie, Thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for coming
Speaker 1: on back. I think the last time I had you
Speaker 1: on was pre Panino, pre Pennini. Uh, when we were
Speaker 1: we were talking about um alien life forms under the sea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was wondering when I was come back on Creature Feature.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be. And yeah, it was a long
Speaker 1: time ago. I had just done Daily Zeitgeist or something
Speaker 1: and then I met you or something, and yeah, we
Speaker 1: did a show about I didn't remember what we did
Speaker 1: the show about. It was what we do sea creatures, creatures,
Speaker 1: Mariana trench type stuff like those see through octopus exactly.
Speaker 1: Well today we're talking about frogs. Cool. What are your
Speaker 1: what are your attitudes towards frogs. I've always been afraid
Speaker 1: of them if they're big, because growing up my my
Speaker 1: i'man not afraid of them, like I guess, I'm just
Speaker 1: afraid of animals in general. So I like when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, everybody would go to this pond near
Speaker 1: my house and they would catch frogs, you know, bull frogs,
Speaker 1: and they'd like, I just remember the kids that are
Speaker 1: all like you know senators now would like grab the
Speaker 1: bull frogs, you know, and just be like, hey, look
Speaker 1: I have a bull frog and like hold it up,
Speaker 1: you know, and squeeze it. You know. I just you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like they were just like grabbing them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, no problem at all. And
Speaker 1: I was like kind of I would pretend I wanted
Speaker 1: to catch one because I knew that was what I
Speaker 1: was supposed to do because to be you know, a dude,
Speaker 1: so right, you know, to impress the other people, but
Speaker 1: at the last minute would pull my hand away because
Speaker 1: I really didn't. I was just they were so big,
Speaker 1: the bull frogs back then, I don't know, it was
Speaker 1: the seventies. They were very like when I was eight
Speaker 1: or something in nineteen seventy seven. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're still growing them that big, but are pretty big.
Speaker 1: You know, they still get they still get pretty big. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So how do you feel, Katie? Have you ever I mean,
Speaker 1: aside from obviously not squeezing them, how do you feel
Speaker 1: about catching a frog? Have you ever caught a frog? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Little ones. When I was a kid, I lacked the
Speaker 1: moral compass that I have as an adult. So I
Speaker 1: would care frogs and I would try to keep them
Speaker 1: as pets. I didn't know what I was doing there.
Speaker 1: There were mistakes made, lives lost on the altar of
Speaker 1: my journey of discovery about hey, you can't you can't
Speaker 1: do that to a frog. But I wasn't cruel. I
Speaker 1: wasn't intentionally cruel. I just thought maybe if I put
Speaker 1: them in like a jar with like a leaf, that
Speaker 1: would be fine, but it typically wasn't. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: never got that far. But I do like little frogs.
Speaker 1: I'm not bothered by I just remember there were so
Speaker 1: many writes of passage where I grew up in Connecticut
Speaker 1: where it was just like a bunch of macho bullshit,
Speaker 1: and part of it was like just grabbing the hell
Speaker 1: out of giant frogs, and I was hesitant. I was hesitant,
Speaker 1: but I but I like frogs and I think I
Speaker 1: think they're very cool, and I like little ones. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I just have a vivid memory of that being like
Speaker 1: one of the tests of masculinity where I grew up
Speaker 1: that I failed. That's so interesting. It's it shows how
Speaker 1: much our concepts of masculinity is cultural, right, because I
Speaker 1: would never have thought that you'd have to prove yourself
Speaker 1: to be masculine by grabbing a frog. Oh, as we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about, I think you will feel better about
Speaker 1: the fact that you were not one of the kids
Speaker 1: that wanted to grab the frogs, because that may, evolutionarily speaking,
Speaker 1: have been to your benefit. Hell yeah, I knew it
Speaker 1: validated all of these years later. I love it. Thank you, Katie,
Speaker 1: You're very welcome. First, we're going to talk about the
Speaker 1: a frog, A little one, A little frog, and it
Speaker 1: has to pull some pretty interesting tricks to make sure
Speaker 1: that it is not someone's dinner. Because this is the
Speaker 1: Koyaba dwarf frog and the koyab a dwarf frog. I mean, so,
Speaker 1: you know, have you heard the saying that words are
Speaker 1: mightier than the sword? Um? You know, it's mightier than
Speaker 1: both words and swords. Inflatable poisonous butts with eyes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: makes sense, it's deep. So yes, South America's Cuyabo dwarf
Speaker 1: frog has a butt that won't quit. It seriously, will
Speaker 1: not quit even if you beg it to. This is
Speaker 1: a little brown frog found in grasslands and near ponds
Speaker 1: and swamps, but it has many potential predators, including snakes, birds, bats,
Speaker 1: or coates who are long snooted carnivorous mammals related to raccoons.
Speaker 1: So there's there's a lot of things out there that
Speaker 1: would want to eat this cute little brown frog, which
Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's not easy, as Kermit once said,
Speaker 1: it's not easy being green, But I'd also say it's
Speaker 1: not z being a little brown frog either. No, and
Speaker 1: this frog is frightening. I wouldn't pick this frog up
Speaker 1: just because it has those humongous eyes on its that's right.
Speaker 1: So when it is threatened, the cleaba turns the other cheek,
Speaker 1: the butt cheek, it presents its butt, inflates itself with air,
Speaker 1: and shows off two huge, black, shiny, yellow ringed eye
Speaker 1: spots on its rear end. And they really do look
Speaker 1: convincingly like eyeballs. So these large eyes look like they
Speaker 1: belong to a much larger animal than the dwarf frog.
Speaker 1: The dwarfrog itself is only around three centimeters big, so
Speaker 1: it's just a little guy. So if it has these
Speaker 1: huge eyes, a predator is going to see these and think, oh,
Speaker 1: this must be a larger animal than I previously thought. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna paint some big eyes on my butt cheeks.
Speaker 1: It's a time tested evolutionary um masterpiece. So sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're I'm gonna have to get the
Speaker 1: red hot chili peppers uh tattoos I have they're already
Speaker 1: lasered off, though, mm hmm. I have Flea's face on
Speaker 1: one butt cheek and Anthony Ketas on the other. I
Speaker 1: feel like that would be a pretty easy cover up tattoo,
Speaker 1: just you know, instead of removing their red hot chili peppers,
Speaker 1: you just turn them into giant frog butt eyes and
Speaker 1: you know that way, I think it's there are there
Speaker 1: are tattoo parlors running a deal where they will do
Speaker 1: discounts on but cover ups as long as they are um,
Speaker 1: you know, mimicry eyes. They call it a frog conversion
Speaker 1: or something. I think that's really weird, Katie, because what's
Speaker 1: weird about the eyeballs thing is like, it's true they
Speaker 1: look like eyeballs, but I mean still the frog itself.
Speaker 1: It's if it's two centimeters big, I would wonder why
Speaker 1: predators get so scared. But anyway, I just that's very
Speaker 1: it's insane, what I mean, that is absolutely crazy that
Speaker 1: that nature came up with a big pair of eyes
Speaker 1: on this. But yeah, well it's the It's what animals
Speaker 1: have learned is the proportion, right, Like, so if you
Speaker 1: have huge eyes, those eyes usually belong to a big body.
Speaker 1: So if you see, like imagine you're imagine you're a
Speaker 1: snake and you're going along in the grass and you
Speaker 1: just come face to face with a pair of giant
Speaker 1: eyes inside you know, in the grass, you're not necessarily
Speaker 1: gonna know that it's only connected to a three centimeter
Speaker 1: big frog. You're probably thinking this belongs to a much
Speaker 1: larger animal. I need to back away right now, like
Speaker 1: this is the world's smallest German shepherd or something that'd
Speaker 1: be so cute, Like I met the snakes are scared,
Speaker 1: as imagine that would be so scary. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean if you saw just like a pair of giant
Speaker 1: a pair of disembodied giant eyes, right like, that's that's
Speaker 1: scary on its own, Like you don't even know they're
Speaker 1: attached to a butt yet. No, and I back off
Speaker 1: of regular frogs, so I'd be double I'd probably climb
Speaker 1: a tree and I back away from regular butts, so
Speaker 1: you know it's a double double threat, right. Well, I
Speaker 1: think that's interesting. I wonder if snakes do get scared, though,
Speaker 1: I think they just probably they probably don't have that
Speaker 1: in them. They probably just like get They probably divert.
Speaker 1: You know, I was imagining, since you said, imagine yourself
Speaker 1: being a snake, I was trying to think of mhmm,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Snakes are probably just like instinct.
Speaker 1: They're just like big eyes turn left like they're not scared.
Speaker 1: I picture I pictured for a second a snake being
Speaker 1: like afraid, which I don't think. Yeah, shaking a little bit, gulping, yeah,
Speaker 1: getting a little sweaty. Yeah, I mean it is an
Speaker 1: interesting idea. I don't know what it's like to be
Speaker 1: a snake, how it feels to be a snake, but
Speaker 1: I do think like start like the startle response, there
Speaker 1: probably is some adrenaline, and with fear and humans, we
Speaker 1: kind of have this emotion attached to it that we
Speaker 1: know is fear. But I would imagine for something like
Speaker 1: a snake, it is a stressful experience. They probably don't
Speaker 1: have an awareness of like I'm scared because of the
Speaker 1: butt eyes. However, they may feel just this like jarring
Speaker 1: stress response, So it's probably not pleasant, No, probably not.
Speaker 1: And they also don't get any food. Yeah, yeah, they
Speaker 1: thought they were going to get food, but instead they
Speaker 1: got a pair of horrifying butt eyes. And if they
Speaker 1: try to actually eat this frog, right like, if they
Speaker 1: call this frog's bluff, the frog has another trick up
Speaker 1: it's but it actually has a pair of GLAMs that
Speaker 1: secrete a toxin that is poisonous when eaten. One frog
Speaker 1: actually contains enough poison to kill a hundred and fifty mice.
Speaker 1: According to National Geographic and I do not know how
Speaker 1: they know that, Like, how they know it kills a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty mice per frog? Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know how they would. I was just thinking that.
Speaker 1: I don't. I love when they measure stuff like that though.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like horsepower. I always think about when
Speaker 1: they say a horsepower, like six horses pulling a car, right,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't, I don't. I wonder how they
Speaker 1: did that. I hope they didn't put a dard mice
Speaker 1: in a cage with those women monsters. I would imagine
Speaker 1: they probably do. You like, see how much it takes
Speaker 1: to kill one mouse, and then extrapolate from the volume
Speaker 1: of poison in the frog, like, oh, this is how
Speaker 1: much kills one mouse. Therefore, math, this is how much
Speaker 1: kills a hundred and fifty mice. I really hope they
Speaker 1: worked smarter, not harder, and didn't just like, well, let's
Speaker 1: keep going, let's see how many mice this, this can
Speaker 1: this can kill, because that would be that would be
Speaker 1: pretty grim. That reminds me of a joke by the
Speaker 1: stand up I like named Ben Branfon, who had this
Speaker 1: joke where he said, like they say that, like a
Speaker 1: stingray has enough poison in it to kill a horse.
Speaker 1: And he was like, what kind of ecosystem is that?
Speaker 1: Which I always like, I don't know why, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, what's kind of measurement is that? He's like
Speaker 1: he also he said, you know what else would kill
Speaker 1: a horse? The ocean like that always I always like
Speaker 1: that joke. Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't think that
Speaker 1: this frog could kill a horse. If a horse decided
Speaker 1: to uh mosey over to this frog's territory. It actually
Speaker 1: has a bad taste and is irritating to the eyes.
Speaker 1: So if a predator gets kind of a lick in,
Speaker 1: it's gonna taste nasty, feel bad, and it's gonna get
Speaker 1: a tummy ache, and if it eats enough of it,
Speaker 1: he's gonna start vomiting. So it's gonna yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be really like it's like just this poor snake slung
Speaker 1: over a toilet, throwing up some other snake, you know,
Speaker 1: patting it on the snake back like frog. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I got into that frog. But that is uh, that's
Speaker 1: like so I think it's interesting how some animals are
Speaker 1: so protected and some animals don't get anything. This one
Speaker 1: gets eyes on its but but you and and also
Speaker 1: poison and also I want to know what scientists tasted
Speaker 1: the frog to see to judge whether it tasted bad
Speaker 1: or good. It's definitely an intern You can't interview you know,
Speaker 1: you can't interview an animal and say how the frog taste.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think if they're vomiting, you have an idea.
Speaker 1: If they're gags, Oh, okay, oh that would be okay,
Speaker 1: maybe that's it. Okay, Okay, I didn't realize. Okay, they vomited. Okay,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. That's a good way to judge. I
Speaker 1: guess if they lick their lips, it means it tastes good.
Speaker 1: If the snake is yummy, and if the snakes going yeah,
Speaker 1: then it's probably tastes bad less unless vomb Unless vomiting
Speaker 1: is how snakes celebrate, which I in fact, I don't
Speaker 1: know too much about. I don't know too much about
Speaker 1: how snakes celebrate. I don't think it's well, maybe if
Speaker 1: the celebration is after they've eaten an egg. I know
Speaker 1: they do regurgitate the eggshell, so maybe that's kind of celebratory.
Speaker 1: Like I just date great splat, right. I think they
Speaker 1: dance around to those horns when they celebrate, they dance
Speaker 1: around horns. No, to those horns, you know, the snake
Speaker 1: charmer horns. Flutes. Yeah, yeah, I'm imagining like I'm imagining
Speaker 1: like a boo boogalow or a French horn. Like snakes
Speaker 1: like horns. No, snakes hire a guy to play the
Speaker 1: flute and they all party. Yeah, but I'll stop you
Speaker 1: get back to the biology. I'm sorry. We were all
Speaker 1: in college, even snakes. Yeah, yeah, it's totally Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was my favorite kind of party
Speaker 1: in college, when you hire a guy with a flute.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was so yeah, pan flute party
Speaker 1: in college. Oh yeah, everyone everyone. There are frogs out
Speaker 1: there who are not satisfied with just your typical sort
Speaker 1: of frog look, and they really wanna They have kind
Speaker 1: of bent the tradition of what a frog needs to
Speaker 1: look like. They've got some frog out coature. They have
Speaker 1: a duck bill, which I when I saw like pictures
Speaker 1: of these, I didn't think it was a frog. They
Speaker 1: do not look based on the face. They do not
Speaker 1: look like frogs. They look like some kind of weird
Speaker 1: duck amphibian hybrid, maybe like a cross between a fox
Speaker 1: and a frog. It's very strange. And there are actually
Speaker 1: a number of species that have this duck bill look.
Speaker 1: And we're going to first talk about the Nicta mantus genus.
Speaker 1: And so these are small frog species that live in
Speaker 1: these tiny pond ecosystems inside of plants in South America.
Speaker 1: So just a quick note about these little pond ecosystems.
Speaker 1: Bromiliads are flowering plants of a variety of species. The
Speaker 1: tank bromeliads actually have these sharp, spear like leaves that
Speaker 1: common these brilliant greens, reds, yellows, and pinks. They attach
Speaker 1: themselves to trees and they actually have a bowl structure
Speaker 1: in the middle of their leaves collects rain water and
Speaker 1: acts as a miniature water ecosystem for everything from little
Speaker 1: invertebrates like insect larva to even terrestrial crabs and frogs
Speaker 1: will often use these little ponds to live in. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they will lay there tadpoles in So it's really incredible
Speaker 1: these bromeliad ecosystems, which I'm sure I'm going to talk
Speaker 1: about more on the show in general, but today we
Speaker 1: are just focusing on the Nicti mantis tree frog that
Speaker 1: will live in these little ponds. So if you are
Speaker 1: in these areas where there are these bromeliads, if you
Speaker 1: peer inside a bromelia, you may find a little frog
Speaker 1: looking back at you. That's crazy, that's crazy. That's so,
Speaker 1: that's nuts. How can there be a frog inside a flower?
Speaker 1: That's crazy. It's that's I mean, living in a pond.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can imagine a frog hiding in a flower,
Speaker 1: but I can't imagine a frog living in a flower.
Speaker 1: But what a great place to live, my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's actually serves the bromeliads quite well because the
Speaker 1: I believe it's the the nitrogen that is excreted by
Speaker 1: the animals that live inside of these ponds. It was
Speaker 1: actually good for the flower, Like they get free fertilizer
Speaker 1: from these little animals that live inside these little ponds,
Speaker 1: and then the animals get shelter and a nice little
Speaker 1: pond environment. That's it's like, you know, there it's their
Speaker 1: own little private pool, which is incredible. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's the that's like the dream of like
Speaker 1: you know, like I write poetry sometimes and like you know,
Speaker 1: that's a poetic image, like you live in a pond
Speaker 1: inside of flower That sounds like a poem, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's like that's like a that's like
Speaker 1: a mine blow or like as far as uh a
Speaker 1: secret world like you know, I mean, you want to
Speaker 1: get away from the internet or something, you live in
Speaker 1: a pond inside of It's like it is a sort
Speaker 1: of fairy It's the fairy lifestyle that these frogs are living.
Speaker 1: I hope they're digging it, like, I hope they get it.
Speaker 1: I hope they know. I hope they're like we are
Speaker 1: having the life. I really hope these frogs appreciate how
Speaker 1: good they have it. That's what I mean. Like, well,
Speaker 1: you don't if you think about all the all the
Speaker 1: relentless capitalism that happens. It's all like all the cutthroat
Speaker 1: step on people's heads nightmares we live through is just
Speaker 1: so people can get to this, like the biggest sociopath
Speaker 1: in the world, you know, Jeff Bezos or or you
Speaker 1: know what's his name, what's the Richard Branson or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like after they after they step on everybody's neck, they
Speaker 1: they sit inside a floor, their own flower pool, right,
Speaker 1: and this frog does it without any violence or any capitalism.
Speaker 1: It just gets in a flower. And I think that
Speaker 1: people should realize that they also could get into a
Speaker 1: flower if they skip all the all the meanness. Hold
Speaker 1: hold that thought about the violence part. I mean, I will,
Speaker 1: I will agree with you though there is not so
Speaker 1: much capitalism happening with these frogs, but there is. I
Speaker 1: mean when I say violence, I think it's personally. I
Speaker 1: think it's justified because these these little dudes are just
Speaker 1: trying to live, uh, and so uh, they need to
Speaker 1: protect themselves. So the nick de mantis tree frogs. Uh,
Speaker 1: there is one that is particularly striking looking called Bruno's
Speaker 1: cast headed frog that lives in Brazil. And this frog
Speaker 1: is incredible. It's I mean, it's really striking looking. It's
Speaker 1: this ash brown with sort of darker brown spots. It's
Speaker 1: about the length of a pointer finger, so it's a
Speaker 1: cute little guy. And then it's got this long, duck
Speaker 1: like snout and these bright red forward facing eyes. It's
Speaker 1: kind of cartoonish looking and it's absolutely adorable. Mhm. And
Speaker 1: is that wait, that's the one that lives in a flower. Yeah,
Speaker 1: have you, Katie, ever seen one of these frogs? That
Speaker 1: live in a flower. No, not in person. Have you
Speaker 1: checked the flowers? Do you check flowers? But I just
Speaker 1: like shove a hand in a flower. In one of
Speaker 1: these days, it's going to catch up to me because, uh,
Speaker 1: these these guys, these little Bruno's cascaded frogs, have a
Speaker 1: great defense mechanism against curious people or animals who are
Speaker 1: trying to invade their idyllic little pond home. That duck
Speaker 1: built that you see is actually this bony late on
Speaker 1: their head and they will basically use their head to
Speaker 1: seal the entrance to their bromeliad pond to protect themselves
Speaker 1: from predators. And it's not just armor. Their skulls are
Speaker 1: equipped with spikes that can inject venom into an assailant
Speaker 1: by headbutting them. So these frogs are one of only
Speaker 1: two venomous frog species. So you may be thinking, well,
Speaker 1: what about poison arrow frogs, poison dart frogs, like those
Speaker 1: little tree frogs that are brightly colored, So those are poisonous. Somebody,
Speaker 1: somebody might be thinking that what what what? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I was thinking that, oh yeah about oh yeah, what
Speaker 1: about poison arrow frogs. Well, the poison arrow frog lobby
Speaker 1: is is it may not seem like it, but they're
Speaker 1: quite strong and well funded, so I've got to be careful. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So these are venomous, meaning that they actually inject a
Speaker 1: toxin rather than just the toxin being absorbed through the
Speaker 1: skin or being ingested. So, uh yeah, this is one
Speaker 1: of only two venomous frog species that are known. The
Speaker 1: other species is the cory Fomantis greenegi um. So both
Speaker 1: of these frogs use the same method of basically using
Speaker 1: spines that are in their skulls that are laced with venom,
Speaker 1: and they will actually puncture their own skin and the
Speaker 1: spines come out like through their upper lip, and they
Speaker 1: will headbut you if you try to invade their little
Speaker 1: bromelia pad. And this venom causes incredible pain and is
Speaker 1: super potent. A grama venom from one of these guys
Speaker 1: could kill eighty people. Again, I don't really know how
Speaker 1: they tested that. I don't know, but all I know
Speaker 1: is I wish that we could have gotten a lot
Speaker 1: of people out of the way who turned out to
Speaker 1: be evil senators bull frogs. If the bull frogs in
Speaker 1: New Canaan, Connecticut had had just even a little little
Speaker 1: dad before what I'm saying right like you you didn't
Speaker 1: grab the frogs, which, first of all good because that's nice,
Speaker 1: nice to the frogs. You don't want to grab frogs
Speaker 1: and squeeze them, you know, if at most like maybe
Speaker 1: offer them a little bottle capful of water for them
Speaker 1: to sip from. You know, I don't think all interactions
Speaker 1: with frogs have to be negative, but if you grab one,
Speaker 1: that's that's got to stress the frog out. These are
Speaker 1: the type of guys. You know where I grew up
Speaker 1: in Connecticut, New Canaan, Connecticut, you know, home of the
Speaker 1: Financial Advisor. Uh, you know that they people there don't
Speaker 1: have any attachment to nature. They just nature is just
Speaker 1: a backdrop for them to play golf on or drink whiskey.
Speaker 1: And they you know, so they see frogs and they
Speaker 1: just pick them up like they're freaking you know, they
Speaker 1: just grab things. They're just grabbers as humans. You know,
Speaker 1: there's like give me that frog, you know, give me
Speaker 1: that thing, give me that you know, like oh look
Speaker 1: on baseball, give me that give me that frog too.
Speaker 1: So there's just a lot of grabbing going on in
Speaker 1: that culture. So they grabbed frogs the way they would
Speaker 1: grab a beer and I just couldn't. I couldn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't understand how you could do that. So I think
Speaker 1: it's I hope I wish. I just wish one of
Speaker 1: those frogs could have at least headbutts, I mean, and
Speaker 1: shot some poison into their I would never want to
Speaker 1: subject the id never want to subject the rainforest to this,
Speaker 1: but it does seem like it would be fun to
Speaker 1: kind of have a rainforest tour for some of these
Speaker 1: these bros that just grab nature and just you know,
Speaker 1: let him, let him learn a little bit, yes, or
Speaker 1: balsa naro, just tearing down the whole rainforest. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wish some of the one of the frogs pop out
Speaker 1: of one of these flowers and head butt him. So
Speaker 1: these these brunos cast headed frogs, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know if they could kill a person. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: they know whether or not they could kill someone. Because
Speaker 1: even though a gramma venom is enough to kill a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of people, the key is how much venom
Speaker 1: they actually inject per head butt. So while it's more
Speaker 1: potent than something like say a pit viper, if it
Speaker 1: only injects like a little bit, like it's a little
Speaker 1: tiny stab. It's not going to kill you. However, there
Speaker 1: was a researcher who accidentally got jabbed by the less
Speaker 1: toxic C. Grinegy species and reported intense pain in his
Speaker 1: entire arm for over five hours. So I would imagine
Speaker 1: that the more potent frog, the Bruno's cast headed frog,
Speaker 1: if you got stung by one of those, it would
Speaker 1: be unpleasant, bad, bad for your health. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: they should start measuring, like, get the measurement how many
Speaker 1: how many people could this one kill? Eight? Well, we
Speaker 1: don't know how many it could kill through normal like headbutting,
Speaker 1: because we don't really I don't know if it's known
Speaker 1: how much venom it injects. But if you a graham
Speaker 1: of the venom is concentrated enough that it could take
Speaker 1: out eighty people. Wow. See I think they should start
Speaker 1: measuring it in like weirder stuff. If they're gonna say
Speaker 1: eighty people, they should be like a large dinner party,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like could kill a human
Speaker 1: picnic like that. Put it in make it scarier because
Speaker 1: people will really leave these frogs alone if they If you,
Speaker 1: if you have the idea that it could take out
Speaker 1: a whole take out a third of a fish concert. Exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm exactly what I'm talking about. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's funny. Oh thinking about you. Well,
Speaker 1: if you actually look at one of the skulls of
Speaker 1: these things, it really kind of shows you the menacing
Speaker 1: because you look at their sweet little faces. You're like
Speaker 1: that little guy, this will this all like weird dog faced, cute,
Speaker 1: little muppet looking frog. No, but their skulls are a nightmare.
Speaker 1: They have so many spikes. It's like, I don't I've
Speaker 1: been playing a lot of elden Ring. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: honest with you, and that's definitely looks like something from
Speaker 1: that the game that does kill you immediately even though
Speaker 1: you did dodge a lot. Uh. It's a for those
Speaker 1: of you who aren't playing elden Ring. I mean, first
Speaker 1: of all, congratulations on having a life. But secondly, uh,
Speaker 1: any any time you try to fight anything in that game,
Speaker 1: it is it's very mean to you. It's very mean.
Speaker 1: And this skull it looks like one of the mean
Speaker 1: bosses that kills you really badly over and over again.
Speaker 1: That's insane. I'm looking at this thing that is crazy.
Speaker 1: It's got the whole the whole front of this thing's
Speaker 1: head as needles exactly, and it's just in it, you know,
Speaker 1: Wolverine esque, just jabs it through its own skin without
Speaker 1: a care in the world. It's like it's at the
Speaker 1: overall vibe of this frog, despite how cute it is,
Speaker 1: it's very menacing. It's like I'm willing to jab all
Speaker 1: of my skull knives through my own skin just just
Speaker 1: to get at you. And so, you know I am,
Speaker 1: I'm personally intimidated that. Yeah, that's like I want to
Speaker 1: know what these what are these frogs? What secrets of
Speaker 1: these frogs keeping inside? I mean, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like what this makes me think, Katie, This this discussion
Speaker 1: makes me think about you know, I just wonder why
Speaker 1: some some plants have prickers on them, like you know, thorns,
Speaker 1: and then some some like you know, some peppers. If
Speaker 1: you eat the wrong pepper, you're gonna burn your face off,
Speaker 1: you know, like a hot pepper, you know, and then
Speaker 1: you eat some other peppers that, um, you know, don't
Speaker 1: do anything to eat like a green pepper or like
Speaker 1: a yellow pepper or whatever, you know, it's the pepper,
Speaker 1: or you just eat it on a salad so I'm
Speaker 1: just wondering. It's sort of interesting to me when I
Speaker 1: think about why some some poor vegetables or animals end
Speaker 1: up with no defense, and then some end up with
Speaker 1: the most elaborate crazy you ever saw. And then I
Speaker 1: wonder if these animals have some sort of secret and
Speaker 1: that's why they have so much on them, And like
Speaker 1: why why hot peppers must have some something protecting? It's
Speaker 1: very important. You asking what kind of frogs you can
Speaker 1: put on a salad. No, no, no, certainly not if
Speaker 1: I don't want to touch a frog. I definitely don't
Speaker 1: want to eat a frog. Uh. But yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I just think it's interesting that some animals get such
Speaker 1: like wild defense and some seem to get like very little,
Speaker 1: like you know, like a I don't know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like a sparrow. I bet a sparrow would like to
Speaker 1: have I don't know who eats sparrows. I guess like hawks,
Speaker 1: you know, I bet a sparrow could have used a
Speaker 1: few spikes, that's all, you know. I was just thinking, like,
Speaker 1: why this is a little fair. It does seem unfair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's you know, the simple rule
Speaker 1: of evolution is if you are able to survive. That's it.
Speaker 1: Like evolution doesn't care about how cool you look, how
Speaker 1: much fun you have in life. It really doesn't have
Speaker 1: any like quality of life, Like, hey, why don't why
Speaker 1: didn't humans get cool spikes? Well, if we're if we
Speaker 1: survived without the spikes, then you know, we just don't
Speaker 1: get to have them. So it's yeah, I guess that's right.
Speaker 1: I mean that makes sense because like, it's not like
Speaker 1: green peppers aren't threa. They're everywhere. We just like to eat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I cannot get. I cannot. I can't spit and not
Speaker 1: hit a green pepper, you know what I mean. No,
Speaker 1: it's insane. I'm coming out getting out of bed in
Speaker 1: the mornings in the yellow peppers. I'm all right with
Speaker 1: their chill. They're really delicious green peppers. Get out of here,
Speaker 1: stop it? Yeah yeah, yeah, and then then out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Do you think that you talk disrespected green pepper? And
Speaker 1: then they head right? Your arm is killing you for
Speaker 1: five hours And that green pepper's name Bruno's casquetted frog.
Speaker 1: And we've come full circle. Um. Before we move on
Speaker 1: to the next section, I did want to just briefly
Speaker 1: mention a frog I love this frog because it's just
Speaker 1: a frog who has a knife. Essentially, it's like normal frog,
Speaker 1: but then it's it's got it's it's just got a knife.
Speaker 1: This is Hilos. That's a great name for an indie
Speaker 1: rock band frog with a knife. Yeah. Um, this is
Speaker 1: another small tree dwelling frog in Ecuador. I tell you
Speaker 1: these tree frogs they are nuts like they The dangers
Speaker 1: they must face in these rainforests are so intense that
Speaker 1: they have become hard. Uh, they have become hardcore. Uh,
Speaker 1: and they don't mess around. So Hilo skirt Us helicici
Speaker 1: is a gray little frog with gold flex and gold eyes.
Speaker 1: Is very pretty, and it's just got an extra knife finger.
Speaker 1: That's about it. It's got an extra finger. That's knife. Uh.
Speaker 1: It is a sharp extra protrusion off the side of
Speaker 1: its thumb that the frog uses to stab other frogs. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, predators, researchers. Apparently it was able to stab
Speaker 1: through a latex glove and scratch a researcher. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's just a cute little frog with a knife attached
Speaker 1: to it. An extra knife finger. Oh, it's got which
Speaker 1: one is the knife? The little thumb, little stick Okay,
Speaker 1: I got it. Yeah, I just like that. I sometimes
Speaker 1: as much as I appreciate creativity and evolution, I also
Speaker 1: like it when evolution just kind of pops out something
Speaker 1: that it sounds like it's just kind of running out
Speaker 1: of ideas, like a frog. But uh, it's got a knife. Yeah,
Speaker 1: frog with a knife. Yeah, yeah, that is a very
Speaker 1: beautiful little frog. And you would never I think that
Speaker 1: it has a knife. It's just the way you would
Speaker 1: not think any animal, at least in my experience. I
Speaker 1: never expect an animal that but I but I might
Speaker 1: want to adjust mm hmmm, start thinking about it. But
Speaker 1: that is crazy. It's a beautiful little frog and stuff nice.
Speaker 1: So now we are we are going to talk about
Speaker 1: one more frog that is menacing. And this frog is
Speaker 1: called Basil buffo beazel buffo. Um. It is wow, that's
Speaker 1: another good name for a beazel buffo. It is combining
Speaker 1: the devil's name beazel bub or some people think it's
Speaker 1: not the devil, some people think it's the lord of
Speaker 1: the flies. Um, but it's combining beazel bub with Latin
Speaker 1: for toad, which is buffo, even though technically this is
Speaker 1: a frog. So just just a reminder, Um, all toads
Speaker 1: are frogs, and only some frogs are toads. Toads are
Speaker 1: just defined as dogs that kind of are. They have
Speaker 1: some certain characteristics like thicker, more rough skin, um stubby
Speaker 1: your legs, things like that. So beazl Buffo is also
Speaker 1: known as the devil frog. It is an extinct species
Speaker 1: of frog that lived around seventy million years ago in Madagascar.
Speaker 1: It is estimated to have grown around a foot in length,
Speaker 1: around nine to sixteen inches or twenty three to forty
Speaker 1: two centimeters, and up to ten pounds or four point
Speaker 1: five kims, which is larger than some chihuahuas. Chris, how
Speaker 1: you how you feeling about this this frog so far?
Speaker 1: Because you know, well, I'm just imagining, like in my head,
Speaker 1: I just pictured Kim Kardashian with one of these frogs
Speaker 1: in her bag. That's what I got. That's what I got,
Speaker 1: so fark that's what I got so far. Man. I
Speaker 1: would love to live in that universe where instead of
Speaker 1: toy toy dogs, we have toy frogs. And you got
Speaker 1: Paris Hilton with one of these these devil frogs just
Speaker 1: sitting contentedly in a Gucci bag. Yeah, or else a
Speaker 1: situation where an alien is carrying around Kim Kardashians. It's
Speaker 1: just bags all the way down. Yes, like every every
Speaker 1: species dreams of having a pet. Yeah, but who's every
Speaker 1: Everyone is someone's pet in a bag, right, yes, yep
Speaker 1: Jane's addiction. Yeah, remember that song will make great pets? No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't about aliens. Oh it's a song called pets
Speaker 1: and it's about I mean, it's just about aliens having
Speaker 1: us as pets someday and how we'll make great pets.
Speaker 1: And I just remember that was actually a thought that
Speaker 1: I actually was kind of like wow, I kind of
Speaker 1: mind blowing, like smoke some weed, be like I never
Speaker 1: really thought about that. But yeah, yeah, we would be
Speaker 1: pets and we would have our own purses filled with
Speaker 1: our own pets, and right, it would just never stop.
Speaker 1: There would have like a smaller frog and it's purse,
Speaker 1: and then that frog would have micro highland frog and
Speaker 1: it's purse because like they're trogs, like smaller than your
Speaker 1: pinky nails. I would probably have like one of those. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I could. This situation could rapidly get out of hand. Um,
Speaker 1: this is the version of capitalism. I will if capitalism
Speaker 1: gives us nesting frogs and bags, then I will change
Speaker 1: my attitude towards the frogs carrying around. And right, this
Speaker 1: is this is the only like when people ask what
Speaker 1: are we what is our goal in life? Like what
Speaker 1: is the economy for? What are we striving towards as
Speaker 1: a civilization, it's frogs and bags and frogs and bags
Speaker 1: and frogs and bags. Yes, exactly. And also I would
Speaker 1: liked I imagine, I mean, I I think about this
Speaker 1: because I was just on my own podcast. I was
Speaker 1: talking about golden doodles recently, and I was thinking about,
Speaker 1: you know, like I was talking about how I don't
Speaker 1: I don't quite like the idea of like people wanting
Speaker 1: a hypoallergenic dog, you know, because then it's just opens
Speaker 1: this door to like genetically engineering them. So like I
Speaker 1: was just thinking about someone like shrinking a German shepherd
Speaker 1: to make it, you know, I think I mentioned a
Speaker 1: shrunk and German shepherd earlier in the show. I just
Speaker 1: have shrunk and German shepherds on my mind because I
Speaker 1: imagined having a German shepherd shrunk down so someone could
Speaker 1: have one in their bag, you know. And um, but
Speaker 1: I was also thinking about how much fun it would
Speaker 1: be to actually right around in a bag, and how
Speaker 1: I would love to be a bag. And well, you
Speaker 1: could have potentially done that around seventy million years ago
Speaker 1: in Madagascar if you were small enough to be the
Speaker 1: prey of this devil frog, like if you're a baby dinosaur,
Speaker 1: like maybe hey, maybe in a past life you're a
Speaker 1: baby dinosaur. And these devil frogs have these huge pac
Speaker 1: man like mouths. Uh, they're similar, potentially similar, although probably
Speaker 1: not very related to horned frogs that live today. These
Speaker 1: are these frogs that are just kind of triangular shaped
Speaker 1: and they have they're like mouth, they have this huge
Speaker 1: mouth to body ratio and so basically pac man with
Speaker 1: little frog legs. And so this suggests that these devil
Speaker 1: frogs ate large prey, probably even baby dinosaurs, and the
Speaker 1: bite force of their jaws is estimated to have been
Speaker 1: somewhere between five hundred to two thousand over two thousand Newton's.
Speaker 1: So for reference, human bite force of our back molars
Speaker 1: is around one thousand, three hundred Newton's, so uh, potentially
Speaker 1: stronger than human bite. So yeah, I don't even want
Speaker 1: to think about how many Newton's my biting it just
Speaker 1: made me upset because I you know, I don't really
Speaker 1: bite things that hard, but I know that, you know,
Speaker 1: if someone really wants to bite you, it's now it's
Speaker 1: no joke. I think about my bite force all the
Speaker 1: time because I have bruxi is um where I it's
Speaker 1: not really teeth grinding, it's more clenching I have. I
Speaker 1: have a really gorgeous retainer that's very fetching that I
Speaker 1: have to wear at night otherwise I will destroy, Like
Speaker 1: my my teeth. Clinching is so bad. I feel like
Speaker 1: if I continue to clench, I'm just gonna kind of
Speaker 1: hyper compress my teeth and start like a new black
Speaker 1: hole in my mouth. So the retainer is really important. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: tis the season for that sort of This is a
Speaker 1: this is definitely teeth clenching season. Yeah yeah. These last
Speaker 1: these last couple of years have been like Golden Age.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's uh, you know, I mean at least
Speaker 1: I'm working out my jaw muscles. I guess. So if
Speaker 1: I ever need to compete one of these with one
Speaker 1: of these, I mean, these are extinct, but I feel
Speaker 1: like if one of these beasel buffo's uh somehow unfawsed
Speaker 1: somewhere and we clone them from kind of like Jurassic
Speaker 1: Frog Park, because you know, they only have dinosaurs in
Speaker 1: those things and plants. I don't know why they didn't
Speaker 1: have more like old frogs. But yeah, I've been working
Speaker 1: out my new new Tony in force, so you know, like, ah,
Speaker 1: maybe I could beat one of these frogs at like
Speaker 1: a biting competition. Oh man, just imagine what a life
Speaker 1: that would be. Biting competitions with frogs, frogs and bags.
Speaker 1: This would be I dream about it every night. It's
Speaker 1: probably why I'm clenching my jaw so hard in my sleep.
Speaker 1: Now I'm thinking about bite force in terms of picnics,
Speaker 1: My bite force, my bite forces the equivalent of fifty picnics.
Speaker 1: May the this is what I'm gonna say next time,
Speaker 1: like like we're eating dinner or something like, May the
Speaker 1: bite Force be with you? And then everyone will just
Speaker 1: bust their guts laughing at my cool Star Wars humor.
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no, I hope I'm not at that.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm not at that dinner. Well, now comes
Speaker 1: the moment everyone's been waiting for more Star Wars jokes.
Speaker 1: Now I'm kidding. The actual moment everyone's been waiting for.
Speaker 1: It is the Mystery animal sound game. Guess Who's squawking?
Speaker 1: Every week we play a mystery animal sound and you
Speaker 1: the listener and you the guests, try to guess who's squawking.
Speaker 1: Who's making that sound? Could be anything could be from
Speaker 1: birds to insects, to mammals, to see creatures, to invertebrates,
Speaker 1: to vertebrates, to furry to naked. So many different animals
Speaker 1: that could be making this sounds, so anything is game.
Speaker 1: Uh So, last week's mystery animal sound had this hint
Speaker 1: that it sounds like an adorable squeaking mouse, except it
Speaker 1: has way too many legs to be a mouse. And
Speaker 1: this is what that sound was. Yeah, I would guess
Speaker 1: a mouse sounds pretty mouth like, what are you gonna
Speaker 1: tell me? That is? What the what the hell is that?
Speaker 1: So this is not a mouse. This is, in fact,
Speaker 1: a poor, sweet little camel spider being harassed. So, oh
Speaker 1: my god. So camel spiders get a pretty bad reputation
Speaker 1: because they're kind of scary looking, but they are mostly
Speaker 1: harmless to humans. Hooray for being mostly harmless. Uh, they
Speaker 1: do have strong chilic arrae. So those are the bidy
Speaker 1: parts which they can use. Now, stay with me, don't
Speaker 1: don't freak out yet. They can use to cut through
Speaker 1: bird feathers and light bird bones. But but they are
Speaker 1: not venomous, and so their bite maybe kind of a
Speaker 1: painful nip, but probably no worse than what you might
Speaker 1: receive from a chihuahua. So you know, if I got
Speaker 1: bitten by a spider that hurt as much as a chihuahua,
Speaker 1: I would lose my mind. That is, that's crazy. I
Speaker 1: hope that never happens to me. How many Newton's are
Speaker 1: we dealing with Katie with the spider's bite? Do we? Do?
Speaker 1: We know? I don't actually have that information on the
Speaker 1: I want to know about I want about all. I
Speaker 1: don't want to know about all the MONA say, M,
Speaker 1: I mean thousand Newton's, No, less five hundred. If we
Speaker 1: were a thousand, it's probably only two feet Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say maybe three d I'm gonna guess. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Also, are you am I the only one
Speaker 1: who's picturing Sir Isaac Newton biting people right now? Yes? Oh? No, okay,
Speaker 1: not again. So these are found in dry climates, in
Speaker 1: sort of desert terrain. They are despite being called amal
Speaker 1: spiders or sometimes they're called wind scorpions. Uh, they are
Speaker 1: neither spiders nor scorpions. They are actually solifuges um. So
Speaker 1: these are a variety of species of solifuges. They are
Speaker 1: actually in the same class as spiders and scorpions and arachneta,
Speaker 1: but they are not Uh. They are not spiders and
Speaker 1: they're not scorpions. So their appearance is somewhat strange and alarming,
Speaker 1: and for this reason, their ferocity is often much overreported.
Speaker 1: So some species do grow up to be quite large.
Speaker 1: They can grow up to be about six inches or
Speaker 1: fifteen centimeters long, including the legs, so that's I can
Speaker 1: see that being pretty intimidating, but most species are only
Speaker 1: around two inches or five centimeters, so you know, adorable
Speaker 1: little babies they are. They are a light tan color
Speaker 1: with a long, oval shaped, segmented abdomen. They have eight
Speaker 1: legs and two large petal palps that kind of look
Speaker 1: like an extra set of legs, but they are actually
Speaker 1: more used as sensory organs. Uh. Its head is acorn
Speaker 1: shaped with large chilicae which are those pincers um, and
Speaker 1: it breathes through sphericles which are tiny holes all over
Speaker 1: its body, which is a common method of breathing in
Speaker 1: a lot of invertebrates. So it makes this cute little
Speaker 1: squeaking sound, if you can call it cute. That sounds
Speaker 1: like a mouse squeaking by stridulation. So it rubs its
Speaker 1: chillice together and creates this squeaking sound, much like a
Speaker 1: cricket will make a sound by rubbing uh its wings together.
Speaker 1: So this is a defensive sound. The soulfuges actually lack venom,
Speaker 1: and so some speed she's of solofuges will use chirps
Speaker 1: or hisses to ward off predators. So they're just skilled,
Speaker 1: just little scared babies. Yeah, I don't feel like I'm
Speaker 1: That's one way to look at it. Feel like I'm
Speaker 1: not selling you on. I think I like, I have
Speaker 1: no against spiders, I actually at all, you know, I
Speaker 1: think there I try and leave them alone, you know,
Speaker 1: even even in my house. Um, but like I saw,
Speaker 1: and I saw, I saw I saw one hiking or
Speaker 1: I've seen two actually since the pandemic. Actually I never
Speaker 1: really hiked before that. And I was hiking and I
Speaker 1: saw like a tarantula twice and so beautiful, I mean
Speaker 1: it's just incredible to see one in the wild. It's
Speaker 1: just I love it. It was I've seen a ton
Speaker 1: of deer and bears, and the spider was my favorite
Speaker 1: thing to say. Yeah, there are some tarantulas that are truly,
Speaker 1: truly beautiful. I've held one before. It's it was a
Speaker 1: friend's pet, and it's they're so like light and fluffy there.
Speaker 1: It's it's both unsettling how light they are and it
Speaker 1: also kind of like disarming, where it's like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: just like a little little light poofball and then suddenly
Speaker 1: it's like crawled halfway up your My arm is like
Speaker 1: all right, I think we've we've made friends enough here today,
Speaker 1: But right, who is your who is your friend? Like
Speaker 1: p J. Harvey? Now I pictured p J Harvey. This
Speaker 1: is an elementary squad. Okay, so um yeah, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: soul fugures. Uh they are not spiders um or or scorpions,
Speaker 1: but they do kind of look like a spider mixed
Speaker 1: with a scorpion. And because of this look, I think
Speaker 1: they spook people. They make them think they are much
Speaker 1: more dangerous than they really are. There are myths about
Speaker 1: it being able to outrun a human this isn't quite true.
Speaker 1: So they're about half as fast as the world's fastest sprinter. Uh.
Speaker 1: They do have top speeds some species of ten miles
Speaker 1: per hour, which is sixteen kilometers per hour, so like
Speaker 1: pretty fast. Yeah, I think they could catch up to you.
Speaker 1: That's fast. That could catch me in a second. That's
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's very that's very as if I
Speaker 1: can even run like five miles per hour, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm definitely not. If one of these soul if
Speaker 1: you just wanted to eat me, they definitely could. But
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't want to eat you. I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you. I'm glad. Animals are just mostly minding
Speaker 1: just because they could easily really franks up. So the
Speaker 1: only thing they want to have to do with humans
Speaker 1: is maybe mooch off of the shade that we make
Speaker 1: like with our bodies, so like they like to be
Speaker 1: in the shade. They don't want to sit out in
Speaker 1: the sun for too long because they can overheat um
Speaker 1: and so they may like the only cases that they
Speaker 1: would follow a human around would be because we have
Speaker 1: this nice shade in our path and they just want
Speaker 1: to chill out, which I think is kind of cute.
Speaker 1: That is nice. I'm gonna carry an umbrella whenever I'm
Speaker 1: in the desert, a little just like a little miniature
Speaker 1: umbrella that you hold over it. Yeah, so cute. I
Speaker 1: love that. So while humans have nothing to worry about
Speaker 1: with solifuges, uh insects, spiders, scorpions, or even other smaller
Speaker 1: species of solifuges, as well as small birds and reptiles,
Speaker 1: do actually have something to be worried about. Because solifuges
Speaker 1: are voracious eaters. They will constantly hunt to feed their
Speaker 1: very rapid metabolism. They're unusual in this respect. Often spiders
Speaker 1: or scorpions or other arachnids are ambush predators. They kind
Speaker 1: of like to hide and wait for prey to come
Speaker 1: towards them. But soul fugues are out hustling every day.
Speaker 1: They are. It's all about the hustle with these guys.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta respect it. Mm hmm. That's what
Speaker 1: I've been told. You gotta respect the hustle. I respect
Speaker 1: the nap. I God, I love naps. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: hustling is okay, But I'd put hustling like fourth like
Speaker 1: maybe or even maybe even sixth right behind going to
Speaker 1: the dentist. Yeah, I mean, but that's nice that these
Speaker 1: spiders are out there doing it for themselves there, you know.
Speaker 1: There they wake up every day with a little cup
Speaker 1: of coffee and like every every little leg and uh
Speaker 1: you know, uh little little uh. Each cup of coffee
Speaker 1: is like number one sales man of the month and
Speaker 1: with a little tie. I don't know what. I don't
Speaker 1: know what normal jobs is. Honestly, Uh, I don't know
Speaker 1: what normal jobs is. That's a quote. I like that. Um,
Speaker 1: I yeah, I think that. I wonder, Yeah, I wonder
Speaker 1: about the like social lives of these spiders and about like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't get to have any coffee, which they don't need.
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny what you project all these human
Speaker 1: things Like it made me feel bad because I like
Speaker 1: coffee so much. I was like, oh, poor spiders can't
Speaker 1: have any coffee. But you know, they don't get They're
Speaker 1: they're all ready to go, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They're not like me. They're not a coffee is bird
Speaker 1: bones or something? Yeah? Yes, And I can't believe they
Speaker 1: can bite through bird bones. I mean bird bones to
Speaker 1: be fair. Are pretty flimsy. I was about to say,
Speaker 1: what do you They're actually not that hard to bite
Speaker 1: through like a tooth pick. I'm chewing on something, you know,
Speaker 1: and they are not. I will I will sometimes crack
Speaker 1: open chicken bones. But that's a discussion for another time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a different podcast, Chicken Bone Chicken Bone crunch Our.
Speaker 1: It's for people who enjoy the audio environment of hearing
Speaker 1: chicken bones being crunched right now. Oh my god, whatever
Speaker 1: that chicken bonemr. Well, chick I'm sure they got me
Speaker 1: out on my other podcast. No bones about it, except
Speaker 1: there is bones about it because they're crunching on bones
Speaker 1: right in your ear and HD binaural trinaoral audio. So
Speaker 1: you better cut this out of the podcast because this
Speaker 1: is a good idea. People would pay good money for that.
Speaker 1: The no bones about it except the bones about it
Speaker 1: with Katie Golden Knight pending copyright. Yeah, it's totally AMR
Speaker 1: podcast with Katie registered trade. Oh man, well crazy, I
Speaker 1: can't believe I heart radio about this chicken crunching podcast.
Speaker 1: I mean it is, it's pretty good. It's disrupting the
Speaker 1: podcast industry. Um, you know, I'll help you out with round,
Speaker 1: I'll round up and we'll talk about this. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about this after the show, but we'll make it happen.
Speaker 1: So onto this week's mystery animal sound. Uh, here is
Speaker 1: the hint. When you find out how this sound is.
Speaker 1: When you find out how this sound is produced, I'll
Speaker 1: bet I could knock you over with a feather. Did
Speaker 1: you hear those like I did? Yeah? Yeah, it sounds
Speaker 1: like the sound of makes some like like a beep.
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny about that is you can't see
Speaker 1: the video because it's a secret. But uh, this mystery
Speaker 1: animals but is facing the camera and it does actually
Speaker 1: do a little duty in the middle of it. So,
Speaker 1: oh my god. But the sound is not thank god,
Speaker 1: I don't have It's not coming from the duty. It's
Speaker 1: coming from something else. Do you have any guesses as
Speaker 1: to who is making this sound? That's that's a lot
Speaker 1: of clues, But I, I mean, I just might as
Speaker 1: well make a joke. I have no idea, like maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know. Uh, I can't even think like like
Speaker 1: some kind of owl that lives on the ground, like
Speaker 1: an owl, a daytime owl, time owl that lives on
Speaker 1: the ground. I mean, there are no you're not. This
Speaker 1: is not absurd. There art Oh no, a thing growing owls? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there burrowing Oh my god, I'm never going to be
Speaker 1: outside bearing burrowing owls. Oh my god, I've wasted my
Speaker 1: time checking the trees for like, Oh my gosh, I've
Speaker 1: got to get more. I've only had an owl, helmet
Speaker 1: and helmet when I went out at night, I didn't
Speaker 1: have our Okay, so my guess is a you know,
Speaker 1: my guess is some kind of bird. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I have no idea. It sounds like a digital It
Speaker 1: sounds like one of those birds that SIPs water in
Speaker 1: the window, one of those automatic like birds things, those
Speaker 1: those those mechanical birds, drinky birds that sucked the water. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: those are my two guests, either burrowing owl or one
Speaker 1: of those sippy birds. Very good guesses. Um, The answer
Speaker 1: to this will be revealed next week next winter. It's hell,
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna be here towards for me the
Speaker 1: rest of my life. I'll never tell you. Uh so
Speaker 1: you'll just have to sit with that. Suppose I could listen.
Speaker 1: I could listen. Uh So, if you think you know
Speaker 1: the answer, you can write to me at Creature feature
Speaker 1: Pod at gmail dot com. Chris, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining me today on this very froggy, very ribbedy
Speaker 1: ribbety time. I loved it so fun. Katie, thank you
Speaker 1: very much and I'd come back any time. I really. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is not my wheelhouse, so it's very it's very
Speaker 1: fun to uh you know, I never find myself talking
Speaker 1: about this kind of stuff. Um, and uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: like to share share the wheelhouse. Uh cool. So where
Speaker 1: can people find Jim? Do you have got anything to plug? Sure?
Speaker 1: I got um you can find me at the Crofton show,
Speaker 1: on Instagram or Twitter. Um. I also write an advice
Speaker 1: column called The Advice King for the Nashville Scene, which
Speaker 1: I've been doing for almost eight years now. And um,
Speaker 1: the big news for me is that, um, I have
Speaker 1: a book coming out on Vanderbilt Vanderbilt University Press. It's
Speaker 1: actually an anthology anthology of my advice columns called the
Speaker 1: The Advice King Anthology, The Advice King Anthology, and it
Speaker 1: comes out April fift and you can preorder it now
Speaker 1: from Vanderbilt University Press website. And they started shipping just
Speaker 1: like I just started getting pictures from people that's showing
Speaker 1: that they got them in the map, and I still haven't.
Speaker 1: I don't even have one, but but it's beautiful and
Speaker 1: and I'm so excited. It's it's it's a big, fat
Speaker 1: book of my advice columns, and my advice columns range
Speaker 1: from being just silly to being quite serious, and so
Speaker 1: like that, it's a Pagliacci joke where it's like Pagliacci
Speaker 1: goes to the therapist and it's like, I'm sad. How
Speaker 1: do I get cheered up? And the therapist is like, well,
Speaker 1: there's this great clown that cheers everyone up. And then
Speaker 1: the clown he's like, but I'm that clown. I think
Speaker 1: that's how that joke goes. For you. It's like, like
Speaker 1: I need some advice. It's like, well, have you checked
Speaker 1: out this advice book. It's like, well, that's my advice
Speaker 1: book and I don't even have a copy. Right. That's
Speaker 1: that's a cool problem to have though for me, I'm
Speaker 1: very excited to have that problem. So Yeah, The Advice
Speaker 1: King Anthology on Vanderbilt Universe coming out April April fift that.
Speaker 1: You can preorder it now and you can find the
Speaker 1: show on the internet at Creature feature pot on Instagram
Speaker 1: at creature feet pot on Twitter. That's et. That is
Speaker 1: something very different. And you know I'm I'm Katie Golden,
Speaker 1: so I'm on Twitter too. Just you know, most of
Speaker 1: my tweets have been about Elden Ring latelad, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's just how it is. Sometimes about wondering the game,
Speaker 1: the computer game. Oh okay, right, I pretended to like
Speaker 1: I knew what that was. Um, I figured I figured
Speaker 1: what it is. It's like a fantasy kind of like
Speaker 1: a um, what do you call that? What's another famous
Speaker 1: one of those like I'm not famous enough for me
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. I forget what I'm thinking. One more
Speaker 1: thing I forgot to say. I have I have a
Speaker 1: podcast called Colebrew Got me Like. That's on like you know,
Speaker 1: all the podcast places, and it's good. And I forgot
Speaker 1: to It's a podcast me and my brother do and
Speaker 1: it's called Coldbrew Got me Like, and you can get
Speaker 1: it on all the places. Sorry, I forgot Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it's well now you've said it, um, And I've admitted
Speaker 1: embarrassing facts about me, like that I play magic the
Speaker 1: gathering gather magic was on the computer, and the cards
Speaker 1: instead of being cards, it was like things moving around
Speaker 1: on the screen that hit you with big swords and
Speaker 1: kill you very bad all the time. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that magic the gathering was. I didn't know
Speaker 1: it was a card. But yeah, well I'm gonna check it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop talking about Welcome to my new podcast.
Speaker 1: New podcast that happens at the end of this podcast
Speaker 1: where it's like I explain what computer games are to people. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the world's oldest man. Well, thank you guys so much
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