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Speaker 1: Everybody? Welcome to the Action Network Podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Chris Raybaon and this is our NFC twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: team by Team Preview, Part two. We're gonna go over

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Speaker 1: the NFC West and the NFC North team by team

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Speaker 1: talk about the futures we like win totos division, super Bowls,

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister of Degenerate Nation, Stucky Stuck. We recorded three

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Speaker 1: of these already. This is the fourth one, the final one.

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Speaker 1: How you feeling good.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited to talk the NFC. NFC West and

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Speaker 2: NFC North, I think are arguably the two most interesting

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, especially if you think that the Eagles may take

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Speaker 1: that kind of opens things up, and I think a

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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna get three teams in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So let's talk about it. Let's start in

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Speaker 1: the West and the Niners are a team that I

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Speaker 1: their win total it's kind of around ten flat. You know,

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Speaker 1: you over is juiced up. Over ten and a half

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Speaker 2: What who that I was looking into this today? The

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Speaker 2: training staff for the Niners has been the same staff

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Speaker 2: for like six years. What is going on there? They

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Speaker 2: had one healthy year and they went to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: But they're hoping that this is like a twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: situation after the Super Bowl they had six wins. Next year,

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Speaker 2: That's happened twenty straight years, NFC Championship, or missed the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's picul that's no other, no other, that's

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Speaker 1: That's ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. So you're going back to, like, well,

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Speaker 1: when's the last time they didn't like was it was

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Speaker 2: That's it. So every year since two thousand and two

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Speaker 2: And they're situation right now about Dice Heer, who's everyone

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Speaker 2: But their schedule is the easiest the NFL. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I I I don't necessarily thick up selling the forty

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Speaker 1: Before we go to the Cardinals, and we'll tuck the

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Speaker 1: Rams too. I actually like buying a dip for the Niners,

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Speaker 1: like super Bowl twenty to one. I'll take that because,

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Speaker 2: And the team last year before all the disasters in yes,

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Speaker 1: and we expect the Eagles to take a step back.

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Speaker 1: It's wide open, yeah, exactly. And the Niners they do

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Speaker 1: I don't want them winning. I don't want them to

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Speaker 1: Now it's a little bit more juice to over eight

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mentioned this on our podcast three months ago

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Speaker 2: that I'm buying the Cardinals across the board. I played

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Speaker 2: them to make the playoffs, win the division, and over

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Speaker 2: I mean I project them a nine wins, So not

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Speaker 2: the forty nine of situation is violatile. Stafford which will

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Speaker 2: they from add a perspective, they were the most improved

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Speaker 2: The defensive line has been decimated and the defensive line

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Speaker 2: was not good last year, and it was in what

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Speaker 2: and it's probably one of the it's probably the most

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Speaker 1: No, I agree. I think they're set up really well

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I was That's what throw me off about Stafford.

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Speaker 2: I'm i project them at like nine point two. I've

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Speaker 2: downgraded them a bit because these injury concerns recently, so

434
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Speaker 2: I would lean under, but not enough to bet it.

435
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: I have a lot of too much respect for McVeigh

436
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: and I want to get some more info on on

437
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 2: Stafford in this injury situation. But that's keep me off

438
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 2: buying them, and one of the reasons I wanted to buy.

439
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 2: I would recommend buying some upside on the on the Cardinals,

440
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: but uh yeah, it's the past that I'm worried about

441
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 2: and the offensive health. The offense is healthy, this is

442
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: the top ten offensive. The defense could be good enough.

443
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 2: Special teams are a bit of a concern, but and

444
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 2: the schedule will get easier than last year, which helps.

445
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Speaker 2: But it's all about the Stafford and lesser extent, Jackson

446
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 2: health because his team, if they're gonna win, it's McVay

447
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 2: and they it's how they win. They went with offense.

448
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 2: They're not gonna win with their defense and their defensive

449
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 2: line and line back. Their edge rushers can make enough

450
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: plays if their offense is good, but if their offense

451
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Speaker 2: is hurt and not as good, then this team isn't

452
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Speaker 2: going to the playoffs. So it's just all eyes on

453
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Speaker 2: the Stafford situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like I like the upside with the Rams. It's,

455
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Speaker 1: you know, because we'll get to the the NFC North momentarily,

456
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Speaker 1: and I think with that division you could talk yourself

457
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Speaker 1: into pretty much any one of those teams. But if

458
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Speaker 1: you just look back in the NFC, it's it's either

459
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Speaker 1: the Eagles or it's Shanahan McVay. That's just kind of

460
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Speaker 1: what happens, and it all kind of plays into each other.

461
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Speaker 1: Because I like buying this division in general in different ways.

462
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Speaker 1: Because you mentioned probably three teams are gonna get in

463
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Speaker 1: in one of these divisions, I think more people might

464
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Speaker 1: think it's the North, and the way the schedule sets up,

465
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Speaker 1: it's easy for all these teams even though they play

466
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Speaker 1: each other, which is is rare. So I think this

467
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Speaker 1: division is a goodbye. I like the Cardinals regular season.

468
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Speaker 1: I like the Rams. I still like the Rams for

469
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Speaker 1: you know, high upside super Bowl as well, because if

470
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Speaker 1: everything goes right, I think their defense will overachieve. I

471
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Speaker 1: think it has over to you. But in a sense

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Speaker 1: like that I'm complimenting. I think Shula does a good

473
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Speaker 1: job and I think, you know, like every year we

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Speaker 1: kind of look at the Rams. I feel like we've

475
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Speaker 1: been looking at the Rams like, oh man, their defense

476
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Speaker 1: is there's something something's always up with them, either it's

477
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Speaker 1: offensively defensively, and somehow they still seem to overachieve compared

478
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Speaker 1: to what it looks like on paper. So uh yeah,

479
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Speaker 1: I want to. I want to. I want the upside

480
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Speaker 1: with the Rams player if they get to the playoffs,

481
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Speaker 1: I think they'll be dangerous. But I don't I agree

482
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Speaker 1: with you on the Yes, yeah they could have. I

483
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: mean it came down to a couple of plays right

484
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Speaker 1: right at the end in the in the red zone.

485
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Speaker 1: So uh yeah, the Rams are upside team for me,

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Speaker 1: are more of the regular season Darwin. Uh and then

487
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: the the Niners are also the upside team. So that

488
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Speaker 1: was the Seahawks, and I mean your your guy from

489
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Speaker 1: Baltimore as the head coach, mc Mike McDonald and you know,

490
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Speaker 1: defensive minded guy went goes ten and seven in his

491
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Speaker 1: first year head coaching and somehow, but it still when

492
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Speaker 1: I look at this team though, I still see a

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Speaker 1: very low floor. Do you do you agree with that

494
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Speaker 1: or do you think this team is more of a

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Speaker 1: five hundred team that could challenge for the division, kind

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Speaker 1: of like Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I there's some things I like

498
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Speaker 2: about you. I mean Seattle last year, I there were

499
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Speaker 2: over I kind of got a bit lucky. I mean

500
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Speaker 2: they finished eighteenth TVO and they were pretty much as

501
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Speaker 2: they were a subpar team last year. They got pretty lucky.

502
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: I mean they went six and two and one score games.

503
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: They only beat two playoff teams. It was Nicks in

504
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Speaker 2: week one in his first start, and then in week

505
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 2: eighteen when the Rams there.

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Speaker 1: And then and and Gino did.

507
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know a lot of musons there. So the defense,

508
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: they thought he did his job there. They improved from

509
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Speaker 2: twenty eight to tenth Eboa, and they improved a lot

510
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: during the season. He kind of tweaked. He tweaked some things.

511
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Speaker 2: He got his linebacker room that he wanted. And then

512
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Speaker 2: in the back, the back end, you know, they made

513
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: some changes, you know, putting Brian at free safety and

514
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: a number of schematic changes that really paid dividends. And

515
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Speaker 2: he kind of Okay, it's a complex defense. Guys started

516
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: to get it. They pretty much bring everyone back. They

517
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: swap Jones for Lawrence. So this defense on paper should

518
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Speaker 2: be a top ten unit. I don't really have any

519
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: qualms there now defenses are in consistent year to year

520
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: secondary players, so maybe not, but you gotta there's nothing

521
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: really to nipick about this defensive McDonald does there. The

522
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 2: offense last year was a mess, mainly because of the

523
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Speaker 2: offensive line and what grubbed. It didn't really fit with

524
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Speaker 2: what this offensive line did. That's where I think there's

525
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 2: some upside. Like Kubiak comes in, you're gonna get more

526
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: play action motion outside zone, a higher run rate. Like

527
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: last year they were twenty sixth and play action twentieth

528
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: in motion. That should change. And I think that the

529
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: offensive line is like a good fit with what he

530
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: wants to do. This outside zone running scheme and they're

531
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Speaker 2: off the runs is good in the preseason and like

532
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 2: gray Zabel, that's what they do at North Dakota State,

533
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: I think this Sundale might win the center spot again

534
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: North Dakota State guy like that's they run outside zone

535
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: and it might be a really good fit this offense,

536
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: like cause that's my biggest question. Their tackles are decent enough.

537
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: It's the interior offensive line like Bradford or it's not

538
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: any good that Bright guard. But if they hit on

539
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: Sundell and Zabel schematically, I think this offense could be better.

540
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: Now the weapons got worse. Like you brought in Cup

541
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: and lost DK. That's a down, and then you lost

542
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: Lockett and brought in MVS. That's probably wash.

543
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: Horton works probably better than all those guys.

544
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 2: That's how I was just going to that's my guy.

545
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: Everyone knows Coles pod. I love Tory Horton. He was

546
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 2: my guy. I love betting him. It's been a lot

547
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: of hype there. He could be the guy. So if

548
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 2: Orton hits, this offensive line is better and it's a

549
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: better schematic fit. This offense could be feisty, and we

550
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: know the defense is probably gonna be pretty good. I

551
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: also like even Warrey, that's he's a freak. I think

552
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: McDonald's gonna do some really good things with him at

553
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: safety because that but that the whole key is this

554
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: offensive line, because they need the interior to hit. It's

555
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: like everything I'm watching is Abel and then this center battle,

556
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: which I think Sondell is gonna win it. But uh,

557
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: because it's uh Donald a quarterback he cannot have. You

558
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: cannot have a bad interior offensive line and have Donald

559
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: and expect to do things. So yeah, it could go

560
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: downhill quick if this offensive line doesn't hit, and you know,

561
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: Horton isn't the guy, because then your weapons outside of

562
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: jess Enter dicey. But if this running game with this

563
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: new scheme and this centier offensive line hits, and then

564
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: there's some potential and you have the defense. So they're

565
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: the Seahawks are interesting to me, but I think they're

566
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: clearly the fourth best team going in. But they're gonna battle.

567
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: I project them at eight four, so I show a

568
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: little value in the over. Not quite there yet, h

569
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: I just want to see how this offensive line battle

570
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: heads down. I don't really I don't know if I

571
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: trust Donald fully, but there's some intriguing things about Seattle

572
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: this year that I think they could be better than

573
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: some thing something. They're just going to be a disaster.

574
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: Don't necessarily think that'll be the case.

575
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I don't. I think they'll have a

576
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: I think they have the floor to be an absolute disaster,

577
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: and I think Donald is the chief concern because the

578
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: offense would be better.

579
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: Play calling wise. Donald deserves this, Like last he had

580
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: was in such bad situations and then last year we

581
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: got the perfect situation and he was in bad coaching,

582
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: bad offensive lines, and maybe the offensive is bad again

583
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: this year. But I'm a little more optimistic and now

584
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: he gets like McDonald Kubiak, it's a good situation like that.

585
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: I think that raises their floor with the with the

586
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: coaching on this team. I think they upgraded the offensive

587
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 2: coordinator just fit wise and scheme wise. I think it's

588
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: better made for the college game. So we'll see, but

589
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: I do think there's a little floor for sure with

590
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: Arnold and this offensive line, and maybe the defense isn't

591
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: as good that. Like we said, we can't just guarantee

592
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 2: the defense could be top ten again. Uh.

593
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: What worries me is, so, you know, the the Rams

594
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: were able to you know, kind of look at that

595
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: Whyan game plan from last season in the you know,

596
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: in the finally the regular season, and the line's defense

597
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: was just all sorts of banged up, and the Rams

598
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: were able to just kind of replicate it and completely

599
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: destroyed Donald then. Now so like now it's like it's

600
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: like in the division, it's like I just feel like

601
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: that's it's gonna come down to these division games, because

602
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, there could it could be on those situations

603
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: kind of almost like a to a situation where it's

604
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't get any better than the last year with Darnov,

605
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: and it very well might not. I mean, we've we've

606
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: kind of seen him up to this point in his career.

607
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: He didn't have struggles early. Mentally after how he closed

608
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: last year, it's another question. And then you've got Milroe,

609
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: who the fans I'm sure are going to be calling for,

610
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: even though he could end up being richardson two point zero.

611
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, the floor is low, but I agree. I

612
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: think I think if if Horton hits and Donald could

613
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: kind of just if they haven't figured him out and

614
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: they can, they can kind of figure ways to get

615
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: around them just playing those same coverages that they played

616
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: the last two games, then they'll they'll be feisty. But

617
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: the schedule, it's they depend on the division a lot

618
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: more than the other three teams, who it kind of

619
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Speaker 1: sets up like, Okay, these teams just have easy schedules

620
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: and then regardless of what happens in the division, they

621
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Speaker 1: should all still be about five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Like the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: They need to they need to be able to beat

624
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Speaker 1: the Rams and at home or you know, stealing from

625
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: the Niners or the you know, beat the Cardinals, things

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Speaker 2: Is who I mean.

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Speaker 1: Everyone has a different a different flavor that they like

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Speaker 1: in the in the NFC North. Let's start with the

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Speaker 1: let's start with the Detroit Lions coming out that embarrassing

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Speaker 1: loss to the Commanders. Their win total is right round ten.

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00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: It's nine and a half juiced up. I think that's sharp,

649
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: because I do think the Lions take a step back.

650
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: We've we both felt strongly that way three months ago.

651
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: How are you feeling about Detroit now that we're a

652
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: little closer to the regular season. And I will say,

653
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: just for people that may have not heard, I thought

654
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: it was interesting that Amon Ross Brown said their offense

655
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: has been struggling, because you know, you wouldn't know it otherwise,

656
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: but that was an interesting comment. But yes, how are

657
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: feeling about you? Trade now that we're a couple of

658
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: weeks out?

659
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: Sell sell sell selling the lines under ten and a

660
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: half's what I played a couple months ago, get it,

661
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: I project nine to six, but so under ten and

662
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: a half, even if it's juiced a bit, so.

663
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: Like yeah, juiced, I mind that.

664
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yes, they were unlucky last year defensively

665
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: with their injuries, but they were lucky everywhere else. I

666
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: mean seven and two and one score games they won

667
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: basically like four games and the final minutes, fumbles, red zone,

668
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: you name, it Now you lose your coordinators. Ben Johnson

669
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: loss is massive. You lose Rag now, you lose Zeitler.

670
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: Your interior offensive line now, which you need for golf,

671
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: is a major question by the way they're moving, so

672
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to just completely inexperienced guards. You have

673
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: Glasgott a center who we got carted off today. So

674
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 2: I don't know that we're recording this now. I don't

675
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: have an update, but lower leg injury. We'll see how

676
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: that goes. That could be disastrous. There's gonna be more

677
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: interior pressure. Plus there's four more outdoor golf games and

678
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: there were last year brutal, brutal road schedule, So I

679
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: mean that everyone in this division has a tough schedule

680
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 2: because this division is so good. But I mean their

681
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: road games are at Green Bay, at Baltimore, at the Bengals,

682
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: at the Chiefs, at Washington, at Philly, at the Rams,

683
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: at the Vikings, at the Bears outdoors last game of

684
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: the year. I mean, that is as bad as it gets.

685
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 2: Division's tough, but I think the Johnson offensive line loss

686
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: combo in the interior. With golf having to play outdoors

687
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: more's this offense is going to take a step back.

688
00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 2: Defense could be feisty, but coordinator questions. I don't think

689
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: that they're going to be as opportunistic as they were

690
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: last year, benefited from a lot of turnovers, and ah,

691
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: I'm not as high as some on this defense. So yeah,

692
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: I'm selling the Lions still a good team, they have

693
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: a good roster, and I'm still projecting when nine point

694
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: six games, but definitely going under ten and a half.

695
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's another one of those situations where

696
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: it's offensive line and depth kind of you know, our

697
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: little mass where the offensive eye could take a big

698
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: step back. I mean, you're talking about just a whole

699
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: new interier line essentially, especially if this Glasgow injury is

700
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: serious and he wasn't He wasn't good last year either,

701
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: but he's the.

702
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: Worst off at the lineman and now, yeah, were starting

703
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: at center, a new position. You got a rookie Ratlids

704
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: who I'm not that high on. And then Mahogany's rarely

705
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: played at the other guard spot. Decker's back, but he's

706
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: been dealing with injury. He's like, but it's uh.

707
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: And then the defense also, I mean, yeah, what Hutchinson

708
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: coming off injury, Pascal is what he's gonna be out Davenport.

709
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: You can't really trust him to stay healthy. There's an

710
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: upside because you got you did ad read you know.

711
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: I think that secondary with Branch and Joseph and uh

712
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, the linebackers like it. There's a lot of

713
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: upside on the defense. But we've seen how it can

714
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: look when guys starting down.

715
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: He's out for the year two, he towards a clo uh.

716
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yeah, No, it's the defense

717
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: is already banged up and we know the floor. So

718
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: the fact that the offense I think has a lower

719
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: floor and the schedule got harder and the division got better.

720
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 2: Uh.

721
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: I bet the lines to miss the playoffs at plus

722
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: two something. Now he's down a plus one forty. I

723
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: don't really like it there anymore. I think that's little.

724
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: It's not really you're not really doing anything, tying your

725
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: money up for that one and that kind of But

726
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: I do think the Lions are a fade and own I.

727
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: Think I always own own Ownski.

728
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: It's not I don't think it's okay. I think that

729
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: sounds I think big monogany.

730
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, we're selling the lines.

731
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, packers they are, they're plus one fifteen to miss

732
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: the playoffs. They are injured at wide receiver, but could

733
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: somehow they could still be better at wide receiver if

734
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: Matthew Golden hits, because I don't think they like the

735
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: receiver room very much. Last year we were joking about,

736
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: you know, bow melting and moving a corner. But now,

737
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: I mean, Wicks has been missing camp. I know Dov

738
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: has been banged up at times. Watson is going to

739
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: start the year out. Yet you got Golden and.

740
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: Reid doesn't read it up though.

741
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah he's been, Yeah, he's been. I'm saying if he

742
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: because the thing with Reed is he was only averaging

743
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, he's averaging under five targets by handle last year,

744
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: so it's he's only got to play in uh, you know,

745
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: three wide sets. So as long as he's available for that,

746
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: you could be better at receiver. Thought Jordan Love was

747
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: played hurt most of last year and still had a.

748
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 2: Pretty good year. He was top five and metrics so unlucky. Yeah,

749
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: we love Love, we know that.

750
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then and then the defense improved

751
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: without without who's it Barry there? So I mean, but

752
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: the package they've lost to everyone better than them essentially too.

753
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: So that that was that what do you what do

754
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: you see for them this year? Given that now we

755
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: expect Detroit to take a step back, So maybe those

756
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: losses turn into wins.

757
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I buying I project nine point nine. But

758
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: there's a lot of injuries and a lot of uncertainty

759
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: with this team. I like buying the upside. I happened

760
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl. It's my only Super Bowl

761
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 2: future as so right now. I so like, Yeah, I'm

762
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: a love guy. I think he played well given the

763
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: circumstances last year. I'm a believer in love. I believe

764
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: in love. I'm gonna do this again. Yeah. So yeah,

765
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: the wide receivers, a lot of injuries. Will see how

766
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 2: it shakes out. Adding Golden I think helps. But they

767
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: there's a ton of peace there. They just have to

768
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: figure out they to stop dropping the ball. The offensive line,

769
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: how does that shake out? I don't I don't know that.

770
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: There's no depth, so they can't have injuries like you cannot.

771
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: You can't have Jenkins. Who Jenkins out is gonna take

772
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 2: over Myers at center? He's back. That was a question.

773
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: I think he can be like a Pro Bowl type center,

774
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: but it's a new new position. But they bring in

775
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: Banks at left guard. The right tackle you're set with

776
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: Tom left tackle is a battle between Walker and Morgan.

777
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: I think Morgan's gonna win it. Do they kick Walker

778
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: inside for Ryan? I don't know. But there's like if

779
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: Jenkins goes down, this thing all falls apart. Like if

780
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: if one of the guards goes down, it's like Belton

781
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: I think would be the I don't. It's so the

782
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: offense line's got to stay healthy and these pieces have

783
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: to come together, but they're there, so like there's a

784
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: lot of upside for this offense, and you have a

785
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: really good head coach in the floor who I trust. Defense,

786
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: Gord Lowe.

787
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: Got sacked fourteen times in fifteen games, and he was.

788
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: Hurt yep and and the center play was bad, and yeah,

789
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: that he played well given the circumstances defensively. I loved

790
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: the hire of Halfley, and he did some tremendous things

791
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: last year, especially considering the Alexander was never healthy. They

792
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: didn't they didn't have a natural pass rush. They were

793
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 2: number one in the NFL in pressure rate when they

794
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 2: he schemed uplitzes, so like it was a lot of scheme.

795
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: Can they get a better pass rush? Like can van

796
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 2: Ness be a guy? Why I like buying the Packers.

797
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: Apparently they got a good deal on the table for Parsons,

798
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: another reason to potentially buy him. I don't know Parsons

799
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: is gonna go on anywhere? Could it be there? I

800
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: could see it. This is all about how the secondary

801
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: plays out. Safety fine with it. They're good there with

802
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 2: Williams and McKinney. How do the corners come together because

803
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: now Hobbs is hurt. I don't know if he's gonna

804
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: be ready week one. So you need Valentine and Nixon,

805
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: who I like to be but they're like everyone is

806
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: kind of a slot. But Dixon could play on the

807
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: outside down time, will probably play something. You might have

808
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 2: to play outside now, I don't know. The depth isn't great.

809
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 2: Are they gonna need Melton? But this how the corners

810
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: come together and whether or not they're healthy is massive.

811
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: That's like the biggest question for me on this team.

812
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: But uh, and then the special teams like don't be

813
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: a disaster and Mick McManus is missing kicks today and

814
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: all kinds of kicks in camp. But I love the

815
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: upside of this team of a buyer on the upside,

816
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: but there's there's variants with this offensive line, wide receiver injuries,

817
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: the corners staying healthy and coming together. Can they get

818
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 2: a more natural pass rush because the defense last year,

819
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: you got it. I have to be honest, they benefited

820
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: from turnovers. I'm not going to get that same benefit

821
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: as they did last year. Mckinnie's not going to pick

822
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: off a pass every other drive. So they got to

823
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 2: take a step. They got to get a better pass rush.

824
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: I would love for them to go out and get

825
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: Hendrickson or Parsons. I think it would do so much

826
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 2: for this defense and what Hathley can do. But I'm

827
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: not buying the win total, not buying the division I'm going.

828
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: I think I see the upside, but there's also some

829
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: downside of this team. I'm going for the long shot

830
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: Packers win the Super Bowl.

831
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that one team that I like that as well.

832
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: There's that one team outside of you know, the Shanahans

833
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: and mcvay's and the Eagles. I think they have a

834
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: really good shot because I think they can. We've seen

835
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: them going a crazy like Jordan Love going a crazy

836
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: run before and the way setting up his receivers could

837
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: be healthy in the second half of the season. You know,

838
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: maybe that offensive line takes time to Joe, but I

839
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: do like that. You know, he has shown to avoid sacks.

840
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: His receivers will probably get healthier as the year progresses.

841
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: So this could be a team that there might even

842
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: be a better opportunity to buy at some point in

843
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: the season, maybe you know, after they play Philly, maybe

844
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: they're sitting around five hundred and they make a run

845
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: or something like that. So yeah, I like the upside

846
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: of Green Bay too, but it could go either way

847
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: because I think the Corners could be bad.

848
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, very bad.

849
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Vikings are twenty five to one to win

850
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Bears Bears are forty five to one. Uh,

851
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: I like the Bay. I don't think there's a big

852
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: gap or as big a gap as people think between

853
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: the Bears and the Vikings, especially because of what the

854
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: Bears did coaching wise, offensive line wise. But how are

855
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: you how you how do you see those two teams

856
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: in the You know, the the gap? Is there a

857
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: gap between them? Who do you have power?

858
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: Raiding higher?

859
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: And by how much?

860
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: I'm a Bears backer this year? So that's a couple

861
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: months ago. I project them right around eight and a

862
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: half each. I have the Vikings slightly power rated ahead

863
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: of the Bears, so and they both have top five

864
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: part of schedules. I'm very close, but I think that

865
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: the Bears have higher upside two good. Now. I like

866
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: both their staffs, but I think I don't think McCarthy's

867
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: ready to like lead them to It's here's the thing.

868
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: I don't think Williams is ready to lead them to

869
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl either. I have more questions about the

870
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: Vikings defense than I actually do the Bears defense. That

871
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: might sound crazy. Flores might be able to fix it all.

872
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: They should have a better pass rush this year, but

873
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: the secondary worries me immensely. And now you have and

874
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: look the Bears. People don't like the Bears defense. You

875
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: gotta remember last year with the Bears, and we'll talk

876
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 2: about their offense, but their rundy went down the tubes

877
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: when Billings got hurt and he was out. The rundy

878
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: also got hurt from Brisker not being back there and

879
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: they missed him. Now there are questions about Johnson and

880
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 2: Gordon being healthy for Week one. That's something the monitor.

881
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: They need them to be because I mean, maybe he's off.

882
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: Frasier's a guy I liked him in college, but Terrell

883
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: Smith's now out for the year, so the depth is

884
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: very shaky. They just need their secondary to be healthy.

885
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 2: The linebackers are good. You got Sweat, you added Jarrett

886
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: and like they had, like the beef in the middle

887
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: now with Billings and Dexter to be good enough against

888
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: the run. And I think their their secondary is good enough.

889
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: I have questions about the Viking secondary. They can maybe

890
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: scheme Flores just a mad scientist scheme his way out

891
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: of it. But I also think Williams. I'd trust Williams

892
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: more than I do McCarthy now, because I haven't seen

893
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 2: anything from McCarthy. I think I also have quit more

894
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: questions about the Vikings offensive line than the Bears offensive line,

895
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: mainly due to injuries. So the Bears went out they

896
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: probably the most improved offensive line in the NFL. You

897
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: add Toney, you add Dolmon, you add Jackson. We'll see

898
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: how Jones and Right do with the tackles. But I

899
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 2: think the offensive line is good enough. The Vikings also

900
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: overhould their offensive line, and you have Darrisol back, but

901
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys with injury questions, like how

902
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: is Darresol healthy right away? Freeze is dealing with an

903
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: injury recovering. Kelly has been injured, so and then you're

904
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: gonna have a rookie guard. So I think there's a

905
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: little more uncertainty on the Vikings offensive line. And then

906
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: the Vikings have better weapons at receiver, although the Bears

907
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: are are pretty solid there. If Dunsay takes a jump,

908
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: you add Burden, you add Loveland to comment more. I

909
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: would like to see the matter running back, which they

910
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: might do. But the Vikings you have Addison suspended, you

911
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: have Rager's hurt now and like.

912
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: Now now, I mean he's he's probably not, he's struggling

913
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: for a job in LA, but they might.

914
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: Do so I think that they might go get like

915
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: feeling is maybe why they got rid of Phillips. But

916
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: these two teams are close. But with the rookie quarterback,

917
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: I much prefer the Bears. There's there's a lot of

918
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: questions with this Vikings team. And by the way, the

919
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: Vikings like last year and they forced thirty three turnovers,

920
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: so they can be able to do that again. Doubtful.

921
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: They were nine to one in one possession games. The

922
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 2: schedule gets tougher, ah, you know, and like I mentioned,

923
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: Addison suspended the first three. There's some offensive line injury questions.

924
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: You need a rookie to hit there. There's a lot

925
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: of variants on this offensive line. I'd like the defensive

926
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: line additions, you know, Hargreave, Allen, you lose Phillips, but

927
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: the cornerbacks major question. Maybee and Flora's just override that.

928
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: You gotta love the staff, but I ben Johnson is

929
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: gonna do wonders for this Bears offense. They're much more

930
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: serious organization. Last year was a joke and just go

931
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: back to the Thanksgiving game. So I get there's a

932
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: lot of height. Maybe I'm falling for it, but count

933
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: me in on the Bears. I bet them. I don't

934
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 2: see them in like the Super Bowl or the NFC

935
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 2: this year. I like the Packers for the higher upside,

936
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: but I did play the Bears over and to make

937
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: the playoffs.

938
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that Bears over at eight and you

939
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: can get eight and a half at plus money and

940
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: the vikings. I find it interesting that I think the

941
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: Bears are clearly the bye, because yes, these teams are

942
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: somewhat close. There's uncertainty there with the quarterbacks. But remember

943
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: going into last season the Vikings, everyone was down on

944
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: the Vikings. The Vikings, I think, didn't their win total

945
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: hit like six or something. Once It was gonna be

946
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: Darnold and McCarthy last year. Yeah, and you know, then

947
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: they surprise people. And I don't think that came as

948
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: a big surprise, but you know, now, I feel like

949
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: it's just a little bit of an over correction where

950
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: we're putting too much faith in McCarthy and it's everything's

951
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: kind of priced in, and it's this is really just

952
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: a probably a five hundred caliber team in the Vikings

953
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: that just does better because of their coaching staff some years.

954
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: And this year it's just gonna be tough because the division.

955
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: There's no easy outs in the division coaching wise. In

956
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: the division, you got Campbell, you got the Flooring, you

957
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: got Ben Johnson. Now, I mean there's no easy outs

958
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 1: coaching wise. You're not gonna coach circles around anyone. So yeah,

959
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: I think I'm selling the Vikings. I don't like the

960
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: fact that even Jefferson has been hurt. Aaron Jones is declining.

961
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: You know, Mason, he was great last year, but are

962
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: they gonna give him the carries? How how quick will

963
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: they be to go away from Jones if he struggles?

964
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: Hockinson wasn't the same last year. Will he bounce back

965
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: or is that just who he is now? The injury

966
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: take its toll. And then the fact that they signed

967
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: Oliver to the big to the extension means they're they're

968
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: already maybe a little worried about either the receivers or

969
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: McCarthy or did they want to go a little heavier.

970
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, I see, I see some morning signs with

971
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: the Vikers, and then yeah, they're gonna be relying on

972
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: like Rogers that corner, which that could go either way.

973
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: Murphy's been inconsistent at times. So who else is there?

974
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: Like O Kuda, I think is there now? H Yeah,

975
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: I see a lot. I see a wide range of outcomes,

976
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: but I want to fade them in a year like

977
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: this when I think, especially given the fact that this

978
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: division is so competitive, I can't I can't go. I

979
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: can't get there at the Vike with the Vikings to

980
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: be above five hundred team. I can get there with

981
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: the Bears. So yeah, that's easy, easy fade for the Vikings,

982
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: easy play on the Bears for me.

983
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and going overseas for a couple of weeks.

984
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, it's and yeah, I have a lot of

985
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: respect for koc but we've seen this before, right, It's

986
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: like you go, didn't they go like fourteen and three

987
00:51:58,760 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: one year and then.

988
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: One in ten in one possession games and then nine

989
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: and one like last year, and a Yeah, I don't

990
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 2: think McCarthy's ready yet. We'll see if he's the guy,

991
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: but I don't think he's ready just yet.

992
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean I think he could have

993
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: he could be fine and the efficient season, Yes, weapons.

994
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 2: But the weapons are hurt. The offensive line is injury question.

995
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 2: So like there's there's some uncertainty around him, more so

996
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: than there was going into last year.

997
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, And again last year was probably a

998
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: better team on paper. Their win total was like a

999
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: couple of wins lower, and you know, and the division

1000
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: wasn't good. So yeah, I think I think this is

1001
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: that that's a fade. So recap what you got NFC

1002
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: West and then the North West.

1003
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: We're gonna buying the Cardinals, Cardinals over Cardinals make the playoffs.

1004
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 2: Maybe throw a little in the division n if North

1005
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 2: Bears over Bears playoffsprinkle a little in the division lines

1006
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: under super Bowl, Packers by the by the upside, the

1007
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: extreme upside.

1008
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that, Cardinals play on the wind total

1009
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: I like, I like upside for the Niners and Rams

1010
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: super Bowl. I still think especially the Niners.

1011
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: I think.

1012
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: I think the Rams you could probably wait at this

1013
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: point and see see what's going on with Stafford. But

1014
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: the Niners, I think I like buying the dip Now

1015
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think, I think. I think things

1016
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: can only improve and it might not be as bad

1017
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,959
Speaker 1: as it looks. It's just a lot of inconsequential guys

1018
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: are banged up, which does speak poorly to the staff.

1019
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: But that's a whole another issue. Uh. And then NFC

1020
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 1: North like the Bears, win total over, like the Vikings,

1021
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: win total under like like Packers super Bowl as well,

1022
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: Uh bet that already. And Lions I want to fade

1023
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: in some way. I initially I faded them was to

1024
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: miss the playoffs. That I forget the exact number I

1025
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 1: got it, but I know it was plus at least

1026
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: plus two hundred. I don't love love it where it's at,

1027
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: so stay tuned on at uh, but definitely want to

1028
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 1: sell on the Wines and Vikings and buying the Bears

1029
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: and the Packers. All right, that is going to do it.

1030
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,200
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1031
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: be sure to check out our AFC preview episodes out

1032
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: now and NFC Part one where we go over the

1033
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: NFC East and the NFC South.

1034
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,360
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1035
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,360
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