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Speaker 1: H Hello friends, I'm Robert Evans, and this is once

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Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you

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Speaker 1: everything you don't know about the very worst people in

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Speaker 1: all of history. Today with me my guest, who is

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Speaker 1: Who's coming in cold to our tale of a Bastard

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Speaker 1: is Beza Dabu, an actor on the Shy and and

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Speaker 1: How to Get Away with Murder? How are you doing today?

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Speaker 1: I'm great? How are you? I'm doing good? So you

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Speaker 1: also wanted me to note that you're an activist. You

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Speaker 1: of what I do is I work on ways to

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Speaker 1: of color, and LGBTQ populations in the media and the arts.

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Speaker 1: for populations that haven't been represented on TV and film

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Speaker 1: as much as they should be. That's awesome, So obviously,

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Speaker 1: our our listeners right now we're holding them hostage a

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Speaker 1: little bit to get to the story. Uh. And I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of shows do an ad plug. Now,

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Speaker 1: that's happening. Um, the Chicago Inclusion Project does the company

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Speaker 1: stuff like that on my on all my social channels. Okay,

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Speaker 1: check out Bais Odds social media and yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get into the story. Now, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: You're ready to talk about a bastard? Uh? Do you

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Speaker 1: know who? Jayer boltson arrow Is. I've heard about him

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I keep hearing that he's sort of

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Speaker 1: like the Trump of Brazil. Yeah, and it's frustrating because

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Speaker 1: I think that, like, just because of where we are

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Speaker 1: in America politically, it now any time a populist gets

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Speaker 1: because it makes us understand down to the brass tacks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he reminds me more of a guy like Rodrigo dou

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Speaker 1: to be honest, This is part of why I'm frusted

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Speaker 1: and people call him like the Brazilian Trump, because's like, no,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump wishes he could get away with saying this

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Speaker 1: kind of ship. Really, I mean maybe in a year

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Speaker 1: kind of things that Bolsonnaro is saying. But it's pretty intense, alright.

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Speaker 1: So on March one, one day and thirty three years

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Speaker 1: before my birthday, if you're keeping track, listeners, A Linda Bontii,

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Speaker 1: a woman in Luce Ario, Sal Paul, Brazil, gave birth

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Speaker 1: to a squirming and blood covered baby named JayR Messiest Bolsonaro.

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Speaker 1: This little squealing baby would eventually grow into the squealing

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Speaker 1: President of Brazil, JayR Bulsonnaro. His route to what really

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Speaker 1: seems like it might be absolute power is one that

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Speaker 1: by now pretty familiar. I'm gonna quote from a Time

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Speaker 1: politically incorrect, but bilson Naro goes way way further. In

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Speaker 1: So this kind of guy we're talking about. What's interesting

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Speaker 1: and it's it is interesting and in an important story.

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Speaker 1: though boson Naro is, you know, a conservative. They all,

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Speaker 1: I think recognize that as autocrats and want to be dictators,

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious on why the people of Brazil we're

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Speaker 1: his political opponents. So we're gonna get into that in

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Speaker 1: I believe it's supposed to be something like JayR Bosonaro,

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Speaker 1: do know Jaire's parents originally wanted to name him Messiest,

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Speaker 1: he said publicly, quote, I am in favor of a dictatorship.

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Speaker 1: This is like Bisonnaro gets elected to Congress in ninety

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Speaker 1: one and then supports returning to a dictatorship like this

427
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Speaker 1: is This is the beginning of his political Life. That's

428
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Speaker 1: the line he's taking. Um. Now, he was obviously a

429
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Speaker 1: fringe figure at this point in Brazilian politics. You might

430
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Speaker 1: think about him as sort of like a Brazilian Ron Paul,

431
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Speaker 1: but with even less mainstream appeal. Bosonaro's main claim to

432
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Speaker 1: fame is that he openly and repeatedly stated that the

433
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Speaker 1: dictatorship had been an awesome time and that the government

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Speaker 1: should go back to doing that. In n first year

435
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Speaker 1: as a congressman, in response to the president attempting to

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Speaker 1: privatize some state assets, Congressman Bolsonaro said this on Life

437
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Speaker 1: television like right after this, So the presidents attempting to

438
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Speaker 1: privatize some state assets. Bolson arrog gets asked about it,

439
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Speaker 1: and he says, quote, through the vote, you will not

440
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Speaker 1: change anything in this country, right, nothing, absolutely nothing. You

441
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 1: will only change, unfortunately on the day when we begin

442
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Speaker 1: a civil war here inside and doing the job that

443
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Speaker 1: the military regime didn't do, killing thirty thou beginning with

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Speaker 1: the president. If some innocence die, all right, and every

445
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Speaker 1: war innocent people die. I would even be happy if

446
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Speaker 1: I died as long as thirty thousand others died with me.

447
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Speaker 1: He's thanos, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's Thanos. That's

448
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Speaker 1: how he starts his political career, is fucking Fano. Yeah,

449
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Speaker 1: we need to kill a shipload of people because like go,

450
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Speaker 1: Mora asks him too, She's like, well, what if you

451
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Speaker 1: die in the snap too. He's like, then I die

452
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Speaker 1: in the snap too, but half of us are gone. Yeah,

453
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Speaker 1: that's that's JayR Fanos Bolsonnero. I mean messiest kind of right,

454
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not a jare Fanos Messiest Bolsoniro. Yeah,

455
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Speaker 1: that's a new nickname for him. There you go. It's

456
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: worth noting that when Bolsonnio advocated the murder of the

457
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Speaker 1: president on the start of a new civil war, the

458
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Speaker 1: president at the time, a guy named Cardoso, replied, it's

459
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Speaker 1: clear he hasn't been converted to democracy, which is a

460
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Speaker 1: little bit of an understatement. So when Jayer was asked

461
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Speaker 1: about these comments earlier this year during the campaign, he

462
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: did distance himself from himself in the past, uh, saying,

463
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: people evolve. I am not a troglodyte. It's been a

464
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: long time since I touched the subject. The subject, of course,

465
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Speaker 1: was the execution of tens of thousands of human beings

466
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Speaker 1: at the time. They were calls from within Congress to

467
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Speaker 1: expel Bolsonnio, but nothing happened. He was just again seen

468
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Speaker 1: as a fringe nut and not really worth dealing with.

469
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Speaker 1: According to America's Quarterly he was so distant from real

470
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Speaker 1: power in a congress that also included a professional clown

471
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Speaker 1: and several legislators accused of kidnapping and even murder, that

472
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Speaker 1: if you paid him much attention, he said awful things,

473
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Speaker 1: said Ignaci Okano, a president at the State University of

474
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Speaker 1: Rio de Janeiro and frequent Bosonnario critic. But he was

475
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Speaker 1: marginal and pretty much considered harmless. There's a clown to

476
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Speaker 1: deal with. So in the first few years after the

477
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Speaker 1: military dictatorship fell, things were kind of rough in Brazil.

478
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Speaker 1: The economy was bad. There was a lot of unemployment

479
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Speaker 1: and inflation and all the things that come with that.

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Speaker 1: But around the turn of the millennium things started to

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Speaker 1: get a lot better. Brazil got its most beloved president, Lula,

482
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Speaker 1: who was in office for eight years. The economy turned around,

483
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Speaker 1: and in general it seemed like people really getting the

484
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Speaker 1: hang of being a country, a democratic one at least.

485
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Speaker 1: So the president who followed Lula was Delmarusso, who we've

486
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Speaker 1: already heard from a little bit. She was reelected in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen, the same year that the government

488
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Speaker 1: finished that study on how many people have been killed

489
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Speaker 1: and tortured during the military gunto Now. When this report

490
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Speaker 1: was read, Maria do Rosario, the Secretary of Human Rights

491
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Speaker 1: under Delma, praised the report during a session of Congress.

492
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Speaker 1: As she walked away, Bosonnaro shouted this at her, quote,

493
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Speaker 1: Stay here, Maria do Rosario, stay A while ago you

494
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Speaker 1: called me a rapist in the green room and I

495
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Speaker 1: said I won't rape you, but because you're not worth it,

496
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Speaker 1: stay here. Listen. It was in Congress. So he threatens

497
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Speaker 1: to rape one of his fellow congress not worthy. He says,

498
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Speaker 1: she's not worth raping. That's fair, that's fair. I was

499
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Speaker 1: being unfair. Bye bye. Yeah. So this was not the

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Speaker 1: first time Billsonnaro had threatened his colleague in Congress. According

501
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Speaker 1: to The Guardian, Bullsonnaro's first instance was an incident in

502
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Speaker 1: the parliamentary green room in two thousand and three when

503
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Speaker 1: he shoved her, described her as a slut, and then

504
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Speaker 1: told her to go cry. How boll Sonnaro treats his

505
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: fellow people in politics. Yeah, he's a it's a nice guy.

506
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think, like the closest we have

507
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Speaker 1: to that was when like during the debates, Trump was

508
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: going at Megan Kelly for bleeding out of her things

509
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: like that, and like it's still not as bad as this, No, exactly.

510
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Speaker 1: That's why I think it's really unfair to call him

511
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Speaker 1: the Brazilian Trump. He's yeah, Trump is the a Rican

512
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Speaker 1: bulson Naro. Trump is the American bolson Naro with anything,

513
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: or they're the Brazilian and American do terrtaz respectively. I

514
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: don't know, like maybe it's useless to Yeah, so the

515
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Speaker 1: attorney general press criminal charges against Bolsonnaro because you know,

516
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 1: you can't can't do that, well, you can, actually, but

517
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: there were charges for a little while, but very little happened.

518
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Speaker 1: And the reason that very little happened is that the

519
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: Brazilian government is preposterously corrupt. Like I know, we have

520
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: a lot of issues with corruption here in America, but

521
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: things are on another level in Brazil. At the time

522
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Speaker 1: Ere threatened Rosario, roughly two hundred of his fellows, six

523
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Speaker 1: hundred national legislators. We're facing trial for crimes ranging from

524
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Speaker 1: fraud to murder, so like a third of the elected

525
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: politicians at the national level are actively being investigated for

526
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: felonious crimes at the time when he says, I'm not

527
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Speaker 1: going to rape you because you're not worth it, so

528
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you shouldn't say that. But but this

529
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Speaker 1: guy killed somebody. This guy a clown murdered somebody. Like,

530
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: so nothing really happens. Um, I wonder what type of

531
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Speaker 1: clown this is, because there's like the bows of the

532
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: clown clown, but there's also like clowns who are just

533
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: like movement professionals. Yeah. Yeah, I'm feeling more of like

534
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: an it clown. Like Brazil just elected Pennywise. We're like, well,

535
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Speaker 1: he keeps luring children in the storm drains, but my god,

536
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: he's got a good economic policy. He's real popular in

537
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Speaker 1: his district. Man, hey, we had a guy who liked

538
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Speaker 1: to lord children in Uh we do that the longest

539
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: serving Republicans Speaker of the House. Yeah, he ALTI likes

540
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: to lure children. Yeah, serial child molester. So we're working

541
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: on being as entertaining as horrible, because like, I just

542
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: feel like this is a blueprint. We're on the path

543
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: for which is again, does that happen a lot on

544
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: the show? Yeah, it's people usually walk away really bummed out.

545
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get ice cream after that. Yeah, that's

546
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: always recommended. Or I used to advertise derritos on the show,

547
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: but they never gave us any money, So now I

548
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: advertise whatever happens to be lying around on the table.

549
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: So right now, it's a Mountain Zevia, which is a

550
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: Stevia flavored diet beverage that is sort of like mountain dew,

551
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: but legally distinct, legally distinct. I love that it is

552
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: legally distinct. Yeah, that's great, legally distinct. I love how

553
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: on YouTube they can want they do a TV show,

554
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: but they'll mirror it, so it's legally distinct. As long

555
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: as you mirror the TV show over it things backwards,

556
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: you can air it. Okay. So telling a colleague that

557
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: she wasn't worth raping worked out really well for Gyre.

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00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: His popularity among conservative Brazilians rose, and by two thousand sixteen,

559
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: he was the third most liked Brazilian politician on Facebook.

560
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: What what we did? Elect Donald Trump? Like, he said

561
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 1: a lot of terrible things, so he was like the

562
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: Maxine Waters or something, or like the Kamala Harris, like

563
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: the super like popular politician, the Corey Booker, the Beto

564
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: like it was more that there's so much corruption in

565
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,239
Speaker 1: Brazilian politics, and so he was he was seeing as

566
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: like honest, like he's clearly has no filters, so he's

567
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: not lying to us, and do we have all of

568
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: the exactly I'm gonna read a quote from The Guardian

569
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: here that tries to explain this. Part of the reason

570
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: is Brazil's culture of machismo, which is, according to Russef,

571
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: has also contributed to the desire for impeachment of the

572
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: country's first female president. So Delmarrossa basically said that, like

573
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: this is a machiesmo thing, Like there's masculinity is so

574
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: important to Brazilians. That's why they want the first woman

575
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Speaker 1: president impeached. And that's why Bolsonnarros seeing so much popularity.

576
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: Is it's like a toxic masculinitything. And I won't deny

577
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: that that's probably an aspect of it. But it also

578
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: is really important to note that the desire to impeach

579
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: Russaf probably had just as much, if not more, to

580
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: do with the absurd and shamefully rampant corruption going on

581
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: in her administration. March fourteen, which is the same year

582
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: that they released their report on what the military Genda

583
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: had done, the Brazilian government opened Operation car Wash, which

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00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: was initially an investigation into Petro brass which is a

585
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: state owned oil company. So there was evidence that this

586
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: state owned oil company had been taking bribes and that

587
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: politicians elected leaders have been getting bribes in exchange for

588
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: giving certain construction firms preference and bidding on projects that

589
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: the state owned oil firm was doing. The investigation turned

590
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: into one of those spiraling, insane monstrosities of incompetence and

591
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: shameless graft that implicated dozens of those powerful people in Brazil. Haliburton,

592
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: it reminds me of even bigger as a deal like

593
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: because it's way more direct and obvious. The government funded one,

594
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: not exactly exactly and um this included former president Lula

595
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: and of course Delma Rosof. The ex president. Lula was

596
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: found guilty of accepting a beach front apartment as a

597
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: bribe from a construction firm. Rosof was also implicated in

598
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: the scam and subsequently impeached. It's hard to overstate the

599
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: importance of Operation car Washing everything else that's happened since

600
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: um with Bosonio America's quarterly calls it possibly the world's

601
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: largest corruption probe. So we're talking about like billions and

602
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: billions of dollars going into the hands of politicians in

603
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: exchange for like, yeah, it's it's super fucking shady talking

604
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: about Cheesemo and Brazil. You know. The late Robin Williams

605
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: has a bit on inside the actor's studio where he

606
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: talks about how Mucheesmo is hugely important in Latin America,

607
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: and then he goes and then he imagined a world

608
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: where all their soccer players they love so much are

609
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: very effeminate, and he does them and he's like, why

610
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: didn't you call me after the Mexico game, says one

611
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: soccer player to the other soccer player. But then all

612
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Speaker 1: these like supermucheese moo, toxic masculine guys who were like,

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Speaker 1: these are my heroes, These are my heroes, which circles

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Speaker 1: right back to naming him after a soccer player. Over Jesus, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. It is interesting. Now the investigation basically implicated

616
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Speaker 1: everybody in sort of the liberal establishment in Brazil. So

617
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: like the left had really been pretty dominant up to

618
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: this point, Rosef's Workers Party had been like the major party.

619
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: And then basically everybody gets implicated in massive corruption and graft.

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00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: And this is at a time when the economy is

621
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Speaker 1: taking a ship, so people are like, things are harder

622
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: for us, foods more expensive, poverty is soaring, and we

623
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: found out that all these guys we've trusted for the

624
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: last like fifteen years to govern the country have been

625
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: robbing us all blind. So that's the environment that bolson

626
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: Naro starts to surgeon around two thousand, fifteen sixteen. So

627
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: in the wake of Operation car Wash, we're not just

628
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: talking about like the last guy, delmar Ussef, being disgraced,

629
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Speaker 1: We're talking about the entire political class in Brazil being

630
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: exposed and shamed. When Rosof was impeached into a thousand

631
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Speaker 1: sixteen bolson Naro cheered that they lost in nineteen sixty

632
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: four and now they have lost in two thousand and sixteen.

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Speaker 1: He dedicated his vote to impeach the president to quote

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Speaker 1: the memory of Colonel Carlos Alberto Berjante Ustra the dread

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Speaker 1: of delmar Ussef, because Colonel Uster was the man who

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Speaker 1: had tortured Russef while she was in prison. It's the

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00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: kind of thing that would have been outrageous and a

638
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: healthy democracy, but it only increased Bolsonnaro support. A poll

639
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: taken later that year that seven out of ten Brazilians

640
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: had no trust in any political party. In this environment,

641
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: JayR Bulsono thrived. You could say a lot of things

642
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: about the man, but he didn't seem like a liar.

643
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: He didn't hide that he wanted to go back to

644
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Speaker 1: a dictatorship and kill tens of thousands of leftists, and

645
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: that was refreshing to a lot of voters at this

646
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Speaker 1: point in Brazilian politics. So Jayre grew to become the

647
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: most well known and popular politician in the Bullets, Beef

648
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: and Bible Caucus, which is roughly analogous to the American

649
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: right wing. Uh. He started to lay the ground for

650
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: a presidential campaign in two as an eighteen Bullets, Beef

651
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Speaker 1: and Bible. That's our Bible belt. Yeah, I mean that's

652
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: our Bible belt exactly. Yeah, it's a better name. Yeah,

653
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: it is the Bullets, Beef and Bible Caucus. That's exactly.

654
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: That's our country. People, are the same everywhere, Like there's

655
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: always going to be a group that you know what

656
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: you've said. When you just said that, people were like

657
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: refreshed by the idea that like this guy wanted to

658
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: kill ten thousand leftists. I think it's hard to date

659
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: here across parties. Can you imagine trying to date as

660
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: a young person in Brazil and like one person supports

661
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: this dude, and once the person is like a leftist,

662
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: then you want me to do It's impossible. Yeah, it

663
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: would be rough, and it is rough. That's part of

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Speaker 1: what polarization does, and that's probably why it continues to

665
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: get worse, is that people it's like a civil war

666
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: without the war. Yet yet it's a cold war. Yea, yeah,

667
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: it's a cold civil war. So yeah. Bosonia promised his

668
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: supporters that he would loosen up the country's gun laws,

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Speaker 1: open up untouched rainforce inhabited by indigenous people to strip mining,

670
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: and lower the age of criminal responsibility to sixteen. This

671
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: was a major centerpiece of his campaign. So the under

672
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: current Brazilian law, three years is the maximum punishment you

673
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: can give someone who's eighteen or younger. Here's how Bosonnara

674
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: pitch changing that quote, an adolescent can rape and kill

675
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: two people and he is still not treated like a criminal.

676
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: In Brazil, most miners know that if they are going

677
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: to commit a robbery, it is better to kill the

678
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: victim as there is less chance of being caught, and

679
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: if they are, the punishment will be the same. So

680
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: this is the argument he's making now. Una Sef says

681
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: that Brazilian teenagers are actually vastly more likely to be

682
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: the victims of violent crime than the perpetrators. Less than

683
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Speaker 1: point zero one three percent of murders in Brazil are

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Speaker 1: committed by twelve to seventeen year olds. Meanwhile, thirty six

685
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: point five percent of all non natural adolescent deaths in

686
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: Brazil are caused by murder. So teenager is actually, if

687
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Speaker 1: I'm doing the math right, hundreds of times likelier to

688
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Speaker 1: be murdered by an adult than to commit murder while

689
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: under age. But of course we all know how much

690
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: facts matter and political discussions these days. Jared Bolson Narrow

691
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Speaker 1: is also a major advocated framed that really well, because

692
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Speaker 1: if I didn't know that, I'd be like, well, if

693
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get robbed, I'd rather just get robbed and

694
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Speaker 1: not killed. That's like the way a layman is thinking

695
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: of that great idea. Dude, Yeah, but it doesn't line

696
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: up with the facts. But like people know, crime is

697
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: out of control and it is in Brazil, and he

698
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: posits a solution that seems reasonable if you're not aware

699
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: of the actual statistics. So j. R. Bolson was also

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Speaker 1: a major advocate of bringing back torture, which probably isn't

701
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Speaker 1: surprising at this point. During one interview, he explained how quote,

702
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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. I have two small daughters,

703
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: five and three. If a criminal kidnaps my daughter and

704
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: start sending a piece of ear a piece of finger

705
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: to my house and the police catches one of the

706
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: criminals from that gang of kidnappers and he doesn't tell

707
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Speaker 1: where she's being kept, I'm going to volunteer to torture

708
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: that guy. I'm not in favor of torture is state policy,

709
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: but in certain situations, any human being, you weigh what

710
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: is more important valued in your life? Is it your

711
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: daughter or the right to remain silent? Do you understand what? Yeah,

712
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: that's his argument for torture. What it's smart the way

713
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: that he's framed that. If you start arguing with him,

714
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: he's going to be like, what would you do if

715
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: your daughter? Your daughter is getting sent to you? And

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00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: this is one where I'm betting he is taking a

717
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: leaf out of American politicians, because, for as long as

718
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: I've been alive on the right, when there's arguments about

719
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: the death penalty that what happens if they murdered your daughter,

720
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, that's not what we make laws

721
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: based on. Is like our personal rage at the thought

722
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: of someone close to us getting hurt. Anyway, speaking of rage,

723
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: you know what doesn't make me angry advertisements for the

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Speaker 1: products and services that support this show. We're back and

725
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about JayR. Billsonio. So we just got into

726
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: his argument about torture in allowing the government to charge

727
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: sixteen year old as adults. The reason these policies really

728
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: took off is that Brazil has kind of an enormous,

729
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: horrifying crime problem. The nation has nineteen of the world's

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00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: fifty most violent cities. There were fifty six thousand murders

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00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: in Brazil in two thousand seventeen. Now in the same

732
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: year in the United States, there were six thousand seven

733
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: ms in The US has a hundred and twenty five

734
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: million more people than Brazil, so they have an enormous

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00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: violent car time the murders almost with a third less people. Yeah,

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00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: so a lot of this is not explained by people

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00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: being evil or dumb. It's them just being scared and

738
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: not being well informed like that has to be a

739
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: huge factor here. They have reason to be scared. Crime

740
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: is a horrifying problem in Brazil right now, and so

741
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: they're going to the guy who claims I'm gonna fucking

742
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: law and order this ship, and the way to do

743
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: that is by executing teenagers and torturing people. But you

744
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: can see why they would fall for that. So JayR.

745
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: Bolsonniro has occasionally walked back some of the things he's claimed,

746
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: but in general, he spent the last twenty years of

747
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: his public life being really upfront with his breathtaking, the

748
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: gross beliefs. In a two thousand eleven interview with Playboy magazine,

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00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: Bosonniro stated that he would quote be incapable of loving

750
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: a homosexual son and added that I would prefer my

751
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: son to die in an accident than be gay. Yeah,

752
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: he's going to do the whole role of terrible Quotes

753
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: from Bolsonnario uh In two thousand and sixteen on Brazilian television,

754
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: he referred to having a daughter after four sons as

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00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: a moment of weakness. Uh right. During a different TV appearance,

756
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: he said this quote. Because women get more labor rights

757
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: than men, meaning they get maternity leave, the employer prefers

758
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: to hire men. I would not employ a woman with

759
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: the same salary of a man, But there are many

760
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: women who are competent, so it's it's like that some

761
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: of them are good people of justifying employment discrimination. In

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00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: two thousands seventeen, Jayer said a man who doesn't kill

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00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: isn't a policeman. Uh In two thousand eighteen, he was

764
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: asked how he'd spent his housing allowance that he gets

765
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: as a congressman, the money from the government that they

766
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: pay him for like his house, because he's a government employee.

767
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: He said, quote, since I was a bachelor at the time,

768
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: I used the money to have sex with people. You see, like,

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00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: you can see why people like like, oh, well, that's

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00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: what I would do too if I was. He's a

771
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: straight talker, he's an honest man. Everybody else is corrupt.

772
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: He's an honest man who wants to buy hookers and

773
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: shoot criminals. So obviously every terrible thing Jayrble scenario did

774
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: just made him more popular. I'm going to guess everyone

775
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: listening to this is familiar with kind of how that works. Like,

776
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: if you're asking yourself, how did this keep making him

777
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: more popular? Think back to the guy who won the

778
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: presidency after talking about grabbing women with pussy, Like that's

779
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: just how things work in um so I should know that.

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00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: One of his election ads was literally a picture of

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00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: Jaire standing in front of a Brazilian flag while a

782
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: voiceover said Hitler Mussolini. They call him everything but corrupt.

783
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: What That's pretty fucking Parker's, isn't It compared himself to

784
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: Hitler and Mussolini in a campaign ad, Oh my god,

785
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: you gotta give it to him. That's some hotspah. I

786
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: could shoot somebody in the middle of fifth five and

787
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: they will still vote from him. People. People are the

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00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: same everywhere when ship gets rough, and ship's rough in Brazil,

789
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: So this worked Hitler Muslin at least he's not corrupt.

790
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: What so this message sold very well, first on social

791
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: media and then at the ballot box before he was elected.

792
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 1: Bossonio had more than one point seven million more followers

793
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: on Facebook than his nearest rival. The core of his

794
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: supporters were, of course, young men. Only thirty six percent

795
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: of his voters were women, or at least of his

796
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: supporters prior to the election were women. So yeah, we're

797
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: all intimately familiar with the next part of the story. JayR.

798
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: Bolsonnio dominated all of his political rivals and one by

799
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: nearly ten percent of the vote. The only real wrinkle

800
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: in the story is that during a rally in September,

801
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: a young man on a mission from God. According to

802
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: the young man, stabbed the ship out of JayR. Busonio,

803
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: hurt him very badly, came pretty close to killing him

804
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: but didn't. Here's a picture of him in mid stab.

805
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: It kind of looks like he's pooping what he's ugly. Well,

806
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: he's getting stabbed. Nobody looks their best when they're getting stabbed.

807
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: In a little bit of fairness, like I think in

808
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: mid stab, you're not the best version of yourself. Wow,

809
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: the audience can see these pictures on behind the Bastards

810
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: dot com. So you got stabbed a bunch of times

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Speaker 1: that time made his popularity fly. Oh yeah, yeah, it

812
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: was great for him. Actually, Like ye, the best thing

813
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: that can happen to you if you're a politician is

814
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: someone tries to kill it always. Of course, the one

815
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: thing I hope doesn't happen like seven days, because that's yeah,

816
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: it's always good for popularity. Don't try to kill politicians

817
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: you don't like. It doesn't work, And you can try

818
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: to send fake bombs. I don't really care about that. Well,

819
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: why should we worry about some fake bombs. So the

820
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: wounds were serious, but not serious enough to stop Bulsonnario

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Speaker 1: from campaigning, and all likelihood, as you mentioned, they probably

822
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: did more to help his election than anything else. There

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00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: were stories in the news of him running his campaign

824
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: from a hospital bed and stuff. You know. Just it

825
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: played really, really well. The same night that had happened,

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00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: a senate candidate aligned with Bolsonaro claimed a message to

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00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: these bandits who tried to ruin the life of a

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00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: guy who was a father, who was the hope of

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00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: all Brazilians. You just elected the president, and they did,

830
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: and now Bilsonaro is the president elect. And in all fairness,

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Speaker 1: I should mention that in interviews that he did before

832
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: the election, Bolsonaro did promise not to become a dictator,

833
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: So that's nice. Here's a quote from a Time article

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Speaker 1: that ran back in August. Can he confirm that he

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Speaker 1: would not instigate a military regime of elected president? No,

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00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: there is no such risk. There is no such risk,

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00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: Bulsonnaro says. If elected, he insists the next presidential elections

838
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: would happen as normal. In two The only modification I

839
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: would make is to introduce paper voting to in electronic voting.

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00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: We distrust the electronic vote here. That is the only difference.

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00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: So committed to see to democracy. He adds that he's

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00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: considering a political reform proposal to limit a president to

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00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: one term only beginning with mine, which, hey, maybe he'll

844
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Speaker 1: do that. Maybe he's had a change of heart since nine. However,

845
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: that Time article does note that in Jire's office, the

846
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: only portraits he has on his wall are pictures of

847
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: five of the generals who managed Brazil's bloody military junta,

848
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: which does not instill a great deal of confidence in

849
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: his respect for democracy, at least for me. And that's

850
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: where we are today. Well, he got elected like last week.

851
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: He got elected like last week. We're a little further

852
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: than that today. So now that Bulsonario's president or president

853
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: elect new group is more terrified for their lives than

854
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: the nation's LGBT population. Here's another thing Jr. Bosonario said

855
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: about gay people during that Time interview. I do not

856
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: kiss my wife on the street wife as society white.

857
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: Take that into the school, little children of six or

858
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: seven watching two men kisses the government wanted them to do.

859
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: Is this democracy? Visibly struggling to contain his temper, he

860
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: asserts angrily that most gays will vote for him, and

861
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: then pivots to pedophilia. So let's respect the pedophiles right

862
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: to have sex with a two year old. With that

863
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: unite Brazil. But he adds, if anyone interviews with the

864
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: private life of two people, I will defend the life

865
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: of these two people between their four walls. That is

866
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: no problem. So he would be a present for all Brazilians. Yes,

867
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: so you can trust Jerry Bolsonario or not. He's said

868
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: some of the right things. But again, this is like

869
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: immediately after his election, when you do the conciliatory gestures.

870
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: There's some reason to suspect that he will not keep

871
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: up with his promises. During that same interview with Time,

872
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: Jerry Bosonario simultaneously denied his desire to create a military

873
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: dictatorship and promised to make roughly half the government ministers generals,

874
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: which sure seems like it's on the way to a

875
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: military dictatorship. He praised the Chilean dictator Pinochet for murdering

876
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: more than two thousand people. Uh, and he sid did

877
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: his desire to stop the demarcation of indigenous land and

878
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 1: basically cut down more of the rainforest. And like, one

879
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: of the things that he's been really consistent about is saying,

880
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't think indigenous people have the right to giant

881
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: tracks of land, to have like chunks of the country

882
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: partition that we can't develop. Like, he's a big advocate

883
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: of allowing companies to come in and basically pay indigenous

884
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: people pennies on the dollar for their land and then

885
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: strip mine it, which is kind of a problem because

886
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: of our planets oxygen comes from the Amazon rainforest. There's

887
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: some reason to be worried there. Yeah, there's also some

888
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: reason to be worried because on October one, two eighteen,

889
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: j R. Bolsonnio vowed to purge Brazilian leftists to a

890
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: cheering crowd of his supporters. A month or so before this,

891
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: he told time like I'm going to be the president

892
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: for all Braziliance, And then a couple of months later

893
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: in October, he said, quote this time the cleanup will

894
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: be even greater this group, and he's talking about leftists.

895
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: If they want to stay, they will have to abide

896
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: by our laws. Either they stay out or they will

897
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: go to jail. Immediately before the election, Rezilian police, often

898
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: without warrants, began barging into university classrooms, questioning teachers and students. Uh,

899
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: they started taking out books and classroom studies related to

900
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: fascism and sort of the spread of dangerous right wing ideology.

901
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: And they justified this under the claim that these schools

902
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: were doing a legal election advertising. But that was like

903
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of professors were doing essentially classes on fascism

904
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: and the dangers of fascist authoritarian regimes, and this was

905
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: cracked down on by the government immediately before the election.

906
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: They claimed that it was election tampering essentially. So that's

907
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: not a great sign. It's kind of up in the

908
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 1: air as to what's going to happen, and like whether

909
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: or not things are going to get tremendously worse but yeah,

910
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: I get a lot of messages on my social media

911
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: from people who are like, can you amplify this? Can

912
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: you amplify that? Can you amplify this? They want like

913
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: whatever their causes, they want me to amplify, and I

914
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: can't write. I can't amplify every cause. But I've been

915
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: getting a lot from LGBTQ populations in Brazil recently, and

916
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: I just have been glossing over them, but I'm realizing

917
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: exactly what they're referring to. I think there's a deep

918
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: fear it's a big problem, and I think a guy

919
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: like JR. Bosonnio, I think we're less likely to see

920
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: any sort of really clear government policy aimed at lgbt

921
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: people that you can point to and say the government

922
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: said they're going to do this, the government said they're

923
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: going to do that. I think what we will see,

924
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: and what we've already started to see, is groups of

925
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: right wing activists in the street doing violence to gay

926
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: people and doing violence to leftists and attacking anyone they

927
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: see as not part of them. Uh. And I think

928
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: we won't see a lot done to prevent those attacks.

929
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: But I do think that's that's the smarter move if

930
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: you're a guy like Bolsonniaro, why would you have gay

931
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: people arrested when your supporters will murder them anyway? Do

932
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: you know has Trump been asked about his feelings about

933
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: bolson Oh, he called him. He was a big fan,

934
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: big big fan, tweeted about it and everything, called him

935
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: as soon as he wants, super super down with them,

936
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: says that they're gonna We're gonna have great trade deals.

937
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: And I read another article that was like a Canadian

938
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: economist style Man magazine saying like Bullsonaro's election is going

939
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: to be great for Canadian businesses. That's unglea Merkel, no

940
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: good Bullsonnaro, big fan. It is a similar thing to

941
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: what happened when the military genda took over. How you

942
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: have this government that's like, we need to not develop

943
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: the rainforest, we need to not allow foreign corporations to

944
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: strip mine our nation for pennies on the dollar. And

945
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: then a right wing government gets in and says no, no, no,

946
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: do all that funck the rainforest, and and like we

947
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: will do whatever it's necessary as long as you keep

948
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: money flowing into us, will do whatever is necessary to

949
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: put down rebellion within the country. By the way, we

950
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: talk about how Bullsonario is not as corrupt as the

951
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: other people in politics. There have just been some findings

952
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 1: by America's Quarterly there's about four and a half million

953
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: dollars that have been transferred to his family over the

954
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: last year or so, and we don't really know where

955
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: it came from. So the early evidence suggests there will

956
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: eventually be findings that like, he's corrupted ship, but he

957
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: was I think smarter about it than Delmarussef and the

958
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: Works Party people, which is all it takes. You don't

959
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: have to not be corrupt. You just have to convince

960
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: people that you're less corrupt than the person you're going

961
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: up against, and it turns out that works. One of

962
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: the message I got I just read was from a

963
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: Brazilian woman and she asked me to amplify and she said,

964
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: if you do take me up on this offer, basically

965
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: the say that he's bad, please use the hashtag that

966
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: we're here in Brazil are using, and it was hashtag Ellen.

967
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: Now I don't think I'm saying right as E l E.

968
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean not him, anyone but him, anyone

969
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: but him. Yeah, La, Now that's a pretty bold campaign.

970
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: Anyone anyone but him, not him, but anyone else is fined.

971
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: I mean that does get it kind of a I

972
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: mean it clearly it didn't work in this election, but

973
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: I think it is something that like everyone who's not

974
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: an outright fascist in the democratic world needs to get

975
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 1: better at, which is just sort of like a common

976
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: front against Like, Okay, we're not going to agree about everything.

977
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: You may consider yourself a Marxist or whatever, you're a libertarian,

978
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: you're a Democrat, and you know a interest or whatever.

979
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: Let's all agree we don't want a fascist in charge.

980
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: Like a broad front there. I'm gonna say something that

981
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: reminds me. My ancestry is Indian and people often talk

982
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: here in America about the vitriol for a two party system.

983
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: People always like two party systems are bad, two partists

984
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: are bad, and I often say, I agree, they're bad,

985
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: but let's just think about something else. And I want

986
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 1: to use India as an example. India is the world's

987
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: largest democracy, and in India they don't have a two

988
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: party system. There's actually like several viable parties. And what

989
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: ends up happening, though, is every week closer and closer

990
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: to the election. What you just said, happens happens, and

991
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: by the end, by by voting day, you got two choices. Yeah,

992
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: it always ends up being a two part system because

993
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: it'll be like two percent of the vote and two

994
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: percent of the vote, of the vote and of the vote,

995
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh, we got a team up

996
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 1: and we get to so of course the Environmental Party

997
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: and the Left Party, which are only slightly different, and

998
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,479
Speaker 1: then like the Conservative Party and the b j P Party,

999
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: which only slightly different, end up teaming up, and then

1000
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: once again you go to the polls and it's yeah,

1001
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: it ends up being a two party system. There's obviously

1002
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: a lot of flaws in our system, and every system

1003
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: there's not a government that doesn't have a shipload of him.

1004
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: But I think that that's probably not the root problem

1005
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: of why politics is so fucked in America. It's not

1006
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: that there are two parties, that there are some inherently

1007
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: human things. That means that when we have a system

1008
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: like ours that invests so much power and whoever manages

1009
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 1: to like win in an election, that might be more

1010
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 1: of the fact that the president and that Congress has

1011
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: this much power, and if you control Congress for eight years,

1012
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: you can do so much redistricting and ship that you

1013
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: can like lock in your congressional advantage for another twenty years.

1014
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: Like those you're bigger problems in the fact that like

1015
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: there's two political parties and exactly so we don't know

1016
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: what is going to happen to the future in Brazil. Again,

1017
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: Billsonnario has been very clear that he does not intend

1018
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: to become a dictator. Maybe he's had a change of heart.

1019
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: I am not super confident on that, and I would

1020
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: like to read one more quote interview that Bolson Narrow

1021
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: gave at the start of his political career. He was

1022
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: asked right before saying this, if he would shut down

1023
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: Congress once he was elected president, because you know, he

1024
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: was an advocate of dictatorship at that point. Quote, there

1025
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: is no doubt I would perform a coup on the

1026
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: same day. Congress doesn't work, and I am sure at

1027
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: least of the population would celebrate an applaud because it

1028
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: doesn't work. The Congress today is useless. Let's do the

1029
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: coup already. Let's go straight to the dictatorship. It's so

1030
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: funny when someone starts to set that's like that. There

1031
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: was no doubt yeah, there's no doubt. So like no,

1032
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: everybody says no, one can be like, oh, he doesn't

1033
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: mean that. He said that there is no doubt that

1034
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: that is what I would do. Yeah. It's like everybody

1035
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: says that this caravan is an invasion. No we don't.

1036
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: Some of us say it's the same caravan that comes

1037
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: up every couple of years, and it's already lost half

1038
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: of its numbers, and like it's so funny. I saw

1039
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: a good tweet about that. It was like, what caravan

1040
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: that plans to come here and kill you warns you

1041
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: three months in advance, that weren't you when it's half

1042
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: a continent away. Hey, we're clocking, Like so funny, start

1043
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: walking to Because Trump keeps using the word marching, yeah,

1044
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: which has like military military. Yeah, you use every military

1045
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: word you can. It's strong men and it's like women

1046
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: and children, and they keep these are strong guys, like

1047
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: they're a bunch of Liam Neeson's coming to our country.

1048
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: As if a single Apache helicopter couldn't wipe out most

1049
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: of this, like if if it was an armed group

1050
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: of three thousand people on foot, what Apache? And like

1051
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: everybody in Palestine can tell you throwing rocks does not

1052
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: mean that you should get shot. No. Well, in any

1053
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: US soldier who's been stationed in Afghanistan and Iraq will

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Speaker 1: is a war crime to fire back with guns at

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Speaker 1: someone throwing a rock at you. Yeah. Now you also

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Speaker 1: rento some stories and like Marines having rocks thrown at

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Speaker 1: them and like getting slingshots and shooting rocks back at

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Speaker 1: the people throwing rocks at them. Because it's like you

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Speaker 1: got nineteen year old kids during rocks at sixteen year

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Speaker 1: old it's what ever? Yeah, I get that, but you

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Speaker 1: can't shoot at them with guns. No. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: like getting cut off in traffic and then so you

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Speaker 1: pull out your pistol and shoot the guy who cut

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Speaker 1: you off. Yeah you're going to jail. Yeah, you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: cut you off, but like your escalation was. Yeah, man, anyway,

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Speaker 1: you want to plug your plug aublets before we were

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Speaker 1: out here, Yeah, follow me on Instagram and Twitter b

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Speaker 1: e h z A d d A b U. If

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Speaker 1: you guys are feeling like and you want to donate,

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Speaker 1: there is a thing you can donate to. It's my

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Speaker 1: student loan campaign. I'm looking to pay off my student loan. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm joking kind of, but if you want to pay

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Speaker 1: myself on you can. Okay, you can find me on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at I right, okay. You can find the show

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Speaker 1: on the internet at behind the Bastards dot com. We'll

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Speaker 1: have any links in pictures from this episode. You can

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Speaker 1: find us on Instagram, at Twitter at bastards pod, and

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Speaker 1: to funct shure it up yet, but we're working on that.

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Speaker 1: We're working on that. Did you guys do all around however? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we did, like a four hour episode on the round hovered.

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Speaker 1: I Um, I was, I don't live far from here,

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Speaker 1: and I was walking by and I saw to scientiologist

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Speaker 1: because I could tell from they're like uniform type things.

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Speaker 1: They were walking past me, so I got about half

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Speaker 1: a second of their conversation. But I heard one fully

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Speaker 1: grown adult woman say to the other fully grown adult woman,

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Speaker 1: this is the one sentence I heard in my walk. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they changed my shower time. I just thought it was

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Speaker 1: so creepy, like, no, you have a shower time, and

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Speaker 1: then they changed it and like, now you're in distress.

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Speaker 1: I just thought the whole thing was like I don't

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Speaker 1: want to know more, but I do. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think when you're talking about a cult like scientology, or

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Speaker 1: you're talking about the desire to vote for an authoritarian

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Speaker 1: who promises strict government control and violence against the people

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Speaker 1: you don't like, they both have a similar route, which

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Speaker 1: is that like people are just exhausted at how many

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Speaker 1: choices they have. Politics is exhausting, Like voting in the

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Speaker 1: mid terms, there's like all these different proposals and you've

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Speaker 1: got to figure out like what you feel about them

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Speaker 1: and understand them, and a lot of them it's usually

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Speaker 1: not something that's simple as like abortion, right, pretty depending

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Speaker 1: on your beliefs, you're gonna land up. But if it's like, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: do we allocate this much money to firefighting? But if

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Speaker 1: that happens like because we're you know, in order to

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Speaker 1: allocate this money, we're imposing an additional property tax, or

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Speaker 1: like a lot of stuff is like and it's exhausting.

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Speaker 1: And so whether your poison as a cult or a

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Speaker 1: dictator in a society that's free and open, there's always

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Speaker 1: a huge amount of fuck it. Just let some asshole

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Speaker 1: figure it out. Yeah, so don't let some asshole figure

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Speaker 1: it out, think for yourself and uh and buy a

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Speaker 1: thank you. We will see you later on this week

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