WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Quentin Harris 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:05.280 Welcome to a post NFL Draft edition of the Dave 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.840 Pash Podcast. I'm your host, Dave Pash, ESPN and Arizona 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.479 Cardinals announcer. Our guest this week his vice president player 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.560 personnel for the Arizona Cardinals, Quentin Harris. To talk obviously 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.959 about the NFL Draft and the acquisition of Hollywood Brown, 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:21.919 and we're going to get there, but we're going to 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:26.520 start with talking about Quintin's background. He's a former player, 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:31.280 played at Syracuse. I actually did his games at Syracuse 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.200 and then did his games when he was a member 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.440 of the Arizona Cardinals. We'll talk about how he got 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.000 into this business, when he started thinking about getting into 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:44.440 being a personnel guy. We'll also discuss his interview with 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:46.840 the New York Giants, he was one of the candidates 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.080 for their general manager position. And then obviously we're going 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.480 to get into how the trade went down to bring 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:57.400 in Hollywood, what he'll bring to the offense in twenty 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.280 twenty two. At that point in the draft, is Hollywood 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.840 going to have more of an impact than anyone that 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.240 we're going to draft right now? And the answer was yes, 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.880 So at that point it was an easy call for us. 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:12.360 Also Ques thoughts on Trey McBride, the Cardinals second round selection, 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.319 the two pass rushers they selected in the third round, 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.840 some of the late round picks, and then also what 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:22.120 Quentin thinks about Kyler Murray, his growth and the potential 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.720 for the Arizona Cardinals. In twenty twenty two, we are 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:29.000 presented by betmgm, the official sports betting partner of the 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:33.400 Arizona Cardinals and Hila River Hotels in casinos. Sign up 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:37.160 for BETMGM today using code cards one thousand and get 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.800 your first bet risk free up to one thousand dollars. 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.000 New customer offer paid in free bets. Visit betmgm dot 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.400 com for terms and conditions. Twenty one and over Arizona only. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:50.400 Please gamble responsibly. Gambling problem called one eight hundred. Next 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:54.800 step and here he is Cardinals Vice President Player Personnel, 0:01:54.880 --> 0:02:01.640 Quentin Harris so Q. I was mentioning in the open 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.920 that I've known you half my life. I'm gonna be 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:08.120 fifty this year, and I've known you twenty five years. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.920 I was calling Syracuse games when you were playing there, 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.840 and I remember my first year here in two thousand 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:19.080 and two was your first year, and I remember seeing 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:23.280 you getting onto the plane or I was onto the 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.399 bus to go to the plane for the first preseason 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.359 road game, and you were dressed like in a three 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.440 piece suit because Paul Pascalone to the head coach, always 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.320 made the players dress in suits. What do you recall 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:37.760 from your first training camp, your first preseason, your first season, 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.480 because I don't think people remember you played well, you 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:44.079 played four years here than you spent a year with Denver. Yes, yes, 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.840 and you started some games. You played sixteen games I 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:52.080 think three different years, so you had a longer career 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:53.960 than most in the NFL as a player and then 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.320 obviously got into personnel. What do you recall from your 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:02.079 first camp, your first NFL experience, Well, the first NFL experience, 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:06.040 I could say is when I stepped into the building, 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.600 and again playing in the Big East, we saw the 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.720 fast guys, We saw that type of ability. But when 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.679 I walked in, my eyes popped out of my head 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:21.240 when I saw David Boston. I've never seen a physical 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:25.240 specimen at the receiver spot. Outside linebacker. Defensive n you 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.079 see guys like that, but a guy built like that 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.480 at the receiver spot. There was a gulp that went 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.480 down my throat that that was the biggest thing that 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.880 stuck to me initially of wow, this guy has traps 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.240 on top of traps. Are all the receivers like this? 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.800 So for me that was eye opening. But once I 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.000 got settled in, because again I came in with a 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:51.720 huge chip on my shoulder being undrafted, So once that 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.360 part of wow, these guys are big or fast, but 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.800 guess what so am I? So once that part settled, 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.600 and I remember thinking, you know, I belong here and 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.040 I'm going to be here. So that's the thing when 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.440 I initially got here that I can take from my 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:10.160 initial experience. When did you start thinking about personnel? Was 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.320 that something that was always of interest to you or 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:15.760 did it happen after you were done playing or was 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.000 it during your career? A little both. So let me 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.080 take you back in high school. I was one of 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.000 those guys that would buy the Lendy's, The Street and 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:29.760 Smith The Athlon, all those football magazines the preseason. I 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.800 would read them, go through them. So I was always 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.720 intrigued with the personnel aspect of it. But really it 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.680 started when Steve mentioned to again, let me rewind a 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.160 little bit. Steve was an area scout in Syracuse when 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.080 I was there, So I met Steve a few times 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.760 because we had a mutual acquaintance my strength and conditioning 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.680 coach William Hicks with Steve, so I met Steve a 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.800 few times when he was on his visit. So fast forward, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:56.080 Steve and I had a great relationship. So the college 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.840 scouts would come out during training camp and we would 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.200 talk a little bit, and he was like, Hey, when 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.800 you're done, you might want to think about personnel. So 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.039 at that time I wasn't thinking about it until he 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:07.880 mentioned it, and I was like, hmm, you know, I 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:09.760 can stay in the football world. I love that. This 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:11.760 is what I do. This is all I ever wanted 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.120 to do. So I would say it started maybe my 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.480 second year in the NFL thinking about it, and then 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.040 obviously when I was done, it was an easy transition, 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.920 went from a locker to an office. You're a vice president. 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.960 Now you interviewed with the Giants for their general manager position. Yes, 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.120 you're going to be a GM at some point. I'm 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.480 assuming that's a goal for you. Yes. What was the 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.840 interview process like in the experience, Like, what were your 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:41.080 takeaways from it and did it help you going through 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.080 this process with the Giants. Yeah, first of all, it 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:48.640 was I'm very thankful for mister merrimister Tish for interviewing me. 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.600 But it initially you know, you know what's coming at 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.960 some point, but when you get the call like hey, 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.400 we're going to interview you, your mind stars starts rolling. 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.000 And for me, I really just had the step back 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:02.920 because when you when you get that call, you start 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.440 to think about every scenario, every section of the building 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.560 that you're gonna have to know and understand. So I 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.560 really had to just step back and say, you know what, 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.480 seventy percent of this stuff I've been doing since I 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.040 got here in two thousand and eight, So I removed 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.400 that part of the equation in terms of building, the 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.360 draft board, free agency, all those things that all those 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.000 things I didn't focus on as much because I was 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:30.000 I'm flewing in so I really just focused on the 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:33.120 logistic side of things, you know, things that Mattie Carciola 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:37.599 does and getting a better feel for that. So I 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.000 was super prepared, I can tell you that much. And 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.240 it was one of those things where there was no 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.240 question that stumped me. You know, I had answers for everything. 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.279 I had a detailed plan for everything, they asked about. 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:53.600 And I really walked out that interview not with I 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.600 don't want to say zero regrets, because I'm sure there's 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.600 some small things, but I left that that interview feeling 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.240 like I would change very little. And even when I 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:04.760 got the call, you know, from mister marrisaying they were 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.800 going in another direction, I still felt really good about 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.280 the interview process. And for me, it kind of lifts 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.680 that veil up of what's behind the curtain because you 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.920 just you just don't know until you experience. You can 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.080 ask people and talk to people, but you don't know. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.680 So for me, it was going through that process the 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:24.880 first time and really understanding and being being comfortable once 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:26.880 I got in the seat, because obviously I was a 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.920 little nervous. It's a you know, a big job that 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.160 I want. It I really wanted, so I was nervous. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.880 But once I went through the process and stepped away, 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.320 I'm like, Okay, you know, I'm ready for the next one. 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.240 You know, it's just a little more confidence. I'm ready 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.200 for the next one. Because again, you go in so 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.320 blind because you just don't know what kind of questions 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.000 you're gonna get, so you try to prepare for everything sure, 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.240 and that's why that's seventy percent of the football stuff 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.760 I kind of just put on the back burner because 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.680 if I can't talk about that, I don't need to 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.920 be sitting here interviewing for this position. Sure, so that 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.880 was my approach, but it was as an experience. I'm 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.840 looking forward to the next next one that comes up. 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:08.520 But um, my biggest takeaway that it's uh, it ended 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.040 up being more of a conversation. Because you think you're 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:12.680 gonna come in and it's gonna be all formal, you're 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.320 gonna be tight. It was. It was a it was 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.560 a nice conversation. How much do you think? And we'll 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.040 get into because I'm sure people listening want to hear 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:23.640 about the trade for Hollywood and the draft and your 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.720 thoughts on the twenty twenty two team, But how much 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.760 do you think? And maybe you can tell from being 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:34.720 around Steve Obviously the job is, as you said, seventy 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.360 percent of it is a val talent evaluation putting together 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.360 a team. But there is the pr aspect, right, Yes, 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:44.240 you're a great dude, you're a good person, You're very charismatic. 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:49.120 Do you feel like you need to do more interviews, 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.600 more things? Like this, to put yourself out there so 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.360 that people see who Quintin Harris is, because that is 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.280 such a big part of the job, the public perception. Yes, 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:02.440 I think so. In for me, that's a battle that 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:06.880 I fight regularly with myself because i'm I'll take you back. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:11.800 I'm from Wilkesbury, Pennsylvania, Northeastern Pennsylvania coal mining region. Everybody 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.240 puts their head down and they work and you wait 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:18.160 for good things to happen. So I think I do 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.480 agree I probably need to do a little more and 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.000 put myself out there. But I've never really been like 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:25.880 the self promoting type. Even though it may not be 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.000 self promoting, you know, I just got to get over 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.439 that hurdle of just coming in and work and grinding. Um. 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:35.040 It is important because people see it. Owners are watching television, 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.400 owners are you know, online reading. So I think it's 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.760 important and I gotta understand that. You know, that's another 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.319 area that despite how well I do in terms of 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.400 my job, there's also you have to have the presence. 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.080 You have to be out there, you have to have 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.640 you know, be recognizable. So I think that's something that 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.520 I've been working on, and I know I know Tim 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.439 and all the guys they're like, hey, Q, don't we 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.480 do this. I'm like, okay, I'll do it. Yeah, and 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.840 again I enjoy it, but it's you know, it's part 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:05.000 of me. It's like that a little humility aspect of 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:06.880 it that I understand, kind of kind of get over. 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.000 But you know, that's how I was raised. So it's 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.160 definitely something I'm working on. And it's not that I 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.880 don't enjoy it. It's just, you know, we're always taught 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.120 don't read your press clippings. Just go to work on 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.760 to the next thing. It's tough because you have a 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:22.800 job to you here and you respect Steve Kim who's 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:26.000 the GM, and you want to do your job here, 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.720 but obviously you have other goals. Yes, and I'm around 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.600 either assistant coaches or people in personnel departments, whether it's 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:36.160 the NFL or NBA or even in you know, college sports, 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:41.400 and it's it's it's that tight role because your personality 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.480 is similar to mine. Just put your head down and 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.200 work and if you work hard, hopefully good things will happen. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:50.960 You don't need to be the person that's you know, 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.400 I'm not a first I'm not going to be on 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.080 first take You know, I'm not going to be going 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.000 back back and forth with Steve and A. It's just 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.440 not my personality. I'm gonna go and do a game 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:00.959 and I'm gonna it's gonna be about the game. It's 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:02.440 not gonna be about me. And I know that you're 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:04.840 that you're the same way. Yes, all right, So let's 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:09.480 let's talk about what happened last week. And when the 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:13.640 news came down about the acquisition of Hollywood Brown, I 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.160 think Cardinal fans everywhere, I know there were some people 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:18.920 that said, well, look what you're giving up. But I mean, 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.280 you guys were a playoff team last year. Yes, you're 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.679 enhancing your roster by adding him. Can you take us through? 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:26.360 And I'm sure there's some things you can't say, but 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.680 the timeline of kind of how this went down, So 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:35.880 the talks were they were light, um previously, you know, 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.400 a few days previously, light talks and the kind of 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.800 heat it up and as uh, you know, we did 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:46.400 an outstanding job of setting our draft board. Unfortunately, those 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.880 players that we really covet it started going and knowing 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.600 you know, when when Hop got hurt, knowing that you know, 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.040 we're gonna need some depth and gonna need a playmaker. 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.800 But how do you do that when financially, you know, 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.920 these receivers are getting paid. So when we got to 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.880 close to our pick and we finalized everything, it was 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.600 a situation. It was like, look, we're getting an outstanding player. 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.599 Obviously he played with Kyler, gives us some juice in 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.480 the vertical passing game. But the biggest thing is when 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.959 you're talking about paying I believe fifteen million total between 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.120 the two years, the two million this year and the 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.520 picking up the option of thirteen million, when you're looking 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.120 at other guys, because people are like, well, why didn't 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.280 you target this guy or that guy? Those guys are 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.120 getting paid and right now, we weren't in position the 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.040 really you know, taking on those types of contracts. So 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.760 at that point in the draft, is Hollywood Brown going 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.120 to have more of an impact than anyone that we 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.319 were going to draft right now? And the answer was yes. 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:44.960 So at that point it was an easy call for us. 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.079 Super excited, you know, I know Kyler was like, I 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:49.720 didn't even know about it, you know, but it was 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.040 one of those things that I wanted to keep quiet, 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.360 and it happened rapidly as we got closer. I know 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.360 it's hard probably for you to speak to this because 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.320 you weren't in Baltimore. But I was surprised is that 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:04.880 they made the move given that they need weapons for 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.760 Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson clearly was surprised based on his tweet. 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.840 And you know, Hollywood's numbers have been pretty good as 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.360 you look at their system and then maybe the Cardinal system. 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.920 How do you think he fits better here? Well, obviously 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.480 they're a run first team. They like the play action 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.360 passed of you know, deep overs, So Hollywood's opportunity. He's 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.960 gonna have more opportunity here than he did in Baltimore. 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:30.480 So I think that's the biggest thing, because you know, 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.080 even though we do have a solid run game, we're 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.320 gonna throw the ball around. We're gonna use four wide, 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.920 five wide at times, so for him to fit in 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.800 and you know, be excited about opportunity because I think 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.000 that was part of it too, you know, the opportunity. 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.360 If you're a receiver, you want the ball. So I 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.760 think it was you know, the differences offenses for Hollywood 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.400 is going to be very good for him. So when 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.720 you told Kyler what was his see that I don't 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.920 know the conversation with Kyler. I wasn't in on that 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.079 at part of it, but I do know, you know, 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.280 the conversation that I heard that he's super excited because again, 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.520 you're getting a teammate and they had big numbers out 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.520 and know you I remember doing one of their games 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.440 at Iowa State when they were both there and he 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.320 threw like a seventy five yard pass. He you know, 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.280 Hollywood got behind the defense, and that's I started thinking 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.720 about that play, like we you know, we've had guys 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.280 that can do that, but he's a threat every play 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.840 where you're taking the top off the defense. I mean, 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.720 you got to worry about him deep every single play. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.560 Kyler's not afraid to throw it deep. And now you 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:40.160 got everything else opening up underneath. And you got to 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.040 remember too. One thing, and I think Rondelle did a 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.240 nice job, but one thing we've been lacking over the 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.720 years is that run after catch guy. Now we have 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.880 two of them, because after the catch, Holly can Hollywood 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.360 can cut to a bubble screen take it to the house. 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.640 Rondelle can do the same thing, and that's something that 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:57.880 we definitely wanted to improve. Now we have two guys 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:59.360 that can do it. We have two guys that can 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.120 make miss match, which is in space. So you mentioned 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.160 that most of the guys that you were thinking about 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:09.600 taking were gone. Is there a player that you looked at? 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.040 You know, now that the trade is over with, you 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.680 look back and see, Okay, like when Tyler Linderbaum, I 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:17.840 mean he was a player that I know the Cardinals liked, 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:22.320 a lot of teams liked him. Was there anybody else 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.040 that you were like? You know, had we not made 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:28.320 that move, we might have taken this player at that point. 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.800 I think we did like Linderbaum. But I think at 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.840 that point we wanted an im mediant impact player and 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.680 that's why Hollywood ended up being that guy, because we 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.760 did like Linderbaum. He's I mean, he's he form. In 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.840 my opinion, he was a he's a camp miss center. 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.160 You know, when it comes to a guy that's going 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.600 to have a successful career, But we wanted someone who's 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.920 going to impact the game immediately. So do you feel 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.760 like in all your years here that this year, compared 0:15:55.760 --> 0:16:00.120 to others, was more about enhancement rather than building through 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:01.920 the draft? I mean you're always looking at the future, 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.200 but just looking also what you guys have done in 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.600 free agency. It's not like you guys are going out 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.680 and trying to make over a team. Yeah. No, it 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.680 was definitely I would say this for our draft, the 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.000 way it ended up shaking out, it ended up really 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:22.800 being more along the lines of best player available. I 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.120 think we really because there was guys that kind of 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.280 stuck out that you know, Oh, why did you guys 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.480 take Trey McBride. We loved them and he was We 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:32.200 had a high grade on him and that's why we 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.400 took him. So I think this is more of a 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.400 not necessarily was a need based draft, but best player 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:42.240 available that ended up being that ended up feeling needs 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.320 for us. So I think it was obviously want to 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.960 enhance it, but it wasn't a rebuild. It was just 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:53.240 really a best player available. Tray McBride, you mentioned what 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.960 do you see his role being in this offense? Is 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.800 he more similar to Zach Ertz or to Max Williams. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.680 He's more si to Max Williams, a little younger, a 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.080 little more athletic. Again, in this day and age, it's 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.840 very difficult to get a tight end who can catch 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.680 the ball and be a receiver as well as running block. 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:13.840 That's why we loved Trey so much, because he's a 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.800 guy that can line in line and knock people off 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.359 the ball, or he can flex out and be matched 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.800 up a versus a safety and you feel good. So 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.920 that was one thing we were very excited about with Trey. 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.639 All Right, you your two pass rushers. You took in 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:32.119 the third round, Cam Thomas, my J Sanders. Tell me 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.040 I saw my J this year. Had Cincinnati early in 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.280 the season. Obviously they had an incredible year and they 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.879 had a really good defense. He was a player that 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.560 stood out. I remember in the game, and maybe his 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.800 measurables weren't first round, but the guy was making plays. 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.000 So I'm curious him. And then player that I really 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.000 don't know much about, Cam Thomas. Tell me about bout 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.040 those guys. Yeah, so I'll start with Cam since we 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:58.200 took him first. But Cam is a from a San 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.160 Diego state. He's super at athletic. And what you loved 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.919 about Cam is you loved his interview, You love the intensity, 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:05.800 but and you love the way he played the game. 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.080 And also with Cam is he showed some ability to 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:10.960 put his hand in the ground and play some of 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.080 the five play some of the outside backer stuff due 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.680 to his athleticism. So we really loved his motor, his temperament. 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.560 And again it started more so last year. We wanted 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.960 to bring in guys who have that leadership ability and 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.199 Cam was one of those guys. Even though he was 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.359 a younger guy, he showed the leadership ability and we 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:32.159 love that. Now, Maje, you look at his numbers, you're like, 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:34.280 they're kind of a whole hum But if you really 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.840 study the tape and you really study how disrupt if 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:40.120 this guy is and again to your point, didn't have 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:44.960 elite measurables. And I think there's a little misinformation out 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.800 there because he weighed two twenty eight, but he did 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.840 get sick, lost some weight. He plays at two forty Okay, yeah, 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.560 he's a he's a two forty, two forty seven type 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.520 of guy. And last time we spoke he was two 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.480 forty two. So he ended up getting sick, losing some weight. 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.720 He gained the weight back, but Maja, you're getting a 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.800 guy that is a tempo center. Um plays with his 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.679 hair on fire, tons of upside. Now he's gonna have 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.520 to work on finishing rushers because he missed about seven 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.159 sacks just because he's you know, he plays with that 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.120 temple in that effort. So there's little details that all 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.080 these guys need to work on. But specifically, Maja is 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:20.440 just going to have to just to slow down a 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:22.400 little bit. And that's always good when you can tell 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.159 a guy just to slow down just a little bit, 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.240 as opposed to prodding him and getting him going. So 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.680 we're super excited about both those guys, both disruptive players. 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.960 The other guys that is almost a JJ Walt clone 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.560 in his mind. He loves JJ has the number has 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.159 the SLeague speaking of Cam Thomas. So we're super excited 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:45.679 about these guys. There's always at least one guy drafted 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.000 rounds four through seven that it ends up being a 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.960 perennial Pro bowler, and there's usually multiple. So there was 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.720 a player that was drafted on Saturday, History says that 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:59.160 it's going to be a perennial Pro Bowl player if 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.760 that player is somebody that you picked, And obviously, I'm 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:03.919 sure you think that one of the guys you picked 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.520 or multiple has a chance. Is there anybody of those 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.520 guys that were picked late that you're really excited about 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:13.520 you really think has a chance? Yeah, I really like 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.680 Lucida Smith, our guard we took out of Virginia Tech. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:23.000 This guy is athletic, he's an excellent pooler. He's tough, 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.439 he's physical, and a lot of times, you know, you 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.800 watch NFL lineman and you're like, ah, he's tough, he's strong, 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.600 but he's slow footed. This guy is everything. So he 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.200