1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to a post NFL Draft edition of the Dave 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host, Dave Pash, ESPN and Arizona 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: Cardinals announcer. Our guest this week his vice president player 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: personnel for the Arizona Cardinals, Quentin Harris. To talk obviously 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: about the NFL Draft and the acquisition of Hollywood Brown, 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: and we're going to get there, but we're going to 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: start with talking about Quintin's background. He's a former player, 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: played at Syracuse. I actually did his games at Syracuse 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: and then did his games when he was a member 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. We'll talk about how he got 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: into this business, when he started thinking about getting into 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: being a personnel guy. We'll also discuss his interview with 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: the New York Giants, he was one of the candidates 14 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: for their general manager position. And then obviously we're going 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: to get into how the trade went down to bring 16 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, what he'll bring to the offense in twenty 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: twenty two. At that point in the draft, is Hollywood 18 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: going to have more of an impact than anyone that 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: we're going to draft right now? And the answer was yes, 20 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: So at that point it was an easy call for us. 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: Also Ques thoughts on Trey McBride, the Cardinals second round selection, 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: the two pass rushers they selected in the third round, 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: some of the late round picks, and then also what 24 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: Quentin thinks about Kyler Murray, his growth and the potential 25 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals. In twenty twenty two, we are 26 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: presented by betmgm, the official sports betting partner of the 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals and Hila River Hotels in casinos. 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I'm gonna be 36 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: fifty this year, and I've known you twenty five years. 37 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: I was calling Syracuse games when you were playing there, 38 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: and I remember my first year here in two thousand 39 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: and two was your first year, and I remember seeing 40 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: you getting onto the plane or I was onto the 41 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 1: bus to go to the plane for the first preseason 42 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: road game, and you were dressed like in a three 43 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: piece suit because Paul Pascalone to the head coach, always 44 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: made the players dress in suits. What do you recall 45 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: from your first training camp, your first preseason, your first season, 46 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: because I don't think people remember you played well, you 47 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: played four years here than you spent a year with Denver. Yes, yes, 48 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: and you started some games. You played sixteen games I 49 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: think three different years, so you had a longer career 50 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: than most in the NFL as a player and then 51 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: obviously got into personnel. What do you recall from your 52 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: first camp, your first NFL experience, Well, the first NFL experience, 53 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: I could say is when I stepped into the building, 54 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: and again playing in the Big East, we saw the 55 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: fast guys, We saw that type of ability. But when 56 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 1: I walked in, my eyes popped out of my head 57 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: when I saw David Boston. I've never seen a physical 58 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: specimen at the receiver spot. Outside linebacker. Defensive n you 59 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: see guys like that, but a guy built like that 60 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: at the receiver spot. There was a gulp that went 61 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: down my throat that that was the biggest thing that 62 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: stuck to me initially of wow, this guy has traps 63 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: on top of traps. Are all the receivers like this? 64 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: So for me that was eye opening. But once I 65 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: got settled in, because again I came in with a 66 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: huge chip on my shoulder being undrafted, So once that 67 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: part of wow, these guys are big or fast, but 68 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: guess what so am I? So once that part settled, 69 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, you know, I belong here and 70 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to be here. So that's the thing when 71 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: I initially got here that I can take from my 72 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: initial experience. When did you start thinking about personnel? Was 73 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: that something that was always of interest to you or 74 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: did it happen after you were done playing or was 75 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: it during your career? A little both. So let me 76 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: take you back in high school. I was one of 77 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: those guys that would buy the Lendy's, The Street and 78 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: Smith The Athlon, all those football magazines the preseason. I 79 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: would read them, go through them. So I was always 80 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: intrigued with the personnel aspect of it. But really it 81 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: started when Steve mentioned to again, let me rewind a 82 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: little bit. Steve was an area scout in Syracuse when 83 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: I was there, So I met Steve a few times 84 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: because we had a mutual acquaintance my strength and conditioning 85 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: coach William Hicks with Steve, so I met Steve a 86 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: few times when he was on his visit. So fast forward, 87 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: Steve and I had a great relationship. So the college 88 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: scouts would come out during training camp and we would 89 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: talk a little bit, and he was like, Hey, when 90 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: you're done, you might want to think about personnel. So 91 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: at that time I wasn't thinking about it until he 92 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: mentioned it, and I was like, hmm, you know, I 93 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: can stay in the football world. I love that. This 94 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: is what I do. This is all I ever wanted 95 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: to do. So I would say it started maybe my 96 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: second year in the NFL thinking about it, and then 97 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: obviously when I was done, it was an easy transition, 98 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: went from a locker to an office. You're a vice president. 99 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: Now you interviewed with the Giants for their general manager position. Yes, 100 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: you're going to be a GM at some point. I'm 101 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: assuming that's a goal for you. Yes. What was the 102 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: interview process like in the experience, Like, what were your 103 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: takeaways from it and did it help you going through 104 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: this process with the Giants. Yeah, first of all, it 105 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: was I'm very thankful for mister merrimister Tish for interviewing me. 106 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: But it initially you know, you know what's coming at 107 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: some point, but when you get the call like hey, 108 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: we're going to interview you, your mind stars starts rolling. 109 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: And for me, I really just had the step back 110 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: because when you when you get that call, you start 111 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: to think about every scenario, every section of the building 112 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to know and understand. So I 113 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: really had to just step back and say, you know what, 114 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: seventy percent of this stuff I've been doing since I 115 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: got here in two thousand and eight, So I removed 116 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: that part of the equation in terms of building, the 117 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: draft board, free agency, all those things that all those 118 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: things I didn't focus on as much because I was 119 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm flewing in so I really just focused on the 120 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: logistic side of things, you know, things that Mattie Carciola 121 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: does and getting a better feel for that. So I 122 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: was super prepared, I can tell you that much. And 123 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: it was one of those things where there was no 124 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: question that stumped me. You know, I had answers for everything. 125 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: I had a detailed plan for everything, they asked about. 126 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: And I really walked out that interview not with I 127 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: don't want to say zero regrets, because I'm sure there's 128 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: some small things, but I left that that interview feeling 129 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: like I would change very little. And even when I 130 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: got the call, you know, from mister marrisaying they were 131 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: going in another direction, I still felt really good about 132 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: the interview process. And for me, it kind of lifts 133 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: that veil up of what's behind the curtain because you 134 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: just you just don't know until you experience. You can 135 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: ask people and talk to people, but you don't know. 136 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: So for me, it was going through that process the 137 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: first time and really understanding and being being comfortable once 138 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: I got in the seat, because obviously I was a 139 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: little nervous. It's a you know, a big job that 140 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: I want. It I really wanted, so I was nervous. 141 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: But once I went through the process and stepped away, 142 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, you know, I'm ready for the next one. 143 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's just a little more confidence. I'm ready 144 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: for the next one. Because again, you go in so 145 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: blind because you just don't know what kind of questions 146 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna get, so you try to prepare for everything sure, 147 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: and that's why that's seventy percent of the football stuff 148 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: I kind of just put on the back burner because 149 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: if I can't talk about that, I don't need to 150 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: be sitting here interviewing for this position. Sure, so that 151 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: was my approach, but it was as an experience. I'm 152 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: looking forward to the next next one that comes up. 153 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: But um, my biggest takeaway that it's uh, it ended 154 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: up being more of a conversation. Because you think you're 155 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: gonna come in and it's gonna be all formal, you're 156 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: gonna be tight. It was. It was a it was 157 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: a nice conversation. How much do you think? And we'll 158 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: get into because I'm sure people listening want to hear 159 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: about the trade for Hollywood and the draft and your 160 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: thoughts on the twenty twenty two team, But how much 161 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: do you think? And maybe you can tell from being 162 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: around Steve Obviously the job is, as you said, seventy 163 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: percent of it is a val talent evaluation putting together 164 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: a team. But there is the pr aspect, right, Yes, 165 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: you're a great dude, you're a good person, You're very charismatic. 166 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you need to do more interviews, 167 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: more things? Like this, to put yourself out there so 168 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: that people see who Quintin Harris is, because that is 169 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: such a big part of the job, the public perception. Yes, 170 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: I think so. In for me, that's a battle that 171 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: I fight regularly with myself because i'm I'll take you back. 172 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm from Wilkesbury, Pennsylvania, Northeastern Pennsylvania coal mining region. Everybody 173 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: puts their head down and they work and you wait 174 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: for good things to happen. So I think I do 175 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: agree I probably need to do a little more and 176 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: put myself out there. But I've never really been like 177 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: the self promoting type. Even though it may not be 178 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: self promoting, you know, I just got to get over 179 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: that hurdle of just coming in and work and grinding. Um. 180 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: It is important because people see it. Owners are watching television, 181 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: owners are you know, online reading. So I think it's 182 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: important and I gotta understand that. You know, that's another 183 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: area that despite how well I do in terms of 184 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: my job, there's also you have to have the presence. 185 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: You have to be out there, you have to have 186 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, be recognizable. So I think that's something that 187 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: I've been working on, and I know I know Tim 188 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: and all the guys they're like, hey, Q, don't we 189 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: do this. I'm like, okay, I'll do it. Yeah, and 190 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: again I enjoy it, but it's you know, it's part 191 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: of me. It's like that a little humility aspect of 192 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: it that I understand, kind of kind of get over. 193 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: But you know, that's how I was raised. So it's 194 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: definitely something I'm working on. And it's not that I 195 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: don't enjoy it. It's just, you know, we're always taught 196 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: don't read your press clippings. Just go to work on 197 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: to the next thing. It's tough because you have a 198 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: job to you here and you respect Steve Kim who's 199 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: the GM, and you want to do your job here, 200 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: but obviously you have other goals. Yes, and I'm around 201 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: either assistant coaches or people in personnel departments, whether it's 202 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: the NFL or NBA or even in you know, college sports, 203 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's that tight role because your personality 204 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: is similar to mine. Just put your head down and 205 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: work and if you work hard, hopefully good things will happen. 206 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: You don't need to be the person that's you know, 207 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm not a first I'm not going to be on 208 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: first take You know, I'm not going to be going 209 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: back back and forth with Steve and A. It's just 210 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: not my personality. I'm gonna go and do a game 211 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna it's gonna be about the game. It's 212 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: not gonna be about me. And I know that you're 213 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: that you're the same way. Yes, all right, So let's 214 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: let's talk about what happened last week. And when the 215 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: news came down about the acquisition of Hollywood Brown, I 216 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: think Cardinal fans everywhere, I know there were some people 217 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: that said, well, look what you're giving up. But I mean, 218 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: you guys were a playoff team last year. Yes, you're 219 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: enhancing your roster by adding him. Can you take us through? 220 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's some things you can't say, but 221 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: the timeline of kind of how this went down, So 222 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: the talks were they were light, um previously, you know, 223 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: a few days previously, light talks and the kind of 224 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: heat it up and as uh, you know, we did 225 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: an outstanding job of setting our draft board. Unfortunately, those 226 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: players that we really covet it started going and knowing 227 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, when when Hop got hurt, knowing that you know, 228 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna need some depth and gonna need a playmaker. 229 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: But how do you do that when financially, you know, 230 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: these receivers are getting paid. So when we got to 231 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: close to our pick and we finalized everything, it was 232 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: a situation. It was like, look, we're getting an outstanding player. 233 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,599 Speaker 1: Obviously he played with Kyler, gives us some juice in 234 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: the vertical passing game. But the biggest thing is when 235 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: you're talking about paying I believe fifteen million total between 236 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: the two years, the two million this year and the 237 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: picking up the option of thirteen million, when you're looking 238 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: at other guys, because people are like, well, why didn't 239 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: you target this guy or that guy? Those guys are 240 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: getting paid and right now, we weren't in position the 241 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: really you know, taking on those types of contracts. So 242 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: at that point in the draft, is Hollywood Brown going 243 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: to have more of an impact than anyone that we 244 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: were going to draft right now? And the answer was yes. 245 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: So at that point it was an easy call for us. 246 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: Super excited, you know, I know Kyler was like, I 247 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: didn't even know about it, you know, but it was 248 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: one of those things that I wanted to keep quiet, 249 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: and it happened rapidly as we got closer. I know 250 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: it's hard probably for you to speak to this because 251 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: you weren't in Baltimore. But I was surprised is that 252 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: they made the move given that they need weapons for 253 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson clearly was surprised based on his tweet. 254 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: And you know, Hollywood's numbers have been pretty good as 255 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: you look at their system and then maybe the Cardinal system. 256 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: How do you think he fits better here? Well, obviously 257 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: they're a run first team. They like the play action 258 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: passed of you know, deep overs, So Hollywood's opportunity. He's 259 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: gonna have more opportunity here than he did in Baltimore. 260 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: So I think that's the biggest thing, because you know, 261 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: even though we do have a solid run game, we're 262 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: gonna throw the ball around. We're gonna use four wide, 263 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: five wide at times, so for him to fit in 264 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: and you know, be excited about opportunity because I think 265 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: that was part of it too, you know, the opportunity. 266 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: If you're a receiver, you want the ball. So I 267 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: think it was you know, the differences offenses for Hollywood 268 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: is going to be very good for him. So when 269 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: you told Kyler what was his see that I don't 270 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: know the conversation with Kyler. I wasn't in on that 271 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: at part of it, but I do know, you know, 272 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: the conversation that I heard that he's super excited because again, 273 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: you're getting a teammate and they had big numbers out 274 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: and know you I remember doing one of their games 275 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: at Iowa State when they were both there and he 276 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: threw like a seventy five yard pass. He you know, 277 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: Hollywood got behind the defense, and that's I started thinking 278 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: about that play, like we you know, we've had guys 279 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: that can do that, but he's a threat every play 280 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: where you're taking the top off the defense. I mean, 281 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: you got to worry about him deep every single play. 282 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: Kyler's not afraid to throw it deep. And now you 283 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: got everything else opening up underneath. And you got to 284 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: remember too. One thing, and I think Rondelle did a 285 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: nice job, but one thing we've been lacking over the 286 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: years is that run after catch guy. Now we have 287 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: two of them, because after the catch, Holly can Hollywood 288 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: can cut to a bubble screen take it to the house. 289 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: Rondelle can do the same thing, and that's something that 290 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: we definitely wanted to improve. Now we have two guys 291 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: that can do it. We have two guys that can 292 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: make miss match, which is in space. So you mentioned 293 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: that most of the guys that you were thinking about 294 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: taking were gone. Is there a player that you looked at? 295 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: You know, now that the trade is over with, you 296 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: look back and see, Okay, like when Tyler Linderbaum, I 297 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: mean he was a player that I know the Cardinals liked, 298 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: a lot of teams liked him. Was there anybody else 299 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: that you were like? You know, had we not made 300 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: that move, we might have taken this player at that point. 301 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: I think we did like Linderbaum. But I think at 302 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: that point we wanted an im mediant impact player and 303 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: that's why Hollywood ended up being that guy, because we 304 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: did like Linderbaum. He's I mean, he's he form. In 305 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: my opinion, he was a he's a camp miss center. 306 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: You know, when it comes to a guy that's going 307 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: to have a successful career, But we wanted someone who's 308 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: going to impact the game immediately. So do you feel 309 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: like in all your years here that this year, compared 310 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: to others, was more about enhancement rather than building through 311 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: the draft? I mean you're always looking at the future, 312 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: but just looking also what you guys have done in 313 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: free agency. It's not like you guys are going out 314 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: and trying to make over a team. Yeah. No, it 315 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: was definitely I would say this for our draft, the 316 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: way it ended up shaking out, it ended up really 317 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: being more along the lines of best player available. I 318 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: think we really because there was guys that kind of 319 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: stuck out that you know, Oh, why did you guys 320 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: take Trey McBride. We loved them and he was We 321 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: had a high grade on him and that's why we 322 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: took him. So I think this is more of a 323 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: not necessarily was a need based draft, but best player 324 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: available that ended up being that ended up feeling needs 325 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: for us. So I think it was obviously want to 326 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: enhance it, but it wasn't a rebuild. It was just 327 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: really a best player available. Tray McBride, you mentioned what 328 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: do you see his role being in this offense? Is 329 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: he more similar to Zach Ertz or to Max Williams. 330 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: He's more si to Max Williams, a little younger, a 331 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: little more athletic. Again, in this day and age, it's 332 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: very difficult to get a tight end who can catch 333 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: the ball and be a receiver as well as running block. 334 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: That's why we loved Trey so much, because he's a 335 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: guy that can line in line and knock people off 336 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: the ball, or he can flex out and be matched 337 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: up a versus a safety and you feel good. So 338 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: that was one thing we were very excited about with Trey. 339 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: All Right, you your two pass rushers. You took in 340 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: the third round, Cam Thomas, my J Sanders. Tell me 341 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: I saw my J this year. Had Cincinnati early in 342 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: the season. Obviously they had an incredible year and they 343 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: had a really good defense. He was a player that 344 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: stood out. I remember in the game, and maybe his 345 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: measurables weren't first round, but the guy was making plays. 346 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: So I'm curious him. And then player that I really 347 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: don't know much about, Cam Thomas. Tell me about bout 348 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, so I'll start with Cam since we 349 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: took him first. But Cam is a from a San 350 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: Diego state. He's super at athletic. And what you loved 351 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: about Cam is you loved his interview, You love the intensity, 352 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: but and you love the way he played the game. 353 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: And also with Cam is he showed some ability to 354 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: put his hand in the ground and play some of 355 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: the five play some of the outside backer stuff due 356 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: to his athleticism. So we really loved his motor, his temperament. 357 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: And again it started more so last year. We wanted 358 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: to bring in guys who have that leadership ability and 359 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: Cam was one of those guys. Even though he was 360 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: a younger guy, he showed the leadership ability and we 361 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: love that. Now, Maje, you look at his numbers, you're like, 362 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: they're kind of a whole hum But if you really 363 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: study the tape and you really study how disrupt if 364 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: this guy is and again to your point, didn't have 365 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: elite measurables. And I think there's a little misinformation out 366 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: there because he weighed two twenty eight, but he did 367 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: get sick, lost some weight. He plays at two forty Okay, yeah, 368 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: he's a he's a two forty, two forty seven type 369 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: of guy. And last time we spoke he was two 370 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: forty two. So he ended up getting sick, losing some weight. 371 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: He gained the weight back, but Maja, you're getting a 372 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: guy that is a tempo center. Um plays with his 373 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: hair on fire, tons of upside. Now he's gonna have 374 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: to work on finishing rushers because he missed about seven 375 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: sacks just because he's you know, he plays with that 376 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: temple in that effort. So there's little details that all 377 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: these guys need to work on. But specifically, Maja is 378 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: just going to have to just to slow down a 379 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: little bit. And that's always good when you can tell 380 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: a guy just to slow down just a little bit, 381 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: as opposed to prodding him and getting him going. So 382 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: we're super excited about both those guys, both disruptive players. 383 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: The other guys that is almost a JJ Walt clone 384 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: in his mind. He loves JJ has the number has 385 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: the SLeague speaking of Cam Thomas. So we're super excited 386 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: about these guys. There's always at least one guy drafted 387 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: rounds four through seven that it ends up being a 388 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: perennial Pro bowler, and there's usually multiple. So there was 389 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: a player that was drafted on Saturday, History says that 390 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: it's going to be a perennial Pro Bowl player if 391 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: that player is somebody that you picked, And obviously, I'm 392 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: sure you think that one of the guys you picked 393 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: or multiple has a chance. Is there anybody of those 394 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: guys that were picked late that you're really excited about 395 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: you really think has a chance? Yeah, I really like 396 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: Lucida Smith, our guard we took out of Virginia Tech. 397 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: This guy is athletic, he's an excellent pooler. He's tough, 398 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: he's physical, and a lot of times, you know, you 399 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: watch NFL lineman and you're like, ah, he's tough, he's strong, 400 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: but he's slow footed. This guy is everything. So he 401 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: was a steel in my opinion for us. He's one 402 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: guy that once he gets his opportunity, it's it's gonna 403 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: be tough to remove him from the seat. And I 404 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: think you know his temperament. And again when we talk 405 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: about bringing these A and B football characters guys in, 406 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: he's one of those guys. Is you look at the 407 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: acquisitions overall from the offseason, There's a player that I 408 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: brought up several times in conversation I've had publicly when 409 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: people ask me about the team and what the team's doing, 410 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: and a lot of people said, well, the Cardinals need 411 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: to draft the corner in the first round. I said, 412 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, there's a player that the Cardinals got who 413 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: was with the Vikings, who was a first round pick 414 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: two years ago. And Jeff Gladdy. Now I know there 415 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: were some off the field issues which I believe have 416 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: been checking care and you guys did your homework on 417 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: Jeff Lady. Yeah, off field issues have been cleaned up. 418 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: And again, if you remember back, he's a guy that 419 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: we loved him to draft as well. Obviously couldn't get him, 420 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: and we feel like, again that's another steal because you're 421 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: getting a young first round We had a first round 422 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: grade on him. We're getting a young player in our building. 423 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: And again the depth wise was a concern last year, 424 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: so I think we addressed that with adding him. But 425 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: he's a guy. He's a press corner guy and you 426 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: know VJ likes to play man defense. But also this 427 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: guy is smart when when we asked him to get 428 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: in the when we're gonna ask him to get in 429 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: the zones, he shows the aptitude for that. And again 430 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: he's another guy that's going to come in, bring his 431 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: lunch pill and go to work. All right, last thing 432 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: on the moves that were made in the offseason, and 433 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: we can fast forward a little bit to what we 434 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: think about the fall. Clearly one of the initiatives was, hey, 435 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: let's keep our core. Zach Ertz, James Connor and Colt 436 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: McCoy were obviously priorities for you guys, how he played 437 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: when Kyler was hurt, but also how Kyler looks up 438 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: to him and the relationship that's there, and ERT's being 439 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: as productive as he was, and James Connor. I don't 440 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: know if anybody could have foreseen what Connor did last year. 441 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: Maybe you guys did. If you did, you guys are geniuses, 442 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: because the guy was one of the best players in 443 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: football last year. Yeah, Canny do it again. Yes, And 444 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: this is why. It's his skill set and more importantly, 445 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: how Cliff uses him because people just thought, you know, 446 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: James as this, you know, tough running downhill player, when 447 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 1: in fact, you can move him out to the slot. 448 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: Guess what he's gonna do. He's gonna create a mismatch 449 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: versus the linebacker. And I think that went under the radar. 450 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't think that a 451 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: team is going to be able to prepare for all 452 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: our weapons. So I do believe he's going to have 453 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: the same success in what he brought to the table. 454 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: And you know he was actually he was one of 455 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: our higher rated running backs in that free agency draft 456 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: two years ago. Out of free agency period two years ago. 457 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: So I believe he's gonna be able to replicate it. 458 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: Part of it his skill set, but the other part, 459 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: Cliff is a magician when it comes to moving guys around, 460 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: creating matchups. So now he's he We're excited what he's 461 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: gonna do. Obviously we're having this conversation in early May 462 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: that the team is going to change between now in 463 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: week one, there's gonna be moves. You guys are the 464 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: way you guys have done things over the years, you've 465 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: never done which I love. I love the fact that 466 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: you guys are always searching and I assume part of 467 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: your role is you've got to know everybody on every 468 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: team because if there is a veteran or someone that's 469 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: cut in camp or before camp, you've got to first 470 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: of all know their skill set, but know the money 471 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: and then had that conversation with Steve right, is that 472 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: a big part of your role. That's a huge part. 473 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: And really it it started already in terms of when 474 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: we talk about building our ready list. So all those 475 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: free agents that are still on the street, we have 476 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: all those guys on a ready list, ranked and ready 477 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: to go. So those are the free agents. Now you 478 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: touched on guys that are currently on rosters. One thing 479 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: we always do every year is each player on the 480 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: active roster is going to get a report and put 481 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: in on them. So we're going to have an up 482 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: to date, accurate grade. So when a guy a team 483 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: calls and wants to trade a guy or a player 484 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: gets cut, we have an active grade as an alert. 485 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: So once a guy, if a guy has a starting 486 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: level grade and he's cut, that alerts everyone. All right, 487 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: let's take a look. Let's dig a little deeper. So 488 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: we're we're always prepared. Everybody has a report, we know 489 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: who's out there now. The money thing that's you know, 490 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: that'll fall in Matt Harris's hand for the most part 491 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: because we'll bring guys and he's say, hey, this guy 492 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: may not fit under the cap or whatever the case is. 493 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: But we're super prepared in terms of our ready list. 494 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: Adrian Clenn Fox, those guys who kind of had the 495 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: pro department, Andrew Casking, all those guys do a phenomenal 496 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: job of being on top of it. And it's funny 497 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: because it's it's one of those thankfullest jobs because you 498 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: spend hours of watching tape making sure these guys, first 499 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: of all fit what we do. And then second of all, 500 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: how will we stack them? How do we rank these guys? 501 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: And you know, we've done a phenomenal job in the 502 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: last few years. So as we fast forward to twenty 503 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: twenty two without knowing exactly what the roster is going 504 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: to look like, because obviously things are going to happen 505 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: between now and then, what do you think based on 506 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: how the season ended, what do you think is the 507 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: biggest concern for you and the thing you're most excited about. 508 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: I think the and I think this all the other 509 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: thirty one teams probably say the same thing is staying healthy. 510 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: That's the biggest concern, is staying healthy, because you know, 511 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: one guy can can derail a season. I do think 512 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: that if you really look at it, we need to 513 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: understand that we're going to be hunted when we're winning, 514 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: and I think we're gaining that mindset of understanding we're 515 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: going to get Every team's a game. So I think 516 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: for me, seeing the guys that we're bringing in and 517 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: just the mental standpoint of understanding what we're gonna get 518 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: and being able to weather the storm weekend and week out. 519 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: So that's something that we're gonna have to work, and 520 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: I think we are. But the biggest thing I'm excited 521 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: about is the defense. I'm excited about the pieces we add, 522 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: the pressure we can generate, the tools from Isaiah to 523 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: Zavin to how we use Buddha, how we use JT. 524 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: We have a ton of talent Zach, JJ, all those 525 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: guys up front, So I'm excited about the defense and 526 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. I'm curious about Zavin because obviously 527 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: towards the end of the year he wasn't playing, and 528 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: sometimes when he was playing, he was in a different 529 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: role than many saw him. What do you think is 530 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: in the process of him becoming a more viable option 531 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: for you guys, what do you think that's gonna take. 532 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: I just think reps, just continuing to get better, to 533 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: continue to see things, and again, as you know, once 534 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: the season gets going, it things fly by, and I 535 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: think for Zaven the opportunity wasn't there, whether it was 536 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: based on who we were gonna who were matched up against. 537 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: So I think just him getting more reps of just 538 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: becoming more comfortable, that's gonna really set him apart. You 539 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: played with Donovan McNabb for four years, right, It's I 540 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: know Kyler's different than Donovan obviously, but I mean there 541 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: are some similarities because they both are pretty good athletes, yes, 542 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: and can throw it deep down the field. Yes. Is 543 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: there something about maybe Donovan in the way he played 544 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:53,239 Speaker 1: and his moxie and leadership skills that you're seeing from Kyler. So, 545 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: first of all, when you watch don actually play, there's 546 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: a calm about him. He never really looked pressured arousal, 547 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: and Kyler has that same demeanor in terms of, you know, 548 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: good play, bad play. He kind of has the same face. 549 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: You know what he's like, is he happy or is 550 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: he mad? Or is he But it's all whether he's 551 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: throwing a touchdown or or or an interception, it's always 552 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: the same face. And don was like that in terms 553 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: of the calm demeanor he has um but in terms 554 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: of the leadership component of it, Uh, they're different. Don 555 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: was like the jokester, you know, he wanted to have 556 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: a good time. Kyler's business like he Kyler gets on 557 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: the field, we're going we're going to work. You know, 558 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: we have an objective to win this game, and that's 559 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: what that's that's how we're going to work. So that 560 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: that's kind of the difference where Kyler is is really 561 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: not that don wasn't locked in, because he was, but 562 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: the how they handled themselves on the field. I think 563 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: that would be the difference in the two last question 564 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: on Kyler, And I've talked to Cliff and Steve about this, 565 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: and they've talked about this on on this podcast and 566 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: Adrian as well and Michael bidwell as well, that you're 567 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: seeing growth from Kyler terms of how he handles himself 568 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: with his teammates, or handles the huddle or the locker room. 569 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: What's the next step do you think for Kyler going 570 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: into year four, which for this whole organization is a 571 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: big year because we've seen steps. Each of the last 572 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: three years made the playoffs, didn't win, but now the 573 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: expectation is not only to make the playoffs, but get 574 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,239 Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. We saw it last year, and 575 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: I think he needs to take that next step forward 576 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: of bringing everyone else's game up with him. And that's 577 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: the great ones. The great ones make the guy who's 578 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: an average player into a good player, and I think 579 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: that's what we're seeing in Kyler to see these guys 580 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: that are good receivers, running backs, offensive lying, good players 581 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: raise their game up based on how he's playing in 582 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: his presence. So I think that's the next step for Kyler. 583 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: All right back to you. If I'm a Cardinal fan, 584 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: and because again you're all about business and you know 585 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: you're You're not the guy that's out there trying to 586 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: self promote and say, hey look at me. So for 587 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: people maybe don't know a lot about you, what's something 588 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: that you would want Cardinal fans to know about yourself? Uh, myself, 589 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: You're gonna get a humble, hard working person that I am. Quirky. Um. 590 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: I have a wide range of interest from telescopes to uh, 591 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: Lord of the Ring books to music. So I'm I'm 592 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: very reversed. I can fit in any situation. I can. 593 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: I can have dinner with anyone and feel comfortable. Um, 594 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm a guy that I fit in everywhere. Tell me 595 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: with the telescopes. So what do you mean tell us telescope? Yeah, 596 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: what do you start stargazing? You? Yeah? I got a 597 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: Celesti on one fifty telescope the GPS on there, I 598 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: can type in the coordinates and if I want to 599 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: see Mars, type in the coordinate coordinates and will automatically 600 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: do it. Um. I love hiking. I love the outdoors. Um, 601 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a jokester. Some may say, you 602 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: know so, I just like I enjoy life, like to 603 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: have a good time. The big thing with me is, 604 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: and everybody will tell me, relationships are important to me 605 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: in terms of work relationships and camaraderie because I believe 606 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: if you have an awesome work environment, people are gonna 607 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: work harder, they're gonna be more productive. So that's kind 608 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: of the vibe I want to get off, give off, 609 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: and you know that's what we try to build here 610 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: where not just one department has this you wanted to 611 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: permeate through the whole building. Last thing, Q, who were 612 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: some of your mentors who were either players that you 613 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: looked up to or coaches or people in personnel that 614 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: have helped shape who you are who I've had a 615 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: lot of those. I'm gonna go really my first, like 616 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: true football mentor, because again in high school you're always 617 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: the best player, so you know you really don't have 618 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: a mentor. But coach Pascalone, when I got the Syracuse 619 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: and when we stepped in that building again as a 620 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: true freshman, we reported it was like the military. We 621 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: had to shave our beards. We had to be clean cut. 622 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: And then you're like, you know, why do you have 623 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: all these rules? Why this? Why? Why do I have 624 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: to wear a suit everywhere? Why? Why? Why? But then 625 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: you understand he was preparing us to be men. So 626 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: I have a great appreciation for Coach P and he 627 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: I learned so much from him about just the business side. 628 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: Because all those lessons we learned at Syracuse, we can 629 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: apply them to any any walk, any in a part 630 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: of our lives. U I would say Rod Graves has 631 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: been huge for me. He gave me my first job. Really, 632 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: you know he uh, He's been a huge mentor for me. 633 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: We still talked to this day. We talked the other day. 634 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: Rod has been instrumental in my growth the last few years. 635 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: When we're talking about taking the next step. Um there, Wow, 636 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: there's so many people, but I would say the Rod, 637 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: Coach P. Obviously Jason Ltte. When I first got here, 638 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: I was you know again, like I said, I came 639 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: from a locker to an office and Jason Lytt and 640 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: myself we started at the same time. So I look 641 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: that he was my first set of eyes I laid 642 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: on someone in the personnel side, So a lot of 643 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: things I do. You know, we're based off of how 644 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: Jason moved and operated. So Jason Ltte was also another one. 645 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: Don't bring up Jason's name. He's he's on the bad 646 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: list right now. He owes me a steak dinner because 647 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: he texted during a preseason game. He's like, Hey, if 648 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: you can somehow I'm watching, If you can somehow get 649 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: in that Steve Kim and I are are still friends. 650 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: If you can get that in, I'll buy a steak dinner. 651 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: And I look at Wolf, I'm like, what does he think? 652 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: I'm an amateur? So of course, like I tell the producer, Hey, 653 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: come back, show a shot of the Steven and congratulations 654 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: to the Buccaneer's Oh Jason light he used to be 655 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: he the Cardinals gym of the Bucks and he and 656 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: Steve are still close. So Jason like right away text 657 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: like darn it and then h he still hasn't. He 658 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: still hasn't paid up. What we always say in personnel 659 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: when we're gonna sign an undrafted free agent a guy 660 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: to a high deal, until it's in writing, it doesn't matter. 661 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,959 Speaker 1: Now I think he'll I think he'll do. It's just 662 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: a matter. I was down there. I did for Westwood 663 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: when I did their game against the Rams where they lost. 664 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: But he was a little busy at it. Well, I'm 665 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna text them and shame them. Please do 666 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm I'm definitely gonna do that. I'm I'm gonna shoot 667 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: him in text and and um, I'll only charge you 668 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: ten percent from my for my for my you know, 669 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 1: it's fair, that's fair. That's what That's what a broadcast 670 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: agent charges. Sadly, uh is it ten percent? Okay? Yeah, 671 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: it's a little different for players, right, players are what 672 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: three four percent? Usually three? And then you'll have these 673 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: these agents that will come in, Hey, i'll do your 674 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: deal for one percent. You know those those types of 675 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: agents that do it for less. Right, So think you 676 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 1: right now, if you're Troy Aikman's agent who just got 677 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: a lot of money from ESPN, and you're getting ten percent, 678 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: and maybe that at that dollar figure, you're not getting 679 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: ten percent, But for for guys like me, that's what 680 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: that's getting less. I don't know. So there's players without agents, 681 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: for guys like yourself. Do you know any colleagues without agents? 682 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: And how do how does that work? Yeah, there are some. 683 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: There are some people that don't have agents. Most of 684 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,479 Speaker 1: the time, an agent helps negotiate. It's not necessarily about 685 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 1: getting you the position. It's more about handling the stuff 686 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: that you don't want to handle. It's you know, doing 687 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: all the negotiating. And you know, because if I went 688 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: in there, I would probably just take the first offer 689 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: because broadcasting is it's it's a lot different than being 690 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: a player. Like I worked with Brian Greasy for a 691 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: long time and it took Brian some time to understand, like, 692 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: wait a second, if I'm the best, I should be 693 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: doing X game. And I'm like, this is a different business. 694 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: The best player doesn't always play. Things are very subjective, 695 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: you know, usually the cream rises to the crop. But 696 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's only one job. There's only one 697 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: Monday night football job. And Brian eventually got the Monday 698 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: night football but it took I think it takes former 699 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: players when they get into this and coaches like a 700 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: while to understand like there's a little bit more politics 701 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: and more subjective than just now. I'm not saying there's 702 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: not politics and football. Yeah, well, the same thing when 703 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: you're talking about some of these higher end jobs sure, 704 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: I mean as a GM and coaching. But in terms 705 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: of as a player though, I mean you made the 706 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: team as an undrafted player because you're enough to make 707 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: the team. Yeah, And that's that's one thing. Coaches don't 708 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: want to get rid of good players, you know, So 709 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: when you know, you always hear this all the coach 710 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, didn't like men this, didn't that. Did you 711 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: really do everything you needed to do in the weight room, 712 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: in the training room, did you in the meeting room? 713 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: Did you really do all those things? So some guys 714 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: get clouded, and sure it comes to that. So I 715 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: definitely understand. Well, listen, man, you've been great, and you 716 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: know I'm a big fan and so I'm a little biased, 717 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: but I you do such a great job for the team, 718 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: and I know that the organization really appreciates you. And 719 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: I also know that at some point you're going to 720 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: be running an NFL team, So just remember us a 721 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: little people when you get that gig Q. All that 722 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: I know is I turn on the TV, I see 723 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: and hear you. I don't turn on the TV and 724 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: see and hear me. That's all I know. You will 725 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: you will Sunday. Thanks man for doing this. Appreciate you. Thanks, Dave. 726 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: I appreciate you so as you guys can hear from 727 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: that interview. Q first of all, is just a great guy, 728 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 1: great personality, great person and obviously knows his job very well, 729 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 1: versed in not only the Cardinals, but I just love 730 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 1: the fact that he is so up on what's going 731 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: on with every other team that he basically has to 732 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 1: know the roster for every team in the NFL in 733 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: case a player gets cut or there's a player that, 734 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: as he mentioned, Jeff Gladney was one of them, a 735 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: player that they liked in the draft a couple of 736 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 1: years ago that they've kept tabs on him and things 737 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: didn't work out in Minnesota for Gladney. The Cardinals took 738 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: a chance on him and they're hopeful he can be 739 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: a big part of their defense in twenty twenty two. 740 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 1: I love what Quinton said about Hollywood Brown, not just 741 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: the deep ball, but the bubble screens, how he can 742 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: play a role similar to Rondel Moore in this offense, 743 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: and how it enhances the Cardinals offense because as we 744 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: saw last year, as good as the Cardinals offense was 745 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: towards the end of the season, the offense wasn't as good, 746 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: and so at the beginning of the year when they 747 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: were seven and oz and ten and two, they were 748 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: out scoring teams. But towards the end of the year 749 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: they're actually winning with defense, and his Q said he 750 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: likes the defense. He's really excited about the defense and 751 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: what Vans Joseph is going to do with this group. 752 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: We are presented by bet MGM, the official sports betting 753 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Hila River Hotels 754 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: and Casinos. You can follow us on Twitter at Pash pod. 755 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Quentin Harris, Vice President player Personnel 756 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: on this edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.