1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: I never told your production of I Heart Radio, and 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: today we are doing a bit of a lighter Monday many. 4 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, this was originally meant to 5 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: be one of my happy hours, but then the Last 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: of Us kind of like took over all of my 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: as it should. As it should, but I did think 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: it might be cool to talk about this one as 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: it comes out. It is the day before Valentine's Day. Um. 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: That being said, this one we are going to be 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: talking about, not in depth, but some some sexual things, 12 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: sex and stuff and stuff, and also we this is 13 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: my personal take. I just want to be super clear 14 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: on this. We're talking today abou slash and fan fiction, 15 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: which I'll explain more in a second, but this is 16 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: my personal take. I know it's not the same for everybody. 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: I have gotten an arguments with some friends about how 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: it felt the same for everybody, So I understand that 19 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: this is just definitely me trying to kind of work 20 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: some stuff out. And I'll talk about that more in 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: a second. Um as well, so you can see our 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: episodes on fan fiction, specifically on dub Con the book club. 23 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: We did on the book. Dub con would be good 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: for this one. We've talked about this a lot in episodes. 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: I can't remember, but it comes up a lot because 26 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: I read a lot of fan fiction. UM So I'm 27 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: sure there's other things. But okay, that being said, let's 28 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: talk about slash um So slash it is basically it 29 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: denotes a romantic, usually sexual relationship between two characters and 30 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: usually two men, but not always uh, but usually two men. 31 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: I've heard I've been reading all fan fictionsince seventh grade, 32 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: and I am far away from seventh grade right now. 33 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: I've heard that the term is kind of evolved. I 34 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: would like to look into that, but it is something 35 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: that just shows like this is more of a romantic 36 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: sexual relationship as opposed to if you did like this 37 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: character plus this character, that is platonic slash romantic usually 38 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: sexual um and it has given a lot of people. 39 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: It has made them scratch their heads a lot of 40 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: the time because the question is why are so many women, 41 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: a lot of them queer women, who are writing fan fiction. 42 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 1: Why are they writing so many stories about two men together? Um? 43 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of theories why that is. 44 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: There's also a lot of very in my opinion, hilarious 45 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: articles about women. What's wrong with You? Fan fiction is 46 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: so scary. It just like really is something people, especially 47 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: people who don't write fan fiction, struggle to understand. And 48 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: I've talked about it before. That's actually not really my 49 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: point today, though, I wanted to talk about something that 50 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: came up when I was talking with my other friends 51 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: about what we read when it comes to fan fiction, 52 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: and I realized I can't read hetero fan fiction, or 53 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: at least it can't be. I can't read like if 54 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: that's the main thing in terms of a sexual relationship, 55 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: and it just made me wonder, like, why is that? 56 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's just definitely. I was thinking about it, like, 57 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: I can read a story where there's a hetero couple 58 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: and they're super happy and super healthy, and I love 59 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: that actually, but I can't read the like deeper romantic 60 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: part or the sexual part at all, and that's not 61 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: something I normally read anyway, but I will read it 62 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: more if it's between two men. So I was just 63 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: kind of like, what could this be? And one of 64 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: the biggest reasonings people have behind it, which we have 65 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: talked about before, is a power dynamic there's an inherent 66 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: gender power dynamic between men and women. So I was like, 67 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: maybe that's it, Like maybe I'm always kind of constantly 68 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: questioning is this consensual? In a way I don't, which 69 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: I still should, but in a way I don't in 70 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: relationships of the same sex because I also will read 71 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: two women together. I can do that. But then I remembered, 72 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: as we discussed in our conversation about deb con and 73 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: I want to come back to this so badly. Is 74 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: I all? I do read, not very often, but I 75 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: do read fan fiction from the A B O universe, 76 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: which is you might recall that stands for alpha beta omega, 77 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: and that's when there's kind of a biological you have 78 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: a secondary gender. It's biological. One of them, in my opinion, 79 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: is very clearly still feminine. One of them is still 80 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: very masculine um and there's like biological and usually societal 81 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: reasons why one is lesser. The omega specifically is lesser, 82 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: and the omega is the feminine. One can get pregnant, 83 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: usually whether it's a male character or not. So I 84 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: read that. So it can't be just the power dynamic, right, 85 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: because that's still like there's a a male character and 86 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: a female character. Uh, and there's usually there's still there's 87 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: a differential in power no matter what. Still, yeah, and 88 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: I've just said that before, where I feel like in 89 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: a lot of Sash couples between men specifically, there is 90 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: still a character that I would say coded very feminine, 91 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: especially in what I read at least, which again, perhaps 92 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: I'm like in my own niche as I've said, and 93 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: maybe there's a lot more than I don't realize. Probably 94 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: there is. There is still kind of the this idea, 95 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: which is a toxic idea, but I get why people 96 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: read it, but that toxic idea of like, oh I'm desired' 97 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: I'm sexually desired. There's something like hard to resist about me, 98 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: which we've talked about other episodes as well, like when 99 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: we talked about like the Women Love Monsters episode and 100 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: things like that. I'll also say I've seen kind of 101 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: a rise of characters UM where the feminine character is 102 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: trans written by a trans person usually, which I find 103 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: really interesting. UM. And a lot of the characters I 104 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: read that I connect with art trans. So that's something 105 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: else that I'm kind of like stewing on. UM. I 106 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm trying to figure that out. That that 107 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: is interesting and one of the I mean, it's no 108 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: surprising anybody, but I'm usually talking about Luke Skywalker here, 109 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: but he's often written as trans and he is kind 110 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: of very pretty and feminine in terms of a lot 111 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: of the and I've said that before, like he's he's 112 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: written in a way that he's very kind of equally balanced, 113 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: I would say, at least in the original trilogy, between 114 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: masculine and feminine coded things. So that's been really interesting 115 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: to me to see that, because that definitely wasn't happening 116 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: when I was first starting reading fan fiction, and I'm 117 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: happy it is now um as long as it's done 118 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: well and not harmfully. One of the other things that 119 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: people throw out and why maybe people don't like while 120 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: they're writing two men together is because of pregnancy. Because 121 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 1: if you take out the looming and heavy quotes looming 122 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: threat of pregnancy, then that's one less thing you have 123 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: to worry about in these relationships. But again, there's something 124 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: called imprig It's not super popular, but men can get 125 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: pregnant and a lot of fish. Is it like real say, 126 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: or is it like alien movie pregnancy? It's real pregnancy. 127 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: It's real pregnancy. However, this again is very personal to me, 128 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: but I do think that they're onto something in terms of, 129 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: like I have hang ups around my own body, like 130 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: my own woman body, and so I think that it's 131 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: easier for me to not read about because it'll just 132 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: like trigger some thing inside my body. I mean, maybe 133 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: it's also we're always on the defensive and when we 134 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: see women being written in general, that we kind of 135 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: cringe and are always on edge. Yeah, yeah, that's true. 136 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: And I do think like this is a larger conversation 137 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: for this episode, but I do think there is something 138 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: to be said. And again I'm not putting this on 139 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: anyone else, but for me, like I've really internalized like 140 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: even if something is being written in a way that 141 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: is very respectful, I've just internalized that the a lot 142 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: of the like shaming when it comes to women in 143 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: their bodies and sex and being sexual, and a lot 144 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: of the like, yeah it will this turned into something 145 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: non consensual very quickly, like how consensual is it? And yeah, 146 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: that it's it's it's a shame really, but that we've 147 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: sexualized women's bodies so much that it's hard for me 148 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: not to read it as degrading, even if it's not 149 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: degrading right, which to reiterate, is my own stuff. I 150 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: know it um but I think that is part of it. 151 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: I think that is something that I would like to undo. 152 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: But it's just it's hard to describe the feeling when 153 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: I come across like a heterosexual sex scene and fan 154 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: fiction where I'll like, slam my, I'll go on, it's 155 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: very strong, and I get I think it is mostly 156 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: it's a lot of societal stuff, and I think a 157 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: lot of it is me. And we've talked about, you know, 158 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: our own traumason here. I'm sure that has a lot 159 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: to do with it for me as well. I do 160 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: think there are just more male characters. There's more men 161 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: and a lot of stuff. There's more fleshed out male 162 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: characters and a lot of stuff. I don't think that's 163 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: the whole equation at all, but I do think that's 164 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: a part of it. I haven't really found a way 165 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: to articulate it yet, but it is internalized misogyny as well. 166 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: But I do think like for me, I've said, I 167 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: can connect to a fictional character and for me, I 168 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: could process trauma through that because I think that they 169 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: are well, I would never judge them for going through 170 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: this or whatever it is. And I think that a 171 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: lot of the characters that it's easiest for me to 172 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: connect to or the like every person characters, but they're 173 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: almost always every man characters because they're kind of the 174 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: main so it's easier for me to like connect to them, 175 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: and it feels like, oh, if they're in heavy quotes weak, 176 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: it's okay for me to be which again is like, 177 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: but that is kind of I think that kind of 178 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: internalized misogyny of oh, if a man can emote like 179 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: this and do this and go through this, and then 180 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: it's okay for me a woman, which is yes, I 181 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: know it's bad, but I do think it's a part 182 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: of what whatever is going on here for me, right, 183 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that's stuff only we we have are so 184 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: caught up in the extremes of everything, like the toxic 185 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: masculinity versus uh, feminine energies. And it's kind of odd 186 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: because I think the other word to being weak is 187 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: just non threatening and that's that's not a bad thing, 188 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: that's not an either or, And I think it's kind 189 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: of like, huh, the term is weak because that's what 190 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: they want to classify that as if it has an 191 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: energy where it's like, oh, you're not trying to intimidate me, 192 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: you're not trying to invalidate me, and you're not trying 193 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: to take something from me, whether it's personal or space 194 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: or whatever. But like that being it's like, no, it's 195 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: just meaning that they're non threatening and that's actually great. 196 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: So being feeling safe with someone, which can be like 197 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: and then you go into like what people think is 198 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: safety and like can they beat up someone for you? 199 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: That's not safety, that's not safety. So there's a conversation 200 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: and all of that and like how we see and 201 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: how a term what is acceptable what isn't acceptable when 202 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: it comes to sex anyway again kind of like how 203 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: you talked about it. Sex has been dirty for women 204 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: for so long, and then sex has always been a 205 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: power move for so long, and then even today when 206 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: we talk about families and um, reproduction is the power 207 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: play more than anything else. And that's that's what you 208 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: It's hard to not to separate, especially when you don't 209 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: have the rise to your own body period right right. 210 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: And I think that is something else too that i've 211 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: because I don't, you know, we talked about it all 212 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: the time of the show. I don't think that if 213 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: you have consensual sex, I don't think that's bad. But 214 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: because we have, especially growing up when like we can 215 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: grow up in a kind of a religious conservative environments, 216 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: can be hard to let go that it feels like 217 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: and even in our terminology when we talk about sex 218 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to women, it feels like you've like 219 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: given ground to something, you've given something up um, and 220 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: now you are in the quote weaker position, which I 221 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: don't believe it, but sometimes you have to face like 222 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: the whatever it is is still inside to you that's 223 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: reacting this way, and I do I get, like going 224 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: back to the A b OH thing. Clearly that's not all. 225 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: I think there's a bunch of pieces to this puzzle 226 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, I don't think there's like 227 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: one answer. And I even had an interesting conversation with 228 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: a friend of mine recently about like, you know, I 229 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: read this toxic stuff and I don't know why, like 230 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: I don't like it, I don't like want that to 231 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: be true, but I read it um And I think 232 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: that's also some of the messaging we've just received about 233 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: what is sexy and what is romantic. Also, you just 234 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: might not like hewn't know sex like just like people. Yeah, 235 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: sexuality is a thing, prepperence and sexuality. You just may 236 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: not like head road sex. And they're like, nah, I'm good, 237 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: moving on. It's true, no, And I did think about that. 238 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: But I just find it kind of interesting that I 239 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: don't I can read two men together like two women. 240 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: I get more than two men. But I think there's 241 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: a lot going on. But also yeah, just the I 242 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: wish I could read at a road sex and like 243 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: maybe I can, maybe I can not missing out. Oh 244 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: this was supposed to be like, let's get into Valentine. 245 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: Good luck y'all. No, no, no, no, no no no, just 246 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: refin fiction and drink some wine. Yeah, that the best 247 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: Valentine's stay for you. Already my plan, But I also 248 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: wanted to add in here, and I really I think 249 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: also when I compared what my friends are reading what 250 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: I read, um, not all the time, but a lot 251 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: of time, they've had more sexual experience in me, And 252 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: so I feel like there's almost like a logic like 253 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: that's not how sex works between two like almost like 254 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: questioning how it's written, um, which I don't do. I'm 255 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: just like I really don't want it to be. I 256 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: don't want to get into the nitty gritty of this 257 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: when I'm reading my fan fiction. I would say that's 258 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: probably more accurate than when men write about sex. Yeah, honestly, 259 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: And you know, like I could. I I am very 260 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: good at stepping back from like, I know this isn't realistic, 261 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: but I kind of don't want to read at its juncture. Um, 262 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: it's fan fiction and that's not my thing, super like 263 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: it normally all even because I've said it before, but 264 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: in fan fiction, a lot of times you can They'll 265 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: tell you at the top, like if you don't want 266 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: to read the sexual scene, the sex scene, you can 267 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: just here's the line, skipped the next line lovely, and 268 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: then it's over. And I do that sometimes, but not 269 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: all the time. Sometimes I'm curious. I don't know. I 270 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: hope I haven't offended anymore. I'm just trying. This is 271 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: me trying to figure out why why I why I 272 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: read what I read and what I don't read, why 273 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: I don't read what I don't read, um and more. 274 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: Kind of that visceral reaction and visceral reaction. Yeah, it's 275 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: kind of anyway if anyone has any thoughts about this, 276 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: because I know people have thoughts about Yes, you do. 277 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: You can email us at Stuffie your Mom, stuff at 278 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: iHeart media dot com. You can buy us on Twitter 279 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: at Mom's podcast, or on Instagram and TikTok at stuff 280 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: I've Never Told You Thinks. 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