WEBVTT - Ready or Not (2019)

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<v Speaker 1>On the Bechdelcast.

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<v Speaker 2>The questions asked if movies have women and them, are

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<v Speaker 2>all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do they

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<v Speaker 2>have individualism? The patriarchy Zephyn bast start changing with the

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<v Speaker 2>Bechdel Cast.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello Bechdel Cast.

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<v Speaker 1>A listener, whoa we wi we woo, we are here.

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<v Speaker 3>This is uh Jamie and Caitlin, sorry and panicked.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay, It's okay, and we are here unlocking an

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<v Speaker 1>episode of our Patreon aka Matreon, and we should say

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<v Speaker 1>Matreon formerly known as Patreon, quite frankly for your listening

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure this week to observe the release of Ready or

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<v Speaker 1>Not too, a movie that neither of us have seen

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<v Speaker 1>and neither of us can vouch for or argue against. True,

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<v Speaker 1>but we know that tomorrow Weaving is in it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I do like the internal logic of you thought she

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<v Speaker 1>was ready or not? What if two? I like there

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<v Speaker 1>like one woman? What about two? And honestly it's very

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<v Speaker 1>base logic, But I'm listening what if two women? Many

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<v Speaker 1>movies are not asking this question.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, ready or not? Two women?

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<v Speaker 1>Ready or not? Here's two women? I think that's maybe

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be the horror element Ready or Not two

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<v Speaker 1>women in the movie. Wow yeah, so yeah, really impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean and honestly, in the in the wave of

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<v Speaker 1>feminist backlash we're in right now, some people do need

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<v Speaker 1>the warning that there's going to be two women. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>hope you're ready for two women and don't blond white women.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, yes, but but yeah, we're unlocking our episode

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<v Speaker 1>on Ready or Not one to observe Ready or Not

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<v Speaker 1>two a movie. By the way, I will be seeing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually pretty excited. Same. I hope it's good. I

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<v Speaker 1>love samaraw Weaving. I feel like she's very underrated.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah she's she's good. I hope the movie's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Or if I'm correct, Samara Waving she's Australian, right.

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<v Speaker 3>She is Australian. Yes, famously.

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<v Speaker 1>That was definitely respectful what I just did, Samara Waving,

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<v Speaker 1>she would love that I did that. Tony, all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of women are from there. Jacob BELORDI shakeup BELORDI, he's

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<v Speaker 1>for the girls. I think I don't know who. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I just said that I have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>he's worked with a woman that we know he's met

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<v Speaker 1>a woman.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure has he's met at least one woman and that

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<v Speaker 3>makes him a feminist.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, really, cast, by the way, it so is, Hope

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<v Speaker 1>this is your first episode. I think we say this

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of every episode at this point, Hope

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't your first episode, but statistically it may very well. Maybe. Yeah, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the Bechdel Test. Nope, cast, Nope, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the Bechtel Cast. If this is your first episode, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>Tomorrow Weaving, And this is our podcast where we take

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<v Speaker 1>a look at your favorite movies using an intersectional feminist lens,

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<v Speaker 1>using the Bechdel Test as a jumping off point for discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>And we do not define the parameters of the Bechdel

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<v Speaker 1>Test in our Matreon episodes. So, Caitlin, what the hell

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<v Speaker 1>is it?

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<v Speaker 3>It is a media metric created by friend of the

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<v Speaker 3>pod Alison Bechdel, first appearing in her comic collection Dicks

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<v Speaker 3>to Watch out For in the eighties, and its origins,

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<v Speaker 3>we're more focused on, Hey, are there any queer women

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<v Speaker 3>in this movie that I'm watching?

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<v Speaker 1>And if there are queer women, are they actual characters?

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<v Speaker 3>In any case, the test has become more kind of

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<v Speaker 3>mainstreamified into a media metric that has many versions the

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<v Speaker 3>one that we use is do two characters of a

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<v Speaker 3>marginalized gender have names? Do they speak to each other?

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<v Speaker 3>And is that conversation about something other than a man?

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<v Speaker 3>And ideally it's narratively meaningful and not just nothing dialogue.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, which is why we modified our version of the test.

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<v Speaker 1>And again that's not a criticism of our dear friend

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<v Speaker 1>Alison Bechdell. She wrote it as a joke, but for

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<v Speaker 1>our purposes, that's to avoid I think people who are

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<v Speaker 1>defensive of their favorite movies and wanted to pass the

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<v Speaker 1>Backdel test, and they're like, well, there was a waitress

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<v Speaker 1>and Meryl Streep said I'll have the chicken or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>so that I would watch that movie honestly, and then

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<v Speaker 1>if they make out it does pass the Bechdel test, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Really really passes the Bechdel test.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I hope that happens in the devil War's product too.

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<v Speaker 1>What if that.

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<v Speaker 3>Happens devil Ware's Product two? Here, I come, What if

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<v Speaker 3>the subtitle to every sequel was here? I come?

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<v Speaker 1>If I think if the Devilwaar's Product two is bad,

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be some sort of revolt. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>there should there should be. There's so many reasons for

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<v Speaker 1>there to be a revolt. But I do think that

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<v Speaker 1>if the Devil is product too is bad, people are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be marching outside Stanley Tucci's house. Like I just,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not that he should be held accountable for it,

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<v Speaker 1>but he will be, and you know, I just I

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<v Speaker 1>really hope it's good. Anyways. Yeah, so we are today

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<v Speaker 1>unlocking an episode from our Matreon from only two years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't do this very frequently because the Matreon is

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<v Speaker 1>either choosing or very often having our subscribers choose a

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<v Speaker 1>specific theme, and by a specific you have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>how specific it can get. This was a theme from

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four called Wedding Webruary, in which our Matreon

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<v Speaker 1>subscribers voted they wanted to hear us talk about ready

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<v Speaker 1>or not and of course Madam Web which we.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, sorry, wait Madam Web was just

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<v Speaker 3>coming out around the same time, so we did talk

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<v Speaker 3>of it, we did cover it later on, but Wedding

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<v Speaker 3>Webruary was Ready or Not and I think twenty seven dresses.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, what theme did Madam Web fall under?

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<v Speaker 3>That was action movies directed by women, which does not

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<v Speaker 3>have a Webruary.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, egg on my fucking face, we're thinking we but

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<v Speaker 1>that's how nonsensical the themes are. Madam Web was not

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<v Speaker 1>featured in Wedding Webruary. It's explain it. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>an episode from there. If you enjoy it, if you

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<v Speaker 1>the Madam Web episode. We've got to pay our bills.

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<v Speaker 3>So true. Yes, So it's the best way to support

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<v Speaker 3>But in the meantime, you can enjoy this unlocked episode

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<v Speaker 3>on Ready or Not one oh, there's only one woman.

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<v Speaker 1>In this one. Yeah, and the world wasn't ready.

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<v Speaker 3>The world was not ready. It was only it was

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen, so we only could have one woman at

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<v Speaker 3>that time. But yes, in the meantime, enjoy this unlocked

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<v Speaker 3>episode the Bechdel Cast.

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<v Speaker 1>Duddu do dude record scratch, Wait a second, something's not

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<v Speaker 1>quite right at this wedding. It's Satan's Satan's at the wedding.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Satan should attend more weddings.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I prefer Satan showing up to a wedding than

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<v Speaker 1>you know, God, if you believe in that, if you

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<v Speaker 1>believe in either of those things. Given the binary like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go to Satan's wedding.

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<v Speaker 3>You've heard of holy matrimony, Well what about unholy matrimony?

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<v Speaker 3>And that's when the devil is there.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when the devil is there in his little chair.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. I love at the end of this

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<v Speaker 1>movie when the devil shows up in his little chair,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like hey, he is like, good job, giry, this

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<v Speaker 1>is such a like this I am okay, we're covering,

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<v Speaker 1>ready or not? It's wedding Webruary. Yes, yeah, you know this.

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<v Speaker 1>I am adding this to the pantheon of a genre

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<v Speaker 1>I like to call good for her cinema. Yes, we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen We've seen good for her cinema many times over

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<v Speaker 1>the years. I'm generally a fan of it. Sometimes it

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<v Speaker 1>is like, what does this man think women are like?

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't necessarily one of those movies. But sometimes you're

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<v Speaker 1>just like, interesting, you know, gymnastics routine going on in

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<v Speaker 1>this in this writer's mind, not this one that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Good for her cinema, I mean. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's also like, see there's well, what would you.

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<v Speaker 3>Put on the letterbox list of oh boy, good for

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<v Speaker 3>her cinema?

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<v Speaker 1>I need your help because I think that the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that for sure it is in good for her cinema

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<v Speaker 1>if at the end of the movie it's most often

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<v Speaker 1>written by men, I would say. And at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the movie, the conventionally beautiful protagonist smokes a cigarette

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<v Speaker 1>that has survived the ordeal along with her to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of be like, Wow, what a day. I'm talking the

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<v Speaker 1>end of Heathers I believe has a good for her cigarette.

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<v Speaker 1>This movie has a good for her cigarette. The menu

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<v Speaker 1>from last year, as I recall a good for her

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<v Speaker 1>cigarette and cheeseburger, which is another not like other girls

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<v Speaker 1>skinny girl eating cheeseburger. Come on, like, this is just

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of other times that a woman

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<v Speaker 1>smoked a cigarette at the end of the movie because

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<v Speaker 1>she's one poor things. I don't think Emma Stone smokes

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<v Speaker 1>a cigarette at the end of that movie, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>spiritually that's what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I mean the cigarette might just be an extra

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<v Speaker 3>little flourish because I would put Knives Out on that list.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the coffee is the cigarette. The coffee is the cigarette. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking that as well. This movie, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>has it and it came out the same year as

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<v Speaker 1>Knives Out, which is right interesting anyways, Yes, I would

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<v Speaker 1>add this to the pantheon of good for her cinema.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I like it, Sometimes I don't sure, because sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you're just like but ready or not. Whether you like

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<v Speaker 1>it or not is certainly, you know, good for her

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<v Speaker 1>cinema big time. And it's also a very recent strain

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<v Speaker 1>of I think a recent early and dare I say

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<v Speaker 1>good strain of rich people bad cinema, which we've been

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<v Speaker 1>seeing a whole lot of in the last half decade. Yes, again,

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<v Speaker 1>some of it is good. Some of it is clearly

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<v Speaker 1>written by rich people, and you're like, what is the

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<v Speaker 1>point of this? What is this? But again, I think

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<v Speaker 1>this movie kind of stands out. I don't know, Caitlyn, Yeah, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>sorry for just bat. I just have been thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>the good for her genre. No, no, I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>there is a letterbox list with that already.

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<v Speaker 3>If not, let's throw it on ours. And then also

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<v Speaker 3>you can follow us on letterboxed at Bechdel Cast Matrons.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what else falls into good? You're right, the

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<v Speaker 1>cigarette isn't a must, but there has to be like

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of item, a little prop yes, fried green tomatoes.

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<v Speaker 1>The end is a good for her. It's hannibalism good

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<v Speaker 1>for her. Oh yeah, they cook and serve the bad guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Good for her. Jennifer's body. I think what would fall into.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm also forgetting how a lot of these movies end.

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<v Speaker 1>The Vivich good for her.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, she's floating up in this good for her.

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<v Speaker 1>Hover. This is a genre. It is a genre in

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<v Speaker 1>like every genre, there's goods stay as bads.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, let's talk about ready or.

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<v Speaker 1>Not shell Yes, please, after you, after you, after you.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw this movie in theaters.

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<v Speaker 1>Brave.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so brave of me to do. I enjoyed it

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<v Speaker 3>quite a bit. I love a movie that takes place

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<v Speaker 3>in a big creepy house. That's where a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>Who Done It take place, That's where a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>spooky movies take place. I just love the production design

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<v Speaker 3>of like a big creepy house and all of the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like board game boxes that you see and

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like that. So I really liked the production design.

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<v Speaker 3>I like the story, and I like any movie where

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<v Speaker 3>rich people get fucked over. So I was a fan.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see this, and I have it's weird. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw this movie. I remember really clearly watching this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you have an experience like this for

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<v Speaker 1>a different movie. I watched this movie in the first

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks of Lockdown, where it was still like this

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<v Speaker 1>is wild, what's going on? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>so all I had to say, I remember watching it,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember liking it, and then I memory holed the

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<v Speaker 1>entire thing along with you know, I think with many

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<v Speaker 1>like with several months of my life. You know. So

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<v Speaker 1>I watched it, I liked it. I got kind of

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<v Speaker 1>burned out on this genre, and I feel like it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of got a little far away from itself in

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<v Speaker 1>some situation. I felt that way about The Menu if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being on it, where it's like I love an

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<v Speaker 1>ensemble movie where we're taking out the rich people and

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<v Speaker 1>there's distinct characters, they're broad stereotypes and we're just knocking

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<v Speaker 1>them out, like I love. And this year is a

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<v Speaker 1>great year for kill the Rich cinema because we also

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<v Speaker 1>have Knives out comes out this year, This comes out,

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<v Speaker 1>and it kept going for a couple of years after

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<v Speaker 1>that because like last year it was like The Menu

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<v Speaker 1>and Triangle of Sadness. I mean, there's like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of movies of this ilk that have come out in

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<v Speaker 1>the last five years, but this is one of my

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<v Speaker 1>faves I really because I feel like this movie is

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, with anti capitalist movies, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like either you have to really go for saying

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<v Speaker 1>something or it's fun. And because whenever it lands in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle, it feels like, I don't know, a little

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<v Speaker 1>dissonant or like not committing to one or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>This movie is committing to fun and like the characters

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<v Speaker 1>are incredibly broad. The way that they got their money

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<v Speaker 1>is incredibly silly, and I just like, I because I

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<v Speaker 1>really couldn't remember how the movie ended spoiler alert for

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<v Speaker 1>those who haven't watched. But I was like, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like the curse is real. I would be so happy

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<v Speaker 1>if the curse is actually real and the curse is

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<v Speaker 1>actually real and everyone explodes, and it just like it's silly.

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<v Speaker 1>It like it's clear that like it's a killer rich movie,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not getting into theory. It's just like, here

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<v Speaker 1>are these rich people and at the end, they're all

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<v Speaker 1>going to explode into a cloud of blood. And that

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<v Speaker 1>is like such a good movie for me. That movie's

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<v Speaker 1>always gonna hit for me. It's very cathartic, it's so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly, I was like, I don't know, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to rewatch Knives Out because I really really loved that

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<v Speaker 1>movie when it came up. But I'm like, but did

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<v Speaker 1>any did a single person explode into a cloud of blood?

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<v Speaker 3>Not one?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not af I recall, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Not at all a right. Should I get into the recap?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's talk about it all right.

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<v Speaker 3>We open on a flashback. We're in a big mansion

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<v Speaker 3>on a dark and stormy night, and a family is

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<v Speaker 3>playing hide and seek. It seems we see two little

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<v Speaker 3>boys running around. One is named Daniel and then his

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<v Speaker 3>younger brother who I don't think we learn.

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<v Speaker 1>His name, not yet.

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<v Speaker 3>They're running around and Daniel finds the man who's being

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<v Speaker 3>sought in this game of hide and seek, or rather

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<v Speaker 3>the man who's being hunted, because this isn't just any

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<v Speaker 3>game of hide and seek. It's a scary game.

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<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, fun, fun, fun fun. Yeah, it's well it's

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<v Speaker 1>baby Alex that he's shoving into the cupboard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, y yeah, yeah yeah yeah, Well we'll figure that

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<v Speaker 3>out eventually. But Daniel gives up the man's location and

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<v Speaker 3>the family comes in. They like shoot him with a

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<v Speaker 3>crossbow and then drag him away as the man's his wife,

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<v Speaker 3>still wearing her wedding dress, watches in horror.

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<v Speaker 1>They have they must have like friends in the c

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<v Speaker 1>I A or something like how are these I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that, like probably the internal logic of the

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<v Speaker 1>Vivie is like they're rich, rich people can get away

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<v Speaker 1>with anything. They're like, I don't know, folks, ritualistic murder.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we find out that they kind of live

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<v Speaker 1>on a residential street. Uh fun short of I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like the ground driving. Yeah, but the grounds

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<v Speaker 1>of the estate seem really big and she had to

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<v Speaker 1>run very far to get to the street. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I truly think, and hopefully the listeners will not hold

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<v Speaker 1>this against me. My favorite, the biggest like jump scare

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<v Speaker 1>for this movie is when Samorrow Weaving punches a child

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<v Speaker 1>in the face. Oh my god, I like and not

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<v Speaker 1>to but like, I mean, she kind of did what

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<v Speaker 1>she had to do. That kid was about to kill her,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just was like, not expecting a child to

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<v Speaker 1>get punched in the face. Anyways, let's continue.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so we cut to thirty years later. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>wedding day of Grace played by Samara Weaving aka Hugo

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<v Speaker 3>Weaving's niece aka Nepotism and I love Spa.

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<v Speaker 1>Weaving but aka Barga Robbie was not available. Let's be serious.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's her wedding and she's getting married to her fiance.

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<v Speaker 3>My fiance, some guy, a guy named Alex played by

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<v Speaker 3>Mark O'Brien. We meet Alex's brother, Daniel played by Adam

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<v Speaker 3>Brodie and we're like, hey, isn't Daniel the name of

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<v Speaker 3>the kid from the beginning?

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<v Speaker 1>Hold on, ready, or not here he is I this

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<v Speaker 1>is ugh, this is like one of the I think, what, well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he's less villainous in this, but he's in the villain family.

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<v Speaker 1>He really has a robust career of playing tremendous assholes,

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<v Speaker 1>which is wild because I fell in love with him

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<v Speaker 1>on Gilmore Girls, where he was like nice guitar boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not watch the OC, but I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of heart throbby in that show. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>just like once Jennifer's Body hit, He's like, I'm actually

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<v Speaker 1>a little stinker. And we've seen him in roles like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I literally I saw American Fiction last night. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he I mean, he's a bad guy in that movie.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a bad ish guy in this movie. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>terrible guy and promising young woman. He's an even worse

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<v Speaker 1>guy in Jennifer's Body. He's just a bad guy. If

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<v Speaker 1>he's in the movie look Out.

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<v Speaker 3>He and Justin Long have made careers of if a movie,

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<v Speaker 3>and especially a horror movie, needs a sleazy, douchey white

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<v Speaker 3>guy with brown hair, they call Adam Brody or they

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<v Speaker 3>call Justin Long.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope they text about it. I hope They're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>are you free? Do you want this one? Hope? Adam

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<v Speaker 1>Brody was like, it's all good. I don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>do Barbarian but yeah, you take it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh anyway, Also, someday we should watch the movie Tusk

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<v Speaker 3>together because that's my favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I've seen Tusks.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I've seen Tusk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That what an all timer. I mean, what isn't

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<v Speaker 1>happening in Tusk? You know, nothing shortless because everything is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is happening in Tusk.

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<v Speaker 3>In any case. Alex and Daniel, their brothers, they come

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<v Speaker 3>from this uber rich la Domas family who made their

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<v Speaker 3>fortune in games.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gamers. I love I loved the just like freezing

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<v Speaker 1>that are pausing as we call it in the end

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<v Speaker 1>the movie to see what the games they played, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite was the board game family ritual. That was fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I play.

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<v Speaker 1>This movie is silly, It's so silly. I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Okay, so we meet the rest of Alex's family.

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<v Speaker 3>His father played by Henry I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 3>say this name.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure Shurney could be.

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<v Speaker 3>I had watched him the night before in Mission Impossible

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<v Speaker 3>Dead Reckoning Part one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank god, just checking he plays Tony LEEDOMA.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so he's mister Daddy, missus Mommy is Andy McDowell.

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<v Speaker 1>Fun love her.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we meet Alex's sister in law aka Daniels,

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<v Speaker 3>his wife Charity.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's a she's her hair is dark, and so

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<v Speaker 1>you know she is gonna be up to no good

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<v Speaker 1>in the world of this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I kept looking at her and being like, is that

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<v Speaker 3>Olivia Wilde? But it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she is Olivia Wilde coded right.

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<v Speaker 3>The actor's name is Elise Lavek.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe she is like sci fi famous, but I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't super familiar with her.

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<v Speaker 3>Got it. So we meet those members of the family,

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<v Speaker 3>as well as Alex's aunt Helene, who looks very sinister.

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<v Speaker 3>She's also the baldest woman in charge because she's got

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<v Speaker 3>a short hair.

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<v Speaker 1>She is the baldest woman in charge, and the baldest

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<v Speaker 1>woman in charge is the first to explode into a

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<v Speaker 1>cloud of blood. Yes, women can't catch up break and

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<v Speaker 1>she's also we learn the bride at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's I think supposed to be like a twist

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<v Speaker 3>or a big reveal, but I was like, which is

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like, well, yeah, dull.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like, there's only so many characters, right anyways.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so we meet them, and then there's also a

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<v Speaker 3>handful of housekeepers and a butler who we see.

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<v Speaker 1>The butler is I sound like a pilled I like,

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<v Speaker 1>but the butler is butlering. His name is Stevens. He's

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<v Speaker 1>more than one Stephen. He like they're not. I like,

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<v Speaker 1>how like, I don't know. It's so fun to just

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<v Speaker 1>be like and and here's the trope, and here's the trope.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's a butler and his name is Stevens. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no twist involving Stevens. He just is being a butler.

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<v Speaker 3>He has undying loyalty to the rich family that he serves,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a thing that we see in movies all

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<v Speaker 3>the time that I don't fully get. But yeah, he's there,

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<v Speaker 3>and he is several Stevens.

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<v Speaker 1>He's more than he's You're getting more, you're getting double

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<v Speaker 1>trouble with you hire Stevens. Although I think that sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I think the more common butler trope, right, is that

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<v Speaker 1>like he's doing something behind the scenes and it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of this class success where the butler did it. The

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<v Speaker 1>butler killed someone, so not Stevens though Stevens is just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, enthusiastically showing up at work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, Okay. So they have the wedding and then

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<v Speaker 3>that night Grace and Alex are summoned by the family

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<v Speaker 3>to join them for a family tradition where anytime someone

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<v Speaker 3>joins the family by marriage, everyone gets together and they're

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<v Speaker 3>basically like, let's play a game hashtag Jigsaw eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, the whole it's so Jigsaw codd yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this whole situation, like, and with all due respect to

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<v Speaker 1>the movie and the characters, like, we have seven people

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<v Speaker 1>in a room and they've got like fifteen percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the raw charisma that the puppet Jigsaw has. Like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sorry to this family, but they're like, you cannot be

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<v Speaker 1>more menacing than puppet on bike, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish, come on, I wish at the end when

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<v Speaker 3>you get like there's like a burst of flame, you see,

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<v Speaker 3>like a flash of mister LaBelle. That should have been

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<v Speaker 3>Jigsaw sitting in the chair or sitting on his tricycle.

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<v Speaker 1>If they would, I I feel like James Wan would

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<v Speaker 1>have been amenable. He'd be like, yeah, whatever you saw.

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<v Speaker 1>He seems like a really nice guy and he's isn't

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<v Speaker 1>James Wan Australian. I think so and so is Tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>or earing I guess. I'm like, the directors are American.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where I was going with that, but

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<v Speaker 1>but he is in fact Australian and it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, Jigsaw is you know, the the I kept calling

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<v Speaker 1>them like the little peepies because they kept forgetting their

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<v Speaker 1>last names. But like the Peepee family isn't on Jigsaw's level,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have. They've clearly seen Saw.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're like, how can we do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? How could we get her to understand what she's

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<v Speaker 1>probably seen? Saw? One seems aw? Yeah yeah yeah, oh saw. Anyways, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>back to this movie, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So the rest of the family gathers, including some people

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<v Speaker 3>we haven't met yet. That's Alex's sister Emily and her

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<v Speaker 3>husband Fitch. They also have a couple of young kids,

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<v Speaker 3>and everyone sits down to play the game and the

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<v Speaker 3>vibe is ominous, and then Alex's father launches into a

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 3>story about how the let's play a game tradition started

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:30.439
<v Speaker 3>where his great grandfather, Victor Laudomas, met a man named

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<v Speaker 3>mister Label who had this like puzzle box thing.

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 1>He's literally jig. He's like Jigsaw.

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:39.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly.

0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:42.679
<v Speaker 1>I also just like, first of all, don't approach a

0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:46.479
<v Speaker 1>man with a puzzle box because he could be the

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 1>devil Tom Hanks. And the da Vinci code.

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<v Speaker 3>There, that too, that too, okay?

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, the da Vinci code was Apple.

0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 3>The Dvinci code was Apple also, okay, just because I

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<v Speaker 3>already mentioned it. But the night before I rewatched Ready

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 3>or Not to prep for this episode, I rewatched Dead

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 3>Reckoning Mission Impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, And I thought you were saying you rewatched

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:13.359
<v Speaker 1>the DaVinci Code. I was like, are you okay? Should

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>we talk? Are you sick?

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:16.640
<v Speaker 3>What if you found out that? I just watch it

0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:17.360
<v Speaker 3>for fun.

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes, Hey, I can't hang out tonight watching angels and demons.

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:25.920
<v Speaker 3>What are we gonna cover angels and demons?

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Though?

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 3>All right? And so toward the beginning of Mission Impossible,

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:33.640
<v Speaker 3>Dead Reckoning, there's this part where Simon Peg basically he's

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 3>like dismantling a bomb, but on the inside of the bomb,

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:39.159
<v Speaker 3>it's like that cryptext thing where you have to like

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 3>scroll all the things, like good da Vinci code Apple thing?

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:46.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Was it Apple?

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't Apple, but it should have.

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Been yeah, exactly. Never ah man, I just love that

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.879
<v Speaker 1>there was a time that a scary book gripped the nation.

0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 1>But the Da Vinci code was an apple, I you know,

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 1>long lived. The lowest common denominator in rocks is awesome.

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.159
<v Speaker 3>Awesome anyway.

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 1>So they're no Jigsaw, but they're you know, they're doing

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.880
<v Speaker 1>their best. They're trying to evoke Jigsaw. Yeah.

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 3>So there's this puzzle box thing, and if Victor Laudomas

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 3>can solve the box, mister Label will give him money

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 3>to fund any venture. And Victor solves the puzzle box,

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 3>which is how he was able to launch his card

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 3>game business, which turned into a board game business. Now

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:39.720
<v Speaker 3>the family owns sports teams. I guess you can become

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:42.720
<v Speaker 3>billionaires with a gaming company.

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Sure, I don't know. I mean I think I'm thinking

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 1>more of like toy novelty stuff. You definitely can, yeah,

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look at mister Beattie Babies. He owns the

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Four Seasons well, and he almost went to jail. I mean, wow,

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 1>I know someone read specscript about the Beanie Baby's guy

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>in Quarantine and if it was you and it was

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>me and and Caitlin, there is a whole ass movie

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>that they made that. I still haven't watched because I

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 1>resent it because al Gore's daughter wrote and directed it,

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just like, I resent this nepotism at like

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>a cellular level. Sure, why does al Gore's daughter get

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to make the Beanie Baby's movie?

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 3>I know, I'm sorry.

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Mine was called mister Baby and it was good. No

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>one understands me anyway.

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so we get this explanation of why they play

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 3>this game, and so they honor this whatever mister LaBelle

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 3>slash great grandfather agreement by playing a game.

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's Jigsaw, He's Jigsaw.

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 3>As per tradition, whenever a new person joins the f

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 3>a blank card is inserted into the puzzle box and

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 3>then it randomly selects and prints the name of that

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 3>game onto the blank card. So it could be Chest Checkers,

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 3>Old Maid or Hide and Seek, which is the game

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 3>that gets printed on Grace's card. And when they see that,

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 3>everyone has a very like oh shit reaction, and Grace

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.800
<v Speaker 3>is like, tih, what's going on?

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>She is like, Grace is, let me know if this

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 1>resonated for you. She feels like a Joss Whedon character

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>to me, where like it's very Quippy's She's like, guys,

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 1>what the hell, Like, what the hell's going on here? Like,

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it just felt very and I don't

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>even mean I mean, obviously we we've covered the Josh

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Whedon issue. That's not even what I'm suggesting. I just

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 1>it just felt like she's Joss Whedon code it down to,

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>like the the con verses and the like saying fucking

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 1>he fuck, fuck dick ball bluh, blu bluh. But it

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>just felt very Joss Whedon codd.

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I see that, but I think that that's just

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:15.479
<v Speaker 3>like part of a larger like men who want to

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 3>write women in a way where they're like bad asses,

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:23.760
<v Speaker 3>but they don't actually really know how to write women's

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 3>So we just keep getting this version of women over

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 3>and over.

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and there's a few versions. There were a few

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 1>instances where it really stuck out to me where it

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't know, the movie came out in

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, but you're like, this feels dated. Like at

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>one point, the sister just yells cock, where's my gun?

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, who says that? Who says? What are you

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>talking about? Anyways, it's not even a criticism I'm just like,

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 1>women aren't yelling cock Like, they're just not doing that.

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 3>Speak for yourself.

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 1>I just like, I've never heard that as an exclamatory.

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>It was very jarring. Yeah, you'd say like fuck or shit, right,

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>which plenty of characters do. But she she and it

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>sounds like I don't know. I had this whole fantasy

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>where like the actress was like, can I say anything else?

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, no, no, no, this makes sense. Please

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 1>say the word as scripted and cock, where's my gun?

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>All right? Whatever?

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 3>Sure? Okay. So the point is Grace's card gets Hide

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 3>and Seek printed on it, and we're like, wait a minute.

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't Hide and Seek the game that they were playing

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 3>at the beginning where that guy was violently dragged away

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 3>and it was all very scary. So Grace has till

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 3>the count of one hundred slash the length of a

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 3>creepy hide and Seek song to hide somewhere in the

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 3>house and then the family will try to find her,

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 3>and that's all that's explained to her. So she goes

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 3>and she hides in a dumb waiter for a little while.

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 1>She's quipping in there. She's like, what I do my

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>random wedding night. I guess I'm just in a dumb waiter.

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Joss Whedon coded And here's.

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 3>Here's my question, though. Does it pass the Bechdel test

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 3>when she talks to herself on multiple occasions throughout the movie? No, no,

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 3>but she's kind of responding. She's asking herself questions. She

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 3>is and then she's responding.

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we can't say that. You know, Grace is

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 1>not a very active character. That's I certainly wouldn't suggest it.

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:29.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean I think it passes it

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 1>at a few other points anyways, But like, I don't know,

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I just kept thinking. I just kept writing down Joss Whedon.

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Woman quipping to herself alone in a room like it's it.

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 1>It evokes in early twenty tens energy.

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm like, why did she keep talking to herself?

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Maybe people do that, I docare well, when you find

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 3>out that one.

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Of the directors is the co founder of like a

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 1>SKA band, You're like, more of these choices are kind

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 1>of making sense to me in a way that is harmless,

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Like no shade to actually I am a fan of

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 1>a local sco thing.

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:08.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I remember when you were like, I'm gonna buy

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:09.840
<v Speaker 3>a trombone and get into ska.

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you know, I'm like down to skank at

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 1>the SKA show. But when you're like, yes, I believe

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 1>that this movie was co directed by a SKA guy.

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense?

0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 3>No, I see it.

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there, I mean, no one is skanking,

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>but like.

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:37.320
<v Speaker 3>The energy is that yeah a bit anyway? All right, Okay,

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:41.280
<v Speaker 3>so she's hiding. Meanwhile, each member of the family grabs

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 3>an old timey weapon because they play the game exactly

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.319
<v Speaker 3>how it would have been played in great grandfather's time.

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:52.360
<v Speaker 3>The only person who doesn't grab a weapon is Alex

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:55.720
<v Speaker 3>because he's upset and he doesn't want anything to happen

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:57.800
<v Speaker 3>to his wife.

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:01.279
<v Speaker 1>I think it's so interesting or I guess. One of

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:03.879
<v Speaker 1>the less effective things for this movie for me was

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:07.480
<v Speaker 1>like how long the movie is using production elements to

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 1>try to get you to like sort of stay on

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Alex's side, where it's so obvious that he's like, I mean,

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:15.919
<v Speaker 1>he's bad, and I feel like she is like kind

0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 1>of responding to him in that way. But sometimes the

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 1>music will come in where he's like, Babe, you don't

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>understand it had to be like this, And then there's like, dude, ude, dude,

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 1>and you're just like you think I'm gonna fall for this. Yeah,

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, no, I know.

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 3>Okay. So Alex is upset about this whole thing, and

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 3>he sneaks off to find Grace and tell her exactly

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:41.399
<v Speaker 3>what's going on. But before he can get the words out,

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Grace sees firsthand what this is all about because Emily,

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 3>Alex's sister, who is like super coked out on drugs.

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she like drinks a pint of cocaine somehow.

0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Yes, So she acts a dundley shoots one of the

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:06.719
<v Speaker 3>housekeepers thinking she's Grace, and other family members come in

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 3>and they say something about a ritual, but it won't

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 3>count because the person who dies has to be the bride,

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:18.240
<v Speaker 3>and then they take the housekeeper's body away, and Grace

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:21.880
<v Speaker 3>has overheard all of this, so she's like, oh my god,

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:26.479
<v Speaker 3>what the fuck is happening? And Alex explains that hide

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:30.840
<v Speaker 3>and Seek is the one bad card and the family

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 3>has to play the game and they think that if

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 3>they don't kill Grace by sunrise that they will all

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 3>die because of some curse or something.

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:45.680
<v Speaker 1>I've got to say, I like jig saws reasoning for

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.760
<v Speaker 1>doing it better. Jessa is not responding to an ancient curse.

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I heard that you were late feeding your

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 1>dog dinner. Now you're gonna eat five thousand pounds of

0:36:57.200 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 1>dog food in the acts two minutes, I'll drawing quarter

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 1>you and you're just like, there's not I just love

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 1>how petty he is. Anyway. I think I just want

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 1>to watch Saw again. Yeah, I'm like, Jigsaw, this is

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 1>literally none of your business. It's so wild that you're

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 1>inserting yourself.

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 3>He really does not have, I would say, a strong motivation.

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 3>A lot of the time this family is you know,

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 3>you can't empathize with their motivation, but they are motivated.

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Jigsaw's just sort of like I just felt like it.

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Right, which is like, I mean, he is pretty strongly

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 1>motivated by feeling like it. Like you can't you can't

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:42.360
<v Speaker 1>say that he's phoning it in at any point. He's like,

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:45.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, renting warehouses and so forth.

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:46.879
<v Speaker 3>He's putting in the work.

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:52.919
<v Speaker 1>I love him. God, what an angel. I love him.

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 1>He did what he had to do. Okay. Sorry.

0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 3>So Race learns all of this stuff, and she's furious

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 3>that Alex knew this was a possibility and he didn't

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 3>warn her, and he's like, yeah, oops, but let's get

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.879
<v Speaker 3>you out of here. So he tells her to go

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:16.800
<v Speaker 3>to the kitchen while he goes to the security room

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.839
<v Speaker 3>to unlock all the doors so she can escape through

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.759
<v Speaker 3>this like surface kitchen exit. And so she sets off

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:27.800
<v Speaker 3>toward the kitchen. She rips off part of her wedding

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 3>dress and we're like, wow, girl power, and she's like

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:35.880
<v Speaker 3>making her way to where she needs to go. She

0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 3>has some close encounters with the family along the way,

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:44.920
<v Speaker 3>including with Alex's brother Daniel, who doesn't seem interested in

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 3>killing her, and he gives her a chance to get away.

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's Adam Brody ing.

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:51.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like he is.

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Like and Adam Brody as himself where he's just like

0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:59.080
<v Speaker 1>got a glass of scotch and he's like vaguely nihilistic

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 1>and like someone needs to towel him off. Yeah, but

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:06.359
<v Speaker 1>he's hot, But yeah, what is that?

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Why can men be a hot when it seems like

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:13.759
<v Speaker 1>they need to be toweled off? I mean, I don't know.

0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure it's just me. Maybe it's just me.

0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 3>I do I like Adam Brody, I hope he's not

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 3>a bad person, irl, because I enjoy him on screen. Meanwhile,

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:32.320
<v Speaker 3>Emily accidentally kills another housekeeper and the family is freaking

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:36.279
<v Speaker 3>out because they haven't found Grace yet, and they're like,

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 3>how is she outsmarting us in our own house. Meanwhile,

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Grace manages to get her hands on a gun and AMMO,

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:48.400
<v Speaker 3>and then she finally reaches the kitchen, but Steven's the butler,

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 3>is there, so she has a scuffle with him. The

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 3>AMMO turns out to be display only, so she can't

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 3>shoot him, but she smashes a bottle of boiling water

0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 3>into his face and then run away. In the security room,

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:06.319
<v Speaker 3>Alex manages to get the doors unlocked, but then his

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 3>father comes in and knocks Alex out and then handcuffs

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 3>him to a bedpost. This is also where we get

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:16.759
<v Speaker 3>the reveal that Aunt Helene is the young woman from

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 3>the beginning whose husband got killed in that game of

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 3>hide and seek, and we're like.

0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was born Yester put that together? Oh, is

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 1>the is the boy in the cabinet the husband?

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 3>But her husband being killed as a part of the

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:38.240
<v Speaker 3>family tradition seems to have radicalized her in the direction

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 3>of yes. This family tradition is very important and it's

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:49.839
<v Speaker 3>actually good actually, so she's like really into it. Yeah,

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 3>sure it makes sense anyway, So Grace finds her way outside,

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:56.719
<v Speaker 3>but someone is out there with a flashlight looking for her.

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 3>So she hides in this stable where all of the

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:03.720
<v Speaker 3>goats live, and I'm like, okay, black Philip.

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 1>Yes are you there? Good for her cinema Also a

0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:08.360
<v Speaker 1>through line of goats, Satanic goats.

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Satan is in the Vivich Satan is in

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Retty or not? There's goats.

0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Why is no one talking about this? I know? Oh

0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 1>oh sorry? End of Midsummer another good for her shot. Yeah,

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 1>the smile. Yes, they'll keep coming, they'll keep coming.

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Her cigarette is her big flower crown slash.

0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 1>She's surrounded by the cigarette.

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:35.320
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so she's with the goats and then the person

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:36.880
<v Speaker 3>finds her and it turns out to be one of

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 3>the little kids. His name's Georgie, and he shoots Grace

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 3>in the hand with the gun that he found that

0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:51.279
<v Speaker 3>his coked out mother dropped. So he's a bad boy, yes,

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 3>And Grace falls into this pit of dead bodies from

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 3>previous sacrifice, so she manages to crawl her way out

0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 3>of the pit and she's running and she reaches this

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:11.760
<v Speaker 3>iron fence that she squeezes through, but Steven's, the butler,

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 3>catches up with her in a car. They scuffle again,

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:21.560
<v Speaker 3>but Grace manages to get in the car and she

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 3>drives off, and the car has one of those buttons

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.520
<v Speaker 3>where you can like push shit and it dials nine

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 3>to one one. So she hits the button and talks

0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 3>to the operator and he's like, oh, actually this car

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:34.200
<v Speaker 3>was reported stolen, so I have to shut it down.

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 3>So the car stops. She gets stuck again. She can't

0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 3>go anywhere, and then the butler appears and shoots her

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:45.920
<v Speaker 3>with a tranquilizer gun. She wakes up while he's driving

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 3>back to the house and she kicks Steven's in the

0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:54.240
<v Speaker 3>head and he wrecks the car. She tries to escape again,

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:57.320
<v Speaker 3>but then Daniel is right there. He knocks her out,

0:42:57.800 --> 0:43:00.239
<v Speaker 3>and then Grace is brought to the house and the

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:04.840
<v Speaker 3>family prepares her for a ritual where they will offer

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:08.799
<v Speaker 3>Grace up as a human sacrifice, and they're drinking from

0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:13.399
<v Speaker 3>a goblet, which turns out Daniel has poisoned because he

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:15.399
<v Speaker 3>has a change of heart and he wants to try

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 3>to help Grace.

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Yay Adam Brodie fun. I mean I wish he had,

0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:25.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, wish he had turned a little sooner, but yeah.

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 3>That would have been helpful. But yeah, the family is

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:31.240
<v Speaker 3>like puking up blood and it gives her a chance

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:36.840
<v Speaker 3>to run away. But then Daniel's wife, Charity is like

0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:41.920
<v Speaker 3>stop right there, and she shoots and kills her husband.

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Right, which is I mean, he was bad to her,

0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:49.440
<v Speaker 1>but for sure, you know, like he you know, I was.

0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I was mixed on that where I was like, well,

0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess we as the audience are like Daniel's the

0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:58.160
<v Speaker 1>best person in the family that we know, but also

0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:01.879
<v Speaker 1>it sounded like he was very absent and very dismissive

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.920
<v Speaker 1>and like didn't like her very much. True, and like

0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I've also it's like what did they did? They just

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.319
<v Speaker 1>like played Jenga on their wedding night, Like she just

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 1>drew a good card and they're like we're playing GoFish. Ye.

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, seems to be the case because there's a scene

0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:20.839
<v Speaker 3>early on when the other like people who've married into

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:23.040
<v Speaker 3>the family were like I played old Maid.

0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I liked. I liked who's like the fitch Fitch?

0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean he is very much the comic relief character.

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:35.319
<v Speaker 1>But I've liked a lot of those jokes when he

0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>was replying, I remember this from the trailer, when he's

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.319
<v Speaker 1>like that family shit, when people are like, what are

0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:40.680
<v Speaker 1>you up to?

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:45.040
<v Speaker 3>Ch It's good he's youtubeing how to use a crossbow,

0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:46.840
<v Speaker 3>et cetera, pro Fitch.

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:48.799
<v Speaker 1>I liked the Fitch jokes for the most part.

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so Daniel has helped Grace escape and but like

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 3>everyone's coming after them. Meanwhile, Alex has used the chain

0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 3>of his handcuffs to all through the bedpost. I don't

0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.800
<v Speaker 3>understand the physics of that, but it works.

0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I was just like the power of Satan compelled him. Whatever.

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 3>Sure, the point is he's free. Now we cut back

0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:19.040
<v Speaker 3>to Grace. The rest of the family's trying to stop her.

0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:21.919
<v Speaker 3>She's fighting them off, and then she kills Alex's mom,

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:26.759
<v Speaker 3>and right then Alex comes in and he doesn't like

0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:31.960
<v Speaker 3>that his wife killed his mom. So he has a

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:36.200
<v Speaker 3>change of heart in the other direction, his mommy. He

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.040
<v Speaker 3>has a change of heart in the other direction, and

0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Alex wants Grace to be sacrificed, and so the family

0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:44.719
<v Speaker 3>grabs hold of her again. They pin her down. They're

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:47.960
<v Speaker 3>about to do the ritual. They're all like Heil Satan

0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:54.760
<v Speaker 3>because turns out mister Labail is the devil. But Grace

0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 3>gets free just as the sun rises, and so they're like,

0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:01.279
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, we're gonna die. But it seems like

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 3>nothing is going to happen at first, and then they

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 3>all explode into blood because you know, they didn't fulfill

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:10.920
<v Speaker 3>their end of the bargain and kill her before sunrise.

0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:15.640
<v Speaker 1>That is so satisfying. It was truly excellent to just

0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 1>watch Aunt Helen be like, ah, right, I'll do it

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.880
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's it's great, and I like that. I

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:26.080
<v Speaker 1>mean just the little I mean they're not little, they're

0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 1>really broad jokes. But where they the filmmakers decided we're

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:33.480
<v Speaker 1>not gonna make you watch three kids explode. But then

0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:35.239
<v Speaker 1>they leave the room and then you just hear like

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:40.319
<v Speaker 1>you're like, whoop. It is very funny. This movie is

0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 1>silly billy.

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:46.920
<v Speaker 3>It is yeah, it's true. Okay, so all the family explodes,

0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:51.319
<v Speaker 3>Grace steps out into the daylight. She's finally safe. The

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:56.160
<v Speaker 3>house is burning down behind her as emergency responders show up,

0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 3>and then the movie ends with one of them being like,

0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 3>what happened to you, and she's like in laws the.

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 1>End, and then we're like, okay, good for herson.

0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:22.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay, where shall we start?

0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh, let's start with I mean, well, I guess just

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 1>a quick rundown of who made this movie? I guess. Yeah,

0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:33.200
<v Speaker 1>I already kind of blew the sco thing. Sorry. This

0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:36.359
<v Speaker 1>movie is written and directed by men, which, while I

0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:39.640
<v Speaker 1>really like this movie, feels was deeply unsurprising.

0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:40.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:45.080
<v Speaker 1>So we have a directing pair Matt Bett Nelly Open,

0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 1>that's mister Scotty, and then Tyler Gillett. As far as

0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:53.319
<v Speaker 1>I can tell, he was able to avoid SKA I see.

0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:57.000
<v Speaker 1>But they are most I think they first popped off

0:47:57.320 --> 0:48:03.440
<v Speaker 1>for the movie VHS, which I saw in college. Well

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:07.719
<v Speaker 1>or they like directed a segment of the movie VHS. Yeah,

0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and they are now most famous for the new Scream movies.

0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Got it?

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:20.760
<v Speaker 1>They directed, Yeah, Scream five and Scream six and didn't

0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 1>support Melissa Barrera. And that's interesting, isn't it? But those

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 1>are those are the directors. So we have a pair

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:33.920
<v Speaker 1>of like horror guys essentially, and I think that honestly,

0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be I'm guessing that they got Scream off

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 1>of this movie, which makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, yeah,

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.160
<v Speaker 1>And it was written by a writer named ur Christopher Murphy,

0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:45.640
<v Speaker 1>who I didn't I wasn't able to find anything out about.

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Guy Busic, you know, also just kind of works with

0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:53.239
<v Speaker 1>these guys and worked on a comedy horror series right

0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 1>before this movie came out called stand Against Evil that

0:48:56.719 --> 0:49:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I watched. It was a fun show and also so

0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:04.920
<v Speaker 1>very like I love Janet Varney. Anyways. So that's the

0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:07.960
<v Speaker 1>team we're working with here, a very hot horror comedy

0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 1>literate team, but a very male team. And we are

0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:16.440
<v Speaker 1>centering a woman, and that's gonna go a whole lot

0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:20.960
<v Speaker 1>of ways historically. And here let's talk about Grace.

0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:27.479
<v Speaker 3>Yes. So, something that I've talked about at length on

0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:31.239
<v Speaker 3>the show is the way that women tend to be

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:36.759
<v Speaker 3>written in horror thriller movies, especially ones written by men.

0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:42.799
<v Speaker 3>Tend to manifest in a few different ways, most of

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:44.960
<v Speaker 3>them hit me, hit me, hit me, robbed me the

0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:48.319
<v Speaker 3>wrong way. One that we talked about a lot, for

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:54.120
<v Speaker 3>example on the iconic Human Centipede episode who as well

0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:55.160
<v Speaker 3>as others.

0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Who could forget our very first hilarious prank.

0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:05.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So that one is one where women are written

0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:10.520
<v Speaker 3>in such a way where they seem generally unaware of

0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 3>the danger around them. They're overly trusting, they're not cautious,

0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:20.279
<v Speaker 3>even though they've been given many, many reasons that they

0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.680
<v Speaker 3>should be cautious of what's going on. And it just

0:50:24.000 --> 0:50:27.080
<v Speaker 3>tends to ignore the fact that the world is a

0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:33.319
<v Speaker 3>dangerous place for fem presenting people, and many of us

0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:36.839
<v Speaker 3>are like kind of living constantly on edge, especially if

0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 3>we're you know, like going into a stranger's house, right,

0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:45.040
<v Speaker 3>who is gonna sew you into a human centipede? So

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:49.200
<v Speaker 3>a lot of those female characters written by men ignore

0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:55.040
<v Speaker 3>the level of like caution, yeah, hyper awareness, that's one thing,

0:50:55.480 --> 0:50:59.600
<v Speaker 3>and or they're written to be just like unreasonable. They'll

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:03.359
<v Speaker 3>just make unreasonable choices that sort of go against any

0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:06.160
<v Speaker 3>survival instincts or just anything like that, just like making

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:09.200
<v Speaker 3>choices that don't make sense.

0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Or like observed. I can't think of like a strong

0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 1>example of this, but sometimes it feels like there's because

0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:16.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't even think that it like you know, comes

0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:21.600
<v Speaker 1>from a misogynist place, but it does come from like, Okay,

0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:24.480
<v Speaker 1>so you have observed women navigating in the world, and

0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:29.320
<v Speaker 1>you've just like misunderstood, Sure, why they're doing what they're doing,

0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:33.080
<v Speaker 1>and you're like prescribing it in this way that is

0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 1>just not It's not how it goes, right.

0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:40.120
<v Speaker 3>So my point here being that I feel like, for

0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:44.080
<v Speaker 3>the most part, Grace is not written that way in

0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:46.239
<v Speaker 3>this movie. I agree, Yeah, you know, she has no

0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:51.680
<v Speaker 3>reason to be that suspicious aside from just like being

0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:56.200
<v Speaker 3>among rich people, which you know would probably put a

0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:59.840
<v Speaker 3>lot of people on edge. But at first she's given

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:04.239
<v Speaker 3>specific reason that she thinks she, you know, will be

0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:04.960
<v Speaker 3>in danger.

0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:07.200
<v Speaker 1>And I like that they plant like that. This is

0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:10.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of a whirlwooden romance. She doesn't really know the family,

0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:13.400
<v Speaker 1>like right, it felt like everything was kind of planted.

0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:15.480
<v Speaker 1>The only thing that truly I mean, maybe this is

0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:17.440
<v Speaker 1>just like some old money shit that I didn't have.

0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:20.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like, why are they like they're supposed to

0:52:20.560 --> 0:52:23.440
<v Speaker 1>be having sex on their wedding night?

0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:26.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they try to, but you.

0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Know, but I wouldn't want my like mom quite so nearby,

0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:35.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, right. Anyways, whatever, maybe maybe rich people watch

0:52:35.480 --> 0:52:39.759
<v Speaker 1>their kids consulmate their marriage. I don't know who can say.

0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:40.560
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't know a thing.

0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:43.479
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't know. But the point is that as soon

0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:48.000
<v Speaker 3>as danger rears its ugly head. Grace is hyper aware

0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:52.640
<v Speaker 3>of it. She responds reasonably, and for the rest of

0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:58.600
<v Speaker 3>the movie she is making choices that track with what's

0:52:58.640 --> 0:53:01.680
<v Speaker 3>going on there. There are a few examples where I'm like, Okay,

0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:03.840
<v Speaker 3>why didn't you pick up the gun that got dropped

0:53:03.920 --> 0:53:07.840
<v Speaker 3>right beside you. Why didn't you run over Stevens the butler?

0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:10.520
<v Speaker 3>You didn't kill him. He's trying to kill you. The

0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:13.280
<v Speaker 3>whole family's trying to kill you. Make sure he's dead

0:53:13.920 --> 0:53:16.799
<v Speaker 3>before you run away, right, things like that that.

0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Okay, I wish totally. But then also

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, this is her first go I

0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:23.840
<v Speaker 1>kept being like, well, it is her first go round

0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:28.080
<v Speaker 1>being haunted. True fair as far as we know, because

0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 1>we I mean, I think that it is interesting and

0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:33.240
<v Speaker 1>usually I'm more sensitive to this. We know basically nothing

0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:36.920
<v Speaker 1>about her, yeah, other than she was raised without a

0:53:36.960 --> 0:53:39.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of money. She was raised by a foster family

0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 1>that she loved. But I feel like it is like

0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:45.200
<v Speaker 1>the undertone of that suggests in a way that I

0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:48.799
<v Speaker 1>don't think is you know, fair and the foster like

0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the issue of foster families is so rarely discussed at

0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:56.080
<v Speaker 1>all in movies, but it feels it feels like, oh, baby,

0:53:56.200 --> 0:54:00.800
<v Speaker 1>she is excited to be, you know, brought into family

0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and then quickly is like, oh, they fucking suck never mind,

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:06.879
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, exactly Like I like that we get those

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:09.520
<v Speaker 1>details about her, and it's not like we know too

0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:11.719
<v Speaker 1>much more about the rest of the family other than

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:16.560
<v Speaker 1>like jig Saw is going to kill them, like you know,

0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and the incident that we see at the beginning, but

0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:23.080
<v Speaker 1>we don't know really extreme amounts about any character, which

0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:27.360
<v Speaker 1>in an ensemble like horror comedy, I'm fine with the

0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:30.600
<v Speaker 1>thing that I was most like eager to see play

0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:32.799
<v Speaker 1>out that I was like, ooh, how are they going

0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:34.640
<v Speaker 1>to stick the landing on this? But I think that

0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I've only seen Scream five five Cream as it was

0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:44.040
<v Speaker 1>as it was stylized. But I feel like, I mean,

0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:46.399
<v Speaker 1>that's like literally this exact same team, and I felt

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:50.319
<v Speaker 1>like that was done pretty well too, where I understand

0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:54.200
<v Speaker 1>why Grace wants to give Alex a chance to help

0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:57.080
<v Speaker 1>her at first because he is literally her only ally,

0:54:57.440 --> 0:55:00.520
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like the moment that she bails him

0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:03.839
<v Speaker 1>and the moment she has information that is like, I

0:55:03.880 --> 0:55:08.359
<v Speaker 1>have no allies except maybe Daniel it's good. I feel

0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:11.360
<v Speaker 1>like a lesser movie would be like, but I love him,

0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:14.680
<v Speaker 1>I have to trust him, and she has at that moment.

0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:17.200
<v Speaker 1>But I think that that made sense and was earned.

0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:20.360
<v Speaker 1>But once she realizes she can't trust him, like she's

0:55:20.400 --> 0:55:21.719
<v Speaker 1>out right.

0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:26.400
<v Speaker 3>Especially there's a scene in like the Servant's Corridor or

0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:29.480
<v Speaker 3>whatever when she's like, what the fuck is going on?

0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:32.839
<v Speaker 3>He's explaining the situation to her and she's like, you

0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:36.319
<v Speaker 3>didn't warn me, like you knew that this was a possibility,

0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:40.200
<v Speaker 3>and right, you didn't tell me any of this. And

0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:42.279
<v Speaker 3>he's like, well, you were the one who wanted to

0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:45.640
<v Speaker 3>get married. And then she immediately pushes back and she's like, oh,

0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:47.799
<v Speaker 3>so this is my fault. And so I like that,

0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:52.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, she's pushing back, and that was like, to me,

0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:54.440
<v Speaker 3>a clue or like kind of like a bit of

0:55:54.680 --> 0:56:00.600
<v Speaker 3>foreshadowing that he isn't the ally that he's seems to be,

0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:04.520
<v Speaker 3>or that he'll he has the capacity to, you know,

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:07.759
<v Speaker 3>turn to the dark side kind of thing. Yeah. I

0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:11.040
<v Speaker 3>just appreciate the way that she's written in general. But

0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:14.120
<v Speaker 3>the other thing, the other thing you'll see for men

0:56:14.200 --> 0:56:19.480
<v Speaker 3>writing female characters in horror movies is that women characters

0:56:19.520 --> 0:56:25.040
<v Speaker 3>will be written to avoid violence or even though someone's

0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:28.160
<v Speaker 3>trying to kill you, oh, I'm going to take the

0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:30.840
<v Speaker 3>upper hand and not kill the bad guy who's killing me.

0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:34.000
<v Speaker 1>The most recent example I could think of was is

0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:37.600
<v Speaker 1>going to see Phantom of the Opera brag in theaters

0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:42.320
<v Speaker 1>freg again brag Yeah, And how you know the peak

0:56:42.600 --> 0:56:45.799
<v Speaker 1>of that is like, you know, like she kisses the

0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:50.319
<v Speaker 1>Phantom instead of murdering him, which would be reasonable, right,

0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:53.400
<v Speaker 1>And where it's like, yeah, like there's expected You're supposed

0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:56.440
<v Speaker 1>to show a moment of like a woman's secret weapon

0:56:57.160 --> 0:57:03.520
<v Speaker 1>is empathy, which can be true, but so can murder, Like,

0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:06.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, let's keep our options open.

0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:09.880
<v Speaker 3>It depends on the situation, so right, And this is

0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:13.000
<v Speaker 3>not even true across the board for her character, because

0:57:13.040 --> 0:57:16.440
<v Speaker 3>she does attempt to kill people. She does kill Alex's mom,

0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:20.400
<v Speaker 3>she does punch a child who had just shot her.

0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:23.600
<v Speaker 3>But I feel like the movie isn't very consistent with

0:57:23.640 --> 0:57:27.800
<v Speaker 3>how it handles that with her character because the moment

0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:30.600
<v Speaker 3>where like she gets in the car she has the

0:57:30.680 --> 0:57:33.080
<v Speaker 3>opportunity to run the butler.

0:57:32.920 --> 0:57:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Over, She's not gonna like rehabilitate him in this moment.

0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:38.560
<v Speaker 3>All she had to do was put her foot on

0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:41.280
<v Speaker 3>the gas pedal, but instead she puts the car in

0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:44.880
<v Speaker 3>reverse and then drives away without running him over.

0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:48.840
<v Speaker 1>So that I guess I as someone without a driver's license,

0:57:48.880 --> 0:57:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I cannot comment on.

0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:56.560
<v Speaker 3>As someone who's had a driver's license for over twenty

0:57:56.640 --> 0:58:03.000
<v Speaker 3>years now brag. Wow, yeah, okay, okay. So I if

0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:05.400
<v Speaker 3>I was in that situation, because when I saw that

0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:06.520
<v Speaker 3>moment in theater.

0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:09.160
<v Speaker 1>It would be so you would rise to this occasion

0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:10.680
<v Speaker 1>like no other.

0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:14.280
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much. When I saw this in theaters,

0:58:14.320 --> 0:58:17.720
<v Speaker 3>I was so frustrated really by that specific moment of

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:19.959
<v Speaker 3>her not running him over, because I got.

0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:22.120
<v Speaker 1>To be honest, I would be dead. It didn't occur

0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:22.800
<v Speaker 1>to me, Oh.

0:58:22.680 --> 0:58:25.240
<v Speaker 3>My gosh, he's right there in front of the car.

0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:28.760
<v Speaker 3>He was just trying to kill her. She was trying

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:31.800
<v Speaker 3>to kill him too, by like strangling him, and you know.

0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:35.360
<v Speaker 1>She's on FaceTime, which is like, well, oh well once

0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:37.960
<v Speaker 1>they get to the FaceTime thing. Yeah, I enjoyed that.

0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:41.240
<v Speaker 3>Right, and that all worked for me. But I was

0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:44.400
<v Speaker 3>just like, run him over. And this is maybe just

0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:47.440
<v Speaker 3>me fixating on a moment, but I also think that

0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:51.720
<v Speaker 3>it's some little hint of men writing women in such

0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:55.720
<v Speaker 3>a way where women are too polite and too pleasant

0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:59.240
<v Speaker 3>and too delicate to do anything that might be considered

0:58:59.320 --> 0:59:03.640
<v Speaker 3>like morally gray or even an act of self defense.

0:59:03.880 --> 0:59:06.840
<v Speaker 3>But again, the movie doesn't do that with her entirely

0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:11.040
<v Speaker 3>because can she punches a child and of course, like

0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:14.760
<v Speaker 3>taken out of context, that's obviously a horrible thing to do.

0:59:15.320 --> 0:59:17.960
<v Speaker 3>But I guess I just don't know why the movie

0:59:18.080 --> 0:59:22.920
<v Speaker 3>isn't more consistent with Grace's character in that regard. But

0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:24.960
<v Speaker 3>also I don't know, maybe I'm just being too hard

0:59:25.680 --> 0:59:29.440
<v Speaker 3>on the writing and on that particular moment of the movie.

0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know, but I think in general,

0:59:32.080 --> 0:59:35.600
<v Speaker 1>like and again it's it's tricky to like, it's hard

0:59:35.640 --> 0:59:39.520
<v Speaker 1>to not compare this to how poorly this is ordinarily done.

0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:42.360
<v Speaker 1>So maybe like you know, there's always like certainly things

0:59:42.360 --> 0:59:45.880
<v Speaker 1>could always be done better. I think again, taste wise, like,

0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:48.120
<v Speaker 1>even though I liked a lot of the one off

0:59:48.200 --> 0:59:51.280
<v Speaker 1>jokes in this, you know, it's just like a trope

0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:53.800
<v Speaker 1>that I find kind of a little grading where it's

0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:57.440
<v Speaker 1>like it just feels yeah, very Jossweed encoded in a

0:59:57.440 --> 0:59:59.400
<v Speaker 1>way that I just don't care for, where it's like

0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:04.200
<v Speaker 1>overly hippy, it's whatever I want to divorce, like whatever.

1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:08.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Not for me, that's not a gender thing,

1:00:08.160 --> 1:00:12.360
<v Speaker 1>because certainly Adam Brody is equipping all over the place,

1:00:12.760 --> 1:00:18.040
<v Speaker 1>everyone is at the Twilight coating of nice dress, Converse shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>I could keep rattling off the ways in which this

1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:24.160
<v Speaker 1>movie feels like it was almost certainly written in the

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<v Speaker 1>early twenty tens, even though it was released in the

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<v Speaker 1>late twenty tens. But that's not what this show is about.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do feel absolutely certain that that's the case.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>In any case, I do like Grace, and I also

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<v Speaker 1>think that, like Tomorrow, Weaving gives a great performance, like

1:00:40.520 --> 1:00:43.520
<v Speaker 1>almost better than the movie deserves. She was in the

1:00:43.560 --> 1:00:45.840
<v Speaker 1>trenches and you could feel it. You could feel it.

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<v Speaker 3>Her uncle el Rond from Rivendale was like, tomorrow, here's

1:00:51.360 --> 1:00:54.280
<v Speaker 3>how you act. And she's like, thanks, uncle.

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<v Speaker 1>I got it. That's exactly how napotism works. Ye. Melanie

1:00:59.520 --> 1:01:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Griffith like took Dakota Johnson aside. She's like, today is

1:01:02.640 --> 1:01:03.960
<v Speaker 1>the day I teach you how to act?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Okay, hang on a second, now that you mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>Dakota Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>Madam Webb, her Web connects them all. I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna I think I hope it's good and we can

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<v Speaker 1>cover it on the show. I mean not good, but

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<v Speaker 1>like good bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what I was going to say was, Okay, it's

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<v Speaker 3>Wedding Webruary, Madam Webruary. Is that anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we're going to release a third episode this month,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna go see Madam web I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>see I'm gonna go see Madam Webb tomorrow alone or

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<v Speaker 1>with people, doesn't really matter to me. If you if

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<v Speaker 1>you're free tomorrow night, I was gonna go see Madam Webb.

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<v Speaker 3>I might be, so I'll join you. I do have a.

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<v Speaker 1>Want of spield Web.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, sorry, I have a whole spiel on Wedding Webruary,

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<v Speaker 3>and just like wedding representation in this movie. I'll get

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<v Speaker 3>to that in a second. But oh yes, because I

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<v Speaker 3>was talking about her not killing the butler and she

1:02:00.320 --> 1:02:03.200
<v Speaker 3>had a chance. I do want to talk about how

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<v Speaker 3>all of the first people to die in this movie

1:02:06.440 --> 1:02:09.640
<v Speaker 3>are the like, yes quote unquote help yes, the working

1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:10.320
<v Speaker 3>class people.

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<v Speaker 1>I have that note as well, and they're also given

1:02:13.240 --> 1:02:15.520
<v Speaker 1>like they're all essentially the same character.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, no characterization, I mean the butler stands out because

1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:24.040
<v Speaker 3>he's actually given lines and he's integrated into the plot

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<v Speaker 3>quite a bit more. But there are three like maids

1:02:27.600 --> 1:02:33.880
<v Speaker 3>slash housekeepers who are all just basically the same person.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know anything about them. They're the first three

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<v Speaker 3>people to die. They all get accidentally killed by someone,

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<v Speaker 3>so Emily the sister accidentally shoots the first housekeeper. We

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<v Speaker 3>learn her name is Clara, and they're like she was

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<v Speaker 3>our favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, which is a class I mean, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to do a class thing there, but I

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<v Speaker 1>just it didn't hit for me. And it also takes

1:02:58.720 --> 1:03:01.000
<v Speaker 1>a very long time for a man to die in

1:03:01.040 --> 1:03:01.640
<v Speaker 1>this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, right, Yeah, the optics of a movie being about

1:03:06.360 --> 1:03:09.280
<v Speaker 3>like taking down the rich, but the first three people

1:03:09.320 --> 1:03:13.400
<v Speaker 3>to die are working class women.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt this way. I mean, and I haven't. I

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<v Speaker 1>only saw the menu, just the ones, so maybe I'm misremembering,

1:03:18.320 --> 1:03:22.280
<v Speaker 1>but I remember feeling like that not like other girls'

1:03:22.360 --> 1:03:26.600
<v Speaker 1>ness of the main character also sort of applied to

1:03:26.680 --> 1:03:30.560
<v Speaker 1>her class, where like she is not like the other

1:03:30.720 --> 1:03:34.160
<v Speaker 1>poor girls, like or not like the other poor people

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<v Speaker 1>for reasons because she's the star of the movie. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was interesting that like in a movie that has

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<v Speaker 1>a clear vested interest in saying something about class, that

1:03:45.320 --> 1:03:50.640
<v Speaker 1>the working class characters are picked off pretty abruptly, especially

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<v Speaker 1>three you know, three women that well we learned I

1:03:53.840 --> 1:03:58.600
<v Speaker 1>think their names, they're interchangeable, and yeah, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>get Stevens, who I yes, you have more of him,

1:04:01.920 --> 1:04:05.840
<v Speaker 1>he's the working class person that lives the longest. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was, I was. I thought it was like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a miss and a missed opportunity to leave Grace

1:04:11.560 --> 1:04:15.080
<v Speaker 1>entirely by herself, because that could have been an opportunity to, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if we keep some of those characters in

1:04:18.120 --> 1:04:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the mix, that's a chance for them to connect. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a chance for her to like form an ally shop

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<v Speaker 1>even if it doesn't work out, Like but I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was. I don't remember the name of the last

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<v Speaker 1>was it Dora? I believe Dora.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's a one in the middle who I

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<v Speaker 3>think is the only person of color in the movie

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<v Speaker 3>who's not like a background actor at the wedding. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>she I don't even think has any lines, nor do

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<v Speaker 3>I think we learn her name.

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<v Speaker 1>She's credited as Tina, but I didn't remember hearing that either,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we get those three housekeepers killed right away.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is something I've talked a lot about recently too,

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<v Speaker 3>that I and maybe there is truth to this, And

1:05:01.360 --> 1:05:04.240
<v Speaker 3>I just don't know because I've never met anyone rich

1:05:04.360 --> 1:05:09.480
<v Speaker 3>enough to have servants. So brave of me for that

1:05:09.560 --> 1:05:13.160
<v Speaker 3>to be the case. But the characters who are like

1:05:13.640 --> 1:05:16.320
<v Speaker 3>the servants to the rich people in movies are almost

1:05:16.360 --> 1:05:23.240
<v Speaker 3>always written to be these like unwaveringly loyal employees to

1:05:24.400 --> 1:05:28.040
<v Speaker 3>the rich families that they serve, even if the rich

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<v Speaker 3>families are doing horrible things the way they're doing horrible

1:05:31.320 --> 1:05:34.479
<v Speaker 3>things in this movie. And I just I'm sure there's

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<v Speaker 3>some sort of like aspect of the help being dehumanized

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<v Speaker 3>in a way that it sort of conditions them to

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<v Speaker 3>think that they have to be so loyal to the family.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure there's something there that I just don't have

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<v Speaker 3>a full understanding of because I, again I don't know anyone,

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<v Speaker 3>but like you're acting like I do, well, But I

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<v Speaker 3>just like it's more just like, is there truth to

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<v Speaker 3>this slash? Why are servant characters always written to be

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<v Speaker 3>this way? Because we were talking about this and like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like we talked about this in the Beauty

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<v Speaker 3>and the Beast episode, and we talked about this in

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<v Speaker 3>the Haunted Mansion and what a Girl Wants and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there is most likely not true that

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and even if there is, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>a long term loyalty to one's employer, it's certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>like one dimensional in this way. Like that's a complicated thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, like there's still movies that are

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<v Speaker 1>doing that where they're like our servants are like our family,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, well, but that's not true, like there's

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<v Speaker 1>an exchange going on. But yeah, I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I would chalk that up to how every character

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<v Speaker 1>in this movie is fairly one dimensional. But again, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like if Grace is the only person Grace and Alex

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<v Speaker 1>and Daniel are kind of the only characters that get

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<v Speaker 1>a like shades of gray shown in their personality. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for what this movie is and what it seems to be.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, however, Goofily trying to get at to knock

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<v Speaker 1>off our working class characters so quickly is ridiculous. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like weird.

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<v Speaker 3>It just feels antithetical to what the movie's trying to say.

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<v Speaker 3>I think what it would have worked better is if

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<v Speaker 3>and if you have like one like hyper loyal servant

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<v Speaker 3>character and that's Stevens, Like fine, but it would make

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<v Speaker 3>more sense to me if the three working class servant

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<v Speaker 3>women are like, fuck this family, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>be complicit in the awful things they're doing, and they

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<v Speaker 3>try to help Grace or.

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<v Speaker 1>At least, yeah, some gradient among the three women, because

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<v Speaker 1>like there are three people are gonna feel different about

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<v Speaker 1>this situation. I think, yeah, Like I'm not bothered if

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because there's sometimes two the other direction where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like all women are loyal to women, which is

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<v Speaker 1>just demonstrably untrue. Sure one is like no, I'm saving

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<v Speaker 1>my ass tonight, like best of luck to you, Grace,

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like another person that's like, let's work together,

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<v Speaker 1>which probably would have been really helpful for Grace and

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<v Speaker 1>clearly the servant because it did not work out for them.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Yeah, like if there was some I

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<v Speaker 1>also just feel like that would have made the movie

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<v Speaker 1>a little It would have resolved some of the like

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<v Speaker 1>second act, like she's getting out of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>like there's a lot of set pieces that she has

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<v Speaker 1>to get her way through, which is great. But it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been cool to have someone with her for

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of even if they don't make it

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<v Speaker 1>to the end, because she's the final girl and this

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<v Speaker 1>movie is not trying to get around the final girl trope,

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<v Speaker 1>like and that's fine, but yeah, it just why even

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<v Speaker 1>have Like it just felt like the working class the

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<v Speaker 1>three women specifically were put there for it to be

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<v Speaker 1>shocking when they suddenly started dying, like that is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the only function they serve, and in a movie

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<v Speaker 1>about class, that is like not a logical Like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not a thoughtful choice.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Instead, another pitch for a different way to handle

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<v Speaker 3>it would be if you need bodies, bodies bodies to

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<v Speaker 3>start dying in this movie, which stands a reason it's

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<v Speaker 3>a horror thriller where violence is happening and you want

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<v Speaker 3>to see people die along the way, just bring in

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<v Speaker 3>more of the rich, bring in some cousins, bring in

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<v Speaker 3>some other random family members who can be in on this,

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<v Speaker 3>and then make them more minor characters who are the

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<v Speaker 3>first ones to die. That would have worked better for

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<v Speaker 3>me too. Yeah, anyway, so I guess it boils down

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<v Speaker 3>to I appreciate that this movie's obvious agenda is like, yeah,

1:09:57.360 --> 1:10:01.840
<v Speaker 3>rich people are scared and soul lists and they'll go

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<v Speaker 3>to whatever lengths, whatever horrible lengths, to hold on to

1:10:06.520 --> 1:10:11.479
<v Speaker 3>their wealth. And again, it's very cathartic to see them

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<v Speaker 3>die at the end, and I'm glad that, like no

1:10:15.080 --> 1:10:18.799
<v Speaker 3>one was spared because they're all complicit to some degree.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that was something that I was like, really, God,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that it's not the sort of thing where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like there was one really good guy and you're like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>there wasn't. Come on, yeah, be serious.

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<v Speaker 3>The other spiel they have ties back to the theme

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<v Speaker 3>of wedding webruary.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's web it.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's madam web this together. So most movies that feature

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<v Speaker 3>weddings frame a wedding frame the idea of people getting

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<v Speaker 3>married as this amazing, celebratory thing that's so happy and

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<v Speaker 3>nothing will ever go wrong. And this movie is more

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<v Speaker 3>of a kind of cautionary tale of having a wedding

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<v Speaker 3>or of getting married, and a cautionary tale of how

1:11:11.560 --> 1:11:17.080
<v Speaker 3>doing that significantly changes a person's circumstances, or can significantly

1:11:17.160 --> 1:11:20.519
<v Speaker 3>change a person's circumstances. You know, you get you inherit,

1:11:20.600 --> 1:11:25.760
<v Speaker 3>these in laws possibly and a dynamic can change in

1:11:25.880 --> 1:11:27.720
<v Speaker 3>your relationship.

1:11:27.040 --> 1:11:29.519
<v Speaker 1>Or that just like you could be marrying. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess this comes up in movies, but

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<v Speaker 1>not in wedding movies. We're at the air where it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you married the wrong person and that's okay, you

1:11:38.680 --> 1:11:42.439
<v Speaker 1>can get out of it, like that's you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>I mean in Alex's case, it's like getting married does

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<v Speaker 1>not fundamentally change what a piece of shit you are,

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<v Speaker 1>Like right, you know, it's like not because yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that, Like you know, weddings and just married in

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<v Speaker 1>general are often presented as this cure to a state

1:11:59.520 --> 1:12:02.679
<v Speaker 1>of being whatever that is, and I feel like what

1:12:02.720 --> 1:12:05.679
<v Speaker 1>that quote unquote means has changed over time, but still

1:12:05.720 --> 1:12:09.000
<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, this will fix things and it never does,

1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:11.240
<v Speaker 1>like it never that, you know, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>get married, get married, but like you're I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>the successful a successful marriage indicates two people who know

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<v Speaker 1>that they're going to be the same people after this day,

1:12:21.600 --> 1:12:24.800
<v Speaker 1>and Alex is clearly I think Alex is getting married

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<v Speaker 1>because he thinks that like she can fix him or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and then once he realizes that he can't, he turns

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<v Speaker 1>on her.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So yeah, speaking personally as someone who has very

1:12:39.520 --> 1:12:44.320
<v Speaker 3>little interest in getting married, brag. I appreciate a movie

1:12:44.400 --> 1:12:47.960
<v Speaker 3>that does present getting married as a cautionary tale. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that everyone who gets married is going

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<v Speaker 3>to have awful in laws who are going to try

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<v Speaker 3>to kill you, but sometimes but it does.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

1:12:58.200 --> 1:12:59.000
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of.

1:12:58.960 --> 1:13:03.080
<v Speaker 3>Movies just present and the concept of marriage in this

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<v Speaker 3>very sanitized, fairy tale way without recognizing the effort it

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<v Speaker 3>takes to maintain a marriage, or the compromises that come

1:13:14.720 --> 1:13:17.920
<v Speaker 3>with getting married or anything like that. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>there is a gendered aspect to that, because for sure,

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<v Speaker 3>girls and women in particular are often sold the fairy

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<v Speaker 3>tale of wedding and marriage, and they're kind of encouraged

1:13:33.439 --> 1:13:38.200
<v Speaker 3>to have unrealistic expectations about it, Like fairy tales and

1:13:38.600 --> 1:13:42.519
<v Speaker 3>brom comms and all those things are targeted toward a

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<v Speaker 3>specific demographic because in so many societies throughout most of history,

1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:53.479
<v Speaker 3>marriage is slash was a way to turn women into property.

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<v Speaker 3>So you had to trick women into thinking that marriage

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<v Speaker 3>was awesome actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, that it's special, that it's like special and it's

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<v Speaker 1>your day and like you are not big exchanged for goats,

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<v Speaker 1>this is your like yeah, and that you get and

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<v Speaker 1>and you know as time goes on, and that is

1:14:11.800 --> 1:14:14.559
<v Speaker 1>although it's like still I don't know, like when my

1:14:15.439 --> 1:14:18.040
<v Speaker 1>parents were married, it was only very recently that like

1:14:18.080 --> 1:14:20.599
<v Speaker 1>my mom could get her own credit card, Like it

1:14:20.680 --> 1:14:24.519
<v Speaker 1>is still like there's elements of that exchange that are

1:14:24.560 --> 1:14:26.800
<v Speaker 1>present in marriage, but and and in different parts of

1:14:26.840 --> 1:14:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the world it works differently more so or less so.

1:14:29.760 --> 1:14:32.360
<v Speaker 1>But even in the places where that is not the

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<v Speaker 1>case anymore, there's like this commercial aspect to it now

1:14:36.080 --> 1:14:39.240
<v Speaker 1>and like where it's like you have to got I mean,

1:14:39.960 --> 1:14:44.040
<v Speaker 1>how much did those twenty seven dresses cost her? Anyways? Uh,

1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Like now it's like an event and it's I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like where some of the thankfully some of the women

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<v Speaker 1>as property has been lost legally over time, although that's

1:14:57.240 --> 1:15:01.720
<v Speaker 1>being regressed as well. It's been replaced with this commercialism.

1:15:01.840 --> 1:15:04.920
<v Speaker 1>And like you're saying, like selling the fantasy starting from

1:15:04.960 --> 1:15:09.280
<v Speaker 1>when you're very young, yeah, and that fantasy is not

1:15:09.439 --> 1:15:15.880
<v Speaker 1>sold to boys and men in the binary children's entertainment universe.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you are sort of conditioned to be

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<v Speaker 1>like more like I am provider.

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<v Speaker 3>I am like.

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<v Speaker 1>There is still this ownership that comes with how men

1:15:25.880 --> 1:15:30.559
<v Speaker 1>are conditioned to see hetero marriage right, and women it's

1:15:30.600 --> 1:15:34.000
<v Speaker 1>like it's my big day and like whatever happens after today,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but that's I mean. But also, you

1:15:38.160 --> 1:15:40.920
<v Speaker 1>know we talked about we we love to attend a wedding.

1:15:41.479 --> 1:15:42.559
<v Speaker 1>We love to attend a wedding.

1:15:42.720 --> 1:15:45.720
<v Speaker 3>Invite us to your weddings. Slash will officiate them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also yeah, I think it is like yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>always say I agree with you. I think that this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also like that we don't even really go

1:15:53.520 --> 1:15:55.040
<v Speaker 1>We don't go to the wedding. We go to like

1:15:55.080 --> 1:15:57.640
<v Speaker 1>the photo shoot and then the after party. Like the

1:15:57.680 --> 1:16:01.960
<v Speaker 1>movie very intentionally does not care about the wedding, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's fun. You never see a movie about weddings

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<v Speaker 1>where it's not leading up to the wedding.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's great. Yes, So again I just appreciate even

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<v Speaker 3>though this movie is a very like heightened horror movie

1:16:15.600 --> 1:16:18.680
<v Speaker 3>version of this kind of cautionary tale, I appreciate it

1:16:18.720 --> 1:16:23.479
<v Speaker 3>nonetheless because of how most movies again present it as

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<v Speaker 3>a very fairy tale, sanitized Oh, it's the wedding is

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<v Speaker 3>the best day of your life, and who cares about

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<v Speaker 3>what happens after that? As long as you just have

1:16:32.000 --> 1:16:37.719
<v Speaker 3>a really nice wedding, and I like that the movie

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't take that approach.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, I agree, thanks, And yeah, it's a fun

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen a wedding movie like this. You know,

1:16:48.240 --> 1:16:51.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily need another, but I think it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>unique in that way. In other ways, it's you know,

1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:56.960
<v Speaker 1>doing a fun the same thing. Yeah, I want to

1:16:56.960 --> 1:17:00.680
<v Speaker 1>talk about the other women in this family. Sure, we

1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:02.599
<v Speaker 1>don't know very much about them. I mean the anti

1:17:02.720 --> 1:17:04.920
<v Speaker 1>k Doll character. Again, I feel like maybe this is

1:17:04.960 --> 1:17:09.160
<v Speaker 1>like a writing thing where her being awful was like

1:17:09.200 --> 1:17:11.360
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be a twist where you're like, but like

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<v Speaker 1>I knew, like the doy I don't know, we get

1:17:16.600 --> 1:17:19.439
<v Speaker 1>a little bit from her where she I mean, she

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<v Speaker 1>and Daniel are kind of like doing the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>where they're like, we like you, we like you, we're

1:17:25.240 --> 1:17:27.320
<v Speaker 1>rooting for you. But at the end of the day,

1:17:28.120 --> 1:17:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the board game dynasty must stand. And I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess there's really not I don't have that much

1:17:34.960 --> 1:17:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to say about her. I wish I had a little

1:17:37.000 --> 1:17:40.080
<v Speaker 1>more to say about her. I also think she would

1:17:40.080 --> 1:17:43.679
<v Speaker 1>have been a cool character to like turn against people

1:17:43.720 --> 1:17:46.759
<v Speaker 1>too late. I don't know why, Like, did the person

1:17:47.080 --> 1:17:51.320
<v Speaker 1>who ends up sort of switching and like beginning your

1:17:51.400 --> 1:17:54.799
<v Speaker 1>redemption arc before being killed have to be a brother.

1:17:54.960 --> 1:17:57.519
<v Speaker 1>There are so many women in this house, but you know,

1:17:58.080 --> 1:18:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I think there's an opportunity for like especial because you know,

1:18:02.040 --> 1:18:05.960
<v Speaker 1>his mother has seen this happen over the years and

1:18:06.680 --> 1:18:09.919
<v Speaker 1>is the quote unquote an outsider. She's buried into the family,

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<v Speaker 1>So it would have been cool to see another woman

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<v Speaker 1>who is an outsider feel a type of way about

1:18:15.479 --> 1:18:18.960
<v Speaker 1>it and maybe, you know, at least offer some sort

1:18:19.000 --> 1:18:20.760
<v Speaker 1>of solidarity. Even if it does, I don't know. I

1:18:20.800 --> 1:18:23.679
<v Speaker 1>just feel like, especially because it's like they had Andy McDowell,

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<v Speaker 1>I just wish that they had done more with that character.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know I did. That was all I really

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<v Speaker 1>had to say about it. I just wish that there

1:18:31.240 --> 1:18:32.120
<v Speaker 1>was more to talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's kind of not much to talk about any

1:18:35.280 --> 1:18:42.559
<v Speaker 3>of the other women because with Daniel's his wife Charity,

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<v Speaker 3>you learn that she has the way she describes it, well,

1:18:47.200 --> 1:18:49.960
<v Speaker 3>she barely describes it. She just says, like, you know

1:18:50.000 --> 1:18:52.839
<v Speaker 3>what my life was like before this, Because he's Daniel's

1:18:52.840 --> 1:18:57.400
<v Speaker 3>criticizing her for like not flinching the second she learns

1:18:57.600 --> 1:19:02.120
<v Speaker 3>of this family's like you know, nefarious history and their

1:19:02.320 --> 1:19:04.880
<v Speaker 3>yeah goat sacrifices and all that kind of stuff, and

1:19:04.920 --> 1:19:06.920
<v Speaker 3>she's like, well, as long as I'm rich, I don't

1:19:06.960 --> 1:19:10.879
<v Speaker 3>give a shit. And so that's her character.

1:19:11.320 --> 1:19:13.599
<v Speaker 1>And you know, there.

1:19:13.439 --> 1:19:17.800
<v Speaker 3>Are people like that who come from humble beginnings that

1:19:18.439 --> 1:19:21.519
<v Speaker 3>definitely you know, suddenly have access to wealth and then

1:19:21.600 --> 1:19:24.280
<v Speaker 3>they become an evil person. Seems to be the case

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<v Speaker 3>for Charity. But that's kind of all we know about her.

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<v Speaker 1>I also don't know like why they Like I had

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<v Speaker 1>questions about why these two were married at all, Like

1:19:34.240 --> 1:19:38.599
<v Speaker 1>they don't like each other, which is I mean, that's

1:19:38.640 --> 1:19:42.360
<v Speaker 1>like ninety percent of married couples. But like, I do

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<v Speaker 1>feel like in a movie you should get some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of taste of like why things aren't working or or

1:19:50.520 --> 1:19:53.080
<v Speaker 1>just yeah, because with Charity, the only explanation you get

1:19:53.160 --> 1:19:55.160
<v Speaker 1>is this sentence of like, I am not going to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to being poor, which is certainly like you're

1:19:57.080 --> 1:20:00.719
<v Speaker 1>saying an attitude that exists. But why did they get married?

1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:04.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, because at least we can tell from the

1:20:04.160 --> 1:20:06.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, very kind of dry opening scene of this

1:20:06.479 --> 1:20:09.640
<v Speaker 1>movie that like Grace and Alex like each other. They

1:20:09.640 --> 1:20:13.200
<v Speaker 1>seem to you, that's why they appear to have gotten married. Yeah,

1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:15.559
<v Speaker 1>that's why a lot of people do it. Not all,

1:20:15.800 --> 1:20:19.559
<v Speaker 1>but but but many. M Yeah. With with Daniel and Charity,

1:20:19.600 --> 1:20:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, was this arranged? Like why?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, my guess is that they did love each

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<v Speaker 3>other for some time and then they got married, and

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<v Speaker 3>then they grew to resent each other and hate each

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<v Speaker 3>other the way.

1:20:30.439 --> 1:20:32.479
<v Speaker 1>We're just supposed to go on our like what we

1:20:32.600 --> 1:20:35.000
<v Speaker 1>know about what happens with married couples is they like

1:20:35.040 --> 1:20:36.400
<v Speaker 1>each other for a while.

1:20:36.360 --> 1:20:38.000
<v Speaker 3>And then they don't anymore.

1:20:38.479 --> 1:20:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I just felt

1:20:40.560 --> 1:20:44.320
<v Speaker 1>like it was, especially because our sympathies are with Daniel,

1:20:44.720 --> 1:20:48.120
<v Speaker 1>that it kind of turns us against Charity in a

1:20:48.320 --> 1:20:52.479
<v Speaker 1>contextless way where again and again, like the same missed

1:20:52.520 --> 1:20:54.519
<v Speaker 1>opportunities as Andy McDowell's character.

1:20:55.280 --> 1:20:58.960
<v Speaker 3>True, and then the thing that makes the least sense

1:20:59.040 --> 1:21:03.640
<v Speaker 3>to me, But maybe maybe there's something to contextualizes. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. But the way Aunt Helene, what is that

1:21:08.120 --> 1:21:12.479
<v Speaker 3>you see her in the beginning, She's the bride whose

1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:17.360
<v Speaker 3>partner is being human sacrificed, and you see how traumatizing

1:21:17.400 --> 1:21:19.800
<v Speaker 3>that is for her and how upset she is by it.

1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:23.120
<v Speaker 3>She seems to love her husband and is very sad

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<v Speaker 3>that he gets killed. The next time we see her,

1:21:26.840 --> 1:21:31.640
<v Speaker 3>she's been radicalized in the other direction, and she's like, no,

1:21:32.560 --> 1:21:36.080
<v Speaker 3>this tradition is so important and it's for the greater good.

1:21:36.200 --> 1:21:40.160
<v Speaker 3>But like, we don't understand how she has that turn,

1:21:40.479 --> 1:21:44.439
<v Speaker 3>or like what prompts her to arc in that direction

1:21:44.640 --> 1:21:46.000
<v Speaker 3>as a character, so.

1:21:46.080 --> 1:21:48.719
<v Speaker 1>And that it's like we're like owed by the narrative

1:21:48.840 --> 1:21:51.800
<v Speaker 1>if they're gonna go out of the way, Like, her

1:21:51.920 --> 1:21:54.320
<v Speaker 1>behavior makes more sense to me if we don't even

1:21:54.479 --> 1:21:57.360
<v Speaker 1>see that beginning scene right, like you're just like, oh,

1:21:57.439 --> 1:22:00.400
<v Speaker 1>this is the like and again playing into like cooky

1:22:00.439 --> 1:22:04.960
<v Speaker 1>older woman stereotypes. Right, Everyone in this movie is a

1:22:05.000 --> 1:22:07.760
<v Speaker 1>stereotype to some extent. But it makes more sense to

1:22:07.760 --> 1:22:09.320
<v Speaker 1>me if we don't know that she's been through this

1:22:09.360 --> 1:22:11.400
<v Speaker 1>tremendous trauma, because then I'm like, you need to tell

1:22:11.479 --> 1:22:13.600
<v Speaker 1>us how she got from A to B. You just

1:22:13.760 --> 1:22:14.120
<v Speaker 1>have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. I agree also with Aunt Helene. I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>the trope is present of an older woman, especially one

1:22:22.920 --> 1:22:26.800
<v Speaker 3>who is unmarried and who doesn't have children. That type

1:22:26.800 --> 1:22:32.920
<v Speaker 3>of woman equals scary, creepy Crone because even though she

1:22:33.360 --> 1:22:37.879
<v Speaker 3>and Andy McDowell's character are presumably roughly the same age

1:22:38.280 --> 1:22:42.200
<v Speaker 3>and the actors are similar in age, Aunt Helene I

1:22:42.240 --> 1:22:46.080
<v Speaker 3>feel like, is styled to look older. You know, she's

1:22:46.120 --> 1:22:48.760
<v Speaker 3>got like the short white hair, and then just like

1:22:49.160 --> 1:22:53.639
<v Speaker 3>considering she's often presented as this like startling jump scare

1:22:54.280 --> 1:22:58.400
<v Speaker 3>or just a creepy presence in general. Ye, that feels

1:22:58.479 --> 1:23:00.240
<v Speaker 3>pretty intentional to me.

1:23:00.880 --> 1:23:02.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I think that there is like a

1:23:02.880 --> 1:23:06.320
<v Speaker 1>certain kind of visual coding to that as well. That is,

1:23:06.400 --> 1:23:08.920
<v Speaker 1>and like also the way that that character is written,

1:23:09.000 --> 1:23:11.559
<v Speaker 1>as we just talked about, like kind of falls apart

1:23:11.680 --> 1:23:15.320
<v Speaker 1>under light scrutiny, and it seems like in favor of

1:23:15.360 --> 1:23:20.439
<v Speaker 1>having her be the like I'm gonna use the word

1:23:20.479 --> 1:23:23.479
<v Speaker 1>kookie because it just is like this void of like

1:23:24.160 --> 1:23:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the kookie Aunt that is like chosen in favor of

1:23:30.040 --> 1:23:33.760
<v Speaker 1>giving us a character that was set up, and the

1:23:33.840 --> 1:23:37.839
<v Speaker 1>visual choices support that sort of like we're just gonna

1:23:37.840 --> 1:23:41.599
<v Speaker 1>do the kookie Aunt aesthetic instead of thinking critically because

1:23:41.640 --> 1:23:43.800
<v Speaker 1>it's like this movie is challenging somethings and then other

1:23:43.800 --> 1:23:46.920
<v Speaker 1>things are just like there as you would normally see them,

1:23:46.960 --> 1:23:52.479
<v Speaker 1>which I feel like is like men maybe true, just

1:23:52.560 --> 1:23:55.639
<v Speaker 1>throwing that out there, but yeah, yeah, that that definitely

1:23:55.680 --> 1:23:59.559
<v Speaker 1>felt dissonant, and also like both of those characters are

1:23:59.640 --> 1:24:04.439
<v Speaker 1>under like it just sure what is their relationship like

1:24:04.600 --> 1:24:08.720
<v Speaker 1>because these women have known each other for thirty five years.

1:24:08.680 --> 1:24:10.400
<v Speaker 3>Presumably what I don't know.

1:24:10.479 --> 1:24:14.040
<v Speaker 1>There's just no insight into The only insight you really

1:24:14.080 --> 1:24:17.920
<v Speaker 1>get is like Alex and Daniel, which is another thing

1:24:18.000 --> 1:24:22.280
<v Speaker 1>that like Emily is left out of this sibling dynamic.

1:24:22.360 --> 1:24:27.280
<v Speaker 1>She's like turned into a you know, like very stereotype,

1:24:27.360 --> 1:24:31.120
<v Speaker 1>like you know, she's always high and she's jittery and

1:24:31.160 --> 1:24:35.400
<v Speaker 1>she's killing people. Where you know, Alex and Daniel get

1:24:35.680 --> 1:24:37.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's still the tone of the movie, but

1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:41.559
<v Speaker 1>they get some sort of arc as siblings. They get

1:24:41.560 --> 1:24:45.479
<v Speaker 1>some sort of arc morally, Emily is like there for

1:24:45.560 --> 1:24:48.519
<v Speaker 1>comic relief, Like why is that.

1:24:48.960 --> 1:24:53.320
<v Speaker 3>Every scene she's in she just like snorts some more

1:24:53.920 --> 1:24:56.439
<v Speaker 3>coke or eats some pills.

1:24:56.200 --> 1:24:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Which is also like weird, I mean in a way

1:24:58.800 --> 1:25:00.240
<v Speaker 1>that I don't even know how to feel about. But

1:25:00.320 --> 1:25:04.920
<v Speaker 1>like very like rich lady stereotype, like using uppers all

1:25:04.960 --> 1:25:08.479
<v Speaker 1>the time and you know, be pleasant and be appealing

1:25:08.560 --> 1:25:09.720
<v Speaker 1>and blah blah blah.

1:25:09.840 --> 1:25:12.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't even know how to compute that in

1:25:12.200 --> 1:25:15.720
<v Speaker 3>this context, but the point is, Yeah, why isn't she

1:25:16.080 --> 1:25:20.360
<v Speaker 3>brought into the fold of the sibling dynamics. She's just

1:25:20.400 --> 1:25:24.759
<v Speaker 3>sort of like she's the koked out mommy who's dealing

1:25:24.800 --> 1:25:27.920
<v Speaker 3>with trying to raise a family. I guess, even though

1:25:27.960 --> 1:25:30.760
<v Speaker 3>you barely see her interacting with her kids. I don't know.

1:25:31.360 --> 1:25:34.240
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even realize she had kids until it was

1:25:34.280 --> 1:25:37.479
<v Speaker 1>like surprised. That was the kid that Tomorrow Weaving punched

1:25:37.479 --> 1:25:40.320
<v Speaker 1>in the face, was like her kid. Yeah, and that

1:25:40.520 --> 1:25:44.400
<v Speaker 1>is only there to teach Daniel that this is actually

1:25:44.439 --> 1:25:47.639
<v Speaker 1>fucked up, you know, Like I don't know. I yeah,

1:25:47.760 --> 1:25:51.200
<v Speaker 1>especially like I I love a sibling movie. I love

1:25:51.280 --> 1:25:55.200
<v Speaker 1>siblings at odds. Sure, Succession is my favorite television program.

1:25:56.360 --> 1:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>But this, yeah, she feels very intentionally left out, to

1:25:59.760 --> 1:26:03.200
<v Speaker 1>the where sometimes I forgot she was their sister. Same

1:26:03.760 --> 1:26:07.280
<v Speaker 1>so that's not great. Yeah, yeah, I would have liked

1:26:07.320 --> 1:26:11.320
<v Speaker 1>to see her more meaningfully included. Shout out to Melanie s. Grafano,

1:26:11.360 --> 1:26:16.400
<v Speaker 1>though she is currently on Star Trek's Strange New Worlds,

1:26:16.680 --> 1:26:23.519
<v Speaker 1>which is a really awesome show starring Hot nepotism Ethan

1:26:23.880 --> 1:26:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Peck as Hot Spock number two because Zachary Quintal is

1:26:30.000 --> 1:26:32.280
<v Speaker 1>obviously also well Spot. You know, all of this boxs

1:26:32.280 --> 1:26:40.520
<v Speaker 1>are hot. Sure he's Gregory Peck's grandson, question mark, Okay, Yeah, anyways,

1:26:40.720 --> 1:26:48.280
<v Speaker 1>nepotism is everywhere, guzy, Madam Webb in any case, Yeah,

1:26:48.320 --> 1:26:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I felt like that there's every woman. I mean, and

1:26:51.479 --> 1:26:54.559
<v Speaker 1>I want to be fair and say that, it's like,

1:26:54.920 --> 1:26:58.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not as if there aren't male characters that are

1:26:59.000 --> 1:27:03.080
<v Speaker 1>underwritten or dimensional to some extent. Everyone is, but it's

1:27:03.120 --> 1:27:07.920
<v Speaker 1>just as like who is given a little more tends

1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:11.880
<v Speaker 1>to be the male characters outside of Grace getting the

1:27:12.000 --> 1:27:16.240
<v Speaker 1>edge time and time again. I thought Fitch was funny.

1:27:17.439 --> 1:27:18.559
<v Speaker 1>He family is shit.

1:27:18.840 --> 1:27:21.559
<v Speaker 3>He's also like deliberately written to be very annoying so

1:27:21.640 --> 1:27:26.759
<v Speaker 3>that you're when he dies, you're like, finally, yeah, yeah,

1:27:27.120 --> 1:27:30.840
<v Speaker 3>certainly there was more room for a little bit more

1:27:31.000 --> 1:27:35.040
<v Speaker 3>character development all around. But yeah, you know.

1:27:35.280 --> 1:27:37.439
<v Speaker 1>But it's also like, I don't know, I honestly like,

1:27:37.960 --> 1:27:40.840
<v Speaker 1>if you're not watching for that, like this is a

1:27:41.280 --> 1:27:45.519
<v Speaker 1>fun movie to be like brain switched off. The entire

1:27:45.640 --> 1:27:49.559
<v Speaker 1>family fucking explodes at the end, Like, uh, it's awesome,

1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:50.679
<v Speaker 1>It's so awesome.

1:27:50.840 --> 1:27:54.720
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's all I had to really say about it

1:27:54.760 --> 1:27:58.400
<v Speaker 3>at this time. I'm sure I'm missing something, but well.

1:27:58.240 --> 1:28:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean just to state the like, this movie takes

1:28:01.320 --> 1:28:05.559
<v Speaker 1>place in the rich white people world, and we're also

1:28:06.040 --> 1:28:08.639
<v Speaker 1>contained in an environment, so it's like not a movie

1:28:08.640 --> 1:28:12.640
<v Speaker 1>that is even really open to any sort of diversity.

1:28:13.439 --> 1:28:19.439
<v Speaker 1>I feel like by design, but certainly worth mentioning. And yeah,

1:28:19.479 --> 1:28:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I like, you know, in spite of the flaws that

1:28:21.640 --> 1:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>we have, just you know, taken apart at length, I

1:28:24.320 --> 1:28:28.160
<v Speaker 1>enjoy this movie. I think it's fun, same and it

1:28:28.280 --> 1:28:31.800
<v Speaker 1>reminds me why I like Samorrow Weaving because I feel

1:28:31.800 --> 1:28:33.439
<v Speaker 1>like that I can't think of another movie she's like

1:28:33.479 --> 1:28:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the lead of She's in a lot of stuff, but yeah,

1:28:36.920 --> 1:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>I feel like she's rarely the sta Anyways, I like her.

1:28:40.960 --> 1:28:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I like this movie. It passes the Bechdel test, yeah, sparingly,

1:28:44.520 --> 1:28:45.360
<v Speaker 1>but it does.

1:28:45.479 --> 1:28:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Not very much. There are a couple conversations between Grace

1:28:50.400 --> 1:28:55.600
<v Speaker 3>and Becky, who's Alex's mom aka Andy McDowell. Those conversations

1:28:55.640 --> 1:28:57.840
<v Speaker 3>are almost always about Alex, I think, so I don't

1:28:57.840 --> 1:28:59.120
<v Speaker 3>know if those count, but.

1:28:59.320 --> 1:29:03.439
<v Speaker 1>They were like two line it was. It was minimal.

1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:09.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I'm inclined to be like the whole thing

1:29:09.320 --> 1:29:12.400
<v Speaker 3>is pretty much about Alex. But Grace and Emily talk

1:29:12.439 --> 1:29:16.000
<v Speaker 3>about Grace's wedding dress and how Emily has been stalking

1:29:16.040 --> 1:29:20.639
<v Speaker 3>Grace on Instagram, and so that passes.

1:29:20.479 --> 1:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Stalking another woman on Instagram. Yeah, that does pass the

1:29:24.680 --> 1:29:27.439
<v Speaker 1>bactyl test. I do it every day.

1:29:27.600 --> 1:29:29.559
<v Speaker 3>Well, you don't have to stalk me, Jamie.

1:29:29.600 --> 1:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm right here, Sorry, I'm doing it anyway. Called one one.

1:29:35.680 --> 1:29:38.759
<v Speaker 3>I won't be stopped, Okay, And I contend that Grace

1:29:39.000 --> 1:29:41.439
<v Speaker 3>talking to herself does pass the Bechdel test.

1:29:42.120 --> 1:29:45.280
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I guess, well, I mean, and I can

1:29:45.320 --> 1:29:50.040
<v Speaker 1>find passing the Bechel test to be annoying. So yeah,

1:29:50.120 --> 1:29:51.639
<v Speaker 1>I think it does like it does, and I think

1:29:51.680 --> 1:29:54.960
<v Speaker 1>spiritually it does. But there were more opportunities, like we're

1:29:54.960 --> 1:29:56.840
<v Speaker 1>talking about, like, so let's let's I mean, well, let's

1:29:56.840 --> 1:29:59.799
<v Speaker 1>get into the true metric, the one true metric.

1:30:00.520 --> 1:30:05.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, nipple scale wise, I would give this movey. I

1:30:05.920 --> 1:30:08.519
<v Speaker 3>will go like three, I think, yeah, maybe even three

1:30:08.520 --> 1:30:12.720
<v Speaker 3>and a half, somewhere in that range. I do appreciate

1:30:12.800 --> 1:30:19.479
<v Speaker 3>the commentary on rich people are scary and isn't it

1:30:19.520 --> 1:30:23.560
<v Speaker 3>fun to see them explode? I appreciate the way that

1:30:24.080 --> 1:30:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Grace is written, especially compared to so many other women

1:30:30.080 --> 1:30:34.280
<v Speaker 3>in horror movies that are written by men and men

1:30:34.400 --> 1:30:40.160
<v Speaker 3>just having a fundamental misunderstanding of how women move through

1:30:40.200 --> 1:30:44.400
<v Speaker 3>the world, what motivates their choices, etc. This movie didn't

1:30:44.479 --> 1:30:47.840
<v Speaker 3>really do that, so I appreciate it. It is a

1:30:48.000 --> 1:30:53.920
<v Speaker 3>very white movie based on just the premise that is

1:30:53.960 --> 1:30:57.320
<v Speaker 3>put forth, but that doesn't mean there weren't other opportunities

1:30:57.360 --> 1:31:00.719
<v Speaker 3>to be more inclusive. Again, there was, oh, a woman

1:31:00.760 --> 1:31:05.040
<v Speaker 3>of color as one of the housekeepers, and she didn't

1:31:05.080 --> 1:31:08.720
<v Speaker 3>have any lines. She It just like pans to her

1:31:08.920 --> 1:31:12.519
<v Speaker 3>as she's being brutally killed, and then that's all we

1:31:12.600 --> 1:31:13.120
<v Speaker 3>get from her.

1:31:13.320 --> 1:31:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I mean I think that and that that

1:31:15.240 --> 1:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>applies to race, class, like everything. There there were opportunities,

1:31:20.240 --> 1:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, they just needed to be centered on these

1:31:23.800 --> 1:31:28.320
<v Speaker 1>rich white brothers. Yes, more interesting opportunities were afoot.

1:31:28.080 --> 1:31:32.639
<v Speaker 3>But truly so, I'll give it three point twenty five

1:31:33.040 --> 1:31:39.320
<v Speaker 3>nipples and hopefully this kind of paves the way for

1:31:40.479 --> 1:31:44.320
<v Speaker 3>a little like for more kind of like nuanced examinations

1:31:44.360 --> 1:31:46.880
<v Speaker 3>of like taking down the rich. This is a very

1:31:46.920 --> 1:31:50.120
<v Speaker 3>fun one. This is a very heightened, silly version of

1:31:50.160 --> 1:31:52.800
<v Speaker 3>that story. But I also feel like it missed some

1:31:53.680 --> 1:31:58.960
<v Speaker 3>opportunities either way, three point two five nipples, and I'll

1:31:58.960 --> 1:32:02.000
<v Speaker 3>give one to Tomorrow. I'll give one to Hugo Weaving.

1:32:03.520 --> 1:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Awesome.

1:32:04.600 --> 1:32:09.880
<v Speaker 3>And then I'll give one nipple to the actor who

1:32:09.920 --> 1:32:15.479
<v Speaker 3>plays Tina the housekeeper, who's the woman of color who

1:32:15.600 --> 1:32:19.040
<v Speaker 3>doesn't get any lines or I think a name that

1:32:19.080 --> 1:32:22.160
<v Speaker 3>we hear on screen. The actor's name is Selene Cy.

1:32:22.960 --> 1:32:25.240
<v Speaker 3>So I'm giving one nipple to her, and I'll give

1:32:25.280 --> 1:32:33.320
<v Speaker 3>my one quarter nipple to mister Labail the devil. I

1:32:33.360 --> 1:32:37.360
<v Speaker 3>love mister Labail slash Jigsaw. It should have been Jigsaw.

1:32:37.520 --> 1:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do it. So I'll keep your short

1:32:39.200 --> 1:32:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and see, I'm giving it three nipples there, I'll go

1:32:41.360 --> 1:32:44.640
<v Speaker 1>in to Jigsaw. Okay, I think, yeah, this is a

1:32:44.680 --> 1:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>fun movie that uh I think maybe like a little

1:32:49.400 --> 1:32:54.639
<v Speaker 1>of my own, like you know in twenty nineteen Big

1:32:54.720 --> 1:32:59.240
<v Speaker 1>Dress Conference Shoes, really come on, be serious, serious, you know,

1:32:59.360 --> 1:33:02.599
<v Speaker 1>it's just really it feels like was this movie produced

1:33:02.640 --> 1:33:06.320
<v Speaker 1>by a man named Trip and someone from the Vanderbilt family,

1:33:06.320 --> 1:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>which is another thing we talk about all the time

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<v Speaker 1>where you're like, oh, interesting that a literal Vanderbilt is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>the rich people are bad. Movie am I right, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>like we're all hanging out here. Shut up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like fuck shut up anyway. Yeah, I just think it's

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<v Speaker 1>fun that the producers of this name were named Trip, James, Vanderbilt,

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<v Speaker 1>William and Brad, Like, come on, you know it's written.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. The movie is written by a guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Named Guy and I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Really turning on everyone at the end, and was directed

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<v Speaker 1>by a ska musician. And and do I like the movie, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>But do I think that it like outside of its

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<v Speaker 1>female protagonist. I think that this is like a thing

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of male writers and filmmakers tend to do,

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<v Speaker 1>is like I'm gonna get one woman character right, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the rest may like you know, and on and

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<v Speaker 1>on and on. But if you're looking for a fun

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<v Speaker 1>slasher movie, holy shit, Like the end of this movie

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<v Speaker 1>makes any issue I had leading up well worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole family fucking explodes into a cloud of blood

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite kind of death. It's great, It's so silly, silly,

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<v Speaker 1>Billy's uh tomorrow weaving fun, three Nipples to Jigsaw, long

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<v Speaker 1>live ska music.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you can handle two women in

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<v Speaker 1>see Project Hill Mary and you can only handle Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>Gosling and a rock at this time. That is where

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