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Speaker 2: have individualism? The patriarchy Zephyn bast start changing with the

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Speaker 3: Hello Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 1: A listener, whoa we wi we woo, we are here.

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Speaker 3: This is uh Jamie and Caitlin, sorry and panicked.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, It's okay, and we are here unlocking an

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Speaker 1: episode of our Patreon aka Matreon, and we should say

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Speaker 1: Matreon formerly known as Patreon, quite frankly for your listening

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Speaker 1: pleasure this week to observe the release of Ready or

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Speaker 1: Not too, a movie that neither of us have seen

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Speaker 1: and neither of us can vouch for or argue against. True,

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Speaker 1: but we know that tomorrow Weaving is in it. And

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Speaker 1: I do like the internal logic of you thought she

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Speaker 1: was ready or not? What if two? I like there

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Speaker 1: like one woman? What about two? And honestly it's very

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Speaker 1: base logic, But I'm listening what if two women? Many

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Speaker 1: movies are not asking this question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ready or not? Two women?

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Speaker 1: Ready or not? Here's two women? I think that's maybe

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Speaker 1: supposed to be the horror element Ready or Not two

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Speaker 1: women in the movie. Wow yeah, so yeah, really impressive.

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Speaker 1: I mean and honestly, in the in the wave of

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Speaker 1: feminist backlash we're in right now, some people do need

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Speaker 1: the warning that there's going to be two women. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: hope you're ready for two women and don't blond white women.

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Speaker 1: So yes, yes, but but yeah, we're unlocking our episode

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Speaker 1: on Ready or Not one to observe Ready or Not

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Speaker 1: two a movie. By the way, I will be seeing it.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually pretty excited. Same. I hope it's good. I

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Speaker 1: love samaraw Weaving. I feel like she's very underrated.

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Speaker 3: Yeah she's she's good. I hope the movie's fun.

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Speaker 1: Or if I'm correct, Samara Waving she's Australian, right.

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Speaker 3: She is Australian. Yes, famously.

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Speaker 1: That was definitely respectful what I just did, Samara Waving,

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Speaker 1: she would love that I did that. Tony, all kinds

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Speaker 1: of women are from there. Jacob BELORDI shakeup BELORDI, he's

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Speaker 1: for the girls. I think I don't know who. Well,

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Speaker 1: I just I just said that I have no idea

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Speaker 1: he's worked with a woman that we know he's met

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Speaker 3: Sure has he's met at least one woman and that

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Speaker 3: makes him a feminist.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, really, cast, by the way, it so is, Hope

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of every episode at this point, Hope

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Speaker 1: this isn't your first episode, but statistically it may very well. Maybe. Yeah, listen,

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Speaker 1: this is the Bechdel Test. Nope, cast, Nope, this is

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. If this is your first episode, welcome

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow Weaving, And this is our podcast where we take

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Speaker 1: a look at your favorite movies using an intersectional feminist lens,

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Speaker 1: using the Bechdel Test as a jumping off point for discussion.

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Speaker 1: And we do not define the parameters of the Bechdel

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Speaker 1: Test in our Matreon episodes. So, Caitlin, what the hell

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Speaker 1: is it?

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Speaker 3: It is a media metric created by friend of the

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Speaker 3: pod Alison Bechdel, first appearing in her comic collection Dicks

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Speaker 3: to Watch out For in the eighties, and its origins,

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Speaker 3: we're more focused on, Hey, are there any queer women

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Speaker 1: And if there are queer women, are they actual characters?

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Speaker 3: In any case, the test has become more kind of

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Speaker 3: And is that conversation about something other than a man?

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Speaker 3: And ideally it's narratively meaningful and not just nothing dialogue.

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Speaker 1: Right, which is why we modified our version of the test.

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Speaker 1: And again that's not a criticism of our dear friend

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Speaker 1: Alison Bechdell. She wrote it as a joke, but for

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Speaker 1: our purposes, that's to avoid I think people who are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope that happens in the devil War's product too.

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Speaker 1: unlocking an episode from our Matreon from only two years ago.

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four called Wedding Webruary, in which our Matreon

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Speaker 1: that's how nonsensical the themes are. Madam Web was not

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Speaker 3: on Ready or Not one oh, there's only one woman.

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Speaker 1: In this one. Yeah, and the world wasn't ready.

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Speaker 1: Duddu do dude record scratch, Wait a second, something's not

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Speaker 1: quite right at this wedding. It's Satan's Satan's at the wedding.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I prefer Satan showing up to a wedding than

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Speaker 1: the good for her genre. No, no, I wonder if

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Speaker 1: You know what else falls into good? You're right, the

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Speaker 1: The end is a good for her. It's hannibalism good

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Speaker 1: Good for her. Jennifer's body. I think what would fall into.

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Speaker 1: like every genre, there's goods stay as bads.

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Speaker 1: Not shell Yes, please, after you, after you, after you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so we cut to thirty years later. It's the

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Speaker 3: In any case. Alex and Daniel, their brothers, they come

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Speaker 1: They're gamers. I love I loved the just like freezing

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Speaker 3: Jigsaw sitting in the chair or sitting on his tricycle.

431
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Speaker 1: If they would, I I feel like James Wan would

432
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: have been amenable. He'd be like, yeah, whatever you saw.

433
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: He seems like a really nice guy and he's isn't

434
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: James Wan Australian. I think so and so is Tomorrow

435
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: or earing I guess. I'm like, the directors are American.

436
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: I don't know where I was going with that, but

437
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: but he is in fact Australian and it's important to

438
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: talk about that.

439
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

440
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: Anyways, Jigsaw is you know, the the I kept calling

441
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: them like the little peepies because they kept forgetting their

442
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: last names. But like the Peepee family isn't on Jigsaw's level,

443
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: but they have. They've clearly seen Saw.

444
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 3: And they're like, how can we do that?

445
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? How could we get her to understand what she's

446
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: probably seen? Saw? One seems aw? Yeah yeah yeah, oh saw. Anyways, sorry,

447
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: back to this movie, right.

448
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: So the rest of the family gathers, including some people

449
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 3: we haven't met yet. That's Alex's sister Emily and her

450
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: husband Fitch. They also have a couple of young kids,

451
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 3: and everyone sits down to play the game and the

452
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 3: vibe is ominous, and then Alex's father launches into a

453
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: story about how the let's play a game tradition started

454
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 3: where his great grandfather, Victor Laudomas, met a man named

455
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 3: mister Label who had this like puzzle box thing.

456
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: He's literally jig. He's like Jigsaw.

457
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

458
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: I also just like, first of all, don't approach a

459
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 1: man with a puzzle box because he could be the

460
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: devil Tom Hanks. And the da Vinci code.

461
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 3: There, that too, that too, okay?

462
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: Anyways, the da Vinci code was Apple.

463
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 3: The Dvinci code was Apple also, okay, just because I

464
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 3: already mentioned it. But the night before I rewatched Ready

465
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: or Not to prep for this episode, I rewatched Dead

466
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: Reckoning Mission Impossible.

467
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: Oh yes, And I thought you were saying you rewatched

468
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: the DaVinci Code. I was like, are you okay? Should

469
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: we talk? Are you sick?

470
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 3: What if you found out that? I just watch it

471
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 3: for fun.

472
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: Sometimes, Hey, I can't hang out tonight watching angels and demons.

473
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: What are we gonna cover angels and demons?

474
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: Though?

475
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 3: All right? And so toward the beginning of Mission Impossible,

476
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: Dead Reckoning, there's this part where Simon Peg basically he's

477
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: like dismantling a bomb, but on the inside of the bomb,

478
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 3: it's like that cryptext thing where you have to like

479
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: scroll all the things, like good da Vinci code Apple thing?

480
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: Yeah? Was it Apple?

481
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 3: It wasn't Apple, but it should have.

482
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: Been yeah, exactly. Never ah man, I just love that

483
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: there was a time that a scary book gripped the nation.

484
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: But the Da Vinci code was an apple, I you know,

485
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: long lived. The lowest common denominator in rocks is awesome.

486
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 3: Awesome anyway.

487
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: So they're no Jigsaw, but they're you know, they're doing

488
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: their best. They're trying to evoke Jigsaw. Yeah.

489
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: So there's this puzzle box thing, and if Victor Laudomas

490
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 3: can solve the box, mister Label will give him money

491
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: to fund any venture. And Victor solves the puzzle box,

492
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: which is how he was able to launch his card

493
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: game business, which turned into a board game business. Now

494
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: the family owns sports teams. I guess you can become

495
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: billionaires with a gaming company.

496
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: Sure, I don't know. I mean I think I'm thinking

497
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: more of like toy novelty stuff. You definitely can, yeah,

498
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: I mean, look at mister Beattie Babies. He owns the

499
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: Four Seasons well, and he almost went to jail. I mean, wow,

500
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: I know someone read specscript about the Beanie Baby's guy

501
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: in Quarantine and if it was you and it was

502
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: me and and Caitlin, there is a whole ass movie

503
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: that they made that. I still haven't watched because I

504
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: resent it because al Gore's daughter wrote and directed it,

505
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I resent this nepotism at like

506
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: a cellular level. Sure, why does al Gore's daughter get

507
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: to make the Beanie Baby's movie?

508
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: I know, I'm sorry.

509
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: Mine was called mister Baby and it was good. No

510
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: one understands me anyway.

511
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: Okay, so we get this explanation of why they play

512
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: this game, and so they honor this whatever mister LaBelle

513
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: slash great grandfather agreement by playing a game.

514
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's Jigsaw, He's Jigsaw.

515
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: As per tradition, whenever a new person joins the f

516
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 3: a blank card is inserted into the puzzle box and

517
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: then it randomly selects and prints the name of that

518
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: game onto the blank card. So it could be Chest Checkers,

519
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: Old Maid or Hide and Seek, which is the game

520
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: that gets printed on Grace's card. And when they see that,

521
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: everyone has a very like oh shit reaction, and Grace

522
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: is like, tih, what's going on?

523
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: She is like, Grace is, let me know if this

524
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: resonated for you. She feels like a Joss Whedon character

525
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: to me, where like it's very Quippy's She's like, guys,

526
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: what the hell, Like, what the hell's going on here? Like,

527
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just felt very and I don't

528
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: even mean I mean, obviously we we've covered the Josh

529
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: Whedon issue. That's not even what I'm suggesting. I just

530
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: it just felt like she's Joss Whedon code it down to,

531
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: like the the con verses and the like saying fucking

532
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: he fuck, fuck dick ball bluh, blu bluh. But it

533
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: just felt very Joss Whedon codd.

534
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see that, but I think that that's just

535
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,479
Speaker 3: like part of a larger like men who want to

536
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: write women in a way where they're like bad asses,

537
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: but they don't actually really know how to write women's

538
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 3: So we just keep getting this version of women over

539
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: and over.

540
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: Yes, and there's a few versions. There were a few

541
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: instances where it really stuck out to me where it

542
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, the movie came out in

543
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, but you're like, this feels dated. Like at

544
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: one point, the sister just yells cock, where's my gun?

545
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, who says that? Who says? What are you

546
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: talking about? Anyways, it's not even a criticism I'm just like,

547
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: women aren't yelling cock Like, they're just not doing that.

548
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: Speak for yourself.

549
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: I just like, I've never heard that as an exclamatory.

550
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: It was very jarring. Yeah, you'd say like fuck or shit, right,

551
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: which plenty of characters do. But she she and it

552
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: sounds like I don't know. I had this whole fantasy

553
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: where like the actress was like, can I say anything else?

554
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: And they're like, no, no, no, this makes sense. Please

555
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: say the word as scripted and cock, where's my gun?

556
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: All right? Whatever?

557
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: Sure? Okay. So the point is Grace's card gets Hide

558
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: and Seek printed on it, and we're like, wait a minute.

559
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: Wasn't Hide and Seek the game that they were playing

560
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: at the beginning where that guy was violently dragged away

561
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 3: and it was all very scary. So Grace has till

562
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: the count of one hundred slash the length of a

563
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: creepy hide and Seek song to hide somewhere in the

564
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: house and then the family will try to find her,

565
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: and that's all that's explained to her. So she goes

566
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: and she hides in a dumb waiter for a little while.

567
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: She's quipping in there. She's like, what I do my

568
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: random wedding night. I guess I'm just in a dumb waiter.

569
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: Joss Whedon coded And here's.

570
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: Here's my question, though. Does it pass the Bechdel test

571
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: when she talks to herself on multiple occasions throughout the movie? No, no,

572
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 3: but she's kind of responding. She's asking herself questions. She

573
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: is and then she's responding.

574
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we can't say that. You know, Grace is

575
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: not a very active character. That's I certainly wouldn't suggest it.

576
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I think it passes it

577
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: at a few other points anyways, But like, I don't know,

578
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: I just kept thinking. I just kept writing down Joss Whedon.

579
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: Woman quipping to herself alone in a room like it's it.

580
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: It evokes in early twenty tens energy.

581
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, why did she keep talking to herself?

582
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: Maybe people do that, I docare well, when you find

583
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: out that one.

584
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: Of the directors is the co founder of like a

585
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: SKA band, You're like, more of these choices are kind

586
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: of making sense to me in a way that is harmless,

587
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: Like no shade to actually I am a fan of

588
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: a local sco thing.

589
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember when you were like, I'm gonna buy

590
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 3: a trombone and get into ska.

591
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, I'm like down to skank at

592
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: the SKA show. But when you're like, yes, I believe

593
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: that this movie was co directed by a SKA guy.

594
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

595
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: No, I see it.

596
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: I feel like there, I mean, no one is skanking,

597
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: but like.

598
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 3: The energy is that yeah a bit anyway? All right, Okay,

599
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 3: so she's hiding. Meanwhile, each member of the family grabs

600
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: an old timey weapon because they play the game exactly

601
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: how it would have been played in great grandfather's time.

602
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 3: The only person who doesn't grab a weapon is Alex

603
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 3: because he's upset and he doesn't want anything to happen

604
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 3: to his wife.

605
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: I think it's so interesting or I guess. One of

606
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: the less effective things for this movie for me was

607
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: like how long the movie is using production elements to

608
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: try to get you to like sort of stay on

609
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: Alex's side, where it's so obvious that he's like, I mean,

610
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: he's bad, and I feel like she is like kind

611
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: of responding to him in that way. But sometimes the

612
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: music will come in where he's like, Babe, you don't

613
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: understand it had to be like this, And then there's like, dude, ude, dude,

614
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: and you're just like you think I'm gonna fall for this. Yeah,

615
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, I know.

616
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: Okay. So Alex is upset about this whole thing, and

617
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: he sneaks off to find Grace and tell her exactly

618
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 3: what's going on. But before he can get the words out,

619
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 3: Grace sees firsthand what this is all about because Emily,

620
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: Alex's sister, who is like super coked out on drugs.

621
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, she like drinks a pint of cocaine somehow.

622
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: Yes, So she acts a dundley shoots one of the

623
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: housekeepers thinking she's Grace, and other family members come in

624
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 3: and they say something about a ritual, but it won't

625
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: count because the person who dies has to be the bride,

626
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 3: and then they take the housekeeper's body away, and Grace

627
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: has overheard all of this, so she's like, oh my god,

628
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,479
Speaker 3: what the fuck is happening? And Alex explains that hide

629
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: and Seek is the one bad card and the family

630
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: has to play the game and they think that if

631
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 3: they don't kill Grace by sunrise that they will all

632
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: die because of some curse or something.

633
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: I've got to say, I like jig saws reasoning for

634
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: doing it better. Jessa is not responding to an ancient curse.

635
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: He's like, I heard that you were late feeding your

636
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: dog dinner. Now you're gonna eat five thousand pounds of

637
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: dog food in the acts two minutes, I'll drawing quarter

638
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: you and you're just like, there's not I just love

639
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: how petty he is. Anyway. I think I just want

640
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: to watch Saw again. Yeah, I'm like, Jigsaw, this is

641
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: literally none of your business. It's so wild that you're

642
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: inserting yourself.

643
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: He really does not have, I would say, a strong motivation.

644
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: A lot of the time this family is you know,

645
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: you can't empathize with their motivation, but they are motivated.

646
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 3: Jigsaw's just sort of like I just felt like it.

647
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: Right, which is like, I mean, he is pretty strongly

648
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: motivated by feeling like it. Like you can't you can't

649
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: say that he's phoning it in at any point. He's like,

650
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, renting warehouses and so forth.

651
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 3: He's putting in the work.

652
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: I love him. God, what an angel. I love him.

653
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: He did what he had to do. Okay. Sorry.

654
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: So Race learns all of this stuff, and she's furious

655
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: that Alex knew this was a possibility and he didn't

656
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: warn her, and he's like, yeah, oops, but let's get

657
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 3: you out of here. So he tells her to go

658
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 3: to the kitchen while he goes to the security room

659
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 3: to unlock all the doors so she can escape through

660
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: this like surface kitchen exit. And so she sets off

661
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 3: toward the kitchen. She rips off part of her wedding

662
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: dress and we're like, wow, girl power, and she's like

663
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: making her way to where she needs to go. She

664
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: has some close encounters with the family along the way,

665
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: including with Alex's brother Daniel, who doesn't seem interested in

666
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: killing her, and he gives her a chance to get away.

667
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's Adam Brody ing.

668
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he is.

669
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: Like and Adam Brody as himself where he's just like

670
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: got a glass of scotch and he's like vaguely nihilistic

671
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: and like someone needs to towel him off. Yeah, but

672
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: he's hot, But yeah, what is that?

673
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

674
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: Why can men be a hot when it seems like

675
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: they need to be toweled off? I mean, I don't know.

676
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's just me. Maybe it's just me.

677
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 3: I do I like Adam Brody, I hope he's not

678
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: a bad person, irl, because I enjoy him on screen. Meanwhile,

679
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 3: Emily accidentally kills another housekeeper and the family is freaking

680
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 3: out because they haven't found Grace yet, and they're like,

681
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: how is she outsmarting us in our own house. Meanwhile,

682
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 3: Grace manages to get her hands on a gun and AMMO,

683
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: and then she finally reaches the kitchen, but Steven's the butler,

684
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: is there, so she has a scuffle with him. The

685
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: AMMO turns out to be display only, so she can't

686
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: shoot him, but she smashes a bottle of boiling water

687
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: into his face and then run away. In the security room,

688
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: Alex manages to get the doors unlocked, but then his

689
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: father comes in and knocks Alex out and then handcuffs

690
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: him to a bedpost. This is also where we get

691
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 3: the reveal that Aunt Helene is the young woman from

692
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: the beginning whose husband got killed in that game of

693
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: hide and seek, and we're like.

694
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was born Yester put that together? Oh, is

695
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: the is the boy in the cabinet the husband?

696
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 3: But her husband being killed as a part of the

697
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 3: family tradition seems to have radicalized her in the direction

698
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: of yes. This family tradition is very important and it's

699
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 3: actually good actually, so she's like really into it. Yeah,

700
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: sure it makes sense anyway, So Grace finds her way outside,

701
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 3: but someone is out there with a flashlight looking for her.

702
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: So she hides in this stable where all of the

703
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 3: goats live, and I'm like, okay, black Philip.

704
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: Yes are you there? Good for her cinema Also a

705
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: through line of goats, Satanic goats.

706
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: I mean, Satan is in the Vivich Satan is in

707
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 3: Retty or not? There's goats.

708
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: Why is no one talking about this? I know? Oh

709
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: oh sorry? End of Midsummer another good for her shot. Yeah,

710
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: the smile. Yes, they'll keep coming, they'll keep coming.

711
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: Her cigarette is her big flower crown slash.

712
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: She's surrounded by the cigarette.

713
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 3: Okay, so she's with the goats and then the person

714
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 3: finds her and it turns out to be one of

715
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: the little kids. His name's Georgie, and he shoots Grace

716
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: in the hand with the gun that he found that

717
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: his coked out mother dropped. So he's a bad boy, yes,

718
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: And Grace falls into this pit of dead bodies from

719
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: previous sacrifice, so she manages to crawl her way out

720
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: of the pit and she's running and she reaches this

721
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 3: iron fence that she squeezes through, but Steven's, the butler,

722
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: catches up with her in a car. They scuffle again,

723
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: but Grace manages to get in the car and she

724
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: drives off, and the car has one of those buttons

725
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: where you can like push shit and it dials nine

726
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: to one one. So she hits the button and talks

727
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: to the operator and he's like, oh, actually this car

728
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: was reported stolen, so I have to shut it down.

729
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: So the car stops. She gets stuck again. She can't

730
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: go anywhere, and then the butler appears and shoots her

731
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: with a tranquilizer gun. She wakes up while he's driving

732
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: back to the house and she kicks Steven's in the

733
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 3: head and he wrecks the car. She tries to escape again,

734
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 3: but then Daniel is right there. He knocks her out,

735
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: and then Grace is brought to the house and the

736
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 3: family prepares her for a ritual where they will offer

737
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 3: Grace up as a human sacrifice, and they're drinking from

738
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 3: a goblet, which turns out Daniel has poisoned because he

739
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 3: has a change of heart and he wants to try

740
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: to help Grace.

741
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: Yay Adam Brodie fun. I mean I wish he had,

742
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, wish he had turned a little sooner, but yeah.

743
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: That would have been helpful. But yeah, the family is

744
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 3: like puking up blood and it gives her a chance

745
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 3: to run away. But then Daniel's wife, Charity is like

746
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: stop right there, and she shoots and kills her husband.

747
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: Right, which is I mean, he was bad to her,

748
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: but for sure, you know, like he you know, I was.

749
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: I was mixed on that where I was like, well,

750
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: I guess we as the audience are like Daniel's the

751
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: best person in the family that we know, but also

752
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: it sounded like he was very absent and very dismissive

753
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: and like didn't like her very much. True, and like

754
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: I've also it's like what did they did? They just

755
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: like played Jenga on their wedding night, Like she just

756
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: drew a good card and they're like we're playing GoFish. Ye.

757
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, seems to be the case because there's a scene

758
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 3: early on when the other like people who've married into

759
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: the family were like I played old Maid.

760
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah I liked. I liked who's like the fitch Fitch?

761
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean he is very much the comic relief character.

762
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: But I've liked a lot of those jokes when he

763
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: was replying, I remember this from the trailer, when he's

764
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: like that family shit, when people are like, what are

765
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: you up to?

766
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: Ch It's good he's youtubeing how to use a crossbow,

767
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: et cetera, pro Fitch.

768
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: I liked the Fitch jokes for the most part.

769
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Daniel has helped Grace escape and but like

770
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: everyone's coming after them. Meanwhile, Alex has used the chain

771
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: of his handcuffs to all through the bedpost. I don't

772
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: understand the physics of that, but it works.

773
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: I was just like the power of Satan compelled him. Whatever.

774
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: Sure, the point is he's free. Now we cut back

775
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 3: to Grace. The rest of the family's trying to stop her.

776
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 3: She's fighting them off, and then she kills Alex's mom,

777
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: and right then Alex comes in and he doesn't like

778
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: that his wife killed his mom. So he has a

779
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: change of heart in the other direction, his mommy. He

780
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: has a change of heart in the other direction, and

781
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: Alex wants Grace to be sacrificed, and so the family

782
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 3: grabs hold of her again. They pin her down. They're

783
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: about to do the ritual. They're all like Heil Satan

784
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 3: because turns out mister Labail is the devil. But Grace

785
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: gets free just as the sun rises, and so they're like,

786
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 3: oh my god, we're gonna die. But it seems like

787
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: nothing is going to happen at first, and then they

788
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: all explode into blood because you know, they didn't fulfill

789
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: their end of the bargain and kill her before sunrise.

790
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: That is so satisfying. It was truly excellent to just

791
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: watch Aunt Helen be like, ah, right, I'll do it

792
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's great, and I like that. I

793
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: mean just the little I mean they're not little, they're

794
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: really broad jokes. But where they the filmmakers decided we're

795
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: not gonna make you watch three kids explode. But then

796
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: they leave the room and then you just hear like

797
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: you're like, whoop. It is very funny. This movie is

798
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: silly billy.

799
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: It is yeah, it's true. Okay, so all the family explodes,

800
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 3: Grace steps out into the daylight. She's finally safe. The

801
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: house is burning down behind her as emergency responders show up,

802
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 3: and then the movie ends with one of them being like,

803
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: what happened to you, and she's like in laws the.

804
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: End, and then we're like, okay, good for herson.

805
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 3: Okay, where shall we start?

806
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: Oh, let's start with I mean, well, I guess just

807
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: a quick rundown of who made this movie? I guess. Yeah,

808
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: I already kind of blew the sco thing. Sorry. This

809
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: movie is written and directed by men, which, while I

810
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: really like this movie, feels was deeply unsurprising.

811
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

812
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: So we have a directing pair Matt Bett Nelly Open,

813
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: that's mister Scotty, and then Tyler Gillett. As far as

814
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: I can tell, he was able to avoid SKA I see.

815
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: But they are most I think they first popped off

816
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: for the movie VHS, which I saw in college. Well

817
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: or they like directed a segment of the movie VHS. Yeah,

818
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: and they are now most famous for the new Scream movies.

819
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: Got it?

820
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: They directed, Yeah, Scream five and Scream six and didn't

821
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: support Melissa Barrera. And that's interesting, isn't it? But those

822
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: are those are the directors. So we have a pair

823
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: of like horror guys essentially, and I think that honestly,

824
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be I'm guessing that they got Scream off

825
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: of this movie, which makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, yeah,

826
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: And it was written by a writer named ur Christopher Murphy,

827
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: who I didn't I wasn't able to find anything out about.

828
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: Guy Busic, you know, also just kind of works with

829
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: these guys and worked on a comedy horror series right

830
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: before this movie came out called stand Against Evil that

831
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: I watched. It was a fun show and also so

832
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: very like I love Janet Varney. Anyways. So that's the

833
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: team we're working with here, a very hot horror comedy

834
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: literate team, but a very male team. And we are

835
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: centering a woman, and that's gonna go a whole lot

836
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: of ways historically. And here let's talk about Grace.

837
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 3: Yes. So, something that I've talked about at length on

838
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 3: the show is the way that women tend to be

839
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: written in horror thriller movies, especially ones written by men.

840
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 3: Tend to manifest in a few different ways, most of

841
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: them hit me, hit me, hit me, robbed me the

842
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 3: wrong way. One that we talked about a lot, for

843
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 3: example on the iconic Human Centipede episode who as well

844
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: as others.

845
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: Who could forget our very first hilarious prank.

846
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that one is one where women are written

847
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 3: in such a way where they seem generally unaware of

848
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: the danger around them. They're overly trusting, they're not cautious,

849
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 3: even though they've been given many, many reasons that they

850
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 3: should be cautious of what's going on. And it just

851
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: tends to ignore the fact that the world is a

852
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 3: dangerous place for fem presenting people, and many of us

853
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 3: are like kind of living constantly on edge, especially if

854
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: we're you know, like going into a stranger's house, right,

855
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: who is gonna sew you into a human centipede? So

856
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 3: a lot of those female characters written by men ignore

857
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 3: the level of like caution, yeah, hyper awareness, that's one thing,

858
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: and or they're written to be just like unreasonable. They'll

859
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 3: just make unreasonable choices that sort of go against any

860
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 3: survival instincts or just anything like that, just like making

861
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: choices that don't make sense.

862
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: Or like observed. I can't think of like a strong

863
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: example of this, but sometimes it feels like there's because

864
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't even think that it like you know, comes

865
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: from a misogynist place, but it does come from like, Okay,

866
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: so you have observed women navigating in the world, and

867
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: you've just like misunderstood, Sure, why they're doing what they're doing,

868
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: and you're like prescribing it in this way that is

869
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: just not It's not how it goes, right.

870
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: So my point here being that I feel like, for

871
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 3: the most part, Grace is not written that way in

872
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 3: this movie. I agree, Yeah, you know, she has no

873
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: reason to be that suspicious aside from just like being

874
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 3: among rich people, which you know would probably put a

875
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 3: lot of people on edge. But at first she's given

876
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 3: specific reason that she thinks she, you know, will be

877
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 3: in danger.

878
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: And I like that they plant like that. This is

879
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: kind of a whirlwooden romance. She doesn't really know the family,

880
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: like right, it felt like everything was kind of planted.

881
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: The only thing that truly I mean, maybe this is

882
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: just like some old money shit that I didn't have.

883
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: I was like, why are they like they're supposed to

884
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: be having sex on their wedding night?

885
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they try to, but you.

886
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: Know, but I wouldn't want my like mom quite so nearby,

887
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, right. Anyways, whatever, maybe maybe rich people watch

888
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: their kids consulmate their marriage. I don't know who can say.

889
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know a thing.

890
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,479
Speaker 3: I wouldn't know. But the point is that as soon

891
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 3: as danger rears its ugly head. Grace is hyper aware

892
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 3: of it. She responds reasonably, and for the rest of

893
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 3: the movie she is making choices that track with what's

894
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 3: going on there. There are a few examples where I'm like, Okay,

895
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 3: why didn't you pick up the gun that got dropped

896
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 3: right beside you. Why didn't you run over Stevens the butler?

897
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 3: You didn't kill him. He's trying to kill you. The

898
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 3: whole family's trying to kill you. Make sure he's dead

899
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 3: before you run away, right, things like that that.

900
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I wish totally. But then also

901
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: I was like, well, this is her first go I

902
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: kept being like, well, it is her first go round

903
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: being haunted. True fair as far as we know, because

904
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: we I mean, I think that it is interesting and

905
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: usually I'm more sensitive to this. We know basically nothing

906
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: about her, yeah, other than she was raised without a

907
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: lot of money. She was raised by a foster family

908
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: that she loved. But I feel like it is like

909
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: the undertone of that suggests in a way that I

910
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: don't think is you know, fair and the foster like

911
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: the issue of foster families is so rarely discussed at

912
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: all in movies, but it feels it feels like, oh, baby,

913
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: she is excited to be, you know, brought into family

914
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: and then quickly is like, oh, they fucking suck never mind,

915
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: but yeah, exactly Like I like that we get those

916
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: details about her, and it's not like we know too

917
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: much more about the rest of the family other than

918
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: like jig Saw is going to kill them, like you know,

919
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: and the incident that we see at the beginning, but

920
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: we don't know really extreme amounts about any character, which

921
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: in an ensemble like horror comedy, I'm fine with the

922
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: thing that I was most like eager to see play

923
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: out that I was like, ooh, how are they going

924
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: to stick the landing on this? But I think that

925
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: I've only seen Scream five five Cream as it was

926
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: as it was stylized. But I feel like, I mean,

927
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: that's like literally this exact same team, and I felt

928
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: like that was done pretty well too, where I understand

929
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: why Grace wants to give Alex a chance to help

930
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: her at first because he is literally her only ally,

931
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: but I feel like the moment that she bails him

932
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: and the moment she has information that is like, I

933
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: have no allies except maybe Daniel it's good. I feel

934
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: like a lesser movie would be like, but I love him,

935
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: I have to trust him, and she has at that moment.

936
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: But I think that that made sense and was earned.

937
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: But once she realizes she can't trust him, like she's

938
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: out right.

939
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 3: Especially there's a scene in like the Servant's Corridor or

940
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 3: whatever when she's like, what the fuck is going on?

941
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 3: He's explaining the situation to her and she's like, you

942
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 3: didn't warn me, like you knew that this was a possibility,

943
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 3: and right, you didn't tell me any of this. And

944
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: he's like, well, you were the one who wanted to

945
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 3: get married. And then she immediately pushes back and she's like, oh,

946
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 3: so this is my fault. And so I like that,

947
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 3: you know, she's pushing back, and that was like, to me,

948
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 3: a clue or like kind of like a bit of

949
00:55:54,680 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 3: foreshadowing that he isn't the ally that he's seems to be,

950
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 3: or that he'll he has the capacity to, you know,

951
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 3: turn to the dark side kind of thing. Yeah. I

952
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 3: just appreciate the way that she's written in general. But

953
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 3: the other thing, the other thing you'll see for men

954
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 3: writing female characters in horror movies is that women characters

955
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 3: will be written to avoid violence or even though someone's

956
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 3: trying to kill you, oh, I'm going to take the

957
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 3: upper hand and not kill the bad guy who's killing me.

958
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: The most recent example I could think of was is

959
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: going to see Phantom of the Opera brag in theaters

960
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: freg again brag Yeah, And how you know the peak

961
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: of that is like, you know, like she kisses the

962
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: Phantom instead of murdering him, which would be reasonable, right,

963
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: And where it's like, yeah, like there's expected You're supposed

964
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: to show a moment of like a woman's secret weapon

965
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: is empathy, which can be true, but so can murder, Like,

966
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, let's keep our options open.

967
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 3: It depends on the situation, so right, And this is

968
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 3: not even true across the board for her character, because

969
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 3: she does attempt to kill people. She does kill Alex's mom,

970
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: she does punch a child who had just shot her.

971
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 3: But I feel like the movie isn't very consistent with

972
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 3: how it handles that with her character because the moment

973
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 3: where like she gets in the car she has the

974
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 3: opportunity to run the butler.

975
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: Over, She's not gonna like rehabilitate him in this moment.

976
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 3: All she had to do was put her foot on

977
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 3: the gas pedal, but instead she puts the car in

978
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: reverse and then drives away without running him over.

979
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: So that I guess I as someone without a driver's license,

980
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I cannot comment on.

981
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 3: As someone who's had a driver's license for over twenty

982
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 3: years now brag. Wow, yeah, okay, okay. So I if

983
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 3: I was in that situation, because when I saw that

984
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 3: moment in theater.

985
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: It would be so you would rise to this occasion

986
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: like no other.

987
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. When I saw this in theaters,

988
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 3: I was so frustrated really by that specific moment of

989
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,959
Speaker 3: her not running him over, because I got.

990
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: To be honest, I would be dead. It didn't occur

991
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: to me, Oh.

992
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 3: My gosh, he's right there in front of the car.

993
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 3: He was just trying to kill her. She was trying

994
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: to kill him too, by like strangling him, and you know.

995
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: She's on FaceTime, which is like, well, oh well once

996
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: they get to the FaceTime thing. Yeah, I enjoyed that.

997
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 3: Right, and that all worked for me. But I was

998
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: just like, run him over. And this is maybe just

999
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 3: me fixating on a moment, but I also think that

1000
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 3: it's some little hint of men writing women in such

1001
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: a way where women are too polite and too pleasant

1002
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 3: and too delicate to do anything that might be considered

1003
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 3: like morally gray or even an act of self defense.

1004
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: But again, the movie doesn't do that with her entirely

1005
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 3: because can she punches a child and of course, like

1006
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 3: taken out of context, that's obviously a horrible thing to do.

1007
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 3: But I guess I just don't know why the movie

1008
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 3: isn't more consistent with Grace's character in that regard. But

1009
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 3: also I don't know, maybe I'm just being too hard

1010
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 3: on the writing and on that particular moment of the movie.

1011
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, but I think in general,

1012
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: like and again it's it's tricky to like, it's hard

1013
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: to not compare this to how poorly this is ordinarily done.

1014
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: So maybe like you know, there's always like certainly things

1015
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: could always be done better. I think again, taste wise, like,

1016
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: even though I liked a lot of the one off

1017
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: jokes in this, you know, it's just like a trope

1018
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: that I find kind of a little grading where it's

1019
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: like it just feels yeah, very Jossweed encoded in a

1020
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: way that I just don't care for, where it's like

1021
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: overly hippy, it's whatever I want to divorce, like whatever.

1022
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Not for me, that's not a gender thing,

1023
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: because certainly Adam Brody is equipping all over the place,

1024
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: everyone is at the Twilight coating of nice dress, Converse shoes.

1025
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: I could keep rattling off the ways in which this

1026
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: movie feels like it was almost certainly written in the

1027
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: early twenty tens, even though it was released in the

1028
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: late twenty tens. But that's not what this show is about.

1029
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: But I do feel absolutely certain that that's the case.

1030
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 3: Sure.

1031
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: In any case, I do like Grace, and I also

1032
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: think that, like Tomorrow, Weaving gives a great performance, like

1033
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: almost better than the movie deserves. She was in the

1034
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: trenches and you could feel it. You could feel it.

1035
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 3: Her uncle el Rond from Rivendale was like, tomorrow, here's

1036
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 3: how you act. And she's like, thanks, uncle.

1037
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: I got it. That's exactly how napotism works. Ye. Melanie

1038
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: Griffith like took Dakota Johnson aside. She's like, today is

1039
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: the day I teach you how to act?

1040
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 3: Well, Okay, hang on a second, now that you mentioned

1041
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 3: Dakota Johnson.

1042
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: Madam Webb, her Web connects them all. I think we're

1043
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: gonna I think I hope it's good and we can

1044
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: cover it on the show. I mean not good, but

1045
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: like good bad.

1046
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 3: Well, what I was going to say was, Okay, it's

1047
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 3: Wedding Webruary, Madam Webruary. Is that anything.

1048
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: Yes, we're going to release a third episode this month,

1049
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go see Madam web I'm gonna go

1050
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: see I'm gonna go see Madam Webb tomorrow alone or

1051
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: with people, doesn't really matter to me. If you if

1052
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: you're free tomorrow night, I was gonna go see Madam Webb.

1053
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 3: I might be, so I'll join you. I do have a.

1054
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: Want of spield Web.

1055
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, I have a whole spiel on Wedding Webruary,

1056
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 3: and just like wedding representation in this movie. I'll get

1057
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 3: to that in a second. But oh yes, because I

1058
01:01:56,120 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 3: was talking about her not killing the butler and she

1059
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 3: had a chance. I do want to talk about how

1060
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 3: all of the first people to die in this movie

1061
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 3: are the like, yes quote unquote help yes, the working

1062
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 3: class people.

1063
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: I have that note as well, and they're also given

1064
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: like they're all essentially the same character.

1065
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 3: Yes, no characterization, I mean the butler stands out because

1066
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 3: he's actually given lines and he's integrated into the plot

1067
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 3: quite a bit more. But there are three like maids

1068
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 3: slash housekeepers who are all just basically the same person.

1069
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 3: We don't know anything about them. They're the first three

1070
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 3: people to die. They all get accidentally killed by someone,

1071
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 3: so Emily the sister accidentally shoots the first housekeeper. We

1072
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 3: learn her name is Clara, and they're like she was

1073
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 3: our favorite.

1074
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: Right, which is a class I mean, I feel like

1075
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: they're trying to do a class thing there, but I

1076
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: just it didn't hit for me. And it also takes

1077
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: a very long time for a man to die in

1078
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: this movie.

1079
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 3: Yes, right, Yeah, the optics of a movie being about

1080
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 3: like taking down the rich, but the first three people

1081
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 3: to die are working class women.

1082
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: I felt this way. I mean, and I haven't. I

1083
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: only saw the menu, just the ones, so maybe I'm misremembering,

1084
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: but I remember feeling like that not like other girls'

1085
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: ness of the main character also sort of applied to

1086
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: her class, where like she is not like the other

1087
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: poor girls, like or not like the other poor people

1088
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: for reasons because she's the star of the movie. But yeah,

1089
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: it was interesting that like in a movie that has

1090
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: a clear vested interest in saying something about class, that

1091
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: the working class characters are picked off pretty abruptly, especially

1092
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: three you know, three women that well we learned I

1093
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: think their names, they're interchangeable, and yeah, and then you

1094
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: get Stevens, who I yes, you have more of him,

1095
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: he's the working class person that lives the longest. But yeah,

1096
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: I was, I was. I thought it was like kind

1097
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: of a miss and a missed opportunity to leave Grace

1098
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: entirely by herself, because that could have been an opportunity to, like,

1099
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, if we keep some of those characters in

1100
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: the mix, that's a chance for them to connect. That's

1101
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: a chance for her to like form an ally shop

1102
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: even if it doesn't work out, Like but I think

1103
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: it was. I don't remember the name of the last

1104
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: was it Dora? I believe Dora.

1105
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 3: And then there's a one in the middle who I

1106
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 3: think is the only person of color in the movie

1107
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 3: who's not like a background actor at the wedding. Yeah,

1108
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 3: she I don't even think has any lines, nor do

1109
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 3: I think we learn her name.

1110
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: She's credited as Tina, but I didn't remember hearing that either,

1111
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, we get those three housekeepers killed right away.

1112
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 3: And this is something I've talked a lot about recently too,

1113
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 3: that I and maybe there is truth to this, And

1114
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 3: I just don't know because I've never met anyone rich

1115
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 3: enough to have servants. So brave of me for that

1116
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 3: to be the case. But the characters who are like

1117
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 3: the servants to the rich people in movies are almost

1118
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 3: always written to be these like unwaveringly loyal employees to

1119
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 3: the rich families that they serve, even if the rich

1120
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 3: families are doing horrible things the way they're doing horrible

1121
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,479
Speaker 3: things in this movie. And I just I'm sure there's

1122
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 3: some sort of like aspect of the help being dehumanized

1123
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 3: in a way that it sort of conditions them to

1124
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 3: think that they have to be so loyal to the family.

1125
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's something there that I just don't have

1126
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 3: a full understanding of because I, again I don't know anyone,

1127
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 3: but like you're acting like I do, well, But I

1128
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 3: just like it's more just like, is there truth to

1129
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 3: this slash? Why are servant characters always written to be

1130
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,479
Speaker 3: this way? Because we were talking about this and like, yeah,

1131
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 3: I feel like we talked about this in the Beauty

1132
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 3: and the Beast episode, and we talked about this in

1133
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 3: the Haunted Mansion and what a Girl Wants and stuff.

1134
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: I think that there is most likely not true that

1135
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean, and even if there is, you know, like

1136
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: a long term loyalty to one's employer, it's certainly not

1137
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:31,479
Speaker 1: like one dimensional in this way. Like that's a complicated thing.

1138
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know, like there's still movies that are

1139
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: doing that where they're like our servants are like our family,

1140
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, but that's not true, like there's

1141
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: an exchange going on. But yeah, I don't know. I

1142
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: guess I would chalk that up to how every character

1143
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: in this movie is fairly one dimensional. But again, it's

1144
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: like if Grace is the only person Grace and Alex

1145
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: and Daniel are kind of the only characters that get

1146
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: a like shades of gray shown in their personality. Yeah,

1147
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: for what this movie is and what it seems to be.

1148
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: You know, however, Goofily trying to get at to knock

1149
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:19,439
Speaker 1: off our working class characters so quickly is ridiculous. It's

1150
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: like weird.

1151
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,959
Speaker 3: It just feels antithetical to what the movie's trying to say.

1152
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 3: I think what it would have worked better is if

1153
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 3: and if you have like one like hyper loyal servant

1154
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 3: character and that's Stevens, Like fine, but it would make

1155
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 3: more sense to me if the three working class servant

1156
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 3: women are like, fuck this family, I don't want to

1157
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 3: be complicit in the awful things they're doing, and they

1158
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 3: try to help Grace or.

1159
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: At least, yeah, some gradient among the three women, because

1160
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: like there are three people are gonna feel different about

1161
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: this situation. I think, yeah, Like I'm not bothered if

1162
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, because there's sometimes two the other direction where

1163
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: it's like all women are loyal to women, which is

1164
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: just demonstrably untrue. Sure one is like no, I'm saving

1165
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: my ass tonight, like best of luck to you, Grace,

1166
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, like another person that's like, let's work together,

1167
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: which probably would have been really helpful for Grace and

1168
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: clearly the servant because it did not work out for them.

1169
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, like if there was some I

1170
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: also just feel like that would have made the movie

1171
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: a little It would have resolved some of the like

1172
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: second act, like she's getting out of a lot of

1173
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of set pieces that she has

1174
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: to get her way through, which is great. But it

1175
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: would have been cool to have someone with her for

1176
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of even if they don't make it

1177
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: to the end, because she's the final girl and this

1178
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: movie is not trying to get around the final girl trope,

1179
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: like and that's fine, but yeah, it just why even

1180
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: have Like it just felt like the working class the

1181
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: three women specifically were put there for it to be

1182
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: shocking when they suddenly started dying, like that is sort

1183
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: of the only function they serve, and in a movie

1184
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: about class, that is like not a logical Like, that's

1185
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: not a thoughtful choice.

1186
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 3: Right, Instead, another pitch for a different way to handle

1187
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 3: it would be if you need bodies, bodies bodies to

1188
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 3: start dying in this movie, which stands a reason it's

1189
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 3: a horror thriller where violence is happening and you want

1190
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 3: to see people die along the way, just bring in

1191
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 3: more of the rich, bring in some cousins, bring in

1192
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 3: some other random family members who can be in on this,

1193
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 3: and then make them more minor characters who are the

1194
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 3: first ones to die. That would have worked better for

1195
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 3: me too. Yeah, anyway, so I guess it boils down

1196
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 3: to I appreciate that this movie's obvious agenda is like, yeah,

1197
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 3: rich people are scared and soul lists and they'll go

1198
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 3: to whatever lengths, whatever horrible lengths, to hold on to

1199
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 3: their wealth. And again, it's very cathartic to see them

1200
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 3: die at the end, and I'm glad that, like no

1201
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,799
Speaker 3: one was spared because they're all complicit to some degree.

1202
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: Yes, that was something that I was like, really, God,

1203
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: I hope that it's not the sort of thing where

1204
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: it's like there was one really good guy and you're like, no,

1205
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 1: there wasn't. Come on, yeah, be serious.

1206
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 3: The other spiel they have ties back to the theme

1207
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 3: of wedding webruary.

1208
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: Let's web it.

1209
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 3: Let's madam web this together. So most movies that feature

1210
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:51,799
Speaker 3: weddings frame a wedding frame the idea of people getting

1211
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 3: married as this amazing, celebratory thing that's so happy and

1212
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 3: nothing will ever go wrong. And this movie is more

1213
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:06,759
Speaker 3: of a kind of cautionary tale of having a wedding

1214
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 3: or of getting married, and a cautionary tale of how

1215
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 3: doing that significantly changes a person's circumstances, or can significantly

1216
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 3: change a person's circumstances. You know, you get you inherit,

1217
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 3: these in laws possibly and a dynamic can change in

1218
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 3: your relationship.

1219
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: Or that just like you could be marrying. I don't know.

1220
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess this comes up in movies, but

1221
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 1: not in wedding movies. We're at the air where it's

1222
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: like you married the wrong person and that's okay, you

1223
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: can get out of it, like that's you know, or

1224
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: I mean in Alex's case, it's like getting married does

1225
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: not fundamentally change what a piece of shit you are,

1226
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: Like right, you know, it's like not because yeah, I

1227
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: think that, Like you know, weddings and just married in

1228
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: general are often presented as this cure to a state

1229
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 1: of being whatever that is, and I feel like what

1230
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: that quote unquote means has changed over time, but still

1231
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: it's like, well, this will fix things and it never does,

1232
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: like it never that, you know, if you want to

1233
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: get married, get married, but like you're I feel like

1234
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: the successful a successful marriage indicates two people who know

1235
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: that they're going to be the same people after this day,

1236
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: and Alex is clearly I think Alex is getting married

1237
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 1: because he thinks that like she can fix him or whatever,

1238
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: and then once he realizes that he can't, he turns

1239
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: on her.

1240
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 3: Right, So yeah, speaking personally as someone who has very

1241
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 3: little interest in getting married, brag. I appreciate a movie

1242
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 3: that does present getting married as a cautionary tale. And

1243
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that everyone who gets married is going

1244
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 3: to have awful in laws who are going to try

1245
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 3: to kill you, but sometimes but it does.

1246
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 2: No.

1247
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: But a lot of.

1248
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 3: Movies just present and the concept of marriage in this

1249
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 3: very sanitized, fairy tale way without recognizing the effort it

1250
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 3: takes to maintain a marriage, or the compromises that come

1251
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 3: with getting married or anything like that. And I think

1252
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 3: there is a gendered aspect to that, because for sure,

1253
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 3: girls and women in particular are often sold the fairy

1254
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 3: tale of wedding and marriage, and they're kind of encouraged

1255
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 3: to have unrealistic expectations about it, Like fairy tales and

1256
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 3: brom comms and all those things are targeted toward a

1257
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 3: specific demographic because in so many societies throughout most of history,

1258
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 3: marriage is slash was a way to turn women into property.

1259
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 3: So you had to trick women into thinking that marriage

1260
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 3: was awesome actually.

1261
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: Exactly, that it's special, that it's like special and it's

1262
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: your day and like you are not big exchanged for goats,

1263
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: this is your like yeah, and that you get and

1264
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: and you know as time goes on, and that is

1265
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: although it's like still I don't know, like when my

1266
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: parents were married, it was only very recently that like

1267
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: my mom could get her own credit card, Like it

1268
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: is still like there's elements of that exchange that are

1269
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: present in marriage, but and and in different parts of

1270
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: the world it works differently more so or less so.

1271
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: But even in the places where that is not the

1272
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: case anymore, there's like this commercial aspect to it now

1273
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: and like where it's like you have to got I mean,

1274
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: how much did those twenty seven dresses cost her? Anyways? Uh,

1275
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: Like now it's like an event and it's I feel

1276
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: like where some of the thankfully some of the women

1277
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: as property has been lost legally over time, although that's

1278
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: being regressed as well. It's been replaced with this commercialism.

1279
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: And like you're saying, like selling the fantasy starting from

1280
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: when you're very young, yeah, and that fantasy is not

1281
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: sold to boys and men in the binary children's entertainment universe.

1282
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: I feel like you are sort of conditioned to be

1283
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,480
Speaker 1: like more like I am provider.

1284
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 3: I am like.

1285
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: There is still this ownership that comes with how men

1286
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: are conditioned to see hetero marriage right, and women it's

1287
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: like it's my big day and like whatever happens after today,

1288
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's I mean. But also, you

1289
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: know we talked about we we love to attend a wedding.

1290
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: We love to attend a wedding.

1291
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 3: Invite us to your weddings. Slash will officiate them.

1292
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: It's also yeah, I think it is like yeah, I

1293
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,719
Speaker 1: always say I agree with you. I think that this movie.

1294
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: And I also like that we don't even really go

1295
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: We don't go to the wedding. We go to like

1296
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 1: the photo shoot and then the after party. Like the

1297
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: movie very intentionally does not care about the wedding, right,

1298
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: And that's fun. You never see a movie about weddings

1299
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 1: where it's not leading up to the wedding.

1300
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great. Yes, So again I just appreciate even

1301
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 3: though this movie is a very like heightened horror movie

1302
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 3: version of this kind of cautionary tale, I appreciate it

1303
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 3: nonetheless because of how most movies again present it as

1304
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 3: a very fairy tale, sanitized Oh, it's the wedding is

1305
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 3: the best day of your life, and who cares about

1306
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 3: what happens after that? As long as you just have

1307
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 3: a really nice wedding, and I like that the movie

1308
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 3: doesn't take that approach.

1309
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, thanks, And yeah, it's a fun

1310
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 1: I've never seen a wedding movie like this. You know,

1311
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily need another, but I think it's it's

1312
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: unique in that way. In other ways, it's you know,

1313
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: doing a fun the same thing. Yeah, I want to

1314
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 1: talk about the other women in this family. Sure, we

1315
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: don't know very much about them. I mean the anti

1316
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: k Doll character. Again, I feel like maybe this is

1317
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: like a writing thing where her being awful was like

1318
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: supposed to be a twist where you're like, but like

1319
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 1: I knew, like the doy I don't know, we get

1320
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: a little bit from her where she I mean, she

1321
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 1: and Daniel are kind of like doing the same thing

1322
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: where they're like, we like you, we like you, we're

1323
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: rooting for you. But at the end of the day,

1324
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: the board game dynasty must stand. And I don't know,

1325
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: I guess there's really not I don't have that much

1326
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: to say about her. I wish I had a little

1327
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: more to say about her. I also think she would

1328
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 1: have been a cool character to like turn against people

1329
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,759
Speaker 1: too late. I don't know why, Like, did the person

1330
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: who ends up sort of switching and like beginning your

1331
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,799
Speaker 1: redemption arc before being killed have to be a brother.

1332
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: There are so many women in this house, but you know,

1333
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 1: I think there's an opportunity for like especial because you know,

1334
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: his mother has seen this happen over the years and

1335
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,919
Speaker 1: is the quote unquote an outsider. She's buried into the family,

1336
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: So it would have been cool to see another woman

1337
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: who is an outsider feel a type of way about

1338
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: it and maybe, you know, at least offer some sort

1339
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 1: of solidarity. Even if it does, I don't know. I

1340
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,679
Speaker 1: just feel like, especially because it's like they had Andy McDowell,

1341
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 1: I just wish that they had done more with that character.

1342
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 1: I don't know I did. That was all I really

1343
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: had to say about it. I just wish that there

1344
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: was more to talk about.

1345
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's kind of not much to talk about any

1346
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 3: of the other women because with Daniel's his wife Charity,

1347
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 3: you learn that she has the way she describes it, well,

1348
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 3: she barely describes it. She just says, like, you know

1349
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,839
Speaker 3: what my life was like before this, Because he's Daniel's

1350
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 3: criticizing her for like not flinching the second she learns

1351
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 3: of this family's like you know, nefarious history and their

1352
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 3: yeah goat sacrifices and all that kind of stuff, and

1353
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 3: she's like, well, as long as I'm rich, I don't

1354
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,879
Speaker 3: give a shit. And so that's her character.

1355
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 1: And you know, there.

1356
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 3: Are people like that who come from humble beginnings that

1357
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 3: definitely you know, suddenly have access to wealth and then

1358
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 3: they become an evil person. Seems to be the case

1359
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 3: for Charity. But that's kind of all we know about her.

1360
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: I also don't know like why they Like I had

1361
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 1: questions about why these two were married at all, Like

1362
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: they don't like each other, which is I mean, that's

1363
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 1: like ninety percent of married couples. But like, I do

1364
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: feel like in a movie you should get some sort

1365
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 1: of taste of like why things aren't working or or

1366
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: just yeah, because with Charity, the only explanation you get

1367
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: is this sentence of like, I am not going to

1368
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: go back to being poor, which is certainly like you're

1369
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:00,719
Speaker 1: saying an attitude that exists. But why did they get married?

1370
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: You know, because at least we can tell from the

1371
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 1: you know, very kind of dry opening scene of this

1372
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 1: movie that like Grace and Alex like each other. They

1373
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: seem to you, that's why they appear to have gotten married. Yeah,

1374
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of people do it. Not all,

1375
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 1: but but but many. M Yeah. With with Daniel and Charity,

1376
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, was this arranged? Like why?

1377
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 3: I mean, my guess is that they did love each

1378
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 3: other for some time and then they got married, and

1379
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 3: then they grew to resent each other and hate each

1380
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 3: other the way.

1381
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: We're just supposed to go on our like what we

1382
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: know about what happens with married couples is they like

1383
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: each other for a while.

1384
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 3: And then they don't anymore.

1385
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I just felt

1386
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: like it was, especially because our sympathies are with Daniel,

1387
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: that it kind of turns us against Charity in a

1388
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: contextless way where again and again, like the same missed

1389
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: opportunities as Andy McDowell's character.

1390
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 3: True, and then the thing that makes the least sense

1391
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 3: to me, But maybe maybe there's something to contextualizes. I

1392
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 3: don't know. But the way Aunt Helene, what is that

1393
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 3: you see her in the beginning, She's the bride whose

1394
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 3: partner is being human sacrificed, and you see how traumatizing

1395
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 3: that is for her and how upset she is by it.

1396
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 3: She seems to love her husband and is very sad

1397
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 3: that he gets killed. The next time we see her,

1398
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 3: she's been radicalized in the other direction, and she's like, no,

1399
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 3: this tradition is so important and it's for the greater good.

1400
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 3: But like, we don't understand how she has that turn,

1401
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 3: or like what prompts her to arc in that direction

1402
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 3: as a character, so.

1403
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,719
Speaker 1: And that it's like we're like owed by the narrative

1404
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 1: if they're gonna go out of the way, Like, her

1405
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: behavior makes more sense to me if we don't even

1406
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: see that beginning scene right, like you're just like, oh,

1407
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: this is the like and again playing into like cooky

1408
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 1: older woman stereotypes. Right, Everyone in this movie is a

1409
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 1: stereotype to some extent. But it makes more sense to

1410
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: me if we don't know that she's been through this

1411
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: tremendous trauma, because then I'm like, you need to tell

1412
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,600
Speaker 1: us how she got from A to B. You just

1413
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 1: have to.

1414
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 3: Yes. I agree also with Aunt Helene. I feel like

1415
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 3: the trope is present of an older woman, especially one

1416
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 3: who is unmarried and who doesn't have children. That type

1417
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 3: of woman equals scary, creepy Crone because even though she

1418
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:37,879
Speaker 3: and Andy McDowell's character are presumably roughly the same age

1419
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 3: and the actors are similar in age, Aunt Helene I

1420
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 3: feel like, is styled to look older. You know, she's

1421
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 3: got like the short white hair, and then just like

1422
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 3: considering she's often presented as this like startling jump scare

1423
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 3: or just a creepy presence in general. Ye, that feels

1424
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 3: pretty intentional to me.

1425
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that there is like a

1426
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: certain kind of visual coding to that as well. That is,

1427
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 1: and like also the way that that character is written,

1428
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 1: as we just talked about, like kind of falls apart

1429
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: under light scrutiny, and it seems like in favor of

1430
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: having her be the like I'm gonna use the word

1431
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: kookie because it just is like this void of like

1432
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: the kookie Aunt that is like chosen in favor of

1433
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 1: giving us a character that was set up, and the

1434
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:37,839
Speaker 1: visual choices support that sort of like we're just gonna

1435
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 1: do the kookie Aunt aesthetic instead of thinking critically because

1436
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 1: it's like this movie is challenging somethings and then other

1437
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: things are just like there as you would normally see them,

1438
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: which I feel like is like men maybe true, just

1439
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 1: throwing that out there, but yeah, yeah, that that definitely

1440
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 1: felt dissonant, and also like both of those characters are

1441
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 1: under like it just sure what is their relationship like

1442
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: because these women have known each other for thirty five years.

1443
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 3: Presumably what I don't know.

1444
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: There's just no insight into The only insight you really

1445
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 1: get is like Alex and Daniel, which is another thing

1446
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 1: that like Emily is left out of this sibling dynamic.

1447
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: She's like turned into a you know, like very stereotype,

1448
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: like you know, she's always high and she's jittery and

1449
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: she's killing people. Where you know, Alex and Daniel get

1450
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's still the tone of the movie, but

1451
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 1: they get some sort of arc as siblings. They get

1452
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 1: some sort of arc morally, Emily is like there for

1453
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: comic relief, Like why is that.

1454
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 3: Every scene she's in she just like snorts some more

1455
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 3: coke or eats some pills.

1456
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: Which is also like weird, I mean in a way

1457
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: that I don't even know how to feel about. But

1458
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: like very like rich lady stereotype, like using uppers all

1459
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: the time and you know, be pleasant and be appealing

1460
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah.

1461
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know how to compute that in

1462
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 3: this context, but the point is, Yeah, why isn't she

1463
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 3: brought into the fold of the sibling dynamics. She's just

1464
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:24,759
Speaker 3: sort of like she's the koked out mommy who's dealing

1465
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 3: with trying to raise a family. I guess, even though

1466
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 3: you barely see her interacting with her kids. I don't know.

1467
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: I didn't even realize she had kids until it was

1468
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: like surprised. That was the kid that Tomorrow Weaving punched

1469
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 1: in the face, was like her kid. Yeah, and that

1470
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 1: is only there to teach Daniel that this is actually

1471
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 1: fucked up, you know, Like I don't know. I yeah,

1472
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 1: especially like I I love a sibling movie. I love

1473
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: siblings at odds. Sure, Succession is my favorite television program.

1474
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 1: But this, yeah, she feels very intentionally left out, to

1475
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: the where sometimes I forgot she was their sister. Same

1476
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 1: so that's not great. Yeah, yeah, I would have liked

1477
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: to see her more meaningfully included. Shout out to Melanie s. Grafano,

1478
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: though she is currently on Star Trek's Strange New Worlds,

1479
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 1: which is a really awesome show starring Hot nepotism Ethan

1480
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: Peck as Hot Spock number two because Zachary Quintal is

1481
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: obviously also well Spot. You know, all of this boxs

1482
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:40,520
Speaker 1: are hot. Sure he's Gregory Peck's grandson, question mark, Okay, Yeah, anyways,

1483
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 1: nepotism is everywhere, guzy, Madam Webb in any case, Yeah,

1484
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 1: I felt like that there's every woman. I mean, and

1485
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 1: I want to be fair and say that, it's like,

1486
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 1: it's not as if there aren't male characters that are

1487
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 1: underwritten or dimensional to some extent. Everyone is, but it's

1488
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: just as like who is given a little more tends

1489
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 1: to be the male characters outside of Grace getting the

1490
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: edge time and time again. I thought Fitch was funny.

1491
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: He family is shit.

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Speaker 3: He's also like deliberately written to be very annoying so

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01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:26,759
Speaker 3: that you're when he dies, you're like, finally, yeah, yeah,

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01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 3: certainly there was more room for a little bit more

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01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 3: character development all around. But yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: But it's also like, I don't know, I honestly like,

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Speaker 1: if you're not watching for that, like this is a

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01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: fun movie to be like brain switched off. The entire

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01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: family fucking explodes at the end, Like, uh, it's awesome,

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Speaker 1: It's so awesome.

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01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 3: Yes, that's all I had to really say about it

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01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 3: at this time. I'm sure I'm missing something, but well.

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01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: I mean just to state the like, this movie takes

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01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 1: place in the rich white people world, and we're also

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01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 1: contained in an environment, so it's like not a movie

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01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 1: that is even really open to any sort of diversity.

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01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 1: I feel like by design, but certainly worth mentioning. And yeah,

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01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,600
Speaker 1: I like, you know, in spite of the flaws that

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01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 1: we have, just you know, taken apart at length, I

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01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: enjoy this movie. I think it's fun, same and it

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01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 1: reminds me why I like Samorrow Weaving because I feel

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01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: like that I can't think of another movie she's like

1513
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: the lead of She's in a lot of stuff, but yeah,

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01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 1: I feel like she's rarely the sta Anyways, I like her.

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01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: I like this movie. It passes the Bechdel test, yeah, sparingly,

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01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: but it does.

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01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 3: Not very much. There are a couple conversations between Grace

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01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 3: and Becky, who's Alex's mom aka Andy McDowell. Those conversations

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01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 3: are almost always about Alex, I think, so I don't

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01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 3: know if those count, but.

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01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 1: They were like two line it was. It was minimal.

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01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm inclined to be like the whole thing

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01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 3: is pretty much about Alex. But Grace and Emily talk

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01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 3: about Grace's wedding dress and how Emily has been stalking

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01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 3: Grace on Instagram, and so that passes.

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01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 1: Stalking another woman on Instagram. Yeah, that does pass the

1527
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 1: bactyl test. I do it every day.

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01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 3: Well, you don't have to stalk me, Jamie.

1529
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm right here, Sorry, I'm doing it anyway. Called one one.

1530
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,759
Speaker 3: I won't be stopped, Okay, And I contend that Grace

1531
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 3: talking to herself does pass the Bechdel test.

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01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 1: But anyway, I guess, well, I mean, and I can

1533
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: find passing the Bechel test to be annoying. So yeah,

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01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 1: I think it does like it does, and I think

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01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: spiritually it does. But there were more opportunities, like we're

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01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: talking about, like, so let's let's I mean, well, let's

1537
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,799
Speaker 1: get into the true metric, the one true metric.

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01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, nipple scale wise, I would give this movey. I

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01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 3: will go like three, I think, yeah, maybe even three

1540
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 3: and a half, somewhere in that range. I do appreciate

1541
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 3: the commentary on rich people are scary and isn't it

1542
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:23,560
Speaker 3: fun to see them explode? I appreciate the way that

1543
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 3: Grace is written, especially compared to so many other women

1544
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 3: in horror movies that are written by men and men

1545
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 3: just having a fundamental misunderstanding of how women move through

1546
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 3: the world, what motivates their choices, etc. This movie didn't

1547
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 3: really do that, so I appreciate it. It is a

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01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 3: very white movie based on just the premise that is

1549
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 3: put forth, but that doesn't mean there weren't other opportunities

1550
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:00,719
Speaker 3: to be more inclusive. Again, there was, oh, a woman

1551
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 3: of color as one of the housekeepers, and she didn't

1552
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 3: have any lines. She It just like pans to her

1553
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 3: as she's being brutally killed, and then that's all we

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01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 3: get from her.

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01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean I think that and that that

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01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 1: applies to race, class, like everything. There there were opportunities,

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01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, they just needed to be centered on these

1558
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: rich white brothers. Yes, more interesting opportunities were afoot.

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01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 3: But truly so, I'll give it three point twenty five

1560
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 3: nipples and hopefully this kind of paves the way for

1561
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 3: a little like for more kind of like nuanced examinations

1562
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 3: of like taking down the rich. This is a very

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01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 3: fun one. This is a very heightened, silly version of

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01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 3: that story. But I also feel like it missed some

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01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 3: opportunities either way, three point two five nipples, and I'll

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01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 3: give one to Tomorrow. I'll give one to Hugo Weaving.

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01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: Awesome.

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01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 3: And then I'll give one nipple to the actor who

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01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 3: plays Tina the housekeeper, who's the woman of color who

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01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 3: doesn't get any lines or I think a name that

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01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 3: we hear on screen. The actor's name is Selene Cy.

1572
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 3: So I'm giving one nipple to her, and I'll give

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01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 3: my one quarter nipple to mister Labail the devil. I

1574
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 3: love mister Labail slash Jigsaw. It should have been Jigsaw.

1575
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it. So I'll keep your short

1576
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 1: and see, I'm giving it three nipples there, I'll go

1577
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,640
Speaker 1: in to Jigsaw. Okay, I think, yeah, this is a

1578
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 1: fun movie that uh I think maybe like a little

1579
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 1: of my own, like you know in twenty nineteen Big

1580
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: Dress Conference Shoes, really come on, be serious, serious, you know,

1581
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 1: it's just really it feels like was this movie produced

1582
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: by a man named Trip and someone from the Vanderbilt family,

1583
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: which is another thing we talk about all the time

1584
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, interesting that a literal Vanderbilt is like, oh,

1585
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: the rich people are bad. Movie am I right, guys,

1586
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 1: like we're all hanging out here. Shut up, you know,

1587
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 1: like fuck shut up anyway. Yeah, I just think it's

1588
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 1: fun that the producers of this name were named Trip, James, Vanderbilt,

1589
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 1: William and Brad, Like, come on, you know it's written.

1590
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:31,679
Speaker 1: It was. The movie is written by a guy.

1591
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 3: Named Guy and I'm.

1592
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: Really turning on everyone at the end, and was directed

1593
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: by a ska musician. And and do I like the movie, yes,

1594
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 1: But do I think that it like outside of its

1595
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: female protagonist. I think that this is like a thing

1596
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 1: that a lot of male writers and filmmakers tend to do,

1597
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 1: is like I'm gonna get one woman character right, and

1598
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: then the rest may like you know, and on and

1599
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 1: on and on. But if you're looking for a fun

1600
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 1: slasher movie, holy shit, Like the end of this movie

1601
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 1: makes any issue I had leading up well worth it.

1602
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 1: The whole family fucking explodes into a cloud of blood

1603
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 1: my favorite kind of death. It's great, It's so silly, silly,

1604
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 1: Billy's uh tomorrow weaving fun, three Nipples to Jigsaw, long

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01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 1: live ska music.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can handle two women in

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Speaker 1: a movie this week, totally understand if you have to

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01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 1: see Project Hill Mary and you can only handle Ryan

1625
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 1: Gosling and a rock at this time. That is where

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Speaker 1: we're at culturally, and let's not just let's we don't

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01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: need to talk about it. Yes, we will see you

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Speaker 1: next week. Bye bye. The Bechdel Cast is a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartMedia, hosted and produced by me Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 3: And Me Caitlin Dorante podcast is also produced by Sophie

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Speaker 3: our artwork in fact are designed by Jamie Loftus, Ever

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Speaker 3: heard of her?

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Speaker 1: Oh My God? And our theme song, by the way,

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Speaker 1: was composed by Mike Kaplan.

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Speaker 3: With vocals by Katherine Voskrasinski.

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Speaker 1: Iconic and a special thanks to the one and only

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