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Speaker 1: Happy Friday. Everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Texans All Access from the Honday Texans Radio

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Speaker 2: Studio alongside the Voice of the Texans, Mark Vandermir.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, John Harris. Glad you are with us.

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Speaker 2: A beautiful night, a beautiful weekend wherever you are, no

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Speaker 2: matter what you know, why, Well most of you are

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Speaker 2: in Houston, so that's good, or Galveston you might be coming.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the traffic near my house. It's increasing

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Speaker 2: and that's not good.

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Speaker 1: But welcome in.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, appreciate you being with us. Mark, Good evening, How

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Speaker 2: are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Johnny, And I like how you are

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Speaker 3: really in support of the Islanders now, yeah, because I've

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Speaker 3: lived down in g Town, which nobody calls it that.

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Speaker 3: I call it that sometimes. Yeah, but there's boy that's

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Speaker 3: born on the island, the island, and there's IBC islander

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Speaker 3: by choice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, we are definitely ib c's for sure.

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Speaker 2: So okay, yeah, islander by choice. I love it. I

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Speaker 2: haven't gone through a spring break or a summer down there,

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Speaker 2: so I don't know what that's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Like, Well, we're coming up on spring break here. Traffica yeah, sometimes,

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Speaker 2: Just looked at there's basically two ways you can get

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Speaker 2: out or direction right. So like, if there's an accident

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Speaker 2: over there, forget it's accent over there, you coming that way,

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Speaker 2: forget it. So I just checked the traffic just out

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Speaker 2: of curiosity, and there's this long red line. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: oh no, because there's no getting off of that. It's

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Speaker 2: that road to get down there. So yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 2: definitely happening. And you know spring break is is I

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Speaker 2: guess for some people.

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Speaker 1: Is happening very very soon. I know you know this

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Speaker 1: today it's today, Yeah, Hanold County for county. Good lucks.

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Speaker 2: So they'll all me at home listening to us talk

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Speaker 2: about the new league year.

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Speaker 3: Next week they will. So you got longhorns because my

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Speaker 3: kid is one. Yeah yeah, that's a week later for

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Speaker 3: some reason. So you went to Boston University. I went

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Speaker 3: to Brown University. When was your spring break? I don't remember,

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Speaker 3: And it was never a big deal to us. I

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Speaker 3: didn't do the Fort Lauderdale go to Florida thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't remember what I did. You know, after freshman year,

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Speaker 3: I was working all the time. I worked while going

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Speaker 3: to school. So spring break to me was more work hours, right,

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Speaker 3: And I'm not singing the blues here. It was actually

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Speaker 3: very good for me, very good for me to be working, yes,

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Speaker 3: and sort of getting acclimated to that way of life.

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Speaker 3: And next week we're gonna be talking about free agency.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going anywhere because this is a very exciting

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Speaker 3: time in the NFL Anthony, Houston Texans and pre Monday

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Speaker 3: legal tampering period, we've got more news than we did

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Speaker 3: last year because of all this restructuring that needs to

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Speaker 3: be done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: We've seen a number of restructures that have gone through.

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Speaker 2: I want to focus on one that. Again, there won't

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Speaker 2: be a statement or we're a lead for a release

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Speaker 2: coming from the Texans on these situations, but sources noted

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Speaker 2: today many of them actually throughout the Houston area. Aaron Wilson,

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Speaker 2: Josh Alexander named a few, and they're probably a few others.

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Speaker 2: Shaq Mason is going to be a post June one

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Speaker 2: cut for this team. Now what does that mean? So

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Speaker 2: let's just talk about the finances real fast. The cut

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Speaker 2: means and because he's a post June one cut, it

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Speaker 2: means that they can push the cap.

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Speaker 1: Hit, the dedcap hit for another year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, however you don't get to spend that money before

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Speaker 2: June one.

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Speaker 1: That's fine.

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Speaker 2: So you're gonna have probably about seven million or so

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Speaker 2: that you can you've got to or you can have

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Speaker 2: after June one. To me, the bigger thing is shak

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Speaker 2: Mason no longer Houston text and some mark I throw

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Speaker 2: this out there just as a kind of gut reaction.

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Speaker 2: We do this a lot of times, like here's what happened.

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Speaker 2: What's your initial gut reaction when you saw that information?

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: Well, it shows you that we're getting along here in

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Speaker 3: the Nick Cassario part of this new era, right, Nick

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Speaker 3: Asiria started in twenty twenty one, Demiko in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: and this is an era that combines both of those guys' abilities, right,

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Speaker 3: Nick's been here a couple of years longer. And when

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Speaker 3: you look at Shaq as an addition, great former patriot

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Speaker 3: played with the Bucks, right, and great familiarity with Nick

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Speaker 3: and all of that, and excellent contribution to this franchise,

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Speaker 3: victories each way. And I know the Old Line got

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Speaker 3: its hits last year, but we thank Shaq for that

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Speaker 3: he was able to contribute to this organization. I mean,

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Speaker 3: offense of twenty twenty four, he was a starter on

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Speaker 3: two productive teams in this organization's history. So obviously you

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Speaker 3: were getting along here, meaning time, the passage of time,

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Speaker 3: as Famola would say, the passage of time, because now

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Speaker 3: you're looking at guys who Nick brought in who can

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Speaker 3: no longer be here for whatever reason. I know there

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Speaker 3: way Nick Caley wants it to be Endmiko ryans, and

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Speaker 3: you have to acknowledge that some guys are just getting older,

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Speaker 3: and that's just life in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Father Time is undefeated, as they say.

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Speaker 3: So I just look at this as okay, we're we're

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Speaker 3: churning in burning here, you know, and you're gonna see

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Speaker 3: more of this kind of stuff. You're gonna see names,

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Speaker 3: you know, and like we've seen some already throughout these

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Speaker 3: some already. But and I've seen some names you know

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Speaker 3: have to revamp, retool the team around C. J. Stroud,

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Speaker 2: So twenty twenty three, so off the top of my head,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to take the time to look this up,

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Speaker 2: but I know Shaq played all seventeen games and then playoffs.

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Speaker 1: He was the only offensive line to have done that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Larimie missed a couple of games, you know

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Speaker 2: what that knee, you know, Titus missed the last six

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Speaker 2: Juice played the last seven games, missed the first ten games.

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Speaker 2: Shack played all seventeen in twenty twenty three, and then

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Speaker 2: George Fan I think played the majority games over the

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Speaker 2: of a surprise because George Fan came in training camp

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Speaker 2: does he fit? And all of a sudden he stepped

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Speaker 2: over the right tackle. When Titus got hurt in training camp.

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Speaker 2: He thought George Fans looking pretty good, yep, And so

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Speaker 2: that moved Titus over left guard, and that ultimately, you know,

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Speaker 2: moved him over there. I don't think Titus had a

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Speaker 2: great year in twenty twenty three from that perspective, But

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Speaker 2: back to Shack twenty twenty three, I thought he was solid.

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Speaker 2: I thought he could played a little better, but I

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Speaker 2: thought he was solid. And the fact that you know what,

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Speaker 2: what do they say the greatest ability is availability or

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Speaker 2: whatever the case might be. Well, he was available and

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Speaker 2: he was available throughout all games in twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: until he got hurt against Kansas City in December. Now,

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Speaker 2: I think Shaq would even tell you this was not

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Speaker 2: his best year. He had some struggles and the pass protection,

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Speaker 2: and when you're up in years, you just there's some

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Speaker 2: rope you're afforded, but that rope goes away if you

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Speaker 2: don't play at a high level consistently. Right, And I

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Speaker 2: know I'm saying something that probably everybody would agree with.

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Speaker 2: But I think in some cases around the NFL and

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Speaker 2: your other sports, you know, you like to have seasoned

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Speaker 2: vets around your building, regardless of how they're playing. But

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Speaker 2: Shack did a great job in his career thus far.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much is left of that career

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Speaker 2: thus far. I think he's thirty two. But the Texans

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Speaker 2: now looking for a right guard. And look, I know

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are out there going, well, we

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Speaker 2: thought they were looking for right guard anyways, depending on

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Speaker 2: what happens with Titus, And I don't disagree with that.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people have kind of been

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Speaker 2: on that train of you know, yeah, we got to

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Speaker 2: find anterior offensive line. I think we think we knew that,

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Speaker 2: but now it comes down to this, and I think

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Speaker 2: there are a few questions that we talk about this

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Speaker 2: offensive line. Mark, you've got Kenyan Green going into year

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Speaker 2: Those three have started a lot of games on the interior.

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Speaker 2: You've got those three. You also have a couple of

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Speaker 2: guys that I thought about. Just as I was kind

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Speaker 2: recognize everybody? I didn't recognize him, but I like he's

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Speaker 2: put together, and you can tell what offensive linement looks like.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's Jayalen Thomas.

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Speaker 2: And Jalen Thomas one of those guys that I really

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Speaker 2: like about SMU and I think he's built really well

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Speaker 2: and he's built like a guard. I'd like to see

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Speaker 2: then you got Ladarius Henderson who they drafted last year

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Speaker 1: He had to have surgery, they got to rehab.

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Speaker 2: He's all set ready to go now he sent around

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Speaker 2: pick so pack it for what it is. But was

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Speaker 2: he one of those guys that Texas when I drafted

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Speaker 2: and quote unquote stashed to get him healthy. So those

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Speaker 2: are five guys that are in the building at this point.

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Speaker 1: To take one of those guard positions.

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Speaker 2: The question becomes, is Titus sticking at the left guard

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Speaker 2: position left up to me? I'd say yes, I'd put

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Speaker 2: Titus in there. I thought when Titus moved over to guard,

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Speaker 2: I thought things really settled down. I thought, as he

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Speaker 2: got more reps at guard, I felt like they did

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Speaker 2: at guard, he started to impost his will a little

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Speaker 2: bit more on defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: Was it perfect?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not gonna sell you on that, but I

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Speaker 2: am gonna sell you on the fact. As I told

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Speaker 2: him in the locker room after a game, I told him,

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Speaker 2: I said, look, I understand that going from one position

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Speaker 2: where you feel more comfortable to another one is a

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Speaker 2: true sacrifice for the team. I said, but Titus, I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you this, you're pretty game good at it. And

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Speaker 2: he kind of got that big old smile. If you've

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Speaker 2: been around Tight, you've seen that smile. And he's just like,

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Speaker 2: thank you. You know, yes, sir, you know, just very southern.

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Speaker 2: Just I would up to me. Titus is a guard.

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Speaker 2: He plays left guard, Larryman left tackle. Titus is the

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Speaker 2: left guard, and Blake at right tackle. And now you

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Speaker 2: figure out the other two. Whether you know, Juice plays

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Speaker 3: If that's the case, and it's up to Nick Cayley, Demiko,

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Speaker 1: That's how it's gonna be. Don't talk to.

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Speaker 1: But you're gonna go get somebody.

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Speaker 2: And maybe I mean, like I said, leaving Titus on

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Speaker 3: Who knows, because you said last year with Kenyon, get

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Speaker 3: Though that would be amazing, but you can't count on that.

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Speaker 3: So it's possible, but you can't count on that either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's no question now from a from a

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Speaker 2: he made almost seventeen million dollars and a he's not

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Speaker 1: How much do you have? How much do you have?

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Speaker 1: Obviously, that's right. I mean, this is well documented.

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Speaker 1: I have a significant need.

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Speaker 2: I always feel like he's a guy you can get,

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Speaker 2: Here's what it's interesting to me. Makai Beckton was the

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Speaker 3: He's let me just say one thing overall about all this,

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Speaker 1: Match it in all likelihood. That's right, you can't.

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Speaker 3: You already have so much money on the line, money

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Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna.

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Speaker 3: I agree, it's got to work out, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: We'll see who asses you mentioned his name earlier, Who

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Speaker 1: In that's mindset.

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Speaker 2: I think Gray's Abel and Tyler Booker are both nasty

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Speaker 2: love football alpha types that you know, look, as rookies,

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Speaker 1: DJ readers like that.

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Speaker 1: And I think I think that's kind of the way

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Speaker 2: as well, and yeah, if you got to do in

436
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,760
Speaker 2: the first round, you gotta do in the first round.

437
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 2: You just have to make sure that whoever is playing

438
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:12,920
Speaker 2: that right guard position that it's locked down even more

439
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 2: so than it was last year. And I think getting

440
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,719
Speaker 2: those guys to play together better instead of being And

441
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 2: I heard his term a long time ago. I'll never

442
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,160
Speaker 2: forget I was talking about Dylan Cole. Actually, Dylan Cole

443
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 2: is actually the one who termed this, and I've kind

444
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 2: of used it in different ways. Those five up there

445
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 2: can't be a bunch of rich independent contractors, right, Those

446
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 2: guys got to be playing together. They got to give

447
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 2: give up one another. And I think they know it,

448
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 2: but I don't know if they always put that into

449
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 2: play last year, and I think that's that's got to change.

450
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 1: And maybe it's one guy.

451
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,679
Speaker 2: You know, Kevin's either was a guy that we were

452
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 2: all trading text about, and that was one of the

453
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 2: things that we said, like, Hey, that's a that's a

454
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 2: nasty dude that's been around, He's seen some things, he's grizzled,

455
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 2: he seasoned. I think that group can you could use

456
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,439
Speaker 2: that a little bit. They could use that in that

457
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 2: room because in all other than other than than Laramie,

458
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:05,959
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I guess you know, Titus has been

459
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 2: around now for a few years, but it's a pretty

460
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 2: young room.

461
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 3: Really, It's it's a pretty room. Titus look twenty nineteen. Hey,

462
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 3: I know, two, three, four, seventh.

463
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: Seventh year.

464
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, Titus is in his seventh year.

465
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 3: We're in the second half of he'll be a starter

466
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 3: for ten years kind of talk when you draft him

467
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 3: when the second half of that decade, right. Another thing

468
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 3: to think about is the way you put these things together.

469
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 3: We mentioned Brizel on the Greatest Texans line ever. Wade

470
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,239
Speaker 3: Smith was a free agent Chris Myers. You got him

471
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 3: for a sixth round draft choice from the Denver Broncos.

472
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 1: He wasn't even really a starter.

473
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 3: It started a bunch of games, but he wasn't a

474
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 3: starter for them, So you never know where it's going

475
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 3: to come from. But I think you hit on something

476
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 3: mentality fit. How else do they put this together? Is

477
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,360
Speaker 3: there another move coming that we don't know about? Could

478
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 3: it be a monster mammoth move, but it would take

479
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 3: doing some things yep, with the current roster.

480
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 2: And like you you said, you don't know where that's coming.

481
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 2: Like Stefan Diggs last year. I remember Rob was in

482
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 2: your office. Yeah, and we got kind of a little

483
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: bit of a heads up. We're looking at each other.

484
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: Like what is it?

485
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 2: Totally unexpected, like no clue, And then we kind we

486
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 2: kind of started speculating between the two of us and

487
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 2: we thought, Okay, if they're making a move, maybe it's

488
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers because Demico has experience with them.

489
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 2: And then thirty minutes later we found out, oh no,

490
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 2: we've traded for stuff on digs yap, like holy cow.

491
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 2: Now to your point a little bit earlier about center,

492
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: and you said our centers in the building. I think

493
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 2: ultimately I would love to see Juice be the center,

494
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: but I think the way Jared has played, I think

495
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 2: that ends up being a heck of a competition, depending

496
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 2: on what you're gonna do there. But Gray's Abel can

497
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: play center. I think he can. I saw it at

498
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: Senior boll I think he can. Now. He played tackling

499
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 2: guard at North Zakote's state round. I think you're gonna

500
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: take them the first I go back to this Graham

501
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 2: Barton up. Graham Barton was a tackle at Duke, really

502
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 2: good one number twenty two overall in the draft. They

503
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: drafted him, called him up, said you're gonna be our

504
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: starting center for the next ten to twelve years.

505
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: And he has been really really good.

506
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: Solidifying the center of the middle of the line for

507
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I think Gray's Abel is like that.

508
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: I think he could step in and be a center.

509
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: You also play at guard. I think where you're not

510
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 2: gonna play him as at tackle, which is where he

511
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 2: played at North Kota State. Helvin athlete jumped thirty six

512
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: inches on his vertical leap. We'll do his other testing

513
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,959
Speaker 2: when he gets back to North Kota State, first Pro

514
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 2: Day Grays Abels a guy I really like.

515
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: He's done everything.

516
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 2: He had a great career, great senior Bowl, tremendous combine testing.

517
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: I think he's definitely got himself in the first round consideration.

518
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: You know there are other guys too, but I think

519
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 2: Zabel could end up playing center. Now, if you draft him,

520
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: you play them at center. It's not a guarantee, but

521
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna have options if you draft him.

522
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: If you draft Tyler Booker at twenty five, which I

523
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: would like as well, he's a guard like he's a guard.

524
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: He's a guard, all day guard and only a guard.

525
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: Not gonna play tackle, not gonna play center.

526
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a guard.

527
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: So I do think that the percentage options would lean

528
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: more toward you.

529
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: Our starting centers in this building. Say that our right

530
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: guard is in this building, Zabel and Abuka are there.

531
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: This is my theory. It's been my theory all along.

532
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: Buka is the receiver from Ohio State.

533
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: I love a mecha Buka and I'm gonna I'm gonna

534
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 2: go on one little ran. I texted Sean Pendergas because

535
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 2: I heard this on his show today. I texted Sean.

536
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 2: Somebody somebody texted in and was like dealing with the

537
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: Christian Kirk trade. Oh, a Mecca Buka is a slot receiver.

538
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 2: We're not gonna draft him. Stop a Mecca a Buka

539
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: can play the slot. A Mecca Buka has played the slot.

540
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 2: He's the exact same size that DeAndre Hopkins was when

541
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: DeAndre is drafted at Clemson, and Abuka has played all

542
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: over the formation. Yeah, so, yes, you can play Kirk

543
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: with Abuka. Calm down. He is not a slot receiver.

544
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 2: Justin Jeffers and played the slot nearly one hundred percent

545
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 2: of the time in twenty twenty at LSU. He a

546
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: slot receiver, not exactly AJ Brown, but he can still

547
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 2: do anything, like you said, because they do a lot

548
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: about the information like that AJ Brown all the time

549
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: in the slot next to DK Metcalf at Ole. Miss

550
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: AJ Brown a slot receiver. Nope, you ever seen AJ Brown?

551
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 4: No?

552
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: So, just because the guy plays there in college doesn't

553
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 2: mean he is that. Some guys are Xavier Restreppo from

554
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: Miami slot receiver all right, all day every day you're drafting.

555
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: If A Bukah and j are there at twenty five.

556
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm taking Zabel all day, every day.

557
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: Wow, even though I love a Buka and I will

558
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: have a Buka probably ahead of Zabel, and my hairris

559
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: one hundred.

560
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: I think you and I always look at it like this.

561
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: If I take a Buka and I'm thinking I got

562
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: to get into your lineman, Do I want a Buka

563
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: with a lesser inter your offnce lineman, or do I

564
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: want Zabel and a lesser wide receiver. I'd rather have

565
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: Zabel than lesser wide receiver because that lesser wide receiver

566
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: is going to be ranked much higher than an interior

567
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: offensive linement. This group interior offensive linment. His draft is

568
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: not tremendous, Okay, not tremendous. So I feel like I've

569
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: gotta get a guy relatively early because by the time

570
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: I get to maybe late second round, maybe Tate Rattley's

571
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 2: probably gonna be there by the.

572
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: Time I get to the third round.

573
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 2: All right, So saw, I'm going Zabel and then I'm

574
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: going receiver because it's gonna be tons of receivers are

575
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: gonna be if you draft Zabel as he starting opening day, Yes,

576
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: what are you doing with juice? He's playing right guard

577
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 2: at that point, because you have no more Shack Mason.

578
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I have juice at center AND's able at

579
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: right guard.

580
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: Okay, well do the second round, first round, tightest, first

581
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 3: round contract extension, Laramie endless contract extensions. Yeah, I mean

582
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: it's Blake Fisher's second round pick. At some point you

583
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 3: have to say, man, we put a lot into this,

584
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 3: let's get better for you.

585
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: That's right, that's exactly right.

586
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: I mean Nick has to be tearing his hair out

587
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 3: thinking about stuff like this. Hypothetically anyway, right, buzz, He's

588
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: not gonna do.

589
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: That, absolutely, But it's it's like you know if if

590
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: you have, say you have a car, and you know,

591
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: you fix one part of the car, thinking Okay, that's

592
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: gonna fix it, a lot of money to fix it.

593
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: But then in another piece of breaks, well I gotta

594
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: fix it. You got to fix it, Like, you can't.

595
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: Just let it go. It can't just be this dilapidated

596
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: piece of drive.

597
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, I know, but maybe we can coach these

598
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: guys up. This guy's gonna rise, this guy, you know,

599
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: it's like draft day. We've got the quarterback after all.

600
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 3: Kind of thinking I get it, I.

601
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: Get it, but I would much I would much rather

602
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: just just given the supply and the demand of that position.

603
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: That's what's driving it.

604
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: From me, Diables, I think it's Abel's a really good

605
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: football player, if I'm being honest along those lines, could

606
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 2: I could I kind of play around and maybe get

607
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: one in the second round and go Buka and maybe

608
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: someone in the second round potentially.

609
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: Because you still have to draft a receiver. Yeah, you know,

610
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: McClain thought not in the first three rounds. I was like,

611
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just feel like, I mean, there's not.

612
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: Who else they get in free agency too.

613
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: But Nico Collins, which Ron was he drafted well, ra

614
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: was Tank del three, Xavier Hutchinson four or.

615
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: Five, six six later later? Yeah later? So yeah.

616
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 2: DeAndre Johnson or Andre Johnson, DeAndre Hope Bekins were first

617
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 2: rounders and they played like it and they were they

618
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: were tremendous.

619
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: You don't have to do that.

620
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: And my old thing is just driven by the supply

621
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: and demand in that particular position, you know, And I

622
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: think that's why these guys that were seeing as free

623
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: agents at that position are gonna end up getting paid.

624
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: And the sicker shock will get you exit the sixth round. Yes, amazing,

625
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: still with this team.

626
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: Six round and still looking forward to seeing him play,

627
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm the one wing like dude who

628
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: can make the big plays when you need to. But

629
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: he's not going to be a frontline guy playing on

630
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: a regular basis.

631
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: Just seems that way.

632
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: We just have got to get the offensive line right.

633
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: Since I've been in this building twenty fourteen, I think

634
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: fourteen to fifteen, we had Ben Jones, Brandon Brooks, and

635
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: Dwayne Brown.

636
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: I feel like, though those are.

637
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: Good offensive lines, but those were all Jones was a

638
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: fourth rounder, Yeah, Brooks a third. Those are all Rick

639
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: Smith picks that just continued to develop over years and

640
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: then eventually through free agency. We have never really gotten

641
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: the offensive line to a point where our quarterbacks have been.

642
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: I mean, think about all the sacks to Sean took,

643
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: now it was on him, a lot of those on him.

644
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: CDA took way too many sacks and some of those

645
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: are on him. This offensive line has just got to

646
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: get right. It's gotta get right.

647
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: It's weird though, because Jones played for a long time

648
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: after he left here, obviously, but he looked pretty good here,

649
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: and Brandon Brooks looked great with Philadelphia when he went there.

650
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: You know, Rick took a lot of grief for these

651
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: mid round picks, but those guys are really good mid

652
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Speaker 3: round picks, and you got them and Dwayne Brown on

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Speaker 3: the same line, and Newton left before that. He kind

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Speaker 3: of overlapped a little bit because he got that, Butteller teddon.

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Speaker 2: Double, he overlopped a little bit and then got that

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Speaker 2: injury against the Broncos on Monday Night.

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Speaker 3: They had a good budget, personnel, brilliant, but they never

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Speaker 3: could put it together the way you need it to,

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Speaker 3: especially since they didn't have the cornerback right, et cetera,

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Speaker 3: et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So they gave it a shot.

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Speaker 3: Never able to recapture the magic of twenty eleven twenty

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Speaker 3: twelve with that greatest of all time Texans line. And

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Speaker 3: they've got a lot of guys, they put a lot

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Speaker 3: into it.

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Speaker 1: Gotta happen. Shack Mason no longer a Texan.

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Speaker 2: A lot of work to do still, regardless of what

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Speaker 2: five end up being the starters for the Houston Texans,

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Speaker 2: they will not have to block this individual.

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Speaker 1: At least as it sits now.

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Speaker 2: A little bit of a shocker from Tennessee will go

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Speaker 2: around in the NFL. Next right here in Texans Access

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Speaker 2: cep it everybody. Happy Friday to you. Welcome back Texans

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Speaker 2: All Access from Monday Texans Radio Studio.

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Speaker 1: So happy with you.

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Speaker 2: I am John Harris, football analyst, sideline reporter for your

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Speaker 2: Houston Texans. Let's go around the NFL, and it probably starts.

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Speaker 2: Try and get as many items that pertain to the

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Speaker 2: Texans as possible. In this one, Let's start with Washington.

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Speaker 2: The Commanders released Jonathan Allen, one of my all time

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Speaker 2: favorite players. They attempted to trade him, couldn't find a

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Speaker 2: trade partner, and so the Commanders decided to release the

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Speaker 2: two time Pro bowler Jonathan Allen. Now he's due fifteen

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Speaker 2: point five million to base salary this season, had zero

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Speaker 2: guaranteed dollars left Washington ends up saving about sixteen and

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Speaker 2: a half million dollars. That sixteen point five million is

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Speaker 2: a number We've heard a lot lately in a number

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Speaker 2: of different situations. But I'll bring up Jonathan Allen because

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Speaker 2: in tier defensive lineman, tremendous pass rusher, guy plays the

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Speaker 2: run really well. I mean, I love everything about him.

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Speaker 2: Now now now, injuries have been a factor. He played

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Speaker 2: just eight games last year due to a peck injury.

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Speaker 2: Suffered a week six. He did come back at the

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Speaker 2: end of the year like JJ did back in twenty

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Speaker 2: nineteen from a peck injury and was part of Washington's

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Speaker 2: Postseas isn't run.

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Speaker 1: But the Commanders have drown paying a big contract.

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Speaker 2: They drafted Johnny Newton in the second round, so they

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Speaker 2: could at this point, I want to say keeping Allen

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Speaker 2: was a priority.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they wanted to. Maybe they'll get him back.

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Speaker 2: Who knows, But thirty years old, I think he's got

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Speaker 2: a pretty decent market.

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Speaker 1: Now could the Texans get in that market. We'll see

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Speaker 1: if they were gonna splurge. I've said offensive line.

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Speaker 2: I would not at all be sad if they made

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Speaker 2: a splurge on Jonathan Allen. This from Tennessee paying off

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Speaker 2: on the Tees. Harold Landry to be released by the Titans.

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Speaker 2: Harold Landry, longtime pass rusher for the Tennessee Titans. Ironically, Abdua.

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Speaker 2: Carter penn State was in the building and with Tennessee yesterday. Now,

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Speaker 2: Harold Landry had been given the opportunity to go find

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Speaker 2: a trade partner, and I guess they couldn't find one.

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Speaker 2: So the Titans just said, now we're ready to move

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Speaker 2: on now. Harold Landry had not been the last couple

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Speaker 2: of years, and I know one year was hurt, but

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Speaker 2: he had not been a thorn in the side of

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Speaker 2: the Texans like he had been earlier in his career.

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Speaker 2: Really kind of dip and rip ghosts move, really a

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Speaker 2: lot of bendy, twitchy type stuff early in his career.

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Speaker 2: After the injury that he had, he hasn't quite been

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Speaker 2: that player. But the Titans needed more than Harold Landry

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Speaker 2: rushing the edge. Now they don't even have Harold Landry.

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Speaker 2: So to me, that starts to tell me that they

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Speaker 2: really like Abduall Carter and they've got to even add more.

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Speaker 2: So keep an eye of the Titans adding pass rushers.

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Speaker 1: Through free agency.

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Speaker 2: Keep an eye on them adding Abduall Carter potentially with

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Speaker 2: the top pick in the draft. He is my number

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Speaker 2: one in the Harris one hundred. He is a dominating player.

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Speaker 2: Would not like to see him on the other side

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Speaker 2: against the Texans, but is what it is. Looking for

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Speaker 2: a trade partner, and maybe these two are connected. Trey

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson is looking for a trade. He was tremendous the

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Speaker 2: last couple of years in Cincinnati. He asked for a

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Speaker 2: trade last year and get it. All he did was

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Speaker 2: go on and get seventeen and a half sacks again.

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Speaker 2: So maybe he ends up in Detroit, maybe Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 2: The Chargers got rid of Joey Bosa, could they pay

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Speaker 2: for Trey Hendrickson. That's one to keep an eye on, because,

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Speaker 2: as I saw an NFL Dot Common article has said,

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Speaker 2: one of the eight teams that could use Trey Hendrickson

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Speaker 2: the Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 1: No, No, got dude out of our division.

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Speaker 2: I think he's got better options elsewhere. The Colts have

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Speaker 2: got a few guys on the edge they could use

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson opposite a lot to But my god, I don't

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Speaker 2: want to see Hendrickson in the division. We're just getting

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Speaker 2: rid of Harold Landry. Let's not face Trey Hendrickson. But

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Speaker 2: let's talk to our new Texans president, Mike Toeman. We

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Speaker 2: had a chance to catch up early in the week,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people talking about what he had to say.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back and revisit and if you haven't heard,

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Speaker 2: well it's the first time for you. We'll do that

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Speaker 2: next on Texans All Access were won final segment of

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Speaker 2: this edition of Texans All Access from the hundred Texans

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Speaker 2: Radio studio. I'm your host, John Harris, football analyst, Sideline

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Speaker 2: Reports Friday night, and it's time to you know, play

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Speaker 2: the best from the week, and really the best from

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Speaker 2: the week. Probably the one thing that got most people talking,

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Speaker 2: most people interested Mike Toman, president, new president of the

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Speaker 2: Houston Texans. We had a chance to talk with Mike

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Speaker 2: about his background, about stadium situations.

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Speaker 1: And just getting to know him in general. We love him.

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Speaker 1: Here he is Mike Toeman with me and Mark and

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Speaker 1: studio with us.

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Speaker 3: Now new president of the Houston Texans. Mike Toeman joining us. Mike,

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Speaker 3: great to have you with us. How's it going.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's going great. Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited to be here.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna get to know you and we'll get

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Speaker 3: into your background. Johnny's already broken down all the Georgetown

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Speaker 3: football tape.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we'll do that part sixty seconds.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was all longer to mine. So you're good.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into this though.

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Speaker 3: What attracted thank you to this, this opportunity the Houston

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Speaker 3: tech sins here you are tell us about.

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Speaker 4: That, Yeah, no, it was. It was a great process

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Speaker 4: for me to go through to really get to know

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Speaker 4: this opportunity. I think thought about it in a few

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Speaker 4: different ways. First was the NFL. I think the health

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Speaker 4: of the NFL is a league on a global stage,

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Speaker 4: could not be stronger. And so when you look towards

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Speaker 4: where the league's going in the future, it's pretty exciting,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think the game not only here but globally,

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Speaker 4: so that was certainly appealing. I think the other side

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Speaker 4: was really understanding ownership. You know, I've been in sports

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Speaker 4: and entertainment for almost twenty five years at this point,

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Speaker 4: and I've been fortunate enough to be a number of

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Speaker 4: different places, and one thing that I can say, sitting

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Speaker 4: in front of you today that is extremely important is ownership.

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Speaker 4: You know, you can't underestimate the value of having good ownership.

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Speaker 4: And so I had the chance to get to know

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Speaker 4: Cal and Hannah both and certainly was very aware of

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Speaker 4: Bob and Janis's legacy as well, and having the opportunity

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Speaker 4: to sit in front of them and see how genuinely

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Speaker 4: they cared about the team, the city and have these

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Speaker 4: big aspirations for what it can be in the future.

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Speaker 4: That gave me goosebumps. That was special, and so I

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Speaker 4: looked at that. I was like, okay, you have the league,

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Speaker 4: you have the right ownership, and then you start looking

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Speaker 4: at the team. Team is in a great spot. You know,

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Speaker 4: certainly fun to watch, but you know, really in a

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Speaker 4: position where you have these cornerstones to keep building with

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Speaker 4: Nick and coach, and the offense with CJ's leadership, certainly

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Speaker 4: a stout defense, feel really good about the team on

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Speaker 4: the field. And then you really start thinking about, okay, well,

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Speaker 4: where's all this happening? You know, where is this all

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Speaker 4: gonna happen? And how did she chants to really look

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Speaker 4: at Houston. Houston as a market, you really look at

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Speaker 4: it as truly an international city, a world class city.

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Speaker 4: And what makes Houston so unique is it has all

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Speaker 4: that global appeal in a very humble manner. You know,

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Speaker 4: you have such a great base. And then I drilled

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Speaker 4: down into the fan base and from a distance before

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Speaker 4: accepting the job, you know, it's just a great reputation

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Speaker 4: of what the Texans fan base brings to the table.

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Speaker 4: You know, you have a younger fan base when you

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Speaker 4: put it up towards the rest of the NFL, but

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Speaker 4: you have such a deep history in football in this city.

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Speaker 4: And I look at both those things, is gosh, look

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Speaker 4: where it is right now, and ultimately weigh all that together,

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Speaker 4: look where it will be. And so to me, this

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Speaker 4: was a pretty pretty easy decision. You know, I felt

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Speaker 4: really fortunate to have the opportunity, and it was one

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Speaker 4: that I don't see any executive that wouldn't run to

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Speaker 4: this thing when you kind of look at it through

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Speaker 4: that lens.

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Speaker 2: Mike, you talked about being a sports business for about

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Speaker 2: twenty five years. Now you're on a team side as

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Speaker 2: opposed to maybe working for an organization where maybe you

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Speaker 2: work with other you know, other teams and organization. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you've been here long enough to be

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Speaker 2: able to kind of tell the difference between being on

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Speaker 2: that side. We just talk about in public accounting, there

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Speaker 2: were people that worked as accountants for a business and

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Speaker 2: there were ones that worked in public accounting when they

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Speaker 2: were auditors. Is that kind of the same for you, like,

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Speaker 2: now you're working for a company, now you're working for

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Speaker 2: a team.

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Speaker 1: Is there any difference that you've see in that.

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Speaker 4: Well, yes, there is. I think the unique place, the

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Speaker 4: fortunate place that I sit in is I have the

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Speaker 4: vantage point from both and so I started off my

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Speaker 4: career on the team side. It was predominantly in the NBA,

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Speaker 4: but fortunate enough to touch a number of different sports,

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Speaker 4: and living on the team side, you understand the seasonality,

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Speaker 4: the cadence. Really the thing one of the things that

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Speaker 4: I'm really was the passion, you know, the passion in

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Speaker 4: your individual team. Everything that you do is pushing towards

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Speaker 4: making that better. And then you know, I spent the

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Speaker 4: you know, call it the second half of my career

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Speaker 4: thus far on that agency side. I can't remember what

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Speaker 4: accountant you were comparing that to. Never had that analogy,

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Speaker 4: but when I look at having the ability to also

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Speaker 4: see the sports industry more from a platform standpoint, it

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Speaker 4: was one of those things where it was like, gosh,

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Speaker 4: you have both vantage points and you can put them

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Speaker 4: to use here in this situation here in Houston.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you were co president of Legends, so you worked

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Speaker 3: on so far, Allegiance Stadium, you worked on the start.

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Speaker 3: What didn't you work on? So how did that experience

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Speaker 3: help what you're going to do here?

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Speaker 4: I think what that allowed me to do was see

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Speaker 4: major processes that can be transformative, what organizations can do

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Speaker 4: to optimize them and make the most of them, and

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Speaker 4: it had an It gave me the opportunity to see

868
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 4: a number of different best practices, you know, and candidly

869
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: I got to see some mistakes too. And so you

870
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 4: have the ability to bring all that here and channel

871
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 4: all that into one focus, which is growing the Texans

872
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: fan base in business.

873
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: Cool along those lines, Mike and I know there's an

874
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 2: article that came out of Chronicle about stadium versus renovation,

875
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 2: all those kind of things, and obviously people connecting, you know,

876
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: connecting the dots with your experience with stadiums and all that.

877
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: I'll ask this question whether you want to get into

878
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: what's going to happen or not, but the value of.

879
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: Having a stadium like Allegiant.

880
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: Like Soul far what does that kind of afford the

881
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: organization it's fans when you put in a new stadium

882
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 2: like that, what kind of experiences do they draw upon

883
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: and what they get out of getting a new stadium

884
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: or something of that ilk.

885
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think, just just to clarify a

886
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 4: focus right now, we're looking at all options. Right our

887
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 4: lease is up in seven years, so you know, the

888
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 4: prudent thing is to start understanding how you can best

889
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: position the organization and the fan base in the future.

890
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 4: So you start, you start those things now. And our

891
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 4: focus has been on renovation, you know, focused in on

892
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 4: NRG and renovating the stadium to make it a world

893
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 4: class experience. We have world class fans, you know, we

894
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 4: want to show off the city of Houston. We want

895
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: to have a huge competitive advantage for the team on

896
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 4: the field when you come here and to do that.

897
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 4: You know that those are drivers and how we're looking

898
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 4: at this renovation and where we want to take an RG.

899
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 4: You know, my experience is on both sides. New builds

900
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 4: you named a number of them, but also significant renovations

901
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 4: as well. You know, I was fortunate enough to spend

902
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 4: a good amount of time on the renovation in Madrid

903
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 4: in Spain for Real Madrid. They did close to eight

904
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 4: hundred million dollar renovation of the Bernabeo. And when you

905
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 4: look at those things, it really forces you to prioritize

906
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 4: what is important and for us, fan experience is at

907
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 4: the top of that heap. How do you make sure,

908
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 4: as I said, this is a great place for Texans

909
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 4: fans to come and stay. This is a great place

910
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 4: to show off to the rest of the world. And

911
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 4: this is a great place for home advantage for our team.

912
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 4: So those are some of the things that really kind

913
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 4: of drive in that decision. And you know, being in

914
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 4: those past projects, you get again, you get to see

915
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 4: some best practices and you get to see some mistakes,

916
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 4: so we'll be able to bring that to the table.

917
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: We get this question from the listeners, viewers all the time,

918
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 3: so I'm going to ask you renovation. People come to

919
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: NRG Stadium and I always thought this stadium was great,

920
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: great place to watch a game. The site lines are amazing,

921
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: and you know, we got every stadium so we see that.

922
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: But when you say renovation, can you give some examples

923
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: of what that could possibly look like in the future.

924
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 4: Well, it's I'll stay at a high level because there's

925
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 4: a lot of detail to be flushed out and a

926
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 4: lot of work yet to do to get to a

927
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: crystallized vision. But you know, I think one of the

928
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 4: pieces is infrastructure. You think about how do you make

929
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 4: the building itself easier to operate, and that has an

930
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 4: impact on a number of different ways. How many shows

931
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 4: you can have come in, how easy it is to

932
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 4: get into the building, how easy it is to get

933
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 4: to your seat. There's a lot of operational push that

934
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: goes through buildings and where you look at buildings these days,

935
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: this is the stuff that fans don't see but they feel.

936
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 4: You know, there are a lot of buildings that you know,

937
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 4: as you get as you get more experience, you get

938
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 4: smarter in the sports industry, and so buildings are coming

939
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 4: out and they're more efficient, which is affording really better

940
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: experiences overall to the fan base and those who come

941
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 4: to the stadium. You know, that's one big focus on

942
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 4: a renovation. How do you do that with a building

943
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 4: that will ultimately be thirty years old at that point.

944
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 4: I think the other side is really the fan experience.

945
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 4: You know, how do you make sure we are offering

946
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 4: the best the sports industry really the globe has to

947
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 4: offer our fans. And again, there are other experiences that

948
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 4: are out there that you think about that make it

949
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 4: easier to come to the stadium earlier. It makes it

950
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 4: more appealing for fans, families and businesses to come to

951
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 4: the stadium earlier, stay longer. It's really about having specialized

952
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 4: opportunities that speak to what the different fans want and

953
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 4: how they use it. How do you go through and

954
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 4: make sure you're relevant to everyone that comes through. And

955
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 4: it's simple things like how quickly can you get from

956
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 4: the bathroom to your food back to your seat? You know,

957
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 4: how can you stay in touch with all the plays

958
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 4: that are going on at the field real time while

959
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 4: you're having this experience? So those are all drivers, you know.

960
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 4: We really think about those who are who are fans,

961
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 4: just hardcore fans who want to enjoy everything the Texans

962
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 4: have to bring and be drenched in that experience. We

963
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 4: think about those who want to bring their families out.

964
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 4: You know, this is a great place to bring families

965
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 4: as a place we want generations of Houstonians to be

966
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 4: for for a very long time, and so how do

967
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 4: you make it very easy for them to do that?

968
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 4: And then you think about our great business community. What

969
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 4: are the different ways that they like to entertain and

970
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 4: they want to grow their business? Do we have all

971
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: the products that can support, you know, their wants and

972
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 4: needs on that front.

973
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: I had this feeling that we would be talking with

974
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: Mike plenty over the next how many ever, weeks, months, years,

975
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: especially about this which in a lot of people were

976
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: talking about here swartz Raio six'.

977
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: Ten we Appreciate mike.

978
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 2: For stopping by and being with us this, week SO

979
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 2: i want to make sure that you guys had a

980
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: chance to hear that if you missed it the first.

981
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: Time to busy, Weekend gonna be a busy. Week New

982
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: league year Starts. Wednesday legal tampering Starts monday around. Lunchtime

983
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 2: we'll have it all for you On Texans All. Access

984
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: appreciate you being here.

985
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: With me this. Evening we'll see you On, monday and as,

986
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: always Go texans