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Speaker 1: Oh this one, you guys, Matt Nole fellow conspiracy realists.

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Speaker 1: Every so often some of the craziest conspiracy theories do

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Speaker 1: maybe not most of them, but some of them, some

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Speaker 2: Some of them are in this episode.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, we always talk about how the concept of a

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Speaker 3: with skepticism. But oftentimes they're worthy of a little bit

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Speaker 2: I can't remember which ones exactly are in here, but

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to re listen and find out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're right there with you.

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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.

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Speaker 3: Name is Norman.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. You are you, and you are

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Speaker 1: here that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: As always, we are accompanied by our super producer, Paul Decant,

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Speaker 1: who we nod to with great gratitude as always, thanks

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Speaker 1: for saving the show.

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Speaker 3: Paul. You drop the mission control.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, if you want to keep it,

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Speaker 3: It's a seasonal beast. You bring it out, you know,

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Speaker 3: around the holidays.

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Speaker 2: We can just call him mission critical.

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Speaker 3: Here you go.

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Speaker 1: His names are Legion.

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Speaker 2: Paul, Big crit, Decade, Paul, show saver, decade, show stopper.

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Speaker 3: Even it's ok if you wanted to stop it.

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Speaker 1: That's true, Paul. What what we'll do is we'll ask

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Speaker 1: the listeners to submit some nicknames. If you're okay with.

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Speaker 3: That, that's great, okay, and then we'll put up a

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Speaker 3: poll on here's where it gets crazy, the Facebook group

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Speaker 3: and have people vote on their favorite ones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Matt like you and I did with Agent

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Speaker 1: Scully or Alex Bones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's true almost Alex Bones.

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Speaker 1: Almost Alex Bones. Everything that we just said at the

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Speaker 1: top of the show, folks, turns out to be true,

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Speaker 1: although they may sound like rumors. We can substantiate all

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Speaker 1: of those things. Speaking of fantastic segues, that's what this

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Speaker 3: Some segue jitsu right there.

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Speaker 1: Man, it was matrix level. I'll admit not my best work.

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Speaker 1: That's true, but this is an important episode and it's

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Speaker 1: They don't have to be government oriented, just anything that

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Speaker 1: So we see buzzwords in so much of mass media.

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Speaker 1: That was worth it. So so this idea, this flat

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Speaker 2: and it's everybody.

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Speaker 3: Know what that hippie hyde Ashbury said, I told you so.

441
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, he's got like shut up, man, that's

442
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Speaker 3: not helpful.

443
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Speaker 1: He's got some stuff to work on with himself, I.

444
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Speaker 2: Think, And well that's not the only thing.

445
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So this came out in increments. First, the

446
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: news broke that yes, the US government was indeed spying

447
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: on people, but only certain high value targets. Their spying

448
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: on Leonard Peltier in the American Indian movement, right, who

449
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: they considered a domestic terrorist. Their spying on Martin Luther King,

450
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: whom they consider a destabilizing factor, John Lennon, Their spying

451
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: on John Lennon because of what, because of his perceived

452
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Speaker 1: left wing beliefs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then with coin pro counterintelligence program, they're going

454
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Speaker 2: through and actually doing this all like consistently a lot.

455
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Speaker 1: And then the next big milestone is the news breaks

456
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Speaker 1: about monitoring international communication, so only certain high value possibly

457
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Speaker 1: destabilizing domestic individuals or only international you know, phone calls

458
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Speaker 1: and stuff, because we want to stop terrorism. And those

459
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Speaker 1: existed as rumors, but they became substantiated by the acknowledgment

460
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Speaker 1: of stuff like Echelon or five Eyes, where a lot

461
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Speaker 1: of where five anglosphere countries agreed to pass the buck

462
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Speaker 1: and find loopholes in their own surveillance laws.

463
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Speaker 2: Right, So for the average American citizen, it's okay, Well,

464
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Speaker 2: if I travel to another country, maybe I'm being looked at.

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Speaker 2: Maybe if I'm a really important person in a movement somewhere,

466
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Speaker 2: I'm being looked at.

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Speaker 3: Right.

468
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Speaker 1: Maybe if I attended the same you know, Democratic Socialist

469
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Speaker 1: Party of America meeting with a celebrity or a musician,

470
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Speaker 1: I might be on a list. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe if I went to Kent State University for

472
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Speaker 2: any reason whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: But otherwise, normal Jane or John dosif they don't have

474
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Speaker 1: any they don't have any appeal, why would the FEDS

475
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Speaker 1: go to the massive trouble of putting them under a microscope.

476
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: It turns out, actually, yes, uh, they do have appeal,

477
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: And yes we did attract the attention. And yes, uncle

478
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: Sam was and is monitoring you. The same technological advances

479
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Speaker 1: that allow people to leak classified information very easily also

480
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: allow domestic surveillance to extend widely without exception. I mean, okay,

481
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Speaker 1: virtually without exception. These surveillance techniques depend on partnerships with

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Speaker 1: private businesses telecoms you know, AT and T, Verizon comcasts,

483
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Speaker 1: and social media platforms Instagram, Facebook.

484
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Speaker 2: What are the same company?

485
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Speaker 1: Same company? Yeah, there we go. I needed a different one, Thank.

486
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Speaker 2: You, Tumblr, tumbl Tumbsnapchat.

487
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Speaker 1: Is legislation that was pushed through in the wake of

488
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Speaker 1: public unease over terrorism that allowed, for the first time

489
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Speaker 1: in human history, the first time in human history allowed

490
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Speaker 1: the majority of a population to be intimately traced should

491
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Speaker 1: they catch the attention of the US government right now

492
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Speaker 1: when don't be too paranoid. We don't want to be

493
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: too alarmist right about this, but right now, if you

494
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: somehow rose to the level where you got personal attention

495
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Speaker 1: from the intelligence agencies in the US in a very

496
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: short amount of time, they could know more about you

497
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: than your loved ones know about you, which is a spooky,

498
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: spooky thing. And it doesn't matter whether or not you

499
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Speaker 1: have secrets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well. I mean, it doesn't matter if you're

501
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: a liar.

502
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: I'm just an enigma dog. Okay, I'm not a liar.

503
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Speaker 1: I was looking at keep it just keep it close

504
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: to the vest man. So that's okay. So that's one.

505
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: That's one thing that turned out to be absolutely true.

506
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: And this is happening as we record this episode. Not

507
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: for nothing have we made that running joke where we well,

508
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 1: I guess it's time to do it again, where we

509
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: apologize to that poor hypothetical Nessay, intern, who has to

510
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: listen to this show? I hope it's going all right, man,

511
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: haven't heard from you in a while.

512
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: I think he's listening to the show or monitoring our

513
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Speaker 3: personal phone calls.

514
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Speaker 1: He might be doing both. I mean, it's tough to

515
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Speaker 1: be an intern. He probably has like a transcript on

516
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Speaker 1: one thing and he's listening to the audio one.

517
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Speaker 3: On one side, yea yeah, and then another on the

518
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Speaker 3: other and wait, a multitask. Do we have a name

519
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Speaker 3: for him?

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Speaker 1: We used to call him Steve, but interns turnover so quickly.

521
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Speaker 1: I wonder if it's a new guy now.

522
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Speaker 3: Or he's a pretty common name, though it could be

523
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: a different guy named Steve at this point.

524
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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he has a maybe as a government assigned name,

525
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: and it's just like Johnny Blank.

526
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Speaker 3: He's just a Russian bot now, maybe it is.

527
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Speaker 2: And can we call our intern Ricky that way? It

528
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Speaker 2: could be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Ricky. Well, we hope school is going well

530
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: for you and school school. Stick with it, Van, I

531
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: hope your summer is going all right. Feel free to

532
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: write to us conspiracy HowStuffWorks dot Com. On that note,

533
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: there's another subgenre of what we're often called conspiracy theories

534
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: that turned out to be absolutely and in this case,

535
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: horrifically true. In the years of World War Two leading

536
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: up to it and during the war, the American public

537
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: was sold this fantastic, idealistic, shining image of what the

538
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: US was and what the US would become. The United States. Okay,

539
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: everybody on, here's where it gets crazy. I'm trying to

540
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: hit the t the US. Oh man, Yeah, it's gonna

541
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: it's the battle has been fought. Yeah, I accept that.

542
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: I think it's hilarious. I appreciate it.

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00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: Don't don't don't justify these monsters.

544
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: It Wasn't it better though, when it was YouTube commenters

545
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: with just awful screen names saying it's because it made

546
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Speaker 2: it feel yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it because there would be very salient points.

548
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: There would be people writing four paragraph essays that had fantastic,

549
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: fantastic perspectives, and then their names would be like surfer

550
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: Boy booty Time twelve. Yeah, I'm like, wow, that's a

551
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: great point. Surfer Boy booty time.

552
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: There it is Traveler twelve.

553
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that. That should be like a raunchy comedy.

554
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Speaker 1: It's one heck of a weird pickup line. But so

555
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: the the US and the Allies were portrayed as inarguably

556
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Speaker 1: the good guys, with a nation united behind them. Every

557
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: red blooded Jane and John Doseph was doing their part,

558
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Speaker 1: whether you're at home or you're on the front, to

559
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Speaker 1: prevent the dastardly Axis powers from sowing chaos and atrocity

560
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: across Europe, North Africa, Asia, and possibly beyond. And there

561
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: was propaganda that came out, propaganda plenty that portrayed the

562
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Speaker 1: Axis as insanely violent powers, raping, pillaging, murdering, and even

563
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Speaker 1: experimenting on innocent people in their possession. Of course, the

564
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: weird thing about the propaganda was the racist stuff was

565
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: completely inaccurate, obviously, but the propaganda about the violence was

566
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: largely accurate in a very disturbing way. And by implication,

567
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: what this propaganda did was say that the US and

568
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: the Allies were the polar opposite of Axis forces, fighting

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Speaker 1: for the safety and dignity of these strangers oceans away,

570
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Speaker 1: just because we're good people, Yeah.

571
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Speaker 2: That decent, you know, we're fighting for justice for all.

572
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Speaker 1: Now, there were a few outliers, anti war activists, or

573
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: anyone who had the goal to suggest that the US

574
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: was not as clean and un besmirched as it would

575
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: have its citizens believe. They were at best dismissed. They

576
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: were most often accused of being spies or traders, and

577
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: in some occasions they were completely blackballed from their own industries,

578
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: or they were persecuted by the government up to and

579
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Speaker 1: including criminal charges and jail time.

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Speaker 2: Or you know, they were put into prison camps like

581
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Speaker 2: most of the Japanese American citizens.

582
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Speaker 1: Right, or they were put into asylums because they were crazy.

583
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: How could you say this stuff about Uncle Sam?

584
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: Hey? Ugh, isn't he like a fictional character?

585
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: He is based on a real person?

586
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: Is right?

587
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

588
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: An episode on that maybe yet I don't know if.

589
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: But what what actually happened? Though?

590
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 3: Well? Actually turns out that the US was conducting illegal

591
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: experiments on its own citizens, yes, as well as foreign populations.

592
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: For decades. During World War Two and the years following,

593
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Speaker 3: the government paid particularly close attention to the effects of

594
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Speaker 3: radiation on human beings. I wonder why, Ben, Yeah, I

595
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: wonder why looking to see how things might pan out

596
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Speaker 3: in some sort of dystopian future.

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Speaker 1: Ding Ding give them that. As cigar passim in Omaha,

598
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Speaker 1: Steak used to win this round. It is absolutely true.

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Speaker 1: It's a good thing. They volunteered, right kidding. They had

600
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: no idea, They had no idea what was happening. They

601
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: were unsuspecting. Beginning roughly nineteen forty five, scientists working directly

602
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: for the US government conducted at least at least thirty

603
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: separate programs in which they knowingly and purposely exposed innocent

604
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Speaker 1: US citizens to life changing or in many cases, life

605
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: ending amounts of radiation. This is shortly after the discovery

606
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Speaker 1: of plutonium in the early nineteen forties. In one case,

607
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: they directly shot people up with plutonium just to see

608
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Speaker 1: what would happen.

609
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: Didn't give them like superpowers instantly.

610
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Speaker 1: If pain is a superpower, then they were like they

611
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: they took eighteen people who had terminal illnesses and they said,

612
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: we were going to give you experimental treatments. We are

613
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: going to we may not be able to save your life,

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Speaker 1: and we cannot predict the side effects. Both of those

615
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: things were technically true. They said, but it may lengthen

616
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Speaker 1: your lifespan. And this gets really dirty, really quick.

617
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Speaker 3: Because that wasn't even sort of true. The lengthening of

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Speaker 3: the lifespan thing, that was just sort of like a hook.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and Deadpool, yeah exactly exactly. So what they

620
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Speaker 1: were doing, what they were actually doing, that is, was

621
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Speaker 1: they were hoping to take the information they gained, just

622
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Speaker 1: like you had said, and use it to plan for

623
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Speaker 1: scenarios where the US suffered a direct nuclear hit conditions.

624
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Speaker 1: And they also gave children and pregnant mothers food and

625
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Speaker 1: drink riddled with a radiation because they said, well, how

626
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Speaker 1: will there'll be pregnant women when the nukes hit? What

627
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: will happen. Let's sacrifice you know, a handful of actual

628
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Speaker 1: children now, with the rationale being that we're doing it

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Speaker 1: so we can save kids later.

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Speaker 3: I remember that guy we talked about on the other show,

631
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Speaker 3: Ridiculous History had the poison squad who purposefully ate poison

632
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: contaminants and food. Yeah, that was volunteer Harvey. Yeah, Harvey.

633
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Speaker 3: But this is way more nefarious and terrifying.

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Speaker 1: It comes from the same mindset though, you know. So

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Speaker 1: here's the other part. They took active soldiers that they

636
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Speaker 1: would later send the war, and they marched them over

637
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: radioactive dirt at active test sites. And then when these

638
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: non consenting patients died with no knowledge that they were dying,

639
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: of radiation poisoning. The US government would go back in

640
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Speaker 1: secret and rob their graves to study their remains, including infants.

641
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Speaker 1: So we're talking digging up children, cutting off limbs, seeing

642
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: what happens.

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Speaker 3: Well, who was doing the digging? Was it just low

644
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Speaker 3: level like office cross Well?

645
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so there one thing we know about for sure

646
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: is this thing called Project Sunshine.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like fun.

648
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice, doesn't It sounds wonderful. I think it

649
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: has more to do with the brightness of an atomic

650
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: blast than anything else.

651
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 3: Or the fact that sunshine gives you cancer.

652
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very true. So in this it was the

653
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Speaker 2: United States Atomic Energy Commission along with the thing that

654
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Speaker 2: would eventually become the RAND Corporation, working together. So it

655
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Speaker 2: was somebody employed by them, either direct employees or contract workers.

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Speaker 2: And what they would do this is, let's say, what

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Speaker 2: they wanted to do. They wanted to study the effects

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Speaker 2: of strontium ninety, which was the most dangerous isotope radioactive

659
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Speaker 2: isotope that exists as nuclear fallout. And they knew this

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Speaker 2: from a previous project. And in this case they wanted

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Speaker 2: to stuff especially young human flesh, and the effects of

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Speaker 2: strontium ninety. So, as Ben was saying, like looking at

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Speaker 2: people who they had already kind of dosed with or

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Speaker 2: experimented with and then dug up their bodies. In this case,

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Speaker 2: they're trying to find recently deceased bodies, specifically infants, young children,

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Speaker 2: and that kind of thing, get tissue samples, and then

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Speaker 2: test those samples. So they would do everything from go

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Speaker 2: to a morgue and take an arm of a you know,

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Speaker 2: a child that had recently deceased without asking their family members,

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Speaker 2: without asking anyone if they could use it, and then

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Speaker 2: testing it and then disposing of it later. And they

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Speaker 2: there were at least fifteen hundred test subjects in Project

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Speaker 2: Sunshine geese or just deceased victims became or pieces of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you would say many, most, if not all,

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Speaker 3: of those came from the act of grave robbing.

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Speaker 2: It's not a lot of It wasn't grave robbing, it

677
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Speaker 2: was it was it.

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Speaker 3: Was sneaking samples from more glifting more glift.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a there's a place you can go

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Speaker 2: just really quickly if you want to check this out

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Speaker 2: on rand dot org. Actually you can find it and

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Speaker 2: it is Worldwide Effects of Atomic Weapons Project Sunshine in

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Speaker 2: its dated August sixth, nineteen fifty three.

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Speaker 1: Oh go, I know I figured out the worst phrase

685
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Speaker 1: for this, morg mooching. Oh yeah, that's a rough one.

686
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Speaker 1: On a side note, with this, we find an interesting

687
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Speaker 1: biographical tale here. It is the tale of Albert Stevens.

688
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: Albert Stevens was someone who fell into the web of

689
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Speaker 1: illegal government radiation experiments in the US in nineteen forty five.

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Speaker 1: He was a fifty eight year old house painter. He

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Speaker 1: had been told that he was suffering from terminal cancer

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Speaker 1: with only months to live. The truth is that he

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Speaker 1: was suffering from a severe gastric but he had doctors

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Speaker 1: tell him it was cancer. So he was admitted to

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Speaker 1: the University of California San Francisco Medical Center to treat

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Speaker 1: the cancer that he did not have to get cough

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Speaker 1: cough treatment.

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Speaker 3: Cough cough, what's cough cough treatment?

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Speaker 1: Cough cough treatment? Is me really pointing out that they

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Speaker 1: were lying.

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Speaker 3: To Oh I see how I got.

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Speaker 1: You got it? So this guy, this poor guy, Albert, he,

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Speaker 1: as he says, given a few months to live. On

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Speaker 1: May tenth of that year, scientists working for Uncle Sam,

705
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: pretending to treat the cancer that he did not have

706
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: secretly shot him up with the single largest amount of

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Speaker 1: plutonium a human being has ever received to the modern

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Speaker 1: day is just under one microgram.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: The sample had two different isotopes of plutonium, was a cocktail.

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Speaker 1: One of the isotopes was weekly radioactive, so still dangerous,

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Speaker 1: but not an immediate death sentence. It had a half

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Speaker 1: life of twenty four one hundred years. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: the other highly radioactive isotope had a half life of

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Speaker 1: about eighty seven a little less than eighty eight years. He

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Speaker 1: received free medical and additional testing for the rest of

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Speaker 1: his life from the same group that riddled his body

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Speaker 1: with radiation, and his family thought this experimental cancer treatment

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Speaker 1: was working because he didn't have cancer and he lived

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Speaker 1: more than a few months. In fact, he lived twenty

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Speaker 1: one years suffering the effects of this cartoonish amount of

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Speaker 1: plutonium that stayed in his system, in his bones, in

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Speaker 1: his skin, in his organs. His spine was degrading at

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Speaker 1: a horrific rate. His eyes were fighting a losing battle

725
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Speaker 1: with cataracts. And he was still there with the doctors

726
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Speaker 1: who were cough cough treating kauf cough him and they

727
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Speaker 1: conducted operations while he was alive to remove parts of

728
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Speaker 1: his organs to see what was happening to them, took

729
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Speaker 1: his spleen, parts of his liver, as pancreas, his lymph nodes.

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Speaker 1: His family the whole time is saying, Wow, it's amazing

731
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Speaker 1: that you have survived cancer. Thank you for this experimental treatment.

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Speaker 1: He died twenty one years later on January ninth, nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty six, of a heart attack. So during those twenty

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Speaker 1: one years he was alive, he received more radiation than

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Speaker 1: any other living human being, sixty times the government's maximum

736
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Speaker 1: safe lifetime exposure threshold, which turns out is a real thing. Yeah,

737
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Speaker 1: and now it feels like a ticking clock every time

738
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Speaker 1: you have to go through the airport's security line or

739
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Speaker 1: use a microwave, wow, or get an X ray.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's a ton of radiation that this gentleman

741
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Speaker 2: had pumped into his body. And here's the thing. We've

742
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Speaker 2: been talking about all these radiation experiments, but we're about

743
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Speaker 2: to get into something that is a very different kind

744
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Speaker 2: of horror, and we're going to get into that. After

745
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Speaker 2: a quick word from our sponsoro.

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Speaker 1: We're back. We hope you had an enjoyable break we did. Yeah,

747
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Speaker 1: we had to take a second too. We had to

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Speaker 1: take a second to reset because this is the darkest

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Speaker 1: part of today's episode, Like you know the scene in

750
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: Willy Wonka where everything gets very spooky and terrifying and

751
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: disturbing as the as the boat goes through the tunnel.

752
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Speaker 1: This is the dark tunnel of the show and it's

753
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: unfortunately a serious thing. There was for a long time

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theory roundly dismissed throughout the United Kingdom in Europe

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Speaker 1: as a whole, and for decades, people like David Ike,

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Speaker 1: musicians like Johnny Rotten, and various former members of Britain's

757
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Speaker 1: entertainment industry or even its government alluded to this conspiracy

758
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: and they were ignored. They were roundly ignored. Depending on

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Speaker 1: their social standing, they were simply dismissed or they were ridiculed.

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Speaker 1: And the conspiracy was this that there was an active,

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Speaker 1: ongoing child abuse network in the UK, and furthermore that

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Speaker 1: members of the entertainment industry and the government, the people

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Speaker 1: with their hands at the levers of power, were colluding

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Speaker 1: to cover this up. Not to cover it up and

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Speaker 1: stop it, but to stop people from reporting it as

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Speaker 1: it continued.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So.

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Speaker 1: These people who alluded to this, many of them were

769
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Speaker 1: convinced that there was this child abuse network and that

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Speaker 1: it was being actively covered up. Some of them, like

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Speaker 1: David Ike, were dismissed as crack or Johnny Rotten was

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Speaker 1: dismissed sometimes as their version of an Internet troll, just

773
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Speaker 1: intentionally poking the bear, attempting to be edgy through making

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Speaker 1: controversial statements.

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Speaker 3: From the pistols. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. There were a couple of interviews where he would

777
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Speaker 2: hint at knowing people high up in the entertainment industry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, John Leiden, it's his name, yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: when you and you originally said Johnny Rotten, I thought

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Speaker 3: maybe this was like a screen name or something. They

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Speaker 3: didn't realize it was actual the Johnny Rotten. I didn't

782
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Speaker 3: know this part of his story. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the same dismissal went for people who alleged their

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Speaker 1: careers have been threatened not just in the entertainment industry,

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Speaker 1: but in law enforcement as well when they attempted to

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Speaker 1: blow the whistle on what they saw as an intergenerational

787
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Speaker 1: cycle of crime. The people named as criminals and frankly

788
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Speaker 1: monsters in this situation included numerous MP's government officials, aristocrats,

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Speaker 1: perhaps most notoriously the one that we know about in

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Speaker 1: the US, the very creepy children's entertainer and DJ, the

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Speaker 1: late Jimmy Seville.

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Speaker 2: Ye like this story just to point out here, members

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Speaker 2: of Parliament is MPs just in case. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why that just came to mind.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking military police in my head for a moment.

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Speaker 3: I was like, no, sull parliament funkadelic.

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Speaker 2: Yes, members of parliament funkadelic who also make laws in

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Speaker 2: the audit Kingdom?

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Speaker 3: Funk.

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Speaker 1: Is there a venn diagram here? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I think it's good to point that out because remember,

804
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Speaker 1: we thought everyone knew about Matt Libb.

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Speaker 2: I know now I'm paranoid about everything.

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Speaker 3: Oh you didn't get them at the book fair, you guys.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. We can't assume that everyone

808
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Speaker 3: had the same upbringing, right he did. We all kind

809
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Speaker 3: of grew up in this part of the neck of

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Speaker 3: the woods. So I don't even know if they have

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Speaker 3: scholastic book fairs everywhere else in the country.

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Speaker 2: I don't know everywhere really, Yep.

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Speaker 3: It was a touring thing they had, like road cases

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Speaker 3: full of these books.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what they didn't have everywhere is Jimmy Seville dancing

816
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Speaker 2: around on stage talking to children and being completely not creepy.

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Speaker 1: Top of the pops right, and people was yes, So

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Speaker 1: here's what actually happened. Here's what gave truth to what

819
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Speaker 1: was dismissed as a conspiracy theory, sometimes so vehemently that

820
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: it ruined people's careers if they said they thought any

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Speaker 1: part of it was true. As several of these people

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Speaker 1: were universally men passed away after they were dead. This

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Speaker 1: is important, after they were beyond the bounds of mortal

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Speaker 1: judgment or a human legal system. The press was finally

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Speaker 1: allowed to admit. Oh yes, turns out that is true.

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Speaker 1: People like Jimmy Saville and Cyril Smith were admitted and

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Speaker 1: proven to be serial abusers and quite prolific. Jimmy Seville

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Speaker 1: in particular, was not just sexually assaulting children, who was

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Speaker 1: also purposely targeting disabled children. And to add a a

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Speaker 1: little bit of uh morbid icing on the cake here,

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Speaker 1: there's pretty compelling evidence that he was sexually assaulting corpses

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Speaker 1: as well at one of the non at one of

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Speaker 1: the hospitals. Yeah, he was I think on the board

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Speaker 1: of Is.

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Speaker 3: There any sense that he had like people colluding with

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Speaker 3: him on this or oh my god, yeah.

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Speaker 1: If not, if not actively participating these things with him

838
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Speaker 1: the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if we're probably not going to go into a

840
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Speaker 2: ton of the details about these guys. I think that's

841
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Speaker 2: as detailed as we'll get as far as what they did.

842
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Speaker 2: But if you have the stomach for it and you

843
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 2: want to know what a real monster is, like, we

844
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: were discussing off Mike Cyril Smith and stuff that he

845
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: was known to be doing after the fact, so you

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Speaker 2: can look it up if you wish, but we're probably

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Speaker 2: not going to discuss it here, right.

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Speaker 1: So we bring this up, and this is very heavy

849
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Speaker 1: stuff because it is important for this to be separated

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Speaker 1: from that dismissive realm of conspiracy theory. Yes, okay, David

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Speaker 1: Ike has said a lot of things that cannot be

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Speaker 1: proven true. It turns out you can call it a

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Speaker 1: you can call it that thing where maybe a broken

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00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: clock is right twice a day or something like that,

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Speaker 1: call it whatever you want. It turns out that this

856
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: cover up, at least partially is absolutely true. This is

857
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Speaker 1: conspiracy fact, at least in the broad strokes of the

858
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: claims and accusations these powerful men were literally getting away

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Speaker 1: with incredibly violent, reprehensible crimes with the knowing and continual

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Speaker 1: support of facets of the UK government.

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Speaker 2: And you might ask why why, knowing, how did the

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Speaker 2: government know about that? You have to remember a lot

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Speaker 2: of this is either an MP of some a part

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Speaker 2: of the government, or somebody like Jimmy Seville who is

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Speaker 2: working directly for the government through the British Broadcasting Corporation.

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Speaker 1: And hobnobbing with the aristocracy, receiving commendations of plenty. So

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Speaker 1: we do have to acknowledge that while the broad strokes

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Speaker 1: of this are true, the rumors went even further and

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Speaker 1: continued to do so, claiming that there might be some

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Speaker 1: sort of occult aspect to these crimes, claiming that absolutely

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Speaker 1: everyone was involved or is involved, and we don't know,

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Speaker 1: We don't have proof of that. But what we do

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Speaker 1: have proof of is that numerous files implicating living retired

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Speaker 1: members of the UK government, some of whom may have

875
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: passed away by now, have gone missing. And despite multiple

876
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: calls for investigation from the British public and some less

877
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: cynical government officials who are trying to do right by

878
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: their constituents. This series of events seems set to play

879
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: out like the notorious Detroux affair in Belgium. Yes, just

880
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: troublingly similar.

881
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah wow, And we have to remember that

882
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: it's also so here even in the US, not so

883
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: much at a federal government level something like this occurring.

884
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 2: But in nineteen eighty eight, something similar did happen in Omaha, Nebraska,

885
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 2: where there was a community federal credit union that was

886
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 2: it was raided by federal agents and it was found

887
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: out that there was this guy named Lawrence E. Larry

888
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: King who was behind some serious things. There are allegations

889
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 2: of child sex trafficking and prostitution and rape and all

890
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 2: kinds of things with boys young boys that came out

891
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: as an actual occurrence here within the United States. These

892
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: kinds of things have happened over the years, and we

893
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: just have to keep in mind that it's not always

894
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory.

895
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: Right, And we have to also be respectful of the

896
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: victims involved, whether those are the direct victims of the

897
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: crimes or the people who who were somehow punished for

898
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: bringing that stuff to light when it was occurring.

899
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: Even the people that get slandered on the sidelines that

900
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 2: actually don't have anything to do with it, but they

901
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: get caught up in maybe the larger parts or the

902
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: fringes of the theory.

903
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: Because this is the kind of red meat that sells

904
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: in tabloids, you know, so a news organization or a

905
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: tabloid entertainment outfit would be incentivized to report this kind

906
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: of stuff.

907
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 3: Well, look at this stuff with the Vatican that's been

908
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: trickling out over the past few years. And we recently

909
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 3: had the Pope come out and apologize for standing behind

910
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 3: one of these archbishops that had like clearly covered up

911
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: a lot of these sex crimes by you know, priests,

912
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 3: and he, you know, our current are the current Pope

913
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: came out and said, hey, I made a mistake. That's

914
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 3: a big deal. And talk about a conspiracy. I mean,

915
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: like that's something that's been going back generations and that's

916
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: just been covered up and covered up. And now finally

917
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: in the wake of everything that's going on with all

918
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: these sex abuse criminals being brought to justice or at

919
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 3: least brought to light, it's this critical mass, you know.

920
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 3: And then also have this pope that's a little bit

921
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 3: more human than we're used to and will come out

922
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 3: and own up to this stuff. It's interesting to.

923
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: See, it really is, and we can only hope, we

924
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: can only hope that substantive change comes out about this.

925
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: But for the case of the UK cover ups, the

926
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: scariest part of the story is how much we don't know.

927
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: We do not know if it stopped, We do not

928
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: know if it continues today. We do not know who's involved,

929
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: how they might be connected, or what people in the

930
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: UK can do to try and prevent children in their

931
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: country from falling into the clutches of this kind of thing.

932
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: If it's still happening. Again, it would be unfair for

933
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: us to say it's definitely still happening. We don't know

934
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: because all the reports about it keep disappearing. Yeah, but

935
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: we can't end on that note. Nope, I need to

936
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: don't go in a little long. But we can't end

937
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: completely on that note. Maybe we can talk about a

938
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: mad science conspiracy theory that turned out to be true.

939
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 2: That sounds fun, but is it government related?

940
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: It is?

941
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: Okay, well, then let's do it.

942
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, we'll do one more.

943
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: Matt will allow it.

944
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: Thank you, Matt. Here's the here's the gist. It sounded

945
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: like something straight out of a dime store fiction novel.

946
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: A brilliant, super villainous organization uses the weather patterns of

947
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: Earth itself as a weapon. For years. Let's let's go

948
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: back to that man on the street situation that Matt

949
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: brought up earlier. For years, people would have situations where

950
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: someone runs up to them and it's like, man, you

951
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: know what they're doing up there in Alaska, up at

952
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: that harp. They're changing the weather man. Global warming is

953
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: made by Uncle Sam.

954
00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: Consistently, tornadoes come from harp and nast hurricanes.

955
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: It's a twister.

956
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: It turns out that.

957
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: Hey, wait, are they making hurricanes too? They're making hurricanes.

958
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: So let's throw in a British guy so it doesn't

959
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: seem like.

960
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 3: We're we're Southern.

961
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: We can't do that.

962
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: We can. That's exactly That's exactly why we can think.

963
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: So I think, so, hey, did you hear them making

964
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: blizzards too?

965
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: There we go sick of all these blizzards.

966
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: Blizzards everywhere I'm up here in New York City.

967
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: Were losing were like listeners, Hey have you heard of harp?

968
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: Hey, they're changing the weather like a mad bastard.

969
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 2: It's a delicious beverage.

970
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: HARP So okay, so hopefully we didn't rag off this

971
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: off too much, but it was a very popular thing,

972
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: often dismissed as a conspiracy theory, if not HARP, specifically

973
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: the idea of weather modification. People were dismissed as total

974
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: tinfoil hat nut jobs, and the mass media would say, no,

975
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: one can control the weather, you guys, that's what's the next?

976
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: What's next? Do they think we're being literal when we

977
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: say it's raining cats and dogs? Back to you, Janis.

978
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: They were dismissed. But it turns out, actually, while there

979
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: is no solid proof that HARP ever was intentionally affecting

980
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: the weather, and a lot of HARP stuff is not

981
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: once you dig into the files, it's not near as

982
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 1: mysterious or sexy as you might think. It is still

983
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: pretty vague, admittedly, but if we bracket HARP out of there,

984
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: there's absolutely proof that multiple governments, not just the US,

985
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: also notably China, have experimented with weather and continue to

986
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: experiment with it both as an agricultural tool and as

987
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: a weapon. And guess which one our country used it for?

988
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: Just you know, yeah, I mean, you guys already know

989
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: what are.

990
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 3: You talking about the rain making supervillain?

991
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: Ye, well that's one, but the US government in Vietnam

992
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: used weather as a weapon to combat communist forces.

993
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 3: Okay, cool, because we know another story about a guy

994
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 3: who tried to save San Diego from a drought and

995
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 3: claimed that he could manipulate the weather by shooting this

996
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 3: like special cocktail of chemicals up into the clouds that

997
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 3: he had devised, and supposedly it worked so well that

998
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: it flooded the reservoir and caused thousands of dollars of

999
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 3: damages and they ran the guy out of town on

1000
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 3: a rail. Uh and he you know, didn't get paid

1001
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 3: a yeah.

1002
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did the work. Though he did do the work.

1003
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: But then wasn't there a thing too where like this

1004
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 3: was used. Cloud seating technology was used like as a

1005
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 3: kind of a firework display at the Olympics.

1006
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, to prevent to prevent winter weather coming into

1007
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 2: Moscow a couple of times Moscow and a couple other places. Yeah.

1008
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: For some reason, I thought I read that it was

1009
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 3: like used as part of the like some sort of

1010
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 3: like big showy display.

1011
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I mean, the thing is whether modification technology,

1012
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,479
Speaker 1: specifically cloud seating, which is the most well known form

1013
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: of this this technology, we still don't know exactly what

1014
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: it is capable of. Just like all the mad scientists

1015
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 1: from those previously mentioned dime store sci fi novels, we're

1016
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: messing with things we don't understand. Maybe there is some

1017
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: things man was not meant to do. Maybe we spend

1018
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: so much time asking ourselves if we could do something

1019
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: that we skip the part where we ask ourselves whether

1020
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: we should do a thing.

1021
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 3: Just a quick aside, China did spend apparently thirty million

1022
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 3: dollars to make it rain in advance of the opening ceremony.

1023
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: In two two thousand and eight.

1024
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 3: Right, that's right, yes, exactly, And that's that's the one

1025
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 3: I had. Oh yeah, yeah, yah, I was misunderstanding it.

1026
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 3: I knew had to do with the opening ceremonies. But

1027
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 3: they were literally trying to control the weather so that

1028
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 3: it would would rain earlier and not when they wanted

1029
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 3: it to look nice and pretty.

1030
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: So we still have the rain, just change the schedule exactly.

1031
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 3: But it's controversial. And they used salt and mineral filled

1032
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: bullets they shot in the sky, much like our rain

1033
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 3: making super villain in San Diego.

1034
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: They used cannons specifically. Yeah, and they still China still

1035
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: has a weather modification bureau. They're much more transparent about

1036
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: it than the US ever was, so kudos to them.

1037
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: They're also arguably largely using that as an agricultural technology.

1038
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: We used it as a weapon, hoping to trigger mud slides,

1039
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: disrupt trading, communication, and transit routes during the Vietnam War

1040
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: conflicts in Southeast Asia right now as we're recording this.

1041
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: Both of these countries can reproduce these effects today at

1042
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: any given time. All they need is a place to

1043
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: set up the sky guns, the weather guns, and then

1044
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: they can let it roll. But the problem is this,

1045
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: you might ask yourself, well, if they can do that,

1046
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: why are we having so many reports of catastrophic climate

1047
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: related events occurring. The thing is, both of these countries

1048
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: can mess with the controls of the world's global weather

1049
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: system to a small degree, but neither of them can

1050
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: control the consequences of what happens. Because don't think of

1051
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: the weather like a string that you can pull with

1052
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: that leads to a cloud that makes rain. When you

1053
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: pull the string, instead, it's a lot more like a web,

1054
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: and you pull a piece of the web you affect

1055
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: the rest of it.

1056
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. We also can't control any of the large mechanisms

1057
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: like the airflow around the Earth. We can't affect how

1058
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,919
Speaker 2: the northern leaves are going to be affected. We can't

1059
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: do anything like that currently, at least, what we know

1060
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: about is just adding moisture or taking it away essentially.

1061
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we don't know how that affects things like

1062
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: So with the case that Nol just mentioned earlier with

1063
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: Charles Mallory Hatfield out in San Diego, the same thing happened.

1064
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: We can create the effect, but we have no means

1065
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: of controlling it. So imagine that you have this tremendously

1066
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: power like Okay, let's seene of it this way. Let's

1067
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: say you have a gigantic plane and you can do

1068
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: two things with the plane. You can make it so

1069
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: that it never flies, or you can start it and

1070
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: you can get it up in the air. Once it's

1071
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: in the air, the controls don't work. You don't know

1072
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. It goes where it wants, it crashes,

1073
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: it can drop a bomb who knows, it hits another

1074
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: plane who knows. And that may be one of the

1075
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: primary reasons that we don't see more weather modification happening

1076
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: now because the technology is the basis of it is

1077
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: pretty easy to understand, so other governments can do it.

1078
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: There are a couple of international agreements where people say, oh, okay,

1079
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: we're not gonna use the weather as a weapon.

1080
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 3: But not an exact science though. Right, it's kind of

1081
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 3: rolling the dice, like there's a lot of factors in play,

1082
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 3: like you're, you're, you're, you're making the initial you know, shot,

1083
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 3: but after that it's out of your hand. It's in

1084
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 3: in God's hands.

1085
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: As they say, yeah, you can't, uh, you have no control, right,

1086
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: And this this is uh, this is just one example

1087
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: of a conspiracy theory based in science that turned out

1088
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: to be absolutely true. At this point, we are scratching

1089
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: the surface. We hope while you're listening you have taken

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Speaker 1: note of other things that were once portrayed as conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theories that turned out to be absolutely true.

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Speaker 3: If that is the.

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Speaker 1: Case, we'd like to hear from you. What what what

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Speaker 1: events or phenomena have you found to be at least

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Speaker 1: partially true. It doesn't have to be all the way true,

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Speaker 1: because as we know, rumors accrete, they grow exponentially but

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Speaker 1: have you found anything that people thought was other utter

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Speaker 1: hogwash that had a pearl amid the amid the swine

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Speaker 1: of deception or misinformation? And also also one thing, what

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Speaker 1: do you guys think about doing some thank yous at

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Speaker 1: the end credits at the end. Sure well, First, thank

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Speaker 1: you very much Paul, Mission Critical set for this episode,

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Speaker 1: big big Chrit. Yes, no, thanks Paul, Thanks Paul, Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much to super producer Paul. Thank you very much

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Speaker 1: to our the person who does our write ups for

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Speaker 1: our podcast, Diana Brown. Every time we have a podcast

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Speaker 1: come out, you can find on how stuff works a

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Speaker 1: quick summation of what's happening. You know. If you want

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Speaker 1: to share it around with your friends, please do so.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Sarah Glyme who takes care of a lot

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Speaker 2: of that work for us too, working with them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially most importantly, thank you to you, and

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Speaker 1: thank you to the folks who have joined Here's where

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Speaker 1: it gets crazy in mass We were talking about this

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Speaker 1: earlier today.

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Speaker 3: They have been just rolling in. Yeah, little doggies like

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Speaker 3: little badgers, but good badgers, badgers of kindness and friendship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we appreciate you hanging out with us over there.

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Speaker 2: We will be on there periodically to discuss things, post things.

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Speaker 2: We'll be looking at your posts for sure, so join us.

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Speaker 3: Tell your friends keep your nose cleaner. We'll ban you.

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