Speaker 1: The volume. What's Up, Everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond
Speaker 1: Green Show. What's Up, Everybody? Welcome back to The Draymond
Speaker 1: Green Show with Baron Davis. We are live. We got
Speaker 1: the legend BD, what's happening? What's happening? And we got
Speaker 1: So there's this clip that goes around and I see
Speaker 1: it all the time. It's this clip that go around.
Speaker 1: We're playing against the Lakers when I was a young
Speaker 1: guy in the league, maybe like my first and second year,
Speaker 1: because this guy's oldest dirt now, so you know, it
Speaker 1: gotta be my first and second year. And there something happens.
Speaker 1: We get into her and I turn and it's like
Speaker 1: it's run. It's mattering.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: By the way, just so we're clear, I don't know
Speaker 1: whether I don't know whether I should call him Ron Meta,
Speaker 1: but because I think that there's a respect level, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call him Ron. And when this thing is happening now,
Speaker 1: people go back and they play the clip like he
Speaker 1: knew better, and it's like I was actually so unhipped
Speaker 1: in I didn't know better, Like I actually would just
Speaker 1: do anything then, like the person that people think I
Speaker 1: am now, I actually was then and I was like
Speaker 1: I didn't know any better, like I would have did
Speaker 1: anything then. But I'm saying that I'll just be one
Speaker 1: hundred percent honest with you on this particular intro because
Speaker 1: this guy is an NBA champion, and just because you're
Speaker 1: I used to respect NBA champions. I actually don't just
Speaker 1: respect people because they're NBA champions anymore. But this guy
Speaker 1: in particular, I have the utmost respect for because of
Speaker 1: how he played the game, how he went about his business.
Speaker 1: To be like, you all don't know what it is
Speaker 1: to be a superstar player in the NBA and then
Speaker 1: accept the role. I've never been a superstar in the
Speaker 1: NBA from a scoring standpoint, but I know what it
Speaker 1: means to accept the role, and so I know what
Speaker 1: those two things mean. And to be a superstar in
Speaker 1: the NBA and average twenty plus points a game and
Speaker 1: then say like, yo, I can still average twenty plus
Speaker 1: points a game, but I'm gonna actually take on this
Speaker 1: role so that I can be a champion. I got
Speaker 1: the utmost respect for that, and so.
Speaker 3: B D and R are.
Speaker 1: Honored lucky to have this next guess on the show. BD,
Speaker 1: you can bring it in, but I just want you
Speaker 1: all to know how honored I am to have this
Speaker 1: next guess on the show. A guy who's won championships,
Speaker 1: a guy who go about his business the way he
Speaker 1: go about his business, way we go about our business.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 1: Like people call us dumb, they call us stupid, they
Speaker 1: call us loose cannons. They say, we don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on, and yet we know everything that's going on.
Speaker 1: And so I'm honored to have this next guest. But BD,
Speaker 1: you bring it in because it just makes more sense
Speaker 1: for you to bring it in. B D.
Speaker 2: A Swiss Army knife of moves, the epitome of a
Speaker 2: two way player, plus more, the harder Queens New York,
Speaker 2: Queensbridge stand up, the as of New York basketball, the
Speaker 2: legacy Laker, future Hall of Famer, streetball Hall of Famer, rapper, investor,
Speaker 2: but now a fun manager. I mean, there's nothing this
Speaker 2: dude can't do. That's why I say he's a Swiss
Speaker 2: Army knife of culture. He's been a pinnacle in our
Speaker 2: game on the offensive end, in the defensive end. He
Speaker 2: can get a bucket, he can stop a bucket. There's
Speaker 2: very very few people in the history of the game
Speaker 2: that can move like my guy Mann war.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good baby, thanks for having the intro. Is incredible.
Speaker 3: Your Draymond respect you so much. That clip that they had.
Speaker 3: Once I saw that clip, I tweeted right away, I say,
Speaker 3: your Draymond's the illness I respect he was incredible. They
Speaker 3: trow they trying to throw gas on the fire man.
Speaker 3: Don't be trying to a Draymond. If Draymond ain't scared
Speaker 3: of nobody, I ain't trying to give me a little
Speaker 3: argument with Draymond.
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, laughing up, Drake. You know why I respect
Speaker 1: that the most, It's because I got the utmost respect
Speaker 1: for you. I got the utmost respect for you. Matter
Speaker 1: the way you went about your game. I got the
Speaker 1: utmost respect to you, how you handle yourself, how you
Speaker 1: walk around the NBA. But when I saw the clip,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, y'all taking this out of context. I
Speaker 1: wasn't scared. But here's the beautiful about Here's the beautiful
Speaker 1: part about this this situation. It's I'm not scared. He
Speaker 1: ain't scared. And in the NBA, as you know, when
Speaker 1: two people aren't scared, that's when you just move on.
Speaker 1: I'm not scared of you. You're not scared of me.
Speaker 1: You with the utmost respect. We're gonna move on and
Speaker 1: go do our job. And when you have the guys
Speaker 1: that are scared, they say wild ship because they are afraid.
Speaker 1: So it's the wolf mentality where you a wolf.
Speaker 2: When you're a wolf and you see a wolf, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I see a wolf, you a wolf.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going about my business.
Speaker 3: You know you're doing. I had the issue with Ben
Speaker 3: when Ben pushed me. He was like, why you didn't fight?
Speaker 3: Then I said, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Listen, by the way, in that situation, Ben is not
Speaker 1: really gonna do anything to disrespect you because there's a
Speaker 1: respect level there.
Speaker 3: You know, he pushed me, he pushed me, but you know, man,
Speaker 3: he pushed you.
Speaker 1: But there was so much going on in that situation,
Speaker 1: like this guy's on the floor, that guy's on the floor,
Speaker 1: this guy's fighting that guy, right, But there's a respect
Speaker 1: level that come amongst the guys that it's when you
Speaker 1: get the guy, and so everybody in the world will say, ah,
Speaker 1: you tried that on that guy, and it's like, no, actually,
Speaker 1: that guy was the one that says something so wild
Speaker 1: to me that I do want to crush him right like,
Speaker 1: because he don't understand the respect level. That's the monks,
Speaker 1: those type of guys, and so he'll say something wild
Speaker 1: and you're like, y'all destroy you.
Speaker 2: Like he amend eighty five percent of that is true.
Speaker 2: Fifteen percent of that Draymond been on slapped and slapped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeh. I'll be I'll be seeing Draymond.
Speaker 3: I don't know you sold my tweets, and I'll be like, yo,
Speaker 3: I see if Draymond grew some wild shit, I'll be
Speaker 3: like I'll tweet like, hey, young fella. You know I
Speaker 3: might have beaten you one time. Honestly, I might have
Speaker 3: DMN dreamer. I ain't gonna lie, like, yo, my god,
Speaker 3: you need to tell me how you looking at your DMS.
Speaker 3: You probably gotta do from me.
Speaker 2: Hey, bro, we came a little white up, we came
Speaker 2: a little white, especially being medal.
Speaker 3: I know, Man bed eve on each other since sixteen
Speaker 3: Man me and.
Speaker 2: Rod because ro remember you remember the bout miss Remember
Speaker 2: remember the Austin shoe.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah high school?
Speaker 2: Why hey hey he was killing he avers like thirty
Speaker 2: the whole tournament.
Speaker 1: But New York Window Games, that's New York basketball, New
Speaker 1: York basketball.
Speaker 3: That's I'm trying to bring it back to the Knicks name.
Speaker 2: Back then, you Ron our test was fucking murdering Bro
Speaker 2: thirty he was getting he had thirty on us.
Speaker 1: Maybe he had like thirty seven on us. Me shame man.
Speaker 1: Ye had thirty on Atlanta. But they lost every game?
Speaker 1: Hey brother, all turn the All tournament team was announced
Speaker 1: and he was chilling seta sobalos in the house. Ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, uh said, just walked in. Uh so look.
Speaker 2: They was like, your son, your son, you didn't uh
Speaker 2: you didn't make a tournament.
Speaker 1: He was like, what I didn't do?
Speaker 3: What? Wait?
Speaker 1: He didn't faked all tournaments? O, bro, that's like NBA voting.
Speaker 2: Well he went down the line and he said, how
Speaker 2: did I make all tournament?
Speaker 1: I bust his ass and I gave him thirty. I buzzes,
Speaker 1: that's what I gave him.
Speaker 3: Thirty.
Speaker 1: Hey bro, this is during the this is during the
Speaker 1: awards ceremony. Hey Ron, she was like, fuck that they
Speaker 1: kicked the table over. I was crying.
Speaker 2: That is I remember that you got a lot of
Speaker 2: common dude.
Speaker 1: I'm proud a boat yall. I gotta say.
Speaker 3: Sorry, bust the shootout. I respect y'all. I don't know
Speaker 3: it was you was killing in the wards, not of
Speaker 3: proving the wool.
Speaker 1: No, he was killing them.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: That is crazy, man, that's insane. That's funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you like then, Mom, we kind of similar dream.
Speaker 1: No, I've I've you know, you, like I said before,
Speaker 1: one of the guys that I have the utmost respectful.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: So my mama raised me, and my mama raised me
Speaker 1: like you don't. You don't bow down to man like
Speaker 1: you don't. I don't care what they've done and how
Speaker 1: great it's being. You don't bow down to men. And
Speaker 1: so for me personally, when I came into the NBA,
Speaker 1: everybody to me was just some like an equal playing field, like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: like I respect you, you're great, Like damn, I respect
Speaker 1: the way you go about this. I respect, but that
Speaker 1: don't mean anything to me when it comes down to
Speaker 1: me doing what I gotta do, you know, And when
Speaker 1: I take a step back, though, I think there are
Speaker 1: some guys that just earned the respect because I do
Speaker 1: know this business. I do know how this thing works,
Speaker 1: and I watched how they went about that business. And
Speaker 1: you're one of those guys. For me. So I just
Speaker 1: want to say thank you for coming on the show.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, and I want to get right into
Speaker 1: game three. Both of youll reactions to Game three. They
Speaker 1: say when the series is tied one to one, team
Speaker 1: that win game three goes on to win eighty one
Speaker 1: percent of the time. And I think when I look
Speaker 1: at this team, no one expected Indiana to win game three.
Speaker 1: They haven't won a game three all playoffs long, and
Speaker 1: yet they come in here and win game three. Just
Speaker 1: what's your reaction to them? What them tying it or
Speaker 1: them taking the lead to one, and you know obviously
Speaker 1: what that history is of eighty one percent of the
Speaker 1: time they're.
Speaker 2: Going to win the series. Man, how you played in Indiana?
Speaker 2: They won at night? No give us your assessment on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was at the game, you know, and I
Speaker 3: was just like, for me, I want to see them
Speaker 3: win bad because I feel like when we I was
Speaker 3: he probably shouldn't want if I have kept my head
Speaker 3: on straight.
Speaker 1: Who don't talk about that man that come on now
Speaker 1: you're killing.
Speaker 3: Let me bring it, let me and it's perfect because
Speaker 3: it's actually perfect because you on this podcast, and when
Speaker 3: I think about how you play the game, Drake, if
Speaker 3: my head was on straight, I probably would have as
Speaker 3: much rings as you had, right, Like, I look how
Speaker 3: you play the game. But no matter what people say
Speaker 3: about you, you never got ejected. You never got ejected.
Speaker 3: Incoushi K. So you actually did have focus, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. No matter what people say, but your
Speaker 3: your your your your passion is just next level.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So you know, when I look at Indiana and what
Speaker 3: we could have done, and I'm looking at it now.
Speaker 3: If they win this title, it takes a whole burden
Speaker 3: off our back. It'd been been twenty years, but the
Speaker 3: fans were so pissed at me for so long. We
Speaker 3: got over it. They deserve it. They felt like we
Speaker 3: should have won. They had our back. They supported me
Speaker 3: through the brawl and all this stuff, through my immaturities
Speaker 3: and all this stuff. So now I'm sitting here at
Speaker 3: the game, you know, a half of the burden to
Speaker 3: be off, you know, be off off my back for
Speaker 3: sure if they weren't. This is a long puma for
Speaker 3: them so much, and they remind me of the Detroit
Speaker 3: Pistons team. This Paces team reminds me of that Detroit
Speaker 3: Pistons team. A little bit different body types, but like
Speaker 3: in terms of playing together, not making mistakes. You know,
Speaker 3: no real superstar. Detroit became superstar, even Drake. Y'all became
Speaker 3: superstars at Golden State, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 3: y'all earned it. And now you see this team, like
Speaker 3: if they win it, they should be bolerfire superstars. They
Speaker 3: won the title with no with no real superstars.
Speaker 2: Honestly, right, that makes a lot of sense. I mean,
Speaker 2: you you gotta earn your way. And I'm watching the
Speaker 2: game and Indiana they just don't stop, right, even when
Speaker 2: they was up eight and Haller Burton got the deflection
Speaker 2: with two point six seconds on the clot It just
Speaker 2: says something to their mentality of we're gonna finish, We're
Speaker 2: gonna finish, We're gonna finish, We're gonna finish. And the
Speaker 2: dynamic of their team. Everybody plays defense, even if you
Speaker 2: are not a good defender. They give every every effort
Speaker 2: that they can possibly give. They give it. On the
Speaker 2: defensive end. They scrappy, they fly around, and I think,
Speaker 2: okay See is running into the same problem that the
Speaker 2: New York Knicks ran into. You cannot play this Indiana team.
Speaker 2: You can't play one on one basketball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna.
Speaker 2: Wear on Okay, see to not move the ball. Every
Speaker 2: time somebody had the ball, the ball stuck, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think Indiana thrives off of that because they
Speaker 2: wear you down so in the clutch, when you ready
Speaker 2: to go one on one, everybody standing around, that's when
Speaker 2: they swarm.
Speaker 1: I agree with that one hundred percent. I think for
Speaker 1: us personally, when we when we were going through that transition,
Speaker 1: we didn't necessarily understand it. But I've been fortunate enough
Speaker 1: to win four championships and I think the one thing
Speaker 1: that I come away with it is our offensive brand
Speaker 1: and the way we play is as great as Steph
Speaker 1: Curry is during those During those times, at times we've
Speaker 1: used Steph as a decoy, and we had Steve Kerry
Speaker 1: as a coach, who's one of the greatest coaches to
Speaker 1: ever coach in the NBA. He's comfortable enough in his
Speaker 1: own skin to use Steph as a decoy. Because when
Speaker 1: you have a Stephan Curry, when you have a Kobe Bryant,
Speaker 1: when you have these type of guys, oftentimes coaches are
Speaker 1: afraid to use them as a decoy, to use them
Speaker 1: to put everybody else in the best position to win
Speaker 1: the game. And I think one of the best attributes
Speaker 1: that I've witness with Stevens, like he's cool with him
Speaker 1: where he's cool with using Steph as a decoy. And
Speaker 1: what says so much about Steph Curry asks who Steph
Speaker 1: Curry is, is he's cool with being.
Speaker 3: Used as a decoy.
Speaker 1: He don't have the ego. When you look at us
Speaker 1: winning the championship in twenty twenty two and not being
Speaker 1: his first NBA Finals MVP, the guy just want to win.
Speaker 1: He don't care if it equals out, if the points
Speaker 1: equal out to this, if they assists equal out to this,
Speaker 1: so that I can win finals MVP. He don't move
Speaker 1: that way. He just want to win the championship. And
Speaker 1: so when I look at these teams and you speak
Speaker 1: about one on one basketball, I know for certain that
Speaker 1: doesn't work. We played against the Spurs and my rookie year,
Speaker 1: we played the Spurs in the second round after we
Speaker 1: beat Denver, and when we played against them, I remember
Speaker 1: a game where Steph had like twenty points straight or
Speaker 1: twenty one point straight, and I'm like, yeah, we're doing it.
Speaker 3: It was Game four.
Speaker 1: We were up to the one possibility to go up
Speaker 1: three to one against Spurs, we had never had any success.
Speaker 1: That's a big deal. And Steph had like twenty points
Speaker 1: straight and not kept the coverage the exact same. And
Speaker 1: his point was, let's see him beat us. Can he
Speaker 1: beat us over the course of forty eight, not can
Speaker 1: he beat us over the course of twenty eight? Not
Speaker 1: can he beat us over the course of thirty eight?
Speaker 1: Can he beat us over the course of forty eight?
Speaker 1: And sure enough, Steph went for eighteen straight twenty straight.
Speaker 1: The moment he missed the shot, San Antonio was rowing.
Speaker 1: And so now because we've gotten so hell bent on
Speaker 1: watching him do what he do, letting him score the points,
Speaker 1: no one else was in rhythm. They came back, They
Speaker 1: one game four, they won Game five, they won game six,
Speaker 1: they won the series in six. And so I've watched
Speaker 1: that until your point with Shae. The one on one
Speaker 1: and it's not Shaye's fart, it's their offensive system. But
Speaker 1: the one on one sometimes can catch up to you.
Speaker 1: And I would ask the question to run, as someone
Speaker 1: who has to guard those guys, what are you and
Speaker 1: you going? And you played with Phil Jackson, who's the
Speaker 1: guy or one of the guys who talks to you. What
Speaker 1: are y'all going into in a playoff situation like that
Speaker 1: where you got a guy like that, because I know
Speaker 1: for us, James Harden was that guy, right, and we
Speaker 1: played James Harden like, Yo, he gonna get thirty points
Speaker 1: in the first half, but we need to lay him
Speaker 1: work down and then we'll come back. What was it
Speaker 1: like for y'all in situations like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we just trying to stick to the
Speaker 3: coverage and we played against KD the first year and
Speaker 3: we had to switch because your Kd's coming off these
Speaker 3: screens then we had we had switch buying them on.
Speaker 3: It was no, it was that was the best coverage
Speaker 3: and we just had to stick with it. And you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes he had to was buying him sometimes buying them
Speaker 3: a garden well, but if it was pal we tried
Speaker 3: to keep pal off buying them was moving, you know,
Speaker 3: they buying him was but he was moving a little
Speaker 3: bit better on the perimeter, you know, and then when
Speaker 3: buying him maybe maybe he was hurt or fatigued, will
Speaker 3: switch the coverage. But you know, Phil, Phil was like
Speaker 3: really just sticking to it and to your point on
Speaker 3: one on one. You know, one of the reasons why
Speaker 3: it's so hard to guard Lebron because he's not only
Speaker 3: going on on one even though he's a great one
Speaker 3: on one player. When I first started planning against Lebron,
Speaker 3: what really was killing me was that he was a
Speaker 3: team player. So when he would move the ball, he
Speaker 3: would move it in the way where you had to shift.
Speaker 3: You know, he was moving it to a good target
Speaker 3: where the defense was gonna be all out of whack.
Speaker 3: So not only was he doing that, he was also
Speaker 3: really good, you know, as a one on one player,
Speaker 3: so you can't help off from too much. Then when
Speaker 3: you're closing out to him, that's a huge problem. And
Speaker 3: like you said, you know, in terms of of this game, yeah,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna recall this is this is Rick Carlou's
Speaker 3: comfort zone because now the game is more physical. So
Speaker 3: if you want to play one on one, well, now
Speaker 3: you're just asking Rick to coach how he coached in
Speaker 3: two thousand and four, and that's what he do. The
Speaker 3: game is physical. You can touch, so it ain't like
Speaker 3: you can get a clean shot off because your arm
Speaker 3: is gonna be moving right now, you see how the
Speaker 3: game is like real physical right now. I mean, so
Speaker 3: they're gonna have to change something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: Also, man once again, and I'll say it again, you
Speaker 2: gotta stick with your guns. You gotta stick with your lineup.
Speaker 2: Your best lineup is your big lineup.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: What I saw tonight was chet hold after five is
Speaker 2: not an effective fact for Okay, see because he don't
Speaker 2: protect the pay, he don't rebound, and he.
Speaker 1: Does it wrong.
Speaker 2: And in order for Shay to get to his sweet spots,
Speaker 2: you need that pack get wrong with a big dude
Speaker 2: rolling to the home so he can get to fifteen
Speaker 2: seven foot seventeen feet in a sweet spot. With Chet,
Speaker 2: you picking and popping. And once again, if you don't
Speaker 2: have nobody filling the ghost or or filling the lane,
Speaker 2: then you really don't have no space and everybody can
Speaker 2: be guarded. And so I'm looking at this own KC.
Speaker 1: Lineup.
Speaker 2: By avoiding the big guy, am boiding your big lineup
Speaker 2: and saying you never giving yourself the chance for them
Speaker 2: to adjust to you.
Speaker 1: And so I favor Indiana and this series.
Speaker 2: If they're gonna keep trying to figure out, hey, we're
Speaker 2: gonna go to the small lineup and think it's gonna
Speaker 2: be effective.
Speaker 1: Like we said with the Knicks, the same thing.
Speaker 2: You cannot beat the Indiana Pacers with a small lineup
Speaker 2: because they're big. They have big, versatile fours, three four, four,
Speaker 2: stretch four files.
Speaker 1: They have that.
Speaker 2: Versatility and play at a certain pace where you really
Speaker 2: can't match it.
Speaker 1: So you get cross match you.
Speaker 2: Know, all your defense, and that's what I'm saying. Well, okay,
Speaker 2: see check, you know check he's switching out on picks.
Speaker 2: He can't stand in front of somebody, right they shoot
Speaker 2: the three. He at the top of the perimeter. He's
Speaker 2: not He's not inclined to go crash the boards and
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Speaker 1: So I have a question for both of y'all in
Speaker 1: if that's the case, and I'm gonna bring a different
Speaker 1: viewpoint from it, for from what y'all may have because
Speaker 1: of what the rules were. So I'm gonna ask this
Speaker 1: question specifically if that's the case and what you're saying, Bed,
Speaker 1: which I agree with everything you're saying, in the world
Speaker 1: of second aprons, what the taxes are, all these things,
Speaker 1: can you then pay that guy one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: to two hundred million dollars? Because when you do that,
Speaker 1: when you look at this OKAYC team, when you do that, right,
Speaker 1: like you got Shay who gonna make seventy million dollars
Speaker 1: a year, you got Jay Dove who's gonna make fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars a year, and you got Check who's also
Speaker 1: going to make that type of money a year. But
Speaker 1: when you do that and under these rules, Alex Caruso
Speaker 1: gotta go, Hartstein, gotta go, lou Dort gotta go, can
Speaker 1: you still be successful at that level if if you
Speaker 1: can't depend on him to be able to protect the
Speaker 1: rim at the five Because that's what it creates.
Speaker 3: Well, I think like you get a window opportunity, you know,
Speaker 3: you get a window opportunity to put these teams together.
Speaker 3: And you're right because it will look different. I was
Speaker 3: talking to somebody today, I said, I don't think Michael
Speaker 3: Jordan ever had a team like Shay. If Michael Jordan
Speaker 3: was on this team, wow, And this is no shots
Speaker 3: that Sha because I actually thought Sga I said, at
Speaker 3: times he's better than Michael Jordan actually because at times
Speaker 3: his game is just incredible. But it's true, you lose
Speaker 3: a couple of key pieces. You know, that's that's gonna
Speaker 3: be an issue. Whereas Rick Carlile, if you notice a
Speaker 3: lot of people, they don't know how to coach bigs,
Speaker 3: which is why they don't play bigs. Which is why
Speaker 3: I can't wait coach because I love the coach bigs
Speaker 3: and tandems. And then you guys at in Golden State,
Speaker 3: you guys took advantage of a slips. You guys never
Speaker 3: passed up on a slip. There's a lot of teams
Speaker 3: that slip there, big got mismatched. They won't pass it
Speaker 3: because they don't trust. They don't trust and and in
Speaker 3: the end of trust, oh, if you slip, we Ri
Speaker 3: Carlo's like, throw that ball hole to Thomas Bryant, right.
Speaker 1: Facts, which makes a big difference, I think because you
Speaker 1: look at it a lot of times, most coaches ain't
Speaker 1: going to tell you to though the brat of Thomas Bryan. Right,
Speaker 1: They're gonna leave Thomas Bryan open, which then, as you know,
Speaker 1: allows then Mark Dagna to say they ain't throwing the
Speaker 1: ball to him, so we don't even have to guard him,
Speaker 1: and it takes on a whole different life, whole different life.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's a science of basketball. You always want
Speaker 2: to get the ball in the middle of the floor, right,
Speaker 2: and if you can train your big guys to understand
Speaker 2: how to stop catch, look, everything is wide open. And
Speaker 2: that's what Miles Turner can do. Not only can he
Speaker 2: stop and catch, but he can he can shoot, Thomas Bryant,
Speaker 2: can shoot, Pascal Siakam, he can create and make players.
Speaker 1: So can I ob top it? So okay? Se they
Speaker 1: they not? They not?
Speaker 2: When they hit the roll men, it works. Indiana is science, right,
Speaker 2: is science that is going to break the second wall
Speaker 2: of the defense where you automatically got a three on
Speaker 2: two and if you got any playmaker. That's why the
Speaker 2: Warriors was so great, Dre. That's what made you so
Speaker 2: great is Steph gets double team. He automatically hit you.
Speaker 2: And it was almost like a science, right, It was
Speaker 2: almost like a science, like, damn, I get to play
Speaker 2: three on two, three on one with people recovering.
Speaker 1: That just that just breaks the defense back.
Speaker 3: I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Listen, here's how it went, DOBD for me. Steph Curry
Speaker 1: grabs two guys, which leaves us three on two on
Speaker 1: the backside, and then one guy's not helping off Klay Thompson.
Speaker 1: They ain't leave Clay Thompson's body, right, So guess what
Speaker 1: I got a three on one on the backside. That's
Speaker 1: what I said. Yeah, absolutely, So for me personally, I
Speaker 1: agree with you.
Speaker 3: I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1: When you could that's been and I'm sorry, Mata, that's
Speaker 1: that's been my thing. I was actually just with PG
Speaker 1: watching this game, and PG got the Pacers winning, and
Speaker 1: I believe the Patiers can win this series. But my
Speaker 1: only thing with that is if the Patiers don't get
Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam the ball enough. He is the one guy
Speaker 1: on their team that every possession he has the ball,
Speaker 1: he can get to the shot he's trying to get to.
Speaker 1: And secondly, not only every possession that he had the
Speaker 1: ball he can get the shot to get to, but
Speaker 1: every possession he has the ball, he's the one guy
Speaker 1: on Indiana's team that can create a double team which
Speaker 1: makes the next domino fall, you know. And so when
Speaker 1: I take a step back and I look at this series,
Speaker 1: I really like Indiana. I think Indiana can.
Speaker 3: Win this series.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if they will because, for instance,
Speaker 1: you watch this game tonight, they had seventeen turnovers at
Speaker 1: one point, Okay, see how the eleven and they were
Speaker 1: down two points. So ultimately, when you get down to it,
Speaker 1: and okay, see play their best game in Indiana, play
Speaker 1: the best game. Who's winning that game? Okay? See?
Speaker 3: I mean you know, and you know the thing that
Speaker 3: the one thing Indiana has Last year when Jannie got hurt, right,
Speaker 3: I think a couple of people got hurt with Indiana advanced, right,
Speaker 3: they took the advantage of that the advanced as you
Speaker 3: have to as you we all know, you have to
Speaker 3: take advantage of those things, not to take advantage of that.
Speaker 3: But what happened is they gained the experience, right, So
Speaker 3: then they in the semi finals or whatever, they gained
Speaker 3: that experience and now they took that into this year
Speaker 3: even though they're the same type of team. Right, they
Speaker 3: even finished in fourth place, but in the play right
Speaker 3: as you know, they got an experience that Okay, see
Speaker 3: they don't got so any chink and almah. Indiana's like, ooh,
Speaker 3: we've seen this before. We're gonna take your bantage of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's it's knowing who you are versus still discovering who
Speaker 2: you are. Right, there's there's no doubt when when when
Speaker 2: the ball needs a when they when Indiana needs a
Speaker 2: player needs a shot, they know who to put the
Speaker 2: who to who to get a ball to Halliburton, Pascal Nemahar.
Speaker 2: Everybody else is getting in position waiting for them to
Speaker 2: make plays. Right, Okay, see it's really two people Jaylen Williams.
Speaker 1: And and Shay.
Speaker 2: But with okayc because they play such a one on
Speaker 2: one type of style, that ball is sticking to their hands, right,
Speaker 2: and so thinking about you know, Indiana and uh and
Speaker 2: what they did with Shaye he was nine for twenty tonight,
Speaker 2: I want us, I want you to talk about just
Speaker 2: his play, Like what does he need to do more
Speaker 2: of right to get.
Speaker 1: Okay? See over the hunk man.
Speaker 3: I mean I actually don't want them to win, So
Speaker 3: I actually don't I love Okay.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 3: I think she is dope, Like I said that sounds
Speaker 3: is better than MJ. But I don't want to give anything.
Speaker 3: I want to actually get the wrong information, like hey,
Speaker 3: split your legs and go behind your back.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about let's talk about her bird. No,
Speaker 1: I got I got something, I got something, got a gym,
Speaker 1: give me a jim. Because my thing is this, as
Speaker 1: someone who comes from a system of you got Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: At times, Steph Curry gonna be the guy and do
Speaker 1: everything that Steph Curry does, But at times you have
Speaker 1: to you have to know when to use Steph Curry
Speaker 1: against everyone else. And we're we're not really trying to
Speaker 1: use Seth Curry. So as someone who's lived through that
Speaker 1: and I see what's going on in the series, I think,
Speaker 1: honestly and I think Shae gotta be more aggressive. I
Speaker 1: don't think. When I watched that game tonight, I'm like,
Speaker 1: when's shake gonna come? When when he gonna do when
Speaker 1: he gonna when when is Shae going to do what
Speaker 1: we know.
Speaker 3: Shaye to do?
Speaker 1: And as someone who's been in these situations, don't get
Speaker 1: it twisted. You can hear somebody say Shaye shooting too
Speaker 1: much is gonna hurt them and try to lessen it
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 3: This is human nature.
Speaker 1: And when I watched that game tonight, I never felt
Speaker 1: like Shae said I'm taking over this game. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: win this game and do that. And so I said
Speaker 1: all of that to say, as much as I think
Speaker 1: ball like, I come from a system of like you
Speaker 1: move a ball, you hit the open man, and that's that.
Speaker 1: That's not their system. And so what I would say
Speaker 1: is to Shae, don't fall into the trap of the world.
Speaker 1: Because the media around the NBA Finals is bigger than
Speaker 1: any NBA game media in the history. Don't fall into
Speaker 1: the trap of what the world is saying of like, yo,
Speaker 1: he's shooting too much. He filed me. Fuck that.
Speaker 3: Game, Yeah shoot it, thud, you gotta go for It's
Speaker 3: truths like my rhythm when I played with Kobe and
Speaker 3: I only got one tighter. But when I during that time,
Speaker 3: you know I had to be I had to be
Speaker 3: the best role player I could be. So sometimes I
Speaker 3: had to shoot the shot that was in rhythm, even
Speaker 3: though I wasn't in a rhythm. I didn't feel comfortable
Speaker 3: because I don't have I'm not taking forty shots like
Speaker 3: I'm used to. And on top of that, sometimes I
Speaker 3: would miss and I would have to go to a nine,
Speaker 3: and then the media is like, why are you shooting? Oh,
Speaker 3: don't shoot. Then you got the arena listening to the media,
Speaker 3: and arena is like, no, don't shoot you over. I
Speaker 3: gotta shoot it right because and flow and Pal is
Speaker 3: going towards the offensive boards right now, so as if
Speaker 3: his biggest coming out, if I shoot it now, he
Speaker 3: got a chance to rebound it, which he's done before. Right,
Speaker 3: So it's like it's true now in Shay and SGAs Row,
Speaker 3: same thing. You can't listen to us what other people saying.
Speaker 3: You gotta do what's best for your team.
Speaker 1: So in saying that, because what you must understand is
Speaker 1: I watched these these things as a sixty hero, and
Speaker 1: I remember, but I've always been interested in the game, right,
Speaker 1: like what they're saying about the game, And so I
Speaker 1: remember watching you play in those finals and watching you
Speaker 1: playing those playoffs, and when you shot the three on
Speaker 1: the right wing, everybody like, why would he shoot that three? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Real time, Cole Ryan. Is that And I've heard the stories.
Speaker 1: You can correct me if I'm wrong. I've heard the
Speaker 1: stories of like you left there ring and right after
Speaker 1: that in your jersey, in your uniform, went to the spot.
Speaker 1: Is that the Is that the thing that led to
Speaker 1: the feeling of like, yeah, I'm out of here, I
Speaker 1: don't need to shower out and do anything. I'm going
Speaker 1: to this club in LA which is probably was Graystone
Speaker 1: at the time. I'm going and do this right now
Speaker 1: in my uniform because I know what that feels like.
Speaker 1: Is that the thing that led you to like all
Speaker 1: of those ideas?
Speaker 3: Not really after game since I got I got a
Speaker 3: little lifting, want to throw that in me. I want
Speaker 3: to write the Equinox and got a little lifted because
Speaker 3: I wanted to get I wanted the lift time to recover,
Speaker 3: so I got I left the staples, got to Equinox
Speaker 3: at about ten fifteen, got a quick lifting, and then
Speaker 3: that carried over the game seven, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: got the lift in and then when we won. I mean,
Speaker 3: for me, it was like I felt like I would
Speaker 3: never want a title because I was so immature, I
Speaker 3: put my team at risk of losing. I had no
Speaker 3: I had no emotional control for a long time. So
Speaker 3: when I wanted, I was like, damn, I actually wanted.
Speaker 3: Like I didn't even realize we won until I looked
Speaker 3: at the clock and when the clock said zero zero,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, we really wanted.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So my mind was just all over the place and
Speaker 3: I just was you know, I always wanted one. I
Speaker 3: never really wanted. I didn't want more, but I always
Speaker 3: said I want one, and then like I was gonna
Speaker 3: be happy on it. Maybe if I'd have said I
Speaker 3: want two or three, maybe I got two or three.
Speaker 3: But I was really happy, and like that's something I partied.
Speaker 3: I drink and that shear we came and got swept
Speaker 3: my Dallas.
Speaker 1: Hey, that's that's funny. That's funny. But you know, I
Speaker 1: think when when I take a step back and I
Speaker 1: look at those series, I'll be honest with you this
Speaker 1: this year, and I've already said this on this podcast.
Speaker 1: This year, Julius random completely bust my eyes. Like nothing
Speaker 1: I can do about it. I made him take shots.
Speaker 1: I wanted him to take. I did the things I
Speaker 1: wanted to do. He completely bust my eyes, But I'll
Speaker 1: be honest. When Steph went out of the lineup, Steve
Speaker 1: asked me to Draymond, we need you to push the
Speaker 1: ball down the floor every time we get the ball,
Speaker 1: as if we're on a fast break and somebody missed
Speaker 1: the shot, because we need to create advantage and we
Speaker 1: need to create mismatches. And if you just push it
Speaker 1: the way you push it, we'll create the mismatch and
Speaker 1: then we can get the ball to someone who can
Speaker 1: take advantage of the mismatch. And so that was my
Speaker 1: whole focus in the series. It's like, I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: get it soon if it go in or if we
Speaker 1: miss I'm coming back to the ball.
Speaker 3: I'm get it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna push. We'll figure it out after and I
Speaker 1: will I will say to you, I haven't said this
Speaker 1: to anyone in the world, but they'll know it now.
Speaker 1: When Steff went out, it was like, Oh, I need
Speaker 1: to push the ball like that and I need to score.
Speaker 1: And in my career, I haven't really been in that
Speaker 1: situation much where like I need to push the ball,
Speaker 1: I need to anchor the defense and I need to score.
Speaker 1: And so when we got into that situation, I could
Speaker 1: push the ball, I could ancher the defense, or I
Speaker 1: could push the ball, I could score anchor the defense
Speaker 1: was a little tougher, right, Like those things played a
Speaker 1: part into who I was. How did you go about
Speaker 1: being run our tests?
Speaker 3: Who scored.
Speaker 1: Twenty points a game, twenty two points.
Speaker 3: A game in the NBA.
Speaker 1: Two Metal World Peace, who may score eight points or
Speaker 1: may score four points. But I'm gonna lock your lock
Speaker 1: your guy up. I'm gonna bring that physicality because to me,
Speaker 1: it's the first time in my career actually where I
Speaker 1: had to like do all of those.
Speaker 3: Things, and it was it was difficult.
Speaker 1: Look at what happened to us, it was impossible.
Speaker 3: It was difficult. Like to go, imagine in your prime contract, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, you're in your prime. And that's what was
Speaker 3: really difficult. It is like, you know, I'm like dad,
Speaker 3: I can't really show nothing. There's no room. Like so
Speaker 3: I said, you know what, I'm a role player. For
Speaker 3: the rest of my career. I got to hear people say,
Speaker 3: how am I getting old? From the year probably I
Speaker 3: was a thing twenty five in the playoffs and then
Speaker 3: I got worse than six months. How hard I didn't
Speaker 3: get worse in the six months. People like he old
Speaker 3: Now I'm like, damn, I can't even back myself up.
Speaker 1: But I can't. I can't.
Speaker 3: You got Kobe, Kobe like, I don't care what they say,
Speaker 3: and bring that ball to me. Medivo in that corner
Speaker 3: and you stayed there. But it was tough. But you
Speaker 3: know what I was like, you know, that was the
Speaker 3: toughest experience I had. And I said, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna be the best role player, and I was.
Speaker 3: Actually I learned more from that than you know when
Speaker 3: I had the opportune to teacher score.
Speaker 1: No. Most definitely man talk about.
Speaker 2: I always wonder, you know, you playing for Houston, get
Speaker 2: lots of the Lakers, they beat you, and then you
Speaker 2: wind up joining the Lakers. Did Kobe reach out to you? Like,
Speaker 2: how did what made you want to go to the Lakers?
Speaker 2: How did how did that trans Well?
Speaker 3: Initially I didn't want to go to the Lakers, and
Speaker 3: I never wanted to go to the Lakers, like I
Speaker 3: had opportunities that people called me and you know whatever,
Speaker 3: I don't want to keep talking about it, but I
Speaker 3: always wanted to play against people. So I tried to
Speaker 3: go back to Indiana. I was always trying to go back. Well,
Speaker 3: first I was trying to go back to Houston, you know,
Speaker 3: I want to get into US. I was supposed to
Speaker 3: go back to Houston, and then things happened, which is
Speaker 3: is incredibly annoying. Then I said, okay, what's next. I'm
Speaker 3: always trying to think about the Knicks. But then Donnie
Speaker 3: Walsh was at the Knicks at that time, so I
Speaker 3: feel a quick signal out there that didn't work.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Donny was that we had the issues in the history
Speaker 3: in Indiana. So then I tried to go to and
Speaker 3: back to Indiana, but you know, those conversations quickly went
Speaker 3: to it was still fresh in people's mind and heart.
Speaker 3: Then I tried to go to Detroit. That's what I
Speaker 3: was trying to then, and then they was like, nah,
Speaker 3: we can't you know too much history. I said, listen,
Speaker 3: this is gonna be epic. Run our tests with an artest.
Speaker 3: When a backup at Detroit, Jersey, I said, y'all missing
Speaker 3: the whole point. This is legendary. They were scared. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about I got people in Detroit. I
Speaker 3: love the trait when I go to you know, I
Speaker 3: got people they love me in Detroit and the fans
Speaker 3: they go crazy in Detroit. Like I literally got fans
Speaker 3: in Detroit. So then that didn't happen. And then but
Speaker 3: the first team to call me was the Lakers. The
Speaker 3: Lakers called that total one. That was I was like,
Speaker 3: they called me, and my agent was like, David Bawman, Hey,
Speaker 3: the Lakers want to speak to you. And the first
Speaker 3: thing I said, I was like, for fucking what the
Speaker 3: first these days just beat us. He was like, they
Speaker 3: want they want to sign you. I'm like what the Lakers,
Speaker 3: I said, I got to call you back. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 3: Like doctor Bus, Phil Jackson, I'm like, this is crazy.
Speaker 3: Met with doctor Bus that morning, me chatted. He was like, yo,
Speaker 3: I can't pay you what you deserve. We only got
Speaker 3: to ADMD and I was like, don't even worry about it,
Speaker 3: Like this is incredible. That's how I got to the Lakers. Spiller, Yeah,
Speaker 3: as I got to the lacan that's fire.
Speaker 1: That's that's insane. So when I look at this game
Speaker 1: game three, yeah, I want to ask you to guys
Speaker 1: a question or something because and I'll ask you to
Speaker 1: this both of the both of you are this question
Speaker 1: because I think for me personally, the one thing I
Speaker 1: never want to become is I don't want to become
Speaker 1: one of these grumpy older guys that played the game before,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm hating on the younger guys.
Speaker 1: I never want to become that. So in saying that,
Speaker 1: when I watched this game, when I watched these NBA Finals,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I don't feel like this is the
Speaker 1: level of preparation.
Speaker 3: This is the level of like.
Speaker 1: Like dowding this that like when I played in the finals,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like they do that. And the reason
Speaker 1: I feel like like when you look at specific thing,
Speaker 1: I'll point to a very specific thing of why I
Speaker 1: say that. I feel like when I was coming through
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals and I had to win the NBA Finals,
Speaker 1: and this could be my coach. Like again, I think
Speaker 1: my coach is the greatest effort. Maybe he not, that's
Speaker 1: for everybody else to debate, but I think my coach
Speaker 1: is the greatest coach. And t J McConnell getting a
Speaker 1: sneak back still would never happen. Like we're we're so
Speaker 1: dialed in on that one thing in this game plan
Speaker 1: that there's no way t J mcconna's gonna hop off
Speaker 1: the guy he's going to to get the steal. And
Speaker 1: I watched him get two of those tonight and I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it because I'm like, yo, this is last,
Speaker 1: this is the NBA Finals, Like, hey, you can get
Speaker 1: this still in the NBA Finals and you ll no.
Speaker 1: And you got that still on Tuesday, November tenth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, and now we're in the finals in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five and you get that steal. So I ask you,
Speaker 1: guys the questions as two guys who's played this game,
Speaker 1: I'm still in it. But as two guys who played
Speaker 1: this game, Like, do y'all feel the same way about
Speaker 1: this NBA Finals as you have about previous.
Speaker 2: I would actually say I have been extremely impressed watching
Speaker 2: these whole entire playoffs, Like I am fucking loving the playoffs,
Speaker 2: loving the finals.
Speaker 1: The games are good. Is good basketball.
Speaker 2: It may be it may not be, you know, like
Speaker 2: two teams playing at the ultimate perfection, but like it
Speaker 2: is good basketball, and that TJ McConnell Steele the second
Speaker 2: one that changes the momentum and So Drake, you and
Speaker 2: I talked about this in the beginning of the year
Speaker 2: that okayse they will take a.
Speaker 1: Couple plays off mentally.
Speaker 2: Just because they're young, just because they have more talent,
Speaker 2: and shit like that comes back to haunt you. You
Speaker 2: up for right, you don't get the offensive rebound, they
Speaker 2: score too. Then you in a rush to throw the
Speaker 2: ball nowhere, this kid steals the ball, lays the ball up,
Speaker 2: Tye score Haller Burnon come back hit a three.
Speaker 1: The whole momentum you never recover. You never recover.
Speaker 2: So carelessness, right is hopefully something that and as you
Speaker 2: watch championships, you see teams that may lose on a fluke,
Speaker 2: going all the way back to Detroit Pistons when but
Speaker 2: when Blarry Burns stole the ball, shit like that happens.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: The teams that win make those moments happen. And that's
Speaker 2: what Indiana is doing different than okay see okay see
Speaker 2: may take a playoff, may make a lack of daysical
Speaker 2: past because they have that they have kind of like
Speaker 2: a real nonchalant charisma. Yeah, and like that nationalt charisma.
Speaker 2: Also that shit can play against you where it's like,
Speaker 2: oh no, should affect me, but I don't care.
Speaker 1: But it's like you can't shake your shit out. You
Speaker 1: can't shake yourself, you can't shake yourself out of it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's that's where that's where my hiccup is. And TJ
Speaker 2: McConnell he is, he is the essence of what Indiana
Speaker 2: basketball is. That's playing hard, has taken advantage of every
Speaker 2: mistake right and and being first to the action.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean to TJ mcconne's point, I'm ann
Speaker 3: answer generals question. Also, but how was that game five
Speaker 3: in Indiana one of those games they came out, they
Speaker 3: were shooting a bunch of threes. TJ came into the game,
Speaker 3: started driving the ball into the teeth of the defense
Speaker 3: and changed the whole game by the way, right, which
Speaker 3: they then came back and one. If TJ didn't do that,
Speaker 3: they would have lost that game. You know, you always
Speaker 3: need that player that see like, oh we're shooting too
Speaker 3: many threes. I got to come in here and do
Speaker 3: something different, start penetrating, you know. And then you look
Speaker 3: at last year Indiana, you know, without those injuries, maybe
Speaker 3: they lose, but they was making the same mistakes that
Speaker 3: Okac is making.
Speaker 1: This year.
Speaker 3: The difference is they kept going, they kept advancing, and
Speaker 3: then they gained that experience. So now you got an
Speaker 3: OKAC team who, yeah, they do a lot of things. Well,
Speaker 3: they got a lot of great individual talents, a lot
Speaker 3: of great role players, but you know they're not prepped
Speaker 3: in every single in the little areas. They're not prepped him.
Speaker 3: Like you said, d how are you getting those two stalls? Well,
Speaker 3: Phil Jackson, you know, press breakers are part of the
Speaker 3: The press breaker is a part of the offense. Right
Speaker 3: you look at what happened even at Milwaukee. And I
Speaker 3: don't even want to give away much. I'm trying to
Speaker 3: be a head coasals, but I try to keep a
Speaker 3: little bit for myself. But it's true, how are you
Speaker 3: not prepped?
Speaker 1: You know, let a press break, bro. That is like basketball,
Speaker 1: one on one.
Speaker 3: It is one on one. It is the most you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's important and sometimes you don't go through it.
Speaker 3: You get into these playoffs, especially with the game being
Speaker 3: more physical, beauty to your point like I'm enjoying this year.
Speaker 3: This is I'm enjoying the playoffs like it was. It
Speaker 3: was incredible this year. But as physical as it is,
Speaker 3: you got to be ready to break the press because
Speaker 3: guys is touching you now, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: and they're not They're not prepared. You gotta sprint to
Speaker 3: get open, like you gotta work to get open. You
Speaker 3: can't be like you said lackadays, I ain't working. That's
Speaker 3: not working. In the finals and recalling this is right
Speaker 3: and were called out sweet spot under he played in
Speaker 3: the soft era, sort of a self era. He went
Speaker 3: through all those errors and you're telling me now they're
Speaker 3: saying you can touch Oh, this is Carlos sweetspy right now.
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Speaker 2: And and the thing that Indiana is doing, They're making
Speaker 2: you start your offense.
Speaker 1: At half court.
Speaker 3: They doing what the pushes it does. Yeah, Indian doing
Speaker 3: what Lindsey Hunters, who's one of the greatest point guard
Speaker 3: defenders in history. Like, this guy was.
Speaker 2: Man, he was He was a harassment. It was a
Speaker 2: bonafide harassment.
Speaker 3: In current you're not getting you're not getting your offense
Speaker 3: until all day.
Speaker 1: Oh they he harassed.
Speaker 3: This is what I was doing. The Pistons didn't have
Speaker 3: Lindsay Hunter.
Speaker 1: Man we win that series, So you think someone at
Speaker 1: the because again, we live in the world where people
Speaker 1: had that on the Fance, where the media.
Speaker 3: I think the media controlled the NBA.
Speaker 1: By the way, just so we're clear, I players, there's
Speaker 1: this common misconception of players have the power in the NBA.
Speaker 1: I personally think the media has the power in the NBA,
Speaker 1: Like I think that's who controls the NBA. But are
Speaker 1: you saying that you think because I actually a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago I spoke about how I think it
Speaker 1: is Alice Caruso is the most important player on third
Speaker 1: most important player obviously obviously j the I think Alice Caruso, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the third most important player. Oka and Ron, I'm
Speaker 1: hearing you say, Lindsey Hunter, do you think a guy
Speaker 1: like Lindsey Hunter is that important to winning the championship?
Speaker 3: And I wish Lindsay Hunter. You can't have Lindsey Hunter
Speaker 3: and Mike James on the same team. It was really difficult.
Speaker 3: These guys was harassing us. I mean, we couldn't get
Speaker 3: the ball. It was really difficult because, yeah, Jamal Tensley's incredible.
Speaker 3: But you're talking about when you play against these guys.
Speaker 3: They said the Mike James Denison and Lindsay, can they
Speaker 3: sent to Mike James Dennison and Lindsay, you're not getting
Speaker 3: into your offense, you know until thirteen thirteen seconds I
Speaker 3: package at that point in half court at half court. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: please taken off the court, like, please don't put him
Speaker 3: in the game. And we're gonna be okay, Mike, just
Speaker 3: one Mike James, you can't have. And Lindsey was a
Speaker 3: little bit better than like, even though Mike was more athletic,
Speaker 3: but Lindsey was a scientist when it comes to, you know,
Speaker 3: putting pressure in the back court. And that's what the
Speaker 3: paces got.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's it's Jus the disruptor, right, and
Speaker 2: you are one of those disruptors. Like when you think
Speaker 2: about somebody who just completely disrupts your offense, and that
Speaker 2: can be picking somebody up full court, making them making
Speaker 2: your point guard past the ball close to the half
Speaker 2: court ring is disgusting for a point guard. And if
Speaker 2: you can and if you watch Indiana, okay, see get
Speaker 2: across half court. They run and pick and rolls at
Speaker 2: the half court line just to try and get some space.
Speaker 2: New York did it the same way with Brunson runs
Speaker 2: and is damn near using the half court line as
Speaker 2: another pick. And so if if your defense can extend
Speaker 2: that far all game, then when it comes down to
Speaker 2: the clutch and now you gotta play in a tight space,
Speaker 2: you ain't nothing open. You can strength the floor and
Speaker 2: you can still cover ground because they can't. They don't
Speaker 2: see space. They can only see space in from half court,
Speaker 2: which is terrible. You don't never want to start your
Speaker 2: your offfense at half court.
Speaker 1: But that's the fact I think when we look at
Speaker 1: those type of guys like TJ McConnell for us, is
Speaker 1: to your point, he's doing the same thing. When you
Speaker 1: look at those type of guys, you just when it
Speaker 1: comes to the NBA, yes everyone is talented, Yes everyone
Speaker 1: is skilled. All these things you Bill Belichick has to
Speaker 1: saying to make out this is not Bill Belichick saying,
Speaker 1: but Bill Belichi. Check the way Bill Belichick goes about
Speaker 1: his offense is Bill Belichick goes about his offense. He said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna double team the best wide receiver,
Speaker 1: the best wide receiver you have excuse me. Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: will double to your second best wide receiver. He would
Speaker 1: double team your second best wide receiver and tell you
Speaker 1: go ahead and beat us.
Speaker 3: What's your first best wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna double team your second best receiver so he
Speaker 1: can't get anything, and I'm gonna make your best wide
Speaker 1: receiver beat us. Can you beat us over the course
Speaker 1: you look at the NFL game, it's fifteen minutes record.
Speaker 1: Can you beat us over the course of that sixty minutes?
Speaker 1: Why are you jocking? Bill Belichick? Yeah? For stealing? Fan? Man?
Speaker 1: What see Cadi ran handed? Hey, you know you did
Speaker 1: when we all when?
Speaker 2: When?
Speaker 3: When?
Speaker 1: When? When you all got championships? And now I don't
Speaker 1: give them fun.
Speaker 2: When you're a fan, you know you don't quote God.
Speaker 2: You don't quote the rival coats. If you a Pittsburgh stealing,
Speaker 2: you don't quote Belichick. When we all got championships. We
Speaker 2: don't even matter because we all got the championships.
Speaker 1: So you your way. I'm gonna win in my way.
Speaker 1: But Bill Belichick and he said, I'm I'm a I'm
Speaker 1: a double team back. You best receiver. You gotta make
Speaker 1: people make decisions. First best receiver, that's what Carlo is
Speaker 1: doing and and that is exactly what Rick Carlo is
Speaker 1: doing it. Shake Gillis, say, Shay Gillis is Alexander. They're
Speaker 1: loaded up their boxes and elbows there, the whole defense
Speaker 1: is overreacting. And then Jay Dub gonna get a drive
Speaker 1: to the whole and he bumped one guy, he get
Speaker 1: a dunk and one. They telling him, we're willing to
Speaker 1: let you go beat us. Yeah it can.
Speaker 3: We're not letting Shake go beat us.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: And I want to ask the question to both of
Speaker 1: you guys, is is that ultimately sustainable.
Speaker 3: Game plan to win four games in this series? But
Speaker 3: I think you said earlier, I think Shay got a
Speaker 3: shape problem, right, he gotta he gotta bring He didn't.
Speaker 3: He didn't bring his game yet, So he got to
Speaker 3: answer that first question first, right, then he can get
Speaker 3: to that, you know what you just asked just now,
Speaker 3: you know, because even if they were doing that, imagine
Speaker 3: that's Kobe, even if they were sending the double, doing
Speaker 3: the tilt, you know, Kobe splitting it, figuring out how
Speaker 3: to attack that. You know, he might go five for thirty,
Speaker 3: you know, pop when he's gonna try to he's gonna
Speaker 3: try to break you, and he's done that a lot,
Speaker 3: and I think that's that's the first problem that Shade answer.
Speaker 1: So when you're speaking about Kobe, I love that. So
Speaker 1: when Shade, so you're you agree that Shade just need
Speaker 1: to be more he he he need to go fuck it.
Speaker 1: I don't give a care if we win lose. This
Speaker 1: is what I'm doing and let's win off that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 3: Actually, she should just go down his dark five times.
Speaker 3: That's gonna work.
Speaker 1: So listen, you know what's crazy is one of the
Speaker 1: biggest things Steve taught me. And I've never said this
Speaker 1: on camera. He taught me how to deal with the
Speaker 1: media when you're when you're in a playoff series and
Speaker 1: and you acting the way you're acting right now. Tells
Speaker 1: me how much he learned from Phil. Because you actually
Speaker 1: the way you're you won't say anything. So let's just
Speaker 1: get right into it. Then you won't say anything. You
Speaker 1: recently announced that you wanted to be the head coach
Speaker 1: of the Knicks.
Speaker 3: Tell me why New York, New York. Let's just start there.
Speaker 1: Queensbridge, Fine, this I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you queens Bridge finds.
Speaker 3: Don't tatta get that to you.
Speaker 1: I gotta get that to you.
Speaker 2: Over nows you loved it way more love and more
Speaker 2: states and more cities. You know you got a loyal
Speaker 2: colt like you. You've taken Queens everywhere.
Speaker 3: That that is true. Let me tell you how it is.
Speaker 3: Look we look up to nas. You look at the
Speaker 3: Jordan right like Nasa is. Like imagine growing up in
Speaker 3: NASA's he grew up right here, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's insane, right. So, but Na's told me one time,
Speaker 3: he's like, yo, you the man like Na's this say, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know you. I say, I say, what up?
Speaker 1: King?
Speaker 3: He said no you? I said, hell no, I ain't
Speaker 3: you the king? Now I get out here with that.
Speaker 1: You the king?
Speaker 3: You're the king that I called myself the Prince of Queensbridge.
Speaker 1: There that's fine.
Speaker 3: No, but you know, yeah, I want to be the
Speaker 3: head coach because one since nineteen ninety nine, I've been
Speaker 3: trying to get to the Knicks. Baron we was at
Speaker 3: the draft together. I had to yes, I remember that.
Speaker 3: I thought that was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Bro it happened.
Speaker 3: I was Baron came into my room.
Speaker 1: I was ironing in my my.
Speaker 3: Sivil dollar bills. I was like, I'm gonna have more
Speaker 3: money this. I wanted to go to the draft, Crispy,
Speaker 3: So I ironed all my my singles.
Speaker 1: I had.
Speaker 5: I had about thirty five singles. So then we get
Speaker 5: to the draft. He came from my room beat, Oh
Speaker 5: my god. So so I'll get to the draft. I
Speaker 5: was projected to go top ten. You know, even if
Speaker 5: you look at the draft, you'll see I was projected
Speaker 5: to go top ten. But I was telling my agent
Speaker 5: is let it get the fifteen please? So I get
Speaker 5: to fifteen.
Speaker 3: I got the knit warm up under the practice Jersey Gay.
Speaker 3: I was ready to get drafted. Rip it open like
Speaker 3: New York in the building, we win this title. That
Speaker 3: was the whole player, right, So they passed on me.
Speaker 3: The bulls take me next. I'm walking on stage looking
Speaker 3: at Missus. I got the bull of Jesus right there.
Speaker 3: I'm looking. I'm not even oh, I'm looking at tops
Speaker 3: like yo, what today? Even staring right there?
Speaker 1: So remember boss to come remember the bus.
Speaker 2: That's what he was. He was heydud. I couldnot believe
Speaker 2: that I was crying. I could not believe that I
Speaker 2: could everybody. It was like everybody knew. Everybody knew that was.
Speaker 3: Here supposed to go to the city. He was supposed
Speaker 3: to go to the city. It was supposed to happen.
Speaker 3: I'm a New York ledge so many championship so when
Speaker 3: it didn't happen, you know, I love the Bulls, I
Speaker 3: would go to the Bulls, go to Indiana. I was
Speaker 3: always thinking about going back to the Knicks. But now
Speaker 3: I'm building. Uh so, you know a family in Indiana,
Speaker 3: which is like my second home now, right. So then
Speaker 3: almost in twenty ten, I almost went to the Knicks again,
Speaker 3: but Mellows available, all these other player Lebron's head now,
Speaker 3: so I was like, it's priority now, right, Even though
Speaker 3: I was still a pretty good player, I thought they
Speaker 3: should have picked me up. I'm a New York City player.
Speaker 3: But it proved my point that if they were to
Speaker 3: pick me, imagine that defensive player of the Year in
Speaker 3: New York. Imagine being I was on the best team
Speaker 3: in the East. You know, you heard, you know it
Speaker 3: was a little bit so that could have been in
Speaker 3: New York. So then I go to the New York
Speaker 3: At the end of my career, I'm like, this is
Speaker 3: great like I'm in New York like it was a
Speaker 3: blessed and shout out to the next do I love
Speaker 3: the next organization after the next shout out to all.
Speaker 3: So then at the end of my career, I knew
Speaker 3: I was going to get into coaching because when I
Speaker 3: was at my last two years with the Lakers, I
Speaker 3: was I would leave practice of one of my Palisades
Speaker 3: girls practice. That's when I started coaching. I always wanted
Speaker 3: to coach, so I did two years at Palisades with
Speaker 3: coach Trino Johnson, and we won two championships there. I
Speaker 3: was like an assistant coach. I do the G League
Speaker 3: when I retire half a season part time because I
Speaker 3: was I wasn't really into it fully when I want
Speaker 3: I needed a break from basketball. Yeah, and I wanted
Speaker 3: to spend time with my family too. I had a
Speaker 3: long career. So then what I did was I became
Speaker 3: an assistant coach associate head coach at cal Stay in
Speaker 3: LA for seven years, the last seven years up to
Speaker 3: now at A. Now, yeah, it's Division two, but I
Speaker 3: did try to get some opportunities, which is nobody's fault.
Speaker 3: But I just could not get on it. NBA team Now,
Speaker 3: I could have got on the Lakers, but the timing
Speaker 3: was on the Lakers GD but the timing was bad
Speaker 3: because I needed a break from basketball, so the time
Speaker 3: was bad to go to the Lakers. So that window left,
Speaker 3: But I just kept coaching. I had some coaches that
Speaker 3: said they might call me, they might call me. I
Speaker 3: had no call back. You know, I was trying to
Speaker 3: give g Lea's. I was trying to get ahead, get there,
Speaker 3: but no calls back. So you know, in the old school,
Speaker 3: if I need to go into the gym and a
Speaker 3: gym is closed, I'll just go outside of the park
Speaker 3: and work on my gang. That's what I've been doing
Speaker 3: over the last seven years. I've been working on my craft.
Speaker 3: I'm on my shiz nick right now where it comes
Speaker 3: to coachure because I've been through the emotion. He took
Speaker 3: a team from the last twenty to thirty years before
Speaker 3: I got there, no NCAA appearances, to having the rough
Speaker 3: first year. Second, you got better to make it an
Speaker 3: NCAA two years in a row and being ranked in
Speaker 3: Vision two, you know, in the top ten in the preseason. Now, greated,
Speaker 3: we had an injury last year, right, But that's coaching
Speaker 3: and now. So I didn't expect this nit job to
Speaker 3: be available by the way I was. Actually I was
Speaker 3: in I was on the island, like literally at a
Speaker 3: coffee shop. I get the tweet, I'm like, ooh, I
Speaker 3: gotta get on the but but but I'm ready for
Speaker 3: that moment. It's like dre if you pick, if you
Speaker 3: set a double screen, you know, call it the left
Speaker 3: corner double screen, and they show too much, you're gonna slip.
Speaker 3: You're not thinking about that, you slipping boom. That's that's
Speaker 3: I saw the opportunity. I slipped, you know, I saw
Speaker 3: the shot. I took it. I gotta send that tweet
Speaker 3: out now because that's how ready I am. That's how
Speaker 3: ready I'm ready for the press. You mentioned that earlier,
Speaker 3: like oh, these guys is not ready. I'm ready for
Speaker 3: the press. I wanted this opportunity. This is in the
Speaker 3: back of my head forever. So when you saw it,
Speaker 3: then I say, I got to create the momentum because
Speaker 3: I don't have an agent. This is a one man band.
Speaker 1: You think you think you think you can coach, all right,
Speaker 1: so listen, say abe, the Knicks don't make a trade,
Speaker 1: right The Knicks don't do anything. They come back with
Speaker 1: the same team next year, right, you think you can
Speaker 1: coach those guys to a chapel.
Speaker 3: My A game right now. I'm on my A game
Speaker 3: for sure, like and so let's just speaking it from
Speaker 3: that perspective. This is not like saying I'm not in
Speaker 3: the talks. Nobody has called me, so I'm not. This
Speaker 3: is no pressure on the Knicks. I love the Knicks
Speaker 3: organization because I also do a lot of community service
Speaker 3: with the Knicks. But this is not to put any
Speaker 3: pressure on the n This is just talking as you know,
Speaker 3: I honed to be on the show for sure. Like
Speaker 3: when I look at I'm a Pacer fan, I'm at
Speaker 3: the pace the game today one. I'm gonna be honest, transparent.
Speaker 3: But when I look at that game, it was little
Speaker 3: thing we talked about, the little things. I don't want
Speaker 3: to give it all away because I want to save
Speaker 3: it for when I coach, But we talked about not
Speaker 3: being ready, you know, or things they could have done different.
Speaker 3: You look at the end of the fourth quarters, what happened.
Speaker 3: Even the bounce alone with Halliburton, that's soft touched. Even
Speaker 3: that one bounce goes the right way we're talking. It
Speaker 3: have been a different series, you know in the Guard.
Speaker 1: So just from that.
Speaker 3: Alone and that experience alone, they're gonna get better because
Speaker 3: they learned they got their buck kicked this year, you know,
Speaker 3: at home. So they're gonna get better and now and
Speaker 3: then you get a chance to coach at Brunson. Brunton
Speaker 3: is different. Brunton is not the same mentality as a
Speaker 3: lot of people. He went to gartt That's what Caromelo did.
Speaker 3: Carmelo went to the Garden when everybody else did not
Speaker 3: want to go to the Garden. Everybody wanted to follow
Speaker 3: because of the pressure baron you, dope, you played in
Speaker 3: New York BD. So for never I think I got
Speaker 3: that I would have the team. We would be expected
Speaker 3: to him. Obviously, you're gonna have the staff. It's not
Speaker 3: gonna just be metal World peace on the bench by itself,
Speaker 3: like or getting people's d waughter. We all have a
Speaker 3: dote staff, right and then yeah, well we'll we'll we'll
Speaker 3: compete and win the title. He's like, we don't have
Speaker 3: no other build. I only got one. I'm not I'm
Speaker 3: not speaking like from a Draymond perspective, Like Draymond got
Speaker 3: full Drake could come a heare and say we're gonna win.
Speaker 3: For sure, We're gonna win. I'm coming over here saying
Speaker 3: we are going with I got one. I'm coming on
Speaker 3: here saying, yeah, we're coming to win the title in
Speaker 3: New York City.
Speaker 1: And that and for you, that means more to you
Speaker 1: than just an NBA title because you're from New York.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been trying to get to I've been trying
Speaker 3: to get to New York for quite some time. The
Speaker 3: whole story is different. It's one I have the experience
Speaker 3: right because I played in the league. I got your champion, Champion,
Speaker 3: Winnie Rolls did what I had to do. Then part
Speaker 3: two everywhere up in New York City, from UDC to
Speaker 3: Millbank to Miniscing to one forty fifth to one nineteenth
Speaker 3: second to Kingdom, Taruka pieces championships there whole time, he's
Speaker 3: his MVPs and champion. So I got all. I got
Speaker 3: this history in New York City. When you combine that together,
Speaker 3: it's it is a perfect time and the win a title. Now,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna apologize to a few people. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be legendary after this.
Speaker 1: Sorry, so so I asked you this question as someone
Speaker 1: who's then in the NBA following your footsteps. Well, we
Speaker 1: don't take bullshit. We're not going for that. We're willing
Speaker 1: to go to whatever lengths to show you we're not
Speaker 1: going for that, right right. What do you say to
Speaker 1: the guy who's like, yeah, but you can't keep your
Speaker 1: head because.
Speaker 3: You're gonna lose it.
Speaker 1: You You not like when even when I watch you play,
Speaker 1: you lose that. That's what they say to me.
Speaker 3: What do you say to that guy, which I might
Speaker 3: call you Dre and say, hey, what do you think?
Speaker 6: But when you're coaching a knucklehead or immature person like
Speaker 6: Metal or whatever case they be, I think it's it's
Speaker 6: it's it's connecting, you know.
Speaker 3: It's like I was in a different situation. That's why
Speaker 3: I love how you play, Dre, because you never put
Speaker 3: your You never was detrimental to your team. You was
Speaker 3: detrimental to yourself at times, which is why dem you're
Speaker 3: gonna see some d ms from you, You're gonna see them.
Speaker 3: But you was never detrimental to your team. I didn't
Speaker 3: have that, you know, And I learned a lot from you,
Speaker 3: by the way, I learned a lot from Stephen Curry,
Speaker 3: not even to I don't even talk to Stephan but
Speaker 3: I watched with Ali learned at the end of my career.
Speaker 3: So you know, for from that perspective, you know you're
Speaker 3: coaching emotional, right, We all emotional. We got big egos,
Speaker 3: We got big egos, right, I understand that. And for me,
Speaker 3: you know, certain things just don't stress me out.
Speaker 1: So so a guy like me playing against your team.
Speaker 1: You went the Knicks, you the head coach, and I'm
Speaker 1: out there trying to bully Carl Towns like you not cut.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna take I'm gonna take your
Speaker 2: thirteenth man off the bitch, and I'm gonna put him
Speaker 2: in the game. And i'm gonna say, you go fuck
Speaker 2: with Draymond over there. Out of Draymond, you read in
Speaker 2: this chest and say something to all. Then I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give him an io against you, and I don't care
Speaker 2: if you stop them, if they're you're the charge. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna make an offensive foul against Jamond. Then the third
Speaker 2: time down, I'm gonna let him file your glass again.
Speaker 1: But after that, oh ship, then we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna sit there. Now I'm just sitting down on the
Speaker 2: bench and you gonna talk to all night.
Speaker 1: I guess what, Hey, listen, guess what. Guess what? Guess what?
Speaker 1: Bed now run our test. Gotta go be the head
Speaker 1: coach or the New York Knicks. Yeah, that's all cool,
Speaker 1: that's all fine and dandy. You got that me, But
Speaker 1: now you gotta go be the head coach of the
Speaker 1: New York Knicks.
Speaker 3: I think, without putting too much pressure, I'm gonna support
Speaker 3: the NIXT regardless. Let's say that he didn't pick me,
Speaker 3: which I don't want that to happen.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that people, even assistant coach, so even
Speaker 2: assistant coach man starting off somewhere be.
Speaker 3: Don't mention that type of stuff through that.
Speaker 1: Head coachs head coach. He coats to.
Speaker 3: Save DBD for some sage. Be ready, baby, be ready,
Speaker 3: And youn't want to know something. I know what New
Speaker 3: York City is like, say we don't win, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be the biggest food in New York City. You understand,
Speaker 3: I don't do I want that. I'm ready for it, but.
Speaker 1: They don't want at your ass, You're gonna walk down
Speaker 1: the street. What are you gonna do? Well?
Speaker 2: Y'all losing and you walk down the street or somebody's tomato,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna turn the cheek.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn out the cheek. You got to hey, listen,
Speaker 1: before we move on, I must say this, when I
Speaker 1: look at the New York k next Sea, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna be one hundred percent honest with the ball for
Speaker 1: you because I got the utmost respect for the both
Speaker 1: of y'all, and y'all are connected to the the next organization,
Speaker 1: and so I'm gonna be one hundred percent honest with
Speaker 1: the both of y'all. I think when I look at
Speaker 1: that organization, does Tom Thibot'll help you win an NBA
Speaker 1: championship or not? I don't know. I'm not certain that
Speaker 1: he does. I'm not certain that he doesn't. But what
Speaker 1: I am certain of is that the culture of that
Speaker 1: organization is going to be proper. It's going to be
Speaker 1: the right way. They're going to go about things the
Speaker 1: right way. Yeah. So I've watched this team, now, this organization,
Speaker 1: as someone who knows what it means to win championships,
Speaker 1: and know what it means to look like championships, and
Speaker 1: to know what it should look like in order to
Speaker 1: win it it be a championship. Excuse me, Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: watched his team. Now, this organization fire a guy who
Speaker 1: I think is he goes about his business the right way.
Speaker 1: Will he win a championship for you? I don't know.
Speaker 1: But what I've watched is this team now go after
Speaker 1: four or five head coaches and be denied the opportunity
Speaker 1: to speak to them. And when I see that, I say, hmm.
Speaker 1: What I do know this team needs is someone who's
Speaker 1: going to be respected when because see, here's what you
Speaker 1: gotta understand. For me, as someone who's won four championships
Speaker 1: in this league, who would turn to your bench and say, oh, y'all,
Speaker 1: fucking week and your coach suck and I don't believe
Speaker 1: in y'all because I'll say that to your bench and
Speaker 1: annihilate your bench and crush your bench, because all of
Speaker 1: that matters when you're talking about winning a championship. As
Speaker 1: someone who would say that, I would actually say that now,
Speaker 1: whereas I think it's different. Is this is just me
Speaker 1: being keeping it a hundred with both of y'all, because
Speaker 1: that's how I'm going to keep it. When I take
Speaker 1: a step back, I look at you, and I say
Speaker 1: there's no chance I'd ever come to your bitch and say,
Speaker 1: all you motherfucker's week, I'll beat all y'all. There's no
Speaker 1: chance y'all can win. There's no chance y'all can beat us.
Speaker 1: Because when people have never won a championship, they don't
Speaker 1: understand the value of that thing, which is how important
Speaker 1: it is that the people that walk past your bitch
Speaker 1: have respect for your bitch. People don't understand that thing.
Speaker 1: And so when I look at the next situation, I
Speaker 1: say me personally, they need someone that commands this respect
Speaker 1: of a time Tiboteau. They need someone one that commands
Speaker 1: the respect of the NBA. But they're going to think
Speaker 1: that with that team that they were really a conference
Speaker 1: finals team, And I actually think they need someone like
Speaker 1: you to say.
Speaker 3: Maybe we weren't. Maybe we were.
Speaker 1: But the respect that's going to be had towards our
Speaker 1: bench is the respect and these that have be had
Speaker 1: towards the championship. And so my thing would be, what
Speaker 1: is one of us to do when you're viewed as
Speaker 1: metal world peace, Run our test the basketball player and
Speaker 1: not met a world piece. Run our test the guy
Speaker 1: who's going to command the respect on a bench, that
Speaker 1: that a bench must have in order to compete at
Speaker 1: a championship level.
Speaker 3: How do we beat that thing? You mean, how to
Speaker 3: be accomplished?
Speaker 1: That like, how to be Yeah, I mean for me.
Speaker 1: And see here's what I said, how do we beat
Speaker 1: that thing? Because I said that, and this ain't you talking,
Speaker 1: This is me talking. I said that because I feel
Speaker 1: like when I say beat that thing, that's also something
Speaker 1: we're up against in order to pre success. So that's
Speaker 1: why I said it that way. That's not you speaking, Yes,
Speaker 1: be speaking. But how do we get past that thing
Speaker 1: to where me personally, as someone who's gone through this
Speaker 1: league and won championships, if I see you on a sideline,
Speaker 1: there's a different respect that I'm gonna have for someone else.
Speaker 1: How do we shat that thing of like you're a
Speaker 1: current player, because in our world they use that against us,
Speaker 1: like you don't know what you're talking about way, But
Speaker 1: in every other world, if you did that, you're the
Speaker 1: guy for the job. So how do we beat that
Speaker 1: thing now?
Speaker 3: And it's true, you know, I feel like and then
Speaker 3: a lot of the stuff that people worry about too,
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily worry about. I'm focused on your strategy.
Speaker 3: What I'm gonna do when I when I get my opportunity,
Speaker 3: I know, be the alluded to like an assistant coach
Speaker 3: and Joe role I never I'm actually open to a lot.
Speaker 3: I'd be an assistant coach. Bro, you mean that coach.
Speaker 2: I'll be the assistant courage I have to call you.
Speaker 2: Come on, come on, come on, man, I'll be an
Speaker 2: assistant coach.
Speaker 3: You know how much pressure it is being in New
Speaker 3: York and this is not like the scarybody's gonna support
Speaker 3: anybody because of the job. But for me to come
Speaker 3: out like this and talk about and the fans, you know,
Speaker 3: some fans already like hell no, I'm going back. I'm
Speaker 3: like really taking that head on, like I'm not afraid
Speaker 3: of this moment.
Speaker 1: That bill for it you built for Yeah, you you
Speaker 1: born to do this, you know it. You You're a
Speaker 1: great person. You're great with people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you embody, you embody New York basketball, and you
Speaker 2: embody basketball too. For somebody you know as a superstar
Speaker 2: all star. Seeing your trajectory from kids and seeing you
Speaker 2: now like you you've mastered all levels of a player
Speaker 2: and you've won all you know, You've won at the
Speaker 2: highest level at a as an integral part of a
Speaker 2: team where you had to be a thinker, where you
Speaker 2: had to be an adjuster, where you had to think strategy,
Speaker 2: where you had to be a disruptor to compliment superstars.
Speaker 1: So you know what a superstar needs.
Speaker 2: You know what a rising star needs, right, you know
Speaker 2: what a young and upcoming dude who's looking for that
Speaker 2: motivation or that opportunity, Like you can relate on so
Speaker 2: many levels because you've played all those different roles in
Speaker 2: your journey, and I think a lot of that was
Speaker 2: by choice, right, being a superstar and then decide all right,
Speaker 2: well I'm gonna go over here and be the ultimate
Speaker 2: role player and then the work your system like that.
Speaker 2: So I commend you, bro, if you need an assistant
Speaker 2: coach from there, Uh, let's go. We're on campaign matter
Speaker 2: for next coach.
Speaker 1: You got my vote. He Here's the thing you though.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that I will say. I don't even
Speaker 1: think it's a campaign situation. I'll just tell you from
Speaker 1: what I see and watching, the thing is they had
Speaker 1: a head coach that requires that, it requires and demands respect,
Speaker 1: and he's brilliant in what he knows. He is a
Speaker 1: defensive guru so much so that I'm gonna just keep
Speaker 1: a g with y'all. I'm sorry if this is the
Speaker 1: team you're gonna be coaching in two months. But to
Speaker 1: go to the Conference finals with Jalen Bruston and Carl
Speaker 1: Towns on the defensive end, I ain't talking about what
Speaker 1: Jalen Bronson and Carl Towns do and who they are
Speaker 1: as players. I'm just talking about over the course of
Speaker 1: an NBA season, Jalen Brunston and Carl Towns are two
Speaker 1: people over the course of that season that you say.
Speaker 3: We can pick on them.
Speaker 1: To go to the conference finals with two guys that
Speaker 1: you can pick on, I think that's brilliant because it's
Speaker 1: so hard to align all the schedules to do this thing,
Speaker 1: to do that thing, blah blah blah. I actually like
Speaker 1: that talent. It actually has to align with this time period.
Speaker 1: Like you can like a talent, but if it don't
Speaker 1: align with that time period, it actually doesn't work. And
Speaker 1: so when I take a step back, I look at
Speaker 1: it and it actually aligns. And so for me, when
Speaker 1: I take a step back and I look at it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, The Knicks requested Jason Kidd, The Knicks
Speaker 1: requested email you donk The Knicks requested Chris Finch, And
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck about the Knicks. How y'all do?
Speaker 1: So there's one more person, oh that they just recommend
Speaker 1: it and it didn't matter. Rin Snyder, Yeah, Quinn Snyder right,
Speaker 1: So they it didn't matter. So when I look at
Speaker 1: the Knicks and I take a step back, I'm like, Yo,
Speaker 1: they have to have someone as the coach that is
Speaker 1: respected amongst the players that they play, but that's also
Speaker 1: respected amongst the players that they have on their team,
Speaker 1: or they're going to make a big mistake. And so
Speaker 1: when I look at it, and I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 1: when you threw your name in the hat, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I never knew matter what was going to coach, but
Speaker 1: I look at their situation. They need someone like you.
Speaker 3: And you know, a lot of people didn't know I
Speaker 3: was coaching, but some people do. And just on to
Speaker 3: go on the record, I was trying to coach many times.
Speaker 3: It's just bad timing. And I can't force someone to
Speaker 3: put me on their staff. And I can't force someone to,
Speaker 3: you know, make me to coach at the gle go
Speaker 3: even WNBA. I was trying everything, but what I get interview?
Speaker 3: You know, huh, they gotta give you an interview, bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I couldn't even get an interview from all
Speaker 3: my mind. But what I did do was I was coaching.
Speaker 3: I wasn't just sitting at home waiting. I was coaching.
Speaker 3: And you're talking about six am practice. So what time
Speaker 3: am I up every day? At five am? That's way harder. Nothing,
Speaker 3: you know, put anybody down, but that's way harder to
Speaker 3: not get paid as a volunteer coach taking the job serious,
Speaker 3: you know. And we don't have a budget at Division
Speaker 3: two basketball. We gotta go on Southwest. I'm on Southwest.
Speaker 3: Were driving vans and this is specifically, yeah, this one.
Speaker 3: People don't realize. I saw Charles the other day and
Speaker 3: I was like, Charles, I need you to advocate for me.
Speaker 3: Charles said, you don't even coach. I said, Charles, that's
Speaker 3: not true, man, that's not true. I coach. I coach
Speaker 3: all the time. Man, I'm coaching every day. I'm on
Speaker 3: you can catch me on Division two TV.
Speaker 1: You can.
Speaker 3: And actually we played Stanford this year in the Stanford
Speaker 3: coach in the Division one powerhouse, right, So we played
Speaker 3: him in the preseason. She was like, this team is
Speaker 3: very well prepared and that's a video. Now she didn't
Speaker 3: say our names, but that's our team. And yeah it's
Speaker 3: it's girls and not guys. But it don't matter because
Speaker 3: you're coaching. You're trying to get a team to beat another.
Speaker 2: Team, catching basketball, coaching basketball exactly.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 1: I think in order for again, this is just me
Speaker 1: talking to y'all, and I guess it goes out to
Speaker 1: the world. But I don't think that's a championship team.
Speaker 1: But I think in order for that team to compete
Speaker 1: at that level, they have to have someone like you
Speaker 1: or it just doesn't work, like it'll never work like
Speaker 1: you have. In order to compete at the level of
Speaker 1: conference championships in the NBA, you have to have generational talents.
Speaker 1: And I think when it comes to that, if you
Speaker 1: don't have a generational talent, for instance, they any of
Speaker 1: the Patiers, I don't think they have generational talents. However,
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, you must have people that
Speaker 1: are respected at that level. And if you don't have
Speaker 1: people that are respected at that level and you just
Speaker 1: have generational talents, they become talents that in ten years,
Speaker 1: twenty years, we look back from now and we're like, man,
Speaker 1: that person was supposed to be that good. That person
Speaker 1: was supposed to be that good. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: if you don't, these people aren't in search of the
Speaker 1: generational talents. But I will say I think that NIXT
Speaker 1: team needs someone like you because if they think they're
Speaker 1: going to geinst someone who's like, I'm exis and old,
Speaker 1: I'm an X and O guy, we're gonna make this
Speaker 1: team do that, it's wrong. It don't work. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna win, gonna lose in the first round. And that's
Speaker 1: just that. So I pray to God that you can
Speaker 1: be viewed as what you should be viewed at and
Speaker 1: as far as this job goes, because we're the only
Speaker 1: industry in the world that you can have extreme experience
Speaker 1: as something even more experience than the person that's up
Speaker 1: against you, and the experience is used against you. So
Speaker 1: I think the Knicks needs.
Speaker 3: Someone like you.
Speaker 1: I think, when I look at it, someone that I
Speaker 1: played against that think the game. I don't think players
Speaker 1: think the game anymore. I just that's just my opinion.
Speaker 1: But as someone who think the game had to think
Speaker 1: the game and what shows you how to think the
Speaker 1: game is you were great at scoring, that's great. That
Speaker 1: didn't make you become who you became. What made you
Speaker 1: become who you actually became was taking that back seat
Speaker 1: and winning the championship. And to see someone do that
Speaker 1: and know that someone's willing to sacrifice all that they've
Speaker 1: been in their entire life to do that thing as
Speaker 1: the person that I want, that I want as my coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it. Man. I had to throw my
Speaker 3: name in the hat. I ain't even you know, ruffle
Speaker 3: any feathers, but you know, you don't get a lot
Speaker 3: of opportunities in life. And you know what's so crazy
Speaker 3: about it? I threw my name in the hat. And
Speaker 3: look wherever we are today. Yep, it's it's, you know,
Speaker 3: so hopeful, hopefully this thing happens, and I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: so ready, you know, to perform and confine.
Speaker 1: No doubt. Can I ask you a question that's there,
Speaker 1: please do? What's that the hell made you change your
Speaker 1: name from ron Arch testamental world peace? Yo? Oh wait
Speaker 1: before you answered, Because I as a fan watching the
Speaker 1: game and sagging all Michigan, I'm like, what the hell? Oh,
Speaker 1: what the hell made you change your name.
Speaker 3: You know, I needed to evolve your my career as
Speaker 3: wild Drey. It was just like, couldn't you know when
Speaker 3: I was playing, my two of my siblings was in
Speaker 3: a psychle world, Right, So you can't There's nothing you
Speaker 3: could do. I could control everything else right in life,
Speaker 3: I can help people, but I can't get my siblings
Speaker 3: off medication. Right, So that's one. Then you when you
Speaker 3: pallel on like not being able to you know, I
Speaker 3: didn't necessarily have the skill set to raise family. Now
Speaker 3: I had my first child at sixteen, right, So so
Speaker 3: then now you enter in the league as a father.
Speaker 3: You know, I was, I was a fuck, you know
Speaker 3: literally at nineteen years old, and so I didn't know
Speaker 3: how to navigate that. And then another thing was the alcohol.
Speaker 3: Like when I was drinking, I didn't realize how much
Speaker 3: of a depressident it was. So when you got all
Speaker 3: that stress of things going on, if you don't understand
Speaker 3: the alcohols are depressant and you got a motor it
Speaker 3: just works against you.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: So then at some point, you know, as I when
Speaker 3: I had when I stopped drinking, because I did for
Speaker 3: a long time in my career, not a simple alcohol.
Speaker 3: And when I stopped and I reflected, I'm like, damn,
Speaker 3: kind of embarrassing, you know. I was like, Dad, that's
Speaker 3: kind of weird thing, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff that was happening. So I was
Speaker 3: trying to evolve and move forward because everything's already out there.
Speaker 3: But I know, I knew where I wanted to go
Speaker 3: in my life. So I said, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: change my name. I'm gonna do my thing because I
Speaker 3: got to block out everybody because you know, you know,
Speaker 3: from from my perspective, like people were things just coming
Speaker 3: from everywhere, media, fans all the time, all the time
Speaker 3: online and everything. But I needed to really focus to
Speaker 3: get here where I'm at today. So I think the
Speaker 3: name can it was a point to me.
Speaker 1: So now today you go uh Ron our tests center
Speaker 1: for it. No.
Speaker 3: No, So I kept met at my wife. Her name
Speaker 3: is Sandy For. So when I got married, I changed
Speaker 3: my last name to her last name, so I was
Speaker 3: meta world Peace, but it's meta sandafor And she took
Speaker 3: our tests so it's met a standoford Our tests. So
Speaker 3: that's the only reason why that exists, because you know,
Speaker 3: she demanded that I changed my name to her.
Speaker 2: Last give her a defensive player in the year. You
Speaker 2: gotta tell me she get defensive player.
Speaker 1: A lot? You got a lot? Yeah, man, that's some.
Speaker 1: That's some lockdown B faced to.
Speaker 3: Feel a medici?
Speaker 1: What time out doing?
Speaker 3: Runs?
Speaker 1: You again? Haven't the mental that we know, which is like,
Speaker 1: I'm a dog, I'll destroy you. How you just side
Speaker 1: how you decided that that was gonna be the thing,
Speaker 1: because it's total opposite of the way we know, right,
Speaker 1: like the woman take the man last name? All right,
Speaker 1: Like that's total opposite of.
Speaker 3: What we know. Yeah, come on, you got that. We
Speaker 3: was in the courtroom and and I was like, ain't
Speaker 3: no way. I'm a man. I never made my name
Speaker 3: to your last name. I said, I ain't doing anything
Speaker 3: in the courtroom. And then you know, she's like, no,
Speaker 3: you're gonna do it. No, I Hey, I'm a I'm
Speaker 3: men who world Peace. I said, all right, I'll change
Speaker 3: your dogs. I'm signing the paper like this is some BS.
Speaker 3: But it was worth it, man, she was worth it.
Speaker 3: That's too funny. Like my stage name is Metiworld Peace.
Speaker 3: I'll be telling people you'll please call me medi world Peace.
Speaker 3: You know the other name is like, you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's good. But MENI world Piece is my name, my
Speaker 3: stage name.
Speaker 1: So what is your actual name today?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's we we shared last name and metal. Her
Speaker 3: last name is Santa for last ur test to be
Speaker 3: brought back ar test, medicine ford our tests. That's that's
Speaker 3: my Yeah, that's that's what I changed it to when
Speaker 3: I got married.
Speaker 1: By the way, just so well clear. Only you could
Speaker 1: do that and get away with it. No one can
Speaker 1: get away with that.
Speaker 3: Wait when you when you put medicine befod our test.
Speaker 3: I text my people, I say, okay, you have Dreymond
Speaker 3: and change it back to metal world Peace set a
Speaker 3: stage name out there. I'm yeah, but it was you
Speaker 3: know it was worth it.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Actually, my daughter did the same thing when she got married.
Speaker 3: She kept art testing. He trying to get her husband.
Speaker 3: Husband's like, nah, I'm keeping my last man. You can
Speaker 3: keep your onself a little bit more of a man
Speaker 3: than me. That's fire man. Listen.
Speaker 1: I'm so learned something. I'm so thankful and I know
Speaker 1: BD I speak for the both of us, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna speak for myself. I'm so thankful for you coming
Speaker 1: on this show because I personally, and BD is going
Speaker 1: to speak on spl but I personally, I don't respect
Speaker 1: people because you played in the NBA like that. That
Speaker 1: that just don't work for me. And I know people
Speaker 1: judge me for that. People are like, Oh, that's a legend,
Speaker 1: you should do this. That that that just don't work
Speaker 1: for me. My mom taught me people earned respect, and
Speaker 1: the people that have earned respect from me, they earn
Speaker 1: my respect. And that's just whether the rest of the
Speaker 1: world respects you or think about you in the same
Speaker 1: way I think about you has absolutely nothing to do
Speaker 1: with me. I can only speak for myself. And when
Speaker 1: I tell you you coming on this show and speaking
Speaker 1: the way you spoke and being who you being and
Speaker 1: not being afraid to say what you wanted to say
Speaker 1: is so uplifting to me because I feel like that's
Speaker 1: how I've gone about my whole career and to know
Speaker 1: that I could still be in the position to be
Speaker 1: the knixt head coach and just being Draymond Green by
Speaker 1: watching you run our test, just be run our test
Speaker 1: and be in position and the best candidate to be
Speaker 1: the head coach of the Knicks because you've done it,
Speaker 1: you've studied it, you've lived it. You're not afraid to
Speaker 1: tell a guy you did this wrong, because we see
Speaker 1: that all the time in the NBA, where someone don't
Speaker 1: want to lose their job. They protect their job and
Speaker 1: won't tell that guy you did something wrong. When I
Speaker 1: take a step back and I look at that and
Speaker 1: to have this conversation with you, I'm so extremely thankful
Speaker 1: for you coming on the show, for you having this
Speaker 1: time with us, and I just want these people to know,
Speaker 1: by the way, we can talk so much more basketball,
Speaker 1: but b D and I was just so much more
Speaker 1: interested in the person. So we can do that any day.
Speaker 1: But I'm so thankful for you coming on the show.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I think you should be the next
Speaker 1: head coach because they're gonna hire someone that they think
Speaker 1: is a coach and they gonna lose. So I'm just
Speaker 1: throwing it out there. Appreciate you coming on the show.
Speaker 2: Brother my life. Man, we got me and the dude,
Speaker 2: we got, we got drafted together. We was in the
Speaker 2: McDonald's All American together. We was in a Nike camp together,
Speaker 2: Woston shoot Out, first All Star Gaming. Go yeah, come
Speaker 2: on USA team together.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: You know you know how I feel about you, Rogers,
Speaker 2: what I look up to you. I love your journey.
Speaker 2: I'm glad I've been a part of your journey. I'm
Speaker 2: glad I get to be an up close fan of
Speaker 2: your journey. And more importantly, I'm just a fan of
Speaker 2: what you've done after your career right to see you,
Speaker 2: you know, continue to evolve into the businessman. You are
Speaker 2: now the coach. The basketball mine has always been there.
Speaker 2: Now you claiming and going after coaching. I just fully
Speaker 2: support you, man, because everything you do you put your
Speaker 2: heart and soul into it and it turns out great.
Speaker 1: And you are you are basketball right.
Speaker 2: You are the passion, you are the heart, You on
Speaker 2: the internet intellect, and I'm just thankfully for you to
Speaker 2: be on the show.
Speaker 1: I'll probably see you next week. Anyway, you've been dodging me.
Speaker 2: You've been dodging me lately, bro, even doing it boy,
Speaker 2: and now you tell me living Indiana, So I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: usually my dog come around the finals.
Speaker 1: We have our little.
Speaker 3: Finals party and you at the carib you have the
Speaker 3: Finals house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm at the Finals House.
Speaker 3: Did you been at that already?
Speaker 1: I have ye, Jake, Jake did y at the studio.
Speaker 1: I've been in the studio off for the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, threat on, I love that man. You just innovative
Speaker 3: that you've been inspiring us. Also on the business side
Speaker 3: of the entrepreneurship side, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 3: to see like what y'all doing and dream I've been
Speaker 3: watching you. I actually reached out to you playing time
Speaker 3: you just see your deals, but just watching how you
Speaker 3: you know, because I need to learn too. You know,
Speaker 3: we retired, we bet some players be like lost. We've
Speaker 3: seen this happen the players many times all the time,
Speaker 3: you know, Glen little bit my boy or a big
Speaker 3: baby like it's not a good look. And we got
Speaker 3: to be supportive. And I was not afraid to look
Speaker 3: up to you guys.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I wasn't afraid to watch le Bron, somebody that competed
Speaker 3: against to watch you how you how you how you're
Speaker 3: a win? It taught me how to be a winner.
Speaker 3: You understand the timeline we retire. We don't have a
Speaker 3: skill set. How did I get a skill set? Well,
Speaker 3: I look at people like you or Stephan Carey and
Speaker 3: Lebron and then talking to Beatie, going to Bed's office
Speaker 3: and asking questions. I don't care if I say I'm done,
Speaker 3: But you guys taught me so much, especially that worried team,
Speaker 3: just watching how y'all connect, you know, and watching how
Speaker 3: y'all play together, because I didn't have that concept even
Speaker 3: when I was Indiana. It was more of a selfish
Speaker 3: thing and I just didn't have the concept.
Speaker 1: That y'all had.
Speaker 3: But I was able to get it at the end.
Speaker 3: Even though it was a little too late for that
Speaker 3: Indiana team, but it wasn't too late for this new
Speaker 3: team in life, you know what I mean. So I
Speaker 3: appreciate you, like you know, and it's don't sweat to
Speaker 3: stephf at all. But you know, I learned. I watched
Speaker 3: the game because that's the only record point we have.
Speaker 3: We don't have a business background. All we can do
Speaker 3: is watch the game, and I can go from what
Speaker 3: I've learned. But when I watch people perfect the game,
Speaker 3: I can watch that and add that to my life
Speaker 3: and add it to my business and how I want
Speaker 3: to move forward. So and then to see that evolved
Speaker 3: to restaurant and all this stuff, I'm like, I'm so
Speaker 3: happy to see that. And you know, thanks for the
Speaker 3: compliment and thanks for having million show. Brother.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you more than you know, man, I tell
Speaker 1: you again and again, I just don't respect people because
Speaker 1: they played in the NBA, Like some people just have
Speaker 1: talent and they get to the n b A. But
Speaker 1: that's the most so thankful, by the way, to the
Speaker 1: rest of y'all out there, we appreciate y'all. I'm honored
Speaker 1: to be with two legends. That's a rap from this
Speaker 1: episode of The Draymond Green Show with the legend Baron Davis,
Speaker 1: the legend Metal World. Peace until next time. That's a rap. Well,
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