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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Thursday, July twenty second, twenty twenty one, Season seventeen,
Speaker 1: episode number one. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: We are here in Oxnard, California, is day one of
Speaker 1: training camp two thousand twenty one, presented by American Airlines.
Speaker 1: I got Nick, I got Dave with me. Amber's out
Speaker 1: for a little while. I'm taking care of some business,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna hold it down. And I'm just happy
Speaker 1: to be back around football on a day to day basis,
Speaker 1: with no mask and just enjoying this beautiful weather. What
Speaker 1: about you, guys, I am standing grindin premiere to year.
Speaker 1: You got some new gear here. He got like a
Speaker 1: it's like a Colin Cowherd situation. Well, you know that
Speaker 1: kind of happens that, like the more experienced you get
Speaker 1: and they give you better equipment. So maybe one day
Speaker 1: you'll get you'll get there and they'll kind of hook
Speaker 1: you up like the headset. You know. Derek's the type
Speaker 1: of that he probably had that like last year, but
Speaker 1: he's like, it's got to go out for episode one
Speaker 1: of next year. You can't like laid it out the
Speaker 1: night before like the first like school. Yeah. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I gotta give all credit our producer Chris Beam. He
Speaker 1: hooked me up. He surprised me with this beautiful microphone
Speaker 1: for me to be able to use during King trying
Speaker 1: to camp here and uh and so here we go.
Speaker 1: Looks great, happy to be here, a thrilled football It's
Speaker 1: it's actually ball season. It's it's interesting because you said
Speaker 1: the same thing I think that that Jerry Jones mentioned
Speaker 1: yesterday and that opening press conference about and got pretty
Speaker 1: emotional about it and a couple of times. But really
Speaker 1: just thinking about, you know the fact that last year
Speaker 1: we didn't have this opportunity. We were all sitting at
Speaker 1: home wondering if we were gonna be able to see
Speaker 1: any practices, and then we got an opportunity to see
Speaker 1: some practices, but it was from Afar. We were all
Speaker 1: masked up. It was just a very different experience. And
Speaker 1: I told I told you Nick, I felt like all
Speaker 1: last season I really didn't have as good a handle
Speaker 1: on this team because during training campus, when we're thoroughly
Speaker 1: immersed in it, it's when we have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: really really get to know these players, and every single
Speaker 1: day you're seeing them play and perform and getting an
Speaker 1: idea of what you think. And we just didn't have
Speaker 1: that last day. If this makes you feel better or worse,
Speaker 1: you know, I was very fortunate to be able to
Speaker 1: go to the games last year and be part of it,
Speaker 1: and I missed you guys. For sure. It wasn't the same,
Speaker 1: But I didn't know what was going on with the
Speaker 1: team either. I'm sitting right there, you know. I talked
Speaker 1: to these players after every game, and I hopefully they
Speaker 1: get to know my eyes a little bit, but they
Speaker 1: haven't seen my face, you know. I mean, we got
Speaker 1: to do the interviews and stuff like that, but you know,
Speaker 1: so so yes, I hated it that you guys weren't
Speaker 1: with me on some of the games. None of us
Speaker 1: were a training camp like this. But I was very
Speaker 1: disconnected with the team too. Even though I was right there.
Speaker 1: It was it was different times. So I'm hoping that
Speaker 1: we get back to some bit of normalcy here. It's
Speaker 1: it's so it's so cool. It's so good to be here,
Speaker 1: like to I can't even describe. Yeah, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna get emotional like Jerry Jones did, but like it.
Speaker 1: It feels good man, like giving people hugs for the
Speaker 1: you know, to actually seeing other members of the Beat
Speaker 1: for the first time in fifteen months. There's John Machoda
Speaker 1: right there walking past us for the Athletic like seeing
Speaker 1: you know, I got to see and talk to some
Speaker 1: players when we flew out here and like getting situated,
Speaker 1: like saying hi to guys like oh, like you still
Speaker 1: work here? Hut, Like sure, do I know you probably
Speaker 1: didn't believe it. Yeah, It's just it feels good man.
Speaker 1: You know, the pandemics not over. I know that, like
Speaker 1: we were, then the league's gonna have some challenges and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have some challenges. It is. I was watching
Speaker 1: the TV Deer District the Bucks game. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess it's over in Milwaukee. I mean, yeah, we'll see,
Speaker 1: like there's there's probably there's gonna be some hurdles for
Speaker 1: the league and for us. I mean, like we have
Speaker 1: to get tested while we're out here. I think like
Speaker 1: there's yeah, there's stuff that you gotta be mindful of,
Speaker 1: but it feels somewhat normal, and it feels really good.
Speaker 1: I will do almost anything they ask me to do
Speaker 1: to be able to resume our normal shots again, whatever
Speaker 1: it takes, how many or whatever, let's go said he'll
Speaker 1: do anything. Super Bowl. He did say that, and we'll
Speaker 1: we'll get to that a little bit later. Um. Give
Speaker 1: give the fans though, a general sense of the sights
Speaker 1: and sounds out here. What looks the same, what looks different? Um?
Speaker 1: What do you what's your feel being around the team?
Speaker 1: Just give me some general insights for fans to kind
Speaker 1: of know what what the set up looks all from
Speaker 1: the sounds, UM standpoint there. And also it just so
Speaker 1: happens that, like the marketing team is going to blow
Speaker 1: leaves or you know, they're gonna turn on their blower
Speaker 1: about it about right when we start. Every time this
Speaker 1: is gonna be. That's just gonna be the way it is.
Speaker 1: So you'll you'll hear that those sounds for sure. No,
Speaker 1: it's different now, guy, like we're Mike McCarthy's got a
Speaker 1: new schedule, like we got time to blow the leaves
Speaker 1: on the court right, Like they're playing music at practice.
Speaker 1: Now that's gonna be wait, but background noise is gonna
Speaker 1: be all the stuff, you know, people getting ready for practice.
Speaker 1: If I had to guess, what's the real answer to
Speaker 1: your questions? Are not the real answer? Yeah, we're supposed
Speaker 1: to get us now we're jacking around. I'm trying to think,
Speaker 1: what's it's just it which I mean, I doesn't feel
Speaker 1: the same to you. I don't know. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of things that we know procedurally that's different, but does
Speaker 1: it feel the same? Okay? No, the three of us
Speaker 1: can sit here and wine all day about and it
Speaker 1: is different. You know, they're they've made accommodations for social distancing.
Speaker 1: It's nice to be around the team, but let's be real,
Speaker 1: like we don't have the same access as usual, Like
Speaker 1: we're not really allowed to go where they go. They're
Speaker 1: kind of sequestered. They've got their own little separate bubble
Speaker 1: within the campus here at the hotel um. You know,
Speaker 1: there's trailers everywhere so that they you know, the different
Speaker 1: groups can I don't completely know why, but they you know,
Speaker 1: every position. Group's got a trailer where they can kind
Speaker 1: of go and do their own thing. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Here Hard Knocks is here, Yeah, that's fifth on it.
Speaker 1: And this is this is McCarthy's first camp here too,
Speaker 1: so you know that's why. And the schedule is different,
Speaker 1: like he was saying, it was schedules earlier in the day,
Speaker 1: which I think is going to be better for us.
Speaker 1: We'll see, I mean, but I think it is. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be nice. But you know, um, but there there's
Speaker 1: there's changes. There's a lot of differences. Still. You look up,
Speaker 1: you see this, you know, you see the sunny skies
Speaker 1: and the and the weather and we're all wearing long
Speaker 1: sleeves here. That's I guess That's kind of the point
Speaker 1: I was gonna make, is I could write a I
Speaker 1: could write a book about everything that's different a normal camp,
Speaker 1: right yeah. Uh. But at the end, like it's it's
Speaker 1: training camp and Oxnard at the river Ridge Hotel, like
Speaker 1: it still feels kind of familiar and like the team
Speaker 1: is still staying in the same rooms and walk into
Speaker 1: the same cafeteria and meetings, and I mean, the schedule
Speaker 1: is different, but half these guys don't know what the
Speaker 1: old schedule was anyway, so uh, it feels different but
Speaker 1: the same. I know that doesn't make sense, but to
Speaker 1: me it does. Yeah, it absolutely does. Let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and move on. I want to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the opening press conference. So we're a number of
Speaker 1: storylines that came out of that press conference, and we've
Speaker 1: written around about them on Dallas Cowboys Com, So make
Speaker 1: sure you check that out. But just initially, give me
Speaker 1: some general impressions of what you thought coming out of
Speaker 1: that press conference of either are the three gentlemen on
Speaker 1: stage you had, Stephen, Jerry and Mike McCarthy, anything that
Speaker 1: stood out to you just as a general perception from
Speaker 1: the opening press conference, to be honest, and we don't
Speaker 1: have you know, I don't think people want to listen
Speaker 1: to this for an hour. But like I was shocked
Speaker 1: and encouraged by the vaccination stuff at the beginning of it,
Speaker 1: because it's a tricky thing to get your hands on,
Speaker 1: Like you're not gonna you're not gonna hear concrete numbers.
Speaker 1: There's a certain degree of privacy that goes into it.
Speaker 1: I get all of that, But throughout the spring in
Speaker 1: the summer, I was like man like the Cowboys. How
Speaker 1: are the Cowboys doing with their vaccination? You know, you're
Speaker 1: hearing reports like there's three teams where not even fifty
Speaker 1: percent of the team is vaccinated. I'm like, is that?
Speaker 1: And so I got to camp kind of like I
Speaker 1: wonder how many of these guys are doing this? And
Speaker 1: Jerry and Stephen Jones were like emphatic, and you know
Speaker 1: they're not going to give away names, nor should they,
Speaker 1: but for Jerry to say all but a handful of
Speaker 1: guys have taken steps toward getting vaccinated, and then five
Speaker 1: minutes later Stephen Jones says, we're going to hit the
Speaker 1: eighty five percent threshold and then some that's amazing. And
Speaker 1: I don't you know, if you have different opinions about
Speaker 1: the vaccine, I don't really care. But just from the
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of like this will help them be
Speaker 1: available to play games and not have to worry about
Speaker 1: rescheduling and forfeiture and all that stuff we had to
Speaker 1: deal with last year. That's incredible, and I to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I wasn't sure that was going to
Speaker 1: be the case when we got here, so that was
Speaker 1: really encouraging. General impression, Nick my favorite part of the
Speaker 1: press conference was actually right before it, I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: we're all friends to media guys here. Clarence Hill is
Speaker 1: one of the favorites for all of us, and he
Speaker 1: has been recently lost his mother. And for Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: to come up to him like that and and I
Speaker 1: don't care what if he did it for the cameras
Speaker 1: on I don't care. Was the first time he saw
Speaker 1: saw him and he gave him, you know, nice condolences.
Speaker 1: I thought that was my favorite part of the prest
Speaker 1: And not only that, but you know, you talk about
Speaker 1: the cameras might have been there, but that's beside the point.
Speaker 1: Because he has has Clarence put out on social like
Speaker 1: he actually sent to his mother's channel. And so now
Speaker 1: you got you gotta know this, when it comes to
Speaker 1: turning around and and and giving shots to the media,
Speaker 1: Clarence is always one that gets it from you know.
Speaker 1: That's because he can take it. Dale Hanson was one
Speaker 1: like that and now he passed around them like Doocey
Speaker 1: and all that. That's that's a that's a you know,
Speaker 1: that's a sign of respect. Really what it was. So
Speaker 1: that was my favorite part of the press commerce. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, just like like they said, the vaccination numbers
Speaker 1: where it were interesting and you know, even though it
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the current state of the team, Uh,
Speaker 1: it was it was very eye opening to hear his
Speaker 1: remarks about Jimmy Johnson's you know, I had not heard
Speaker 1: that part. I had not heard him actually say that,
Speaker 1: you know, um, and you know, it'll be interesting couple
Speaker 1: of weeks with Jimmy going in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: and we've heard some talks about how how their relationship is.
Speaker 1: Is it, Is it good? Is it bad? It's kind
Speaker 1: of you know, it's taking more twists and turns than
Speaker 1: six flags. So but I hopefully it's it's better. And
Speaker 1: I thought what Jerry said yesterday was was something that
Speaker 1: was you know, it was interesting for sure, which and
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to make it too more,
Speaker 1: but I have I do that sometimes. But and but
Speaker 1: Jerry said this himself, so I'm not putting words in
Speaker 1: his mouth, but that was shocking, right like, and like
Speaker 1: you know, people were saying, like I've been waiting decades
Speaker 1: to hear him say that, you know, like it's it's
Speaker 1: my fault. And I'll never understand why I did that
Speaker 1: and messed up with you know, everything with Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 1: And then at the very end of the press conference
Speaker 1: he said, um, he said, you know, I was sitting
Speaker 1: in there this time last year wondering if I'd ever
Speaker 1: have a chance to do this again, if I you know,
Speaker 1: will I ever be in public talking to the media
Speaker 1: the way that I'd love to do and I've been
Speaker 1: doing for thirty years, that ever gonna happen again? Would
Speaker 1: you know, get to Jerry Jones's age, That's probably at
Speaker 1: the forefront of your mind a lot. And so you know,
Speaker 1: I wonder this is gonna be It's gonna be interesting
Speaker 1: times because maybe Jerry Jones has a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: on his mind that he wasn't sure that he'd ever
Speaker 1: have a chance to say, and you know, you get
Speaker 1: the chance to do it, and you're like, well, no time,
Speaker 1: Like the president, I guess, let's be honest. I think
Speaker 1: that this pandemic has probably changed all of our perspectives
Speaker 1: on life and the things that you took for granted
Speaker 1: maybe and some of those things that now that you
Speaker 1: have back, you feel like you really want to cherish
Speaker 1: them and appreciate them. So I think Jerry's probably no
Speaker 1: different in that way. Sure, let me throw one more
Speaker 1: thing about it, Jimmy Jerry. I think, you know, it
Speaker 1: shows growth for both of them, because Jimmy said a
Speaker 1: lot of things to it. I think from what it
Speaker 1: sounds like he's gonna say, it's a lot more and
Speaker 1: during his speech, you know, I think that they they're
Speaker 1: trying to bury the hatcher or whatever. But you know, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: I think there was some fault there too. It was
Speaker 1: before I covered the team, but it wasn't it was
Speaker 1: both of them. I mean, he goes for both, and
Speaker 1: that's that's what happens in a lot of situations like this.
Speaker 1: I think they both have understood that, you know, they
Speaker 1: could have done something great. But Jimmy said several times,
Speaker 1: look at this track record, didn't stay in a place
Speaker 1: more than five or six years. I mean that's kind
Speaker 1: of the way as he was looking to kind of
Speaker 1: move on to. But they I think that they've learned
Speaker 1: a lot from each other. But a lot of what
Speaker 1: you read on the comments from the fans, it's like okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll fine, you admit that. What about the next twenty
Speaker 1: five years? You know, like, like what about lately here,
Speaker 1: what men? Why can't we haven't we figure that Outum,
Speaker 1: that's that's something Jerry said yesterday. He'd give anything to
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, we're gonna get to that a little
Speaker 1: bit later. They did say something I was very interesting.
Speaker 1: I thought about some of the reasons as to why
Speaker 1: they think they can be optimistic about this year, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about that a little later in the
Speaker 1: show before we go directly into the vaccinations. We're at
Speaker 1: a point we could probably take our first breaks. Let's
Speaker 1: take our first break. When we come back from that,
Speaker 1: I want to dive a little deeper into the conversation
Speaker 1: regarding the vaccinations. I want to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about how much that helps the team if they can
Speaker 1: get more of these guys vaccinated. Jerry gave us some
Speaker 1: numbers that actually make us feel like there's a good
Speaker 1: chance they're going to reach the threshold. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about that when we come right back. This is
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Speaker 1: or Life, Oxnard, California. It's a day one of training
Speaker 1: camp here in Oxnard. Let's talk about the opening press conference,
Speaker 1: particularly the vaccination issue. Yesterday, Jerry said something that jumped
Speaker 1: out to me. Said, you know, there's only a handful
Speaker 1: of guys, and he mentioned he said, when I say
Speaker 1: a handful, there's five fingers the hand, not telling us
Speaker 1: that that's five, but giving us a strong indication that
Speaker 1: that's similar to the number I would guess of players
Speaker 1: that at this point are not committed to being vaccinated.
Speaker 1: What he means by that are guys that don't already
Speaker 1: have at least the first shot or waiting period for
Speaker 1: their second shot, or maybe David committed to it, haven't
Speaker 1: gotten the shot, but they're committed to doing it right
Speaker 1: right that all being said, and I'll go further than that.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones also said that he thinks not only will
Speaker 1: they hit the threshold, he thinks still exceeded. That's the
Speaker 1: eighty five percent that that's been talked about. He said,
Speaker 1: that has not been approved yet completely by the NFL,
Speaker 1: but that's at least being talked about. That all being said,
Speaker 1: talk to me about what this means for the team
Speaker 1: then being able to get over that threshold with the
Speaker 1: NFL and if there are any limitations of the for
Speaker 1: the time that they haven't hit the threshold here in
Speaker 1: camp before they get to that point. Well, that's that's
Speaker 1: a really good question about the limitation like here in camp,
Speaker 1: because I don't think it should be a big deal
Speaker 1: because you're not traveling until you go to the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame game, You're not interacting with anybody other than
Speaker 1: guys that are here. They have a testing center on site,
Speaker 1: so I think they should be fine as long as
Speaker 1: they're here in this bubble it And I guess complications
Speaker 1: are whatever comes into play when you start traveling to
Speaker 1: Ohio and get deeper into the preseason and when the
Speaker 1: season comes up. But that's the interesting thing, and that's
Speaker 1: what Stephen Jones said, is to your point, like you know,
Speaker 1: you got your waiting period between shots, you got your
Speaker 1: waiting period after your shots where you're waiting for it
Speaker 1: to take full effect. But Stephen Jones said, like, taking
Speaker 1: all that into account, he thinks they'll be at or
Speaker 1: above that threshold in due time, which is, like I said,
Speaker 1: that's really impressive and undoubtedly gives them an advantage, Like
Speaker 1: it's a big deal because of the way the NFL
Speaker 1: is sort of what's the word I'm looking for, the
Speaker 1: way the way the NFL is handling this, Like being
Speaker 1: at that threshold means a lot just in terms of
Speaker 1: your ability to be available. Yeah, I mean my understanding
Speaker 1: is that the difference between the guys that are that
Speaker 1: are vaccinated and not, it's just it's just more on them,
Speaker 1: the nuisance of what they have to do, test more, wear,
Speaker 1: mask more. It cannot be in the same meeting room,
Speaker 1: or at least in the same spot in the meeting room.
Speaker 1: They couldn't be like this. They'd have to be over here,
Speaker 1: you know. So, and I think those players were warned
Speaker 1: that beforehand and said this is how it's going to be.
Speaker 1: Are you sure this is where your stances on this,
Speaker 1: because this is what's going to happen in a training camp,
Speaker 1: and this is how things are going to be. And
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I'm sure more vaccinations were done based
Speaker 1: off of that. Now there's some that are still for
Speaker 1: whatever the reasons not you know, not doing it, which
Speaker 1: and you're right, and like you know, the conversation changes
Speaker 1: when you get closer to the season, and I believe
Speaker 1: like if you're not working on it and by now,
Speaker 1: then you're subject to those protocols until we get back
Speaker 1: from training camp, right, yeah, so you could go get
Speaker 1: the shot tomorrow and at this point it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: now I camp not for camp. Yeah, But what's interesting
Speaker 1: and I look this up like I was writing a
Speaker 1: story about it yesterday. When we get closer to the season,
Speaker 1: it matters for more than the players personal convenience too,
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm reading off of the memo right here.
Speaker 1: Fully vaccinated individuals exposed to a COVID positive person will
Speaker 1: not be labeled to a high risk contact and will
Speaker 1: not have to self isolate. So being vaccinated matters in
Speaker 1: the sense of remember last year where on Tuesday it
Speaker 1: was so and so yeah was in contact with somebody
Speaker 1: and will be out for the game on Sunday, Like
Speaker 1: if you're vaccinated, that doesn't happen. Which and That's what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about when I say it's important to competitive advantage.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate that this issue has become politicized, But regardless
Speaker 1: of your political feeling on it, guys being vaccinated means
Speaker 1: guys have a much less like a much lower chance
Speaker 1: of missing game time, which at the end of the
Speaker 1: day is what people care about. Essentially, unless you test positive,
Speaker 1: you won't have to miss a game, right, Yes, and
Speaker 1: so that and that's what I'm keeping an eye on.
Speaker 1: So again, the fact that if it's really only five
Speaker 1: out of nine that haven't done anything on the first
Speaker 1: day of training camp, that is amazing news for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys when first of all, you cut the roster from
Speaker 1: ninety to fifty three anyway, Yeah, and then on top
Speaker 1: of that, you got you know, we still got what
Speaker 1: eight weeks until they actually are practicing for a game,
Speaker 1: six weeks whatever it is. So if they're there here,
Speaker 1: like if they're at this point in July, that's great
Speaker 1: news for September. Yeah. One of the interesting things. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw it, I assume you did.
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin had some comments last week I think it was,
Speaker 1: or maybe even earlier this week, where he was talking
Speaker 1: about his idea of or his impression of players that
Speaker 1: decide not to get vaccinated. His argument was he doesn't
Speaker 1: think they're completely committed to winning. And Jerry was asked
Speaker 1: about this yesterday, and Jerry's retort really was around the
Speaker 1: idea that, yeah, he says he thought he was spite
Speaker 1: on spot on, He thought it was influential, But he
Speaker 1: also believes that the point of what Michael was saying
Speaker 1: is that players expect one another to do things that
Speaker 1: are above and beyond for the purposes of the team.
Speaker 1: And this is one of those things that gets beyond
Speaker 1: whatever your selfish desire might be. And I don't want
Speaker 1: to say it in the wrong way when I say selfish,
Speaker 1: I'm not meaning that a negative terms. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: whatever your desire is as a person, as an individual
Speaker 1: has to be in a lot of instances for the
Speaker 1: purposes of football in the NFL, and how teammates look
Speaker 1: at one another has to sometimes we put to the
Speaker 1: side and you have to do what's good for the team.
Speaker 1: And as you were saying, this has some benefits for
Speaker 1: the team if more people are vaccinated. My question for
Speaker 1: you guys is do you agree with michael stance on this?
Speaker 1: I do absolutely, which, again, like you know. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: if it offends people that are listening, Like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see this as a political issue. I just
Speaker 1: think it's smart and easy and the American healthcare system
Speaker 1: has put like crazy resources into making this thing available,
Speaker 1: and like buy and large, there's going to be risk
Speaker 1: for all of this stuff. There always has been, by
Speaker 1: the way, for like every vaccine. But it's minuscule and
Speaker 1: it does wonders to I've had it since March and
Speaker 1: I've been out living my life a lot more than
Speaker 1: I have been the last year. No complaints so far. Um,
Speaker 1: you have a little extra growth over there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have an extra I have an extra appendage. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see it as a debate. And
Speaker 1: that's I mean, if you do, I hope, Okay, I
Speaker 1: got nothing for you. I don't know, but it's a
Speaker 1: minor thing that you can do to make your life
Speaker 1: easier and the team's life better and you know, give
Speaker 1: your team a better chance. I went the fuller context
Speaker 1: of Michael's quote. I thought it was interesting too, because he's, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he said, this could be a healthy guy
Speaker 1: missing two games because of this, and in this league
Speaker 1: that could be it for you, like and if the
Speaker 1: right person misses two weeks, that's it. Your ass is
Speaker 1: out and the Lord knows that's true, and that would
Speaker 1: be that would suck for the Cowboys or for anybody
Speaker 1: else if you know you had an easy path to
Speaker 1: making this all easier and didn't do it. So Nick,
Speaker 1: I mean, I love Michael Irving. I mean he's passionate
Speaker 1: about it, but I mean, I don't know. It's hard
Speaker 1: to speak for everybody in this situation. I understand that
Speaker 1: part right there. I do get it, but you gotta remember,
Speaker 1: like everybody here knows three to four or five maybe
Speaker 1: more people that haven't taken it. We all have a few.
Speaker 1: When you think about that, what are the reasons why
Speaker 1: they're not taking it? They're they're all over the map.
Speaker 1: There's different reasons. So it is hard to say, well, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, why aren't you doing this? You should be
Speaker 1: doing it all for the betterment of the team. In
Speaker 1: some cases, you could say, well, I'm willing to do
Speaker 1: all of these things. I have to test every day,
Speaker 1: I wear a mask, I can't sit with my team,
Speaker 1: I can't do certain things, So you're saying I'm not
Speaker 1: all in and I'm sticking to my guns on what
Speaker 1: I believe in. Maybe you could argue that I'm actually
Speaker 1: more all in than any of them because I'm doing
Speaker 1: all this despite that, because because I you know, they
Speaker 1: believe in the reason why they're not taking the vaccine
Speaker 1: or whatever, they're still willing to do all of the
Speaker 1: other things. So but that's why this is so tricky,
Speaker 1: because that person could be doing everything right and their
Speaker 1: wife and their kids to come home from school and
Speaker 1: then they have it and next thing you know, you're
Speaker 1: out two games. Yeah, so it's just hard to say
Speaker 1: what not taking the vaccine is going, how it's going
Speaker 1: to affect the team. I think it's very general for
Speaker 1: Michael to say that, and you know, it's I agree that,
Speaker 1: you know, you should be kind of be all in.
Speaker 1: We have to do things for their work. Some people
Speaker 1: do it, some people don't, and you know, it comes
Speaker 1: down to the different reasons. So it's very hard to
Speaker 1: kind of say you're right you're wrong, because it's certainly
Speaker 1: not a black and white issue, I guess, and good
Speaker 1: reasons for not getting it do exist, and I'm willing
Speaker 1: to listen to those, but buy and liar and not
Speaker 1: to go off on a tangent, but there's just so
Speaker 1: much bad faith discourse around this thing at this point
Speaker 1: in time, it gets frustrating. Yeah, I mean it is,
Speaker 1: and not again, I don't want us to get too political,
Speaker 1: but it's gone from being a medical question in some
Speaker 1: people's minds to being more of a political question, and
Speaker 1: so anytime that happens, then you're going to have just
Speaker 1: splits because people ideologically and from a political standpoint are
Speaker 1: split right and probably more now in our country than
Speaker 1: ever before. So that's a problem with all of this
Speaker 1: is that it has become a political issue instead of
Speaker 1: rather just a medical issue, where we may have had
Speaker 1: a lot less division on this if it was just
Speaker 1: a medical question. And like you said, Nick, there's some
Speaker 1: people that have some very legitimate medical concerns that preclude
Speaker 1: them from wanting to be vaccinated. And some of those
Speaker 1: I've heard from people, and I say, oh, yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of get that. I kind of understand that. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: move on, though, I do want to talk about we
Speaker 1: had mentioned a little earlier, Nikki. I think Dave might
Speaker 1: have thrown something out there talking about the championship level
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Getting back to that championship level of the nineties,
Speaker 1: and Jarry was asking about that yesterday, and it actually
Speaker 1: it spun off into a thought that that Nick, I
Speaker 1: think you were making or Dave you were making next. Okay,
Speaker 1: So basically what happened was Jarry's asked about and you
Speaker 1: get back to the nineties days, and the first thing
Speaker 1: you mentioned was, well, first thing, can you give me
Speaker 1: another Charles Haley? And then he went on and he said, okay,
Speaker 1: and you know that Dion Sanders, I'll take another one
Speaker 1: to him too. And by the way, absolutely great players,
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame players, some of the best to do
Speaker 1: it at their positions. For what they did, I think
Speaker 1: you'd be I think it's a fair statement to say
Speaker 1: Charles Haley is one of the best pass rushers in
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL. And I think it's fair
Speaker 1: to say Deon Sanders may be the very best cornerback
Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL. Coach prime, careful, coach
Speaker 1: prime here. I can't call him Deon anymore in particular
Speaker 1: about that. That's what I've heard. Well, he can come
Speaker 1: and talk to me about that if he has a
Speaker 1: problem with it. But anyway, those two things I get
Speaker 1: all that. But my question for you is do you
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys have done all that they can do
Speaker 1: in order to get that caliber of player, because those
Speaker 1: are both free agent signings. Have they done all they can? Know?
Speaker 1: They haven't at all. CJ good one, I think was
Speaker 1: their best free agent signing this year. No offense to him, crazy,
Speaker 1: he takes a good specialties player exactly he is. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm very special he is. But to like try to
Speaker 1: even jokingly, but like it's a great you know, but
Speaker 1: the huge step and that was a great signing. It
Speaker 1: was that was good. That was their best one. That
Speaker 1: that's what they do. They have taken a different approach
Speaker 1: to this. They they were they were going to get
Speaker 1: those guys, uh, you know, Don and Charles Haley. And
Speaker 1: now last year they signed a bunch of names. That's
Speaker 1: all they were were names former first rounders, Don Tari
Speaker 1: Poe ha ha. I mean, you know we knew who
Speaker 1: was laughing at the end of all that. And that's
Speaker 1: that's the fans that don't like the Cowboys and Mills
Speaker 1: are from really bad. But they're not making splashes. They
Speaker 1: don't do that in free agency. They haven't gone to
Speaker 1: do that. They haven't gone all in to do that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So there's no way you're going to
Speaker 1: get a d on Charles Haley those type of guys
Speaker 1: in free agency, because that's not their approach. That is,
Speaker 1: it's ironic with and I'm young, I'm sorry, Like they
Speaker 1: Charles Haley was a trade, right, so they took a
Speaker 1: big swing to get Charles. And then how many times
Speaker 1: have we heard the story Stephen Jones was so incensed
Speaker 1: at what Jerry wanted to pay Dion to get him
Speaker 1: here that they like thought he pushed him up against that,
Speaker 1: like that's it's like, are you crazy? It turned out?
Speaker 1: It turned out, it turned out great. But I'm what,
Speaker 1: when have the Cowboys done something like that. I've been here.
Speaker 1: This is year nine, by the way, I still think
Speaker 1: of myself as the new guy, and it's just not
Speaker 1: true anymore, and they haven't done anything like that in
Speaker 1: the whole time I've been here. But in all fairness,
Speaker 1: I think they would probably say we took shots they
Speaker 1: didn't work out there, took shots at Galliwae, they took
Speaker 1: shots at Roy Williams, who they thought were great players.
Speaker 1: It didn't work out. Those things happened like twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: I get that I'm saying, but the ones that Greg
Speaker 1: Hardy was close. But listen to point. My point is
Speaker 1: that doing those things back back to back in the
Speaker 1: early two thousands, late nineties, maybe that made them say,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can keep doing this right,
Speaker 1: we can't. Maybe it's not the same day as us
Speaker 1: being able to get it Charles Haley, us being able
Speaker 1: to get a Dion Sanders. We just like, that's not
Speaker 1: working for us. We got to do something a little
Speaker 1: steadier than doing that and then screwing ourselves for years
Speaker 1: after that because it doesn't work out right but right.
Speaker 1: But I mean, that's what I'm saying though, that you
Speaker 1: can't You can't say every morning that I hope I
Speaker 1: win the lottery and you don't ever play. That's what happens.
Speaker 1: People say, God, if I win the lottery one day,
Speaker 1: it's like, have you ever bought a scratch off ticket?
Speaker 1: Like no, not really, so you're not gonna win. They
Speaker 1: don't knock on your door. It's not publisher's clearinghouse. And
Speaker 1: that doesn't work that still, I don't know even if
Speaker 1: it does, I think you had to sign up for
Speaker 1: something to get the guy coming in here and the
Speaker 1: bottom I was sorry, go ahead, photo, that's gotta be
Speaker 1: ready for the right the crushers coming by. Bone crusher. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't even where we were talking about, just oh oh,
Speaker 1: the drafts. I mean, that's just not the approach. The
Speaker 1: approach isn't to go and get that guy and so
Speaker 1: they can luck into it and they're always looking for bargains.
Speaker 1: I think one of the best free agent signings that
Speaker 1: they've had since I was here. I've been here twenty
Speaker 1: something years, Leroy Glover. Even Leroy Glover was a two
Speaker 1: week into free agency, his number went down, they went
Speaker 1: and they got him, you know, trying to be a
Speaker 1: phenomenal player. I mean Brandon car so much Saints fan Dave, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would imagine, you know, they went out and made
Speaker 1: a splash for Brandon car That's what that's one of
Speaker 1: the that's one of the few that they've gone, you know,
Speaker 1: right off the start of free agency. And Brandon Carr
Speaker 1: was a good player. He was a good player. People
Speaker 1: remember for Odell making a ridiculous catch around him, by
Speaker 1: the fact that he didn't get interceptions or whatever. He
Speaker 1: was a good player. He's an outstanding person in the
Speaker 1: community and all that. No one cares about that, but
Speaker 1: they they cared about him making plays and all that,
Speaker 1: and he was just he was Okay, it really wasn't
Speaker 1: worth the ten million a year. They tried, they put
Speaker 1: it out there. But again, those are those a kind
Speaker 1: of things that maybe make them say, we have tried,
Speaker 1: it just didn't we didn't get the result. That's that's fine,
Speaker 1: and and you know what, and it comes with the dinner.
Speaker 1: We love to say that, like Jerry Jones has a
Speaker 1: lot of great things going for him. He's he runs
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. He's got a boatload of money, he's
Speaker 1: got an actual boats. I mean, he gets to be
Speaker 1: like he you know, he's the most powerful owner in
Speaker 1: the NFL. But the one bad thing of all of
Speaker 1: that is until he gets back to the mountaintop that
Speaker 1: it's just you're gonna get anytime you say anything like that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get dogged because generations, like how many generations
Speaker 1: of Cowboy fans now are just rolling their eyes at
Speaker 1: this point saying like, yeah, we hear this every July
Speaker 1: and that's just that's just the story. That's just what
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. Until you do it. Hey, it wouldn't matter.
Speaker 1: They could have gone out, they could have gotten Earl Thomas,
Speaker 1: and if they still had the same results, people be like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're stupid. You should have known Earl Thomas was washed up.
Speaker 1: So it's just you're it's not damned if you do
Speaker 1: and damned if you don't. Well it is, you're but
Speaker 1: you're just damned until you do it. It's the result doesn't.
Speaker 1: But that's okay though, I mean, like you wouldn't really
Speaker 1: want to be the way you could roll your eyes
Speaker 1: and say, I've heard this before, but I mean think
Speaker 1: about it, like like even for us working stuff like that,
Speaker 1: everybody's even if they know you guys know how I
Speaker 1: am or how you are. You know, like I'll get
Speaker 1: mad about the stupidest stuff, right, the little things that
Speaker 1: have it'll it'll annoy me the day that stops annoying me,
Speaker 1: and get me out of here. Get me out of here.
Speaker 1: If I stop caring, then then it's over. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing. If Jared didn't keep that thing that's saying,
Speaker 1: if if he comes to train camp one year and said,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't know, I don't know William,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's gonna be kind of tough this year.
Speaker 1: Then you know, maybe it's like, all right, this this
Speaker 1: isn't time, which is ironic because one of the best seasons,
Speaker 1: one of the years memories. I knew you were gonna
Speaker 1: say that. Jerry was like, we got an uphill battle,
Speaker 1: that's probably not gonna be a very good team. And
Speaker 1: then thirteen and three, No. Twelve and four, twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: Romo could have been MVP and just a great year
Speaker 1: all around. So maybe he should try to help man,
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's he did say is the most
Speaker 1: challenges they've ever faced before entering a season. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he said, yeah, yeah, no, that was protocol
Speaker 1: stuff or whatever. Probably a little bit of everything, yeah,
Speaker 1: find everything, But I would I would suspect that's you know,
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to think that anything was worse
Speaker 1: than or harder than last year. Like last year probably
Speaker 1: was the hardest that any of us, including the team,
Speaker 1: including the coaches, have ever experienced. It for me of
Speaker 1: doing your job here in the inn, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: just it reminded, you know, we live in Dallas. I
Speaker 1: know not everybody listening does, but you know, the Mavericks
Speaker 1: are kind of in a similar situation where they have
Speaker 1: a very hands on owner and everybody's stressed out about
Speaker 1: how Mark Cuban's gonna handle putting a good team around Luca,
Speaker 1: And it's Mark cuban Or problem. Does he talk too
Speaker 1: much and for like drive people away? Like It's very
Speaker 1: similar for Jerry Jones. And I've always said, give me
Speaker 1: the guy who cares too much over the guy who's
Speaker 1: just using this as a way to make money and
Speaker 1: have a tax right off, Like, give me, give me
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones every single time in terms of like, I
Speaker 1: want the owner that wants to win as much as
Speaker 1: I do. But at the same time, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: criticized until you get the results. It's just it just
Speaker 1: is what it is. Parted And at this point, is
Speaker 1: it twenty six years now, I don't even know it's
Speaker 1: twenty five, twenty six, Yeah, something like that. With the
Speaker 1: best intentions doesn't matter. Whatever you say is just gonna
Speaker 1: get an eye roll at this point, You're just the
Speaker 1: fans are just gonna roll their eyes until you proved
Speaker 1: that they shouldn't. It is what it is. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take a final break when we come back from that break,
Speaker 1: we're gonna jump a little bit farther into this nineties conversation.
Speaker 1: He said there were there were some things that he's
Speaker 1: pointed out. No, no, no no, not talk football. No, we
Speaker 1: al gon'n talk abouba were gonna talk about from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of reasons why they are optimistic that this year
Speaker 1: it could be a year that they could get back
Speaker 1: to some level of of of success in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: might have a little bit of a little bit of
Speaker 1: news there. Nick, you're hearing some things well, I mean
Speaker 1: this is the time where they first press commers. They're
Speaker 1: gonna announce some injury. You know, a designation's pup physically
Speaker 1: unable to perform. It's an active pup list, which means
Speaker 1: it's not the list that they'll be out for six
Speaker 1: games or something like that. They can always like count
Speaker 1: to the ninety man roster. They're not going to be
Speaker 1: able to practice until they're healthy. Then they get off
Speaker 1: the pups. So there's gonna be some names like that,
Speaker 1: guys that are coming off some injuries, some surgeries. I
Speaker 1: think Amari Cooper will be in there. D law Um
Speaker 1: didn't really hear a lot in the summer about Greg Zirline,
Speaker 1: but I think Greg Zerline is dealing with a back injury.
Speaker 1: It's going to keep him on there. Which you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot there's backups at receiver, in defensive line.
Speaker 1: There's not a backup. Kick gonna say that's yeah, that's
Speaker 1: so yeah, looking for a hunter. Nice wonder to be
Speaker 1: doing some of that. Um, he can do everything, kickoff,
Speaker 1: punt and all that. Um, we'll see if he's a
Speaker 1: jack of all trades, master of none, or he can
Speaker 1: be a jack of all trades everything. So that's wonderful
Speaker 1: to battle with with anger for the pun and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he has to kick off and who's
Speaker 1: holding anger? I don't you know, Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be interesting to how that how
Speaker 1: that plays in. And I guess we'll see on the
Speaker 1: severity of it, because I mean, people get worked up
Speaker 1: about pup and training camp, but like and and sometimes
Speaker 1: it is serious. But sometimes you're on it for like
Speaker 1: four days, Like they just don't want you out there
Speaker 1: until you're ready. Sometimes it's because you're out Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: you have the yesterday they had. They're they're testing where
Speaker 1: they kind of figure out where everybody is physically, and
Speaker 1: so you might come out of that and there may
Speaker 1: be some things they're like, get him some work with
Speaker 1: the trainers, just just kind of getting him in shape,
Speaker 1: and then we'll put him out on the field. But
Speaker 1: if it is serious with zirline, again, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't care. If Amari Cooper's practicing, he's fine,
Speaker 1: he'll be good to go. And there's eight other receivers,
Speaker 1: but Zeroline, you only have one kicker, and they also
Speaker 1: have a roster spot right now. They waved a receiver
Speaker 1: when we got here, or like the day we left,
Speaker 1: and so I wonder if they would bring a guy
Speaker 1: in to help with that, because that's awesome that Hunter
Speaker 1: can do everything, but probably don't want him to, yeah,
Speaker 1: or maybe want to see what somebody else can do.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's interesting, zirline. He's been in the
Speaker 1: league for a while. If he's a too, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's an older guy. I guess he's thirty three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that just you know. I've said this before on this show,
Speaker 1: and it was typically we were talking about offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: But I get really nervous when when players start having
Speaker 1: back issues because it's that's not something that necessarily, necessarily,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, gets better over time. Even if you
Speaker 1: get you know, whatever you're going to get done to it,
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily get better over time. And so that's
Speaker 1: something worth keeping an eye on. If he's starting the
Speaker 1: starting on pup and and uh, you know, just seeing
Speaker 1: where that all develop, seeing what there they think the
Speaker 1: prognos is, and I think we also should follow the
Speaker 1: t leaves they start bringing in guys. Oh yeah, then
Speaker 1: you really start wondering kind of what's the long term
Speaker 1: just the Uh this is important to note too. And
Speaker 1: I don't know how many practices are going to be unpadded,
Speaker 1: because that's it's a normal total of thirteen practices and
Speaker 1: the first padded practices next Wednesday, the twenty eight. So
Speaker 1: they have a practice today, Saturday, Sunday, Tuesday, So they're
Speaker 1: four practices that are unpadded. Back in the Garrett tenure,
Speaker 1: it was normal to do two unpadded just to kind
Speaker 1: of get everybody acclimated. It's gonna be more than that.
Speaker 1: And so that's not a league because I know, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's not. I just I designated it by Garrick
Speaker 1: upcake care. Now it's a league rules, right. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: the point is we're gonna have a much longer wait,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a much longer way than we're used
Speaker 1: to for the real deal. And so I'm even less
Speaker 1: worried than I normally would be about this and one
Speaker 1: of these injuries I bet is actually significant just playing
Speaker 1: the numbers, but I'm not gonna sweat about it until
Speaker 1: we have a chance to see some practices and see
Speaker 1: what's going on. Okay, we will also u and I
Speaker 1: think that the conversation we were going to get into
Speaker 1: is going to be a little bit deeper than the
Speaker 1: four men said. We have little stuff, so we'll say that,
Speaker 1: but I do want to give everybody an idea of
Speaker 1: what they can expect during the time that we're your
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Speaker 1: a new show we'll be rolling out for you guys
Speaker 1: at three pm. It'll be a show about practice. It'll
Speaker 1: only happen on days that there is practice, and it
Speaker 1: will be a recap of what the sights and sounds
Speaker 1: were at practice, the guys that played well, any highlight moments,
Speaker 1: anythings that may have gone wrong for the team during
Speaker 1: those practices. But that's kind of the layout of the
Speaker 1: type of content we're gonna be putting out for you
Speaker 1: guys from a podcast standpoint here every day on Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com and all of our channels. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna wrap this thing up. We will be back with
Speaker 1: you again our crew on Saturday. We will talk a
Speaker 1: lot about some more things that we have from that
Speaker 1: opening press conference that we didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: get to today until then. For Gateman and Dave Helmet,
Speaker 1: I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been the Break live on
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production
Speaker 1: of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.