1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: The volume. What's going on everybody? How are we doing? 2 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Hopefully you're having a great weekend. I'm John this three 3 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: and our podcast, and what we try to do from 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: time to time is do a little best of and 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: this week we had a lot going on. We have 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: the NFL back in full swing. I repeat full swing. 7 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: People are practicing, people are getting injured. We've got a 8 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on. So I thought we would 9 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: hit on just five big storylines heading into the season. 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones he losing his mind because Jerry had some 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: comments this week where he just went, come on, Jerry, 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: It's just does this need to be said? When it 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: came to Micah Parsons and just contract negotiations, and then 14 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, it's safe to say that he is taking 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: over the Bears and he's gonna do it his way, 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: which is obviously a little bit different than Caleb Williams 17 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: is used to. So we discussed Ben Johnson having high 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: standards for that operation's dive into the pot. But before 19 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: we touch on Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, you know, 20 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you o my friends, my partners in 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: the official ticketing app on this podcast, Game Time best 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: in the business does not get any better. I love 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: my friends at game time because I had Fomo this week. 24 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: I had everyone I knew in Arizona was at the 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: Morgan wall In concert. He played back to back nights 26 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: in Glendale. I guess they got to work on the 27 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: ingress egress getting out of there, absolute disaster. I've been 28 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: there one time for a concert. Sucks. 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No problem. 38 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: Any event you want to go to, you can search 39 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: by the team, you can search by the arena, you 40 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: can search by the stadium. It does not get any easier. 41 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: So here's the thing, fellas. Take the guests. We've got 42 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: to buying tickets. With game time down, the game Time App. 43 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: Create an account and use the code John for twenty 44 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: dollars off your first purchase terms of play again, create 45 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: an account and redeem the code John for twenty dollars off. 46 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: Download the game Time app today, Last minute tickets, lowest 47 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: price guarantee. Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. I think we 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: have to acknowledge something that there are a lot of 49 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: parallels with Jerry and the Cowboys, going into as he's 50 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: been in his eighties to the final stretch of Al 51 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: Davis and the Raiders. It becomes a little chaotic because 52 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: of the owner. And obviously there are financial differences the 53 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: Cowboys if they became up for sale. We just saw 54 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 1: the Lakers be valued at ten billion dollars. I think 55 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: it's fair to say that the Cowboys would go for 56 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: double that. And their financial revenue ability is second to none, 57 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: and their brand is worldwide. They're definitely the biggest, which 58 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: is crazy because they haven't won a Super bowling along 59 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: since the mid nineties. They are a cash cow and 60 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: Jerry's a huge part of that. And let me say this, 61 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: I admire Jerry the businessman because I think people that 62 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: I've always looked up to in any walk of life, especially, 63 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to business or sports or 64 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: just professional endeavors, typically have some kahonas have a little 65 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: shit to them and have had points and time in 66 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: their life when they've had to make a big decision 67 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: and they've put their nuts on the table. And Jerry 68 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: obviously did that in the late eighties. His stories well 69 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: documented of self made guy who bought the Cowboys when 70 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: he didn't even really have the money. So I respect that. 71 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: But I'm also old enough to bet around the block 72 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: a few times and know a few people that work 73 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: in family businesses, clearly not as big as the Cowboys, 74 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: but successful operations. And anytime the quote unquote patriarch, the 75 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: old man, whether it's the dad, the grandpa, makes a 76 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: lot of money and doesn't need anybody anymore, yet is 77 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 1: still involved in the operation. The older he gets, sometimes 78 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: the more difficult he becomes. He's not going to listen 79 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: to anybody. And I think when you look at the 80 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: current climate of sports, there's a consistent theme when it 81 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: comes to these negotiations. One the money being given out 82 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: in the team sports in America, baseball, basketball, and obviously 83 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: football has never been greater. Pro sports and pro athletes 84 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: in my life have always made a lot of money. 85 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: The amount they are making now is I try not 86 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: to become numb to talking about it because of how 87 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: big the sums are. But the more and more you 88 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: see these numbers get thrown around just kind of becomes normal. 89 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: Even though when you are paying people hundreds of millions 90 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: of dollars, it's the equivalent of some of these people 91 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: that sell their tech companies. I mean, it's crazy how 92 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: much these guys are accumulating right now in professional sports. 93 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: And Jerry, you know, when I grew up anyone my 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: age in the nineties, pro sports was a lot more raw. 95 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: You would have a lot of public fights between coaches 96 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: and players, GMS and players, and owners and players. Social 97 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: media didn't exist, so when you would have contract talks 98 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: or trade talks, it was just kind of no holds bar. 99 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: There was not a filter typically on either side. And 100 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: now we have kind of become a corporate version of that. 101 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: There is just too much on the line, right There 102 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: was a lot of money on the line back then, 103 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: but the numbers have exponentially grown, so most negotiations in 104 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: most sports, especially football, when you hear the GM, the 105 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: coach and the owner talk. They typically don't say anything. 106 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: They give you the kind of go to kind of 107 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: corporate jargon of we're gonna keep this in house. This 108 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: is between us and his representation. This is we do 109 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: not make our negotiations public. I'll give the Browns credit 110 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: when Jimmy has or when Miles Garrett went to the 111 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: Super Bowl and said I want to trade, I want 112 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: fucking out of here. It's like Damn Stude's going on 113 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl car wash and telling us how he feels. 114 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: I was like, if I was the Browns, I trade 115 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: hi right now for like two ones and two two's. 116 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: It's you got an excuse to get rid of them. 117 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: Your team's gonna suck anyway. You might as well utilize 118 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: this powerful asset. But Jimmy has Them said no because 119 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett and Clutch who represent and said we want 120 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: a meeting, and Jimmy Haslam said, not so fast, my friend, 121 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: no meeting. Discuss the business with Andrew Berry. And Andrew 122 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: Berry said, we're not trading you. We want to keep you. 123 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: We plan on paying you. That was kind of it. 124 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: We just saw T. J. Watt get a huge contract. 125 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't a public negotiation. Most of these Fred Warner, 126 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: George Kittle, not a public negotiation. Yeah. With Jerry Jones, 127 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: give a listen because today he gave as he does 128 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: every single year, kind of the state of the franchise, 129 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: which most gms and coaches do at the start of 130 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: training camp. This week, I'm sure there'll be one with 131 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: Less Sneed and Sean McVay. I'm sure there was one 132 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: with Jim Harbaugh and Joe Ortiz, just like in the 133 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: next couple of days, Howie Roseman and Nick Sirianni, Kyle 134 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: Shanahan and John Lynch. Very normal, that's normal business. You 135 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: know who you don't see at any of these places 136 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: is the owner standing right there. Let's take a listen 137 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: to Jerry today. 138 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to 139 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously, 140 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest 141 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: paid it's the position in the league, and he got 142 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: knocked out two thirds of the year Dark Prescott. So 143 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: there's a lot of things you can think about when 144 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: you just as the player does, when you're thinking about 145 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: committing and guaranteeing money. 146 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: I think one thing we all learn for any of you. 147 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: Obviously if you're married in a serious relationship. Something you 148 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: learn as you get a little older as a guy 149 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: is like you don't need to say everything that comes 150 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: into your head, right, And I think this works for 151 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: your personal relationships, your professional relationships. Hell, I've really taken 152 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: this tactic on social media. I'm like, I got a 153 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: lot of thoughts. I used to share way too many 154 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: of them, just because like, what's the point. Just keep 155 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: some stuff to yourself, right, And it's no different in 156 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: negotiations with the Rooneyes and TJ. Watt, Like, sometimes it's 157 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: gonna get ugly behind the scenes. You know what, No 158 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: no one gets to know about that. It's not all 159 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: you know, rainbows, unicorns and party. Right. Sometimes I'm sure 160 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: there are things said that like, god damn, this is 161 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: called negotiation. They don't do it in public because, you 162 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: know why, there's nothing to be gained. And in the 163 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: eighties and the nineties, when Jerry became a household name, 164 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: that's how you did business, and it was suitable. It 165 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: was actually very normal. It was not you weren't going 166 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: against the grain if you told the media, which obviously 167 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: got back to the player, how you felt and how 168 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: things were going. That doesn't take place anymore. One these negotiations. 169 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 1: There's so much money on the line, who does it 170 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: behoove to create a more chaotic situation. Two, with social media, 171 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: everything gets magnified to the one hundredth degree. Now it 172 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: just makes it a more chaotic situation for your player. Listen, 173 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: as you get older, you can handle things said to 174 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,599 Speaker 1: you that you couldn't before. But in pro sports, especially football, 175 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: when you are giving a player, as the Cowboys are 176 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: going to do with Micah Parsons, because the moment you 177 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: don't trade them before the draft, you are going to 178 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: pay him. And Jerry did this with Ceedee Lamb, He's 179 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: going to do it again with Michah Parsons. You're gonna 180 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: pay him the most money in the history of the 181 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: NFL for a pass rusher. That's going to happen. It's inevitable. Now, 182 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: you can argue over a couple million here and there, 183 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: but we know the number. So Jerry putting this out there, 184 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: You're dealing with a guy just like any team would 185 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: be the first extension you give a player somewhere between 186 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: the ages of twenty four and twenty six. So unlike 187 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: if you're doing negotiations with some sixty five year old 188 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: who's been through the ringer for decades in business. He 189 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: can handle that. He's got thick skin. Just the reason 190 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys have representation because going to 191 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: Drew Rosenhaus, going to Tom Condon, going to whoever, they've 192 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: seen it all. They've heard it all. They're not a 193 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy has or excuse me, Jimmy Sexton doesn't get offended 194 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: at every time that you come back to a counter 195 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: in negotiations. You know why he's been negotiating these contracts 196 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: for decades. He's seen it all. Michael Parsons, this is 197 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: the first big contract of his life. This is more 198 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: money than he probably ever could have dreamed of a 199 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: decade ago. And he got the owner coming out and 200 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: making comments which are factual. He missed games, factual Dak 201 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: Prescott shattered his ankle. We all know that. But what 202 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: good does that do? And while it's a different situation 203 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: than Al Davis in the late two thousands, the parallels 204 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: to me feel like the owner aging not gracefully, doesn't 205 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: know how to pivot as times have pivoted. Unlike the Raiders, 206 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, don't have financial issues, but they do have 207 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: an ownership issue. They do have a guy that you 208 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: could see the look on Brian Schottenheimer's face if he 209 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: saw the video. Steven, I would imagine, is not gonna 210 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: do this whenever Jerry is no longer around, because it 211 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: makes it more difficult. You don't need to create animosity 212 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: in these negotiations. Here's the other thing Jerry has said 213 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: before this, we would rather pay a little more and 214 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: get it right. I would agree with that statement if 215 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: you're talking about free agents, because typically you've got to 216 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: pay more in free agency. You pay a you know, 217 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: a thirty forty fifty sticker price to get the guy services, 218 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: and for the most part, you're not dealing with the 219 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: elite players. That's why they hit free agency. But Jerry 220 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: says that, and most of the time he's giving out 221 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: these huge contracts to guys he's drafted. So when you 222 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: sign a guy you've drafted, no one knows that player 223 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: better than yourself. I remember, like in the scouting process, 224 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: you get to know a guy, you get to know 225 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: the coaches, you get to know the assistance. And I 226 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: saw it when I was a g and I watched 227 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: our guys get scouted and you do all this work 228 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: on obviously the player, but the character, the love of football, 229 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: their work ethic, their toughness, their mental toughness, just how 230 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: good a guy they are to just how they treat people. 231 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: All that shit, right, and you feel really good about 232 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: it and maybe pound the table in the draft room, 233 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: But until you get the guy in the building, you 234 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: don't realize how important he is to you as a player. 235 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: Right the Chiefs did. We'll get into George Carloftis and 236 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie and you know the guys they drafted who 237 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: are everything that they want in a guy. The Ravens 238 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: have been doing this forever. The Steelers are good at 239 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: this to get your type players and just tough, old 240 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: school football guys. But Jerry, you drafted these guys like 241 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: you've been around them all the time. You've seen him 242 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: as a player through the good and the bad, like, 243 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: so what are you waiting for? So I just assume 244 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: that the Cowboys are gonna pay my historic amount of 245 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: money in about four five weeks, because that's what they've 246 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: consistently done with Dak, what they did a couple of 247 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 1: years ago or last year with CD and that's what 248 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: they'll do with Michael Parsons. But you just kind of 249 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: create this weirdness in your organization that you just gave 250 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: a first time head coach a job that let's face it, 251 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: I don't just like shitting on this guy because I 252 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: feel like that's the easy thing to do. But no 253 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: one else is giving me a head coaching job. Brian 254 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: Schottenheiber was not gonna be a head coach for anyone else, 255 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: even though a decade plus ago he was a coaching candidate, 256 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: turned some jobs down, career went the other way, and 257 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: it looked like he was never gonna become my head coach. 258 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: But in twenty twenty five, Jerry Jones was the only 259 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: guy giving him a job. And let's face it, like 260 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: the players aren't idiots. He's probably one of the lowest 261 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: paid coaches in the league. So Jerry a lot like 262 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: Al Davis is. This guy doesn't have a juice. Why 263 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: don't I fucking listen to this guy? If I'm good enough, 264 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: I'll just do whatever I want. Oh, Jerry's mad at me, 265 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: but I was like, I'll just go to him. And 266 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: if you look around the league, and this is what 267 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: I said about once training camp starts, the GM and 268 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: head coach will give a press conference and for the 269 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: most part, maybe a you know gms will do like 270 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: Coward Show or come on a podcast or whatever. But 271 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: they don't talk all the time. 272 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: Right. 273 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: The coach is the voice of the organization because he's 274 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: the boss. And when the players think that, like, hey, 275 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: if I screw up, Kyle Shanahan's gonna bench me if 276 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: I don't run this route, right like Sean McVay is 277 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: gonna cut me and put me back on the practice squad. 278 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: For two plus decades, you knew Bill Belichick was in charge. 279 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: He didn't sign the checks, he didn't own the team, 280 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: but Bill was in charge. You screw up in Kansas 281 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: City like the answer to Andy, and that's the healthy 282 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: way to run an organization. Yet with the Cowboys, I 283 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: would say the Bengals on the same way, like you know, 284 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: the owners in charge. Even Shamar Stewart's agent said today 285 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: because Duke Tobin's like we need him here, said that 286 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: like he shouldn't be talking. He not running point on 287 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: this negotiation. It's above his pay grade, which is an 288 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: all timeline from an agent, But he's saying it because 289 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: that guy's not running point in the organization. He's not 290 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: in charge the owners of the GM. And when you 291 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: run organizations like that, and let's face it, we like 292 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow a lot more than we like Dak Prescott, 293 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: it's hard to win. It's why most people, despite having 294 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase T. Higgins, you just bet against 295 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: the Bengals. It's why the Cowboys, It's like, I actually 296 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: think they probably could be a little better than people think. 297 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: I think most people think they're just gonna suck. Wouldn't 298 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: shock me if they're just competitive, probably not a playoff team, 299 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: But like I could see them in the mix to 300 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: be like eight nine wins. But I also could see 301 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: them in plode right and just quit on Brian Shotneimer. 302 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: And that's just kind of what happens is your organization 303 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: becomes like this owner centric guy. This is not like 304 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: George Steinbrenner nineteen ninety six. Those days are over. Most 305 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: of these owners don't say shit. They just look at 306 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: the Excel spreadsheet and the money flowing in and they 307 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: let their GM and their head coach handle everything. Obviously 308 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: they get involved at the highest level, but they never talk. 309 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: They only talk. Win kind of forced a couple owners 310 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: meetings and that might be it, and maybe if they 311 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: fire a coach, but if things are going well, like 312 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: they're not going to speak yet, Jerry can't help himself, 313 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: like he has to be the star of the franchise. 314 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,719 Speaker 1: And it's it's kind of sad because I grew up 315 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: the Cowboys were a really big deal. They were the 316 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: biggest deal in the NFL, right there with the forty 317 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: nine ers, the rivalry, and then to the late nineties, 318 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: what happened to him? Jerry's ego got in the way, 319 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: and you could argue his ego has been in charge 320 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: ever since. And beside like the ability to get parcels 321 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: and get that stadium built, which is cool. I've been there. 322 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's crazy. It's probably almost not far 323 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: away from being like twenty years old, but awesome accomplishment. 324 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: What are his highlights the last twenty five years? Seriously, 325 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: and he really only has himself to blame. But I also, like, 326 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: I've been around not at the level of Jerry's well, 327 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: but enough successful old guys in their seventies, in their eighties. 328 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: My dad was a farmer, right, I knew a lot 329 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: of old school farmers usually doesn't age well. They talk 330 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: about how we did things back in the day. It's like, 331 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: well that's thirty years ago. You might want to pivot here, buddy, 332 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: And I just think Jerry's pivoted as poorly as anybody 333 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: when it comes to just like times have changed. Man. Okay, 334 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: you know what Scottish shuffler taught us. 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Four additional terms 366 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 3: and responsible gaming resources see dkanng dot co slash audio. 367 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: Let's do a little thing that I like to call 368 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: is their job on the line? And I just picked 369 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: five guys or or five situations. And I think, you know, 370 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: there are a lot of big storylines in the NFL, 371 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: and we will get to those as training camp goes. 372 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: But I was reading an article last night that went wow, 373 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that these two guys could potentially lose 374 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: their job at the end of the season. So it 375 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: got me thinking, why didn't I make a little list 376 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: of some guys that I don't think most people are 377 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: talking about, Like is this guy's job on the line? 378 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: And I think it make a case that it is. 379 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: So we're gonna start with number five. I'm gonna start 380 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: with the Atlanta Falcons. They have underachieved, un like any 381 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: franchise since Matt Ryan left. They've drafted all these skilled guys, 382 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: and last year everyone told me they were gonna cruise 383 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: to the division championship. I said, no chance. Now I 384 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: picked the Saints, but of course the Falcons didn't make 385 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: the playoffs. This offseason. They trade up in the mid 386 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: twenties and use a first round pick next year. Why 387 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: do you do something like that, because you realize there 388 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: is pressure from the owner, the owners in the mid 389 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: in his mid eighties, he literally just put himself in 390 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: his own team's hall of fame, Arthur Blank. I think 391 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: it's safe to say that, like he feels the clock ticking. 392 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: And I have a hard time seeing Raheem Morris, who 393 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: everyone annoyed. Hell, he annoyed himself. He said, the reason 394 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: we have such a big coaching staff because we're gonna win, 395 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: and these guys are gonna get hired, so we want 396 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: to have their replacement on the staff where Heem he 397 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: seemed like a nice guy. No one's hiring guys from 398 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: staff at eight and nine, I'll promise you that. And 399 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how anyone with a brain could pick 400 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: the Falcons this year to make the playoffs. Doesn't mean 401 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: they can't, right, I'm a Michael Penix fan, but I 402 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: think there is tangible pressure on this organization to not 403 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 1: only go above five hundred, but to win that division 404 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: and be in the playoffs, because I think if you 405 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: don't win that division, you're not in the playoffs. Like 406 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: I think that is a one playoff bid division. And 407 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: as we're sitting here right now I'm giving it to 408 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: the Bucks, but I think that these guys, that whole 409 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: thing could get blown up, which could be ugly. They 410 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: just used a high pick on Michael Pennix. They've obviously 411 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: drafted guys like Bijon and Drake London, a bunch of 412 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: guys really high, and now this last draft, they I 413 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: mean got really really aggressive. I think if they were 414 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: to underachieve like last year and what Michael Pennix doesn't work, 415 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: whatever happens, I mean, their defense hasn't been good for 416 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: a while, I think you could see that building detonated 417 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: and Arthur Blank starting all over a couple of years 418 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: after firing Arthur Smith. Number four. This one's interesting because, like, 419 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: this guy's clearly talented and an NFL quarterback, and when 420 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: you watch him and he's on, he's as dynamic as anybody, 421 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: and he can have drives, he can have halves where 422 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: you're like, he is killing these guys. I remember two 423 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: years ago when he came back from injury, Kyler had 424 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: a couple of drives against the Eagles. It was like, 425 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: as that team was falling apart, You're like, this guy 426 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: looks remarkable, and he had moments last year where you're 427 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: just like, what is going on now? It's not all 428 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: his fault. I think, you know, Marvin Harrison, listen, if 429 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: you could do a redraft. As we sit here today, 430 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's taking Marvin Harrison over Molik Neighbors. 431 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: And I think most people in the NFL, especially people 432 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,479 Speaker 1: that weren't tasked with the decision to make a lot 433 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: of people had Milik Neighbors over him. That being said, 434 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: like Marvin Harrison was still a big time prospect. They 435 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: needed a lot out of them. They have a stud 436 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: tight end. They spent a bunch of money on defense. 437 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: They drafted a couple really good defensive players high. I 438 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: think there's some tangible pressure on this team to take 439 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: a step. They have, you know, relatively new GM, a 440 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: relatively new coach who I like. I think they've done 441 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: a good job. Like I like, I look at their roster, 442 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: I go pretty good. I watch Jonathan Gaan and I 443 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: go pretty solid. His team has played their balls off 444 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: the last two years, and now they have some talent. 445 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: But like, this is the NFL, like, can you make 446 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: the playoffs? And Kyler's year starting obviously they've only made 447 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 1: the playoffs one time, and that was the year they 448 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: started like ten to one and they fell apart at 449 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: the end, and then they got worked in that playoff 450 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: game against the Rams. So I just think you get 451 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: to a point where, Okay, he's really talented, and are 452 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: we gonna ever win with this guy? And he's one 453 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: of those unique players where it's like, you go eight 454 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: to nine, maybe you still want to stick with the 455 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: coach and the gym. But what if they go, we 456 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: want someone else at quarterback, We want to bick our 457 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: own quarterback. He would be the type player that would 458 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: still have some value. So if I was a betting 459 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: man right now, and I know they're kind of like 460 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: the trendy hipster pick as people taking the Arizona Cardinals 461 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, I'm not gonna do that. And 462 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: I think they missed. And I think there's a pretty 463 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: good chance that Kyler Murray is playing somewhere else in 464 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Another guy. We have seen two recent 465 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: examples of guys drafted in the top five two teams 466 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: that view themselves as playoff teams. One team literally was 467 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. They had Super Bowl aspirations. They 468 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: take Trey Lance by the end of year two, they're like, 469 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: this guy's done bringing Sam Darnold. You guys kind of 470 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: compete for the second job. Actually you're the third string quarterback. No, 471 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: you're out of here. We traded you. He was traded 472 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: before week one of his third year. Anthony Richardson is 473 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: going into his third year. I think we all know 474 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: how this thing's gonna end. Daniel Jones going to be 475 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: starting week one. So these are two quarterback drafted third 476 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: and fourth overall. You know, the Colts not nearly as 477 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: good as the forty nine ers, but like the Niners 478 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: because their crappy division, they have playoff aspirations. This isn't 479 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: just we're drafting you high can suck, you can figure 480 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: it out, kind of like a Bryce Young situation. In hell, 481 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: he even got benched in your two. I do think 482 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy's in a unique spot. I have no clue 483 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: what he's gonna look like none. I do know this 484 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: that if I if I assume Jaden Daniel is gonna 485 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: stay really good, if I assume that Bo Nicks is 486 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: gonna just maintain and be a solid starter with Sean Payton, 487 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet on those two guys. I think it's 488 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: safe to say to buy some stock into Drake May 489 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: with Josh McDaniels Mike Rabel, like, I just think that 490 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: thing's gonna kind of work. We have a long history 491 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: of knowing, like a lot of quarterback drafts, fifty percent 492 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: of them at best hit. Some of these guys are 493 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: gonna fail. You know, Caleb's got Ben Johnson got a 494 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: really good roster. You would think he would make some 495 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: incremental improvements. Pennix, JJ McCarthy the pressure. This team won 496 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: fourteen games last year and was thirty minutes away from 497 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: being the number one overall seed. In being fifteen wins, 498 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: their starting quarterback through thirty five plus touchdowns, had a 499 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: really really good season. JG's never played like that. JJ 500 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: played on an offense and a team in college that 501 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: was fucking loaded, I mean absolutely star studded everywhere you looked. 502 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: Offensive line, defensive line, running backs, overall defense, and a 503 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: head coach who philosophically believed in running the ball when 504 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: all else fails, call runs and will slam it down 505 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: people's throat. And that's what we did. That's not how 506 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell plays. Because they are equipped to chuck that 507 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: ball around. They have the best wide receiver in the league, 508 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: arguably himrh Jamar Chase, which ironic because they both played 509 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: on the same college team and were unstoppable and didn't 510 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: lose a game. Addison's a stud. They got players everywhere. 511 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: They've added a lot in free agency. There is no 512 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: just like, oh, well, what will ease into this thing? 513 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: If this does not go well? Like I do think 514 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy could be one and done. This isn't nineteen 515 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: ninety six, this isn't two thousand and seven, and it's 516 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: I guess it's no fault of his own. He got 517 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: injured last year, but last year just didn't happen. So 518 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: if this year goes bad and they were to miss 519 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: the playoffs, are they just gonna give him a long runway? 520 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: Trey Lance didn't get one, Anthony Richton didn't get one, 521 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: and Trey Lance played four games. So I just think 522 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: that the clock is ticking and this thing is gonna 523 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: be intense from the jump. The other guy that no 524 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: one's talking about, that I just have to wonder, is 525 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: this gonna work? Is Given the hype, there is no 526 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: disputing that Trevor Lawrence has been one of the more 527 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: underwhelming high draft picks in recent memory. He's not like 528 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: one of those where you just like, out of the league, 529 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: just totally sucks. But he's definitely not one of those 530 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: where you go, God lived up to the hype. What 531 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: an awesome player. If anything, he just leads you pretty frustrated. 532 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: I was told this guy was gonna be the greatest 533 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: thing since Andrew Locker paid Manning, and you watch him 534 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: and you just go, I don't know, I don't see 535 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: it now. I think it's easy to go. He plays 536 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: for the Jacks. Franchise has been in shambles and the 537 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: organization has just struggled to figure it out. The owner 538 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: from a GM to their coaching situation, it's just been 539 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: a mess. I look at Liam Cohen and I go, well, 540 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: how did Liam Cohen become a high level coaching prospect 541 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: because of two guys really three. Obviously Sean McVay put 542 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: him on the map, but when it comes to players 543 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: and it comes to quarterbacks, it was Matt Stafford and 544 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. And when I think of those two guys, 545 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: I think ultimate football guys, like absolute badasses, lay it 546 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: all on the field. Their teammates love them just throwbacks. 547 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you could picture Baker Stafford playing in the 548 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: sixties playing in the seventies. Obviously, both especially Stafford, made 549 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: a ton of money, but it feels like they would 550 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: have played for free, right. That's the passion, the toughness 551 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: they show. They're just awesome players to watch. It's easy 552 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: to watch them on television if you're at a game 553 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: and go, this guy's just a badass. Yes, that has 554 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: not really been Trevor Lawrence's thing. I mean, hell, when 555 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence was coming out as dad was like, Eh, 556 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: Football's not everything. He's got other loves, you know. It's like, yeah, 557 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: I think Baker and Stafford really love their family, but 558 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: like football means a lot to them, you know. And 559 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: I just wonder like Liam Cohen looks at football through 560 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: the eyes of those two competitors, and I understand he's 561 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: been paid a lot of money, but we have seen 562 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: recent examples. Russell Wilson is a good one that like 563 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: those days if the head coach doesn't like you and 564 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: doesn't want you, like if this thing does not go well, 565 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: And they obviously traded a future first round pick to 566 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: get Travis Hunter, so all of a sudden if this 567 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: gets weird, which I think is very possible given that 568 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence has proven nothing in the NFL, that maybe 569 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: a little bit this offseason, it's like, yeah, we'd probably 570 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: entertain giving Hi up because we're gonna need some picks, 571 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna need some reinforcements, and just go, yeah, this 572 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: is not our guy, this isn't our type play. And 573 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: like any young coach, it's like, I'm not saying that 574 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: he he shouldn't be willing and fired up to coach 575 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: the guy. But I think we've seen this song and 576 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: dance before. So if I was a betting man and 577 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: you tell me that this JAG season does not go 578 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 1: as planned, which I would, based on the last decade 579 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: plus of history, probably not gonna go well, I would 580 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: say everything would be on the table for Trevor Lawrence 581 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: next offseason. And this is one I did not see coming. 582 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: I was reading the actually watched this show called Missing 583 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: Amy or Amy's Missing or this crazy ass documentary on Netflix. 584 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: But between episodes, I like clicked on my phone in 585 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: the athletic the website came up and it was about 586 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: this new president because Murphy just retired from the Packers, 587 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: and his name is Ed Policy. He is the son 588 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: of Carmen Policy, who forever was like Eddie de Barbelow's 589 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: Can Siglieri, who became like the CEO of the forty 590 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: nine Ers during the Bill Walsh, George Seaffert, Joe Montana, 591 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: Steve Young days. It's like, damn, this is Carmen Policy's 592 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: son is now running the Packers, and he's in charge. 593 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: And what makes the Packers unique is there's no Jerry Jones, 594 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: there's no Bob Kraft, there's no Jeffrey Lury. Ed Policy 595 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: is essentially the boss and Gudakins and Lafour, who I 596 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: think are good and I expect them to be good 597 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: this season. I'm gonna pick the Packers to win the division. 598 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: That being said, they have two years left on both 599 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: their contracts and they're coming off kind of just a 600 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: weird season. They went one to five in the division. 601 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: You know, Jordan Love was just a little hit or miss. 602 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: I think part of that was injury. But still it's 603 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: this is the result base business. Right. You can give 604 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: me excuses till the cows come home. At the end 605 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: of the day, no one really gives a fuck. And 606 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: reading this article on the athletic ed policy is behind 607 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: these guys. He's rooting for him, but he's openly said, 608 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: like listen, like we gotta get it done. I don't 609 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: think they had to win the Super Bowl, but I 610 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: do think I don't know if these two guys, because 611 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: most people do not go into a lame duck season. 612 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: Most people GM or coach do not do what Mike 613 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: McCarthy just did or Joe Douglas just did. It's pretty rare, 614 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: especially when you have someone above you that did not 615 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: hire you. Now, I'm only bringing this would not cross 616 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: my mind. I didn't think about these guys being on 617 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: the hot seat. I don't even necessarily think they're on 618 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: the quote unquote hot seat. But after reading this article, 619 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: I went there is some pressure here, Like if you 620 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: don't win, you're telling me this guy who's a lifetime 621 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: football guy who's been around football since the day was born, 622 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: whose dad worked with Bill freaking Walsh, who helped build 623 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: with Eddie de Barbelow, one of the great dynasties in 624 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: the history of professional sports, these guys better win. These 625 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: guys better have a good season. There is more tangible 626 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: pressure on this group, including then I realized, I went, damn, 627 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: I maybe people are talking about this in Packer Land, 628 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: but I went, I don't. Could they just have like 629 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: an off season and go eight to nine to just 630 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: keep their jobs? I don't think so. So I think 631 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 1: there is sneaky some pressure in Green Bay to win, 632 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, to win the division, to host a playoff game, 633 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: and just show some positive momentum with Jordan Love for 634 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: ed policy to go. Okay, here's an extension, Matt Lafleur 635 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: and Brian Goodikins, you are my guys for the future. 636 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: But so you know, from Goudikins to the floor, to 637 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, to JJ McCarthy to Kyler Murray to the 638 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: guys in Atlanta, I think all these teams like wouldn't 639 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: shock me. I mean, I expect the Packers to make 640 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,439 Speaker 1: the playoffs, but hell, I mean I expect the forty 641 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: nine ers to compete for the Super Bowl last year 642 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: and went six and eleven. Like the NFL is weird. 643 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: Weird shit happens, things go sideways really really quick. And 644 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: obviously some of these quarterback situations, given the pressure of 645 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: modern day football and the microscope that's on it, you 646 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: better buckle up. Because this thing can get weird fast. 647 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to start with Ben Johnson because I think 648 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: sometimes you hear a lot the different generations gen X, 649 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: gen Z, Millennials and how we're all wired different. And 650 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: obviously we've all had different experiences as children depending on 651 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: the years we were growing up. But I think there 652 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: is a consistent theme with any young person who is 653 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: a high achiever and to make it into the NFL, 654 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: especially as a guy like Caleb Williams, you have to 655 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: be wired a certain way. There is a certain amount 656 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: of God given talent that people possess, right. It's a 657 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: reason that they're better than you at high school, it's 658 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: a reason they get into a college. But once you 659 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: get at the highest level, you have to take it 660 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: to another level, not just physically, but mentally in terms 661 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: of work ethic, in terms of training. It takes a 662 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: lot to last and to be a good player. You 663 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: can't fake your way into that. It's why coaching in 664 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: football has really separated then the other sports. Like in basketball, 665 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: you're not even allowed to yell to the players anymore. 666 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: They tell you what to do, and when they want 667 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: you fired, you're gone. In football, you could go and 668 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: do every position group in the NFL and in college, 669 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: and the position coach in that room is typically wearing 670 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: guys out and a lot of times the star players 671 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,760 Speaker 1: just the nature of the business and watching hard knocks 672 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: last year, I was like someone was missing with Eberflus. 673 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 1: He's just like, this is a Saban guy. This guy 674 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 1: was team captain for Saban's team. What and it was 675 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: just like for a defensive guy, he just felt kind 676 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: of soft. He just honestly, he just felt completely over 677 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: his head. And listen, anytime you become a head coach 678 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: from being a coordinator, there is no guarantee you're gonna 679 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: know what you're doing. And clearly Eberflus is never gonna 680 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: be a head coach again. But Ben Johnson, people have 681 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: been begging for him to take their job for a 682 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 1: long time. I mean, Washington was flying to Detroit a 683 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, I think praying and he'd take 684 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: the job. Clearly worked out for them landing Dan Quinn. 685 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: But listen, we're not all our wives' first choice. And 686 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: when I saw Ben Johnson is not only like kicking 687 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: the first team offense off the field and yelling at 688 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: guys and on guys and the intensities bringing to the 689 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: practice field, but how hard he's riding Caleb, I went, 690 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, this might have a chance, because, let's face it, 691 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: the number one through five reasons the guy was hired 692 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: was to fix Caleb Williams and coach the offense which 693 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: can't run without him. And I saw that he gave 694 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,720 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams going into the offseason a list of things 695 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 1: that he had to work on over the summer, from 696 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: studying the playbook to thirty to forty minutes a day, 697 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: to working on his footwork, which clearly needs to get better, 698 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: having goals of trying to complete seventy percent of his passes, 699 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: but even something as simple as like when you are 700 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: training in the summer, make sure you are working on 701 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: the throws to your left because you were terrible at 702 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: those during OTAs. And I will say this, whether you're 703 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, to Caleb Williams, to any 704 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 1: position player who's any good in the league, they want 705 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,240 Speaker 1: to be coach hard, They want to be pushed because 706 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: that's the only way to get better. The only way 707 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: to improve is when someone is willing to tell you 708 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: you need to do this that or the other thing 709 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: because what you're currently doing is not working. And in 710 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: the world of football sometimes that's very aggressive. And there 711 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: are several swear words attached with the message. Guys are 712 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: used to it. And I think one thing Caleb, it's 713 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 1: fair to say has lacked over the last several years, 714 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: even going back to college, is no one was telling 715 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: him anything like Lincoln Riley. Isn't exactly I would say, 716 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: viewed as a guy hard on his players, right, No 717 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: one's getting him confused with Nick Sabin or Kirby Smarter, 718 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: Brian Kelly. That's not really his mo. And then obviously 719 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: Eberflus was a dead man walking the moment Caleb Williams 720 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: showed up Ben Johnson, he's got some gravitas, he's got 721 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: some juice because he now more than Caleb, is viewed 722 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: as the most important guy in the organization. But if 723 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: he's going to have success, he needs this player to 724 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: be good and he needs to write him. I saw 725 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 1: headline today Dan Campbell kicked everyone out of practice, started 726 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: practice over like it's furious, right, So where did Ben 727 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: Johnson learn this from? And we're all products, you know, 728 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: definitely in football, whether it's audio or radio, or podcasting 729 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: of people we've worked with, people we've worked for, people 730 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 1: we've been around, and taking things that we like that 731 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: they do into our own world. And clearly Ben Johnson 732 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: I think is instituting some of the stuff that Dan 733 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,240 Speaker 1: Campbell is really good at. Writing these guys and writing 734 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: them hard. Now, you can't just scream at a guy. 735 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: To scream at him twenty four to seven. You gotta 736 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: love him up a little bit, but you gotta coach 737 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,800 Speaker 1: him hard. Football will never change. I don't care what 738 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: happens in society. They're the best coaches are always the 739 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: guys that demand the most and are the most intense. 740 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 1: You'd be like, why Andy Reid gets along with everyone. 741 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,240 Speaker 1: Ask any player, any coach, anyone in that front office 742 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: about their operation through training camp through the season. One 743 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: they have the most physical training camp, and two in 744 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: season there's not I'm just taking this practice off to 745 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: go in the training room. That doesn't fly. And I 746 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,479 Speaker 1: think if Ben Johnson wants to have success, he knows 747 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: he's got to be the hardest on Caleb Williams to 748 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: get the respect of all the other players on the team. 749 00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 1: The volume