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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, Devin from Thinking Sideways here, You remember Thinking Sideways,

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to give you a little preview of an episode

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<v Speaker 1>created by our friends over at Generation Why you know

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<v Speaker 1>Justin and Aaron. If you don't know Justin and Erin,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron are good friends who have gone through hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not already a subscriber, you should definitely definitely

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<v Speaker 1>like you got to meet us in person. Rather than

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<v Speaker 1>me just telling you about the show, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>give you opportunity to listen to a short preview from

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<v Speaker 1>their episode on The Menendez Brothers. I hope you will

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy it. I know you will enjoy it, So go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and take a listen, and I hope you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have a happy holidays. How are you doing tonight, Aaron.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing good. Justin How are you? I'm doing all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight's case, we're looking at Beverly Hills, California. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>very nice area. If you haven't been August. This is

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<v Speaker 1>before we've heard a term called affluenza before O J. Simpson.

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<v Speaker 1>This is probably been up in our top ten most

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<v Speaker 1>requested cases. I think maybe top five. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what are we talking about tonight, Aaron. The Menendez brothers case,

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<v Speaker 1>which involved the slangs of Jose and Kitty Menendez, which

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<v Speaker 1>were the parents of Lyle and Eric Menendez. Eric was

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen years old at the time and Lyle was twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>The Menendez estate was valued at more than fourteen million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>On this night, Lyle and Eric, armed with shotguns, enter

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<v Speaker 1>their parents home. They point their weapons at their parents,

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<v Speaker 1>who are sitting on the couch watching a James Bond movie,

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<v Speaker 1>and they began to shoot their parents with these pump

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<v Speaker 1>action shotguns. Yeah, twelve gage shotguns. It is said that

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<v Speaker 1>Jose didn't even know this happened. He died immediately. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>their mother, Kitty, she actually jumped up and tried to

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<v Speaker 1>run away after the initial volley of blasts coming at them.

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<v Speaker 1>She was injured, but she tried to escape, and we

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<v Speaker 1>know this because there was blood in the tread of

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<v Speaker 1>her sneakers. So Lyle and Eric had to reload. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they had to go back out to their car

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<v Speaker 1>and grab more ammo and reload. They didn't have extra

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<v Speaker 1>shotgun shells on them, so they had to go back

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<v Speaker 1>out to the car and get more to finish off

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<v Speaker 1>their mother, right, And I believe Eric handed the ammunition

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<v Speaker 1>to his brother Lyle, who loaded the shotgun and then

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<v Speaker 1>proceeded to go inside and finished off his own mother.

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<v Speaker 1>So this isn't really a heat of the moment type deal.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't a break This is they had shotguns and

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<v Speaker 1>they went in and they slaughtered their parents. So after

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<v Speaker 1>they shoot their parents, they end up calling and you

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<v Speaker 1>can find this phone call. It's readily available pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere in any documentary about this uh this case, and

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<v Speaker 1>they tell the dispatchers that they have come home to

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<v Speaker 1>find their parents have been murdered. Yeah, they had said

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<v Speaker 1>they had gone out to the movies and then, as

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<v Speaker 1>you said, they'd come home and found their parents murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>So what movie did they say they went out and saw. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they had planned to go see Batman, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>sold out. I mean, I don't know if you remember

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, but that movie was huge when it

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<v Speaker 1>came out. It was Tim Burton's Batman. This was so

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<v Speaker 1>they went to another movie, which was a James Bond

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<v Speaker 1>film titled License to Kill. We know they're lying to dispatchers.

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<v Speaker 1>They're screaming and yelling and playing off that they found

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<v Speaker 1>their parents. And it's just ironic that they would say that, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we went to a Bond movie when that just happens

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<v Speaker 1>to be the same movie. That not the same movie,

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<v Speaker 1>but another James Bond movie that their parents are watching.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a little connection there. I know you're a big

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<v Speaker 1>Bond movie fan. So we know that they planned to

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<v Speaker 1>kill their parents, but at the time when police showed up,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't admit to killing their parents. No, they stick

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<v Speaker 1>to their story that they find their parents when they

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<v Speaker 1>came home. They were at this James Bond movie, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were at this movie. And they even go so

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<v Speaker 1>far as to insinuate that it might be a mob

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<v Speaker 1>hit because of some of the wounds to their parents,

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<v Speaker 1>which includes shooting them in the kneecap, and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that's a technique that it's claimed mobsters will use cap them.

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<v Speaker 1>The police truly believe that what they're seeing is a

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<v Speaker 1>cold blooded murder, and they believe these two very affluent,

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<v Speaker 1>rich Everyone calls them the boys and kids, but they're adults.

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<v Speaker 1>What the police won't do is do a preemptive gunshot

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<v Speaker 1>residue test on either one of their hands. They won't

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<v Speaker 1>search their cars, which that's where they put the shotguns

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<v Speaker 1>after they murdered their parents, was in the trunk of

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<v Speaker 1>their cars. They actually ended up ditching those shotguns near

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<v Speaker 1>Mulholland Drive, and they did that before they went to

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<v Speaker 1>buy tickets at the movie theater. This is to try

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<v Speaker 1>to establish their alibi of why they weren't home at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of the murder. So this is around ten

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock at night. All we can say is the investigators

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<v Speaker 1>did talk to them for hours, but you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much they missed and I think it's because sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure anybody can make mistakes, but there was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of assuming going on. They assumed that these

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<v Speaker 1>sons were very distraught by the murders of their parents,

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<v Speaker 1>and that they weren't likely to be involved. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if them being part of a wealthy family

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<v Speaker 1>had something to do with that. I kind of want

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<v Speaker 1>to say yes. I think that's a huge factor. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Beverly Hills. They're living in a mansion with tennis

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<v Speaker 1>courts out back. You change this situation, you put this

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<v Speaker 1>murder anywhere else, I think. I think the police are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be questioning the the guys whoever finds the victims,

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<v Speaker 1>and probably testing their hands. But who knows. The investigators

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<v Speaker 1>spoke with neighbors and they had reported hearing something around

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<v Speaker 1>ten pm bangs, but they thought it was just kids

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<v Speaker 1>playing with fireworks or something. But that's about the time

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<v Speaker 1>that this couple was murdered. They probably don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>gunfire sounds like. Jose had been shot five or six

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<v Speaker 1>times with shotguns, and his wife, Kitty had been shot

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<v Speaker 1>about ten times. Jose's unrecognizable. Uh, they pretty much blew

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<v Speaker 1>his head off. Kitty similar situation. It's gruesome. Yeah, kitty

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<v Speaker 1>was shot in the face, and so you look at

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<v Speaker 1>this crime and you think this is a crime of

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<v Speaker 1>hatred or of payback. So when Lyle called the police,

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<v Speaker 1>he called about PM and as we already said, he

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<v Speaker 1>sounded really upset. In fact, they had trouble understanding him

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<v Speaker 1>because he was so upset on the phone. And we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked before about nine one one calls and how people

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<v Speaker 1>sound and this and that. But this is a distraught

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<v Speaker 1>person on the phone. I mean, if someone just played

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<v Speaker 1>that call and didn't give me any other information, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds serious, it sounds legit, and it's hard to determine

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<v Speaker 1>anything off a nine one one call. Anyone that says, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell they're lying. It's like, okay, whatever. In

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<v Speaker 1>this case, we know the truth going in, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>easy to dismantle his call. But he's a good actor.

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<v Speaker 1>And guess what, shooting your parents or killing somebody is

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<v Speaker 1>a very high stress situation, and you can use that

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<v Speaker 1>two in fluence. You're heightened, you know, state and cry

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<v Speaker 1>and and scream and yell, and its sounds and looks

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<v Speaker 1>legit because you are distraught because you've just done something

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<v Speaker 1>that's terrible. There were a couple of detectives assigned to

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<v Speaker 1>this case. Unfortunately for them, this whole mob hit angle

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really work. They couldn't find any way to establish

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<v Speaker 1>that there was a connection here other than it does

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<v Speaker 1>look like it could have been a mob hit. That

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<v Speaker 1>was just a preview. To listen to the rest of

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