1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Devin from Thinking Sideways here, You remember Thinking Sideways, 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: your favorite podcast that is no more Anyway, we've missed 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: you a lot um not a whole lot to announce yet, 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: but some really exciting things coming down the pipeline in 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: the new year, including some really awesome content on this feed, 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: so make sure you stay subscribed. In the meantime, I 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: wanted to give you a little preview of an episode 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: created by our friends over at Generation Why you know 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: Justin and Aaron. If you don't know Justin and Erin, 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what you've been doing with your lives. 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: If you don't already know about Generation Why. Justin and 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: Aaron are good friends who have gone through hundreds of 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: unsolved murders, conspiracy theories, and other mysteries on their weekly podcasts, 14 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: so you know the kind of content that you weirdoes love. 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: If you're not already a subscriber, you should definitely definitely 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: check it out. If you went to Crime Con, you 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: probably got to meet Justin and Erin in person, just 18 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: like you got to meet us in person. Rather than 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: me just telling you about the show, I wanted to 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: give you opportunity to listen to a short preview from 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: their episode on The Menendez Brothers. I hope you will 22 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: enjoy it. I know you will enjoy it, So go 23 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: ahead and take a listen, and I hope you guys 24 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: have a happy holidays. How are you doing tonight, Aaron. 25 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing good. Justin How are you? I'm doing all right. 26 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: Tonight's case, we're looking at Beverly Hills, California. It's a 27 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: very nice area. If you haven't been August. This is 28 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: before we've heard a term called affluenza before O J. Simpson. 29 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: This is probably been up in our top ten most 30 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: requested cases. I think maybe top five. I don't know 31 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: what are we talking about tonight, Aaron. The Menendez brothers case, 32 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: which involved the slangs of Jose and Kitty Menendez, which 33 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: were the parents of Lyle and Eric Menendez. Eric was 34 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 1: eighteen years old at the time and Lyle was twenty one. 35 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: The Menendez estate was valued at more than fourteen million dollars. 36 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: On this night, Lyle and Eric, armed with shotguns, enter 37 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: their parents home. They point their weapons at their parents, 38 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: who are sitting on the couch watching a James Bond movie, 39 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: and they began to shoot their parents with these pump 40 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: action shotguns. Yeah, twelve gage shotguns. It is said that 41 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: Jose didn't even know this happened. He died immediately. Now, 42 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: their mother, Kitty, she actually jumped up and tried to 43 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: run away after the initial volley of blasts coming at them. 44 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: She was injured, but she tried to escape, and we 45 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: know this because there was blood in the tread of 46 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: her sneakers. So Lyle and Eric had to reload. I 47 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: think they had to go back out to their car 48 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: and grab more ammo and reload. They didn't have extra 49 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: shotgun shells on them, so they had to go back 50 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: out to the car and get more to finish off 51 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: their mother, right, And I believe Eric handed the ammunition 52 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: to his brother Lyle, who loaded the shotgun and then 53 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 1: proceeded to go inside and finished off his own mother. 54 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: So this isn't really a heat of the moment type deal. 55 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: This isn't a break This is they had shotguns and 56 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: they went in and they slaughtered their parents. So after 57 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: they shoot their parents, they end up calling and you 58 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: can find this phone call. It's readily available pretty much 59 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: anywhere in any documentary about this uh this case, and 60 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: they tell the dispatchers that they have come home to 61 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: find their parents have been murdered. Yeah, they had said 62 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: they had gone out to the movies and then, as 63 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: you said, they'd come home and found their parents murdered. 64 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: So what movie did they say they went out and saw. Well, 65 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: they had planned to go see Batman, but it was 66 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: sold out. I mean, I don't know if you remember 67 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: at the time, but that movie was huge when it 68 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: came out. It was Tim Burton's Batman. This was so 69 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,119 Speaker 1: they went to another movie, which was a James Bond 70 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: film titled License to Kill. We know they're lying to dispatchers. 71 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: They're screaming and yelling and playing off that they found 72 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: their parents. And it's just ironic that they would say that, oh, 73 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: we went to a Bond movie when that just happens 74 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: to be the same movie. That not the same movie, 75 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: but another James Bond movie that their parents are watching. 76 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: Just a little connection there. I know you're a big 77 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: Bond movie fan. So we know that they planned to 78 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: kill their parents, but at the time when police showed up, 79 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: they didn't admit to killing their parents. No, they stick 80 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: to their story that they find their parents when they 81 00:05:55,400 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: came home. They were at this James Bond movie, and 82 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: they were at this movie. And they even go so 83 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: far as to insinuate that it might be a mob 84 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: hit because of some of the wounds to their parents, 85 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: which includes shooting them in the kneecap, and I guess 86 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: that's a technique that it's claimed mobsters will use cap them. 87 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: The police truly believe that what they're seeing is a 88 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: cold blooded murder, and they believe these two very affluent, 89 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: rich Everyone calls them the boys and kids, but they're adults. 90 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: What the police won't do is do a preemptive gunshot 91 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: residue test on either one of their hands. They won't 92 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: search their cars, which that's where they put the shotguns 93 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: after they murdered their parents, was in the trunk of 94 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: their cars. They actually ended up ditching those shotguns near 95 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: Mulholland Drive, and they did that before they went to 96 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: buy tickets at the movie theater. This is to try 97 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: to establish their alibi of why they weren't home at 98 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: the time of the murder. So this is around ten 99 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: o'clock at night. All we can say is the investigators 100 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: did talk to them for hours, but you know, there's 101 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: so much they missed and I think it's because sometimes 102 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: and I'm sure anybody can make mistakes, but there was 103 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: a lot of assuming going on. They assumed that these 104 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: sons were very distraught by the murders of their parents, 105 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: and that they weren't likely to be involved. And I 106 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: don't know if them being part of a wealthy family 107 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: had something to do with that. I kind of want 108 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: to say yes. I think that's a huge factor. This 109 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: is Beverly Hills. They're living in a mansion with tennis 110 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: courts out back. You change this situation, you put this 111 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: murder anywhere else, I think. I think the police are 112 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: going to be questioning the the guys whoever finds the victims, 113 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: and probably testing their hands. But who knows. The investigators 114 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: spoke with neighbors and they had reported hearing something around 115 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: ten pm bangs, but they thought it was just kids 116 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: playing with fireworks or something. But that's about the time 117 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: that this couple was murdered. They probably don't know what 118 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: gunfire sounds like. Jose had been shot five or six 119 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: times with shotguns, and his wife, Kitty had been shot 120 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: about ten times. Jose's unrecognizable. Uh, they pretty much blew 121 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: his head off. Kitty similar situation. It's gruesome. Yeah, kitty 122 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: was shot in the face, and so you look at 123 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: this crime and you think this is a crime of 124 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: hatred or of payback. So when Lyle called the police, 125 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: he called about PM and as we already said, he 126 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: sounded really upset. In fact, they had trouble understanding him 127 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: because he was so upset on the phone. And we've 128 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: talked before about nine one one calls and how people 129 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: sound and this and that. But this is a distraught 130 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: person on the phone. I mean, if someone just played 131 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: that call and didn't give me any other information, it 132 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: sounds serious, it sounds legit, and it's hard to determine 133 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: anything off a nine one one call. Anyone that says, oh, 134 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: I can tell they're lying. It's like, okay, whatever. In 135 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: this case, we know the truth going in, so it's 136 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: easy to dismantle his call. But he's a good actor. 137 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: And guess what, shooting your parents or killing somebody is 138 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: a very high stress situation, and you can use that 139 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: two in fluence. You're heightened, you know, state and cry 140 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: and and scream and yell, and its sounds and looks 141 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: legit because you are distraught because you've just done something 142 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: that's terrible. There were a couple of detectives assigned to 143 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: this case. Unfortunately for them, this whole mob hit angle 144 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: didn't really work. They couldn't find any way to establish 145 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: that there was a connection here other than it does 146 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: look like it could have been a mob hit. That 147 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: was just a preview. To listen to the rest of 148 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: this episode, subscribe to Generation Why on Apple Podcasts Today.