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Speaker 1: Welcome one of Bills Lives teach Aster, Maddie glab here

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Speaker 1: till three o'clock. Welcome back to the program. We're here yesterday.

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Speaker 1: We had a really nice show yesterday with a ton

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Speaker 1: The whole company's taking the day off. Step you and me,

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Speaker 1: mad So we're working. But it's a good thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is. It is actually a good thing. Uh All

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Speaker 1: that's going. Beautiful day out again. Man, we've we've been

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Speaker 1: was awesome. I did see it. I and I it was.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking too, and I sat down here today

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Speaker 1: so we're here till three o'clock. Steve Tasker, Mattic Glab.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a mail bag today. If you guys

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Speaker 1: But it's also kind of a significant day, I think

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Speaker 1: for us. We're on the air on and we're selling

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Speaker 1: we're not taking the day off for Juneteenth Holloway Holiday,

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Speaker 1: and for good reason. We've got a lot of guests

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Speaker 1: to you know why. And I gotta be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: This is the first year I've ever heard of it,

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Speaker 1: they so choose to. And I think it's interesting to know,

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Speaker 1: and I said this to Maddie at the end of

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Speaker 1: our program yesterday, was that what a different world we

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Speaker 1: live in now than we did in twenty sixteen when

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Speaker 1: Colin Kaeprick Nick Neldon there was an outrage about that,

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Speaker 1: and now so many of us have come to a

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Speaker 1: greater understanding of what he was trying to do. And

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Speaker 1: it was not a protest about the flag, It was

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Speaker 1: not a protest about the anthem. It was a protest

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Speaker 1: about injustice, and that injustice has been shown to us

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Speaker 1: graphically over the past month. And what a different world

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Speaker 1: it has made for us, and as painful as it

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Speaker 1: is for a lot of us to get here, it

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Speaker 1: is amazing. And perhaps you can say, if it is

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Speaker 1: or not, to you, how amazing it is that all

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Speaker 1: of us have moved so far in such a short time.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, And I think and I would hope that

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Speaker 1: our players or anybody would understand that if I'm standing,

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Speaker 1: that does not mean that I am against inequality, that

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Speaker 1: I'm you know that, um, that I'm for you know, racism,

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Speaker 1: Certainly it's not. I mean, like I said, it's in

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Speaker 1: and the same goes for um, you know, our our players,

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Speaker 1: like certainly if they're if they choose to kneel or

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Speaker 1: whoever you know wants to to protest, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that it's because they don't love the country,

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Speaker 1: or that they don't respect our military or any of

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Speaker 1: that thing. So um so yes, But but you're right,

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Speaker 1: I do think that, you know, in some ways we

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Speaker 1: come along ways and other ways it's been very slow.

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Speaker 1: I think if you talk to the black community, they say, listen,

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Speaker 1: it's been you know, hundreds of years. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: still in this place. But I do think that you're right. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this time around, um, I think people are listening more

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Speaker 1: and whether it's deliberate or whether it's just a part

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Speaker 1: of where we are in our world that we are,

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Speaker 1: we're listening more in our hearts and our ears are

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Speaker 1: a little bit more open than maybe they were three

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Speaker 1: years ago. Kim. This virtual offseason has been so weird

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Speaker 1: in so many ways for so many of us. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're all working from home, we're all quarantining. It's been

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Speaker 1: a weird few months. Looking looking from afar at what

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean have been able to do

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Speaker 1: in this virtual period. How impressed are you at what

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Speaker 1: they've done? And Sean mcdermots said this week in a

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Speaker 1: press conference that he's been impressed by the way that

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Speaker 1: he's seen his staff, from the players, the coaching staff

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Speaker 1: to the IT department, be able to come together and

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Speaker 1: make this thing work. Oh, you know, certainly, like this

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Speaker 1: kind of came upon us real quick, right, the fact

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Speaker 1: that all of a sudden we all had to work

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Speaker 1: from home. And you know, you guys know coaches, they

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Speaker 1: they like their routine. Players like their routine, like they

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Speaker 1: they want to know exactly they got everything timed down,

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Speaker 1: and so this was a huge, you know, different way

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Speaker 1: of coaching of learning for our staff, and they really

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Speaker 1: were real troopers and I think, you know now, I

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Speaker 1: think they've also learned a lot, much more versatile in

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Speaker 1: technology and just even just a confidence that you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: things may change around us, they may be distractions, but

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Speaker 1: we can really still do what we need to do

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Speaker 1: and come together. I've enjoyed it. You know, Terry and

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Speaker 1: I were on a call with all the rookies, on

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Speaker 1: a zoom call with all the rookies, and you know it,

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Speaker 1: It's funny because I think previously, in another year, I

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Speaker 1: don't remember ever doing that. Now I remember meeting, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe a rookie when they came in after they were drafted,

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Speaker 1: and you know, in the lunch room in your past

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Speaker 1: and you say hello and you introduce yourself. But to

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Speaker 1: be able to get on a zoom call with the

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Speaker 1: whole class talk, you know, Terry and I talking about

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Speaker 1: who we are, talking with each of the players on

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Speaker 1: the call and everyone joining and um. So there's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of pluses. And I think even just being

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Speaker 1: able to get together things that we kind of maybe

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Speaker 1: took for granted that we now so much more appreciate

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Speaker 1: so UM, and I will say, are you're right the technology,

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Speaker 1: our IT department, the coaching staff, and the players, whether

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Speaker 1: you're a veteran or you're a rookie, I mean poor

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Speaker 1: a rookie right, our draft class, right, So they they

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Speaker 1: have all really taken to it, understand that we have

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Speaker 1: a season to get prepared for UM and have not

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Speaker 1: shied off of the workload. That was my fault because

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Speaker 1: I was I was listening to it and I started

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Speaker 1: talking and had my mic muted, So that's my bed.

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Speaker 1: So I said, Dollar, that was from yesterday. She had

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff you could really you know, that

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Speaker 1: was a wide ranging interview that we did and talked

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Speaker 1: about a lot of stuff having to do with what

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Speaker 1: she's been through personally, what her and terror going through

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Speaker 1: with the virtual offseason, with all that's going on with

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills and the NFL. She is on the

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Speaker 1: NFL's Committee for Diversity and so much going on. Plus

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Speaker 1: the you know the fact that you know, as an

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Speaker 1: adopted children from a child from overseas, she has a

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Speaker 1: stake and the anthem protests and things like that is

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting. To hear her speak about all that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I always love talking to Kim. She comes from a

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Speaker 1: diverse background and it was great to hear her say

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Speaker 1: that she supports the players if they choose to kneel,

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Speaker 1: just like Sean McDermott said he supports players, he respects them.

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Speaker 1: It was great to hear that from an owner too,

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Speaker 1: because we have yet to hear from a lot of

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Speaker 1: owners across the league on this subject as the season

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Speaker 1: is starting to be right around the corner as training

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Speaker 1: camp starts next month. Yeah, we like to thank Kim

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Speaker 1: for taking some time to be with us. Later on

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Speaker 1: the show, Maddy's going to sit down with Jimmy Salgatto

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Speaker 1: and Nathan Harret for a roundtable discussion. And also we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have a producer, director Anthony Smith from NFL Network

537
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Speaker 1: on the Fritz Pollard of Forgotten Men NFL three sixty

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Speaker 1: documentary that's coming up at the top of the hour.

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Speaker 1: Mattie's gonna come on with Jimmy Salgado. This is Steve Tasker,

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Speaker 1: Maddie Glab We're gonna take a break. This is presented

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Speaker 1: by Kalidah Health and this is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome Back,

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Speaker 1: to one Bill Live Keep's astromatic glab here till three o'clock.

543
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Speaker 1: We just got off the air after an interview with

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Speaker 1: Kim Pagoula, and she was pretty forthcoming in her feelings

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Speaker 1: about the anthem protests. She recollected being adopted into this

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Speaker 1: country and becoming a naturalized citizen when she was a youngster,

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Speaker 1: and so she stands for the anthem for a much

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Speaker 1: different reason than maybe you or I would stand for

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Speaker 1: the anthem as well. And it's a reminder that there's

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Speaker 1: so many feelings about, you know, what the anthem means

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Speaker 1: to different people in our own country and full citizens

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Speaker 1: of our own country. Definitely, it was interesting to hear

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Speaker 1: King's side of the story and how she feels about

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Speaker 1: standing or kneeling. It was also great to hear her

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Speaker 1: say that she supports her players if they choose to kneel.

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Speaker 1: I think that's important too, to be able to be

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Speaker 1: on a team like the Bills and feel like your

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Speaker 1: head coach, the coaching staff, the owners have your best

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Speaker 1: interests in mind and support you and recognize, hey, yeah,

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Speaker 1: things aren't right in this country, and we support whatever

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Speaker 1: you choose to do during this national anthem Because three

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Speaker 1: years ago when Colin was doing it, it wasn't that way, right,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. And it's interesting too because there

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Speaker 1: are some people and for whatever reason, they'll never get

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Speaker 1: over somebody kneeling at the flag. They'll they'll hold it

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Speaker 1: against them for the rest of their lives, and that's

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Speaker 1: their right to do that. But for me, it's hard

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Speaker 1: for me to get around the fact that they're not

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Speaker 1: everybody sees it the same way they do. And if

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna at least hear what they have to

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Speaker 1: say or find out the reasons why they are doing it,

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Speaker 1: that's on you, not them. So certainly you don't have

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Speaker 1: to agree with them, but I think the fact that

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Speaker 1: somebody is protesting something seems like something we should sit

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Speaker 1: down and maybe listen to, which has finally started to

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Speaker 1: happen in the past few weeks, and fortunately it's taken

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Speaker 1: a three murders for the past month to bring our

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Speaker 1: attention to it. If you want to listen to Kim

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Speaker 1: Pogula's interview that we just did last half hour, you

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Speaker 1: can go to Buffalo Bills dot com and watch it again.

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Speaker 1: The Buffalo Bills app, Spotify, Google Play, and Apple podcasts

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Speaker 1: as well. Coming up at the top of the hour,

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Speaker 1: Maddie is going to sit down with Jimmy Salgado and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Hare who Nathan Hare is the professor of world

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Speaker 1: history at Madai College. Jimmy Salgatto is the nickel coach

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Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bill Strange grouping there, mad Girl, a

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Speaker 1: nickelback coach in the NFL, and a professor of world history.

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Speaker 1: Pretty interesting group. It was a great group to have

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Speaker 1: come together. I mean, I've never met Nathan Hair before,

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Speaker 1: either had Jimmy Salgado, and we all got on the

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Speaker 1: zoom call and it was a quick introduction to each other.

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Speaker 1: And it's so great that, I mean, I know Jimmy

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Speaker 1: from being around one Bill's Drive and working for the organization,

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Speaker 1: but it's great that the three of us with completely

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Speaker 1: different backgrounds could come together and have such a wonderful

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Speaker 1: conversation on the topic of racial injustice and police brutality.

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Speaker 1: It just shows you that people from all corners of

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Speaker 1: the world can come together and can hear each other

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Speaker 1: out and can understand and can be there to listen.

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Speaker 1: It was I walked away from it thinking I could

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Speaker 1: use another two hours of hearing from Nathan Hair, Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Salgado right. Also coming up this show at two o'clock,

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Speaker 1: NFL three sixty producer director Anthony Smith. He's premiering a

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Speaker 1: documentary on NFL Network that's called Fritz Pollard A Forgotten Man.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know who Fritz Pollard was, He's an

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Speaker 1: NFL Hall of Famer and in the nineteen twenties he

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Speaker 1: became the first African American head coach in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League. And you think about the story, and a

609
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Speaker 1: story of that nature is finally being told one hundred.

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Speaker 1: It's only it was like fifty years or fifty five

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Speaker 1: years after slavery. Slavery was abolished, and it was Jim Crow.

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Speaker 1: Laws were in full effect, and he was actually a

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Speaker 1: headcut You think about what being a head coach of

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Speaker 1: an NFL team means now, certainly and perhaps not the

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Speaker 1: most prestigious thing back in the nineteen twenties, but nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: having an African American be a head coach of a

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Speaker 1: group of white athletes was unprecedented at the time. Fritz

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Speaker 1: Potter's in the Hall of Fame for how he handled it.

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Speaker 1: We've got Anthony Smith, the producer director of that documentary

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Speaker 1: coming up at two o'clock and there are two twenty

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Speaker 1: it's round out the show. Heath Farwell, special teams coordinator

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Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bills, and we also spoke to Heath

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Speaker 1: yesterday and recorded it for today. A lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: going and this theme at the theme of today is

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Speaker 1: the Juneteenth Holiday, And Mattie and I confessed embarrassingly that

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Speaker 1: for me, anyway, I didn't I didn't know June what

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Speaker 1: Juneteenth Holiday was until what lessen a week ago, And

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Speaker 1: now I'm like, what have we been doing? Right? It

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Speaker 1: seems kind of natural to me to have had this

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Speaker 1: as a commemoration in our country, definitely, And I'm so

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Speaker 1: glad that if people were unaware of this, which I

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Speaker 1: became aware of it definitely after I was a kid.

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Speaker 1: But it's great that so many people are being brought

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Speaker 1: to light these last few weeks about Juneteenth, about black history,

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Speaker 1: about why it should be celebrated, about why we should

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Speaker 1: all be in this fight to end racial injustice, systemic racism.

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Speaker 1: It's something that every single one of us needs to

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Speaker 1: play a part in because again, it's it's not a

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Speaker 1: political issue, it's a humanitarian issue. It's about loving one

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Speaker 1: another and understanding one another. Yeah, And I think the

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Speaker 1: understanding parts of the part we all have a hard

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Speaker 1: time with. Right, Um, First you gotta listen, then you

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Speaker 1: got to understand. And for a lot of us, and

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Speaker 1: me included it, I don't listen too well, you know,

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Speaker 1: so I can confess that you won't hold that against me, right, mad, No,

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Speaker 1: not at all? Jay does Jay? Jay Harris holds it

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Speaker 1: against me. Nobody else? Yeah, Okay, some of the stuff

648
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: that's got some of the stuff that's going on around

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Speaker 1: the league. Unexpectedly, New York Jets All Pro safety Jamal

650
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: Adams is asking for a trade. That's a shocker to me.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't because Murph and I interviewed him at the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl or the combine two years ago super Bowl,

653
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Speaker 1: and we could not have been more impressed with him.

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Speaker 1: And he was a he's a leader, he's a sharp guy,

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Speaker 1: he's intelligent, really a guy like you really want him

656
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: on your squad, right, And he wants out of New York.

657
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: That is not good for the New York Jets. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know that certainly everybody's interested

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Speaker 1: in him, but I don't know how many people are

660
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Speaker 1: gonna be willing to pay that price. Yeah, that's gonna

661
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: be an expensive person to paper. That's a he's a

662
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: talented player in this league, that's right. Yeah. Also, if

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Speaker 1: you didn't hear during the week, and we've talked a

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Speaker 1: lot about Colin Kaepernick, Anthony Lyon, former Bill's offensive coordinator,

665
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: now the head coach of the LA Chargers, said that

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Speaker 1: you know, Colin Kaepernick's on their workout list. He's a

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Speaker 1: guy they would be interested in signing and looking at

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Speaker 1: to see if he's interested in playing and see if

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Speaker 1: they're interested in signing him. But there are. But they

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Speaker 1: also add he said, listen, there's a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: on our runway. We're gonna work out a lot of guys.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys on our list. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know that Colin Kaepernick is gonna land on his

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Speaker 1: feet and all of a sudden become a backup player

675
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Speaker 1: in the National Football League. But certainly if he wasn't

676
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Speaker 1: carrying around the baggage of his protest from four years ago,

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Speaker 1: that's a guy that would be on somebody's roster, I believe, Yeah,

678
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Speaker 1: and he should be on somebody's roster. It's sad and

679
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Speaker 1: annoying to think that because of something he did that

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00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: is now a normal thing to do. He's he's being

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Speaker 1: punished still for doing something that was completely peaceful. But

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Speaker 1: all right, not for nothing, but you think about it,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, think about what he did. Though not

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Speaker 1: only has he he kind of rose awareness around the

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Speaker 1: country for what was going on, but you know it,

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Speaker 1: it was a forerunner of the protests we've been experiencing

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Speaker 1: for the past month, and he kind of brought the

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Speaker 1: NFL to its senses, at least the commissioner who they

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Speaker 1: stood up and said, you know what, They looked around

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Speaker 1: and said, you know what, let's give this. Like last fall,

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Speaker 1: they said, let's give this guy work out. This is crazy.

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Speaker 1: And now Roger Goodell says, you know we had we

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Speaker 1: basically saying they botched it and the way they handled it.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody can come around full circle and have the

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Speaker 1: National Football League of twenty seven billion dollars industry say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we got that wrong. But Colin Kaepernick

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Speaker 1: did it, and credit to him. Let's take a break,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Maddie Glab We'll be back just after this one.

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live presented by Kalida help on Buffalo Bill's Radio,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to one of Those Lives, chiefs Asker Maddie

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Speaker 1: glab with you. We've got Maddie in a roundtable with

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Salgado and Nathan Hair coming up right after the

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Speaker 1: top of the hour. And we also asked our listeners

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Speaker 1: you to email us or tweet at us some questions

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Speaker 1: you wanted us to answer, and we've got a stack

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Speaker 1: of those. We're going to start off with the first one,

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Speaker 1: Maddie From Josh. He says, do you think the Bills

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Speaker 1: will extend the contracts of Bean and McDermott this offseason?

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Speaker 1: I believe they have two years left on their current deals,

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Speaker 1: and that's the way I understand it too. Josh. Mattie,

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Speaker 1: We've talked about a little bit on the show, but

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts about the extensions of Brandon Bean

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Speaker 1: and Sean McDermott. They should totally be extended. Does it

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Speaker 1: happen this offseason? I don't know. I think this offseason

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Speaker 1: is quite a different offseason unlike many others due to

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, so I could understand and see why they

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Speaker 1: would wait past this offseason in this year to extend

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Speaker 1: I think that kind of makes the most sense. With

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Speaker 1: the off season and who really knows what's going to

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Speaker 1: happen with this season. I mean, we talked to all

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Speaker 1: day yesterday about the fact that there could be a

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Speaker 1: spike and who knows if the season would ever get

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Speaker 1: put on hold, who knows if they'll finished the entire season.

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Speaker 1: So I think there's a few too many questions up

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Speaker 1: in the air currently. What do you think. I agree,

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Speaker 1: there's there's no way that both those guys don't get

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Speaker 1: another contract from the Buffalo Bills. There's absolutely no way.

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Speaker 1: But this may not be the offseason that anybody wants

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Speaker 1: to deal with it, let alone the Pagoulas or the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. It. I mean, McDermott bean may not want

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Speaker 1: to deal with it right now. Certainly they deserve it.

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Speaker 1: Two out of the last three years they've been in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Two years ago McDermott's first year as head

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Speaker 1: coach the team. In the beginning of the season, they

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Speaker 1: made a couple of last minute trades right before the

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Speaker 1: season started with Matt Darby and and I can't even

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Speaker 1: remember that the guys now and then they Marcel Darius

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Speaker 1: was gone. They traded those guys and they got accused

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Speaker 1: of tanking and they went to the playoffs. This it

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Speaker 1: has been head coach, general manager and coaching staff that

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Speaker 1: has gotten the most out of this roster from start

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Speaker 1: to finish, and there's I just don't think there's any

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Speaker 1: possible way they won't be extended. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: going to happen this offseason because of the pandemic and

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Speaker 1: the uncertainty about the salary cap and all everything else

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Speaker 1: going into it. So yes, they will get extended in

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Speaker 1: my opinion. No, they won't do it this offseason. They

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Speaker 1: got two years left. There's not a real hurry. And

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Speaker 1: let's face it, I hate to laugh because it's not

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Speaker 1: my money. But Terry Pagoula got a raise this year

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Speaker 1: because he's not paying Rex Ryan anymore. Finally, so right,

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Speaker 1: so that's off the books. So that little, that little

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Speaker 1: you know Christmas gift is off the book. So for

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Speaker 1: all that, you know, the Bills got a little boost

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Speaker 1: on their bottom line from not paying the guy that

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Speaker 1: you know. It's funny because it's true, it's it's all overhead.

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Speaker 1: But man, oh man, when you get it right, I

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Speaker 1: think anybody can understand that you don't you don't upset

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Speaker 1: the apple cart. Certainly we saw when they couldn't get

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Speaker 1: it right for so long here in the Buffalo uh,

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Speaker 1: and it seemed like for the moment that the Bagoula's

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Speaker 1: got it right here on the Buffalo Bills side three

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Speaker 1: years ago. Man oh man, they're not they're not budging.

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Speaker 1: There's in fact, they're supporting them. They dumped twenty million

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Speaker 1: dollars into the into the facility and that's paid dividends

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Speaker 1: so far with maybe the healthiest football squad on the planet.

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Speaker 1: So ah, that's good. So yeah, I agree with you, Maddie.

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Speaker 1: They'll get it. They'll get an extension in due time, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they they'll be with the Buffalo Bills. They're not going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: No need to rock the boat because they're staying on

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Speaker 1: the boat. I just wish they'd but hire me and

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Speaker 1: you as their agents. That'd be they just give me

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Speaker 1: a little percentage that all right, All right, here we go,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna come back. Maddie's gonna be in a round

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Speaker 1: table with Jimmy Salgado Nathan Hair, professor of world history

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Speaker 1: at Madai College. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio presented by

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Speaker 1: back to One Bills livest Tats go on with Maddie

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Speaker 1: Glab and earlier in the week, Maddie got a chance

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Speaker 1: to sit down with Nickel coach for the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 1: jim Salgado, and the professor of world history from Adi College,

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Speaker 1: Nathan Hair, and they had a round table to get

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Speaker 1: a background on the Juneteenth Holiday and what we can

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Speaker 1: do as a nation to improve racial relations. Here's Maddie Glab.

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Speaker 1: Maddie Glab here, Jimmy sal Salgado are Nickel coach for

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. And we're also pleased to have Nathan

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Speaker 1: Hair with us too. He's the CEO of the Community

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Speaker 1: Action Organization and a professor of world history at Madai College.

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Speaker 1: Has also been a professor of Black history Medai College.

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Speaker 1: And we want to get together to have a conversation

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Speaker 1: today about systemic racism, racial injustice, police brutality, a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that we're seeing in today's world. A big

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Speaker 1: topic of conversation right now, but a topic that we

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Speaker 1: should continue to talk about beyond the time that it

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Speaker 1: dies down as a hot topic. And one thing that

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Speaker 1: the NFL is doing is observing Juneteenth as a holiday

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Speaker 1: this year, so their offices will be closed as well

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Speaker 1: as many other team offices will be closed. Now, I

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Speaker 1: think it's important to think about Juneteenth not as a

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Speaker 1: time to necessarily take the day off to sit back

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Speaker 1: white community, it's important to educate and to continue to

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Speaker 1: learn about this subject in our place of how we

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Speaker 1: can help fight to end systemic racism, because at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, we all can play a part. So, Nathan, you,

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Speaker 1: of Black history at sometime in at Madai College, I

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Speaker 1: just want to ask you just about the history of Juneteenth.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's an anniversary that some of

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Speaker 1: us may not understand the exact background on. So how

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Speaker 1: do you think us as Americans should view the holiday.

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Speaker 1: How do you think us as Americans should understand what

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Speaker 1: Juneteenth represents in American history? Well, you know, we celebrate

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Speaker 1: the founding of the United States in seventeen seventy six,

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Speaker 1: even though we didn't have a constitution until seventeen eighty nine,

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Speaker 1: so with Juneteenth you had two events. In January of

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Speaker 1: eighteen sixty three, Lincoln actually executed the Emancipation Proclamation. I'll

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Speaker 1: the significance of that was. But the idea was supposed

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Speaker 1: and you know, they should be able to spring themselves

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Speaker 1: away from the plantations and move on with their lives.

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Speaker 1: But in reality, slavery did not end with the Emancipation Proclamation,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, the Emancipation Proclamation didn't free a single slave.

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Speaker 1: The Emancipation Proclamation was a declaration over another country. The

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Speaker 1: South had already seceded from the Union, they already had

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Speaker 1: embassies in other countries, they already had traded image without

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Speaker 1: other countries. They were completely That's like Canada making a

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Speaker 1: lot of effect. What you're going to do in New

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Speaker 1: York City, it would be irrelevant. You wouldn't have any

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Speaker 1: attention to them. So slavery did not end with that.

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Speaker 1: When juneteenth occurs. This is when the news finally got

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Speaker 1: end of the territory that was controlled by the United States,

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Speaker 1: So naturally it would be the last thing you would

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Speaker 1: get to because they didn't have the internet, you know,

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Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty five, and so the news that the

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Speaker 1: Civil War had been won, that the North had won

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Speaker 1: it finally got to Texas Galveston, Texas sometime in that

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Speaker 1: period between June thirteenth in June nineteenth. Nobody knows the

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Speaker 1: exact date when it got there, but a Carl Granger

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Speaker 1: was the one who came and brought the news to people.

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Speaker 1: But I need for people to also understand how this

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Speaker 1: plays into the discussion that we're going to have today,

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Speaker 1: which is that even when the Civil War ended, slavery

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Speaker 1: did not end. In fact, when Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was signed,

851
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Speaker 1: it said in the Emancipation Proclamation that any district, state, parish,

852
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: county that wanted to stay within the Union could keep

853
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: slavery as an institution as long as they stayed with

854
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: the Union. So when the Civil War ended, you had

855
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: places in Virginia, places in Kentucky, places in Louisiana and

856
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: other places that still has avery for ten or fifteen

857
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: years after the end of the Civil War. So the

858
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: Thirteenth Amendment was passed has a way to end that

859
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: in those other states that still had slavery. But I

860
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: need for people to also read the Thirteenth Amendment. If

861
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: you read the thirteenth Amendment, it says slavery is abolished

862
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: in these United States, and it has a common and

863
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: it says it says accept as a punishment for being

864
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: duly convicted of a crime. So in reality, slavery has

865
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: been permanently institutionalized in the United States as the punishment

866
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: you deliver somebody for getting convicted of a crime. So

867
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: if you're a Southern plantation owner, you've lost all your slaves,

868
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: but you control the law enforcement community. Then you start

869
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: creating laws that say, if you don't have a job,

870
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: that's breaking the law. If you're cogrety, you're under corner,

871
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: that's breaking the law. You're drinking in public, that's breaking

872
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: the law. If you're catching in the woods with three

873
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: other people, you're breaking the law. And then by breaking

874
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: these disorderly conduct laws, you could be enslaved and put

875
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 1: into a chain game, and then that just kept going,

876
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, and compounding itself. So it's the fact that

877
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: that sort of thing continued to happen in the United

878
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: States and it was not really challenged by people all

879
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: over the United States. That is what is being referred

880
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: to as systemic racism that continues to this day. Yeah,

881
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: I definitely think we're still seeing the effects of slavery

882
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: of all those who have been enslaved in a lot

883
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: of different ways. And this country has woken up in

884
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: the last month with the murder of George Floyd at

885
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: the hand of an ex police officer, and it started

886
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: a big conversation with everybody on social media, on the news,

887
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: within our families, with our friends, conversations that need to happen,

888
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: that need to continue to happen, that are very important,

889
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: that should have happened years ago. To think that we're

890
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: still here in twenty twenty is quite sad. But the

891
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: NFL has decided to recognize Juneteenth as a holiday as

892
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: well as pledge two hundred and fifty million dollars over

893
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: the next ten years to fight systemic racism, which I

894
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: think we all can agree it's a step in the

895
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: right direction, right but we should be clapping over the country, right.

896
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: So all these things are positive, and it's it's great

897
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: that the NFL is recognizing that this is a problem

898
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: in our country and we need to fight to end

899
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: this problem because everybody should be treated equally, no matter

900
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: of your skin color, no matter of your background. But

901
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: what can the NFL continue to do to help with this? Jimmy,

902
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: I want to ask you. You are a coach of

903
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: an NFL team, You're Nickel coach for the Buffalo Bills.

904
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: You get to deal with a lot of players every

905
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: single day. A lot of those players are black players.

906
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: A lot of our players in the NFL are black.

907
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: They make up seventy five percent of the athlete population here.

908
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: So while we're seeing the NFL make some steps in

909
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: the right direction, what would you like to see the NFL,

910
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: as well as the Buffalo Bills continue to do on

911
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: this topic of conversation? Thanks, Mattie. I think you know,

912
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: all in all, we have to come together first and

913
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: foremost the NFL the players, and I think they've already

914
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: started to do that and to use their voice, use

915
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: their platforms that these players have, and we've already seen

916
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: it come out where We've had players come out and

917
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: make videos and with some certain recommendations that they wanted

918
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: to see from the NFL, and which was great. They

919
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: have every right to do that, and it's it's very

920
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: powerful because of the NFL being it's it's the number

921
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: one sport in our country, and it's very visible. These

922
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: players are looked upon it by people all across the

923
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: from all different shape, sizes, colors, and their voice is heard,

924
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: especially with our youth. And I think that is one

925
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: of the things that I've seen with our guys, not

926
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: only with the Buffalo Bills, but across the NFL, that

927
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: are going out and using this platform that they have

928
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: able to communicate and spread the word that hey, this

929
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: has got to stop. We need this to change. It's

930
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 1: repeated throughout history, right, We've all seen it, and it's

931
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: time for it to stop permanently. And I think with

932
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: them being able to speak up is a huge thing,

933
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: and the NFL's listening. They've already made a great contribution.

934
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: But I think also with the with the Bills, we

935
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: met as an organization, it all starts right, Listen, learn

936
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: and love, and that's where it starts off with and

937
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: that's where we got to, you know, come together, all

938
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: of us together, no matter what color, race, create, religion,

939
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, we got to come together. It

940
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: all starts in the heart, starts in the heart, and

941
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: I think when we hit that, that's where things are

942
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: going to change. I want to speak to the topic

943
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: of a platform. I think we all have a platform

944
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: and in some way, shape or form, regardless of if

945
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: we're getting paid millions to play a sport on TV. Nathan,

946
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: how do you think people can use their platform today

947
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: to educate, to to put content out there to learn,

948
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: regardless of if you're an athlete or just you know,

949
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: a citizen of Buffalo. You know, I think Jimmy put

950
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: his hand, his finger right on the button on this.

951
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: The athletes don't have to be the greatest speaker. They

952
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 1: don't have to be, you know, the most areadyite person

953
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 1: in terms of articulating you know, the whole history of things,

954
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: just the fact that they are there. Ask athletes as

955
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: highly accomplished people when they come into a school, when

956
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: they come to a police athletic league, when they come

957
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: to some youth serving organization, when they talk to people

958
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: in boardrooms and kalanis clubs and rotaries, people listen to them,

959
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: and what they're listening for is the athletes humanity because

960
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: that's what other people connect to. People don't really connect

961
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: necessarily to your history. They can, I mean, they like

962
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: to know your history, but they don't necessarily. You don't

963
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: bond with the history of somebody, you bond with the

964
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: humanity of somebody. So when somebody shows you that in

965
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: their life experience, they've done some of the things that

966
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 1: you have done, They've faced challenges, overcome those challenges, they've

967
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: lived the life, they've pulled it together, and they've made

968
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: something of themselves. Other people, no matter what walk of

969
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: life they come to, it doesn't matter whether you're an

970
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: engineer or you're a football player. It's still the same

971
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: path that you find yourself going through. So I find

972
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: that every athlete has a platform. All young people are

973
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: gonna listen to you. If you're a hockey player, you're

974
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: a baseball player, but definitely in the city of Buffalo,

975
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: if you are a Buffalo Bills player, you're gonna get

976
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: an audience. Anywhere you go, people are gonna want to

977
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: talk to you. They're gonna love to talk to you.

978
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,479
Speaker 1: And so I think that that can help motivate young

979
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: people to make different decisions that they make in their lives.

980
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: School can seem hard, it can seem irrelevant, you know,

981
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: it can seem like it's a something you're being put through,

982
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: and if you can help people to understand it. The

983
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: only reason why I'm in the position that I'm in

984
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: is because I finished grammar school, I finished high school,

985
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: I got into a college, I got people to see

986
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: me playing football and blah blah. Here I am so

987
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: that everybody's got to go down that path to get

988
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: to where they've go going to be as an adult,

989
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: and I think every NFL player can do that, especially

990
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: the ones we have here in Buffalo. Jimmy, you have

991
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: an interesting background. Your parents came from across the country,

992
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: one from Peru, one from the Dominican Republic, and moved

993
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: to New York City while they were young adults. Moving

994
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: to America as a young adult, regardless of where you

995
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: come from, it's it's tough to earn a living, to

996
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: make a name, and to set up your family for

997
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: success generations down the road. And you told me that

998
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: you guys moved into the suburb at some point, moving

999
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: out of New York City, which I'm sure you have

1000
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: experiences yourself that are similar to experiences that some in

1001
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: the black community have of being profiled and treated unfairly.

1002
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: And we're all having conversations right now. I think both

1003
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: of you, i could say, are doing your part to

1004
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: health play a role right now in fighting racial injustice

1005
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: as well as previously to the conversation and the last month.

1006
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 1: So with your background, Jimmy, what have you been doing,

1007
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: whether it's having conversations or talking your players to help

1008
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: educate them or provide a space where people can talk

1009
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: with each other. Yeah, we we we we opened the

1010
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: lines of communication because it starts there, you know, when

1011
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: we talked about listening and letting our players know also

1012
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: that we're there for him, you know, because that's the

1013
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: most important thing they want to know, you know, before

1014
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: they care about what you know, they want to know

1015
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: that you care about them. And this was a tough

1016
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: time that you know, has just come up. And when

1017
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 1: we were in meetings, there was a day where there

1018
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: was no football. No one cared about over three or

1019
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: what blitz we were running coming up against in the

1020
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: opener against the Jets. It was there was guys that

1021
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: were hurting and rightfully so, and what could we do

1022
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: to change? How could we come together not only as

1023
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: a unit, but maybe as a defense and as a team,

1024
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: as an organization with the Buffalo Bills. What could we

1025
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: do to affect our community, to help in any way

1026
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: and make the situation better? What am I gonna do?

1027
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: Not not as look at it as hey, things are

1028
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: like this right now, and I'm gonna get mad or

1029
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: get bitter, But what can we do to make the

1030
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: situation better? What can we do to help? And that's

1031
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: the the things that we talked about with our players.

1032
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: You know. I also had to have talks with my kids,

1033
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, and so that they understand what's going on,

1034
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, we team coming up. You know, I had

1035
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: talked to them earlier about you know, I was going

1036
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: to be on this call, and I'm making sure that

1037
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: they understand, right because that's some of that stuff's not

1038
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: being taught in our schools, you know. And we need

1039
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: to educate, right because though I said, I know, I

1040
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: said earlier, listen, learn and love. We gotta listen, We

1041
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: gotta learn. We gotta learn from our history. And what

1042
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: are we gonna do change it? Right? And I really

1043
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: do believe it starts with the heart and that's how

1044
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: it will happen. Is but we have to educate as well. So, Nathan,

1045
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: I want to speak to black history because you are

1046
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: a professor world history, you have been a professor in

1047
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: black history, and with Juneteenth coming up and us talking

1048
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: about what Juneteenth means and the fact that a lot

1049
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: of people don't know the background of Juneteenth and when

1050
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: slavery truly ended in the United States, if it ever did.

1051
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: In some ways, how can being educated on black history

1052
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: from a young age change the perception that we as

1053
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: Americans have on the injustices in our world. Because I

1054
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: think that's so important, is to be educated from from

1055
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: kindergarten our first grade on black history. It's interesting that

1056
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: a lot of classrooms don't have that type of education

1057
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: in their curriculum. Still, it's important that people understand words.

1058
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: If you were a Jewish person and you were placed

1059
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: into a gulag during the Hitler era of the United

1060
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: States of Germany, you wouldn't call the descendants of those

1061
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: Jews gulag, you know, prisoners. They would be Jewish people

1062
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: who have been captured by these German Nazis. In the

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Speaker 1: same sense, when we refer to African people as slaves slave.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like we are saying that's the definition of

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Speaker 1: who they were, but that's not. African people have been

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Speaker 1: on the earth since the earth began. They were arguably

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Speaker 1: the original people of the earth and have been the

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Speaker 1: same people all the way through today. So we need

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00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: to understand this history that it's not what we're African

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Speaker 1: people enslaved and then after slavery, it's what are African

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Speaker 1: people period. African people are Ashante, their ghula, their fauna,

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Speaker 1: their tua and devel shona, their cirku, you their massign.

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Speaker 1: African people have a history that goes back to the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the world, and so we have to teach that.

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Speaker 1: If you understood that, you would know that virtually all

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Speaker 1: of the Roman foundation, the Greek foundation, the Assyrian foundation,

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Speaker 1: exprain out of the Ethiopian and the Sumerian foundation. You

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Speaker 1: would understand that those were African civilizations. When you begin

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Speaker 1: to understand people in terms of their complexity and what

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Speaker 1: they have been in the course of the development of civilization,

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Speaker 1: it changes your conception of people. They're not children of victims,

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Speaker 1: They're actually a children of people who were the literal

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Speaker 1: rulers of the world for a very long period of time.

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Speaker 1: And so it's not about ego tripping on what you

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Speaker 1: used to be. It's about understanding who you really are.

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Speaker 1: And by understanding who you really are, you understand what

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Speaker 1: your potential is. And if you understand your potential, you

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01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: don't look at other people and what they're doing with

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Speaker 1: their potential. You start looking at yourself and what you

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01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: can do with your own potential, and other people look

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Speaker 1: at you and see what you're doing with your own potential.

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Speaker 1: And so I've taken back to you know, the conversation

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Speaker 1: you're having with regard to the Buffalo Bills and the athletes.

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01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: They have the ability to show people that the kind

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Speaker 1: of work that you have to put in to transform

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Speaker 1: yourself into somebody who can play a sport at the

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Speaker 1: level that these men and women play these sports, that's

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Speaker 1: what you have to get out of yourself. No matter

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Speaker 1: what your role, your future role in life is going

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01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: to be, you got to put that kind of energy,

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Speaker 1: that kind of effort into yourself. And so we have

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01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: to teach history in a way that helps people to

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Speaker 1: feel empowered. You know, if you if your older brother

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Speaker 1: was a quarterback, and he was great, and you played

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Speaker 1: ball with him, you know, in the back yard and

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01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: so on, you probably think that you're a very quarterback

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Speaker 1: to that. When you think of Eli Manning and Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that Eli Manning he got his courage

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01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: and his belief in himself because the kitty was playing

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Speaker 1: ball with all the time was his older brother was

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01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: one of the greatest quarterbacks that ever lived. And he

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Speaker 1: had that role modeling that he could weigh himself. He

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01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: could he had expectations based on his understanding of the

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Speaker 1: history of his brother. That's what happens when you teach

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Speaker 1: people their history correctly. People developed that kind of understanding

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Speaker 1: about themselves and it gives them the power to push

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Speaker 1: themselves forward in their lives. I think a lot of

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01:02:55,600 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: city are crying out for police reformed. Cities want change.

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01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: Cities want to know that everybody is safe in that

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Speaker 1: city to go about and to walk the streets and

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01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: the sidewalks, and to drive in a car and not

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01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: have fear of being pulled over and your life being

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Speaker 1: ended at that moment for not doing something that is

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Speaker 1: worthy of your life ending. Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown has

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Speaker 1: announced a lot of police reforms in the last few weeks,

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Speaker 1: and he has said this is just the beginning of

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01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: many we're gonna We're gonna work to make this community

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Speaker 1: a better community. We're going to work to make police

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Speaker 1: enforcements seem less of enforcers and more of partners in

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Speaker 1: our community. So a question for both of you, why

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Speaker 1: do you think Buffalo can be a model for the

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Speaker 1: world right now? Great, Jimmy, Well, this community is since

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01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: I've been here now going on year four, it's very knit,

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Speaker 1: caring from what I've seen everywhere through well I live

1135
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: in or your part but I've been around the city

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01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: and have been around all the different places with my

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01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: kids and sports, so there's there's that sense of togetherness.

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01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: It's a tough town, tough minded people, and where we

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01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: can come together. And I really believe that where not

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01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: only the Buffalo Bills, but all of us coming together,

1141
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: whether we're downtown together, wherever we decide to do this,

1142
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: that we bring all these people together and everyone understand

1143
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: that where we need to go and with the proper

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01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: education like we're doing, with the proper people leading us,

1145
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,439
Speaker 1: whether it's in our organization, whether it's downtown or Mayor's office,

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01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: which he's taken steps already, like you said, with our

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01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: police and all of us coming together and and and

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01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: having programs where we and as we know with the bills,

1149
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of times where we have our players

1150
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: go out with some of the policemen and tours with them.

1151
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,479
Speaker 1: We do stuff with the Buffalo Fireman. So I think

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01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: a lot of work that goes on in the community

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01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: with Buffalo habitat building houses. I know we've had a

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01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: chance to be a part of that, and doing cleanups downtown.

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Speaker 1: Those are the things that I've seen where when I've

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01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: been to those events, you see the melting pot, the

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01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: different types of people that have come together for a

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01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: greater cause. And right now, you can't there's nothing bigger

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Speaker 1: in our country right now that's going on besides the

1160
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: pandemic obviously, but we have to come together, and I

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01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: see that this town is able to do that. I

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01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: really believe that, and I'm really looking forward to be

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Speaker 1: a part of it and to help in any way

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Speaker 1: that I can, and our organization here in Buffalo and

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Speaker 1: just to build on that. You know, what we really

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01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: need to do is to change the definition that we've

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01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: allowed to emerge as to what the police departments are

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01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: supposed to be for. Police are not an extension of

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01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: the military. They're not like the fifth branch of the military.

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01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,919
Speaker 1: The police are public safety officers. Their public service. Their

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01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: job is to keep the peace. They get cats out

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Speaker 1: of trees. They help somebody get back into their house

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01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: when they locked themselves out, to get into their car

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Speaker 1: when they locked themselves out of their car. Somebody's drunk

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Speaker 1: as a skunk. You get that person home, you know,

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01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:30,959
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to put him in jail

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Speaker 1: because they got drunk. You know, you walk that person home.

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Speaker 1: You develop a relationship between the people in your communities. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. I grew up in the

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Speaker 1: Perry Projects in Buffalo, which is possibly the poorest place

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Speaker 1: in the entire city of Buffalo. It's right next to

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Speaker 1: the Valley Community, which is, you know, amongst the poorest

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Speaker 1: places of Caucasian people in the city of Buffalo. And

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01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: we fought a lot, you know, with each other. But

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01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: here was a police officer who last name was mc namer,

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01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: only called him Matt, and I was seven years old.

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01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: This is I won't go back how far that was.

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Speaker 1: You don't know my age, but I was seven years old.

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01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: I tried to take a bus. I didn't know how

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01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: to take a bus, and I wanted up missing my

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01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: stop and I ended up maybe two miles away from

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Speaker 1: where I should have gotten off the bus. So I

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01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: get off the bus. I'm standing around the street trying

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01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: to figure out where to go. How do I get home?

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01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: And Matt comes buying a police car and he asked

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Speaker 1: me what was wrong, and I told him. I said

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Speaker 1: I'm lost. I got off the bus and I'm nowhere

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Speaker 1: near the pay of projects. He says, you learn in

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Speaker 1: the ferry projects. I said yes. He says, come on,

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Speaker 1: I take you home. So I went to get into

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Speaker 1: the back seat of his police car. He said, you

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Speaker 1: don't to get up there. You get hard to be

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Speaker 1: in the front. But I got him in the front.

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01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: I got to handle his radio. You know. We just

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01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: had a good time, you know, until he got me

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Speaker 1: back home, luckily, and mother was looking out of the

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Speaker 1: window and she saw me, and he waves to her.

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Speaker 1: She waves to him. They became friends, you know, so

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Speaker 1: and right, even though we were in communities that tended

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01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: to be a strange from each other. What I learned

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Speaker 1: from missing experience in at least in Buffalo. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what it is in other cities, But in Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: if you if you found yourself where your tire blue

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01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: out on your car and you're in a different neighborhood

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01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: than that is your neighborhood, people will come from you know,

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01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: around the block and they'll help you fix your your

1217
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: your tire. You know, they'll they'll go find you resources.

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01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: If they can't fix your tire, they'll find somebody to

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01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: get you where you need to go and come back

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Speaker 1: to get your car, and so on. Buffalo is a

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01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: very friendly place, even though it's parochial. In other words,

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01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: you have mostly Irish over here, mostly Hispanics over here,

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01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: mostly African people over here, and so on. But despite

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01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: that parochialism, people tend to be able to work with

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Speaker 1: each other. They tend to to like each other, and

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Speaker 1: so on. And so I see us reorienting our police

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Speaker 1: department so that they see themselves as public safety administrations.

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Speaker 1: And then you pull together other assets that people need.

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01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 1: So somebody's having problems with their wife or their husband,

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01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,799
Speaker 1: you need somebody that can do whatever kind of counseling

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01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: that person needs to get to that house. A police

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01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: officer can then say to the administration, there's a house

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01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,919
Speaker 1: over here that has somebody has this set of problems.

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01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: We need to get somebody over there to talk to

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Speaker 1: those people so that it doesn't turn into a criminal situation.

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Speaker 1: It's that kind of modeling that needs to be or restructuring.

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01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: It needs to be done so that we return to

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01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: the mission of creating quality life in our communities that

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01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: are peaceful lives, but that do not involve the police

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01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: becoming like an occupying military force over communities. I want

1241
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: to leave this question. I want to keep us for

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01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: too long because we've had a great conversation about this

1243
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: topic already. But what is your challenge to people in

1244
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: this world right now? What would each of you like

1245
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: to see us do? How can I help? How can

1246
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: my friend help? How can the people on Twitter help?

1247
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: Right now? What's your challenge to us as a community

1248
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: to come together to listen and to fighting and this

1249
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: thing once and for all. Well, Jimmy, I'm gonna let

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01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: your talk. Wow. Well, that's a great question, you know,

1251
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: I think, and I know I've said this before. We

1252
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: talked about listening, right, be quick to listen, slow to speak,

1253
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: right quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to become angry.

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01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: I think, all in all, we're all learning from each other.

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01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: And these last couple of weeks have been for me alone.

1256
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: I've been on online and reading and learning things and

1257
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: stuff that has happened that, you know. I hope that

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01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: everyone else is doing it so that we can educate ourselves,

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01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: because that's where it all starts, and we got to communicate.

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Speaker 1: There's going to be some uncomfortable conversations. They're just it's

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01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: just part of it. And in one of the examples,

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01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you guys have watched it, but

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01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Acho and I'm going to work for Fox, but

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01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: he said he started the uncomfortable, you know, Conversations with

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Speaker 1: a Black Man, and he's had two episodes to believe

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01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: the third episodes gone tonight, and just to sit there

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Speaker 1: and listen to that, you know, And I think, you know,

1268
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: we all need to educate ourselves, and we need to

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01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: be able to have those tough conversations, you know. And

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01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: I think the more we do that and to not

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01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: feel uncomfable, you might feel uncomfortable. Let's I'm being realistic,

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Speaker 1: you we're going to feel uncomfortable, But that's part of it.

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01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,799
Speaker 1: You gotta be comfortable being uncle. We tell our players

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01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: that all the time. By getting ready, you got to

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Speaker 1: learn how to be on. Everything's not going to be roses,

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01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 1: you know, and all good and dandy. So I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, when I go back to being quick to

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01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: listen and slow to speak, you know, keep learning, keep

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01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: sharing with one another, be there. You know, you might

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01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: have and you might have a sense that someone's not

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01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: doing well, and maybe reach out to that person. How

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01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: can I help from my end, from my point of view,

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01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,799
Speaker 1: or you might see me down and maybe ask that person,

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01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: you know, what, what's going on? Is there something wrong?

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Speaker 1: Can we what can we do to communicate and to

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01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: be on the same page. And don't be afraid to

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01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: open up your heart because it's going to come down

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01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: to that, and that's how we're going to change our society.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be in the heart, right. I really

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Speaker 1: believe that. So so I would just kind of add

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Speaker 1: on to that. Racism is something that exists in the

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Speaker 1: internal spirit of people. I don't think you can train

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Speaker 1: people out of racism. I think it's it's an act

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Speaker 1: of your will. You have to make a decision that

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Speaker 1: you're not going to function that way. Part of this

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Speaker 1: is racism tends to happen to people of color, but

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Speaker 1: it doesn't happen with people of color being racioust towards

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Speaker 1: people who are not of color, if that makes sense

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Speaker 1: the way I said that. So, because racism happens if

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Speaker 1: you're a Caucasian person, racism is something that happens to

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Speaker 1: somebody else. It doesn't happen to you. It's easier for

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01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: you not to react to it, not to say you

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01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: co sign it, just that you don't react to it

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01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 1: because it's not happening to you. If they're beating somebody

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01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: up over there on the other side of the city

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01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 1: and I'm on my side of the city, I don't

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01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: feel it. I'm not getting out of my bed andy

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01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 1: and getting into a fight with somebody over there. So

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01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: that's how racism works. We have to admit to ourselves

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01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: that this is something that exists. And it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: whether you did it. It doesn't matter whether you called

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Speaker 1: somebody the N word. It doesn't matter whether you enslave

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01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: somebody or your grandparents enslave somebody. That's not what's important.

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01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: What's important is you have to challenge yourself not to

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Speaker 1: allow yourself to operate out of a script that judges

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Speaker 1: people based on the color of their skin. You have

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Speaker 1: to judge people, as margaelt the King said, by the

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Speaker 1: content of their character. And you want to do that

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Speaker 1: both ways. I want to spend us the opposite ways.

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Speaker 1: And if I could say it this way, right, if

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Speaker 1: you're a person that's walking around with an apple jack,

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01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, had on and you got ninety five tattoos,

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01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: no disrespect for all you're going to have tattoos, but

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Speaker 1: ninety five tattoos and you got big rings and gold

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01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: chains on and so on, that's a decision that you

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Speaker 1: are making. You mark yourself in terms of how people

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Speaker 1: perceive you by the decision that you are making yourself.

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Speaker 1: You have to own that decision. So if people are

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01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: looking at you funny because they think you look funny,

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01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: we'll look at yourself and ask yourself to I look funny,

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01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, looking like how I'm looking. And then if

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Speaker 1: you if you don't care, they keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: But if you care, don't blame somebody else for looking

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01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 1: at you as if you're some kind of gang banger.

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01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: If you make yourself look like a gang bangers. It's

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Speaker 1: that kind of two way street that we have to

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Speaker 1: deal with. But it's when I say it's a two

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01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,719
Speaker 1: way street, it's not the same level of two way street.

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01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: You know, a person who walks around looking like they're

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01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: a tough guy, they got some kind of gangster you know,

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01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: kind of m o that they're operating from, but they're

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01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: not doing anything to anybody. That's a different kind of

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01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: affect towards you than somebody who looks at you and says,

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01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: that's a black person. I'm going to do something to

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01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: limit that person life. I'm going to do something to

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01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: harm that person, something to injure that person. Those are

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01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 1: two different realities. The problem here is that all the

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Speaker 1: institutions of the United States are populated, often by people

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01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: that have extraordinarily racist views that are in their hearts.

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01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: They don't say it out loud, but it's in their heart,

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Speaker 1: and when they exercise the authority of the administrations that

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01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:26,759
Speaker 1: they populate, they exercise that authority in a racist way.

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Speaker 1: If you're if you as a black person, are not

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01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: in those positions of authority in those institutions. You can't

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01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 1: do that to somebody else, And in fact, you rarely, ever,

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Speaker 1: if ever find an instance where an African person who's

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01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: in a position of authority and an administration uses that

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01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: authority to marginalize the lives of any white people. You

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01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: never hear that occurring, but you hear that occurring with

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01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: white people doing that to black people and to brown people.

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01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 1: So we have to be honest about that. But I

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01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: want to take the honesty just one more step in

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01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: my belief, regardless of how other people treat you and

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01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: feel about you, their orientation towards you, you gotta find

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01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: a way to get out of the wilderness yourself. You

1366
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 1: gotta climb over the mountain yourself. You have to collect

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01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: with other people that they won't come with you. You You

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01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: got to stand by yourself, and you gotta make a

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01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: way out of no way. I don't think there's any

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Speaker 1: other permanent answer that works all the time for people

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Speaker 1: of color. That was Maddie glad and her roundtable interview

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Speaker 1: with Heat with Jimmy Salgado and Nathan Hair. Nathan Hair,

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01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: the professor of world history from a diet College. Maddie,

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01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: it was a couple of days ago that you did that,

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01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: just before we go to break. Just what do you

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01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: remember about it? What were your impressions as that happened?

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01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: Because there was so much in that interview, it was

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01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 1: an extended interview. Thanks for letting us use it. What

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01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: stuck with you about it? Two great people with a

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01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: lot to say, a lot of insightful things to say.

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01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: I think what I took from it most is we

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01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: just have to love one another at the end of

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01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: the day and be under being understanding of our backgrounds, right, Okay,

1384
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: but I agree there was so much in there, and

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01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: it's really interesting to watch. If you want to get

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01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: and if you want to listen to it, any part

1387
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: of it or in its entirety, you can go to

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01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: Buffalo bills dot com, the Bill's app, Spotify, Google Play,

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01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: and Apple podcast as well. Steve Tasker Maatic Lab Here

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01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:27,919
Speaker 1: till three o'clock. At two o'clock, Anthony Smith, the producer

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01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 1: director of Fritz Pollard, A Forgotten Man of documentary coming

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01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: out on NFL Network, premiering this week, and that's coming

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01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 1: up at the top of the hour one of Bill's Live,

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01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: presented by Kalid to Health. We're gonna take a break

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01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 1: because this is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back at one

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Speaker 1: of those lives, Keith Taskermati Glab here till three o'clock

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01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 1: where you just had a roundtable with Maddie Glab, Jimmy

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01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: Salgado and Nathan Hare was about the background with the

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01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: Juneteenth Holiday of the world that is today that and

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01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 1: the rest of our crew is all off for the

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01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: eggs and Mattie and I and our erstwhile producer Jay

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01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: Harris in for you today. We're here till three o'clock.

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01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 1: We ask you for Early in the show, we asked

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01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: some of our listeners to you know, mail bag us

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01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: some questions. We did a cup one or two of

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01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 1: them earlier. Now we're gonna do another one. Uh. This

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01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: came in from Jack and he asked this question, will

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01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: the Bills keep two kickers and a punter and a

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01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: punter who has a leg up in the and who

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01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,759
Speaker 1: has a leg up in the punting competition or what's

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01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 1: the kicking game gonna look like for the Buffalo Bills?

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01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: Kari Vedvik, Corey b Orchz, Stephen Houskeet Tyler Bass. Uh.

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01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: There's a combination of skill sets in those four guys

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01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: that goes between punting and kicking. Kara Vedvik is supposed

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01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: to be able to punt and also a big leg

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01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: for kickoffs. H Tyler Bass has a big leg as

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01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: a field goal kicker. Stephen Housket is a money veteran

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01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: that you can count on and make big kicks, but

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01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: he's long in the tooth, his kickoffs aren't very deep,

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01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 1: and you wonder about him kicking an over fifty yard

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01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: field goal. And Corey by Orchis who is a veteran

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01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: punter who's been with the Bills for a couple of

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01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,799
Speaker 1: years now, Maddie, what are your thoughts about it? Obviously

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01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: there's a combination of skill sets that may have to

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01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: mesh together for more than two of these guys to

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01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: make it right. Yeah. I mean usually you're on your roster,

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01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 1: you keep a kicker and a punter and not much

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01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 1: more than that. I mean sometimes you keep an extra

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01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: person who can, you know, be a little bit more

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01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: of a specialist in different areas, whether it's long kicks

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01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: or kickoffs, things like that. But I think this will

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01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: be a very intriguing competition in training camp. And I

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01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: know special teams, specialists people kind of you know, whatever,

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01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, it does matter. Special teams is such

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01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: a big part of the game and what Tyler Bass

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01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 1: can bring to the table as it relates to his

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01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: long leg and what he can do. I can't wait

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01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: to see that in person. Corey Vedvik is somebody who

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01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: can kick and punt, so I'm not sure what they'll do.

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01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: And then I also think about, Okay, well, if there's

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01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna be bigger practice squad rosters, then maybe they do

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01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: keep an extra guy in the practice squad because of

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01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. That would be a very nice luxury to

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01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: have an extra person and not have to kick two

1445
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: guys to the curve. Maybe just one. Yeah, it's it's

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01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,919
Speaker 1: a luxury to have a kickoff guy. It's a luxury.

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01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 1: But like everything else, it's not for nothing. Even if

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01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 1: you're a kicker, even if you're a punter. The more

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01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: you can do, the more valuable you are, and the

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01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: more you can do at a high level, the more

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01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 1: valuable you are. If you can kickoff and punt, that's

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01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: a plus for your team. If you can get your

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01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: touchbacks from seventy percent to eighty five or ninety percent,

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01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: that's a ton of kickoffs that your kickoff team doesn't

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01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: have to cover that you're not going to give up

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01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 1: a big return, So all of that stuff goes into

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Speaker 1: the mix. When they're talking about this carri vedvek is.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a long he's a punter, but how

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Speaker 1: good a punter is he, and how good a kickoff

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01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: guy is he? How what's he gonna have to do

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01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: to unseat Corey by Orkes. Certainly he's got a leg

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01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 1: up on by Orkes because more or kids can't kick,

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Speaker 1: I don't think, and that puts him at an advantage.

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01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: And on the other side of it, I think when

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Speaker 1: you're coming down talking about field goals, you got a guy,

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Speaker 1: you gotta have a guy that can put it through. Certainly,

1467
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 1: fifty yarders, even from the best kickers in the league

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01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: have always been a coin flip. Even you know, statistically too,

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01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: it's like a fifty fifty shot when you get above

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Speaker 1: fifty yards, And so if you're if you can't hit

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Speaker 1: a fifty yard or that's a problem. But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think Stephen House can hit inside of fifty five

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01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: for sure. Certainly not too many teams are going to

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01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: try a fifty seven yard or anyway. So it's an

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01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 1: interesting question. It's one of those things that you're gonna

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01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: have to find out once training camp starts, and for me,

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Speaker 1: not for nothing. I don't think I could pick out

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Speaker 1: Tyler Bass and Cory Vedvik out of a lineup. I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what they looked like. So I want

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01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 1: to see him, right, I want I want to look

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01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,919
Speaker 1: at him. I want to watch him kick before I even,

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01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, have an opinion on this, right, I mean,

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01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 1: I know what Stephen Hausk is, I know him, I

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01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: know Corey Bear Orkez. I want to know what these

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01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: guys look like before I start calling him in or

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01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:36,719
Speaker 1: out right. Yeah, Tyler Bass has been all over social

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Speaker 1: media with some of the long kicks that he's had

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01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: in the off season, just practicing. But Corey Vedvik, he

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01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: came to the team very it was after the season

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01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 1: and so we haven't seen anything from Corey Vedvik yet.

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Speaker 1: So I will be paying attention to that competition during

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Speaker 1: training camp. I'm definitely gonna take some time to go

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Speaker 1: check that out, right, Yeah, Steve Tasker, Manny Glad, we're

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01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: here till three o'clock. This just end. It came into

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01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 1: over over the last day or two, and it's not

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01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 1: that big a deal to Bill's fans, except that we've

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01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 1: already had a question today about the extensions of Brandon

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01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: Bean and Sean McDermott. They're in the coming into the

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Speaker 1: third year. They're coming into the fourth year of a

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Speaker 1: five year deal. They got two years left. Kyle Shanahan

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01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 1: got extended for five years out till twenty like twenty

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Speaker 1: five if I read that right, And that's you know,

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01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: so I don't know what the numbers are, but certainly

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01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 1: that says something that you take your team to the

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01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 1: super Bowl in your second year, a third year as

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01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 1: head coach, and that's a big deal. Kyle Shanahan certainly

1507
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,719
Speaker 1: deserves and you would think, yeah, there's no question he

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01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: is kind of now. Certainly he's done more in a

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01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: short time than even Sean McDermott has done. Although I

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01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 1: don't know how deep the Niners were. I thought it

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01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 1: was a pretty good roster when Kyle Shanahan took over.

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01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 1: It was not so when when Sean McDermott took over.

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01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 1: He built it from scratch. He and Brandon Bean. So

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01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 1: still both those guys have on a lot in the

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01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: last handful of years, and I think both of no question,

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01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan got his extension, and you and I both

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01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: called I think no question is gonna come for Sean McDermott.

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01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 1: Although this is it says something that Shanahan got extended

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01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 1: in this kind of offseason, because I'm thinking, man, if

1520
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:17,799
Speaker 1: I'm the owner of any sports league, I'm like pulling

1521
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: the brakes on everything. We're not doing anything until this

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01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: thing comes right, am I right? Right? I think I

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01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 1: am all right. Let's take a break. Steve Tasker Maddie

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01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: Glab coming up at the top of the hour. We've

1525
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: got Anthony Smith, the producer director of Fritz Poller to

1526
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: Forgotten Man, that's coming up at the top of the hour.

1527
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 1: Interview with him, Steve Tasker Maddie Glab, presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio and this is one Bill's Live.

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01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: Welcome back in one of Bill's Live Steve Tasker, Madie Lab.

1530
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: Here till three o'clock. We've had a couple of long interviews,

1531
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 1: extended interviews Kim Pagoula, and also a round table a

1532
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 1: discussion as well that you can go back and look

1533
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 1: up on the podcast end of it at Buffalo bills

1534
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: dot Com. Bill's app spotify a lot of stuff going

1535
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: on today for the Juneteenth holiday. This just came down

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01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 1: this week that ESPN put out an all decade team

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01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 1: for each each division, and as you might imagine, the

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Speaker 1: AFC East drew our attention and Mattie, when you read that,

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01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: how many like what kind of guys did? What came

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01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: to your mind when you were on the old decade

1541
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: team for this team? How many Buffalo Bills would you

1542
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 1: think would make it? If there were like what twenty

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01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: two guys on the squad? I mean, I figured Kyle

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01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: Williams would be on it. I was a little shocked

1545
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 1: to see Lashawn McCoy on it, but I figured guys

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01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 1: like Julian Edelman, drunk, Tom Brady would be on it.

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01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: Richie Incognito is also on it. Harvis Landry, Stefan Gilmore.

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01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 1: Interesting too that some of these guys played for more

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01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,560
Speaker 1: than one team in the division, like Mario Williams was

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01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 1: on it, and he was a Bill for most of it.

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01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 1: He was for most of his time in the AFC

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01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: East two thousand and twelve to twenty and fifteen, and

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01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: then sixteen he was with the Dolphins. Uh Stefan Gilmore.

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01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 1: Of course, four years with the Bills and uh, now

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01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: going on four years with the Patriots. Um. So there

1556
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 1: were some guys and then Kyle Williams of course, Mario

1557
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 1: and then uh, Richie Incognito as you said. And the

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01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: one that surprised me was leshawn Um four years. Um,

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01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think he you know, you think, well

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01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 1: what running backs wasn't there wasn't there another running back

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01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 1: there was and there you know there wasn't. He probably

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01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: was as good a running back as there wasn't the

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01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 1: in the in the division at that point, right. Yeah, yeah,

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01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 1: so that's I can see it. Of course, you know,

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01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 1: wide receivers were Jarvis Landry, Julian Edelman, Um, Brandon Marshall

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Speaker 1: of the Dolphins. Yeah, he was with that. He had

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01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: four years in the division with the Dolphins and the Jets. Um,

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01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: you know, the Bills had Richie Incognito who was ten

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Speaker 1: through twenty ten through two thousand and thirteen with Miami

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01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: and then uh two thousand and nine and then fifteen

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01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,799
Speaker 1: through seventeen with the Bills. So yeah, it's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: Scattered of course with players from you know, all four teams, Dick,

1573
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: Brick Andshaw, Ferguson is the offensive tackle for the Jets.

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01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: Nick Mangold is from the Jets. A couple of offensive linemen,

1575
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: David Harris a linebacker from the Jets, Derell Reeves as

1576
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: you can imagine, although he was with the Jets and

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01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 1: with the Patriots as well. So there's a number of

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01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: guys from every team. Dolphins are scattered throughout that as well.

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Speaker 1: It's it's pretty fun to think about. Ten years is

1580
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,719
Speaker 1: a long time in the NFL, A long time, particularly

1581
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 1: now with free agency, you don't see guys kind of

1582
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was a was a unicorn, you know, so

1583
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 1: because he was around for so long. Even Samy Gronkowski

1584
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: was probably pretty much like that too, because a guy

1585
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: like that, it's amazing the guy who was that prolific

1586
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,719
Speaker 1: didn't sign a contract free agent contract with another club.

1587
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: Now thinking I'm thinking, what's what's this all decade team

1588
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 1: gonna look like once we hit twenty thirty. Is Josh

1589
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 1: Allen going to be on it? Trey Wiking to be

1590
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: on it? Yeah, that's good question. Tremaine Edmonds maybe yeah,

1591
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 1: you know, at Oliver, Devin Stingle, Parry, maybe there could

1592
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 1: be there could be a handful of guys and that

1593
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 1: we don't even haven't even met yet. Yes, right, so

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01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 1: it's a long time so all right, a lot of

1595
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 1: fun stuff going on around about the AFC. He's waiting

1596
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 1: for the season to begin. Steve Tasker, Maddie Glad, We're

1597
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 1: gonna come back with Anthony Smith, the producer director of

1598
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 1: Fritz Pollard, A Man Forgotten. This is one of Bill's Live,

1599
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: presented by collid to Health, and this is one Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills Radio. Welcome back to one of Bill's Live Steve

1601
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: Tasker along with Maddy Glab, we were here on this

1602
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 1: Juneteenth holiday till three o'clock. We've had a lot of

1603
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: great interviews. If you want to catch those, you can

1604
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 1: go to the podcast, to Buffalo Bills dot com or

1605
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: the Bills app. We're pleased to be joining on the

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01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: line right now an NFL Network senior producer director. He's

1607
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:01,600
Speaker 1: put together the NFL three sixty documentary Fritz Pollard The

1608
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 1: Forgotten Man. Anthony Smith on the line with us, Anthony,

1609
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Matty Glab up here in Buffalo. Thanks so

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01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: much for joining us, Well, thank you for having me.

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01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 1: We have one question we have to ask you we

1612
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: ask every guest we have on how's the pandemic treating you?

1613
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: How's your family? Are you safe? And well we are safe. Well, well,

1614
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 1: I have a fourteen year old an eleven year old,

1615
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: so they are they're getting a little bit restless right now,

1616
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 1: but we're doing okay. But as well as everybody else,

1617
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 1: I would imaged, Oh wow, that's awesome. I know that

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01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 1: that those are. It's great when you have actual human

1619
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 1: beings in the house with you instead of newborns or

1620
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 1: something where you have to chase him around. There at

1621
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: least they're at independent. I'm sure your house is uh yeah, yeah,

1622
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: it's a lot like mine used to be. This Fritz

1623
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: Pollard documentary and I will admit I did not know

1624
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: who Fritz Pollard was. I looked it up and started

1625
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 1: reading about it. I'm glad he's in the Hall of Fame.

1626
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: But a forgotten man seems to typify it perfectly. And

1627
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: at this point in history, not only with the NFL,

1628
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 1: but with our country, what a perfect time to have

1629
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 1: this be released by NFL Network. Absolutely U And you

1630
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 1: know it's interesting. So last year with us celebrating the

1631
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 1: hundreds anniversary, we were doing a lot of stories celebrating

1632
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 1: NFL history. So once we got towards the end of

1633
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 1: our schedule, uh, we're as we're plotting things out, we

1634
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 1: knew that we wanted to have something for Black History

1635
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 1: Month in February, and we also knew that we wanted

1636
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 1: to tell a story from the very beginning of the

1637
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 1: NFL to to kind of cap the celebration. And as

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01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 1: we started doing our research for Pollard's name was the

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01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 1: name that immediately rose to the to the top, and

1640
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 1: and I'm glad we were able to tell the story

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01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,759
Speaker 1: and share it with with our fans. When you started

1642
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 1: digging into researching for this story and learning about Fritz

1643
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: Pollard in his background and the time that he played

1644
01:31:55,880 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 1: in and coached in, what was the most impressive or

1645
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: what stood out the most about the research that you did,

1646
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 1: or maybe some of the interviews that you did in

1647
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 1: the places that you went with Nate Burlison that you'll

1648
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: remember forever well. So so it's interesting. So I started

1649
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 1: working with the NFL with NFL Network in two thousand

1650
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 1: and five, which was the same year that he wasn't

1651
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 1: trying him to the Hall of Fame. And I had

1652
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 1: never heard about Fritz Pollard up until that point. And

1653
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 1: as I started reading articles and and doing research on

1654
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 1: him at the time, it was it was really dumbfounding

1655
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 1: what he was able to do at that particular time

1656
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:40,560
Speaker 1: in the nation's history. So, you know, the fact that

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01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 1: this guy was a head coach for Caucasian players at

1658
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: a time when Jim Crow was the law of the

1659
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:52,719
Speaker 1: South and and lynchings were happening, and the fact that

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01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 1: the players respected him enough to follow him, I thought,

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01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 1: spoke volumes of the kind of man that he was.

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01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: And then as I started doing more search, found out

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01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 1: that he went to Brown University, which is you know,

1664
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 1: Ivy League school, He started his own team after he

1665
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 1: left the NFL, he got into into motion pictures. So

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01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 1: he was really truly a renaissance man. And and again,

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01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, the more research that I did and the

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01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: more that people shared about about his story, just the

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01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 1: more impressed I was by the fact that he was

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01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 1: able to do this one hundred years ago. We're on

1671
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Speaker 1: the line with Anthony Smith, producer director of Fritz Pollard,

1672
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 1: A Forgotten Man, an NFL three sixty documentary that's going

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01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: to premiere Sunday at eight pm. However, there was a

1674
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 1: screening last night, Anthony, how was it received pretty well?

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01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: And just just a quick just to wanna give you

1676
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 1: a quick uh minor correction. So this actually premiered in February,

1677
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: so our re air is going to be this upcoming Sunday.

1678
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 1: So we actually premiered this, uh for Black History Month,

1679
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 1: and then we did a screening last night within WACP

1680
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 1: And there's gonna be a weir that that's happening later

1681
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 1: later this weekend. Awesome, I'm glad to hear that. And

1682
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: there's in an age we live in where everybody watches football,

1683
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 1: you got all the videos and highlights you could ever

1684
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 1: ask for. Nineteen twenty had to be hard to find

1685
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:24,640
Speaker 1: good film on Fritz Paullard right, absolutely absolutely, so that

1686
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 1: was definitely a challenge. But I will say that the

1687
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame, they're the very best of

1688
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 1: what they do, and they're able to share some footage

1689
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: of Fritz during his playing Dave in the NFL, And

1690
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:42,600
Speaker 1: we actually had a researcher from Brown University that was

1691
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 1: able to find old clips from Fritz that Brown, which

1692
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 1: also helped us out. So there wasn't a lot, but

1693
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 1: I think pretty much everything that existed we put into

1694
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 1: the film. When creating a story like this, you want

1695
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:01,480
Speaker 1: to be able to engage not just an older generation,

1696
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 1: but the youth and people who are just starting to

1697
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 1: watch football or and pretty much anybody who turns on

1698
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 1: the TV. You want to be able to connect with

1699
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,719
Speaker 1: them in some way. So, how are you able to

1700
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 1: kind of engage every single audience that may not necessarily

1701
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 1: be familiar with football in the early nineteen hundreds, Well,

1702
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 1: that's a that's a very good question. And early on

1703
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 1: we decided the team that we need to find a

1704
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 1: way to make this story relevant and to make the

1705
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 1: story accessible to a younger audience. And very quickly we

1706
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: decided we wanted to either get a current player or

1707
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:41,639
Speaker 1: former player to walk us through this journey. Nate Burlson

1708
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 1: was the name that the quickly rose to the to

1709
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:50,640
Speaker 1: the top. And Nate and just his his exuberance and

1710
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 1: his inquisitiveness and the fact that he is a familiar

1711
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 1: face to so many of our of our audience, I

1712
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 1: think that he was able to bridge the gap between

1713
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: young and old. And then obviously having familiar faces like

1714
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:08,639
Speaker 1: Cam Jordan, like Tony Dunge in the in the film,

1715
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 1: I think that that also helped Fritz Paular and Bobby

1716
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 1: Marshall were the first two African American players in the

1717
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 1: National Football League, and that was in nineteen twenty. Fritz

1718
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:19,559
Speaker 1: Pollard helped Akron win the championship in nineteen twenty then

1719
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 1: became the coach, and Walter Camp, the framous football pioneer,

1720
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 1: said this about Pollard. He says, one of the greatest

1721
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 1: runners his eyes had ever seen. What what's gonna stick with?

1722
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 1: What should? What do you want about this documentary about

1723
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 1: Fritz Pollard? What do you wish people could what? What

1724
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: do you want to stick with him? The people who

1725
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 1: see this, Well, I think there's two things. I think

1726
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 1: the first first thing would just be for people to

1727
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: to learn something new and to learn about this pioneer

1728
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: and learn about one of the very first superstars of

1729
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 1: the NFL the very few people know about. I think

1730
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:01,719
Speaker 1: that's the first thing. I think the second thing, especially

1731
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 1: in the times that we're living in now, where where

1732
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 1: there's so much unrest and we're we're looking to continue

1733
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 1: to try to solve this problem, then it's then the

1734
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 1: one of the largest problems of this country has had

1735
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:19,759
Speaker 1: since the beginning of the country and that's racial racial division.

1736
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 1: And I think that if we look back at Fritz's

1737
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,639
Speaker 1: life and we look back at what he was able

1738
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:28,360
Speaker 1: to do and what he was able to accomplish a

1739
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 1: hundred years ago, that if he could do that a

1740
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 1: hundred years ago, then a hundred years later we should

1741
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:38,679
Speaker 1: be able to work together and move forward and continue

1742
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 1: to make progress on racial equality and and the like.

1743
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,719
Speaker 1: So those are the two main things I hope people

1744
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: can can take away from the from the film. And

1745
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 1: I'll say, it looks like Jim Brown said, this is

1746
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 1: one of the greatest running backs um that that ever lived.

1747
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:58,639
Speaker 1: So it's it's just kind of sharing a new name

1748
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 1: and a new face for NFL than Fritz. Pollard paved

1749
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 1: the way for many black players and black head coaches,

1750
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 1: and the majority of the league is black, and now

1751
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 1: we're making ground on improving minority coaches and front office execs. Uh,

1752
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 1: what do you think needs to happen next for it

1753
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 1: not to look like a minority for a lot of

1754
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 1: the head coaching jobs, to not just be white coaches,

1755
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 1: but also be black coaches and reflect the way that

1756
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 1: our world looks as a whole. Well, I mean, I mean,

1757
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 1: look we've we've had the Rooney rule for a while

1758
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 1: and as you as you saw in the film, Aren't

1759
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 1: Rooney the second Uh spoke on on his grandfather's legacy

1760
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 1: and his father's legacy and the work that still needs

1761
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 1: to be done. I think, you know, look, it's just

1762
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 1: going to take a concerted effort um to from the

1763
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 1: from the league, um to to make that happen. I

1764
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 1: think that people want it to happen. I think people

1765
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:02,000
Speaker 1: realize that it needs to happen. I think people understand

1766
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: that that just from a competitive standpoint, it's gonna be

1767
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a better league and we have more

1768
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 1: people when we include more people into into into the game,

1769
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 1: and not just on the field, but office build in

1770
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 1: the front office and on the sidelines as well. So

1771
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:24,640
Speaker 1: I think that everybody is saying the right things, and

1772
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:26,760
Speaker 1: I think everybody wants to do the right thing. And

1773
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: now it's just about action and figuring out the best

1774
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 1: way to make that happen. But I do think that

1775
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 1: people are committed to making it happen. We just have

1776
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:35,679
Speaker 1: to we just have to put it into place. We're

1777
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 1: NFL Network Senior Producer director Anthony Smith on the NFL

1778
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 1: three sixty. Fritz Pollard The Forgotten Man, a documentary is

1779
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 1: going to air Sunday at eight pm. Uh there was

1780
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 1: an Alliance foundation founded in two thousand and three that

1781
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 1: is called the Fritz Pollard Alliance Foundation. Now Fritz Pollard

1782
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: passed away in nineteen eighty six, but in two thousand

1783
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 1: and three they formed a foundation with his name. Tell

1784
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 1: us about that foundation. It's what it exists for and

1785
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: what it has done, uh in its in its history. Yeah.

1786
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,720
Speaker 1: So the so the first parlor of Alliance, uh As

1787
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw in the in the in the

1788
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:16,719
Speaker 1: film with with Cyrus sharing the sharing the history of

1789
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 1: the first part of Alliance, and and you know the

1790
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:22,479
Speaker 1: energy that that he speaks with in the passion that

1791
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:26,840
Speaker 1: he speaks with about about the Alliance. Uh So, the

1792
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 1: Alliance in many ways came about because Johnny Cochrane and

1793
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 1: Cyrus saw that there were a lack of African American

1794
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 1: coaches in the league and they worked together to to

1795
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 1: to put uh to to put this alliance in place.

1796
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:49,800
Speaker 1: The champion diversity in the NFL, UM through education, UM

1797
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:54,759
Speaker 1: and providing the members the resources they need to succeed

1798
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 1: in the game. But really working on on improving about

1799
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,639
Speaker 1: improving upon what you just said, which is fun office,

1800
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 1: more African American, more, more minorities and funt office, and

1801
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:08,640
Speaker 1: more more coaches, UM. And and they've been very successful

1802
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 1: in getting the league to come to the table and

1803
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:17,200
Speaker 1: talk with them and to make strides. I read an

1804
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 1: article on NFL Network that you were in recently, and

1805
01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: one thing really stuck out to me. One of your mentors,

1806
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:28,759
Speaker 1: Brian Lockhart, used to say storytellers matter, and you said,

1807
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 1: let me add to that phrase, black storytellers matter. I

1808
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 1: think that's such an important part of the media and

1809
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 1: the jobs that were in and to create a story

1810
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 1: that that isn't one sided. Why is it important to

1811
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 1: have black storytellers? Whether it's NFL Network, whether it's a

1812
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:49,640
Speaker 1: news channel, whether it's a sports entity, why is it

1813
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:52,559
Speaker 1: important to have diversity and a place where you are

1814
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:56,680
Speaker 1: creating stories and information for the public to understand and

1815
01:41:56,720 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 1: to see and to use. Well, Look, I think I

1816
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:06,479
Speaker 1: think that obviously, UM, over the last four years, and

1817
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:09,720
Speaker 1: and I mean, and I would say this last month,

1818
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:11,479
Speaker 1: but in reality, it's been over the last four years

1819
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 1: with the Black Lives Matter movement and and people trying

1820
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:19,640
Speaker 1: to explain and trying to share with the with the

1821
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 1: nation at large, what that means, what black lives matter means, UM.

1822
01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, oftentimes, you know, I

1823
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 1: was talking with a group last week and we're talking

1824
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 1: about just what that means and the fact that doesn't

1825
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:35,719
Speaker 1: mean that all lives don't matter. The black lives matter too.

1826
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 1: But taking that one step further, you know, it's easy.

1827
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 1: It's easy sometimes for us, in our homes and in

1828
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 1: our jobs to to you know, say a lest we

1829
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 1: need to, we need to you know, stop stop killing

1830
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:53,920
Speaker 1: and stop killing gun armed people and we and that's

1831
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 1: wrong and you shouldn't do that. And I think that

1832
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:59,760
Speaker 1: that is quite frankly, that's easy to say, because I mean,

1833
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 1: it's it. You know, a child could understand that you

1834
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, you shouldn't. You shouldn't tell the way that

1835
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:09,559
Speaker 1: that that that's you know, that's gon on, that's it's

1836
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole.

1837
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 1: But but step with of that. UM. Not only the

1838
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 1: black lives matter, the black leaders matter, Black storytellers matter, UM,

1839
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 1: black teachers matter, UM. And And you know, to answer

1840
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:28,559
Speaker 1: your question, the reason why black storytellers matter, especially in

1841
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:33,160
Speaker 1: a league where roughly seventy percent of African Americans make

1842
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 1: up the players in the league. The reason that it

1843
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:41,479
Speaker 1: matters is because there are experiences that that are shared

1844
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 1: within a black community. That Black people will have an

1845
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:50,759
Speaker 1: insight into those communities and those shared experiences that others

1846
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 1: may not. And that's not to say that others can't

1847
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 1: tell the stories, but but having that insight, no matter

1848
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:01,839
Speaker 1: who you are the storyteller, you're your your life experience

1849
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,640
Speaker 1: is gonna inform how you tell a story and what

1850
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,639
Speaker 1: kind of stories that you tell. And I think that

1851
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:12,760
Speaker 1: there's just an added level and an added layer of

1852
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:17,679
Speaker 1: of insight that a Black storyteller would bring their story

1853
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:20,720
Speaker 1: about African Americans, or a female storyteller would bring their

1854
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 1: story about about a female athlete, or a Latino would

1855
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:31,479
Speaker 1: bring us a story about a Latino player or or

1856
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 1: event so um or look, a Buffalo storyteller might bring

1857
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:41,200
Speaker 1: their story about Buffalo. I think that you're just gonna

1858
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 1: have That's right, Anthony. You did this documentary about Fritz Pollard,

1859
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 1: the first African American head coach and National Football League

1860
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 1: and nineteen twenty one hundred years ago, and obviously perfect

1861
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:57,600
Speaker 1: records don't exist. But your extensive your research was extensive.

1862
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame helped you. There lots of anecdotal

1863
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:05,240
Speaker 1: evidence and stories. And did you really feel like you

1864
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:07,840
Speaker 1: got to know I got a glimpse of who Fritz

1865
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 1: Pollard really was. And and and if you did, what would

1866
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:16,559
Speaker 1: he say about the NFL today? Wow? So so that's

1867
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:19,160
Speaker 1: a that's a that's a very good question. First of all,

1868
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 1: you didn't mention the Hall of Fame. I do have

1869
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:22,120
Speaker 1: to give a shout out to Joe Horrigan at the

1870
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:23,760
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. I don't know if you're familiar with,

1871
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:26,600
Speaker 1: but Joe is. Oh, Joe is amazing. Joe. Joe was

1872
01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:29,840
Speaker 1: a good friend of the show. Oh yeah, Joe, Joe. Uh.

1873
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:33,439
Speaker 1: I've known Joe for about fifteen years now, and Joe,

1874
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:36,599
Speaker 1: Joe really helped help me out with this particular story.

1875
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:39,559
Speaker 1: But in regards to what Fritz would say say if

1876
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:42,479
Speaker 1: he if he watched the film and he looked at

1877
01:45:42,479 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 1: where we were um as a country today and as

1878
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:48,920
Speaker 1: an NFL today, I think Fritz would I think Fritz

1879
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 1: would be proud of the progress that we made to

1880
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 1: be that we've made. To be quite honest, look, I

1881
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:55,640
Speaker 1: do think that there are still challenges, and I do

1882
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 1: think that we still have have things that we want

1883
01:45:58,320 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 1: to achieve, and we have a little ways to go.

1884
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 1: But I think overall Critz would be happy with the

1885
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:06,639
Speaker 1: fact that that we have made progress. UM, that we've

1886
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 1: made progress as as a country, that we've made progress

1887
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 1: as a league. UM. I mentioned in my article, and

1888
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 1: this is something that I've said in in numerous town

1889
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 1: halls and in meetings the last couple of weeks. UM.

1890
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 1: I had a friend a couple of weeks ago when

1891
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 1: this all happened, and he was like, let's be honest,

1892
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 1: are we ever going to solve this? Is this ever

1893
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:30,439
Speaker 1: going to get better? And I said, love, man, I

1894
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:34,799
Speaker 1: think that I think it's easy to to see everything

1895
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:36,479
Speaker 1: that's going on in the world right now and just

1896
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:39,720
Speaker 1: be cynical and to let that get you down. I

1897
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:41,840
Speaker 1: was like, at the same time, you know, the the

1898
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:45,640
Speaker 1: United States of America is still a relatively young country. Um.

1899
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Speaker 1: We we have We're not two hundred years past slavery.

1900
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 1: My parents were raised in a in a in the

1901
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:54,320
Speaker 1: American South in the nineteen fifties and sixties or at

1902
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:56,400
Speaker 1: Jim Crow was the law of that region, and my

1903
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 1: kids were born in the first first decade of the

1904
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:03,879
Speaker 1: twenty century. Or there's the African American president, and that's progress.

1905
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:07,040
Speaker 1: And you can't say that that we haven't made progress.

1906
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:11,599
Speaker 1: And and look there's like we all know, there's challenges,

1907
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:14,360
Speaker 1: and we still have a ways to go, but but

1908
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:16,519
Speaker 1: there's progress. And as long as we as long as

1909
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:18,720
Speaker 1: we can leave this place better than was left for us,

1910
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:22,000
Speaker 1: then we've made progress. And I think Fritz would be

1911
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Speaker 1: the progress that's been made and he'd be happy. Anthony,

1912
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Speaker 1: thanks so much for spending some time with us. We

1913
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Speaker 1: really appreciated. We hope that Fritz Pollard The Forgotten Man,

1914
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Speaker 1: the three sixty documentary that you produced and directed, is

1915
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Speaker 1: a huge success. Thanks so much for spending some time.

1916
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Speaker 1: Thank you both. Thanks for having me on. Anthony Smith,

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Speaker 1: the producer director, NFL Network on the upcoming NFL three

1918
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Speaker 1: sixty documentary Fritz Pollard The Forgotten Man, Steve Tasker, Matti

1919
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Speaker 1: lab Here till three o'clock. This is One Bill's Live,

1920
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Speaker 1: presented by Kalid to Health. We'll be right back with

1921
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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Special Teams coordinator Heath Farwell on Buffalo Bill's

1922
01:47:55,840 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 1: Radio Welcome Back. In one of Bill's Lives Keep tasker

1923
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:05,840
Speaker 1: Maddie Glab. Yesterday, Mattie and I had the chance to

1924
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Speaker 1: sit down with Buffalo Bill's Special Teams coordinator Heath Farwell.

1925
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Speaker 1: We had a wide ranging conversation about a number of topics,

1926
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Speaker 1: and we wanted you to listen to that conversation. Here's

1927
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Speaker 1: Mattie and I with Heath Farwell yesterday. Heath, I gotta

1928
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Speaker 1: ask you the same thing we ask all our guests.

1929
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Speaker 1: How is the pandemic treating? Is your family safe and

1930
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Speaker 1: healthy as it been? You know, plus minuses are their

1931
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 1: silver linings. How's it going with you and your family?

1932
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Speaker 1: It's been really good. You know, it's kind of a

1933
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate happened. It's unfortunate we've been home, but it's

1934
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 1: also been kind of a cool deal for us. You know,

1935
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 1: I have young kids, so just being home, we all

1936
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Speaker 1: spend some time with them, you know, a lot more

1937
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:41,519
Speaker 1: of this offseason. You know, it's funny, as I found myself,

1938
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, if two older kids are in school, and

1939
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 1: my wife's kind of taken the school side of it.

1940
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:50,120
Speaker 1: So we have a young daughter named Dylan who's three.

1941
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:52,040
Speaker 1: So here I was saying, Okay, I'll just take this

1942
01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 1: on so I don't have to do the school. But

1943
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:56,720
Speaker 1: then I got myself where I was having to having

1944
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:58,640
Speaker 1: to do her hair every morning, get her dressed. So

1945
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:01,400
Speaker 1: I learned how to do ponytail and pigtails and paint

1946
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:04,280
Speaker 1: nails and so that's been really cool. It's I've actually

1947
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 1: really enjoyed doing all those things that you don't normally

1948
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:09,560
Speaker 1: get to do as busy as our schedules are, and

1949
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, and typically you know, I'm outside with the

1950
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 1: boys as much as I can. So to get some

1951
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:16,320
Speaker 1: some some other time with my daughter and and and

1952
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:18,960
Speaker 1: just to spend time with the family's been really good.

1953
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:21,360
Speaker 1: So we're making the most of it. Um. It's obviously

1954
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:24,840
Speaker 1: been challenging with the zoom calls, but it's also been

1955
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 1: kind of fun. You know, it's kind of seeing guys

1956
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 1: in their elements and it's so raw because you've got

1957
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:32,200
Speaker 1: dogs going in the picture, and uh, you know, it's

1958
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, they're having to you know, parents as in

1959
01:49:34,160 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 1: the middle of the meeting and you know, telling their

1960
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:38,960
Speaker 1: kids go away. I'm having to do it too, you know,

1961
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 1: just like everybody else. It's the reality of being home.

1962
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:45,600
Speaker 1: But like I said, we're trying to make them, you know,

1963
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 1: as entertaining as possible for the players, and and how

1964
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 1: can we keep them. You know, it's it's so different

1965
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:53,639
Speaker 1: to them. You know, they're so used to routines, so

1966
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:56,760
Speaker 1: being able to entertainment different ways through the zoom and

1967
01:49:56,800 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 1: through you know, you know, this is probably somewhat more

1968
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:02,479
Speaker 1: u familiar to them. But just older coaches and some

1969
01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 1: of these you know, some of our staffs even you know,

1970
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 1: a lot older than I am. But just to will

1971
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:08,280
Speaker 1: adapt to some of these things has been great. And

1972
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,360
Speaker 1: like I said, we make the most of it. Today

1973
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 1: as June team, the Bills are observing it as a

1974
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,839
Speaker 1: holiday as well as the NFL. Several teams and clubs

1975
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:20,320
Speaker 1: are closing their offices for the day. We also think

1976
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 1: it's important we're going to be on air today. Of

1977
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:26,080
Speaker 1: course we're on. We think it's important to listen, to learn,

1978
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:29,360
Speaker 1: to continue to educate ourselves on the show today. So

1979
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 1: what have you been doing during this time when racial injustice,

1980
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:38,960
Speaker 1: when when social injustice, when police brutality has been such

1981
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 1: a hot topic due to the murder of George Floyd.

1982
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:44,920
Speaker 1: What conversations have you been having with your teammates? How

1983
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 1: have with your players, how have those gone and things

1984
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:50,880
Speaker 1: like them. Yeah, you know, this is you know, we're

1985
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 1: all trying to learn. I think it was a real

1986
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 1: eye opener, I think for a lot of us. So

1987
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 1: I think be able to listen to these guys and

1988
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:59,080
Speaker 1: we've had some great conversation, you know, whether it's in

1989
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:01,599
Speaker 1: team meetings or even you know, kind of on the side,

1990
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:03,479
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of having these conversations of what

1991
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,759
Speaker 1: some of these guys have gone through and whether they're older,

1992
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 1: whether it's like you know, listen to Coach Frazier or

1993
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 1: Lorenz Alexander or even some of our current current players.

1994
01:51:12,439 --> 01:51:14,240
Speaker 1: So it's been really good to kind of have an

1995
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:16,400
Speaker 1: open mind about it and really just understand, you know,

1996
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 1: it's you know, we you know, I can't I could

1997
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:21,600
Speaker 1: never be in their shoes, so uh, you know, I

1998
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 1: can only just kind of imagine it and trying to

1999
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:25,679
Speaker 1: you know, put myself there as best I can, and

2000
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:27,599
Speaker 1: trying to support them and trying to help not as

2001
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 1: much as I can. We've all got to the point

2002
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:34,240
Speaker 1: where it's obvious that the players have this huge platform

2003
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:37,680
Speaker 1: that they can use. Um, how big an impact do

2004
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:40,720
Speaker 1: you think the National Football League can have? Certainly the

2005
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:43,680
Speaker 1: players more and more feeling a responsibility to take the

2006
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:46,679
Speaker 1: lead role and use their platform to get a message out.

2007
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:51,120
Speaker 1: How big could that be given the you know, the

2008
01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 1: notoriety and the just the the overall size and attention

2009
01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:59,360
Speaker 1: grabbing ability to the NFL. How how big do you

2010
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:00,920
Speaker 1: think that? How do you think it could help for

2011
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 1: the players to use their platforms like that? I mean

2012
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 1: it's huge, you know, so so many times you hear,

2013
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, the platform in a negative way. You know,

2014
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:10,439
Speaker 1: you hear you know, somebody's media kind of you know,

2015
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 1: goes one direction with it. But there's so much positive

2016
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:15,479
Speaker 1: with it, and so our guys can take advantage of it,

2017
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:18,080
Speaker 1: doing the right things and trying to be a good

2018
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:20,960
Speaker 1: example of it. So I think, um, you know, any

2019
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 1: way they can. I mean, these guys are you know,

2020
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:25,599
Speaker 1: they're they're sawing the you know, they're notice in the public,

2021
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:28,800
Speaker 1: they're notice on TV. Young kids look up to them.

2022
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 1: It's so valuable to set a good, good example to

2023
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:34,360
Speaker 1: all that stuff and people willing to listen. So take

2024
01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:38,559
Speaker 1: advantage of that platform is really what you know. The bill,

2025
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:41,640
Speaker 1: the whole bills organizations, um, you know is important too.

2026
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 1: Why do you think it's important for an organization as

2027
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:47,720
Speaker 1: big as the NFL to to step up and help

2028
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:50,679
Speaker 1: fight something that is this big in a league where

2029
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the players are black, why do

2030
01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:56,120
Speaker 1: you think it's important for the NFL to to stand

2031
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:58,840
Speaker 1: up and say, no, this, these things aren't right. People

2032
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:01,479
Speaker 1: aren't being treated equal, and we want to do our

2033
01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:05,519
Speaker 1: part to help fight to end systemic racism. Yeah, I mean,

2034
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 1: I think you said it best. Is there's you know,

2035
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:09,960
Speaker 1: we have so many you know, so many African Americans, Um,

2036
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:14,200
Speaker 1: you know in professional sports in general and football more specifically. Um,

2037
01:53:14,479 --> 01:53:16,960
Speaker 1: it's it's it's our culture. It's so much as involved

2038
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,559
Speaker 1: with so many of our guys and and and you know,

2039
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:22,360
Speaker 1: and Steve understands us, you know in sports, uh, you

2040
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:25,439
Speaker 1: know more you know, football, we're friends of these guys.

2041
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:27,080
Speaker 1: We you know, it's like they're brothers to us. So

2042
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:29,360
Speaker 1: we you know, we we're their form. We want to

2043
01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:32,920
Speaker 1: do what's best, and sometimes we're almost you know, we

2044
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:36,080
Speaker 1: see them different, you know, So it's almost I just

2045
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:39,320
Speaker 1: wish some teams or some people could see the way

2046
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, professional sports or even even as a young kid,

2047
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, you know, as a young kid um, you

2048
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 1: know playing you know, little league or whatever sport, whether

2049
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:49,920
Speaker 1: it was you know, um, you know, all different races.

2050
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:52,439
Speaker 1: You just get a different perspective and professionals or in

2051
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:55,680
Speaker 1: sports that that, you know is eye opening, that these

2052
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:57,680
Speaker 1: guys are best buddies and you don't even really you know,

2053
01:53:57,720 --> 01:53:59,439
Speaker 1: you don't even realize it like that, you know, And

2054
01:53:59,439 --> 01:54:01,760
Speaker 1: so it's a I think it's a great example of what,

2055
01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, what the world could see if they were

2056
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:06,120
Speaker 1: only in a locker room, and you can feel that

2057
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:09,080
Speaker 1: to understand people more than just you know, the color

2058
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:11,479
Speaker 1: of their skin. I agree with you, Heath, It's it's

2059
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:15,960
Speaker 1: something that we get gifted as professional athletes to make true,

2060
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:19,240
Speaker 1: lifelong friends with somebody from another race and to have

2061
01:54:19,400 --> 01:54:22,840
Speaker 1: them love and respect us in return. Plus we hear

2062
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 1: firsthand some of the trials and incidences and the scenarios

2063
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 1: that happened to these guys because they're black that we

2064
01:54:32,360 --> 01:54:36,240
Speaker 1: never even think of happening to us. And for us,

2065
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:38,320
Speaker 1: I think white players in the NFL who have been

2066
01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:41,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL and who are now have a firsthand

2067
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:43,560
Speaker 1: knowledge that this is not a made up issue. It's

2068
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:46,400
Speaker 1: it's real. It happens all the time. It happens every day,

2069
01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:48,920
Speaker 1: and it happens to our friends, and I think that's given.

2070
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:52,640
Speaker 1: I think that hurt for us to when it happens

2071
01:54:52,640 --> 01:54:56,920
Speaker 1: to us Because of our friends. Pain has risen made

2072
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 1: guys stand up and say, wait a minute, and the

2073
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:00,880
Speaker 1: white guys as well as the black guys who have

2074
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:03,000
Speaker 1: used their platform and say, listen, this ain't right. And

2075
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:05,440
Speaker 1: it does happen. It happens all too often. It happens

2076
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:09,280
Speaker 1: way too often. And of course the extremes are George

2077
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:12,600
Speaker 1: Floyd and Breonna Taylor and the others. Those are the

2078
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:16,800
Speaker 1: extreme cases. But there's dozens upon dozens upon hundreds upon

2079
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:19,880
Speaker 1: hundreds of cases that happen all the time that are

2080
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 1: that never make the news. And that's what we're kind

2081
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:25,480
Speaker 1: of fighting against. And I think it's interesting that you've

2082
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:29,920
Speaker 1: mentioned it. It's having buddies who this happens too, and

2083
01:55:30,160 --> 01:55:32,160
Speaker 1: as you get rub up against them in the locker room,

2084
01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:33,880
Speaker 1: and you and you and your friends and you hear

2085
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:35,960
Speaker 1: them and you and you hear their instances. That's been

2086
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:39,400
Speaker 1: the most the most enlightening thing, I think for a

2087
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:41,280
Speaker 1: lot of people who are or maybe are not in

2088
01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 1: the National Football League. You've been on these zoom meetings

2089
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:47,160
Speaker 1: in the off season. Have you had a chance to

2090
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:49,640
Speaker 1: listen to some of the instances or maybe some of

2091
01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:52,800
Speaker 1: that or you know, how how much of that has

2092
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:56,400
Speaker 1: leaked into perhaps your offseason, your virtual offseason. I think

2093
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 1: it is, and I think we're trying to take a

2094
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:01,200
Speaker 1: positive approach to it, to hearing these guys out and

2095
01:56:01,240 --> 01:56:04,720
Speaker 1: how can we help, you know, because it's something, like

2096
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 1: I said, if if our players are dealing with it,

2097
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:08,840
Speaker 1: it just shows you the rest of the public, you know,

2098
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:11,600
Speaker 1: the rest of the public and nonsports, you know, we're

2099
01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:14,080
Speaker 1: dealing with the exact same thing, if not more, you know,

2100
01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:16,680
Speaker 1: And so it's something you know, we gotta you know,

2101
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:19,240
Speaker 1: we gotta do more. And and we're all m you know,

2102
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to educate myself, you know. Like I said,

2103
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:23,840
Speaker 1: the more we can do, the more we can help out,

2104
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:26,680
Speaker 1: the better it'll be for everybody. And and and like

2105
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:30,000
Speaker 1: I said, they're they're they're you know, whether it's Jerry

2106
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:32,720
Speaker 1: or Lorenzo or any of those guys. These are our

2107
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:34,960
Speaker 1: current players, but there are current buddies. I mean, you know,

2108
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:37,200
Speaker 1: I got so much respect for these guys, you know,

2109
01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:39,040
Speaker 1: and not only as players, but as humans. They're they're

2110
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 1: they're unbelievable people, and so we're there for them, and

2111
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:45,240
Speaker 1: we're there to support them and listen to them and

2112
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:48,160
Speaker 1: to see what we can do, you know, to help out.

2113
01:56:49,120 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 1: This Virtual offseason has been one that a lot of

2114
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:55,480
Speaker 1: us will probably remember forever because it has just been

2115
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 1: so weird and so different, and Zoom is probably one

2116
01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:02,680
Speaker 1: of our favorite wars during this time. As the Virtual

2117
01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:06,120
Speaker 1: Offseason wraps up, what are your thoughts on how it went.

2118
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:09,600
Speaker 1: Was there anything that impressed you the most about the

2119
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:11,720
Speaker 1: team as a whole. Yeah, you know, I think what

2120
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:14,840
Speaker 1: impressed me the most was, you know, going into it,

2121
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:16,680
Speaker 1: I didn't first all, I've never heard of Zoom before

2122
01:57:16,720 --> 01:57:21,920
Speaker 1: this same I never heard of Zoom, and so we

2123
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 1: got you know, they say we gotta do the Zoom,

2124
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:26,520
Speaker 1: and I'm going, these guys aren't gonna learn anything, you know.

2125
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 1: That was my gut. Was I going, I don't know

2126
01:57:28,160 --> 01:57:29,400
Speaker 1: how this is gonna work. I don't know if I'm

2127
01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:31,640
Speaker 1: going to teach them through a through a camera, through

2128
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:33,240
Speaker 1: a screen. I don't know how it's gonna go. And

2129
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:35,640
Speaker 1: it couldn't be furthest from the truth. You know, these

2130
01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:39,080
Speaker 1: guys bought in. They were full go, whether it was

2131
01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:42,120
Speaker 1: working out or you know, what they were eating, what

2132
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:45,320
Speaker 1: they were doing, attentive in meetings, answering questions. I mean,

2133
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:47,960
Speaker 1: it was amazing how we could reach all these guys

2134
01:57:48,360 --> 01:57:51,600
Speaker 1: across the country, you know, I mean across the country. Guys.

2135
01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 1: We had guys in California having to wake up early

2136
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:55,640
Speaker 1: to get on zoom calls, the guys in the East Coast.

2137
01:57:55,680 --> 01:57:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just all different scenarios in situations,

2138
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:01,680
Speaker 1: but old timately, it's kind of weird. It's kind of

2139
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:03,880
Speaker 1: almost bonded our team because they knew how hard it

2140
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:06,000
Speaker 1: would be. They knew it was gonna be hard, so

2141
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:09,560
Speaker 1: guys almost bought in more. Our leadership was fantastic, so

2142
01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:12,920
Speaker 1: they kind of took it and ran with it with accountability.

2143
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:15,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just in our room, Read Ferguson,

2144
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:18,680
Speaker 1: uh you know, he led the specialist but he led

2145
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 1: the you know, the whole team, you know, I mean

2146
01:58:21,720 --> 01:58:24,600
Speaker 1: the special teams in general. You know, Read was a big,

2147
01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 1: Andre Roberts was huge. We had a bunch of guys

2148
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:30,080
Speaker 1: that kind of took control, uh you know, of the

2149
01:58:30,120 --> 01:58:32,200
Speaker 1: group and said we're not gonna we're not gonna use

2150
01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:35,000
Speaker 1: this as an excuse to not be prepared for the season,

2151
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:37,160
Speaker 1: and we're gonna put ourselves in the best spot we

2152
01:58:37,240 --> 01:58:39,720
Speaker 1: can and we'll see what happens, you know, come training

2153
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:43,040
Speaker 1: camp and in regular season. But this saf season. You know,

2154
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm biased, but I feel like we put the you know,

2155
01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:49,520
Speaker 1: we put our best foot forward and put ourselves in

2156
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:52,760
Speaker 1: the best possible way you could, you know, just using

2157
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:54,640
Speaker 1: the Zoom things. It's tough, you know, this is a

2158
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:58,400
Speaker 1: tough situation. Did you learn anything maybe going forward? Uncertainly

2159
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:00,240
Speaker 1: you don't want to do everything on Zoom or anything

2160
01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:02,960
Speaker 1: of virtual, but did you learn anything about coaching and

2161
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:05,560
Speaker 1: about how to handle the offseason that maybe, like you

2162
01:59:05,600 --> 01:59:07,960
Speaker 1: know what, maybe we will do more of this in

2163
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:10,480
Speaker 1: the future or less of this other thing, or you

2164
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:12,920
Speaker 1: know what's been the most surprising thing, and maybe what's

2165
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:14,720
Speaker 1: been the one thing that's impressed you the most about

2166
01:59:14,720 --> 01:59:17,720
Speaker 1: this virtual off season? Like I said before, it's it's

2167
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:21,040
Speaker 1: different for us coaches, the older guys, but these guys

2168
01:59:21,080 --> 01:59:23,000
Speaker 1: this is almost in their alley, you know, I mean,

2169
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:27,160
Speaker 1: this is technology stuff. So do we use more of

2170
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:29,840
Speaker 1: the you know, the visual stuff, you know, whether it's

2171
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:32,080
Speaker 1: drawings and stuff like that. We've had to do more

2172
01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:34,200
Speaker 1: of those, you know, because the tape. You know, we

2173
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:36,080
Speaker 1: put the tape on and make cut ups and stuff,

2174
01:59:36,120 --> 01:59:37,960
Speaker 1: but they weren't always really clean. You know, if we

2175
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:40,160
Speaker 1: had somebody had a bad WiFi and it was it

2176
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:42,400
Speaker 1: was hit or missed sometimes. So a lot of times

2177
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:45,240
Speaker 1: we had to rely on drawings and just going back

2178
01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:46,600
Speaker 1: to the kind of some of the you know, the

2179
01:59:46,760 --> 01:59:49,320
Speaker 1: the what I consider like almost old school stuff where

2180
01:59:49,320 --> 01:59:52,720
Speaker 1: it's just like drawings with arrows and stuff like that.

2181
01:59:52,760 --> 01:59:54,960
Speaker 1: But this is kind of where they're at, you know,

2182
01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:57,960
Speaker 1: it's like this is the technology aspect didn't affect them

2183
01:59:58,000 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 1: one bit, it was it was probably harder on us

2184
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:02,600
Speaker 1: their coaches, you know, who don't do social media and

2185
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:04,440
Speaker 1: don't do some of the other stuff. But this is

2186
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:08,160
Speaker 1: right there out. You know, the Bills did draft Tyler

2187
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:11,120
Speaker 1: Bass this year, and we've seen some social media videos

2188
02:00:11,120 --> 02:00:14,640
Speaker 1: just about how strong that kid's leg is. Uh. You've

2189
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:17,160
Speaker 1: said an immediate availability a couple of weeks ago that

2190
02:00:17,200 --> 02:00:20,040
Speaker 1: the job is still Steven hauschkaes, but there will be

2191
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:23,120
Speaker 1: competition at that position. Why is it important to have

2192
02:00:23,200 --> 02:00:25,880
Speaker 1: a competition there? I mean, I guess I think that's

2193
02:00:25,880 --> 02:00:28,880
Speaker 1: all positions on our team. You know, it's not just

2194
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:31,840
Speaker 1: that position competition. It'll get the best of them, you know,

2195
02:00:31,880 --> 02:00:34,360
Speaker 1: we'll get but when it's all said and done, we'll

2196
02:00:34,360 --> 02:00:37,080
Speaker 1: have the best kicker available. We'll have the best punter available.

2197
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:40,160
Speaker 1: You know, it will have the best you know, kickoff

2198
02:00:40,200 --> 02:00:42,520
Speaker 1: cover guy at the five spot, you know, and that's

2199
02:00:42,520 --> 02:00:45,560
Speaker 1: what they'll both be better because of this. You know, Steve,

2200
02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:48,320
Speaker 1: Steve's had a lot of big kicks and and and

2201
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:51,560
Speaker 1: brings a lot to the table with his experience. Um.

2202
02:00:51,640 --> 02:00:53,919
Speaker 1: You know, over the years he's had you know, playoff

2203
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:57,720
Speaker 1: kicks and super Bowl kicks literally. Um. But you know,

2204
02:00:57,760 --> 02:00:59,760
Speaker 1: Tyler is a young player with a lot of talent

2205
02:01:00,120 --> 02:01:03,280
Speaker 1: who's really gonna push Stive a ton and I'm looking

2206
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:05,840
Speaker 1: forward to see. You know, we've seen the big kicks

2207
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:07,520
Speaker 1: and and that's one of the things I had to

2208
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:09,600
Speaker 1: talk to Himbout was I love the big kicks. I

2209
02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:11,720
Speaker 1: love the legs draining, But you don't win the job

2210
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:15,120
Speaker 1: by kicking you know, seventy yard kicks. You're gonna get

2211
02:01:15,120 --> 02:01:16,879
Speaker 1: it because you you know, what do you do inside

2212
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:19,160
Speaker 1: forty nine yards? You know, make every forty you know,

2213
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:22,520
Speaker 1: forty nine and under and you can win the job. So, Um,

2214
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:25,560
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm looking forward to getting these guys

2215
02:01:25,560 --> 02:01:27,920
Speaker 1: out on the field. Um, you know, I'm getting to

2216
02:01:27,960 --> 02:01:30,960
Speaker 1: know them more on a personal level through zoom and

2217
02:01:31,040 --> 02:01:33,040
Speaker 1: phone calls. You know, they're calling me all the time,

2218
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, as checking in and this and that and

2219
02:01:35,360 --> 02:01:39,000
Speaker 1: going through this and going through communication. But I'm looking

2220
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:40,800
Speaker 1: forward to get in front of him. You're actually getting

2221
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:42,320
Speaker 1: to see them not only in the field, but in

2222
02:01:42,360 --> 02:01:44,560
Speaker 1: the meeting rooms and getting to talk into my office.

2223
02:01:44,600 --> 02:01:48,560
Speaker 1: And so that'll be a exciting to see these guys

2224
02:01:48,600 --> 02:01:51,520
Speaker 1: once they're there. Yeah, And you're right. As a special

2225
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:53,400
Speaker 1: teams coordinator, you get a kind of your hand in

2226
02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:55,840
Speaker 1: every position group. You're gonna pull from every guy on

2227
02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:58,680
Speaker 1: the from every group on the on the roster, and

2228
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:01,280
Speaker 1: you do have your hand in kind of leading almost

2229
02:02:01,480 --> 02:02:04,440
Speaker 1: three quarters of the roster because everybody plays special teams

2230
02:02:04,440 --> 02:02:06,200
Speaker 1: at some point. You've got them in a meeting you've

2231
02:02:06,200 --> 02:02:09,360
Speaker 1: had you probably have interacted with more players maybe than

2232
02:02:09,400 --> 02:02:12,320
Speaker 1: any of the coach other than maybe the cordin well

2233
02:02:12,360 --> 02:02:15,800
Speaker 1: with than Sean McDermott. Right, so even both the offense

2234
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:18,560
Speaker 1: and defensive coordinator. Right, Yeah, I mean coach you know,

2235
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:21,040
Speaker 1: obviously coach McDermott, you know, speaks to the whole team.

2236
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:23,560
Speaker 1: But essentially I would make a case that I would

2237
02:02:23,560 --> 02:02:25,400
Speaker 1: probably be the second most, you know, because the fund

2238
02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:28,839
Speaker 1: went them on special teams, whether it's offense or defense,

2239
02:02:28,920 --> 02:02:31,520
Speaker 1: all the you know, all the position players, I'm dealing

2240
02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:33,360
Speaker 1: with them on field goal, you know, I'm coaching a

2241
02:02:33,400 --> 02:02:36,000
Speaker 1: field goal. That's the who whole line. So that's that's

2242
02:02:36,040 --> 02:02:38,200
Speaker 1: what's cool about my position, I think, is to get

2243
02:02:38,280 --> 02:02:40,880
Speaker 1: to get the opportunity to reach the whole the whole team,

2244
02:02:41,280 --> 02:02:43,080
Speaker 1: and to get to those whole lineming. You know, that's

2245
02:02:43,120 --> 02:02:45,360
Speaker 1: something you know a lot of the let's say you're

2246
02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:47,760
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinate or even a DV coach, you don't

2247
02:02:47,800 --> 02:02:49,720
Speaker 1: know those offensive linemen. Now well you know, or I'm

2248
02:02:49,720 --> 02:02:51,840
Speaker 1: actually able to meet with them and get to know

2249
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:54,560
Speaker 1: them personally, and and so I think that is a

2250
02:02:55,040 --> 02:02:57,720
Speaker 1: really cool thing to be go across, you know, not

2251
02:02:57,800 --> 02:03:01,680
Speaker 1: just you know, the receivers and and linebackers, safeties, that's

2252
02:03:01,720 --> 02:03:04,120
Speaker 1: the august at corners, but getting to deal with some

2253
02:03:04,160 --> 02:03:06,760
Speaker 1: of these other positions tight ends because all of our

2254
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:08,760
Speaker 1: guys who are going to play special teams that you know,

2255
02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:10,360
Speaker 1: the backups are going to play a ton of them

2256
02:03:10,720 --> 02:03:12,800
Speaker 1: or three or four phase guys and then and then

2257
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:14,880
Speaker 1: even our starters, you know, they all contribute. I got

2258
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:16,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that that begged me to play

2259
02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:19,040
Speaker 1: more of them. You know, they're playing one to two

2260
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:21,800
Speaker 1: and and some want to play more. So um. You

2261
02:03:21,840 --> 02:03:23,880
Speaker 1: know that's what's cool. You've got a good team that

2262
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:26,680
Speaker 1: wants to be good and care about their teammates that

2263
02:03:26,760 --> 02:03:29,600
Speaker 1: they're not willing to to to to take a you know,

2264
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:31,960
Speaker 1: a phase off. You know, like I said, we got

2265
02:03:31,960 --> 02:03:34,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of starter. Jordan Poyer he begs me to

2266
02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:35,960
Speaker 1: be on the field. You know that's he's one of

2267
02:03:35,960 --> 02:03:38,400
Speaker 1: our best players on defense. And here he is. He

2268
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:40,960
Speaker 1: runs down a kickoffs for me if I say, hey,

2269
02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:42,880
Speaker 1: I need to say, hey, I need to um I

2270
02:03:42,920 --> 02:03:45,040
Speaker 1: need to do this week on a punt rush. Oh,

2271
02:03:45,160 --> 02:03:48,080
Speaker 1: he's the first guy there. He sits in every single meeting.

2272
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:50,120
Speaker 1: But you know that's just one of them. We got

2273
02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:52,520
Speaker 1: a ton of those guys that are starters. You know,

2274
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:54,720
Speaker 1: I already can see. You know a J. Klein is

2275
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:56,960
Speaker 1: a guy that you know comes here, you know from

2276
02:03:56,960 --> 02:03:59,240
Speaker 1: New Orleans. You know, coach had a prior deal with

2277
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:02,160
Speaker 1: him and care Alina. But he's one of our best

2278
02:04:02,160 --> 02:04:05,760
Speaker 1: guys in meetings as leadership. You know he's potential, you know,

2279
02:04:05,800 --> 02:04:07,880
Speaker 1: to be our starter. But you know, I could tell

2280
02:04:07,960 --> 02:04:10,400
Speaker 1: already he's willing and wants to play special teams, is

2281
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:14,360
Speaker 1: going to contribute. So I think when you have good teams,

2282
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:17,720
Speaker 1: that those starters are willing and want to and and

2283
02:04:17,960 --> 02:04:22,160
Speaker 1: encourage to play special teams, it just sets the table

2284
02:04:22,200 --> 02:04:24,920
Speaker 1: for the rest of the team. How important that you

2285
02:04:24,920 --> 02:04:26,879
Speaker 1: know that phase of the game is. So these rookies

2286
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:29,480
Speaker 1: or say back ups, they say, well, if if these

2287
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:31,800
Speaker 1: guys are playing up, better be out there. It is important.

2288
02:04:31,800 --> 02:04:34,400
Speaker 1: It's not an afterthought, you know, like like it is

2289
02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:37,839
Speaker 1: on some teams. One last question for you the Bills,

2290
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:42,320
Speaker 1: added Tyler Madakavich. He comes from the Steelers. He's somebody

2291
02:04:42,320 --> 02:04:45,000
Speaker 1: who's led the NFL and special teams tackles over the

2292
02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:47,000
Speaker 1: last couple of years, which isn't easy to do. And

2293
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:50,360
Speaker 1: when he talked to the media, he said, my mentality

2294
02:04:50,520 --> 02:04:53,880
Speaker 1: is c ball, get ball. What have your impression has

2295
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:57,840
Speaker 1: been so far of Tyler Madakavich. Yeah, I mean, you know,

2296
02:04:57,880 --> 02:05:01,360
Speaker 1: as I said recently, he's he I think that best

2297
02:05:01,480 --> 02:05:04,000
Speaker 1: describes him. He's going to get the ball. He has

2298
02:05:04,040 --> 02:05:09,600
Speaker 1: a motor, he's physical, he's aggressive, and I've watched him

2299
02:05:09,600 --> 02:05:11,360
Speaker 1: for a couple of years and and and just was

2300
02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:13,760
Speaker 1: hoping we'd have an opportunity to get him here. You know,

2301
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:16,240
Speaker 1: we faced him last year. He's a matchup. He's a

2302
02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:18,800
Speaker 1: he's a problem. You know, he's you know, it shows

2303
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:21,000
Speaker 1: up on tape that how are we going to block

2304
02:05:21,080 --> 02:05:23,520
Speaker 1: this guy? You know, when I have to stress our

2305
02:05:23,560 --> 02:05:26,400
Speaker 1: guys all week, this guy is a matchup problem. We

2306
02:05:26,440 --> 02:05:28,120
Speaker 1: really we have to get two guys on him. We

2307
02:05:28,200 --> 02:05:30,600
Speaker 1: have to you know, we have to count for him

2308
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:32,720
Speaker 1: all over the field. And then we got you know,

2309
02:05:32,760 --> 02:05:34,280
Speaker 1: we get to add him. You know, I had I

2310
02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:37,080
Speaker 1: had a special teams coordinator that's in that division. I

2311
02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:39,120
Speaker 1: don't know if he was more excited to get him

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Speaker 1: out of the division as I was to get him.

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Speaker 1: You know, he texts me right away to thank you. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And So he's a guy you just you know, he's

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Speaker 1: he has that mentality get ball. I mean, he is

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Speaker 1: getting the football. He's going there. He's tough. So I

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Speaker 1: think he's going to bring an element to our special

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Speaker 1: teams on the inside to go with their outside. You know,

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Speaker 1: Taiwan Jones, Siran Neil, They're going to control it from

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Speaker 1: the outside. But you get a guy like Tyler Manakavich

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Speaker 1: and you really got some, you know, some physical presence inside.

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Speaker 1: Coach of the Buffalo Bills, Special Teams coordinator for the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills are thanks to him to come in spend

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Speaker 1: some time with us today. Steve Tasker, Mattie Glab coming

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Speaker 1: back after the break. This is one Bill's Live presenter

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Speaker 1: by Kalida Health and this is Buffalo Bills Radio Learned,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Skywalk, official construction equipment rental company

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Speaker 1: of the Buffalo Bills. We had Kim Pagoula on the

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Speaker 1: program early in the day and she had this to

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Speaker 1: say about the in this day of social injustice and

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Speaker 1: the pandemic and all that's going on in our society.

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Speaker 1: The Buffalo Bills have adopted the Listen, Learn and Love motto.

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Speaker 1: And here's what Kim Pogoula said about why they adopted it.

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Speaker 1: When I had conversations with some of our some people

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Speaker 1: in our black community and especially the ones in our organization,

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Speaker 1: they said, listen, We just we just want people to listen,

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Speaker 1: right like we just we just want to have the conversation,

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Speaker 1: like we know this is not hard, but we just

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Speaker 1: feel like now it's the time that people just have

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Speaker 1: to first step just listen, right and learn about what

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Speaker 1: other people are going through and the experiences that here.

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Speaker 1: We just want to share it and talk with people.

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Speaker 1: And so, um. So I think it just came from

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Speaker 1: kind of this idea that that this is what our staff, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, just said, this is what we need, this

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Speaker 1: is what we want to do. We want to listen,

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Speaker 1: we want to learn about it, and we want to

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Speaker 1: be able to you know, love each other in all

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Speaker 1: our views, in all our opinions. Um. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's you know, it really has been resonated so well

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Speaker 1: with the whole staff. That was Kim Pagoula on the Listen,

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Speaker 1: learn and love motto the Buffalo Bills have adopted during

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Speaker 1: this pandemic and the social injustice protests. Also, we had

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Speaker 1: on Special Teams coordinator Heath Farwell. We asked him about

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Speaker 1: the communication with his players and other coaches that have

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Speaker 1: taken place over the last few weeks and how that

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Speaker 1: has gone. Here's Farwell, you know, we're all trying to learn.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a real eye opener, I think

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Speaker 1: for a lot of us. So I think be able

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Speaker 1: to listen to these guys and we've got some great conversation,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether it was in team meetings or even

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of on the side, you know, just

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Speaker 1: kind of having these conversations of what some of these

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Speaker 1: guys have gone through and whether they're older, whether it's

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Speaker 1: like you know, listen to Coach Frazier or Lorenz Alexander

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Speaker 1: or even some of our current current players. So it's

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Speaker 1: been really good to kind of have an open mind

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Speaker 1: about it and really just understand, you know, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: we you know, I I could never be in their shoes,

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Speaker 1: so you know, I can only just kind of imagine

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Speaker 1: it and trying to, you know, put myself there as

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Speaker 1: best I can, and trying to support them and trying

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Speaker 1: to help not as much as I can. That was

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Speaker 1: Heath Farwell, that was what we learned. Brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Skyworks, the official construction equipment rental company of the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. We had a ton going on in this

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Speaker 1: show today, did we not, Maddie. I mean it was

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Speaker 1: we had Kim Pagoula on, we had you were on

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Speaker 1: with Jim Salgado, the nickel coach for the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 1: and Nathan watt Hair, the professor of world history, given

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Speaker 1: us a background on the Juneteenth Holiday. We had Anthony

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Speaker 1: Smith on, who is He's the producer director of Fritz Pollard,

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Speaker 1: a forgotten man, the Hall of Fame NFL football player,

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Speaker 1: the first African American head coach in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: And of course then we just heard from Heath faraway.

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Speaker 1: We're busy, busy, busy today talk full of some awesome guests.

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Speaker 1: It was a great show. I'm glad we are on.

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Speaker 1: Even though PSC is observing Juneteenth, that's a holiday. We

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Speaker 1: use this time to talk about some important issues going

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Speaker 1: on in our world relating to racial injustice, police brutality,

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Speaker 1: and it was a good conversation. Yeah, I agree. I

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Speaker 1: don't should Juneteenth be a national holiday one percent like

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Speaker 1: fourth of July? Is? I agree? I mean it's it's

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Speaker 1: like it is the fourth of July for a large

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Speaker 1: segment of our population. And I think it's a signal

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Speaker 1: too that, you know, maybe that was the first time

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Speaker 1: that white America got it right, you know, free, freeing

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Speaker 1: the slaves. I mean, good grief. It seems so. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. We take it for granted now in this

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Speaker 1: day and age, I guess, but it hasn't been so

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Speaker 1: obviously for friends in the black community. Hopefully. I think

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Speaker 1: this is a better road coming forward, right, Um, Maddie,

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Speaker 1: have a great weekend. What are you gonna do anything special?

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Speaker 1: Enjoy this weather? Yeah? Yeah, me too. All right, that's

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Speaker 1: it for us. We'll talk to you on Monday. Thanks

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Speaker 1: a lot, Maddie, great week appreciate it. This has been

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Speaker 1: one Bill's Live on Buffalo Bill's Radio and it's brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Khalid to Health. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: on Monday. Everybody. Thanks,