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Speaker 1: Live from Indianapolis. This is continuing coverage of the NFL

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Speaker 1: Cone on Steelers Nation Radio. Yeah, good morning, everyone. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to our two of our day three of our coverage

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Speaker 1: from the NFL Combine. Our Combine coverage is presented by

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Speaker 1: First National Bank. Let's get started, remember f D. I

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Speaker 1: see we're scheduled to chat with Jeremy Fowler of ESPN

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Speaker 1: here in our hour to Jerry du Lac with you

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Speaker 1: along with at Williamson. We're starting to see some of

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Speaker 1: the measurements come in, Matt from some of the receivers.

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Speaker 1: Johan Dotson measured into five ten and a half only

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Speaker 1: a hundred seventy eight pounds, nine and a half inch hands,

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Speaker 1: seventy four inch wing span. You impair that to like

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Speaker 1: a Drake London who was seventy seven and three quarter.

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Speaker 1: He was big for a little guy. Yeah, and he

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Speaker 1: used it really well as Uh. He uses those nine

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Speaker 1: very well. He's very shorthanded receiver and he's very good,

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Speaker 1: outstanding receiver. We talked yesterday. Uh, that weight doesn't really

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Speaker 1: um um, you know, a better receiver like kJ Hamdler explosive,

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Speaker 1: but a better receiver than kJ Ham, better all around receiver,

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Speaker 1: not his gimmicky. I think he can handle traditional route

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Speaker 1: think Handler is really a three or four in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: where Dotson's, you know, more of a featured guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with that question, then you get to they got your

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Speaker 1: headseting now, Jeremy Fowler, he has to Yeah, you haven't

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Speaker 1: done this at all, joins us now. Jeremy of course

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Speaker 1: spent several years coming to Steelers for ESPN now with

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Speaker 1: the National in Connecticut. How many years doing the Steelers

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Speaker 1: that long? Same seemed like eternity to us. Who's who

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Speaker 1: worked with you? That's that's all I can tell you.

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Speaker 1: How we doing Okay, Yes, I did some money nuts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get him finished before you got at him.

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Speaker 1: Got some coffee yesterday, I come, I can naked yesterday,

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Speaker 1: nothing to drink, nothing to snack on. That's for sure.

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Speaker 1: How we doing it? He arrived yesterday right, got in

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Speaker 1: yesterday morning. Yeah, and vacation. How long? Yeah, you were done?

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Speaker 1: You were done Florida, right, Florida. Yeah, a little time

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Speaker 1: to get some sunshines and vitamin D. You know, good,

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Speaker 1: you got some good color going on. Appreciate you know

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Speaker 1: you don't get that in Connecticut this time of your day.

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Speaker 1: I need I need the Jerry Do lag like golf

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Speaker 1: right around. That's right. It was two weeks ago as

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, doing well, visiting my daughter and

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Speaker 1: getting in a little as well. So, um, what you

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Speaker 1: gotta do while you're here? Anything particular? You just kind

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Speaker 1: of mosey Iran talked to some people. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: say my main focus is just getting ready for free

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Speaker 1: agency because once it's arts, it's it's it's a sprint,

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Speaker 1: and you know, hundreds of guys flying around contracts and

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Speaker 1: potential trades, whatever it is. And I'm just kind of

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Speaker 1: start with the quarterbacks because that's what everybody's sort of

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Speaker 1: be dealt, and then go from there and what's what's

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Speaker 1: sort of the reasonable quarterback market? And then weren't get

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Speaker 1: be honestly, Yeah, we saw some of those possibility shot

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Speaker 1: the coaches and GM Derek Carr not going anywhere. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson not going anywhere. Of course, you never know

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Speaker 1: But I don't see that happening either. And here come

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Speaker 1: the Saint Almos shrimp in case you're wondering bringing around

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Speaker 1: to Radio rowe um. But yeah, so but still be there.

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Speaker 1: it's not it's not. Let's face, it's not a strong

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Speaker 1: Jamis Winston, Marcus Mariotta, Mitchell Trabisky, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: feel like that that offense wasn't suited for him. You

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Speaker 1: put him in some peo situations. Um uses athleticism a

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Speaker 1: won't allow that move to be made. But I will

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Speaker 1: tell you in what was his draft your seventeen he

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Speaker 1: a guy who can take it to the super Bowl.

425
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Speaker 1: And you know, you have the three good receivers. And

426
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Speaker 1: once again, once they give Joe Burrow that contract, all

427
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you become a little more stringer with

428
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Speaker 1: a salary cap because you're tight against it. What you

429
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 1: gotta pay your quarterback and you can't pay they're not.

430
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: Let's face it, they can't pay all three of those receivers.

431
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Speaker 1: So if they're gonna pay Tyler Boyd, then are they

432
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Speaker 1: financially u valuing him more than t Higgins, who was

433
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Speaker 1: more of a big play guy. And then you know

434
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Speaker 1: they're gonna pay Jamar Chase, who's the biggest of big

435
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Speaker 1: play guys. So you have to be real careful about

436
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 1: the Steelers. You know they ran into that with Plexico Burrows.

437
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 1: They put their money and on Hind's ward and he

438
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: couldn't pay both them. Lex had to go, and he

439
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: was a number one pick and plenty start back. That's

440
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Speaker 1: making a big chunk of money. You don't have those

441
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 1: options and stardom is hard to keep up in this league.

442
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: It was more of a big play guy, but they

443
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Speaker 1: decided on high understandably. So what the Bengals and they

444
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Speaker 1: don't have to make that decision. They can't pay three guys,

445
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: and right now, Joe Burrows on a rookie contract, but

446
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: you start giving him that fifty million dollar deal, and

447
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: at some point, if you want to make sure you

448
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 1: give Jamaar Chase what what he is worth. All of

449
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, you can't go up in free

450
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Speaker 1: agency and do what they did with the defensive line

451
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: as much as they did. It's a whole another ball game.

452
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you've heard this a lot too,

453
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Speaker 1: but I get a lot of Steeler fans saying, well,

454
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Speaker 1: you know, we've been on top, and that's our turn

455
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: to pay our dues. Cincinnati's on top of the division,

456
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 1: and wow, Josh Allen and Herbert and Mahomes and all

457
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: these unbelievable a f C quarterbacks, And they're not wrong.

458
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: I mean, those guys are unbelievably impressive, and I'm jealous

459
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Speaker 1: as could be that they have Herbert and all those guys.

460
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Speaker 1: But a lot of those teams haven't shown they can

461
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Speaker 1: pay a quarterback top three, top five money year after year.

462
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Speaker 1: Then what we talked about yesterday, Kevin Colbert pick overall,

463
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: the Bengals are picking what thirty one, that's usually about

464
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Speaker 1: where their second pick is. Know what I mean, Like

465
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: they don't have those same resources every year. It's to

466
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Speaker 1: stay on top. You know, when you look and people

467
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: talk about, you know it's gonna be down years for

468
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Speaker 1: the Steelers. Let's face it, I saw the turnover they

469
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Speaker 1: had this past year, you know, losing, losing six starters, uh,

470
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Speaker 1: you know, being not being able to to be active

471
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Speaker 1: in free agency, the retirement of pouncing lost a year before.

472
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Speaker 1: But but surprisingly have to having or a late surprise

473
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Speaker 1: having to do without David de Castro. Now you have

474
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Speaker 1: no steffun to it all year. Okay, And I know

475
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Speaker 1: injuries happens in Tyson, but still and so and as

476
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Speaker 1: bad as they look for for most of this, with

477
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Speaker 1: the exception of a few fourth quarters when Ben had

478
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Speaker 1: to take over and bring them back. Um, they can't

479
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: really can't look any worse running the ball thirty second

480
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Speaker 1: stop yeah, uh point production was It's face it was minimal, um,

481
00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 1: you know, ninth fewer than twenty points times than they

482
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: scored more than twenty points, more games than they scored

483
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Speaker 1: twenty points. They couldn't really look any worse than they

484
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: did that offensive line, and they made the postseason, finished

485
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 1: second in division and they made the postseason. I I

486
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: know Ben's gonna be gone, but I really don't know

487
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Speaker 1: that it could be look any darker or being any

488
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Speaker 1: darker than at least looked last year. This past season. Yeah,

489
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be optimistic because we're not radio.

490
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: I just think that the product on the field likely

491
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Speaker 1: to be better next year than it was last year.

492
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think gonna snap by snap basis, they

493
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: will be a better big issue. But yes, no doubt

494
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: about it. But Ben had his limitations as well, you know,

495
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 1: right right, he also had a year. Um, I saw

496
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Speaker 1: he had the second biggest drop in quarterback rating in

497
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Speaker 1: the league last year. You know who was number one?

498
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, that makes a

499
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: ton of sounds, right, And yeah he didn't have a

500
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: great yet best fourth quarter pastor though in the league

501
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: he had a question statistically. Um. But the division is

502
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: very interesting right now, you know, I mean it's a

503
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: tough one. Some of these divisions look like they're getting

504
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: easier and easier with like Brady retiring in the In

505
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: the NFC South, who you know, Breeze isn't there anymore?

506
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: There's no powerhouse in that. But that's not gonna be

507
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: the case in ANFC North three years. How about the

508
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints debating about how much money they want

509
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: to give Taysom Hill. That contract makes no sense to

510
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: me at all. I mean, unbelievable for a guy who's

511
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: just an average quarterback, but he's he's athletic, and he's mobile,

512
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: but he's a running quarterback. He is. But I think

513
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: he's a Sean Payton pet. I mean, even when Drew

514
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: Brees was in his prime, not quite in his prime,

515
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: but still an elite player, they would put Hill in there.

516
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Speaker 1: If you're snapping the ball to anyone but Drew Brees.

517
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Speaker 1: I'm happy about it as a defense, and I mean

518
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 1: they've generally he's hard to play against. But all the

519
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: flirtations with Hill over the last couple of years and

520
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: the extreme amount of money they've given him, like you said,

521
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Speaker 1: just doesn't add up to me at all. I mean,

522
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Speaker 1: I think he's a gimmick player and he's not someone

523
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Speaker 1: you want to take it that, you know, man. I

524
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: was talking to uh court El Stewart a couple of

525
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: weeks ago, first story I did about the evolution of

526
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: the black quarter in the NFL and and how accepted

527
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: their talent is now and embraced about that he was

528
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: a second round pick. Um I said today he would

529
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Speaker 1: be a top ten pick. Five. Yeah, I think Dale

530
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: said yesterday he might go first overall in this draft.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember him well enough as a college passer

532
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Speaker 1: and as a prospect. And it took him a while

533
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Speaker 1: till he took over his quarterback And you know, I

534
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: wasn't doing this professional at that point. But man, I mean,

535
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: teams would be salivating over him. Were still the all

536
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: time Big Eight total yardage leader in today's air with

537
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Speaker 1: these offenses, in all that football, he's still the long

538
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: time leader total yards seven yards. I'm not diminishing at

539
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Speaker 1: all what he could have been in today's NFL as

540
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: a quarterback, but frankly, I thought he could have been

541
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Speaker 1: one of the best receivers in the league. Two in

542
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Speaker 1: addition to all he said, and I do recall this,

543
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: I do call this guy saying it, but he said

544
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: that the co told him that. He said he could

545
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: have been. Uh he said, you could maybe be a

546
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame receiver. Yeah. Right, they're stuck with it,

547
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: and and and and and so, Cordell. You know some quarterbacks,

548
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, they run and they throw. None of them

549
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: were out there catching, right, I mean or lamar Is.

550
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: They're not running routes throwing seventy five yards in the

551
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: air as he did on the hell Mary to beat Michigan.

552
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: You know, higwerful, warm, you know, good size, fast as heck,

553
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, and could catch the ball. They wouldn't even

554
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: try him a wide We wouldn't, right, right, a quarterback,

555
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean, and how many people before him, often, you know,

556
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: guys of color. It never got that shot. It would

557
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: have been stars, you know. And imagine if Ranald Cunningham

558
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: is coming out today, he'd be the first pick in

559
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: the draft. There's no doubt about it. And that guys

560
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: remember Freddy Solomon And I only noticed because I looked

561
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: it up. Uh, you know, Marlon Briscoe, you know, those

562
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: guys were college quarterbacks. They never got today they get

563
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: a chance crazy, you know, as productive as they were.

564
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: So you look at you look at this quarterback a

565
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: draft and you know, we heard Kevin Colbert say this

566
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: twice in the last uh two weeks, Matt that, um,

567
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of depth there, there's not a

568
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: lot of quality. But what is there? Um, not a

569
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: lot of quantity? Excuse me? But what is there? He

570
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: feels there several quality quarterbacks and and I think quality

571
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: is the right word. Yeah, it's not star, but I agree,

572
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: I agree. I you know, I've said in in any

573
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Speaker 1: other good quarterback year, I don't. I'm not sure any

574
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: of these guys would be a first round pick. If

575
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: they were, they were certainly low first round. Yeah, I mean,

576
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: I say I could be wrong, but last year was

577
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: rare because Lawrence was a slam down and Fields and

578
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: Lance and those guys were exceptional prospects. How about excuse

579
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: me real quick, how about Joe Montana and Steve Young

580
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: both coming out, both of them and saying they don't

581
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: think Trey Lance is ready to play in the NFL. Now,

582
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: both of them kind of hear both forty guys you

583
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: almost think being them out, you know, leaking out as

584
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 1: a mouthpiece for the forty niners. I've heard a lot

585
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: of the same with you. So that'll din't mean no

586
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: no about him though is let's say he is a

587
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: day one starter. That's the first time he started a

588
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: game of three years. I mean he didn't play his

589
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: last year in college too. I mean, that's a long

590
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: stretch not to be a regular player. And boy did

591
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: they have a lot invested in him and they went

592
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: far without him, you know, So that whole situation is

593
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: really interesting to me. Or he made an element that

594
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: Jimmy didn't, including his running, that makes them unbelievably hard

595
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: to play against. I don't know what to think of them.

596
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I understand this willingness part. Well. I

597
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: do because they drafted Trey Lance. But when you you

598
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: have to evaluate where those guys are, and I don't

599
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: quite understand their seeming willingness to just part with Jimmy Garoppolo. Yeah,

600
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. Yeah, I think what happened

601
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: at the time was boy Kyler Murray's this up and

602
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: coming dynamic quarterback Russell Willson star in that division. The

603
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: Rams go add Matthew Stafford. We can't be fourth in

604
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: the quarterback race in our own DIVI vision and make

605
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: them any better than right. And I think they overreacted,

606
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, not that Jimmy's gonna lead

607
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: you the promise in time and time, and but he's

608
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: won a lot of games. I think he's a quality player.

609
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: But to think of the Niners where they would have

610
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: went last year if they would have used those picks

611
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: instead of moving up like crazy on another pass ructor

612
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: and you know whatever else. You know, it's an interesting dilemma.

613
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't see the bad stuff with Jimmy Garoppolo,

614
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: but when whatever I watch him, I think looks fine

615
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: to me. And you know there that's a Maleman position

616
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: with them too, they're handing the ball off. I mean,

617
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: I think this and the surroundings help him a ton,

618
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: because I really think they run the ball. Ravens maybe

619
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Speaker 1: a side because they're sort of their own beast better

620
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: than any team in the league. The Ravens they run

621
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: because of Lamar Jackson, right right, but there, but Jimmy

622
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: consistently wins. Durability is a bit of a concern, and

623
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: they asked him to make a lot of really difficult

624
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: throws in the middle of the field where there's a

625
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: lot of bodies off and off action from that running game.

626
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: But there's times where he throws one right in the

627
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: Linebackers numbers, you know, more than you would like, and

628
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, how did you not see that guy? You know?

629
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean, but I think he's the middle of the

630
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: road quarterback and you can win games with You know,

631
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: if if by chance he would come here and this

632
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: spend like it was two years ago, you'd be a

633
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: pretty horrible squad because you said the middle of the road.

634
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: Where how would you equate Mason Rudolph to Jimmy Garoppolo

635
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: Because I believe, I mean interesting questions where they they

636
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Speaker 1: can win right, depends on the defense. But this, you know,

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Speaker 1: this isn't This is a guy that they feel, you know,

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Speaker 1: with the in the right situation, they can win ten

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Speaker 1: games with. Now I know that was ten out of sixteen,

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Speaker 1: not a seventeen game season. But you know with with

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Speaker 1: you know, the defense they typically have, they feel that

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Speaker 1: that's that's the middle of the road to me, maybe

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Speaker 1: above middle of the road. I think Jimmy Garoppolo is

644
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Speaker 1: a little above middle the road. But because you use

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Speaker 1: that expression, how would you where would you? Deep down?

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Speaker 1: I think Rudolph is a lifetime backup spots starter r

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Speaker 1: fitz Packer. Um, that's not a bad career. You you

648
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Speaker 1: were tired with an offer money in the bank and yeah,

649
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: you know he's probably start fifty games in his career.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it numerous stops played twelve years, make millions of dollars?

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Speaker 1: Um is he Andy Dalton or less? I would rather

652
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Speaker 1: have Rudolph than Dalton today today, Dalton's best day with

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Speaker 1: the you know throwing to a j Green is probably

654
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: better than Mason's best day. But you mentioned Doc made

655
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Speaker 1: me crazy that year that Ben was out. Everyone just

656
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: lumps Duck and Rudolph together like they were the same,

657
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: Like come on, I mean, one guy has no business

658
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Speaker 1: being in the league and the other guys, like I said,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna last ten or twelve years in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: And the other about Rudolph again, I think he's a

661
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: very high end backup and it went all and done,

662
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Speaker 1: but a couple of times when he's had a chance

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Speaker 1: to shine. I really go back to that Jets game,

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Speaker 1: you know when in that same season, it was late

665
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Speaker 1: in the year, he's playing great and got her to

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Speaker 1: get her. You know, he's said a couple of times

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Speaker 1: when he's starting to turn the corner and you know

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Speaker 1: he's going to put the work in, it didn't quite

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Speaker 1: see the fruits because something goes away, you know. So

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Speaker 1: I'm open to the idea that this is an improving

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Speaker 1: player that if everything's around him, you can win games

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Speaker 1: with them. But I don't think he's the answer or

673
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Speaker 1: the successor, you know, But him verse Jimmy's an interesting

674
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Speaker 1: conversation because one guy cost you four million, and he's

675
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: a roster and the other guy might cost you a

676
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: second round pick in twenty million. Is there that big

677
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: of a discrepancy. That's a good question. I've had this

678
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Speaker 1: conversation with a former NFL head coach who said, they

679
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Speaker 1: think he's you know o'donald got Yes, guy I couldn't

680
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Speaker 1: win with. But always someone you're looking to see if

681
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Speaker 1: there's somebody. But that's just how I kind of categorize

682
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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. Yeah, I think that's the same tire. Yeah,

683
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Speaker 1: a guy Mason Rudolph isn't going to like Neil, is

684
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Speaker 1: going to take a lot of chances, but probably not

685
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Speaker 1: gonna throw a lot of interceptions because he's not gonna

686
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Speaker 1: try and fit it in those type right, right, But

687
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Speaker 1: that type of guy, And and I've always kept in

688
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Speaker 1: the back of my mind, and that's the way I

689
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Speaker 1: look at it. Guy you can win with. Oh, they

690
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Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl with new ol'donnald didn't win,

691
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Speaker 1: but they went to it. Um, But you always have

692
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Speaker 1: your eye out, Okay, can we improve the position? I

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Speaker 1: assume you agree with me that they would like a

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Speaker 1: better athlete runner though, you know, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's as bad as people think as a runner or athlete,

696
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Speaker 1: and I think he's actually improved in that regard. As

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Speaker 1: his Haskins. If you watch Haskins at Ohio State in Washington,

698
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Speaker 1: oh he was a battleship. I mean, he couldn't move

699
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Speaker 1: at all. He's gotten much left on his feet. But

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Speaker 1: I bet whenever they get the hand pick their next guy,

701
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Speaker 1: he's at least a borough athlete or better, or at

702
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Speaker 1: least a young Ben. Yeah right, young Ben, which by

703
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: today's standards isn't Lamar, but it's no bal can extend

704
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: play type of guy. When things break down, He's was

705
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Speaker 1: owing better. Absolutely. Jerrydulac and Matt Williamson, We're at the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Convention Center. It's day three of our combined coverage.

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Speaker 1: It is presented by First National Bank. Let's get started,

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Speaker 1: member f D I C. We're gonna come back with

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Speaker 1: our final segment right after this on the ESPN Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: and Steeler Nation Radio Live from Indianapolis. This is continuing

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Speaker 1: coverage of the NFL Combine on Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome

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00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: back to the Indiana Convention Center. Jerry Dulac and Matt

713
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Speaker 1: Williams in our final segment for these opening two hours

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Speaker 1: are combined coverage presented by First National Bank. Let's get started,

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Speaker 1: member f D. I see all the some of the

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Speaker 1: measurements starting to come in and Kenney Pickett an eight

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Speaker 1: and a half inch hand. That's that is, yes, considered small.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a bit eye opening, it really is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this has been a extent they do. He

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Speaker 1: decided not to because he's doing hand exercises to try

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Speaker 1: to increase is stretching it in hand exercises, and I've

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Speaker 1: never heard of this before, but he it is a condition.

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Speaker 1: He has some sort of double jointed thumb that his

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Speaker 1: hand doesn't expand quite as much from you know, you're

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Speaker 1: you know the way that they design it. But he

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Speaker 1: claims it doesn't hurt him when he holds the football.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to comment on that. I just

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Speaker 1: know it came out of eight and a half and

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Speaker 1: nine is a red flag. And I don't know who

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Speaker 1: bends are I bet their ten? I mean, and he

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Speaker 1: it worries me. I mean, to be very honest, I'm

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Speaker 1: rooting for Kenny Pickett. He's a pit guy. I spent

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Speaker 1: time at pit, I grew up here. If he's in

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Speaker 1: a cold environment. That ball is bigger and heavier than

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Speaker 1: people realize. And how many times did Ben Pump fake

736
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Speaker 1: or get hit when the ball would have come out.

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Speaker 1: But the hand strength and the physical y of that

738
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Speaker 1: quarterback eliminated a bad play from happening. That worries me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, nine is bad. Eight and a halfs really bad,

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Speaker 1: you know. And we talked about this yesterday, uh with

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Speaker 1: Tony GROSSI about and about Baker Mayfield. You know, with

742
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Speaker 1: his hand size is uh the Brown's old GM at

743
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Speaker 1: the time, John Dorsey talking about how it's a big

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Speaker 1: factor in the Northeast, right that that that that factors

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Speaker 1: into their decisions. And yet they drafted Baker Mayfield number

746
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Speaker 1: one despite his small hands. He was under nine. He

747
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Speaker 1: was if he wasn't the smallest among the quarterbacks, he

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Speaker 1: if he wasn't the smallest hand among the quarterbacks, he

749
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Speaker 1: was among the smallest. And so you look in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and let's let's face it, they're bigger, faster, and stronger

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Speaker 1: in the NFL than they are in college football. And

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Speaker 1: when you see some of these guys coming, you know,

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Speaker 1: t J. Watt from the blindside, and they're Toma hoff

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Speaker 1: chopping how some of these quarterbacks hold the ball is

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Speaker 1: is really impressive to Its really impressive. Now you get

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Speaker 1: a guy and you know, we're talking about the number

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Speaker 1: of fumbles by Baker Mayfield last year. Now, I grant

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Speaker 1: you he had other careers, had a lot of um

759
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: but I mean, because that becomes a factor absolutely, And

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Speaker 1: people will point to Joe Burrow, you know, because he

761
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: was very small as well, but he was over nine.

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Speaker 1: You know, nine is rock bottom, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: think Burrow was nine and a quarter. You mentioned Mayfield,

764
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Speaker 1: Tom mac shade of the study because his pick a

765
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: talk has been so much. He went back in the

766
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks over the last twenty years. Who's under nine that's

767
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: had a good career. There's one. It's Michael Vick. And

768
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Speaker 1: Michael Vick and he had some other trump cards, you know.

769
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that that's something to be said

770
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Speaker 1: for that. Now Tannehill was brow Baker. I mean, it

771
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't mean that well Pickett's got no chance.

772
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that at all. But if I were

773
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Speaker 1: Kenning Pickett, I would rather Saint Straft to me than

774
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Speaker 1: the Steelers, you know what I mean? Just in terms

775
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: of whether you have to deal with them whatnot? Right

776
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: and hewears two gloves. I mean that's on purpose. Yeah. Um,

777
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Speaker 1: some of the others we mentioned earlier about about Johan Dotson, Um, Jamison,

778
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Speaker 1: Jamison Williams, hundred seventy nine pounds, nine and a quarter

779
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Speaker 1: hands size, Chris and lave A d eighty seven, six

780
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: ft nine and a half hands, All those are fine

781
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Speaker 1: for those guys. There's guys absolutely absolutely Uh. You know,

782
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Speaker 1: Drake London comes in at six three and three quarters

783
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Speaker 1: just about two nineteen nine and three three eight inch hands,

784
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Speaker 1: seventy seven and three quarter wingspan. Yeah, those are impressively

785
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Speaker 1: basketball player at USC and he looks like it. You know,

786
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Speaker 1: funding to about how he for combat catches our combat Um,

787
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: you hear so much about combat catches, Matt. I don't

788
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: want to say or they overrated, but you know the

789
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 1: downside if you will or canby is. I think Chase

790
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: Claypool is a perfect example. He's not winning a lot

791
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Speaker 1: of combat catches and and what surprises me he doesn't

792
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: use his size to the fullest. He does appear to

793
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: high point she's doing a little bit of the falls

794
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: Bury flop. Now falling up on the ground a lot, right,

795
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: and and and he is not a he has not

796
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: been a successful combat catch guy. Um. And this part

797
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: of it, though, goes back to being able. You were

798
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: talking about Michael Pittman. I think always order was, who

799
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Speaker 1: did you say has a guy in his hip off London? Right?

800
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Speaker 1: He's very impressive, but he doesn't have that that degree

801
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: is separating that some of these that the Dotsons do

802
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: or loves or those type of guys. You get away

803
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: with that in college football get away with that nearly

804
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: as much, not nearly as much. I mean, certainly Aaron

805
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: Rodgers will throw back shoulder fades too, you know when

806
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: we get to come to that. And the ball placement

807
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Speaker 1: at this level is unbelievably good, and that was a

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Speaker 1: great deal. And hey, I'm gonna cite some of my experience.

809
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Speaker 1: I saw every game with Cheryl, played a pit in

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Speaker 1: every practice, and I went and of course I watched

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Speaker 1: all his high school tape too. And Larry wasn't the

812
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Speaker 1: fastest either. I mean, he was a contested catch superstar,

813
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: but that's rare, you know what I mean. I mean,

814
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Speaker 1: he still was a good sider, but the way that

815
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Speaker 1: he could shield defenders and times jump. That's why I

816
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: think Claypool's missing. Is that that timing of when when people,

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Speaker 1: you know, you said the word high point. I'm not

818
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: sure exactly people understand what that means. Like when I

819
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Speaker 1: leave my feet to go get the ball, what's the

820
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: highest I can get my body? Can I time that

821
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: where the ball is? Right? I mean, it's exactly right.

822
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: And I learned some things from Larry two with that.

823
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Speaker 1: I always picked his brain and he said a lot

824
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Speaker 1: of these receivers will have tells where Claypool's eyes might

825
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: be looking for the ball too early, you know, telling

826
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Speaker 1: the d back it's coming. I mean the receiver's coach

827
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Speaker 1: would know that. I don't know what the issues are.

828
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Speaker 1: I do know the ground a lot, and that's that's

829
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Speaker 1: not a good sign. No, no, I agree, And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I can't remember if we talked about this

831
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Speaker 1: yesterday or not, um, because I've talked about it with

832
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: so many different people have asked about it. Um. It's

833
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Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons, but not the only reason,

834
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Speaker 1: but one of the reasons why I believe they need

835
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Speaker 1: to resign Smith Schuster. I've changed my good point. Yeah,

836
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Speaker 1: I mean they need they need him in that wide

837
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Speaker 1: receiver room. Otherwise it's it's Deante Johnson and Chase Claypool

838
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: and and they'll be a rookie. Yeah, they're not a

839
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: good situation. And I know Ray Ray mcclaude. Of course

840
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: they have to resign him. I think I think he's

841
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: restricted free agent. I don't think he's exactly but um,

842
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: and and they need leaders on on offense. They don't

843
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: have any. They don't have any. I think Juju can

844
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: feel that role. But I I think it's uh because

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Speaker 1: dret one, now you're talking about a rookie, another young

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Speaker 1: guy in that room. Yeah, um, I I think I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's incumbent on them to resign Juju. You know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's you know, they paid him nine

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Speaker 1: million one year. Nine million is past year, so you

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Speaker 1: give them to or eleven, you know, something like that

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Speaker 1: over a two year deal. Right, exactly? Did he put

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Speaker 1: enough on tape that other teams are gonna bang down

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Speaker 1: the door for him? They didn't rebably not you know.

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Speaker 1: You know, Um, I think he's mostly a slot which

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Speaker 1: turns people a little too. But I think or kind

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Speaker 1: of like our Bengals conversation, they don't have much invested

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Speaker 1: in that room at the moment. I'm sure they'll extend

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Speaker 1: Deonte at some point, but they have the cat move

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Speaker 1: room to do it. And boy, I like the toughness

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Speaker 1: Juju brings absolutely you. You know, you want one thing

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Speaker 1: that when the talks about with why can't see hers

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Speaker 1: run the ball um? They're peripheral blockers. The non no

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Speaker 1: lineman weren't so great. I mean, Raby McLeod isn't blocking anyone.

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Speaker 1: Deante is not blocking anyone, and Claypool has been very

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Speaker 1: disappointing with his back. I expected him to be great

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Speaker 1: at because of his size. I would say that ray

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Speaker 1: Ray McLeod at least is a little bit more willing

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Speaker 1: for the point that even last year they would put

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Speaker 1: him in not just past year, the year before, they

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Speaker 1: would put in more in run formations than some of

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Speaker 1: the other guys, right, you know for that right at

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Speaker 1: times of alexactly, Juju Juju is reliable, he's dependable, he's

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Speaker 1: tough and for the most party shorthanded, let's face it,

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Speaker 1: catch us the ball in traffic quite a bit. Now,

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Speaker 1: I like what's on that? Well, that's gonna do it

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