1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is n All. They 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: producer Paul Mission controlled decond. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: want you to know. It's the top of the week, 10 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: which means we are returning with some strange news for you. 11 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: We've got some got some motives about possibly some ghosts. 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: We've got some sketchy arrest and billionaires. Uh. We also 13 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: have an underreported story from here in the United States. 14 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: Matt I proposed that since we just did two stories 15 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: last week, we start with your story today. How's that sound. 16 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: Absolutely let us do this. And as you said, it 17 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: is an underreported story. It takes place in a fairly 18 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: small town called Mead, Nebraska. In our last Strange News episode, 19 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: we did a bit of a call out to everyone 20 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: there in Mead, So let's begin by kind of taking 21 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: you there. If you pull up Mead, Nebraska, on a map, 22 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 1: you can see that it's kind of in between Lincoln, 23 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: Nebraska and Omaha, Nebraska. But if you're if you drew 24 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: a line between those two major cities, it would kind 25 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: of be northwest from the center of that line. It's 26 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: really small too, right, It's a very very very small town. Yes, 27 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: And we are specifically going to be talking about this 28 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: tiny little town and an energy company that is by 29 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: car about two point six two point seven miles away, 30 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: directly to the south of the town. And we're pulling 31 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: from a story out of The Guardian is written by 32 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: Carrie Gillham on January of this year. Here is the headline. 33 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: There's a red flag here. That's a quotation how an 34 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: ethanol plant is dangerously polluting a US village. Okay, so 35 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: we've talked before on numerous episodes. Specifically, I'm thinking about 36 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 1: the one where we talked about the movie Dark Waters 37 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: and we interviewed a gentleman who was looking into that 38 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: story for a long time. We've talked before about pollutants 39 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: that can come as a side effect of of energy 40 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: production of you know what we talked about in the 41 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: livestock industry episodes of Manufacture. Well, yeah, manufacturing, feeding lots 42 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: and lots of animals that produce a bunch of byproduct, racking, fracking. 43 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: We've talked about a lot of these problems where there's 44 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: something that occurs because of a manufacturing process and then 45 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: that thing, that one chemical, then causes great damage to 46 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: the surrounding area. And in cases like that episode we 47 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: did previously, you're talking about pollutants that stay around forever. 48 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: And just a quick reminder, even for myself, the dark 49 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: Waters was the material that was used to make teflon 50 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: to make non stick pans, and essentially the company actually 51 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: covered up some studies that they internally had done to 52 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: show that this material did leach into soil and stick 53 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: around longer than anyone would have liked, and and and 54 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, showed proof that there were dangerous effects on humans. Correct, 55 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: And the bad guys had a lot of money in 56 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: that scenario. Matt, tell me, history is not repeating itself. 57 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: History isn't necessarily repeating itself, but it is. This story 58 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: is if you took that story and then put on 59 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: top of it the Clothian and in stories that we 60 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: talked about with the disappearing be populations across the world, 61 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: neo nicotinoids. Puld take those two smash them together. That's 62 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: what this story is. So there is a company called 63 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: alt n as an alternative or alternative energy, So alt 64 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: end this energy company that's very close there to me Nebraska. 65 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: They create biofuel, specifically ethanol. This is something that gets 66 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: mixed in a lot of times with the gasoline, the 67 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: fuel that you'd purchased at any gas station for your 68 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: vehicle that that uses petroleum. They use plants like corn. 69 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: We've talked about a lot of the high starch greens. Uh, 70 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: they use those. And one specific thing that they use 71 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: at this plant that a lot of other places don't 72 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: are seeds that are coded. Okay, so they're coded in 73 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: something that is specifically meant to prevent those seeds from 74 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: being eaten by other pests. You know. These is pesticides. Um, 75 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: these things are coded in this stuff, every one of them. 76 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: And what Alton does is they quote recycle these seeds, 77 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: essentially clean them, make them ready for use in the 78 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: ethanol creation process. The problem is there is a waste 79 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: byproduct of these pesticides that we're coding the seeds. And 80 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: what Alton has been doing is or at least what 81 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,559 Speaker 1: they're accused of doing. And what there's an investigation into 82 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: right now is that there are large deposits of these 83 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: these waste products, these pesticide waste products that are just 84 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: kind of sitting there on the land that we're building 85 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: up over time, and that ended up seeping into the groundwater, 86 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: seeping into the local waterways, and they were making local 87 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: residents and animals very very sick. It's interesting, though, right, 88 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: because I mean, even the process or the type of 89 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: fuel as is supposed to be more environmentally friendly, right, 90 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: that's the whole idea. In some ways, it is. In 91 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: a lot of ways it is. And this, you know, 92 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: this isn't necessarily a bad idea. Alton is making use 93 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: of these these codd seeds in a way that they 94 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't be used otherwise, and they would just end up 95 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: being placed somewhere if they were no longer viable for planting, right, 96 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: they would just be discarded somewhere, and probably the same 97 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: process would be happening just somewhere else. The problem is 98 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: there's so many of these seeds in one place, and 99 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: there's so much of this waste by product being generated 100 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: through the process of recycling that it's almost like you're 101 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: getting a massive concentration of it in one spot. And 102 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: just just for background here or saying pesticides, we'd earlier 103 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: said Neo nicketinoids. Uh it is oddly enough, it is 104 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: what it sounds like. Uh. There's sometimes called neonyx. I 105 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: believe as well, matt Um. These these things have been 106 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: a known issue for some time. But the two quick 107 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: points I wanted to interject is that first, uh, something 108 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: like these pesticides are a big part of why we 109 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: have reliable food production. Uh, there are a thousand problems 110 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: with it. Uh. In second, like we said in an 111 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: earlier episode or segment, I can't remember. Yes, everything in 112 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: the US runs on corn. We've figured out how to 113 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: make corn a fuel, but it sounds like we're not 114 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: cleaning it the way we need to are cleaning agricultural 115 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: products in general. Yes, and and in this case it 116 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: is a matter of cleaning. It's just what do you 117 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: do with that stuff that's left over after it's cleaned. 118 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: And I mean to add another kind of bizarre layer 119 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: to this, you know, the whole idea of something that 120 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: is supposed to be good for the environment clearly causing 121 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: some problems. They have asked or sort of like position 122 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: to themselves as a quote unquote recycling center for other companies, 123 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: other farms to bring them these non viable seeds that 124 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: are like they're referred to as pesticide laden seeds are 125 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: treated rather um and and and essentially what it does 126 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: is it gives them kind of a supply of free 127 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: supply chain so they can like say, oh, well, we're 128 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: going to recycle them. But also, uh, they still have 129 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: to deal with that waste product because you can't actually 130 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: feed these grains to animals anymore, right, that's right. And 131 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: and there's this weird thing going on here, at least 132 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: according to the Guardian article, where Alton is distributing this 133 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: stuff out and they're they're calling it almost a product 134 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: that they're distributing it out to um two farms around 135 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: their area. They're calling it a soil conditioner. And this 136 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: is including some of these byproducts, and they're also accumulating 137 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: a ton of it on the grounds of their plant 138 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: where where they're functioning. So so you're you're saying, Okay, 139 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: this sounds bad. It's some kind of chemical. We don't 140 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: want that in, you know, our animals or our bodies 141 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: what's the effect. Well, residents they are in Mead, Nebraska, 142 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: have been noticing a couple of things. If started with 143 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: a smell just kind of strange, Yeah, a stench that 144 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: they that they weren't normally used to there. Um, it 145 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: was almost as if something was rotting. And that would 146 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: make sense because the process to create these this alcohol, 147 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: this ethanol is to ferment the seeds and the other 148 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: grains that they're using there. That would make a lot 149 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: of sense. But then there's this other thing, Um, irritation 150 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: of the eyes, irritation of the throat, nosebleeds that were 151 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: coming on out of nowhere. Uh. Then they were noticing 152 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: that bees were dying off all around the place, including 153 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: in um in the University of Nebraska, which is down 154 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: there by Lincoln. They were noticing the populations were dying off, 155 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: butterflies were disappearing. Uh, dogs other pets were getting all 156 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: disoriented and getting very sick. Um they noticed dilated pupils 157 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: was one specific thing in these pets that there were 158 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: causing very a lot of concern really, and here's why 159 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency, gives you know, a 160 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: safe measure of how many pollutants can be in any water. Right, 161 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: We've talked about this before. Anytime you're drinking tap water, 162 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: there's stuff in there, but it is so small in 163 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: the you know, x parts per billion that you are 164 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: very much likely not going to be injured by that 165 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: if you consume a regular amount of water, which is 166 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: not normal in other parts of the world. We're very 167 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: lucky in that regard. Yeah, it's the same way there's 168 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: like an allowable level of ground up cockroaches that can 169 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: be found in coffee grounds or rat feces in various products. 170 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: But uh, but you're right, Uh, you're absolutely right, Matt. 171 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: So you know, before we get into the urban legends 172 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: about the percentage of spiders allowed in cereal boxes or whatever, 173 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: what are the specific parts per billion of these neo 174 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: nikos anoids in question? Well, i'll read directly from the 175 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: article here. So the the neonics that are allowable within 176 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: a water source food and water sources are seventy parts 177 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: per billion. You're allowed to have seventy parts per billion 178 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: parts of neonics in a source for it to be 179 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: safe and um, generally there's there are more specifics there 180 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: you could go into, depending on exactly which which pest 181 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: aside in that class you're talking about. But let's just 182 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: use seventy parts per billion as our benchmark here. Uh. 183 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: They're also benchmarks for aquatic life within freshwater. Who were 184 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: you know, the aquatic life that's exposed to this kind 185 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: of thing. Um, and this is specifically for invertebrates. Then 186 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: the the neonic known as clothian ad in, the benchmark 187 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: is eleven parts per billion. And for another one called 188 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: thia metho sam that's what it's called. Uh, that is 189 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: seventeen point five parts pervillion, So very very very low 190 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: amounts are allowable and safe. Here's what they're finding at 191 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: the alt end wastewater lagoon. Cloth the end it in 192 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: came in at thirty one thousand parts per billion in 193 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: this wastewater lagoon which is sitting there, which then leaches 194 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: into water sources throughout, albeit at a much smaller concentration 195 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: after it's getting filtered through soil, filtered through other things. 196 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: But there's still going to be a much larger amount 197 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: of cloth the indi in in that water. Thio methoxum, 198 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: the one I just tried to pronounce and failed, Okay, 199 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: at twenty four thousand parts per billion and there's another 200 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: one that is dangerous that was also found in the lagoon, 201 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: which was at twelve parts pervillion, which isn't quite as 202 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: crazy high, but it's not great. And there's another one 203 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: here it's called Oh Lord, here we go. Yeah, I 204 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: excited again, ben Uh, let's go with amedically prid just 205 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: because that makes it rhyme a little bit that may 206 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: be mispronounced though, So amdical prid there's a lot. You're 207 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: allowed to have zero point three eight five parts per 208 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: billion in your water, and they found in that lagoon 209 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: there there was three hundred and twelve parts per billion. 210 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: Not great, but that wastewater lagloon isn't even the worst part. 211 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: If you look at parts of the soil on the property, 212 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: parts of where they're storing some of this stuff, this 213 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: is what they found. Clothe inident was at four hundred 214 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: and twenty seven thousand parts per billion. Thiamathoxen was was 215 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: detected at eighty five thousand, one hundred parts per billion. 216 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: Now that is that's terrible, and those high numbers are 217 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: obviously because they are literally taking that stuff off of 218 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: their product and placing it there. Right, That's why you've 219 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: got these major league high things. It becomes scary when 220 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: you put those two together, and then you think about 221 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: the surrounding area and all of the human beings that 222 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: live there and all the pets, and it just seems dangerous. 223 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: And there there is an investigation going on. The problem is, 224 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: as we've seen before, it's difficult to have a lot 225 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: of movement or to get a lot of movement and 226 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: a lot of action to occur when something like this 227 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: is happening. The good thing is we actually have an 228 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: update about what's happening now. Yeah, there is some potential 229 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: light at the end of the toxic corn tunnel phrase 230 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: will just make up. Uh So, Alton took over this plant, 231 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: this ethanol plant existed before they took over in two 232 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: thousand ten, and just last week, as we record today, 233 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: the Nebraska Department of Environment and Energy gave the company 234 00:14:54,120 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: Alton two months to remove the toxic materials from the 235 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: plant at least. But the problem is, I mean, that's 236 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: good news, right, but the problems the problem is the 237 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: pollution has Elvis Presley style left the building already? Right? 238 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: You can you can clean up the you can clean 239 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: up the mess in the barn where the horse took 240 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: a crap. But if the horse already left and is 241 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: now just crapping all around Nebraska and what estimates say 242 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: as far as western Oklahoma, perhaps you're I don't know, 243 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: how do you? I I don't know the science behind 244 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: how you would go about cleaning the entirety of the 245 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: area once that, like you said, once that groundwater leaches out. Yeah, 246 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the closest thing you could maybe 247 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: compare it to you would be the way some of 248 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: these quote unquote superfund sites are dealt with places where 249 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: legacy nuclear waste is stored, and there's you know, these 250 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: like mandates from the US government to clean up those sites, 251 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: and they're monitored over time. But that's that's the key 252 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: is it takes time. There's not just like a one 253 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: quick fix kind of like okay, now we're all good. 254 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: It's like an ongoing process. The other big problem is 255 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: right there and meat. You're smack dab in the middle 256 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: of just tons of land that produces food, produces animals 257 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: and plants, mostly plants, and it's you know, if it 258 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: gets further far enough down the chain there, you're just 259 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: gonna have pollution for a while. The other big problem 260 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: is in twenty nineteen, there was massive flooding that occurred 261 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: in Meat, Nebraska in the surrounding areas. And if you've 262 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: got any kind of storage of these materials on land 263 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: and flooding comes through there, it just immediately gets shoved 264 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: back into the water systems and then taken and carried 265 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: further out. It's just it's it's not great. I don't 266 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: have a lot more to add on this, guys, and 267 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: I know we need to move on soon. I just wanna, 268 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, put this message out to the folks in Meat, 269 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: Nebraska in the surrounding areas. If you've seen any of 270 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: this stuff, if you've got you know, pets that were affected, 271 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: if you've been affected at your family, we would love 272 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: to hear from you. Uh, you can always write to 273 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: us conspiracy at I heart radio dot com. You've got 274 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: our number. You'll hear that at the end. You can 275 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: call us. Um, we'd love to know your story. And 276 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: if there's anything you know you think they can help, 277 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: or anything we need to know or to tell your 278 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists about, just just talk to us. Oh 279 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: and if you are in a similar situation dealing with 280 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: something like this in your neck of the global woods, 281 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: whether in the US or abroad, we want to hear 282 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: your story as well, because this kind of stuff happens 283 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: under the headlines, you know, just under the fold of 284 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: the proverbial newspaper around the world every day, and there 285 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: are genuine conspiracies to cover it up. Last thing to 286 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: the people of all to end Um, I would just say, 287 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: I think everybody here knows you weren't trying to do this. 288 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: You're trying to do something good by like saving some 289 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: money and maybe even cycling some of these materials they 290 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: were dangerous. Um. What I what I The last thing 291 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: I would say to to you is that you should 292 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: update your website because if you go to all to 293 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: ethanol dot com, which is the all too in Ethanol site, 294 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: and you scroll down a little bit, you get to 295 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: the about us part, uh, you can see that it's 296 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: the website hasn't been finished yet. Um, like an under 297 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: construction gift like from the old Geo cities pages. No, 298 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: it's got it's got pictures from what looks like it 299 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: could be there their process. But it says grab interest, 300 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: say something interesting about your business here. Generate excitement. What's 301 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: something exciting your business has to offer. At least they 302 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: actually put some words in there. Man, I I hear 303 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: what you're saying about, Like, you know, good on them 304 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: for trying to do a good thing. Part there there 305 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: is the like, you know, dead inside part of me 306 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: that's like nobody really cares about the environment when it 307 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: comes to stuff. They're just looking at a niche and 308 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: they're gonna try to make money. And a lot of 309 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: this stuff is probably the results of being a little 310 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: bit lazy in the effort to try and make money. Maybe, 311 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: but you've got to think a lot of people who 312 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: work there probably live very close and in the area 313 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: and there are probably being affected. So you know, it's 314 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: a good point, and they probably had no idea this 315 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: was you know, this effect was coming from what they 316 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: were doing. So just thinking about those folks. Yeah, okay, 317 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: I I think that's it. Guys. I think we'll need 318 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: to move on. Now. We'll take a quick word from 319 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: our sponsor and we'll be right back. Quick note for 320 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: today's segment. Uh, we are not native Russian speakers, and 321 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: so you will hear us pronounce the name Navalny a 322 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: couple of different ways. So just though that we're aware 323 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: of it, and the correct pronunciation is indeed, and we 324 00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: have returned in the globe of your mind for or 325 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: the flat disc. If that's your thing, let's let's spin. 326 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: Let's give it a turn from me Nebraska to Russia. 327 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: Where as you might have heard, dissident reporter Alexei Novelty 328 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: has once again been arrested. Uh. And this story gets 329 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: real spooky, real quick. So let me give you guys 330 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: the bullet points and let's you know, we can toss 331 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: some questions about because I think this will interest you, 332 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: and I think it will interest you as well, dear 333 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist. So Alexei Novelty is not friends with Putin. 334 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: Unlike many journalists who are not friends with Vladimir Putin, 335 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: Alexei Novelty is alive. Uh. And I guess he's careful 336 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: around bolonium and third story windowscot. They're never gonna let 337 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: me into this country after this one. But he got 338 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: really lucky on a plane, and he got very very 339 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: lucky on plane. He's also a I would say less 340 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: actually I would see less a journalist and more in 341 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: opposition activists out and out. Uh. He wants to fight 342 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: what he sees as corruption in Russia. Just last year 343 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his work. 344 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: Like he's it's not like he had nothing on us. 345 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: But it's not like he's just making a podcast, you know, 346 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: which you know, we worked hard. Uh. So Novelty himself 347 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: was originally in trouble with the government, not for well 348 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: they would say, not for his opposition stuff, but for embezzlement, 349 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: and he was warned against. Uh, he was warned against 350 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: returning to Moscow. He was arrested in Moscow airport. Uh 351 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: this Sunday as we record this, and we are recording 352 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: this on January nine, which still feels weird to say. 353 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: Novel he had a video posted a uh like around 354 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: the time of his arrest where he said, don't be 355 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: afraid take to the streets. Don't do it for me, 356 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: do it for yourselves and your future. And you can 357 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: see that video at least for now on YouTube. Uh. 358 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: There is a nationwide protest planned on January twenty three. Uh. 359 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: Novelty was like arrested right as he returned from Germany. 360 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: He's technically in custody for thirty days. Why was he 361 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: in Germany, Well, he was recovering from a bad case 362 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: of poison, which he blamed on Can you guess we 363 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: all get one guess it's not Elvis Presley to start 364 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: with a P. It does start with a P. Like 365 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: I gotta say, I gotta say as much beef as 366 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: we you know, maybe can have from time to time 367 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: with our country. It is nice that we don't have 368 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: to label journalists as dissidents and that you typically don't 369 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: have to fear for your life if you write a 370 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: mean article about the government right right for now. But yes, please, yes, 371 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: But it's a very good point. That's a very good 372 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: point because Novelty is you know, he's out and out 373 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: again more at opposition leader and activists. But he's been 374 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: treated just like a dissident journalist. So Putin's spokesperson refused 375 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: to answer a lot of questions about Novelty. He recently 376 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: only referred to the guy as the Berlin patient. Uh, 377 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: there's a press conference that was being held by the 378 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: foreign ministers Sergil Lavrov. Lavrov accused all Western governments of 379 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: quote using this arrest to distract from problems in their 380 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: own countries, and he said Russian officials are just following 381 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: the law. I don't know why you guys are making 382 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: a big thing about this. He didn't say that last sentence. 383 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing. He meant it, That's what he was kidding at. Yeah. 384 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: Uh so they know that international experts determined that Novelty 385 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: was poisoned was something called nova chalk, which we mentioned 386 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: in an earlier episode. That's a chemical weapon that was 387 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: developed by the Soviet Union. But the the Kremlin says 388 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: they had nothing to do with it. Uh. Putin did 389 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: also in a in a beautiful sideways mentioned he so 390 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: good at these things. He said, you know, I've I've 391 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: also kind of heard novel Andy worked for US intelligence 392 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: and uh still he wasn't It was too insignificant for 393 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: anyone to want to kill him. Such a weird brush off. Yeah, 394 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: but then we we we mentioned the the investigation that 395 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: he in, Belling Cat and several other organizations put together 396 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: where they allegedly telephoned that FSB agent or associate and 397 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: then came that person came clean about poisoning the underwear. 398 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: I believe the insides of the underwear of Novelty, or 399 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: at least dosing it weird stuff. Yeah, yeah, it was. 400 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: It was the good old underwear poisoning good old Navachuk 401 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: in the underwear. Well, here's what here's what happened. This 402 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: is pretty interesting. So he's accused of breaking the probation 403 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: rules of a suspended sentence that he was given in 404 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: an embezzlement case. In this previous ruling barred him from 405 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: participating in politics due to the government's concern about him 406 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: being possibly corrupt. Uh but yeah, you're right man. In 407 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: the case of the Nava chuck, he did some excellent 408 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: social engineering, it would be called, and essentially got got 409 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,479 Speaker 1: the folks involved on record saying they were doing this. 410 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: They worked for the FSB, which is the successor of 411 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: the KGB. And he may have this is the cool thing, 412 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: the breaking news kind of thing. He may have a 413 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: dead hand of sorts. Um. Vladimir Putin has not said 414 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 1: novel in his name in public for more than a decade. 415 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: He's always called him that gentleman and recently the patient 416 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: or the Berlin patient. But today, as we were recording this, 417 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: while Novelty is in jail, it may not come out alive. 418 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: His team released a mammoth investigation into something that all 419 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: of us have been very interested in for some time, 420 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,479 Speaker 1: and that is Putin's wealth and the we're still like, 421 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm still reading up on this. I don't know if 422 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: it's an episode in the future. I honestly don't know 423 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 1: how much further we can poke this bear without the 424 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: bear poking back. Uh. But Putin has so much power. 425 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 1: No one really knows how much money has, right. You 426 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: can you can see this investigation. One of the craziest 427 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: things is a one billion dollar palace on the Black Sea. 428 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: One billion dollars. Take that, American millionaires, You're no longer 429 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: in the game. Uh. This this place has like a 430 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: five story hockey rink, it has an amphitheater, it's got 431 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: a it's got a bridge that would be impressive if 432 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: you saw it in a city. But it just goes 433 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: to a tea house. Yeah. That when what's the because 434 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: I heard there's video on this is there? What's the 435 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: best way to find this, like for everybody to find 436 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: this stuff? Yeah, so you can go to uh palace 437 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: dot navelny dot com, Palace dot in A V A 438 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: L n y dot com where you can see right up. 439 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: It's in Russian, but you can the English translation is 440 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 1: pretty good. Wow, it's a whole website. Oh, Yeah, it's 441 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: a huge it's a huge deal because I remember a 442 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: lot of people in Russia are having a very difficult 443 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: time economically now. So the footage itself was obtained by drone. 444 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: This is the from what I understand, the team that 445 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: was trying to use this drone technology to explore this. 446 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: They made three other unsuccessful attempts, because as you can imagine, 447 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: Vladimir is a little bit of a stickler when it 448 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: comes to his own security, right and so so now 449 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: the big question is was this put out with the 450 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: timing of this, was this put out in retaliation for 451 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: that arrest, retaliation from the poisoning. They obviously have been 452 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: working on this for a long long time. Is this 453 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: the beginning of something else to come? So you can 454 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: check out you can check out a write up of this, 455 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: a pretty long piece called Putin's Palace, History of the 456 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: World's Largest bribe. That bribe may now be worthless because 457 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: people know where this locate. People know the location of 458 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: this place now you know, and and it has this 459 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: just location with all the opulence and luxury that you 460 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: can see in the main buildings appears at least through 461 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: some of the photography that was taken to have a 462 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: significant underground portion to it. Oh yes, yes, and that 463 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: is the thing that you would want to keep secret, 464 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: right you could even maybe you can even make it 465 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: known that Oh yeah, well, there's a there's a presidential 466 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: palace of sorts that exists near the Black Sea here. Um, 467 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: you just don't let them know about, you know, the 468 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: bunker for when a military is involved or an attack 469 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: is involved. Um, that's I would say, that's dangerous for 470 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: for the folks who are going to be there. I 471 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: think you might be right on Ben that this is 472 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: a dead hand of some sort that got triggered. Eat 473 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: your heart out, Bond supervillains, I'm telling you, and no 474 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: ding on glamrprun I'm not saying you're a super villain 475 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: if you listen to the show. I'm just saying it's 476 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: really baller that you have a wine tasting room in 477 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: the side of a cliff with a secret door like 478 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: it's it's so amazingly extra Uh wow, So maybe we 479 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: have a another episode in the works here. How much 480 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: is Vladimir Putin actually worth? This investigation will be one 481 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: of the key pieces of research we use because there's 482 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: nothing else like it in the public sphere. I'm sure 483 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: that other intelligence agencies and NATO have something like that, 484 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: but NATO is not itself an altruistic organization either, so 485 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: you have to understand the concept of good guys in 486 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: international politics gets a little, a little weird. But yeah, 487 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: the thing that makes that's making headlines is Putin's Palace. 488 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: Do check out the documentary. But the more important thing, 489 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: I would argue is the full investigation of how this 490 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: came about, and it gives us a look into the 491 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: way that property and vacations and vapid properties are used 492 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: as a kind of corrupt currency in the world of 493 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: international relations and bribes, because you can't necessarily just handsome 494 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: one a billion dollars, but you can give them stuff, right, 495 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: Or you can take something that's worth a billion dollars 496 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: and sell it for a hundred thousand or something. I'm 497 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: just making numbers up, but that's that's what's been obsessing 498 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: obsessing me today. We'll probably follow up with this later 499 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: in the week, but we want to hear from you. 500 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: I would love to know what the most opulent thing 501 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: you've ever seen from a dictator is. Is it the 502 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: Koran that Saddam Hussein root in his own blood? Is 503 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: it is terrible works of historical romance. The entire thing 504 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: is a metaphor for him, like loving the cutting is 505 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: is it the excesses of Momar Gaddafi? Is it to 506 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: the excesses of a Western political figure? Let us know. 507 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: I love these sorts of stories. Can't wait to hear 508 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: from you, as we always say when ain't three three 509 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: st d w y t k uh if you want 510 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: to just share with me directly Eppen Bowl and hs 511 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: W on Twitter. We're gonna pause now for word from 512 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: our sponsor and we'll be back to the US with 513 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: one more piece of strange news. And we're back with 514 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: more strange news. Uh. This one's interesting. It's strange. Sure, Um, 515 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: it's a little spooky, but it just kind of cluded 516 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: me into a few things, uh that I was not 517 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: aware of. I think we're all familiar with the Lizzie 518 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: Borden story, uh, if for no other reason than that 519 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: really kind of twisted children's rhyme, uh, completely inaccurate by 520 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: the way, Um, Lizzie Borden took an axe and gave 521 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: her mother forty wax. When she saw what she had done, 522 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: she gave her father forty one. Uh, incorrect because because 523 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: only nineteen blows. Um, we were bestowed upon the mother, 524 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: Abby Borden, who was actually a stepmother if I'm not mistaken. 525 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: And then there were ten that were brutally rained down 526 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: upon the sixty nine year old Andrew Borden's head and face. Um, 527 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: he practically was discovered of his face unrecognizable, completely split 528 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: open um and absolute horror show, crime scene, and and 529 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: and a story that absolutely took the public by storm 530 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: back in eighteen ninety two. This story, uh sets it's 531 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: it's a true story in Fall River, Massachusetts. In New England, 532 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: UM and Lizzie Borden was sort of the primary suspect 533 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: of the of the murder. UM. She and her sister 534 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: apparently did not have a good relationship with their stepmother. 535 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: There was arguing over money. Um and Lizzie had the 536 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: least plausible alibi, or at the very least was the 537 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: one that was most likely to have been nearby when 538 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: it happened. So in the trial took place, a lot 539 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: of circumstantial evidence was flung at Lizzie UM and she 540 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: was ultimately acquitted. Uh. And that's sort of a story 541 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: for another day. There's a lot of interesting kind of 542 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: gender politics and just kind of norms of the time. 543 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: And also not to mention, like, you know, where we 544 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: were as a society when it comes to things like forensics. Um, 545 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: they did have like kind of rudimentary fingerprinting back in 546 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: those days, but surely nothing like what we have today. Um. 547 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: But the reason I'm even talking about Lizzie Borden, which 548 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: you may be asking yourself, is the house there were 549 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: this double murder took place, is for sale right now, 550 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: so you could be the proud owner of the Lizzie 551 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: Borden murder house, which I was unaware at all, already 552 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: is and likely will remain. A bed and breakfast actually 553 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: huge industry bed and breakfast. Yeah, quaint little murder murd 554 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: Ben and break It's hard to say murder bed and breakfast, Ben, 555 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: you say a big, big industry. I was not aware 556 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: of this. There are a lot of people who believe it. 557 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 1: At least, uh you can because you know, people might 558 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: not want to own a home that has a bloody 559 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: pass like this, but there is a not insignificant amount 560 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: of people who would love to visit for a night 561 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: because no matter what Lizzie actually did, there in the home, 562 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: two people were brutally murdered. So you can see why 563 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of other folks want to 564 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: explore it, especially those who are interested in that, you know, 565 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: that limital space between life and death. And this got 566 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: me thinking, Huh, I wonder what the laws are around, uh, 567 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: these types of of of home sales. Obviously in this one, 568 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: it's a feature and not a bug in the In 569 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: the property listing, it's described as being a turnkey operation. Um. 570 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: And the only reason that's being sold at all is 571 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 1: because the couple that's owned it for the last twenty 572 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: years would like to retire. Um. So it's apparently like 573 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: you know, it would. It's already set up, the infrastructure 574 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: is already there to continue as a bed and breakfast um, 575 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: including the intellectual property they actually because by owning the house, 576 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: they own like the legacy kind of of that I P. 577 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: Which is fascinating. Uh. And there's also merchandise they can sell. 578 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: It's a little miniature museum. Um. Here here's a quote 579 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: from the current owners. We're hoping that someone will come 580 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: in and buy and keep it as a bed and 581 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: breakfast and for tours. It's one of the most visited 582 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 1: tourist attractions in New England. It's well known all over 583 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: the world and on a normal year you have people 584 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: that come in from all over. Uh. And here's another 585 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,959 Speaker 1: interesting twist. Lizzie Borden, after she was acquitted, she lived 586 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: out the remainder of her life. Um, you know, in 587 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: the lap of luxury more or less. I mean there 588 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: was a lot of family money. They were a very 589 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: well to do New England family. Um. And she and 590 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: her sister moved to a nearby house. They didn't even 591 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: have to like go on the lamb or like get 592 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: out of town. I I've always loved the idea of 593 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: living in a house with a name, and this is 594 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: this is a doozy. This house was called Maple Croft, um, 595 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: and it was nearby and it is also for sale, 596 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: so you could buy not only the house where the 597 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: murders took place, but Lizzie Borden's residence when she herself 598 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: passed away. I have a have a question, Yeah, what's 599 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: the what's the breakfast like at the Airbnb? A good question. 600 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm assuming brains and eggs perhaps. Uh. I always feel 601 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: disappointed when you go to a bed and breakfast and 602 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: there's just like the continental breakfast. Yeah, it's in the name, man, 603 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: you gotta like really give it a little bit of 604 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: extra attention. Uh. And also not to mention the whole 605 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: issue of the idea. I mean, it's in a key 606 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,240 Speaker 1: and peel sketch, but a continental breakfast just sounds so 607 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: fancy and bougie, and you realize it's just like a 608 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: couple of serial dispensers and like a basket of muffins, 609 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: and that's all it takes for it to be a 610 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: continental break Surely we've seen various, you know, grades of 611 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: continental breakfast, but the bare minimum for a continental breakfast 612 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 1: is not much. Uh. Don't don't let me a realist either. 613 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm just the breakfast. The breakfast talk is very important then. Um, 614 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: But like I said, it did get me thinking, you know, 615 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: what are the laws about disclosing these kinds of things, 616 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: you know, if you're a realtor obviously, and like I said, 617 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: in these can in these situations, it's something that you 618 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: know that's right out there on the open. It's on 619 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: the name of the house. Practically might as well be 620 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: called the you know, Lizzie Boorden Murderer Bed and Breakfasts 621 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: you know. Um, but the other situations that would not 622 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: be the case. You might not want to tell a 623 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: newlywed couple that, you know, a murder suicide took place 624 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: in their first home that they're gonna buy, and and uh, 625 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, raise their family and or whatever. Uh. And 626 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: it turns out a very state by state and and 627 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: the name for these types of properties is in and 628 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: of itself very interesting. These are referred to as stigmatized properties. 629 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: And they're essentially uh properties where because of some sort 630 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: of undesirable events, whether emotional or psychological, uh, people might 631 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: consider them to be tainted in some way. Um. And 632 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 1: they're divided into very interesting categories as well. For example, 633 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: think about like the O. J. Simpson home in Los Angeles, 634 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: that'd be a good one. UM. Okay, So murder or 635 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: suicide stigma, it's pretty self explanatory. Apparently, about forty of Americans, 636 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: according to an article in the Huffington Post, believe that 637 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: when there is a violent act such as murder or 638 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: suicide that takes place in the home, that the ghosts 639 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: or spirits of the murdered or you know, expired souls 640 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: will remain in the house. Uh. Of Americans, but here's 641 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: the thing. Most states actually don't require the disclosure of 642 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: a murder or suicide in a home um. But it's 643 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: also illegal for a real letor to knowingly mislead a buyer. 644 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: So if the buyer has done their homework and they ask, 645 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: the seller can't be like, no, no, nothing to see here. 646 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: That's absolutely not true. But did someone die in this house? Sir? Well? 647 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: What is what is life? Exactly? What is his life? 648 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: Have you seen the crown molding though, let's focus. Oh 649 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: my gosh, gorgeous cabinet tree um as Joe, Oh my god, 650 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: have you seen this mudroom? I just recently found out 651 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: what a mud room is a room. A mudroom is 652 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: a room like an entry way when you come into 653 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: the house and there's a little room where you like 654 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,760 Speaker 1: take off your boots and like maybe there's little hooks 655 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 1: to hang your coats on and stuff, and sometimes cubbies 656 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: or something for the kids. It's more for northern climates, right, 657 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: you can expect a certain amount of snowy with and 658 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: all that. But it's also kind of considered a fancy 659 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: add on. Some people get them remodeled because it's like 660 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: considered a little bit an upgrade. Um. But here here's 661 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,959 Speaker 1: an interesting one to public intrigue stigma. So that would 662 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 1: be something like a popular shooting location for a TV show. UM. 663 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,399 Speaker 1: Finding a lot of this information from a site called 664 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: omega home dot com. Um that that lists all of 665 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: these laws state by state. Uh. And they used the 666 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: example of the breaking bad home in um Albuquerque, New Mexico. 667 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: You know, the one where he throws the pizza on 668 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: the roof and all that. Apparently that was a thing 669 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: people would constantly come by and throw a pizza on 670 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,839 Speaker 1: the roof and a family just lives there. Uh. And 671 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: and they found it to be an absolute nuisance. Uh. 672 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: And they became quote fearful to leave the property unattended 673 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: and had to install a metal fence to keep all 674 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 1: these lucky lose away. Um. Let's get into the next one, 675 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,280 Speaker 1: which I think was really particularly interesting for for this show, 676 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: paranormal activity stigma. Okay, so that sort of ties into 677 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 1: murder suicide, especially since a lot of times, I mean, 678 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: I think you could be anti living in a murder 679 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: suicide house even if you weren't like superstitious about you know, 680 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: ghosts or paranormal activities. I think it would maybe just 681 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: maybe you could be superstitious, just like oh it's bad luck, 682 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: but not necessarily believe that it's haunted. But here's the thing. 683 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 1: Real litor dot com conducted a survey and found that 684 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: fort of people would not consider moving into a house 685 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: that was purported to be haunted. Oh and only four 686 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: states require disclosure. Is one of them Massachusetts? Uh yeah, 687 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: it's Minnesota, Massachusetts, Jersey, and New York. See. I figured, 688 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: for some reason Massachusetts to strike me as a place 689 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: where like cent of America's haunted houses probably are. It's 690 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 1: also it's got such a long history in this country, 691 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, and and a long history with things like 692 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: witchcraft in the paranormal um. But yeah, of people survey, 693 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: so they wouldn't move into a house that was considered haunted. 694 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: And and here's my question. When it comes to hauntings 695 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 1: and all of that, don't you have to consider the source, 696 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: Like what would you consider to be a like a 697 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: reliable source for whether or not a house was haunted, 698 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: just like neighborhood kids, you know, whispering around the you know, 699 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: on their bikes, or like you need something a little 700 00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: more serious than that, you need to have it like 701 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,839 Speaker 1: exercise or like some kind of like you know, Amityville 702 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 1: type situation. What would it take for you guys to 703 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: consider a house as maybe probably definitely haunted a properly 704 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: trained exorcist, uh with you know, within the Catholic church 705 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: and dogma. We'd get that person at least one. We 706 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: would need someone probably who practices Santa Ria uh to 707 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: also show up and check the house. And once once 708 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 1: those two professionals have gone through and either cleared or 709 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, made me aware that something has gone on 710 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,760 Speaker 1: that I can then I can definitely buy the house. 711 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: Once we can prove that something has happened. Oh so 712 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: you want this, Matt, you want to move into a 713 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: haunted house? That okay? All right? I would say, first I, 714 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: you guys know how I feel about gentrifications, So I 715 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: would be very hesitant to gentrify a spirit, especially if 716 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: they were there beforehand. What right do I have just 717 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: because I got the kind of coupons that are in 718 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: vogue nowadays? Uh. To answer the question, there, there's a 719 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: great scientific angle we can look at. If anybody hasn't 720 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: checked out our earlier episode of ghost and in for 721 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: a sound, I would I would look into any possible 722 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 1: acoustic anomalies or maybe geomagnetic anomalies, Uh, any kind of pollution. Like, 723 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: to me, it doesn't matter whether or not there's a 724 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: quote unquote ghost. It matters that there are things that 725 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: are indicative of unpleasant experiences that might be considered a haunting. 726 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: But I I see, like, if there's a spirit there 727 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 1: in a house, and I, you know, despite the fact 728 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,359 Speaker 1: that there's no universally approved upon proof of ghosts, if 729 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 1: I feel like there's a ghost there, then I would 730 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 1: just try to get along with it, you know what 731 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: I mean. I'm not gonna hassle anything. The story of 732 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: the human species is filled with tales of people getting 733 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: along with the supernatural. You know, a little saucer or 734 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 1: milk out there for the cobold or whatever, you know, 735 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 1: or the fairy that they I would just I would 736 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 1: just make friends with it if I thought there was 737 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: something there. Yeah, it's interesting. Um, you're right man. Massachusetts, Ohio, 738 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:14,879 Speaker 1: and Minnesota have specific men language uh saying that, uh, 739 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 1: the the seller need not disclose parapsychological or supernatural phenomenon. Um. 740 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: It's not that they have a law, it's just that 741 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: it's actually mentioned. So this one in particular. I hate 742 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: to tell you any first time homebuyers, we were getting 743 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: cold feet. You can't claim haunting to get out of 744 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: your your your escrow. Oh yes, sir, that's that's why. 745 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, the the New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts 746 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: of Minnesota are the only ones I know of that 747 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: say that deal with paranormal activity in any way in 748 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: their disclosure laws. But they definitely don't all treat it 749 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: all the same. I was not aware of Ohio. I 750 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,319 Speaker 1: thought they were just four. Yep, that's what I've got 751 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: here in this uh omega article. Next we've got an 752 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: obvious one criminals digma. So this would be like if 753 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,839 Speaker 1: your house was I mean, this could also fall under 754 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: things like environmental if your house was formerly a meth lab, 755 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, and there could potentially be some contamination left 756 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: over from that. But the criminal stigma is is first 757 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,240 Speaker 1: and foremost in terms of you know, uh, the idea 758 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: of maybe this house is marked. Uh, if there's has 759 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: a reputation, perhaps there could be some blowback from criminal 760 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: enterprises or people knowing where the house is. That's where 761 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: my mind would go if if I knew that that 762 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 1: my house had been used as a you know, uh, 763 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: some sort of like headquarters for criminal activity. I'd be wondering, 764 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 1: is there some crazy stuff buried beneath the floorboards if 765 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: someone's gonna be coming back looking for you know, I 766 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: would be concerned about that. I think that's a legit one. 767 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: Then you have debt stigma um, and that's you know, 768 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,319 Speaker 1: just what exactly what it sounds like the home. Maybe 769 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 1: future owners might uh be contacted. But this is the 770 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: kind of thing that title searches, which is actually what 771 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: my good friend Frank does for a living, where people 772 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: actually look up the the chain of city for a 773 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: property and make sure there aren't any loans or I'm sorry, 774 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,399 Speaker 1: there aren't any outstanding leans from previous owners or things 775 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 1: that have like kind of you know, move forward through 776 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: the chain of custody, because that would be something that 777 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,799 Speaker 1: a new buyer would be responsible for. So when you 778 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,840 Speaker 1: look at a new property, especially if you're like a 779 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: prospect or trying to flip houses, you get a title 780 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: searched on on that house, especially if you buy it 781 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 1: like on a oh like a foreclosure for example, you'd 782 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: want to make sure that it was clean of any 783 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: you know, debt or any like title issues. And then 784 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: something that I think is delightfully called minimal stigma, which 785 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 1: is something that only would bother a very small percentage 786 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,799 Speaker 1: of the population. Uh So, for example, someone died of 787 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 1: a terminal illness within the home, so not in the 788 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,919 Speaker 1: violent death category, even though it's not communicable, there's no 789 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: you know, contamination concerns. Um. Someone could just be in 790 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: that same way, scared of living in a house where 791 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 1: someone has expired UM, or perhaps a sex offender in 792 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 1: the living the neighborhood. UM. Anyway, So, just to follow 793 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 1: up on the on the Ohio stuff, I'd love to 794 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: hear from a lawyer on this because I'm looking at 795 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: it and it looks like I didn't find a specific 796 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 1: mention in their law, but I guess subsequent case law 797 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,399 Speaker 1: maybe covered it, which maybe means somebody went to went 798 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 1: to court over this, Like, Hey, you should have told 799 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: me this house was haunted. I would love to find 800 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: that case and here specifically how it went down, so 801 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 1: let us know, let us know if you went to 802 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 1: court for this, whatever state you're in, that would be amazing. 803 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: I bet Frank has some stories. Oh, he definitely does, 804 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 1: and also some fabulous names. He'll text me pictures of 805 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: of crazy sounding names from from some of these documents 806 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: that he finds, And it's actually a pretty simple um 807 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: list to run down to say who requires the disclosure 808 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: of death and who doesn't. Alaska does, California is one. 809 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 1: We got Wyoming looks like West Virginia here, but not Virginia. 810 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: UH in California that the way the Civil Code reads 811 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: is California requires the owner a home to disclose if 812 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 1: an occupant of their home has died in their house 813 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 1: in the past three years. No other state comes close 814 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: to such a mandate. Most that require a disclosure have 815 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,320 Speaker 1: it only apply within the past year. So California is 816 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 1: the most stringent, which I guess makes sense. Um. Colorado, 817 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: on the other hand, UH finds that facts pertaining to 818 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: events which could quote psychologically impact or stigmatize the property 819 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,360 Speaker 1: are not subject to disclosure in Colorado. That includes murder, suicide, 820 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,320 Speaker 1: and any other felony which may have taken place. Um. 821 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: So there you go. By Lizzie Borden's two houses start 822 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 1: a new career as a proprietor of a murder Airbnb. 823 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 1: Just to continue on the subject of the boarding house 824 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,120 Speaker 1: before we go, isn't it a little interesting that they 825 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,800 Speaker 1: are retiring in a time when there's a pandemic and 826 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: you know, rental properties are having trouble right now getting 827 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,920 Speaker 1: anyone to actually come out and stay somewhere, let alone 828 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 1: go to a museum or you know, stay in a 829 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,840 Speaker 1: in a bend breakfast where you're gonna have close contact, 830 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,479 Speaker 1: perhaps are closer contact with people. It's a good point. 831 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a commercial property, and commercial real estate 832 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 1: is going to be in the dull drums, at least 833 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 1: in the US for a long well, for some measure 834 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: of time. There's no way around it. It's like the 835 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 1: question of what's going to happen to shopping malls? You 836 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 1: know what I mean? That'll be an interesting story to 837 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,239 Speaker 1: follow for now. Uh let us know, have you gone 838 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 1: to court for a stigmatized house? Uh? If so, what 839 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,760 Speaker 1: went down? Do you believe that you have ever lived 840 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: in or experienced the haunted house for yourself? 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