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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: It's Coast to Coast AM. Connie willis here and having

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Speaker 2: a good time. Jimmy Buffett tunes More to Come, Happy

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Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's Day to you, and just good stuff, good talk,

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Speaker 2: good conversation. I will be back. I think it's the

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Speaker 2: twenty first and the twenty second. I hope I am,

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Speaker 2: but I will be back. We'll have some really good guests.

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Speaker 2: One of them is going to be Mike Patterson Sasquatch, Ontario,

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Speaker 2: telling us more about NEF seeing what the latest is.

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Speaker 2: So he's got some good things, good things for us.

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Speaker 2: I've heard that he just recently had a lot of

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Speaker 2: new things happening, so we'll get some sound effects from

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Speaker 2: and to some good audio that kind of thing happening.

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Speaker 2: So that's always fun to have him on. That's the

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Speaker 2: twenty first, twenty second I pull my guests together. That'll

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Speaker 2: be a surprise for you right now. But tonight we've

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Speaker 2: got doctor Jeffrey Long with us discussing new groundbreaking findings

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Speaker 2: in the genre of near death experiences, remarkable new insights

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Speaker 2: from the most recent NDA research. But I want to

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Speaker 2: take him back to your very first Jeff, your very

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Speaker 2: first inde, not that you had one, but the very

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Speaker 2: first one that you recognize that you thought, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: this is really something, and it turned you on to

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Speaker 2: more of these.

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Speaker 3: You know, that is a great question, because that actually

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Speaker 3: did literally change my life when I heard the first

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Speaker 3: person to share their near death experience. That was again

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Speaker 3: decades ago. Connie. I was at the University of Iowa

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Speaker 3: where I did my medical training, and a college friend

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Speaker 3: was there with his wife maybe they were souldmates, and

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Speaker 3: we were having a meal, and in the course of

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Speaker 3: the meal, my friend's wife said that she had such

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Speaker 3: severe medical allergies that at one point she was under

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Speaker 3: anesthesia for an operation, had an allergic reaction so severe

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Speaker 3: that she coded her heart stopped. She stopped at that point. Now,

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Speaker 3: my medical instinct was, huh, I think there's more to

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Speaker 3: the story here. I've heard that from patients when they

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Speaker 3: have more to say, and I knew of near death experiences.

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Speaker 3: So Connie, and I'm going to I'm going to confess.

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Speaker 3: It's a true Confession's time. I was poised to ask

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Speaker 3: literally the dumbest question of my life. Here she was

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Speaker 3: under general anesthesia and her heart stopped. It should have

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Speaker 3: been absolutely and I knew medically, with every five of

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Speaker 3: my being impossible for her to have any remembrance at

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Speaker 3: that time. I mean, doesn't that make sense? And yet

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Speaker 3: I knew about near death experiences. So I thought about

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Speaker 3: this as a seconds went by, said I gotta ask,

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Speaker 3: I gotta ask. But that would be stupid to ask that.

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Speaker 3: So finally I had a plan be developed. I said,

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Speaker 3: if the other people at the table think if I

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Speaker 3: asked her if she had if she remembered something at

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Speaker 3: that time that she was under anesthesia and her heart stopped,

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Speaker 3: if people think that was the dumbest thing I ever said,

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Speaker 3: I'll just blame it on the fine beer. We're having it.

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Speaker 3: True story. So, emboldened by that plan b based on beer,

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Speaker 3: I found the courage to ask for which should have

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Speaker 3: been a crazy question. Okay, you were under anesthesia, your

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Speaker 3: heart stopped, do you remember anything? Did anything happened? And

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Speaker 3: she immediately her eyes lit up and she said why yes,

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Speaker 3: and went on to tell me a remarkable first near

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Speaker 3: death experience I'd ever heard of from another person, consciousness

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Speaker 3: over her body and in the operating room. And believe me,

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Speaker 3: I've been there medically, when someone's heart stops during surgery,

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Speaker 3: sorts of noisy alarm. I mean, it's really dramatic, and

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Speaker 3: that's exactly what she saws. The operation team paniced at

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Speaker 3: that beautiful, unearthly, heavenly realm, immediately feeling great peace, love,

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Speaker 3: as so many other near death experiences described, beyond anything

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Speaker 3: this was literally the first time she shared her near

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Speaker 3: from that moment I was hooked. Connie. I said to myself,

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Speaker 3: changes my view of the universe. There's some far bigger

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Speaker 3: Near death Experience research website and beginning on my odyssey

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Speaker 3: of studying four thousand near death experiences.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm very happy that that happened for reasons of

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Speaker 2: you know what it's like to be in my world

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Speaker 2: to go, uh, did anything happen? Because that crazy question

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Speaker 2: I asked that all the time, like am I living

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Speaker 2: doing that? That's funny, Welcome to my world, but it's real.

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Speaker 2: It's a real deal and you know it is. And

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Speaker 2: when you know these things are real, you can't explain

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Speaker 4: How how are you with that? Are you able to

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Speaker 2: Because I know you're as you know, you're a doctor,

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Speaker 2: you're a scientific you're you've got here's the laws, this

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Speaker 2: is what, this is, what is and what isn't And

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Speaker 2: you can't explain some things.

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Speaker 4: How do you how do you work with that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, I think part of it is that

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Speaker 3: you and I, I know it's both of us, Connie,

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Speaker 3: are open to mystery things we don't understand, literally pushing

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Speaker 3: What's going on? You know, the whole concept of near

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Speaker 3: should be absolutely no way that physical brain function could

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Speaker 3: by the thousands in my research and literally millions around

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Speaker 3: the world, near death experiences do happen. Their contents remarkably similar.

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Speaker 3: So I think part of it is just like you

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Speaker 3: and I, Connie, we're literally pioneers phenomena here on Earth

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Speaker 3: that really is something of interest I think virtually everybody

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Speaker 2: Ways, absolutely interesting. But not everybody's into it. They'll want

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Speaker 4: But you know, I agree with you. I say the

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Speaker 2: We are pioneers, and it doesn't matter what your level

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Speaker 2: of education is behind this pioneer front line. It's more

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Speaker 2: about the experiences. What you see yourself. I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: the biggest and the best of them, what you witness yourself,

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Speaker 2: instead of hearing it from somebody else, somebody else, somebody else,

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Speaker 2: somebody else, but when you see it yourself and then

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Speaker 2: you hear it from other people you know who's on

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Speaker 4: You totally know where everybody's at with it.

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Speaker 2: We'll be getting you guys up there and see a

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Speaker 2: and Jody is as well.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait. I can't wait. It'll happen, It'll happen.

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Speaker 2: So before moving on to some other things, when you

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Speaker 2: do you ever recognize anything else other than the flatlining

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Speaker 3: You know, I really don't, Connie, I mean understand that

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Speaker 3: not really if you will attuned to thinking about a

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Speaker 4: And if you have seen it happen, did you see

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Speaker 3: with other people. It's called after death communication. So they die,

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Speaker 3: back phenomena which I haven't personally witnessed, but literally hundreds

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Speaker 3: how there's far more going on for all of us

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and what's your goal of all of this? Once

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Speaker 4: You're learning, learning, learning, pulling.

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Speaker 2: All these things together, maybe finding patterns or not. But

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Speaker 2: what is your what's your goal? Now you've done it

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Speaker 2: long enough to go hmm, let's get to hear Is

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Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, Connie. I'm first and foremost a scientists. So

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Speaker 3: if this had gone down a completely different path with

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Speaker 3: Point being, Connie, I didn't start out with an agenda.

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Speaker 3: I didn't start out with the preconceived beliefs or concepts

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Speaker 3: I know that what is real is consistently observed and observe.

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Speaker 3: So to have thousands of people sharing such remarkably similar

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Speaker 3: more to consciousness, who we are, what we are, that

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Speaker 3: bigger picture literally of everything, that we are far more

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Speaker 3: to retain our memories, our personality, who we are, and

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Speaker 3: that that's going to go on into an afterlife is

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Speaker 3: That's been my scientific journey is to characterize that, learn

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Speaker 3: more about that. Again, as we've discussed, I'm a pioneer

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Speaker 3: in this. You are a pioneer too, and so much

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Speaker 3: of what you're exploring, Connie, and so there's a lot

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Speaker 3: we do know, So as we carry that journey as

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Speaker 2: You know, there's so many people that have a fear

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Speaker 2: They've changed as a person, like completely. But there's people

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Speaker 2: have you turned anybody around? You think just by giving

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. That's one of the real glories of doing this

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Speaker 3: that profoundly positive message to humanity has really been an

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Speaker 3: And in fact, I'm glad you brought up that fear

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Speaker 3: many many other people that studied that phenomena, no question

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Speaker 3: about it, after a near death experience greatly reduced fear

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Speaker 3: of death. It's almost like Connie. They take a little

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