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Speaker 1: Back in two thousand five, Jen Patty was a senior

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Speaker 1: For years, Jenna tried a bunch of things. Eventually, she

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Speaker 1: fittest person I've ever met. Now, this is the tape

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Speaker 1: of you on a recent afternoon, basically getting your butt

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Speaker 1: as robot proof as she thinks. Hi am Akito and

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Speaker 1: I'm brad Stone and this weeknd Decrypted. We have seventeen gadgets,

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Speaker 1: that's estimated to become a thirty four billion dollar market

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Speaker 1: by as well as the more than twenty thousand people

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Speaker 1: be the second episode in our series exploring the risk

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Speaker 1: that automation replaces our jobs. Tell us your stories, record

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Speaker 1: dot net and stay with us. I'll be discussing some

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Speaker 1: of the more interesting devices I tested, including a set

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Speaker 1: the end of the show, I'll be sharing the gadget

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Speaker 1: I recommend the most. So to start today's show, I

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