WEBVTT - Brooke Shields - part 2 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:16.280 Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. Welcome 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:20.560 back to the second portion of our conversation with our 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:26.440 favorite gal Brookshields. I think there's something so special about 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:31.560 finding your friendships as women, and certainly something that I 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:36.040 think I cherish, especially in our you know, crazy line 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:42.040 of work, and you are one of the people who 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.360 lives in the way that I feel like I want to. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.160 I have looked up to you likewise for so long 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:54.040 because you make sure, despite you know, being the face, 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:59.040 you know, being the icon, like being all of the 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:04.000 things that sometimes women are told they're only allowed to be, 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.800 you add all of your full humanity onto it. And 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:13.360 you've you've shared work about reclaiming ownership of your story. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.560 You know, your your books, as I mentioned, have just 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:23.680 been so beautiful. You've you've lived through moments of celebrity 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.399 culture and also helped us process it, and you've made 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:31.280 us I think think about those things more deeply. And 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.080 I'm curious how you feel about fame now. Do you 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.080 feel like for you it's healthier? Do you feel like 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.759 it's a ruse? Like how what is your relationship? You've 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:43.840 been famous for fifty years? 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:45.400 Like why is that. 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.280 You know, so that's a question actually that it's surprising me, 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.280 not now because it's been coming up. It's surprising that 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.400 it has been coming up of late. And I'm sort 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.040 of wondering what is in the zeitgeist and what just 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:05.520 I think because with with internet sensations and TikTok stars 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.320 and reality shows and right, and you ask a kid 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:09.560 what they want to be when they grow up and 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:11.320 they say famous, you know. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:12.840 You used to be. I want to be a doctor 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:13.560 or I want to be this. 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.160 I think people are starting to really look at fame differently, 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.079 like what does it really mean? Right? 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.960 And is it good? Is it bad? Is it purposeful? 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:28.600 Is it because it doesn't it doesn't rely on the 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:33.960 same criteria that it used to rely on in many ways, 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.400 and infamous and famous is also you know what I mean? 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.839 Like that that sort of the relationship between those two 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.120 things I think is very different in this day and 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.519 age and for this next generation is coming up. 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.160 What I have I used to fight it. 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.519 I used to try to shy away from it, try 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:58.519 to hide it. Don't want to revel in it, don't 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.760 want to don't want to oh it because it just 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:06.080 came with too much and it felt like it was 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:12.079 cannibalizing my life, right, So I fought for to be regular, 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.000 and I fought to real friends, and I thought I'd 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:19.200 get an education and all those things, and you kind 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.520 of come to this. I've had to come to this 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:27.040 conclusion that it's not going away, and I now look 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:28.799 at it as a business. 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.440 And when I was able. 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.480 To sort of make that switch in my head, I 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.680 didn't resent it anymore. And yes, I still want privacy, 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.720 and I and I, you know, I'm always amazed at 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.600 how people don't listen when they're you know, they come 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.360 up and they have to tell their story to you, 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.120 and you know, I knew you. I had your genes 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.080 or your doll or your this, and you were in 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.040 my locker and you're like and you could be literally 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.680 saying like I'm actually bleeding out right now, and if 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.880 I don't get to the hospital, I probably will die 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.160 right here, and it's going to be ugly and really messy, 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.000 and and you could literally have a narrative that is that, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.360 and they go, I know, right, and you and my 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:12.840 sister went on and this, and and you're just like, wow, 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.719 people really need to just make it about them, And 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.640 that moment and they're desperate for it. And that used 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.800 to make me crazy, you know, and it used to 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.600 be and then and then the selfie and the autograph 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:26.840 figure just kind of going like. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.120 There's nothing to do with me, It's all about you. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.760 Then I just sort of stopped and said, Okay, first 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:37.560 of all, let's have empathy for those people, because if 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.400 this is the most exciting thing this happened to, I'm like, 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.120 I feel bad, you know, if I'm it, you know, 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.720 or if that moment is so important to them, let 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.280 let them have it. But also, you know, say thank 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.440 you and and but I have to catch a plane 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.640 or whatever it is. And it can be kind and 0:04:55.680 --> 0:05:02.120 you can still protect yourself. But as an actor, you know, 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:07.000 I've had to look at it more as a commodity 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:13.320 element and use it and access it and pick up 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:17.279 that phone call and call an executive. And you know 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.400 where I never would have done it. I was, you know, 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.360 only to be humble and be smaller and be everybody, 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.159 you know, don't you know, walk on to a set 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.479 and be a I have to walk on to a set. 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.400 And I can be kind and have a wonderful work ethic, 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.600 but I'm a boss and I have to act like it. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.560 And owning that. 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.160 Power or that fame or whatever you want to call 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.280 it has given it this its purpose to me in 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:47.440 a very different way. And you know, it got me 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.760 a pickup bun of show, you know what I mean. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.800 And I know it did because of all the publicity 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.000 I did and the people wanted, you know, and I thought, Okay, 0:05:56.040 --> 0:06:00.400 don't resent it. It's not taking from your life. If 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:04.160 you can harness it appropriately and don't ever overuse it, 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:10.080 but use it correctly and fairly, you can have a long, 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.560 longer career, you know. And I think that that's been 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:21.840 only in older years. Wow, you know, it's a little 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.359 It took me a while because in a way. 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.000 I was like, oh, that's two. 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.120 But then I started looking at it as an executive 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.320 producer and as a as someone. 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:33.960 You know. 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.640 I was talking to the head of the union and 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.360 we were at an afl CIO event which was all 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.839 the different unions and the presidents of all the unions 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.560 and Actor's Equity was there and I went as the president. 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:53.040 And this one woman is just such a dynamo and 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.760 she runs all of I mean, she runs the automotive 0:06:56.440 --> 0:07:01.480 union and the constructor union, and she's just this lovely 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.080 mom and this beautiful like she's just a great person. 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:06.720 And she said to me, she called me up one 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:08.640 day and she's like, I have to tell you something, 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:09.640 and I said, okay. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.400 She said, you don't. 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.560 You don't step into your power and you deserve to 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.920 and you really really should. And she said, not just 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:22.080 as a union leader, because it's the most uncomfortable thing 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:26.679 for me, but because it's all about taking the attention 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.880 and speaking on I can speak on behalf of people 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:34.480 and four people, but I'm used to being of the 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:39.320 people more. And I think that she said, that's that's 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.520 that's known more. You you've to stand in it and 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.200 be as big as you can be. And and I 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.360 had a therapist who said the same thing, and it 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:52.520 was a It's been a very interesting few years of 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:58.680 being okay walking into a room with my head held 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.920 high and not howlogizing, you know. And I think that that. 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:09.320 I think many women do experience that, yes, And I 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:15.000 want to keep telling them it's not arrogance, it's ownership 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.000 and it's a privilege to be able. 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:17.480 To have that. 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:23.560 And that's changed while I've been getting to this sort 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.000 of stage in my life and I'm taking more risks 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.680 and I'm and then there's a freedom in it too, 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:34.760 And it's amazing what people want that from you, you know, 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.560 they want they want that, they look to it and 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:41.040 so you putting yourself down is not it's not helpful 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:42.160 to them, you know. 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.319 And now a word from our sponsors, who make this 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:59.280 show possible. It's an interesting thing because men are asked 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.960 to humble themselves as they succeed. And I will never 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.440 forget Connie Britton said something to me similarly to what 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:10.240 you're saying now. We were, you know, talking about something 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:14.440 we had done and she was gonna post something and 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.520 was like she was asking me for like a what's 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.120 a what's another way to say? And I said, I 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.080 don't know, maybe because this is such a you know, 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:27.800 monumentous moment, open with like something like I'm just so 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:29.680 humbled to be here. And she looked at me and 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.640 she goes, no, I'm not humbled. I worked for this, 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.040 and I went oh. And it was this sort of 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.400 moment where I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, and also 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.880 like your broken shields. She's Connie freaking Britain, you know, 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.400 like I'm looking at my friends going oh, right, and 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:51.600 I could see it for other people always, and I 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.440 could do exactly what you're saying. I could say, step 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.360 into your power. Know you're worth, organize for more. Our 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:01.040 unions deserve a raise, people deserve healthcare. You know, everyone 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.480 deserves rights. Da da da da da da. And it 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:08.760 took me until the last couple of years to realize 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:16.040 I can inhale and expand and speak out power more 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.280 power for us. I take it away from myself in 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:23.240 every second, all the time I and I am currently 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:27.440 in a season where I am trying to recalibrate my 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:33.040 relationship with and my comfort with who I am. Like 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.679 I can look at every woman in my life and say, 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.560 you are first name and last name. Can I say 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:45.000 that about myself? And it is a really interesting moment 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:49.800 to go, Oh, I'm sort of an expert analyst at 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.480 systems that affect us negatively in the world, and I 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.840 have not given myself the same grace to look at 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.120 the way I have been impacted by a system that 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:02.240 wants to take worth away from women whoa like. It's 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:06.040 a crazy it's a crazy moment, and it's really cool 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:11.120 to hear you talking about owning your power when you 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.520 walk in a room because I've thought of you as 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:18.240 like this gorgeous, powerful person for as long as I've 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:18.600 known you. 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.320 I mean, it's I think that's a common thing. 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.080 I think women are so used to holding other people 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:32.240 up and taking care of and supporting, and you know, you, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.040 you you spend it all and then you don't have 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.800 it for yourself, and it's like, yeah, yeah, but and 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.320 you were a part of the like somehow not a 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:41.959 part of the club. 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.960 And I think you know. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:49.679 I also, humility isn't interesting being humble and being I 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.600 always thought that that was the key, and I had 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:57.240 I had a trainer once who said I will never 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:01.360 teach my children to be humble, and I said, wow, 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.640 I always thought that that was a good thing. I 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.280 thought those who weren't humble were arrogant. And he said, 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.240 I'm not saying you have to be bad or arrogant 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.040 or mean or stuck up or anything like that. But 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:20.560 you walk into a room leading with being humble, and 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.320 you've just made yourself smaller. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.480 You can be gracious, you could be thankful. 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:32.120 You can be humbled by seeing something unbelievable, that's beautiful, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.800 or that's something and a child, you know, that is, 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:40.080 that is being brought to the core of that's not 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:47.360 bad healthy humility, maybe healthy humility, and willingness to willingness 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.280 to celebrate yourself, because how do we expect others to 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:51.880 do it if. 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.840 We don't, you know, And you think, I mean, I. 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.920 Used to think, oh, I'll self deprecate and then they'll 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.200 like me, and then they'll they'll stick up for me. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.439 And then you start believing your self deprecation and then 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:10.160 you start actually being self deprecated to yourself, and then 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.600 you're like, oh, wait a minute, and then you're mad 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:17.400 because you feel less then. Yeah, and it's very it's 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.520 the opposite of arrogance. And it's taken me quite some time. 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.280 And listen, it served me in the beginning, do you 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.600 know what I mean? Because people did like me, and 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:28.720 they did want to work with me, and they did 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:33.920 make friends, and it did put people at ease at 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.600 first when they first met me because I was famous 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.120 and they weren't or whatever. And it's a stick, you know, 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:44.640 And and it's funny at times. But as I've gotten older, 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.439 it just doesn't fit the same way. 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:47.520 Yeah, and. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.920 That's freeing too, you know, but it's kind of daily 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:54.640 you sort of have to. I have to work on 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.079 it daily because I'll fall right into the pattern again 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:03.640 so quickly. And I was, this is a crazy story. 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:08.880 I broke my femur and I was a couple of 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:12.480 few years ago and I was on the ground in 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:17.560 a gym and I just finished this like crazy two 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.720 week challenge that I don't know I needed to do 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:26.120 it for whatever reason. And the paramedics are there and 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.520 I'm on the ground and I mean, I'm in the 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:33.360 kind of pain that is unfathomable. I mean, like like 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:35.680 animal sounds are coming out of me. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.520 And I could see. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:44.120 The paramedic recognize me in that moment, he recognized me, 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.880 and without missing a freaking beat, as in pain as 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:56.040 I was, I started to say something like not blue lagoon, 0:14:56.120 --> 0:15:00.440 but like something for childy right to like, because I 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:00.960 saw it in. 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:02.760 His eyes, you were you were going to crack the joke. 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:04.040 It always plays well. 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:10.080 Right, And within a second my trainer grabs my shoulder 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.080 and he goes hey, and I kind of looked up. 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:14.840 He goes, you don't have to do that. 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:15.960 Stop it. 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.360 And it was that moment that then I ended up 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.800 being just able to just I think I passed out 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:22.600 because of the pain. 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.600 But it was I thought, wow, this is so hardwired 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:27.040 into me. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.400 Yes, I'm even doing it with a broken femur and 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.080 I'm dying who They didn't know. 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.440 If I was in internal bleeding or like. 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:40.920 It was so so dire and serious and my I 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.040 did it even that second. And this was like five 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.360 years ago maybe, And I remember like waking up in 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:52.800 the hospital and being in excruciating pain and they wouldn't 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.080 give me another X ray. And I finally said, look, 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.240 if you want me to be a hysterical female, I 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.160 can do it. I said, I'm really good at it. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.840 And I said, but give me another X ray. Thank 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:06.840 god I did, because my bone had popped off the device. 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:13.160 And I thought, self advocacy, yep, and not don't do 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:18.240 it anymore. Stop just it's not it's not attractive either. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:20.080 It's not good for your girls. 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.000 You know, you don't have to poke fun at yourself 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:24.600 to make other people comfortable. 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.200 And it's hard, it's hard, and it's you know, again, 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.120 there is a stick in it that kind of does 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.440 serve you in a way. It doesn't feel like it 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.840 fits anymore. And that's been really kind of eye opening 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.840 for me in this era of your life. 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.280 Well when you talk about how it doesn't fit and 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.920 it's a new era and there is a new job, 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.440 and you've said you are you are the boss, you 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:50.920 are the executive producer. 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:52.760 You know you You. 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.080 By the way, fought to defend the title of your show. 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:58.360 And I love that. It's that you're killing me is 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:05.600 it's the phrase, It's the perfect joke. It's it's also 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:10.560 a little bit of spice in the cozy core mystery world, 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:12.639 you know, for those of us who were raised on 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:18.919 Angela Lansbury like, I love that you have managed to 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:23.720 thread this needle for yourself. And I'm really curious, did 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.000 you set kind of intentions for this on day one? 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.040 Because you've been on this journey of oh, the old 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.879 shtick doesn't fit. Did you go into this job a 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.120 new version of yourself? 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:40.160 Very much so. And I was fearheading the whole thing. 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.800 I mean, I reached. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.840 Out to the showrunner and I'd worked with her multiple times, 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.560 and I knew she got my humor and I knew 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:49.560 her writing was smart. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:51.280 And I called her and I. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.320 Said, look, I know we've done movies and episodes here 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.600 and there of things, I said, but let's let's write 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:57.600 a let's create. 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.440 A show, Let's find a goal. 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.640 And she was like, well, mysteries are very popular right now, 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.040 and only murders in the building and Matt Walcke and 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:08.960 murder she wrote, and all of those that kind of 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.280 it's kind of coming back, and it's this cozy mystery 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.880 sort of a thing. And I said, you know, there's 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:18.440 a huge appeal and it is very much a big 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.720 chunk of my audience. And I said, let's and we 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.919 just started talking and brainstorming, and I said, you know, 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:29.680 I'm fascinated by generational differences. And I have kids who 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.480 make fun of me and they are in their twenties 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.400 and it's funny, but it's also we both teach each other. 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.600 So we brought that kind of put in the mystery world. 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.840 She came up with this, this sort of idea of 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:47.000 this character, and every step of the way, I knew 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:48.720 I was going to be an executive producer, but I've 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:52.240 never been an executive producer that had that much say 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.639 and that, you know, AMC would call me and say, 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:57.880 what do you think about this? 0:18:58.359 --> 0:18:59.600 Or how about this? 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.280 Direct her and these actors and what about this? And 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:07.720 they actually wanted my opinion, and I fought for things. 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.960 I fought for the title. I fought to keep the 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.359 humor in. You know, they get very safe with me. 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.199 They want me to just be non offensive and pretty 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.879 and and not you know, networks, you know, just keep her, 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.800 keep her likable, and and I'm like, no, the reason 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.480 why these characters are likable is because they're flawed and 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:25.280 they're funny. 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.880 And we're not doing bloody glory. We're doing Agatha Christie. 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.439 We're doing a little bit of you know, a little 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:37.000 wink without taking you out of it, but you're doing 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:42.000 We're doing things that are relationship oriented. And these people 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.760 you care about. I mean, yes, there's a body that's 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.520 going to drop every week, right sleep be a little town, 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:53.440 a little fishing safe, little fishing town. And but I 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.880 walked into this whole thing. I pitched it with her, 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:04.640 We pitched it to AMC and amc Acorn, and from 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:08.520 every step of the way, I watched them look at 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:12.600 me differently, and look at my history and my experience 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:18.280 and nostalgia and fame and all of those pieces put together. 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:20.840 And then I worked my ass offtware for the show 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:26.520 and for the edit and for the pr and I said, 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.400 you know, you guys have the capacity and the capability 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:30.679 to make this a hit or not. 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.879 I will. I will do everything I can, and I 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:35.359 know I. 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:38.560 Can get the publicity and get the outlets and the 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:43.359 I mean to be on these competing shows. I don't 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:47.360 know how the press department did that, but you know, normally, 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:49.840 if you do one, you can't do the other, and 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:54.000 everybody owns you. And it just I kind of really 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:57.000 looked at it, and I walked on to set every 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:01.119 day and I set an example. And you watched it 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.840 in the electrics, You watched it in the gaffers, you 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:08.040 watched it in the dolleypoll, you know, and guys, these 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.840 crunchy old guys would come up, you know, came up 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:12.840 to me and said, you know, you really make this 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.960 an enjoyable place to be and you make me laugh every. 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:17.640 Day and it's really good. 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.040 We want to like And these guys have been pulling 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.919 cable for you know, fifty years, you know what I mean, and. 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:25.400 They've seen it all. 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:31.520 And there was such respect for the way that I 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:36.359 set the tone for the for the set, and people 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.720 worked extra hard and it was just it was so 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:42.600 great to sort of be able to be that example 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:46.399 and feel really not feel arrogant about it, but just 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:50.200 feel like I did earn the right to have these 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:55.879 opinions and also say like, please prove me wrong, and 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:58.360 I will defer to your expertise and I love that 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:01.199 and I will learn as well. And that's important too, 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.399 because it doesn't mean I'm always right, you know. 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:15.640 Yeah, And now a word from our sponsors. I had 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:20.760 a producer really early my sort of like you know, 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:23.879 safe person mentor in North Carolina when we did One 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.720 Tree Hill, and he always used to say, the best 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:30.480 idea always wins. He said, if it's my idea, he'd go. 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.040 So if if it's your idea, he goes. If it 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.320 comes from one of the electrics, I don't care. Best 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:41.320 idea always wins. And I took that with me forever, 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:45.240 and eventually I finally came to the place that you're 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:48.240 talking about, which is sometimes I do have the best idea, 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:53.160 and if somebody else has it a plus. But if 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:55.639 I have it, I'm allowed to have it too. And 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.600 that little nuance that feels like a nice place to 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.800 be where I'm not always saying, oh, well, you know, 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:05.320 you know better than me. No, we're all really smart, 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:08.159 and let's put our heads together and come up with 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:12.000 something great. I don't have to diminish myself to make 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:16.240 anyone else happy. And actually, if I don't diminish myself, 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.320 maybe I can encourage other people. 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:20.639 To be as big as they are. You know. 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:24.600 I've learned a lot from my husband in the writing room, 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:28.359 you know, and you you know, they write, write a 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:31.240 script and then put it to the room and and 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:33.840 they're all around a table and what about this as 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:35.080 a joke or what if he did this? 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:36.040