WEBVTT - Pounding Chests 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:16.480 Well, hi everybody, and welcome to their Nice Stubs Tennis podcast. 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:20.040 We are in the thick of hardcourt season, Caitlin. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.439 It's been an exciting few weeks, and I mean a 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:24.840 few weeks. 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.200 Because I feel like, don't you feel like the US 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:32.080 swing has already it's already feels too long in some respects. 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:33.840 I don't know, it's weird. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:36.680 Right, I think it's weird because there are so many 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.680 hard court swings in the tennis season. If you think 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:41.839 about it, there's one that starts really at the end 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:45.800 of December where people go to the Middle East, some 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.920 of them go all the way down to OZ and 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.880 New Zealand. Then we have the Middle East, Australasia part 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.360 of things. Hong Kong has a tournament. There's a whole 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.200 bunch of stuff that's happening on hard courts at the 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.960 end of slash beginning of the year. Then obviously we 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:04.200 go to clay, then we go to grass, then we 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.120 come back and it's just sort of a if you 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:10.480 count the Miami Indian Well Sunshine Double, it's a really 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:14.319 interesting bookend Asia's hard courts and everything that happens up 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.920 until basically June or May and June and July are 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:21.440 hard courts. So yeah, for me, it is a prevailing 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.280 theme because I have a feeling we're going to touch 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.160 on it, which is the season is too long, just 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.000 full stop. The season is too long, and we are 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.360 never more aware of it than in recent years as 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.039 the game has become the most physical it possibly can be, 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.120 as climate change has made some of the conditions that 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.759 we're seeing right now in Cincinnati, for example, with rainouts 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.040 and just length of time that these tournaments have to 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:47.119 get extended. We're going to start by talking about Canada, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:48.880 which was also affected by a lot of the rain. 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.960 So yeah, it's just that the season is too long, 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.520 and obviously it's something that we structurally keep coming back 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.920 to because it isn't changing. It seems to me that 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.160 if I'm in charge of tennis, which nobody really is, 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.640 but everybody really is, so many people which will never 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:09.280 be sadly, which if Tennis knows it's good for it, 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:13.440 it'll put me in charge. It's an ever present problem, 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.560 and I think right now we are seeing all of 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.959 the effects of it, which is it's three quarters the 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.960 way through this season. Everyone's dead, bloodied, buried, injured or 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:26.720 otherwise hobbling, if not mentally vacant. And it's too bad 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.520 because we have amazing tournaments, amazing players, and amazing stuff 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:32.080 still left on the calendar, not least which is the 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.320 fourth and final Grand Slam of the year. So yeah, 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.320 it's the season's too long. The hard court season is 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:40.360 too long. Everything's too long. And what suffers is the product, 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.359 which is on behalf of the players the best it's 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:43.760 ever been. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.960 Yeah, I would say the product suffers, but more importantly, 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:52.239 the players are suffering. And so one of the things 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.919 that I wanted to touch on because we hadn't obviously 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.840 because the whole tournament schedule is so out of whack 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:03.480 with these ten days, nine day events, is that I 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:08.520 was thinking to myself when egershyon Tech and Ribarkina played 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:12.000 in the final, I was thinking, hold on a second, 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.239 you guys had ten days right to finish this event, 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:20.880 and yet, and yet a player plays a semi final 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:25.280 and finishes at one o'clock in the morning and then 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.000 has to come back the next day and play at 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:31.120 six pm. I do not understand how a sport can 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:35.200 make one person suffer a lot more than the other. 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.400 And it's supposed to be equal. That is not fair. 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.440 That is not fair, whether it was Rebarkina or whether 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.720 it was Eagerson Tech that won that second semifinal. Why 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:50.560 are you starting at seven pm plus when you have 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.160 all fucking day. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:53.440 To play a tennis match? 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:54.080 Now? 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.840 Do you want to play, you know, in the evening 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.320 because people can come after work or it's an little 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.240 bit nicer of experience and all that sort of. Yeah, okay, 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.960 but is Canada going to sell out in the day? 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.560 Hell ya, Canada will sell out in the day. And 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.880 if you're supposed to be playing on Saturday or Sunday 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.080 for a semi and a final, which is traditionally what 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.120 we do in tennis, why the fuck are we playing 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:18.840 matches now? 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.840 Granted it was pushed back an hour ish because of. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.640 Rain, but you have to also remember, when you're doing 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.839 a schedule in summer in the United States or in Canada, 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.440 you are going to get afternoon rain more than likely, 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.960 or you're going to get a whole entire day of rain, 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.280 which we did in Washington. We had to finish on Monday, 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.719 so it's like you've got ten days to finish an event, 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.239 but yet you crammed in two matches in this less 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:46.520 than twenty four hours and somebody suffered. Now, Igerschiontek played 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.760 incredible tennis, and I don't want to take anything away 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:49.080 from her. 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.799 It's so great to see her back at her best. 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.159 It is so great to see how she played against 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:58.240 Rebuking in that final. But was Rebukkina at her very 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.800 best in that final? I would argue, no, now why 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.200 was shouldn't you? Oh, I don't know. She went to 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.640 bed at like I would guarantee you Caitlin finishing a 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:08.599 match at one pm, which is when she finished, she 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.760 shook hands at approximately one am. She did not go 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.400 to bed, like I'm talking, sleep until three thirty four 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:17.479 o'clock in the morning. And you expect that girl to 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:21.080 get up when when is she what's the circadian rhythm 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:21.719 of her sleep? 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.040 Now, what's the rhythm of her practice? How does she feel? 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:25.520 You know? 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.200 And I mean okay, Eger probably finished and went to 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.240 bed around midnight, maybe, which is still not ideal for 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:32.800 a tennis player to wake up and play a match 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.720 the next day at six pm. But I'll take that 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.880 over four in the morning going to sleep. I guarantee 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.359 you that's when she fell asleep. If even then, that 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:43.760 is just okay. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:48.240 Brought up the circadian rhythms like a real science nerd. 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.480 I love it, and you're absolutely right, it's not okay. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:54.920 And it's also so clearly problematic and unevenly distributed. 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:55.240 Right. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:59.080 It's punishing people when it should be rewarding them. And 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.679 I think one of the things about these two week 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:06.000 Masters one thousands that the ATP, who seemed to have 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.960 spear petted the creation or the extension of these tournaments, 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:14.120 were so clear in articulating when it was announced is 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.599 that it was going to give players more rest and 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.640 they would be they would be less taxed on their 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.719 body because during the tournament they would have more time 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.839 off between matches and a less brutal schedule. And once 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:28.920 again that has been proven false. 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.159 Yes, and for those listeners out there, yes, that was 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.719 meet laughing out loud at the fact that that's how 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.960 they think of this. I mean, I start to wonder 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.440 and think that people that put the events on, people 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.000 that run the tournaments, people that run the WTAAP have 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.360 no idea what it takes. 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:49.359 To be a professional tennis player at their best, which. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.320 Is ironic because I feel like, at least on the 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:55.320 ATP side. There are a number of former players who 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.760 make up the leadership of these governing bodies, and so 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.400 you'd think that they would relate to the player's anguish 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.240 that they are being put through. But maybe I'm wrong. 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.040 I don't know. Maybe that's not true. At the WTA, 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:05.440 I don't know. 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.760 Do they sit with the tournaments and think, Okay, guys, 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:09.279 this is how we're going to do it. We're gonna 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.600 have this long arduous, laid out tournament. We're gonna have 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:16.000 players have days off, and then when it gets to 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.680 the semi finals and finals day, we don't give a 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.280 fuck about resting the players or giving or having them 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.520 be at their best. You know, when I saw this 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.840 happen and then the rain pushed it back, I was like, Okay, 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:26.520 that's bad, But. 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.600 I would have been bad anyway. She would have finished 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:30.000 at midnight. Is that any better? 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:31.440 And then she would have gone to sleep at like 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.640 two o'clock in the morning, you know, or two thirty 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:34.040 in the morning. 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:34.840 Is that ideal? 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:36.440 So what's the solution here? 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:38.560 Start the fucking match in the day. 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.800 Start the match in the day, let them finish at 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.280 six pm and have an entire nice evening of dinner. 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.200 This is what I'm talking about, the circadian rhythm of 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.640 like somebody, right, I bet Ribackina when she woke up 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:56.000 or whenever she woke up, felt sick. And for those 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:58.440 of you listening out there, I'm sure plenty of you 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:02.200 have gone and traveled and and had jet lag. I 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.480 bet you she felt like she had jet lag when 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:06.760 she walked on that court, yes, you know, And she 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.040 walked on the court in the daytime, so the sun 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.200 is out just probably like her brain is. 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:12.480 Probably like, oh my god. 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.640 And keep in mind, guys, she's not just walking on 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.280 the court to play a final at six pm or 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:21.160 whenever it was. She's practicing at probably three point thirty 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.200 or four. So think about going to bed at four 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.320 in the morning, like falling asleep at four in the morning, 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.880 getting up at whatever ten or eleven am, which is 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.920 not normal, and then going and trying like drag yourself 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.880 to go on practice and then get yourself up for 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.040 the match. And if you watch the match, there were 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.960 so many like quite easy balls that she missed, and 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.840 she struggled through the week, but she found a way 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.439 every single match. She found away. Rebeckin Ha found a 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.840 way through every single match against Coco. She lost a 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.120 lot of first sets. She won in three sets. There 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.200 is no way playing Eager Schirantech at her best, which 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.600 she was, she had a chance and the score line 0:08:58.640 --> 0:08:59.080 proves it. 0:08:59.120 --> 0:08:59.280 Now. 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.080 If she had lost six the third I would have 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.920 been like, man, kudos and what a great match. But 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.160 if you look at the score line and you look 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.880 at the amount of times Rabakina has beaten Egistian Tech, 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:13.240 particularly on hardcore, you just go, huh, what was off? 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.400 And again, I do not want to take away from 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.920 Ega because she played fabulous tennis, but you have to think, 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:21.440 how can that or not affect her. 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.520 Let's back up. The last time we spoke, Coco Goff 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.240 was still in the draw, Benchech was still in the dra, 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.640 Osaka was still in the draw, Spindelina was still in 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.840 the dra. And what we had between the time we 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.040 last spoke and this finals that you were returning to 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.040 were a lot of very good matches and in fact 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:43.599 very good. The player field in my view in Toronto 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.880 got the two best players of the tournament. Rbakna came 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.839 into that having beaten, as you noted, Coco Goff over 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:55.760 a masterful three set performance. The round before, she had 0:09:55.800 --> 0:10:02.240 beaten a very inform, dangerous Naomi Osaka, another master performance, 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.800 and Egostiantec played to me what was probably the match 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:09.000 of the tournament in the semifinals to beat Alnas Fidelina 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:14.559 with a absolute conviction in a third set after kind 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.000 of getting blanked in the second. Obviously she got a game, 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.560 but she was the recipient of a breadstick in the 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:23.160 second set. Elenas Fidelina played phenomenal tennis and Niga did 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:28.200 incredible depth digging to find a way to win that match. 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.480 So to me, I was really looking forward to this 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.240 final because I felt looking at the matches that had 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:40.080 led up to it, how resilient both Rebacchina and schfian 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:44.200 Tech had been in getting to the final, how great 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.280 the matchups were, and how really women's tennis really proved 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:52.040 itself again as just being an embarrassment of riches. There 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:53.679 were so many good players left in this draw. There 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.480 were so many good matches leading into the final, and frankly, 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.160 I think we really deserved a good final. Egos Fiantec 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.760 deserved to win the turn. As you're saying, no doubt 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.679 she played phenomenal. She is back. I'm very excited about it. 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.520 She's playing the kind of tennis that we saw from her. Honestly, 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:09.360 it's been a couple of years that we've seen her 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.280 play this confidently in this decisively that said, we deserved 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.840 a better final and rebarkiing it deserved a better schedule, 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.559 so she could have put up a better fight even 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.280 if you go would have won anyway. To me, that 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.040 was the story of Toronto, which is the tournament itself 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.199 was great, the last match was not. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.960 Yeah, I mean, have the semifinals in the daytime and 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:31.040 allow the both players to have enough rest time to 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:31.719 play at night. 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.280 In the of you play at night, then you have 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:34.120 the Marqui match. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.600 You know certain hours of the evening that it's best 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:43.680 for everybody, TV, whatever it is, spectators players, But play 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.640 the semi finals in the daytime and allow them to 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:48.640 get the rest they need to play their best and 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.360 most important match of the week and they deserve that. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.960 And to finish a match at one am in the morning, 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:55.840 and don't tell me about the rain. They would have 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:57.880 finished at midnight and she would not have gone again 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.920 to bed until at sleep at least two thirty in 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:01.360 the morning. 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:03.520 So I just it just. 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.360 Bothers me to the nth degree that we are still 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:12.120 continually fucking the players over with schedule. It's not okay, 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.840 and I will ten I'm ten ties down on this. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.800 I don't blame you. Let's briefly talk about the men's 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.640 because even though we got a better quality final, and 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.920 I was there for the Semis and I saw some 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:28.040 great tennis. Shout out Brandon Nakashima for really really making 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.200 a statement with his win in the Semis over Raphael Hodar, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.400 who I think a lot of people myself included thought 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.040 would certainly get to the finals, if not win the tournament. 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.480 And you know, honestly, it was great to be in Montreal. 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.360 I talked about how excited I was about that project. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:45.040 The tournament is great. I really love going to these 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.240 Masters one thousands tournaments because I think they're awesome, especially 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.360 now in a world where the Slams have just become 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:54.280 insanely expensive, insanely overcrowded, and all the best players are 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.120 at all of the other tournaments. So maybe spread the 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.800 love a little bit. But it was strange because during 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.240 the there was nothing going on, and then they saved 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.160 the matches for the evening session and I just think 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.840 in a city like Toronto or a city like Montreal, 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.559 where you have tons and tons of people, even if 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:14.320 it's on a weekday, because the ATP and WTA Masters 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.600 one thousands extended schedule means that it's not a weekend final, 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:22.400 which is stupid. On a weekday you get a ton 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.320 of people on the grounds just watching tennis. Why wait 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.480 to the evening. It was very strange to me to 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:29.960 not show up to site until four or five pm 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.439 to watch doubles and then have the two night sessions 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.960 be the men's semis. I didn't see the need for it. 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.160 It should have been during the day. You sell more merch, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.040 you get more people excited about it. And I don't 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.760 think attendant suffers, not in a semi, not in a 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.600 later stage of a tournament. I happy to talk about 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.200 the tennis, but I think to continue your point about 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.920 the scheduling, it's baffling to me and I don't understand why. 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.920 Well, I mean, that's why sammis and finals and tournaments 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.720 have always finished on the weekend, because you play them 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.040 in the day because people aren't at work. Right, So 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.760 if that's the case and it's a weekend, you play 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.400 them in the day and then you can play the 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.280 final maybe at night. But also keep in mind that 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.480 people have to get to another tournament right away after 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:10.760 that as well, so you're not considering them in certain 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.520 circumstances with that as well. But you know, you're making 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.440 my point again for me, Now, the guys started on 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.800 time at six pm, I think that's when they started 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.680 their match, and then the next day the final was 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.840 at five thirty pm, right, So now they got lucky 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:29.800 because you know, the Nakashima Joda match was fantastic, you know, 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.560 thankfully Ben Shelton won in straight sets and won quite 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.720 comfortably against Learna TM and so he had enough time 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.720 to recover for the match the next day at five 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:39.880 point thirty because he finished it. 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:41.320 I can't I. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.440 Don't remember, maybe ten pm, but still that's still not 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:49.120 okay for me. But ten pm difference to one am, 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:52.840 And it was only because if those two matches had 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.360 gone very very long, like both the women's semi finals 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.960 did in Canada, then you're going up against the same problem. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:01.640 They would have finished at one o'clock in the morning 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.360 to you have a little bit of rain, which is 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.320 very very possible in Canada. At that time of the year, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:10.040 the guys would have faced the same problem. So it's like, 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.840 I don't care who's running the sport at this time, 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.280 but somebody has to have some kind of semblance of 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:21.040 sensibility that the players are suffering. And also Kitlyn, you know, 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.760 this is when injuries do happen, right, So you think 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.520 about Rebukina going out there not feeling great, and or 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.440 Ben Shelton, who you know, I mean ran into the 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.120 back wall. I mean, first of all, why is there 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.040 a mat on the back of the court. That's a 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.120 whole different story that I tweeted about when I was 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.520 watching the match. I mean, he was so unbelievably close 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.200 to having a catastrophic injury there. He could have twisted 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.920 his ankle horribly. He could have banged his head on 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.840 that LED screen, which people that don't know, those LED 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:54.240 screens are really really rough, So when you put your 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:58.160 hand on them, they're like little baby lights essentially, and 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.680 so when you actually touch it, which is why his 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:02.760 arm was all scratched up and his hand was all 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.600 beat up, it's like, Okay, you're not going to necessarily 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.720 change that because LED screens are beautiful on a tennis court, 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.520 and I get it, but why do you have a 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.000 mat at the back of the court. And I did 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.640 put that question out on Twitter and one of my 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.880 producers that I worked with for many, many years, Bobby 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:20.680 Bobby text and he said, well, maybe it's to hide 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.920 the cables and and I said, well, is there any 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.800 way to do that without a piece of mat And 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.280 he goes, yeah, you just tape it down underneath the 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.720 led screens. So even little things like that, Caitlyn, Like, 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.760 if I saw that as a tournament director, I'd be like, 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.400 why do we have carpet here? This is dangerous for 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:37.960 the place if they happen to come back. And these 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.640 guys are all and the women they're so good defensively, 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.200 they will run a ball down. Why are you putting 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.480 anything on there that they can trip over? 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:47.920 I mean, we saw it at the French Open. 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.560 We saw people get very, very hurt with those boxes 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:52.240 they used to have. 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:52.920 Around the lines. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.680 People and it's just like, whoever's running this sport, I 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.360 just wonder, have you ever fucking played tennis that? 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.280 I mean, he could have really hurt himself. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:03.960 And guess what he couldn't have played the next day 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.080 in the finals is that what you want, you want 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.720 to hurt player. So ah, there's so many I was 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.359 so annoyed with certain things last week, with what happened. 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.520 And you know it is our job, Caitlin, you and 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.199 me to make sure that they get it right, because 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.600 we are the commissioners that no one's paying. 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:20.840 Exactly, I was gonna say, is it a job to 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.120 make sure they get it right? Is there a job 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:23.919 to complain about it? But I'd love for it to 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:25.680 be a job to get it rape because clearly the 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:29.240 people who are in Churche aren't doing a good job anyway. 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:33.040 But Ben played amazing. I mean, I don't know what 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:33.879 it is in the North. 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.800 Is this a Canada thing? Like he's just ready to 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:39.320 roll in Canada? 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.600 It definitely is. And I've said this many times on 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:42.960 the pod. 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.919 Players feel really comfortable at certain places, which why everyone's panicking, 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.919 and rightly so panicking with Saberlenca. She is not playing 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.280 well right now, she has lost her confidence. But you 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.400 know she might slide into the US Open and go 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:01.000 or Cincinnati, where she's had great success and be like, oh, 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.159 I'm okay. And it is this game is so mental. 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.520 It is so mental, and yes, it is how you're 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:08.000 hitting the ball and all that sort of stuff. But 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.000 if you can have a calmness about you, and we 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.879 saw that with Eager last week. Her calmness on the 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.399 court was so much more obvious. And is it because 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.600 she's winning, of course, but you know, when she's under 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.480 the pressure like she was against Fitzelina in the semis, 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.600 and even there was periods in the final where it 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.920 could have gotten a little tricky, she just stayed really calm. 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.240 And I'm loving the fact that she's finally hitting her 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:33.399 heavy forehand again, like with the height and particularly the 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.800 forehand up the line with like you know, she like 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:38.800 went away from that and I don't know, and it 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.800 must feel really good for her to have had the 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.560 guts to like get you know, to leave winfa set 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.159 and get be done with that experiment and move on 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.040 to somebody else in a new voice. And she has 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:56.840 clearly excelled quickly since since sort of breaking that partnership up. 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:58.679 And so it's a lesson for a lot of players 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.320 out there. Just because someone has. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:06.399 A big name in quote unquote coaching, it's not necessarily 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.840 the person for you, And you have to always be 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.360 willing to pull the ripcord when it doesn't feel right, 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:12.400 and that's what she did. 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:18.119