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Speaker 1: today we're talking about creepy pasta, which I imagined there

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Speaker 1: are three different responses out there. Some people were probably

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Speaker 1: going to creepypasta, I love creepy pasta. Other people are

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Speaker 1: going creepypasta, what are you doing covering that? And other

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Speaker 1: people are just flat up asking what that is? Creepy

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Speaker 1: creepy pasta? Dente? Yeah? Is it? Is it the texture

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Speaker 1: or the is it posta that shaped like little ghosts?

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Speaker 1: That's what in my mind when I first started hearing

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Speaker 1: about it a few years back. But what, let's explain

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Speaker 1: what creepy pasta is for everyone who's not familiar. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so I'm only recently familiar with this, uh phenomenon. But

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Speaker 1: apparently around two thousand six h a a sort of

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Speaker 1: fad I guess meme started up on the Internet called

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Speaker 1: copy pasta, and I think it originated on four Chan

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Speaker 1: and then splintered off into several different genres in different areas.

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Speaker 1: The basic idea, though, is that you're creating uh content

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Speaker 1: that's like copy and pasted into an email or maybe

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Speaker 1: on a blog or something like that. Right, It's something

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Speaker 1: I think the two most ubiquitous examples of this first

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Speaker 1: of all, emails from your grandma or your uncle chain

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Speaker 1: like some sort of ridiculous story about you know, somebody's

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Speaker 1: putting disease needles into convenience store machines, you know, or

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Speaker 1: or watch out for hoodlums throwing eggs at your car,

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Speaker 1: or people turning their lights on and off. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's always some sort of like, oh it's gang activity

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Speaker 1: or or some sort of weird horror going on in

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Speaker 1: your daily life where you could possibly believe it, but

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Speaker 1: if you actually research it, you'll see, oh, this is

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Speaker 1: just a The same couple of paragraphs have been copy

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Speaker 1: and pasted throughout the history of the Internet, and we

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Speaker 1: just keep following for it again and again. And creepy

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Speaker 1: and that it pretends to be like an urban legend

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Speaker 1: in the copy pasta that you you see some of

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Speaker 1: those emails, you know, where it's ultimately you're talking about

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Speaker 1: some sort of folkloric modern folkloric horror theme, uh that's

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Speaker 1: these author ic aesthetics using like they mimic things like

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Speaker 1: But you'll also see stuff showing up on social media

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Speaker 1: or you're doing, like we encountered this plenty of times,

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Speaker 1: certain actual experiments, and then you run across some creepyposta

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Speaker 1: experiment they're talking about? Oh, it's creepy pasta. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: is kind of perfect. And especially researching this particular episode

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Speaker 1: finding either fake articles or or the actual story itself

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Speaker 1: will have yeah, people have a legitimate question, and somebody

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Speaker 1: and I ran across this message board where somebody was asking, Hey,

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Speaker 1: then somebody had this ridiculous story shared, and then another

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Speaker 1: I think that's where I first discovered the term copy puff. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean like in today's age of like, uh, what

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Speaker 1: creating something on their own. This is the perfect kind

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Speaker 1: you could drop in some creepy pasta related to whatever

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Speaker 1: that it was haunted or something when you got it

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Speaker 1: and feel, but I think so um, people who maybe

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Speaker 1: The most famous of the creepy pasta characters or stories

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Speaker 1: is the slender Man one. Uh And I don't know

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Speaker 1: a ton about slender Man other than what I've read

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Speaker 1: he's on a horror story character, right, He's just as

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Speaker 1: much as like Jason Vorhees or Freddy Krueger, but he's

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Speaker 1: reason one of the reasons Slenderman is such a nice

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Speaker 1: He's an amalgam of pop culture influences and and ultimately

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Speaker 1: helps to make it mysterious and and and weird. I mean,

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Speaker 1: mystery and contradictions absolutely and so included in that and

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Speaker 1: We know that we are alertness lowers, right, we have

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Speaker 1: trouble concentrating. If you even lose ninety minutes of sleep

432
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Speaker 1: in one night compared to your average sleep schedule, you'll

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Speaker 1: be thirty two percent less alert the next day. So

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Speaker 1: I'm somewhere in that today. UM forty of us drivers

435
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Speaker 1: this is a scary part, scarier I think than the

436
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Speaker 1: creepy PASTA. Forty one percent of US drivers admit to

437
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: falling asleep behind the wheel because of this lack of alertness,

438
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: it also totally screws up our circadian rhythm. UH so

439
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: our body can't keep the correct time when we haven't

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Speaker 1: slept the right way. It's as if you're jet lagged,

441
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: which makes sense, and we actually on our sister show,

442
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: Brain Stuff, have done both episodes on what happens when

443
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: you don't sleep and what happens with jet lag, and

444
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: there's some really interesting stuff about jet lag in relation

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00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: to uh light entering our eyes and how it interacts

446
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Speaker 1: with our brains. So if you want to dive in more,

447
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: there's stuff there. But because the circadian rhythm is impaired.

448
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: Our motor skills are also impaired, and our hormones start

449
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: to rise and fall and these just very inappropriate ways.

450
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: We also lose memory. That's a common symptom of this.

451
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: So what we know is that when we sleep, it

452
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: consolidates our memories, basically takes the things that happened to us,

453
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Speaker 1: and it organizes it in such a way that helps

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Speaker 1: our cognitive function. It's kind of like a defragging of

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Speaker 1: the human absolute cuter. And if you're not running your

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Speaker 1: defragment defragg and if you're not running your defragger appropriately

457
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: and enough, then everything gets a bit screwed up up there. Yeah. Um.

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Speaker 1: In fact, like you start losing recall, you can even

459
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Speaker 1: create false memories, and it lowers your just general ability

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Speaker 1: to process information. Uh. And then this is a quote

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Speaker 1: directly from our house Stuff Works article on the effects

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Speaker 1: of sleep deprivation. Uh. Quote. When we learn and store

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Speaker 1: information in our memory, that information is moved from the hippocampus,

464
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Speaker 1: which we know is the memory creating region of our brain,

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Speaker 1: to the prefrontal cortex, specifically the neo cortex region, which

466
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: is where we form and store long term memories. So

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Speaker 1: you can see kind of biologically how this would start

468
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: to affect memory. There's also a process going on where

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Speaker 1: our body's glimphatic system cleans out our nervous system while

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Speaker 1: we're sleeping. But if you don't sleep, all of this waste,

471
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Speaker 1: I guess or trash starts to build up. And but

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Speaker 1: by trash, what I mean is it's cerebro spinal fluid

473
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Speaker 1: that's filled with proteins and toxins. It doesn't get flushed

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Speaker 1: out of your system, so subsequently you've got that stuff

475
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: floating around in there too. All of this can lead

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Speaker 1: to a speeding up of the progression of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. Yeah,

477
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Speaker 1: it's it's important to note here and distress here that

478
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Speaker 1: when when, when sleep deprivation is taking place, it's really

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Speaker 1: messing with the chemistry of the brain, the functioning of

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Speaker 1: the brain, and ultimately our perceptions of reality, both objective

481
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: reality and subjective reality. Playing with our memories, our perceptions

482
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: of the past. Uh, hallucinations are absolutely a symptom. Yeah,

483
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: so we're we're it's it's it's ultimately a very nightmarck scenario,

484
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: not you know, certainly not out of keeping with the

485
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: realm of creepy plasta and horror. Oh yeah, certainly. I mean,

486
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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that's probably why

487
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: this particular one is one of the most popular, is

488
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: that it's something at their core. The science c Creepypasta's

489
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: work best when it's something that almost everyone can identify with.

490
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Speaker 1: So lack of sleep is something that I think every

491
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: person reading it can kind of imagine. Yeah, sleep is

492
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: that realm of mystery, and there there is enough science

493
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: out there even if one is not that familiar with it,

494
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: it's you can you can certainly at least see it

495
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: there on the internet. You know that there have been

496
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: there's been research into sleep. You know, they are sleep

497
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Speaker 1: institutes that that work with people who have trouble. UM.

498
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Speaker 1: One of the side effects of the sleep deprivation, as

499
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Speaker 1: well as something that we've covered here on the show before,

500
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 1: is sleep paralysis. So I know you've done a video

501
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: on it, and was there a previous podcast episode about sleep.

502
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: It's come up. It's come up a lot, Like anytime

503
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: I've covered something related to supernatural experience. UM, sleep paralys

504
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: is always always up there as a possible explanation for

505
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: encounters with aliens, encounters with ghosts. Uh and and I'll

506
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: make sure we link to some resources in the landing

507
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: page for this episode. But you know, essentially it's a

508
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: situation where when you go to sleep, your body is

509
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: put on lockdown, so that if you get in a

510
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: kung fu fight with a bear in your dream, you

511
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: won't throw any kung fu strikes at the person sleeping

512
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: next to you. But in sleep paralysis, you wake up

513
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: with your mind your eyes open, but your body is

514
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: still on lockdown, and you're in this this also in

515
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: this weird phase between dream and reality where you're highly

516
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: susceptible to hallucination. Yeah, and in fact, I haven't seen it,

517
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: but I'm hoping to watch it this week. Um, have

518
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: you heard about The Nightmare? It's this documentary that's all

519
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: about sleep paralysis. This is the one from the guys

520
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: that did the Room two thirty seven. Yeah, it's the

521
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: same creative team from Room two thirty seven. And I've

522
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: heard that it is horrifying. It's a documentary. This is

523
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: not a fictional film. But as we know from you know,

524
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: researching sleep paralysis in the past, just the examples of

525
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: what people think is happening to them can be utterly terrifying. Yeah,

526
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: because you're you often have to your brain is referring

527
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: back to pre existing scripts for what you're encountering. You're

528
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: hearing or seeing something out of the ordinary, and your

529
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: brain has to make sense of it, and so it

530
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: will turn to that, uh, that episode of the X

531
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: Files that you saw, or maybe it will think back

532
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: to some creepy pops if you read on the internet,

533
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: and use that to inform what you're experiencing. So before

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00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: I go into more symptoms about I guess sleep depth,

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00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: let's tie back to that creepypasta story about the Russian

536
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: sleep experiment, and so, yes, hallucis nations are possible. Uh

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00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: so I guess you could say that there's a potential

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00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: for going crazy or at least losing the ability to

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00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: distinguish reality from fantasy. Um. And then sleep paralysis plays

540
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: into that as well, although they wouldn't be like tearing

541
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: their own organs out and stuff like that if they

542
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: had sleep paralysis. Yeah, I don't think you'd go full

543
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: hell right right? So Okay, the other really big thing

544
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: that has a multiple effects on your body when you

545
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: don't get sleep is that your genes aren't as efficient

546
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,479
Speaker 1: at handing out instructions to your body. So we call

547
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: this genetic expression, and it causes all kinds of things.

548
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: There's weight fluctuations. In fact, there's study that showed that

549
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: people who have less than seven to nine hours a

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00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: night of sleep are more likely to be overweight. Uh

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00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: and and I won't go into all the numbers here,

552
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: but basically the idea is like, the less sleep you get,

553
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: the more likely you are to be overweight. When you're

554
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: forced to stay awake, what happens is your body has

555
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: trouble processing blood sugar and leptin, which is this protein

556
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: hormone that regulates our appetite and our metabolism. Uh and

557
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: this can lead to type two diabetes, can lead to

558
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: weight gain, and due to your decreased ability to process sugar,

559
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: you're not as easily able to suppress your food craving.

560
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: So you know, if you're like me, you're going to

561
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: the fridge and having a lot of ice cream late

562
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: at night. Uh. It can also lead to illness. So

563
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: sleep deprivation diminishes our immune system, which sometimes leads to

564
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: serious or chronic illness. Blood pressure becomes a problem if

565
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: you have less than six hours of sleep at night.

566
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: It puts you at high risk for high blood pressure.

567
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: This starts over at taxing your heart. Also, your brain

568
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: doesn't have as much time to regulate the stress hormones

569
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: that are moving around in there, which also leads to

570
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: higher blood pressure. And then finally, death is a symptom

571
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: of not sleeping. So and I don't mean that like

572
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: if you don't sleep, you'll just dropped dead. In fact,

573
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: you die at a rate of two times faster than

574
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: people who have normal sleeping patterns if you're sleep deprived.

575
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: And we can look to certain experiments with animals and

576
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: if some animals certainly die without proper sleep, sleep deprivation

577
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: and rodents and flies can cause death more quickly than

578
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: food deprivation. Uh, specifically, two weeks without sleep can kill

579
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: a lap rat. Okay, So, and that's about as long

580
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: as the Creepy Pasta experiment went on for. They were

581
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: in there for about fifteen days before they started ripping

582
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: their skin off. And there was all kinds of super

583
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: gory stuff in that story that also inappropriate Amazon purchases.

584
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: That was another really experience they had Internet in thee

585
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: with the skin off, they started making inappropriate online purchases

586
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: just because they believe an altered state they're buying like

587
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: curtains made of human skin. Okay. So there's another scientific

588
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: aspect to this story as well, right, and that is

589
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: the quote experimental gas based stimulant, Okay, which could I

590
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: guess the almost anything. It could be anything, And so

591
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: it's a little difficult for us to kind of narrow

592
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: it down and say, well, the actual effects would be this,

593
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: but I thought it was worth just kind of touching

594
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: on what gas does to our bodies. Right, So, any

595
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: type of gas, chlorine, sulfur dioxide, hydrogen sulfide, nitrogen dioxide, ammonia,

596
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: you name it, they're going to irritate your lungs. And

597
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: some of them dissolve immediately, and uh, you know that's

598
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: when you experience the irritation your mouth, nose, and throat.

599
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like if you think about it, like when

600
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: you go to the gas station, you're pumping your gas

601
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: and you're inhaling stuff. That's kind of a version of this, right, Um.

602
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: But the ones that don't easily dissolve, they don't produce

603
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: early warning signs, and this can lead to things like

604
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: fluid developing your lungs and airway. They can also tree

605
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: your allergic responses. These kind of responses can scar your lungs,

606
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: maybe leading to chronic bronchitis. If the gas is radioactive,

607
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: of course it can lead to cancer. And if there's

608
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: body poisoning, it's gonna poison your body cells, right, So

609
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: if it's a poisonous gas, that's going to be lethal

610
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: to you as well. Uh, and it'll what will end

611
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: up doing is displacing the oxygen that's in your blood,

612
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: so you have less oxygen reaching your tissues. Carbon monoxide

613
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: itself doesn't appear to have any kind of neurological effects,

614
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: but levels below of like if you're exposed to it

615
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: can to decrease your mental performance. And one other study

616
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: that I found said that mustard gas affects mental health

617
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Speaker 1: even for people who have been exposed to it, like

618
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: up to twenty five years after their exposure. However, they

619
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: usually qualify that as like PTSD because their exposure to

620
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: the mustard gas was probably in a traumatic situation like war. Um.

621
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Speaker 1: So all that is to say is that yes, gas

622
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: has physical effects on your body, and there are some

623
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: connections to mental problems, I guess, but but not like

624
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: within fifteen days you'd go absolutely insane and start ripping

625
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: off your skin. Maybe we just haven't found the right

626
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: chemical yet. Maybe so we you know, we haven't stumbled

627
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: across the right experiment. Declassified experiment from World War two

628
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: era Russian history. Now this next bit of creepy pasta,

629
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Speaker 1: I found this one a lot of fun. This is

630
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Speaker 1: I think I probably like this one the most of

631
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: the ones that we looked at here in this episode. Uh.

632
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: In short, this one involves a supposed nineteen four British

633
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: Secret Intelligence Service experiment aimed at modifying human blood. Here's

634
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: a quote. The chemical would modify the blood's chemical properties

635
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: and structure so that they've shot or cut, the blood

636
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: would have the ability to freeze or solidify to where

637
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: the person would This would stop bleeding and can make

638
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: a person far stronger than an average human being. Now,

639
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: of course, as you as you you can expect, the

640
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: experiment gets all dark and monstrous, turning the test subjects

641
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: into gray skin, blood eyed, jelly blooded, thick skinned cannibals

642
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: that run them up, and as such, they end up

643
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: putting them all down, shutting down the experiment and deciding

644
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: not to um alter the blood of British soldiers. So

645
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: I think I might have read a different version than you,

646
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: because mine ended with them escaping and it was like,

647
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: these crazy super soldiers are out there somewhere and they're

648
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: homicidal and they could get you. Maybe there are a

649
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: couple of versions of it. That's the beauty of Creepypostat that. Yeah,

650
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: it can change. It's a morphous it's it's a collective,

651
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: creative scenario. I kept thinking of them as being basically

652
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: Wolverine from the X Men, like like they they all

653
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: their wounds heal immediately, right, because the I think one

654
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: of the things is like immediately after this test, they

655
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: like stab him in the leg and then shoot him

656
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: in the arm to see what happens, and like the

657
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: wounds seal up immediately, right. But it also makes them

658
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: kind of feral and crazy and try to kill everybody. Yeah.

659
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: I kind of pictured him looking like creatures from a

660
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: tool video running them up. Yeah. Yeah. Well. One of

661
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: the things I loved about this particular one is is

662
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: how much it adhered to the idea of it being

663
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: an actual lab report. It said a copy of this

664
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: lab report can be found somewhere deep within the old

665
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: m I five building in London. I like that the idea, like,

666
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: everybody who lives in London knows about the old m

667
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: I five building and you can just pop by and

668
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: let's go down and check out the file. Yeah, that's

669
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: why they're there. Uh. And they actually name three chemicals

670
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: as opposed to the Russian study, they actually name the

671
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: chemicals that these guys are exposed to no mo fungan,

672
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: peppro for a, midadine, and communison. However, in my version

673
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: it was misspelled as communism, so it was like they

674
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: were exposed of these two chemicals and communism Commune isn't

675
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: wait what is it? Commune sin? Maybe commune saint is

676
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: uh is a a drug that causes communism communism inducing

677
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: you know what? That would possibly have as much validity

678
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: as the rest of this story. Yeah, I feel like

679
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: like that was one of the drugs in RoboCop two

680
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: or something, right. Yeah, Well, the idea that they said

681
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: here was that those chemicals modified human blood chemical properties,

682
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: allowing them to solidify or freeze when the body is damaged.

683
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: And they list a couple of other things that they

684
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: do to solidify the blood. So I just want to

685
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: mention these quickly because this is kind of their scientific

686
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: basis for things. Uh. They increased the blood plasma in

687
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: the subjects, removed the thromba sites from their blood, modified

688
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: the medulla oblongata in their brains so that it would

689
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: be familiar with the modified blood cells. And then they

690
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: removed foward four to six percent of their blood volume

691
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: because I us the idea of being that once they've

692
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: done all this other stuff, their blood is thicker and

693
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: subsequently like takes up more space in their circulatory system. Uh.

694
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: And they also said that they weren't allowed to give

695
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: any food or painkillers to the subjects for at least

696
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, which I like because that's basically what

697
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: they do to you when you like go in for

698
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: prep surgery anyways. Uh. And then um, the doctors after

699
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: the experiment determined that the pH value of the blood

700
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: in these guys was lower than normal. Uh. And they

701
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: think the chemical caused aggression by modifying the medulla oblong gata.

702
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: So this is where I want to start with the

703
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: science on this one, because I, you know, within five

704
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: minutes was able to look up that the medulla oblongata

705
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: doesn't really have a whole lot to do with our

706
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: emotion and aggression in fact, this is the you know,

707
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: it's commonly known as the brain stem. It controls our

708
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: reflexes and autonomic functions, uh, limb movements of this role functions.

709
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: It's basically you know, things like blood pressure, breathe there

710
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: you gossures the aggression. But so uh yeah, unless they're like, uh,

711
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, discovering new things about that part of the

712
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: brain that we don't necessarily know. I don't know that

713
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: that that would have been the cause. If I was

714
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: on the review committee for this academic article, I would

715
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: probably point that out now. It's also worth noting here

716
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: that this is not to be confused with the Luftwaffe

717
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: as freezing experiments hypothermia that took place at doc al

718
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: and Offfitch uh during the Second World War. Uh. Those

719
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: were actually dealing with what happens when the bloody body freezes.

720
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: This is ultimately about coagulation, right and healing and what

721
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: how how our our bodies heal and what we can

722
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: do to speed that process up, especially as far as

723
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: internal bleeding goes. And there has been some interesting research

724
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: in this area of researchers trying to figure out ways

725
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: to to speed up coagulation, speed up healing and and deal,

726
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: especially with military scenarios where you need to you need

727
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: to take care of either a need for blood or

728
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: a need for for blood to do its job deep down.

729
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: If you follow like science and tech feeds, like like

730
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: like we do for work, you end up seeing a

731
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: lot of these. I'd say at least once a week

732
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: there's some kind of update on uh, either something that's

733
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: designed to seal a wound faster or you know, affect

734
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: the blood as such. Yeah, always showing up in our video. Yes,

735
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: I started playing the latest metal gear thing. Oh yeah,

736
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: Phantom Pain is that what it's called? Yeah, where it's

737
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: like ground zero. I think it's the one like free

738
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 1: this month, So I checked it out. And you get

739
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: wounded to a certain amount and you like spray your

740
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: wound with a little area. Yeah. But the first bit

741
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: to discuss here about blood science and kind of cool

742
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: blood science is there's a Cleveland, Ohio biotech firm called

743
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: Arterial Side, and they made headlines in two thousand ten

744
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: with the development of an artificial, genetically engineered blood for

745
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: use on the battlefield. So we're talking typo negative of

746
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: course here, universal blood donor because you're gonna make artificial blood.

747
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: Everybody should be able to use it. Yeah, and this

748
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: would allow for mobile blood banks and war zones. You

749
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to worry about shortages back home and then

750
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: length the shipments that decrease the shelf life for the

751
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: blood samples you need. You need blood on the on

752
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: the field, say in Afghanistan, then you have a machine

753
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: that will help create it right now, presumably. Yeah, That's

754
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: my question I guess, is that, like, are they creating

755
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: this on site in the in a battlefield scenario or

756
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: is it like they created in America and then they

757
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: shipped just all of this genetically engineered blood to wherever

758
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: the war zone is. I think the latter is probably

759
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: the more immediate goal. But my understanding based on the reading,

760
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: is that ultimately that's where they want to get. It's

761
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: to where you can have at least a local blood hub,

762
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, whereas if it's like a three D printer

763
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: of blood. Yeah, like at the very least you're like

764
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: shivving it in from the closest military base as opposed

765
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: to all the way around the world. Um. They received

766
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: one million dollars stuff for the project through DARPA and

767
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: lasted that it was really reported on. They had shipped

768
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: off samples to DARPA, and we're hoping to up production

769
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,959
Speaker 1: to bring costs down from five thousand dollars per unit

770
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: of blood to around one thousand per unit. And just

771
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: to give yourvone a reminder, one unit equals about a

772
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: point in the average human contains eight to ten points.

773
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: So in order to make enough for humanits, it's like,

774
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: at their low end, going to be eight to ten

775
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: thousand dollars worth of blood. Yeah, and the average soldier

776
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: needs six units during trauma treatment, you know, because you're

777
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: talking about situations with a lot of blood is lost.

778
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: I wonder how that compares to just to let good

779
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: old you know, Red Cross, you know, going and giving

780
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: your blood volunteer type thing. Well, I mean, of course,

781
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: then again you're dealing with all different blood types. Yeah,

782
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: that's true. And and then and then a rigorous screening

783
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: process to figure out which samples are appliable and shipping, Yeah,

784
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: and shipping, which again hurts the shelf life. So the

785
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: process here is pretty interesting. Scientists harvest hemeo to pedic

786
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: cells from the umbilical cords and via a process called farming,

787
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: that's p h A r M I N g Uh.

788
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: They turn one umbilical cord into twenty units of of

789
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: package blood. This takes place of the course of three days,

790
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: according to initial reports through Wired magazine, where they getting

791
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: all the umbilical cords from babies. Man, if you can

792
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: if baby, if you find babies where the parents are

793
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: not going to you know, dry it and get it

794
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: or eat it themselves, Uh, then yeah. The umbilical cord

795
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: is a has a lot of valuable material in it.

796
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: So this is a thing that as a someone who

797
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: doesn't have kids that I'm willfully unaware of. That's like

798
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: when you go in and have the procedure and everything

799
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: for giving birth is they're just like a you know,

800
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: in the paperwork, there's a box that you check that's

801
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: something like I want the umbilical cord, I assume. I mean,

802
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: we did not go through that process with my son,

803
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: so I'm not I'm not exactly sure how it rolls

804
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: out in real time, but I'm guessing there's a box

805
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: that you in a panic to you know, pre birthdays,

806
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: you check or you don't. Otherwise there's just like a

807
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: biohazard bag filled with umbilical cords that they then ship

808
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: off to this, so ultimately that we're talking about the

809
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: rapid expansion of umbilical cord blood sped up even more

810
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: through the use of what's called nanex technology. This is

811
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: a nano fiber based structure that mimics bone marrow and

812
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: bone marrows where blood cells generally multiply and at a

813
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: greater rate. So yeah, that's pretty impressive. Yeah, I think so.

814
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's crazy science fiction e and and

815
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: I think would lend itself well to a little tweaking.

816
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about, ultimately the discarded pieces of

817
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: a baby that are used to the eight blood for

818
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: soldiers in the field and potentially vampires, right right, Yeah,

819
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean, well that's where this would naturally ahead as

820
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: a daybreakers situation. You make these soldiers, they become vampires,

821
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: and then they vampiize the rest of the population. So

822
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: as a planet of vampires, I wonder vampires prefer oh

823
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: negative as a universal donor or does that mean it's

824
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: probably too common? Right, It's like the Coca cola blood alright,

825
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: So that's artificial blood. But then there's the use of

826
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: healing factor nanoparticles in the blood. All right, So this

827
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: is straight up wolverine healing factor is right out of

828
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: the X men exactly. This is where we're getting into,

829
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: at least the near future version of that UM. So

830
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: there are different substances that can be used as a

831
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: coagulant to help with excessive bleeding. Of course, the best

832
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: way to deal with excessive bleeding on the surfaces to

833
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: apply pressure when it's a wound that can be treated

834
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: in that manager to die or a wound UM. But

835
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: a two thousand nine study publish in the journal Science

836
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: Translational Medicine introduced the use of injectable synthetic nanoparticles or

837
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: nano platelets that curb bleeding. So normally blood platelets at

838
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: a wound site buying together in order to plug that wound. Right,

839
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: these these nano platelets, what they do is they mimic

840
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: platelet structure, so they augment the process bonding with natural

841
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: blood platelets and acting as a nanostructure. So it's like

842
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: throwing in a bunch of a bunch of extras. To say,

843
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: you're to television taping and the crowds looking kind of thin,

844
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: get some extras in there, make it look nice and

845
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: thick for the cameras. So yeah, that's what I'm kind

846
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: of thinking that it's like a thickening process, like almost

847
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: like a blood plasma and just kind of And what's more, though,

848
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: this the best part about this is again not the

849
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: use of this at at the skin level, but the

850
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: ability to to get down and stop deep and internal

851
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: bleeding more easily. Again, you can't just apply pressure if

852
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: you're dealing with bleeding inside the body. Yeah, there's got

853
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: to be so many potential hazards with this though, too.

854
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: I would imagine given the like I mean, like our

855
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: blood is like it's got that Goldilocks factor to it, right,

856
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: it has to be like just right. It can't be

857
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: too thick and it can't be too thin otherwise there's

858
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: all there's a whole host of problems I'll get into

859
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: later that you know, can affect your body. Oh yeah,

860
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm instantly thinking back to last season of The Nick.

861
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: Oh I've only seen a couple episodes. Yeah, there's some

862
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: pretty horrific It's like, you know, turn of the century hospital,

863
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: brilliant surgeon and at one point he gets obsessed with

864
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: blood transfus and trying to figure out like what's the

865
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: key and right, it's really rough stuff. But but in

866
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: this case with these particularly particular nano platelets, they found

867
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: that the stuff has had bleeding time and wounded rats.

868
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 1: And just a couple of years later, in two thousand

869
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: and eleven, the massachuse A General Hospital Center for Engineering

870
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: and Medicine developed a way to deliver nano spheres containing

871
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: keratinisite growth factor or KGF, suspended in a fibrin gel.

872
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: Uh So, again, the advantage here would be to deal

873
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: with the targeted treatment of deep wounds as opposed to

874
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: trying to treat the whole body and just get at

875
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: it um So this is right. So the difference between

876
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: this and Wolverine is that like you don't just heal

877
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: immediately from any wound. You have a wound and then

878
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: they apply these nano spheres to you, and the same

879
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: with the nanoplateist to right, It wouldn't be a matter

880
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: of as we see in the creepy pasta. It wouldn't

881
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: be like we've changed the blood of the soldiers, you know.

882
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: It's this is a way to treat the blood of

883
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: a soldier at a wound site and try to speed

884
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: up the healing. Well, okay, so you may recall that

885
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: at the top of when we were talking about this experiment,

886
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: I mentioned they had three particular chemicals that they mentioned.

887
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 1: I assumed these were fictional, but I decided to look

888
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: them up. No more funking pepper, formidadine, and commune Sin.

889
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: Turns out, at least as far as I can tell,

890
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: that they are real things. However, there were a few

891
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: links that definitely looked like they were fake. That we're

892
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: potential Uh, I'm gonna guess like fake sources to back

893
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: up the creepy pasta story. But then there were a

894
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: lot of legitimate academic chemistry articles about these that were

895
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: behind firewalls I couldn't access. But I did get access

896
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: to one that was called Synthetic Studies towards Commune Sin's

897
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: and it was published in the Israel Israel Journal of Chemistry.

898
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: In this I could barely understand it because it was

899
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: written in such deep chemistry language. However, this is what

900
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: I got out of it. Uh, these are basically the

901
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: same chemicals. They're like synthesized chemicals that are isolated from

902
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: a marine fungal strain of a penicilla uh Penicillum species,

903
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: and that there's a possible use for these as an insecticide.

904
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: They're also cytotoxic against certain tumor cells. So I think

905
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: that they're being investigated for those possible applications. Uh. And

906
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: then they were first isolated in so yeah, they really exist.

907
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,959
Speaker 1: It sounds like it doesn't sound like their usage though,

908
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: is to you know, plug up blood or make blood

909
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: freeze or anything like that. But I mean, I guess

910
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: we're looking at the standard trick here, right. You you

911
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: draw a little science terminology out, you throw it in

912
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: there in a way where you're not too specific, and

913
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: it's harder for the average reader to look at it

914
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: and call bs uh. And so it gives it that

915
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: science vibe and let me to invest a little more

916
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: of the creepy bust. They did a great job. Whoever

917
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: wrote this did a great job with the that application

918
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: of these chemicals, because not only were they like difficult

919
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: to find information on, but also they're so relatively new

920
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: in in in the research that's being done on them

921
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: that there isn't a whole lot out there. I guess

922
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: it could be plausible that, you know, somebody comes up

923
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: with his magical synthetic chemical that can freeze your blood

924
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: um and real quick let's just talk about what happens

925
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: when your blood is thickened or frozen in certain situations.

926
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: First of all, it's very rare that you could freeze

927
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: human beings blood while it was still inside their body.

928
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: The hypothalamus constantly tries to keep the core of our

929
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: body is warm, so it constricts our blood supprise supply

930
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: to the core of our bodies, essentially removing it from

931
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: the extremities if necessary. So that's why you get those

932
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: instances of like frostbite, where people's fingers or toes fall

933
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: off and stuff like that. Um. But even in cryonics

934
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: when they're going to freeze somebody's body, your blood isn't

935
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: frozen from what I understand reading about it. Your body

936
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: is usually injected with something called hepperin, which is an anticoagulant,

937
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: and the reason why is to prevent blood clotting while

938
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: you're under I don't know what's the proper term under

939
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: freeze the freezer. Um. And then lastly, there is a

940
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: there there are a couple of different diseases that lead

941
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: to blood thickening. One in particular is called Hughes syndrome,

942
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: and that's an abnormal immune system response that causes your

943
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: blood to thicken. Basically. The idea here is it sounds

944
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: similar to the nanotech we were talking about earlier. It

945
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: causes your blood platelets to clump together. But this can

946
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: be very dangerous, like I was saying earlier, because it

947
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: can lead to thrombosis, which can subsequently lead to something

948
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: like a heart attack or a stroke or I suppose

949
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: even an aneurysm. But no cannibalism. Nope, they don't have

950
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: that yet. Alright, alright, well, now we're gonna turn to

951
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: the third section here and and this one we're really

952
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 1: drawing on two different uh cre bepastas, which will will

953
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: refer to here in short. One is the Harbinger experiment

954
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: and the other one is Gateway of the Mind. And

955
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: they both resolve and they both revolve around the same thing. Really, yeah,

956
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: so the Harbinger Experiment, this creepy pasta is this was

957
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: a bit long, and it it kind of reads like,

958
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, average weird fiction story. Really, the basics here

959
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: is it's some manner prolonged isolation experiment with an occult twist,

960
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 1: some entity that's summoned into the bodies of the patients

961
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: by this mysterious doctor Zimmerman. Zimmerman wants to prove the

962
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: existence of the spirit realm by trapping a spirit in

963
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: a human body, a human body that he's injected with

964
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: a compound that somehow prevents the spirit from leaving again

965
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: while the host is still alive, right, right, And yeah,

966
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: if I remember this one correctly, like Zimmerman is like

967
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: fantastically rich and like does all of this at like

968
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: an off site, hidden bunker underground where he's like hired

969
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: his own private army and team of researchers. Right, so

970
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: you can imagine how it ends up, right, right, And

971
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, and now the the other one

972
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: is Gateway of the Mind. Do you want to roll

973
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: the Yeah, this one is an interesting one. So the

974
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: idea with this is that in ninety three there's this

975
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: team of scientists. The story refers to them as deeply

976
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: pious scientists, uh, and that the idea is that they

977
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: want to prove the existence of God. So their theory

978
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: is that without sensory input, that human beings would be

979
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: able to perceive the presence of God. So and that

980
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: they interfere with some kind of holy signal. Right, So

981
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: what they do is they take this elderly volunteer, and

982
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: they surgically cut out nerves so he can't see here, taste, smell,

983
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: or feel. Uh, and he can he can't communicate, but

984
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: he can, like you're can clearly talk. He's sort of

985
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: like yells Yeah, I don't think he knows what's going

986
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: on around him, but he like yells out things about

987
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: what he's experiencing. But he's basically alone with his thoughts,

988
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: and Yeah, what happens is he goes totally crazy. He

989
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: says that he's talking to ghosts. He's able to like

990
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: use information from the ghosts to like prove that there's

991
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: something supernatural going on to the researchers right by like

992
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: revealing secrets about them that nobody else would know. And

993
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: then at the very end, he tells them that he's

994
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: a he's had a conversation with God and God has

995
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: abandoned us. Okay, well, I feel like it kind of

996
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: loses a little steam there at the end, with like

997
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: like maybe maybe the message that he revealed shouldn't be

998
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: so explicit, but I'm I'm I'm not picking him. Yeah,

999
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: they sort of like this the author or authors of

1000
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: this creepy pasta, it seems like God is sort of

1001
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: kg about getting in touch with this guy who doesn't

1002
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 1: have his five senses. Like the ghosts show up pretty quickly,

1003
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: but God like waits until like the absolute last minute,

1004
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: and all he does is to say, like, hey, I've

1005
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: abandoned you guys. I'm on vacation out of the week.

1006
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: So both of these, on one level, they deal with

1007
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: this idea of like, let's scientifically prove the afterlife, and

1008
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: and there have been a number of experiments and sort

1009
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: of studio experiments that have gone into that. We have

1010
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: a whole episode of stuff to blow your mind to

1011
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: deals with soul weighing experiments that tried to show that

1012
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: the soul has weight and therefore there is a soul,

1013
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: there is some part of us that's immortal and to death. Um,

1014
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: there there's real science behind that too, Isn't there like

1015
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: a particular like I remember like that there's like a

1016
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: very specific weight that they said that oh yeah, there's

1017
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: disappears when you die or something like that. Right, Yeah,

1018
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: I think twenty one Grahams is the number of those

1019
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: as we discussed in that episode, which I'll link to

1020
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: on the landing page of this episode. Uh, you know,

1021
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: there's some science applied. It's very rough and even there

1022
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: are a lot of problems. There's some more recent theories

1023
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: that are interesting. But both of these experiments ultimately deal

1024
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: with isolation. Right, what happens when someone is isolated from

1025
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: from sensory input. Particularly in the case of the experience

1026
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna discuss here, you put them in a room,

1027
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: you put them in solitary confined Yeah, what happens when

1028
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: you deprive us of our environment that we've evolved to

1029
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: thrive within. What happens to the mind? Yeah, And so

1030
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: I think it's worth mentioning here before we get into

1031
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: the science of it, of what happens when you're deprived

1032
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: of your senses and for that matters social interaction. That

1033
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: both Robert and I have gone into sensory deprivation tanks before,

1034
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: so we have personal experience with this. Uh. In my case,

1035
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: I didn't hallucinate, which seems to be a common symptom

1036
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: that people have. But it was enjoyable. It was peaceful.

1037
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: You basically lay inside a big tank that's dark, laying

1038
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: on top of salt water. Uh. For in my case,

1039
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: it was about an hour long. UH. And um, you know,

1040
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: because of the water. Your ears are plugged out. Oh no,

1041
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: you I wore ear plugs. But there the water also

1042
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: keeps you from really being able to hear anything. You

1043
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: can't see anything, you don't really feel anything other than

1044
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: the water. Uh, and the taste of salty air. Yeah.

1045
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: When I went into it, I wasn't really thinking about

1046
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: how salty it was gonna be, and how that there's

1047
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: a good point, a good portion of the float experience

1048
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: that has spent reacting to the feel of the salt water,

1049
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: the smell of the salt water, and and just sort

1050
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: of getting past that. Yeah, I guess I should clarify

1051
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: that there's so much salt water that you float to

1052
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: the top like you're not just laying in it, Like

1053
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: you instantly are acquainted with any random nix or scratches

1054
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: or itches on your body because now they have tons

1055
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: of salt pressing up against them. So we've had a

1056
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: number of of studies that have looked at at what

1057
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: happens when you put somebody in solitary confinement, when you

1058
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: isolate someone from stimuli. Uh. There's a two on from

1059
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: Wire magazine by Brandon Kime titled The Horrible Psychology of

1060
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: solitary confinement, and it takes a nice look at horror

1061
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: fine topic pointing out the solitary confinement has been shown

1062
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: to make prisoners extremely anxious, to make them angry, make

1063
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: them hallucinate, experienced mood swings and flatness, the loss of

1064
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: impulse control, and this is all on top of aggravating

1065
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 1: any pre existing mental illnesses. Um. So they We've looked

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Speaker 1: at solitary confinement many times from a scientific standpoint in

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01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: the past, and it generally comes in waves responding to

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01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: trends and concerns related to modern and carson incarceration. So

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01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: the mid eighteen hundreds or concern and interest in this.

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01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: In the nineteen fifties, it popped up again due in

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01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: part as a reaction to the Korean War um prisoners

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01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: of war and how they were allegedly treated, and then

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01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: it rose up again in the nineteen eighties with you know,

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01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: some research spread out in between, but those are sort

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01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: of the big periods. So I have to say, like

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01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: every time, like I read a fictional account or watch

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01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: a TV shower movie where it's a prison setting and

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01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: somebody does something wrong and get sent to solitary arry,

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Speaker 1: my first thought is always like that sounds great. Yeah, like,

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01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you get to be away from all the

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01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: craziness and do you sit all by yourself in a

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01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: room and hang out and sleep and you're alone with

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01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: your thoughts. However, I don't think it's as peaceful as

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Speaker 1: I'm imagining it to be based on these experiments, right,

1085
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: and also on other things we know, and it's based

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01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: on accounts for people to talk about. It is just

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Speaker 1: this brutalization of the mind. Essentially in absence of stimuli,

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01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: we focus on what little stimuli there is. Our brains

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01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: are made for a world of you know, fixed and

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01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: moving objects of varied environmental actions going on, not a

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01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: limited cell. So you get in there, your brain end

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01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: up chewing on itself. Uh. May maybe it's some detail

1093
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: in the cell. Maybe it's um, it's something in your

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01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: memory that your brain finds something to focus on and

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01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: sort of recreate the world you've been robbed off out

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01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: of its limited pieces. And this is the Hannibal Lecter style,

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01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,439
Speaker 1: like like forming what does he call it his memory palace? Yeah?

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01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: I think he doesn't. He paint the walls with to

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01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: resemble Florence or something. It depends on the iteration of Hannibal.

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01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, in the TV show which just ended, I

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01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: believe once they actually incarceerate him, like he just constructs

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01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: it all inside it like he can, like because he's

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01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: such a crazed genius, he can like go inside his

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01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: memory palace and it's like he's in a church in

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01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: Florence or something like that. Yeah. So, like basically that's

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01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: what your brain wants to do, but oftentimes you don't

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01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: have and you don't have that rich tapestry to to

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01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: to draw on. What you have are maybe some traumatic

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01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: memories from your incarceration. Maybe it's you know, some weird

1110
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: markings on the wall or something that's troubling you in

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01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: the back of your mind, and that's what gets fixed up.

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01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: That's what he is, blown out into your new virtual world. Yeah, well,

1113
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: so I own I and actually has a really nice

1114
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: summary piece less about um, the isolation part, but more

1115
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: about the sensory deprivation. And guess who came up at

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01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: the beginning of their article. It was the good old

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01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: John C. Lily Uh character that often seems to come

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01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: up on stuff to blow your mind. In fact, we've

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01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: talked recently about maybe doing an episode just about him.

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01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: And you you were the one who told me. I

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01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: think that. Uh. He was the inspiration for Altered States, right,

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01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: which is kind of my go to, uh pop culture

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01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: movie reference for sensory deprivation tanks. He claimed that when

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01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: he was in a sensory deprivation tank, it allowed him

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01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: to make contact with creatures from another dimension. Uh. And

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01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: they're from a civilization that was far more advanced than

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01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: our own. Uh. So that is, I guess kind of

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01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: close to the Harbinger story. Although I don't know necessarily

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01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: that John C. Lily is a reliable source. Um. He is.

1130
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: He's a kind of a problematic source, but a fascinating one. Um.

1131
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: But hallucinations are absolutely real, um people. We definitely know

1132
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: people have hallucine nations when they're deprived of their senses.

1133
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: Renowned physicist Richard Feynman has described having them when he

1134
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: was in a sensory deprivation chamber. We have lots of

1135
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: examples of studies that have been done. Uh. Both meditation

1136
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: and senor sensory deprivation are linked to decreased alpha waves

1137
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: and increased theta waves within our brains. These are the

1138
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: same things that we we find when we're in a

1139
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: sleeping state. And in fact, we're going to find as

1140
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: we kind of go through the sensory deprivation stuff that

1141
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot of connections to what we were talking

1142
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: about earlier with the Russian sleep experiment story of sleep.

1143
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: So there's a connection between the isolation and the sleep stuff,

1144
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: at least in how our brains work. Uh. There's an investigation,

1145
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: uh in two thousand nine that showed that some people

1146
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: within fifteen minutes of sensory deprivation will have hallucinations triggered. Uh.

1147
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: And however, I will qualify it by saying that this

1148
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: particular study, they the people that they got for this

1149
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: study purposely were scored low on what is called a

1150
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: revised hallucination scale. I'd love to know that test, how they,

1151
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: how they how they determined that basically what this man

1152
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: was like these people, I think we're in like the

1153
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: lower twenty percentile of people who are are likely to

1154
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: have hallucinations. Now, it's also worth noting that that this

1155
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: kind of isolation warps our perception of time, and you know,

1156
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: part of that you get into the whole just a

1157
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: of relative nature of time. Right. An hour spent in

1158
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: a boring waiting room is is far different than an

1159
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: hour spent at the carnival. Right. Sociologist and caving enthusiast

1160
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: Maresio Mantobini spent three hundred and sixty six days in

1161
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: an Italian cave to replicate a long solitary space flight.

1162
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: You know, what would be the experience of staying in

1163
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: a little tube on your way to Mars. Right Um.

1164
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: When he emerged, he was convinced only two hundred and

1165
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: nineteen days had passed uh instead of three hundred and

1166
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: sixty six, So sweep wave cycles had nearly doubled in

1167
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: this in this scenario. So there's another connection. Your senses

1168
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: are inherently connected, I guess to your circadian rhythm. That

1169
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: gets back to what I was talking about earlier with

1170
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: light and jet lag. Uh. There's another crazy story that

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01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: we have that's an instance of this. In nineteen sixty one,

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01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: it's a French geologist named Michel Sifra who studied an

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01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: underground glacier beneath the French Alps, and he ended up

1174
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: staying for two months instead of his anticipated two weeks.

1175
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: And what happened was he basically decided to stop doing

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01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: his study and live like an animal. That's quote. I

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01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: think that's his quote, live like an animal. And when

1178
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,919
Speaker 1: he was tested back on the surface, when his team

1179
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: finally got him out, they found that it took him

1180
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: five minutes to count to one twenty seconds. So it

1181
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: definitely interferes with our perceptions of time. Yeah, and therefore

1182
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: also ends up our sleep and in the the way

1183
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: that plays into how we use our time for reasons

1184
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: that we're still not sure about it. It. Uh, it

1185
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: really blows out your sleep cycle. So most underground dwellers

1186
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: shift to a forty eight hour cycle, thirty six hours

1187
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,919
Speaker 1: of activity followed by twelve hours of sleep. I don't

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01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: know if well, I suppose if I was in the

1189
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: right environment, I would shift over to that, but I

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01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: don't know that I could be awake for thirty six

1191
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: hours straight. Um. One of the key series of experiments

1192
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: here and again I mentioned the you know, the different

1193
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: boom periods for for isolation experimentation. UH. This was McGill

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01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: University Medical Center in Montreal, where psychologist Donald Hebb led

1195
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: several key isolation experiments in the late fifties. Again, this

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01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: is after the Korean Wars. Find to to some po

1197
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: dew treatment. UH. Volunteer students were put in soundproof cubicles.

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01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: They even gave them translucent advisors, cotton gloves, cardboard cuffs

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01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: to you know, keep them from feeling way that doesn't

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01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: involve slicing nerves. They have hm U shaped pillows turn

1201
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: on some white noise, and they found that the test

1202
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: stuff just became restless and mirror hours and in some

1203
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: cases became anxious and emotional. Their abilities in arithmetic and

1204
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,759
Speaker 1: word association tests quickly took a dive. And then uh,

1205
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 1: the hallucinations points of light lines or shapes eventually bizarre

1206
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,520
Speaker 1: seen such ads and these are at actual scenes. Hallucinations

1207
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: are crazy? Is there like the kind of urban legend

1208
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: hallucinations you hear? Like, well, such and such kid took

1209
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: LSD and then he saw this for the rest of

1210
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: his life or whatever, right, like these are nuts? Yeah,

1211
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: And speaking of nuts, they have the first squirrels marching

1212
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: with sacks over their shoulders. Another one processions of eyeglasses

1213
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: filing down a street. One one person only saw dogs,

1214
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: another one only saw babies. Um, and they had no

1215
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: control over the visuals are just rolled them out. So

1216
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: this this reminds me of two things. I mean First

1217
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,799
Speaker 1: of all, what we said earlier about the brain focusing

1218
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: on one little thing, it just it has to fill

1219
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: up your world, and it ends up filling your world

1220
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 1: up with a baby baby. Just yeah, And I know,

1221
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: I think it was like lots of babies. It wasn't

1222
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: just like a baby or two. It was like, I

1223
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: think this person was just hallucinating hordes of babies, which

1224
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 1: sounds like the scariest horror movie never made. And again,

1225
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: it's like they had no control over. So this is

1226
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: the kind of perhaps some people who engage in meditation

1227
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 1: or yoga can relate to this. But when I am

1228
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: finishing yoga, sometimes when I'm in shovasana, I get to

1229
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 1: experience some level of hallucination that I don't have control over.

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01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: It's often just lights and stuff, you know, but you're

1231
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: just sort of watching it transpire. You're not directly influencing

1232
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 1: what you're seeing. Yeah, absolutely, I've I've had similar situations before,

1233
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: although nothing audible, which is apparently what happened in this

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01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: McGill's study. Right, Yeah, there were some audible hallucinations or

1235
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: hearing music, they're hearing sounds, tactile hallucinations where they touched

1236
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,759
Speaker 1: the door knob and they think they feel a shock.

1237
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: Another person said that they felt Palett's hitting their skin. Yeah.

1238
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:06,759
Speaker 1: So basically the gist of this is that they weren't

1239
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: even able to finish this study. They wanted it to

1240
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: be several weeks long, but everyone became so distressed and

1241
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: had so much trouble that they just ended the study. Uh,

1242
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: they only lasted a few days in isolation. None of

1243
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: them lasted more than a week, and they reported, you know,

1244
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: they were unable to think clearly the whole time. They

1245
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: were actually more susceptible to suggestion after they got out. So,

1246
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: for instance, one of the things that they did was

1247
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: suggest to them, uh, while they were sorry, while they

1248
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: their their senses were deprived, they suggested to them that

1249
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: ghosts were real. And then when they got out of

1250
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: the situation, they asked them questions about the paranormal and

1251
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,799
Speaker 1: these people were now more likely to think that ghosts

1252
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: were real, which lent credence to this idea that, you know,

1253
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: there was this paranoid idea that the Soviets were using

1254
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: sensory deprivation in some kind of way to brainway people

1255
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: write like a man Churian candidate kind of situation, and

1256
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: so that subsequently led to even more research in this area,

1257
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: also done at at McGill. This guy d Ewen Cameron.

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01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: He was the head of McGill's psychiatry department in the

1259
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: fifties and he was inspired by Heav's work, so he

1260
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: began employing sensory deprivation as part of a technique called

1261
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: psychic driving. This is something we should probably do an

1262
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: episode on UH and his unsuccessful attempt to reprogram the

1263
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: minds of mentally ill patients. So basically he justified this saying,

1264
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: you know this, this was something that was sort of

1265
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: necessary so that we could better understand the mind and

1266
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: lieu of the Soviet brainwashed characters. UM. Ultimately the patients

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01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: some of them ended up suing him afterwards, and UH

1268
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifties six he wrote in the American Journal

1269
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: of Psychiatry that he would hypnotize schizophrenic patients under the

1270
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: stimulant drugs and after prolonged psychological isolation. So, like we

1271
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: were saying earlier, like let's say you're a prisoner and

1272
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: you're putting solitary confinement and you're already mentally ill, like

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Speaker 1: that's not going to help the situation. This guy was

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Speaker 1: like doing that to people on purpose and then throwing

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Speaker 1: drugs into the mix. Uh, and then finally, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: ultimately like this is a real ethics violation. I think

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Speaker 1: this is one of those things that probably led to

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Speaker 1: the strict adherence to institutional review boards that we have nowadays.

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Speaker 1: In most studies, these people were sick, they had mental illness,

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Speaker 1: and they wanted to get help, but instead they were

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01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,839
Speaker 1: just subjected to this kind of brutal research that seemed

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01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: to be largely stimulated by the Cold War. Just have

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Speaker 1: one more study on all this. In two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 1: psychologist Ian Robbins created recreated HEBBS experiments and in collaboration

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Speaker 1: with the BBC, and in this they isolated six volunteers

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Speaker 1: for forty eight hours and sound proof rooms, all this

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Speaker 1: taking place in a former UM nuclear bunker. This sounds

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01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: fairly close to the Harbinger. It does, and they've had

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Speaker 1: similar results the anxiety, extreme emotions, paranoia, significant deterioration in

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Speaker 1: their mental functioning, and of course crazy hallucinations. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to list these hallucinations because they're just

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Speaker 1: as bonkers. Isn't a perspetch one? Person hallucinated a heap

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Speaker 1: of five thousand empty oyster shells, and then there are

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Speaker 1: other things like a snake, zebras, tiny cars the room

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Speaker 1: taking off I think, like flying a bunch of mosquitoes,

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Speaker 1: and then this one that there are fighter planes flying

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Speaker 1: and buzzing around within the room. So yeah, so the

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Speaker 1: deprivation can definitely uh twist your mind. Yeah, you remove

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Speaker 1: human from its natural sweep cycles, You remove a human

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Speaker 1: from its natural environment, and you change the expression of

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Speaker 1: the mind, You change our experience of reality, and that

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Speaker 1: is ultimately a very terrifying concept to wrap our heads

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01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: around and lends itself so well to uh to too horror. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess like ultimately, what I come back to the

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Speaker 1: Harbinger and the Gateway of the mind is the idea

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Speaker 1: of being able to just sever our connections to our

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Speaker 1: senses from our consciousness. That is very scary. Um yeah,

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Speaker 1: to the point that I don't know that I can

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Speaker 1: imagine it. Yeah, I mean, it significantly changes what it

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Speaker 1: is to be human. And that's you know, ultimately, stories

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Speaker 1: like this, that's what it's about. It's about exploring the

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Speaker 1: human condition. Uh, though taking a more frightening approach to

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01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: that exploration. In a lot of ways, it's connected to

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Speaker 1: the episodes that we did on feral children and their

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Speaker 1: social isolation and sort of what resulted from that. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: all right, So there you have it, creepy pasta apasta experiment.

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Speaker 1: So that's just three of these creepy pasta stories. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my impression is that there are thousands of youngs out there,

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Speaker 1: and and even just within the like sort of sub

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Speaker 1: genre of science e creepy pastas, there's probably hundreds, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if everyone liked this particular episode and you want more,

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Speaker 1: we could probably do another couple of creepy pasta episodes

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Speaker 1: to illuminate the science behind the scares. Yeah. In fact,

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Speaker 1: so if there is a creepy pasta story out there

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Speaker 1: that you think is particularly good for us to cover,

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Speaker 1: we'd like to hear about it. Let us know over

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Speaker 1: our social media channels. Again, we're on Facebook, Twitter, and

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Speaker 1: tumbler uh, and we're Blow the Mind on all of

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Speaker 1: those channels. And then of course you can always write

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Speaker 1: and let us know about your creepy pastas or potential

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Speaker 1: science that's connected to creepy pastas that you've read at

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