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Speaker 1: they're gonna expel him anyway, and then we'll just get

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Speaker 1: good shot at winning next Musay. Sean Davis is co

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Speaker 1: founder of the Federalists. Federalists is a great sight. You

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Speaker 1: all should check it out if you're not already doing so.

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Speaker 1: The Federalist dot Com. Mr Davis, always a pleasure, sir,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you making the time. Thanks for having me Buck

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Speaker 1: eight four four nine to eight to five eight four

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Speaker 1: you think about all this, my friends. You have thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the latest with the FBI, the Mueller probe, the

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Speaker 1: we've got all that and more to talk about Kanyers

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Speaker 1: retiring today. Hey, hey, you know what I mean. You

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Speaker 1: gotta give you guys a politicians. You gotta give us

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Speaker 1: people credit. There's some some good spin from the Kanyers

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Speaker 1: team here retiring. That's one way that that's the moment

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Speaker 1: of play it. You gotta like that. We will also

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Speaker 1: talk about what's going on in uh well, what's going

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Speaker 1: on with the possibility of the move of the US

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Speaker 1: Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem in case you know,

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Speaker 1: currently you have the consulate in Jerusalem, the embassy of

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Speaker 1: the United States government in Tel Aviv. Very sticky, difficult

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Speaker 1: political situation there. We'll talk about that and also an

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Speaker 1: update on this Supreme Court, this massive Supreme Court decision

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Speaker 1: that will be coming down. Uh, they just had oral arguments,

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Speaker 1: so the decision will take a little while. But we

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Speaker 1: can talk about what is going on here, what's at stake?

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Speaker 1: Can they make you bake a cake and write whatever

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Speaker 1: message they want you too on it? That and more

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Speaker 1: coming up, and or just incredibly unself aware and really

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Speaker 1: dumb about like what the job was, about how important

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Speaker 1: it was, and how under the microscope every move you

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Speaker 1: made would be. I think they just thought they'd go

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Speaker 1: in there and flim flam and riff through it. And

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Speaker 1: I think they're shocked that the news is tightening and

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Speaker 1: that people might go to jail right the rest of

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Speaker 1: their lives. People might go to jail for the rest

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Speaker 1: of their lives, this Trump collusion. They're just gonna go

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Speaker 1: to jail forever because there's bad men. Nope, that's not

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. Say what you will about General Flynn and

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Speaker 1: his pleading to lying to the FBI, But if he

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Speaker 1: gets twelve months in a minimum security federal facility, I'd

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Speaker 1: be I'd be shocked. I would be shocked. And it's

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Speaker 1: not and they've got nothing on Trump. And as I

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Speaker 1: have been saying, all along, despite what Mika says there.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't know what they're I

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Speaker 1: don't know what they're putting in the sparkling water out

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Speaker 1: at the Nantucket Yacht Club, but whatever it is, it

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Speaker 1: is making mek a very upset about Trump. But it's

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Speaker 1: just like I'm upset they're gonna go to prison for

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Speaker 1: the rest of their lives. And there's Joe to be like,

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Speaker 1: that's right, Mika, share your political analysis for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the country. By the way, I'm working on getting

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Speaker 1: my hair to stand straight up. It's gonna be amazing.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a new style called the Scarborough. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's sort of us. It's like a I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you're familiar with what a with what a finance

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Speaker 1: bro is, but Joe Scarborough is the television equivalent now

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Speaker 1: of a cross between a finance bro and a frat

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Speaker 1: or fraternity bro. Uh in his fifties, right, That's that's

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Speaker 1: kind of that's what I see playing out there on TV.

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Speaker 1: Never heard him say anything insightful and all the close.

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Speaker 1: I don't watch the show, but I see a lot

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Speaker 1: of clips of it posted usually when they're like, I

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Speaker 1: mean Mika, they're gonna go to prison forever. But don't worry.

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Speaker 1: I'll protect you. She's like, oh, Joe, please, they're just

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Speaker 1: so evil. What we'll I do? They're gonna go to

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Speaker 1: Prinston forever. I'm here in Mika. I've got your back.

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Speaker 1: To worry about it, babe. It's amazing. It's amazing to see. Uh,

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Speaker 1: let's see how some people. Yeah, this is what America

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Speaker 1: has the option of watching that Morning Joe Show. And

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Speaker 1: here we are. Here we are um talking about how

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Speaker 1: That's not gonna happen. By the way, that is not

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. They We're not going to jail for the

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Speaker 1: rest of our lives. But there you go. That's the annount.

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Speaker 1: I will get to what we should do or what

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Speaker 1: should be done about all this, But not yet. Tom

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Speaker 1: in Ohio on w w V A What's Up Tom

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Speaker 1: Good Evening book. You know, first of all, Jeff Sessions

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Speaker 1: has to a point or Congress has to point another

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Speaker 1: special prosecutor to look into this home ness. You know,

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Speaker 1: we went from fast and furious with the guns at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the Obama administration to uh uh fast

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Speaker 1: and footloose here at the end with the Justice Department,

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Speaker 1: with the UH FBI, and and and that includes uh

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Speaker 1: I think Rod Rosenstein, uh includes McCabe, It includes obviously

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Speaker 1: al inch and and I think that the only way

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Speaker 1: we get to the bottom of this is if number one,

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Speaker 1: there's another special prosecutor, because this this whole special prosecutor

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Speaker 1: with Weissman is tainted as the lead uh uh prosecutor

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Speaker 1: under Mueller, the FBI agents that have been investigating it's tainted.

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Speaker 1: And I think the only thing the way we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get just as done here is if that's thrown out

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Speaker 1: or at least set aside or let him Mueller continue

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Speaker 1: to do what he wants. But I have a special

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Speaker 1: prosecutor investigating his uh investigation. And you know here's another thing,

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Speaker 1: buck uh. It's interesting. I think Sean Hannity pointed out

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Speaker 1: that call Me and Mueller were the two FBI lead

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Speaker 1: investigators in that Anthrax scare situation here, but the twenty

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Speaker 1: years ago, and they hounded this one guy and said

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Speaker 1: it was him, and it ended up the taxpayers had

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Speaker 1: to pay five million dollars because in restitution because it

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Speaker 1: wasn't him. I hope that Flynn's wife, uh, and and

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Speaker 1: family because keep in mind, you know, they they bortgaged

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Speaker 1: the house. They've lost a lot of money, a lot

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Speaker 1: of grief and Paul Maniford's wife who was woken up

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Speaker 1: in the morning hours and is still in bed, and

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Speaker 1: and you know, uh, but they did a no knock

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Speaker 1: rate on Manafort's house. That's scary stuff. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: that can go bad really quickly too. You know, people

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Speaker 1: always assume that yours, oh it's fine. Ever knows the FBI. Uh,

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Speaker 1: someone comes in your door and you know you're scared.

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Speaker 1: It's a little dark where you are, bad things can happen.

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Speaker 1: So there's this isn't no risk stuff either, just based

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Speaker 1: upon what is being put out now. As far as

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Speaker 1: would have grounds for I mean, I'm not an attorney,

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Speaker 1: but I would think they have grounds for a civil lawsuit.

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Speaker 1: And if I were on a jury, I had to

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Speaker 1: warn them money, even if it's taxpayers money. But uh,

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Speaker 1: whole situation with Hillary now makes sense as to how

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Speaker 1: that happened, and the whole situation with Lynch and and

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Speaker 1: whole situation was set up by a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: who were part of the resistance in the last administration

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Speaker 1: trying to totally undermine the Trump administration. And they've done

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Speaker 1: a great job. I mean, think how much more Trump. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been. They've been very successful. They've been very successful

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Speaker 1: in trying to use uh to to weaponize the do

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Speaker 1: stymying and obstructing the Trump administration and its agenda. So

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Speaker 1: that they've been quite successful up to this point. And

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Speaker 1: they've already got and thank you for calling in Tom,

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Speaker 1: they've already got a series of of victims to uh

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Speaker 1: well scalps. I guess you could say that they've already

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Speaker 1: there have been some legal casualties of this whole process,

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Speaker 1: and there's not nearly enough attention paid to that. This

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Speaker 1: is not just like, oh, we're going to find the

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Speaker 1: truth that everything's fine. People's lives are offended by this,

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Speaker 1: people who in some cases East in good faith. Whether

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Speaker 1: you want to extend that to Manafort and his his

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Speaker 1: buddy or not, it's a whole separate issue. But at

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Speaker 1: least this guy, Papadopolis and certainly General Flynn, they were

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Speaker 1: trying to help their They believe that they were gonna

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Speaker 1: be serving their country in good faith. Flynn had been

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Speaker 1: doing it for thirty plus years, and now they are

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Speaker 1: treated like pariahs by their own country and they are

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Speaker 1: in the crosshairs of a Mueller probe that is clearly politicized.

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Speaker 1: So on what to do about it, and this might

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Speaker 1: be a continue We might have to continue this into

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Speaker 1: the next hour for just a little bit here, but

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Speaker 1: you have, uh, well, first you got Trey Goudy saying

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Speaker 1: that there's a problem here, essentially what I've been talking

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Speaker 1: about this hour, that we should be concerned about what

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Speaker 1: we are finding out about the FBI. He is anti Trump,

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Speaker 1: perhaps pro Clinton. Text. People have the right to assume

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Speaker 1: the people that are investigating them are objective and have

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Speaker 1: not already made up their minds. That's why we need

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Speaker 1: to see the text and we need to interview this

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Speaker 1: special agent. But the Bureau has had a really bad

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Speaker 1: last eighteen months and and and this um this makes

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Speaker 1: it worse. Frankly, I do find it interesting the FBI

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Speaker 1: changed the words grossly negligent, which is exactly what's in

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Speaker 1: the statute, so extremely careless, which is a synonym which

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Speaker 1: just not what's in the statute. Another reason we got

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Speaker 1: to get this agent in and then comb me in

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Speaker 1: to understand the decision making back in Grey Gality is

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Speaker 1: a former former prosecutor himself, and he smells funky. He

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Speaker 1: smells the funky. He knows it's there, and he knows

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Speaker 1: that they dig more, They're gonna find out more. And

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Speaker 1: this could get very ugly, my friends, because if the

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Speaker 1: credibility of the do o J and with it at

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Speaker 1: least the top ranks, the top echelon of the FBI

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Speaker 1: comes to and it comes to be an issue. Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton here, everybody, thank you for join me, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for staying with me. I want to continue on our

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Speaker 1: threat a little bit about what should be done in

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Speaker 1: response to the continued nonsense from nonsense that we're seeing

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes in the Muller pro Ryan, what what

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Speaker 1: what could we do about this? Yeah, we have to

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Speaker 1: keep on earthing more information. Yes, we have to get

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Speaker 1: to the bottom of exactly how partisan this may or

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Speaker 1: may not have been. And we also might have to

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Speaker 1: find out about what really went down with the whole

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Speaker 1: Hillary email probe. They've spent five million dollars. I think

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Speaker 1: it is so far on the Mueller investigation into Russia collusion,

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Speaker 1: which is not even a crime. It's a counterintelligence investigation

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Speaker 1: masquerading as a criminal investigation, which is just a fan

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Speaker 1: see way of saying this is all about politics. I

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Speaker 1: would note that the esteemed Andy McCarthy over the weekend

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Speaker 1: wrote on National Review that this is really just about

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Speaker 1: trying to find embarrassing stuff at this point, most likely

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Speaker 1: not not definitely, but most likely find embarrassing stuff about

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Speaker 1: Trump and then hope that that has political ramifications up

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Speaker 1: to and including impeachment, which could be used without there

642
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Speaker 1: being a criminal proceeding per se against Trump. And you

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Speaker 1: even had a very on on the left celebrated for

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Speaker 1: reasons beyond my understanding writer at Vox, which is a

645
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Speaker 1: progressive site. I'm sure you're like, wait, Fox, yet, it's

646
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Speaker 1: not not worth your time. But as re Klein was

647
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Speaker 1: saying that, yeah, we should probably accept that impeachment as

648
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Speaker 1: what we should do impeachment as the proper uh political

649
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: remedy to something that we don't like. Essentially, use it

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00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: as a recall mechanism. That's what impeachment should be. It's

651
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: not even for high crimes and misdemeanors. It's just be

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Speaker 1: we don't we don't like this president. He's doing a

653
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: bad job. Impeach him. Now, there are some big hurdles

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Speaker 1: of that, like you need two thirds of the center,

655
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Speaker 1: and Republicans won't go along in all of it. But

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Speaker 1: it just gives you a sense of what the mentality

657
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Speaker 1: is that is at work here, and that's I think important.

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Speaker 1: Hum mind, But what could Republicans do if they just

659
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Speaker 1: don't want to sit around and play defense the whole time,

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Speaker 1: if they would like to take action, as I like

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Speaker 1: to say, and refused to just be bystanders as Democrats

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Speaker 1: politicize the whole process. Well, Trey Galley's got some ideas.

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Speaker 1: He was talking to Brett Barro at Fox News about

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Speaker 1: maybe looking into this a bit more. Maybe there should

665
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Speaker 1: be something here. Maybe they should reopen the Hillary case,

666
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Speaker 1: for example, from grossly negligent to extremely careless? Is that

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Speaker 1: perhaps alone grounds to reopen that case. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they need any grounds to reopen it. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: FBI head was picked by Trump, the d o J

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Speaker 1: head was picked by Trump. Rob Rosenstein was picked by Trunk.

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Speaker 1: So all of the old actors are gone. Now. They

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Speaker 1: don't need a reason. There's no statue of limitations. They

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Speaker 1: don't need permission to reopen something. Mm hmmm, So what's

674
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Speaker 1: the problem there. Don't the American people have a right

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Speaker 1: to know if Hillary Clinton got a pass, which we

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Speaker 1: know she did, from the do o J, so that

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Speaker 1: the Democrats could have their presidential candidate turned into the

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Speaker 1: next president of United States? Isn't that if we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about the sanctity of our democracy and our hallowed

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Speaker 1: institutions and all that stuff. Democrats even occasionally make reference

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Speaker 1: to the Constitution. Now, they're like, I like the Constitution,

682
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Speaker 1: like you ever read it. There's some things that the

683
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Speaker 1: government can't too, can't do that. It's kind of explained

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Speaker 1: in there, like, oh well, now I don't like it,

685
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Speaker 1: but they may open this up. Another thing that I

686
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Speaker 1: think it's important that Goudy touches on here. It's just

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Speaker 1: you see the shifting target of all this collusion investigation stuff,

688
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Speaker 1: and that tells you a lot about what's really happening here,

689
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Speaker 1: only because of the collusion case hasn't been made. I mean,

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Speaker 1: keep in mind, so two of these folks that you

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Speaker 1: just showed, they were talking about collusion this time six

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Speaker 1: months ago, but there's no evidence of that. So now

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Speaker 1: they've pivodential obstruction of justice. It's an interesting legal argument.

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Speaker 1: So I have to say the the the charge, the

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Speaker 1: charge is changing every week. Um, the charge is logan Act,

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Speaker 1: is emoluments, is conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy violet

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Speaker 1: the Espionage Act. Collusion is not a crime, but they

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Speaker 1: act like it is, or at least not a crime

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Speaker 1: in the context that they're using it here. What you

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Speaker 1: had the old during the Stalin error, you had Barrier

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Speaker 1: who was running the the secret police in uh inside

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Speaker 1: of the Soviet Union, and Barrier who said, you show

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Speaker 1: me the man and I'll show you the crime, had

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Speaker 1: some insight with Trump. They know there's a crime. They're

705
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Speaker 1: just they're just gonna find it because they've been shown

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Speaker 1: the man. It doesn't matter what it is. They'll find something.

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Speaker 1: They've already got people on process crimes. There are manufacturing

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Speaker 1: crimes through the process of investigating crimes that they can't

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Speaker 1: even name. And here we are, whereas it's imposed simble

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Speaker 1: not to juxtapose this with what's going on with Hillary,

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00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: and you say to yourself, hold on, she definitely broke

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Speaker 1: the law. Clearly, she definitely was involved in reckless disregard

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Speaker 1: for classified information and a violation of federal statutes. And

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Speaker 1: they just said no, no crime. So how can any

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Speaker 1: American citizen who is paying attention to this not come

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Speaker 1: away from this and say that there is a two

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Speaker 1: tier justice system in this country, one for Democrats, one

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Speaker 1: for Republicans. I I think that's the conclusion you would

719
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Speaker 1: have to come to if you're being honest, And it's

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Speaker 1: something that we have to come to grips with as

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Speaker 1: a country because it's really troubling and the only way

722
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Speaker 1: to do anything about the only way to change this

723
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Speaker 1: reality would be to face it head on and say

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Speaker 1: enough is enough. I want to know what's really going

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Speaker 1: on here with this Mueller team. And yeah, I think,

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Speaker 1: I mean the political consequences might be rough in the

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Speaker 1: short termission. Just fire Muller, see what happens. Just force

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Speaker 1: their hand. What are they gonna do? I'm not gonna

729
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: Republicans are going to peach, They're not going to remove.

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Speaker 1: The media is going to freak out. The media is

731
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: already saying Trump as a trader. They're already saying that

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Speaker 1: Trump is gonna go to you heard it before, Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, the present, it's gonna go He's gonna be

734
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Speaker 1: in prison for like the rest of his life, Mega

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Speaker 1: Brazinski style. Uh, they're already saying that. So why not

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Speaker 1: just stop this thing? Because as I've been telling you,

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Speaker 1: there are people who are losing their livelihoods, perhaps even

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Speaker 1: losing their freedom as a result of the Democrats political

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00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: vendetta against Trump. And as I've also been saying through

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Speaker 1: the for the last year or so, if they had

741
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Speaker 1: collusion evidence, if they had a cohesive, coherent story worry

742
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Speaker 1: about what Trump did with Russia that finally brings it

743
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Speaker 1: all together, you would already it would have leaked. You'd

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00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: already know. Instead, they get everything wrong. That goes again,

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Speaker 1: you know, it only goes against Trump, never in favor

746
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Speaker 1: of Trump. That tells you something, doesn't it. ABC's Brian Ross.

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Speaker 1: You know he told Flynn to reach out to the

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Speaker 1: Russians before the election. Oh, I meant after the election.

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Speaker 1: That's a big difference. Right, That seems to that seems

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Speaker 1: to mean a whole lot. How could you get that wrong?

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Speaker 1: Why would you get that wrong? Well, only if it

752
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: was you're blinded by your hatred for this administration. But

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Speaker 1: you would know the information would have already leaked. We

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Speaker 1: would have been told what the smoking gun evidence of

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Speaker 1: this so called collusion was. And as I've also been

756
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: telling you all along, if I could even con if

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Speaker 1: I could even conjure in my mind what that would

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Speaker 1: be like, I would tell you I don't know that

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Speaker 1: Trump had people talking to the Russians about hacking into

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Speaker 1: Podestes email. And it's just it doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: You sound when you try to play out what the

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00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: left is claiming happened here, when you actually flesh out

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Speaker 1: the story in your head, you sound like a like

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Speaker 1: a blabbering fool. Right, Well, you know it's like this,

765
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Speaker 1: Uh so the Russians, you know, they're they really want

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Speaker 1: Trump to win because you know we say so. And

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Speaker 1: and there must have been somebody on Trump's team in

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Speaker 1: the midst of a very difficult, heated campaign who's like,

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Speaker 1: I know how we win. Let's talk to the Russians

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Speaker 1: and get them to hacking to Podestas email so that

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Speaker 1: we can put out a couple of embarrassing things about

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Speaker 1: Podesta that everybody knows anywhere, and hacking the DNC and

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Speaker 1: open ourselves up to the hatred of the American people

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Speaker 1: for all eternity. As really as the possibility of federal

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Speaker 1: criminal charges. Yeah, because it's a great plan. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden it turned into like Kermit the Frog.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying it's it's so dumb that you

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Speaker 1: can't even say it in a serious voice because it

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00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: makes no sense. It makes no sense. Think of the risk.

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Speaker 1: Who would take this risk? They're going to actively conspire.

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Speaker 1: That's the real term that should be used here, but

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Speaker 1: that's a term that has legal definition. They'd rather use collusion. Collusions. Oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, this guy knows a guy knows a guy

784
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Speaker 1: who knows a guy named Yuri who once said something

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Speaker 1: about a computer to somebody who knew Trump or something.

786
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just they want to keep it hazy

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Speaker 1: because it's about politics. They don't want this to be

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Speaker 1: precise legal terminology because then that can be disproven. But

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Speaker 1: the conspiracy makes no sense, and that's how I've known

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Speaker 1: there's no conspiracy along it's not even it wouldn't even

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Speaker 1: be a good conspiracy. Everybody, and now you know this,

792
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: but so many on the left, they just they are

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Speaker 1: clinging to this fiction. It's pretty it's just sad, it's

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00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: just said. But it also harms the whole country. And

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Speaker 1: we have to face this down eight four or four

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Speaker 1: eight to five. What do you think about all this

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00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: Russia collusion stuff. You've got CNN saying more charges coming

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Speaker 1: in the Russia probe. My guess is they're gonna get

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Speaker 1: somebody who's like, you know, tied to the Trump campaign.

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Speaker 1: A lot of unpaid parking tickets. They finally found the guy,

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00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, somebody was taking illegal deductions on their personal

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Speaker 1: income taxes. Mueller's on the case. You'll sleep better at night,

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Speaker 1: I know. Um. We also got Conyers. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk to you about this, the longest serving member of

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Speaker 1: the House of Representatives, Conyers. He's got an update for you,

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Speaker 1: and I'll have an update on his update after the break.

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Speaker 1: Stay with me, and I want everyone to know how

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Speaker 1: much I appreciate the incredible, undiminis support across the news

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00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: from my supporting not only in my history. But across

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Speaker 1: the country is Congressman Jean Conyers announced his retirement on

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Speaker 1: radio today. It just happened to coincide with another accuser

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Speaker 1: coming out to say that Congressman Conyers uh grabbed her

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Speaker 1: upper thigh during a church service. I believe was the yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting the nod from tying Amy. That's right, it was.

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Speaker 1: That was the allegation he was grabbing a lady in

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Speaker 1: a private area during the church service. What's front rowe

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Speaker 1: U Tyrone lets me know. Yes, Congressman Conyers he um,

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Speaker 1: he is gonna He's gonna just exit stage left. He's done.

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Speaker 1: But he doesn't want to face these allegations. He wants

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Speaker 1: you to know though they are, they are not true.

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Speaker 1: That's what he had to say today. Do you still

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Speaker 1: maintain that the allegations that have been leveled against you

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Speaker 1: are false? Whatever they are, and I can't explain frum. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's just saying none of the allegations, none of them are. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All these women that are coming out now are just

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Speaker 1: they must be lying, right. Congressman Knyor's He also endorsed

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Speaker 1: his son John Kanyer's, the third to take his congressional

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Speaker 1: seat as though this is like hereditary monarchy. Now up

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Speaker 1: in Detroit, I I bequeath my congressional seats to my son,

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Speaker 1: interesting John to Tyrone. What do we know about Kanyr's son?

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Speaker 1: By the way, do we know? I've no, no, all right,

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Speaker 1: we just we just know that he's a son and

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Speaker 1: he's supposed to take over. Now, all right, we'll look

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Speaker 1: into that a little bit. I I look at the

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Speaker 1: team here like I don't know. I don't know either.

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Speaker 1: I just know that he's like, yeah, my I'll take over.

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Speaker 1: So so there's that. All right. Um, let's see we

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Speaker 1: got here. Charlie in Maryland wants to talk about some stuff.

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Speaker 1: Hey Charlie, Hey Buck, Hey Charlie, what's going on? Hey,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to talk to you. I've listened to

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Speaker 1: a lot of talk radio. I'm an old retired guy.

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00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: I can do that anyway. I hear very little talk

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00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 1: about the taxes. In my opinion, when's the last time

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Speaker 1: we had a tax cut and Washington actually had less money? Um? Well,

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Speaker 1: I've been talking about the taxes. Hopefully listen to the show.

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Speaker 1: Even here we talk about it. I think it's good,

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Speaker 1: it could be better. I don't think it's as good

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Speaker 1: as people want to believe it is. But we want

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Speaker 1: some enthusiasm for the GOP Congress to do something well.

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Speaker 1: When they talk about texts neutral revenue, neutralia, yeah, it's

851
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Speaker 1: not neutral. They're just moving it from one area to another.

852
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: They're not dealing with less money. I worked around Washington

853
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: for forty years. I was a low level bricklayer, but

854
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: I built the homes that these clowns live in, which

855
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: I could never afford. They never do with less when's

856
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: the last time they dealt with less um? Yeah? No,

857
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean I think tax receipts are at an all

858
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Speaker 1: time high, or at least close to it, if not

859
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: all time high past year. Yeah, yeah, it's they dealt

860
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Speaker 1: to me at tax cut is okay, there's three trillion

861
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Speaker 1: dollars comes through Washington d C. Every year. Okay, to

862
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Speaker 1: me at tax cut is two point five trillion, two

863
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Speaker 1: point to trillion. That's a tax cut. That money goes

864
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Speaker 1: back to the people. But who's gonna fund Who's gonna

865
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: fund Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Defense Department, etcetera, etcetera. If

866
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of things that could do with left, Oh,

867
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Speaker 1: Charlie I agree, but you'll notice nobody's talking about that

868
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: right now. Not you don't even have really any Republicans

869
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: saying that. Everybody. So, oh, it's a big tax cut party,

870
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: but it's not a big spend cut party. And that's

871
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Speaker 1: gonna be a problem. And I know, and Charlie, I

872
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: appreciate you calling it and holding man shields high. I

873
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: would just note that if this were as straightforward, people

874
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: people get mad at me when I say, look, the

875
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Speaker 1: Taxicut may not be as great as people as it

876
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: is has been held up to be up to this

877
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: point by some republic by the Republican Party. And then

878
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: I always want to say, and they say, buck, tax

879
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: cuts results in growth and hiring, all these good things,

880
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: And I said, great, I'm with you, and I agree.

881
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 1: Why aren't individual rates the centerpiece of this bill? If

882
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: if tax cuts results in and they go, whoa buck,

883
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: Hold on a second, hold on a second. You know

884
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: we got there's some government rev knew that we've got

885
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: programs gotta pay for. And I always want to say, okay,

886
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: So we're conceding a point here, then, and that is

887
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: that corporations are ahead of the line of individual taxpayers

888
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: with regard to the prioritization of the GOP and the

889
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: tax cuts that they will enact. That's I think that's significant.

890
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: We should at least know that that is the case.

891
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: Individual taxes can't get cut all that much. Whoa, whoa,

892
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: whoa hold on you know, we that's gonna be that's

893
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: gonna add too much to the deficit. They say, okay,

894
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: so it's not just any number is okay, And we're

895
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: having to make some choices here. So they're making a choice,

896
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: and the choices to put corporations ahead of individuals when

897
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: it comes to reforming a tax code. This is just reality.

898
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: You know. We can we can call it something else,

899
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Speaker 1: you know, we can. Who's the fame? What's the really

900
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: cute famous hippopotamus that's getting all the you know, guys,

901
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying about you guys. What is going on? You're

902
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: younger and cooler than me, and you don't know what

903
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: the famous hippopotamus is. I don't. It's like really cute.

904
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: It's like a little hippo and they got like live

905
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: video of it. Amy els to do a little find

906
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: me the cute famous hip. It's like taking social media

907
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: by storm. I was gonna say we could call the

908
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: tax code the cute Hippopotamus, but it would still be

909
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: the tax code. Right, we should stay in the realm

910
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: of reality. You're finding it, right, it's cute. What do

911
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: you see? You'll know what I'm talking about. It's like, uh,

912
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: it's the superstar, superstar of the social media world when

913
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: it comes to cute animals these days. I personally I

914
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: follow a an account that is just on on social

915
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: media that's just all cute bulldog photos, like little puppy bulldogs.

916
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: I want like a hundred of them. But my understanding

917
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Speaker 1: is that that can get expensive, so I can't do

918
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Speaker 1: that just yet. All right, I got some more calls,

919
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: eight four, eight to five. I don't know. I might

920
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: trash Matt Lower a little bit. We come back, because

921
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Speaker 1: it'll just be kind of fun. I feel like it.

922
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Speaker 1: Next hour, we'll also talk about the return a massive

923
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Speaker 1: amount of Obama designated federal land to the States and

924
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Speaker 1: the religious freedom case the Supreme Court heard this morning,

925
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Speaker 1: So stay for that end much more. All right. See,

926
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Speaker 1: we've got a lot of calls. I want to get

927
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Speaker 1: to some of them in a moment here. But first

928
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Speaker 1: he had some breaking news. As I'm on the air

929
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Speaker 1: here and Islamic this from fox news dot com. Islamic

930
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: terror plot to assassinate British Prime Minister Theresa May has

931
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Speaker 1: been thwarted. Here is what we know so far. The

932
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: plan was quote in essence, an extreme Islamist suicide plot

933
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Speaker 1: against Downing Street by two men who have been arrested

934
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Speaker 1: Downing Streets, where the Prime Minister's office is located. British

935
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Speaker 1: authorities believed the plan was to launch some sort of

936
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Speaker 1: improvised explosive device at Downing Street and in the ensuing

937
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Speaker 1: chaos attack and kill Theresa May. Scotland Yard Military Intelligence

938
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Speaker 1: Security Service m I five and others have investigating the

939
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Speaker 1: plot for weeks. The two men arrested are Naimir Zakaria Rochman,

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Speaker 1: twenty years old of North London and Mohammed akib Imron

941
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Speaker 1: twenty one of Birmingham, according to uh Police in London.

942
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Speaker 1: It's all from fox news dot com, so m I five,

943
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Speaker 1: which is there very well, we don't have. It's interesting,

944
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Speaker 1: isn't it. And maybe this is a whole separate line

945
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: of discussion that we should get into at some point

946
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: line of inquiry, which is that we are really the

947
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: only major developed nation that does not have a domestic

948
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: intelligence service per se. We have Homeland Security, which is

949
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: really now an umbrella organization for a whole lot of

950
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: other federal agencies and also has its own mission. Said,

951
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: but we don't have the real equivalent of an m

952
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Speaker 1: I five. We have law enforcement agency, the FBI, and

953
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: we have different federal federal enforce and regulatory agencies, but

954
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Speaker 1: we don't have a body like the Germans, the Brits,

955
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: the French that is dedicated to collecting intelligence, so not

956
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: even necessarily for criminal prosecution or criminal prevention purposes, but

957
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,479
Speaker 1: they just get information to protect the homeland. A little

958
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: different Homeland security, yeah, kind of, but it's not it's

959
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: not quite the same. We really rely on the FBI

960
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: to do m I five job here, and what we

961
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Speaker 1: see with the counter intelligence probe of the Trump administration

962
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: is that once intelligence starts to bleed over into law enforcement,

963
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: you can run into some problems. Just as as an

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Speaker 1: aside there. But yeah, m I five, m I six

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Speaker 1: is their CIA equivalent, that's their foreign intelligence organization. In

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Speaker 1: the UK uh m I five is a domestic one.

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Speaker 1: They've prevented nine terror attacks in the u K just

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Speaker 1: over the past year. That's according to the Guardian, a

969
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: UK paper. So over the holidays, even greater elevated threat

970
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: of terrorism. Over the holidays you have major gee, hottest publications,

971
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Speaker 1: chat room forums, all that stuff saying that they really

972
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Speaker 1: want to hit the West, which they mean Europe or America.

973
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Speaker 1: They want to hit us over the holidays, a big

974
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Speaker 1: push for that, and vehicle attacks the most likely way

975
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Speaker 1: that it would happen. I would note here that this

976
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Speaker 1: thwarted plot in the UK had to do with explosives

977
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Speaker 1: and I E. D. And it was disrupted. Counter terrorism

978
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: you always want to disrupt. You do not want to

979
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Speaker 1: be in the reactive phase. You do not want to

980
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: hope that your defensive perimeter or your security measures wants

981
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: the terrorist or the cell has gone operational. You don't

982
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: want to rely on that to stop it, because then

983
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: you're in most situations it's gonna be limiting. Instead stopping casualties,

984
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: you want to stop them all together. We'll keep an

985
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: eye on this. Should note that the French a couple

986
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, oh, I'm sorry, the Germans a couple

987
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, uh, they had a a situation where

988
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: they had multiple raids on different German cities involving hundreds

989
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: of officers, and then they let the guys. They let

990
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Speaker 1: the guys they arrested go. They thought it was a

991
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: jee hottest plot on a Christmas market, and they said, oh,

992
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: we don't we don't have enough on them. So there

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01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: you have it, all right, eight four four, nine to

994
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: eight to five, eight four four, Buck, We're gonna go

995
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Speaker 1: to phone lines here for a few Let's talk to

996
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: Chuck in Michigan. What's going on. Chuck's gone. I'm good man,

997
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: thanks for calling in. Hey, you're welcome, say Buck, I'd

998
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: like to get your opinion. If you need to think

999
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: about this, I'm good with that. But I'd really like

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Speaker 1: you to rate the g R you, the KBG, the Stasi,

1001
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: the Gestapo, and the FBI in order of what you

1002
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: think are right now the most effective political police. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean the whole whole lot of second, Chuck, I

1004
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: mean the FBI should not be in same spoken of,

1005
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: in the same paragraph, or in any way categorized along

1006
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: the lines of those other organizations that you just lined

1007
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: up there. I mean, I know you mentioned what the FSB,

1008
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: the KGB, the the Stasi, East German Secret Police, the

1009
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: what the Gestapo. Uh, you could also put the s

1010
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: S in there, the shoots stuffle of a military wing.

1011
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: They were really military, but they did they did regime protection, right.

1012
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: But I mean these are all the I'm just saying

1013
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: that the most evil, the most evil secret police organizations

1014
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: that one could of the check A you have that

1015
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: in check that was followed the that's right, Soviet you

1016
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Speaker 1: andy up and the and the check is the police

1017
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: were to suppress political opposition. And right now it's not

1018
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: looking so good for the FBI. See. I think this

1019
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: is important, Chuck, and that the history component of those

1020
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: other organizations I find to be an interesting, interesting topic

1021
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: of discussion. But I would say I would say this,

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Speaker 1: the notion that the FBI is in some way, you know,

1023
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: top down, completely polluted and infiltrated with progressives or left

1024
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: is is not That's not fair. That's not true because

1025
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: I think that there are some and if we're gonna

1026
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: talk about what is deep state within the FBI or

1027
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: where those elements are, you're generally gonna find it at

1028
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: senior levels. And that's also where it's the has the

1029
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: most impact, right on FBI field agent operating out of

1030
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, an office in you know, Nebraska, West Virginia, wherever.

1031
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: You know, he's not trying to topple the Trump administration.

1032
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: He's trying to prevent kidnappers, you know, uh, child sex traffickers,

1033
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: and you know, terrorists. I mean, whatever caseload he's got

1034
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: in a white collar crime, whatever's out there, trying to

1035
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: prevent them from doing what they who are finding and

1036
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: punishing those who have engaged in those activities. He's not

1037
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: a highly political individual, right, male or female. I'm just

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01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, which whoever the officer. Maybe when you're talking

1039
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Speaker 1: about the big guys in FBI, HQ in New York

1040
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: and d C. Okay, well, now you've got people that

1041
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: have real political uh influence and perhaps even real political aspirations.

1042
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: And when you have a core group of them who

1043
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: are partisan and who are partisan actors, they can have

1044
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: a tremendous influence. I've been saying this all along, like

1045
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: with the leaks for the intelligence community about Trump administration officials.

1046
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Speaker 1: It's not it's not the entire I see that's doing.

1047
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Speaker 1: It's a vast majority of people, whether it's FBI, c

1048
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Speaker 1: I A, you know, go down the whole list of

1049
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: all the different agencies. They're just showing up to do

1050
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: their jobs every day, and they've got a very specific

1051
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: mission that they're handling. And you know, the last thing

1052
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: on earth they're thinking about is let me spill information

1053
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: to like the Washington Post, the New York Times to

1054
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: get even with Trump people at the executive level, at

1055
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Speaker 1: the very top of either those agencies, FBI or wherever,

1056
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Speaker 1: especially if their Obama holdovers or leave behind the Obama

1057
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Speaker 1: in aistration, they may play that game. And I think

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Speaker 1: they have been playing and that's what we're seeing happening.

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Speaker 1: So do you see what I mean about the distinction though,

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Speaker 1: because when you're talking about the Stazi, the whole thing

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Speaker 1: is when you're talking about Stazi, the whole thing is rotten.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to the FBI, and there might be a

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Speaker 1: few rotten actors, but it's not a rotten agent, it's

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Speaker 1: not a rotten organization. Well, the average STAZI agent, let's

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Speaker 1: just pick on them because they were so effective. The

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Speaker 1: average stat the agent was just doing his job. He

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Speaker 1: wasn't particularly political. His job was to see to it

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Speaker 1: that the state was protected, which basically, in average I

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Speaker 1: would I would encourage I would encourage you to watch

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Speaker 1: uh dus Leban they're under in the lives of others,

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Speaker 1: and then and then to come back and tell me

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Speaker 1: that you think they were just doing their jobs. Germany,

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Speaker 1: for all of its flaws, was has has been a

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Speaker 1: very educated at advanced technologically and otherwise society for a

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Speaker 1: long time. Those guys were aware that what they were

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Speaker 1: doing was the absolute suppression and freedom. They had a

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Speaker 1: justification in their minds for why they were doing it,

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Speaker 1: but they were. They were making up everybody and anybody.

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Speaker 1: They were using neighbors to inform, not just neighbors, using

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Speaker 1: family members to inform on other family members. Absolutely, I

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Speaker 1: mean it was. But I'll say what you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you go right back to Watergate. Where was the problem

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Speaker 1: in Watergate? UH deep trope. We know is UH an

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Speaker 1: agent that was peeled because he didn't get to be director.

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Speaker 1: We know there were two other agents who were feeding

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Speaker 1: raw UH interview data to the guys over at the post,

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Speaker 1: which is why there were so many errors in reporting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is getting We're getting a lot,

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Speaker 1: We're covering a lot of ground new chocolate. I think

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Speaker 1: you might be losing the plot a little bit. I

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01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: think it's and I thank you for calling in. And

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Speaker 1: I would just say that there is a a very

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Speaker 1: important difference between some bad senior officials or just some

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Speaker 1: bad officials at an organization and an organization that has

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Speaker 1: gone rogue and is bad. And the FBI does not

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Speaker 1: fall into that category from what I've seen yet. Okay,

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Speaker 1: And for those of you who are like, no, buck,

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Speaker 1: you're going easy on them, how do you I'm sure

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Speaker 1: some of you listening have some of you listening probably

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Speaker 1: are FBI agents based on the general demo of who

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Speaker 1: who enjoys this show. I mean, I've got a I

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Speaker 1: got a ton of former military and current military listening

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Speaker 1: to the show. I'm assuming we've got a lot of

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Speaker 1: FBI agents too, So I'm waiting for the Facebook messages

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Speaker 1: to come in. Like I mean, this is off the

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Speaker 1: record book, but I'm at the FBI. And thanks for

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Speaker 1: not saying we're all a bunch of you know, Nancy

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Speaker 1: Pelosi loving left wing comedies. Because I've I've worked with

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Speaker 1: FBI guys. I know a whole bunch of new a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of FBI guys personally. First of all, a

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Speaker 1: lot of them are former military themselves. There's a good

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Speaker 1: contingent on them that are. And also, uh, there are

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Speaker 1: a very patriotic bunch, and they actually of the federal

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01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: agencies skew center right, unlike the State Department, where you

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01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: might as well be walking around taking a straw pole

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01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: of the Smith College faculty lounge. Oh yeah, that's right,

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Speaker 1: I said it. Uh, At the FBI, you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: a lot of people that are actually much more in

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Speaker 1: line with what a lot of you listening to this

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Speaker 1: show think about America and the world around you. Uh

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Speaker 1: than you know, a lot of it's gonna line up

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Speaker 1: with what you think. That's all. That's That's all I

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Speaker 1: can say about that. I'm speaking in very broad general

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Speaker 1: terms here, but uh, f FBI tend law enforcement in general,

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Speaker 1: try it tends to draw a center right perspective. Now,

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Speaker 1: a center right perspective on law enforcement also should be

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Speaker 1: without partisan bias, whereas I think on the left they

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Speaker 1: embraced that law enforcement is a tool of the state.

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01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: The state is a tool of solving all problems. And

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Speaker 1: if you gotta make an omelet, you gotta break a

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01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: few eggs, You gotta bend some rules to do what

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Speaker 1: the state is wanting to do. They'll do it. But

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Speaker 1: that's a I'm I'm covering a lot of ground here, man.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna make fun of Matt lower for

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01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: a little while and how he was apparently a paranoid

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01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: maniac and didn't want anybody around who could even conceivably

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Speaker 1: take over his job. And now NBC doesn't have anybody.

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Speaker 1: Think about that, a massive, massive media entity like NBC

1139
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: News has nobody that's really ready to take over the

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01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: job that was. They were overpaying that guy twenty five

1141
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: billion a year to do because they allowed him to

1142
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: squash all the competition. It's one of the grossest things

1143
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: that actually ends up happening in media is some of

1144
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: the incumbents, the old rich, jaded, established players, just want

1145
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: to go around and they're not They don't want to

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01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: just swim their own race. They want to drown everybody

1147
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: else around them first, make sure that nobody else can

1148
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: even try to compete. True on radio, I can tell you, uh,

1149
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: and it is true and on the TV side, and

1150
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: it is definitely true over at NBC News. So you know,

1151
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: keep that in mind when NBC is like, oh, we

1152
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: have no one to replace Matt Loward's because they let

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01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: lour have his say over there. I know a lot

1154
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: of your like Buckey cares about Loar. I just find

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01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: the guy so odious and always have and that all

1156
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: of his disgusting conduct everything else about him, it's not

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01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: surprising to me. And that NBC News like, oh, we

1158
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: didn't know that a bunch of just so many liars

1159
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: over there, just so many liars. Ohole. I hold this

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Speaker 1: whole thing that the whole Today Show team of like, oh,

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01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: we're also likable and great and just like us, and

1162
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 1: we'll tell you news and also how to do like

1163
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: the greatest you know, greatest cheenwa salad. No, this this

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01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: should be something. Tell me about keeenwas salads or tell

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01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: me about what's going on with the investigation the president.

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Speaker 1: Don't pretend that you're doing both. So you know, that's

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Speaker 1: that's how I feel about it. But I digress. Uh,

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Speaker 1: let's again into a quick break here. We'll come back

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Speaker 1: finish up this hour next hour talking about the uh

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Speaker 1: big First Amendment case, religious freedom case. It's out there

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Speaker 1: right now, and we will also that was arguing for

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court this morning. We get u some team

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Speaker 1: Bucks speaks Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. What does

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01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: that mean the significance of it and the impact on

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01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: US policy that Trump administration may change things up. So

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Speaker 1: we got a lot left. We'll be right back. I

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Speaker 1: meant to mention this before Buck Sex in here with you. Um.

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Speaker 1: There were reports that there were reports this morning that

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Speaker 1: Deutsche Bank Gooden talk toutche Bank, very large bankings a

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01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: German Hotland. Yeah, Deutsche Bank was off deutsch Land or

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01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: I'll stop that. They were giving a bunch of information

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01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: on like Trump accounts or affiliated they're pull they pulled

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01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: Deutsche records, han't do with Trump bank records. That was

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01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: this morning and then as of me going on air,

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01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: they're like, actually no, the White House says that's not happening.

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01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: You know, which is it? Yet again they get something wrong.

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01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: Looks bad for Trump. They get it wrong. Never looks

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01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: good for Trump, and they get it wrong. Come to

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Speaker 1: your conclusions about that and another thing that I skipped over.

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Speaker 1: Pardon me for that, Jeff Flake? Yeah, I know, hey,

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01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: Jeff Flake, what would you say you do here? Jeff

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01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: Lake is going full on not just never Trumper, but

1193
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: hashtag resistance by tweeting out his donation to Doug Jones

1194
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: in the U. S. Senate race in Alabama, Jeff Flake

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Speaker 1: run him a check for a hundred dollars. Now out

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Speaker 1: a couple of things. At first of all, Jeff Flake,

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Speaker 1: I feel like guys got some cash, right, Really, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna virtue signal with a hundred dollars, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, Jeff. Second of all, it's one

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Speaker 1: thing to say that you don't want to support Roy

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01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: More as a Republican. You know, you are allowed to

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01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: whether you know, whether you're an elected official or you're

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01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: just an everyday American. You're allowed to say, look, I

1204
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: believe or don't believe the accusations. You're also allowed to

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01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: say that you are making your own decision about what's

1206
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: more important to you the Republican agenda or the specifics

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Speaker 1: of the UH. Roy More. I can't even say investigation

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01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: allegations that are out there, right, You're you're allowed to

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Speaker 1: make those distinctions. But to go that extra step and

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Speaker 1: to say, not only as a so called Republican, UH

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Speaker 1: will I, in the case of Jeff Flake, not support

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Speaker 1: or support Roy Moore, I will actively help and write

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01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: a check to his opponent who believes in abortion for

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01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: all nine months of a pregnancy up to and including

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Speaker 1: the moment of birth. That's right. That's when I think

1216
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: the anti Trump derangement has gone way too far. Or

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01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: in this case, well, I think that's really what this

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01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 1: is about. I think Jeff Flake hates Trump and the

1219
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: more issue is just an extension of that. It really

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Speaker 1: doesn't have all that much to do with more. Um

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Speaker 1: Lonnie West Virginia to get you in real quick here,

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Speaker 1: what's up, Lonnie? Uh? First time? Watch out for them

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Speaker 1: bull dog. I bought my wife a French bull dog

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Speaker 1: two hundred dollars, so they're right, they're very expected price. Yes,

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Speaker 1: But anyhow, the first Amendment, the baker uh, the old adage,

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Speaker 1: don't make the people mad, that makes your food? Why

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Speaker 1: why would you want anybody that didn't want to make

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01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: your take? Why would you want or to force them

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Speaker 1: to make it? I mean, well, you know, Annie, I

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Speaker 1: can tell you this, my friend. We're gonna get into

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Speaker 1: the specifics of this case of religious freedom and making

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01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: a cake maker make a cake for a gay wedding

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Speaker 1: for the Supreme Court. We'll talk about it and more

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Speaker 1: coming up in the next hour. Quick break here and

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Speaker 1: we'll be right back will the Trump administration decide to

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Speaker 1: recognize formally that Jerusalem is Israel's capital and move the

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Speaker 1: United States embassy from the city of Tel Aviv to

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Speaker 1: inside of Jerusalem. We have David if Food now joining us.

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Speaker 1: He's the editor in chief of the Alga Miner, to

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Speaker 1: talk about this issue. David. Great to have you back.

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Speaker 1: Oh so, David, before we get into the much of

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Speaker 1: the news of the day here, which is just the debate,

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01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 1: discussion and the latest updates on whether the Trump administration

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01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: will finally make this move, can you just tell everybody

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01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: listening what is that issue here? Why is this contentious?

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Speaker 1: How do you have all these different parties. I mean,

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01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:07,440
Speaker 1: you've got Ariahwan of Turkey calling us a quote redline today.

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01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: Why has this been an issue up to this point?

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01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: I know you could that could be a three hour lecture,

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01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 1: but give me the two minute version if you could. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Jerusalem is probably the most contentious piece of

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Speaker 1: real estate on the planet for a number of different reasons,

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Speaker 1: but mostly for religious reasons. It's important to different religions

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Speaker 1: and uh to to all of the three major religions actually,

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Speaker 1: and throughout different periods in history, a lot of blood

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Speaker 1: has been shed over the control of Jerusalem. I think

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Speaker 1: it really highlights actually the religious aspect of the conflict.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we know that's certainly the Islamistic elements, including

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Speaker 1: those like Air the One, are very uncompromising when it

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Speaker 1: comes to religious components and the discussion of Jerusalem. The

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Speaker 1: conflict of Jerusalem ignites the Islamis Arabs three like absolutely

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Speaker 1: nothing else. And that's that's the threat that the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration and the Israelians are being faced with over the

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Speaker 1: possibility of recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, which

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Speaker 1: is something of course that not only has Israel maintained

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Speaker 1: since its founding, for which the Jewish has been a

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Speaker 1: central part of the Jewish prayer and messagy for thousands

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Speaker 1: of years. So for Israelis this issue is already the

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Speaker 1: claimed to the city. Just so for Israeli, this issue

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Speaker 1: is long since settled. It's not as though Jerusalem is

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Speaker 1: is not the capital of Israel for Israeli purposes. Right,

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Speaker 1: this is about where the you what the US will recognize. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's correct. It's about what the US would recognize,

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Speaker 1: and it's about you know, what what might follow in

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Speaker 1: the international community. Obviously, the US leads the way to

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Speaker 1: a large degree. To a large extent, that was the

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Speaker 1: case I think when Israel was found in the US,

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Speaker 1: was for US to put a snick out there and

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Speaker 1: say we're going to recognize this country. Anothers follows. So

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Speaker 1: there's a hope, I would say, certainly in Israel, that

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Speaker 1: that the US recognition is just the first step. What

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Speaker 1: is the downside from the Trump administration's perspective of finally

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Speaker 1: going ahead and doing this. I mean, clearly there's some trepidation,

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Speaker 1: there are concerns. Last reporting I saw today is that

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Speaker 1: they will still push the issue down the road, maybe

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Speaker 1: another six months, but they may be willing to come

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Speaker 1: out and state that it is just a matter of

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Speaker 1: when they make the switch, not if they will make

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Speaker 1: the switch to recognition of Jerusalem as the capital for

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Speaker 1: U S diplomatic purposes. But are they really concerned that

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Speaker 1: what this is going to stall and already stalled peace process?

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Speaker 1: And I'm seeing Mahmuda, boss of the Palestinian Authority, is

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Speaker 1: acting like he's got a lot of weight to throw

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Speaker 1: around when it comes to this issue. Yeah. Well, there

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Speaker 1: there were two effectively two arguments against it. The first,

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Speaker 1: which I think is entirely unjustified. Is really the threat

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Speaker 1: of of of outrage and violence which has been the

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Speaker 1: knots of subtle subtext of the response in the entire

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Speaker 1: Arab world from the past in authority, from of course

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Speaker 1: Era do One and from other leaders in the region,

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01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: from Jordan's that this is going to ignite a firestorm.

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Speaker 1: The question, of course that needs to be asked, this

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01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: is a matter of US policy, US nor what's morally right?

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01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: Should the Arab blackmail really be a factor here? When? When? When?

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01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: When the US law is at stake. The second argument

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01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: that that's that's being put forth, even by those who

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Speaker 1: typically would be in favor of such a move, is

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Speaker 1: that the timing is bad because the White House apparently

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01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: is set to reveal some sort of new peace initiative

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Speaker 1: and and and effectively by by recognizing Druson as the

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Speaker 1: Capitalisa right now, that the whitness is going to undercut itself.

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Speaker 1: It's my personal view, and I'm actually soon to publish

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Speaker 1: something on the subject that now it would be a

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Speaker 1: very good time to recognize Jewison the capital of Israel

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Speaker 1: on both fronts, and I think it would be helpful

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Speaker 1: to the peace efforts atually. We're speaking to David if Fune.

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Speaker 1: He just said he's gonna be publishing and will be

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Speaker 1: on his side. He's the editor in chief of the

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Speaker 1: Alga Minor, which is David telephone. The Alga Minor is

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Speaker 1: the fastest growing publication focused on the Mid East. Correct

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Speaker 1: the Jewish, Yes, Jewish and the Mid East related affairs. Absolutely, Uh.

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Speaker 1: And you have in this country some politicians clearly very

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Speaker 1: opposed to moving the capital to Jerusalem. Interesting because usually

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Speaker 1: David Uh, Israeli US questions are somewhat bipartisan. I know,

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01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 1: the the left can want to sometimes come after Israel

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Speaker 1: on a whole bunch of different issues in different ways,

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Speaker 1: but there's usually some bipartisanship. But you even see some

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Speaker 1: members of Congress, like Keith Allison, you say stuff like

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Speaker 1: the following, it'll make it much more difficult to obtain

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Speaker 1: peace in the Middle East. It's just Trump, Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: stomping all over what we've been trying to do as

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Speaker 1: a as a nation to foster uh a negotiated to

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Speaker 1: state solution for many, many years. So it's really a

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Speaker 1: horrible tragedy. It's been a been a lot of attempts

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Speaker 1: from the Israeli side to try and get this two

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Speaker 1: state solution, to try to get a deal with the

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Speaker 1: Palestinians for peace. At this point, I had to ask,

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Speaker 1: how long do you think, uh, Dovid, it's gonna take

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01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: before some members of the Democrat Party decide that they're

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Speaker 1: not gonna hold the status of Jerusalem hostage to the

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Speaker 1: whims of peace partners across the table from the Israelis. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, Keith Ellison is probably not the

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Speaker 1: best example because he's kind of right in the left

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01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: fringe of the Democratic Party. But you know, there is

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01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: there is some five partesan consensus over this. I mean,

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01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: Chuch Schumer was actually criticizing the President a couple of

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Speaker 1: months ago for not having moved the embassy yet. So

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Speaker 1: there certainly is a decent amount of agreement on this.

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Speaker 1: But I think, but why hasn't it happened yet? That

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a fair question, isn't why

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Speaker 1: has it yet to happen? Well? I think I think

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01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: the main reason why it has yet to happen is

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01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 1: because there's there's a fear. Uh you know, there's there's

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Speaker 1: this kind of instinct or or or tradition to handle

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Speaker 1: the Palestine authority with kid gloves. You know, wherever there's

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01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 1: a breakdown in talks, the fingers are always pointed at Israel,

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Speaker 1: and this Palestinian obstructionism is overlooked as the as the

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Speaker 1: weaker party, as as the grieved party, which is how

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Speaker 1: they've painted themselves. But the truth is, the fear that

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Speaker 1: the Israelis have is that the Palestinians has never taken

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Speaker 1: peace talk seriously. This has ever been a serious issue

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Speaker 1: for that they've engaged in peace talks, and they said

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01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 1: that so much quite openly. They've engaged in pieces as

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Speaker 1: an effort to see territory that can then be used

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01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: as a launch pad to to to attack Israel further

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Speaker 1: and to force even more territorial concessions for it. And

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that the President now

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Speaker 1: has been willing to do, and consider that others before

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Speaker 1: him have not been willing to do, is to try

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Speaker 1: and call the Palestinians bluff and to say to them, listen,

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Speaker 1: show that you're serious. And the way that he's doing

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Speaker 1: that is by lining up a number of repercussions, as

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Speaker 1: it were, for Palestinian rejectionisms. You know, here's what's likely

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01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 1: to happen if you guys don't play for and recognizing

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01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: Trusian with the capital of Israel is the first step

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01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: of many others that he has lined up, and it

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Speaker 1: shows that he's serious. This is the first raise in

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Speaker 1: the game of Middle East Poker from the United States. Dovid.

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Speaker 1: If fun is editor in chief of the Alga Minor,

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Speaker 1: you shall check it out. Go to the Alga Minor

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Speaker 1: dot com. Dovid. Always a pleasure, sir, Great to have

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Speaker 1: you on pleasure his mind. Buck, All right, do you

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01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: take care team? We are going to roll into a

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01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: quick break here eight four four nine, eight to five

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01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: eight four Buck, I'll be right back. Stay with me.

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01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 1: I might have to get a new fleece, everybody. I've

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Speaker 1: got it right here with me in the studio Patagonia.

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01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 1: Patagonia makes pretty good fleeces. Probably can get some better

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Speaker 1: ones elsewhere. I'm sure many of you have ideas for

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01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 1: where that would be. But Patagonia has weighed into the

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01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 1: whole Bare Ears National Monument and Grand Staircase Monument situation

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01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: by running an ad or running uh, I don't know

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01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: what you'd call it. Yeah, it was an ad that

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01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: says that Trump has quote stolen the president stole your land,

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01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 1: and Patagonia says that it is illegal. Now. I understand

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01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 1: that there are left wing activist companies out there, and

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01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:09,560
Speaker 1: they're entitled to their free speech, but to borrow from

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Speaker 1: the late great Daniel Patrick moynihan, yeh, You're entitled to

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Speaker 1: your own opinion, not your own facts. And to say

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01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:22,679
Speaker 1: that the federal government reversing a decision made by President

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01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: Obama at the very end of his presidency to just

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01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 1: declare huge areas of Utah to be federally protected and

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01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: federally owned land. I love how Now that's like this,

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01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: that's the new status quo, and then anything that deviates

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01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: from that is inherently very very It's terrible, right, it's problematic.

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01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 1: Obama waited. I mean, let's all be very clear about this.

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01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: Obama waited until the end of his presidency to do this.

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01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 1: And now President Trump is the commander in chief, he's

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01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 1: the number one executive in the U. S. Government, and

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01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: he disagrees with the Obama decism. He wants the states

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01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: to have a greater saying this, he wants the state

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01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 1: of Utah specifically to have more of a say in

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01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: development and use of this land and when you go

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01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 1: out west, and this is a problem that has come

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01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: up a lot in recent years. There have been the

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01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 1: standoffs that have occurred with the federal government and the

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01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 1: Bundy Ranch, for example, and there have been others as well,

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01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:30,799
Speaker 1: the Mallard Wildlife Refuge and all that stuff. The federal

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01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 1: government controls enormous amounts of land in especially when you

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01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 1: get out to western states. Like when you see a

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01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: map of some of these states, are like, oh, so,

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01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 1: apparently the federal government has all the land in this state,

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Speaker 1: or whatever use and purpose it decides. And there is

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01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: a state's rights issue that comes up here. But let

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01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 1: let me give you a little more of the background

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Speaker 1: before I can return to the whole Patagonia. I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna burn my Patagonia fleece. It was a little pricey

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01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: and it's a little boogie. I'm not gonna lie. It's

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01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: kind of a fruit roof lease and I kind of

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01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,600
Speaker 1: like it. But it makes me sad that there are

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Speaker 1: a bunch of left wing activists no surprise. But here's

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01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 1: here's some backstory on what happened. I meant to talk

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01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 1: about it yesterday, but I was I was in New

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01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 1: Orleans and I had gumbo and jambalaya, and I'd like

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01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: to say Poe Boys on the mind, but I can't

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01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 1: eat po Boys because of all the bread. But the

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Speaker 1: other stuff I can. And I didn't get to this.

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01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 1: But let me return to what did Trump do? What

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01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 1: has changed? Here? This courtesy of the New York Times.

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01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 1: So you're getting the left wing version of events. But

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01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: I'll just put the basic facts out there. Here's what

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01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: he says. Well. President Trump sharply reduced the size of

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01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: two National Monuments monuments in Utah on Monday by some

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01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 1: two million acres, the largest rollback of federal land protection

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01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 1: in the in the nation's history. The administration shrank bear

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01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 1: Ears National Monument, a sprawling region of red Rock canyons,

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01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: by eighty five five percent, and cut another monument, Grand

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01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 1: Staircase Escalante, to about half its current size. The move,

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01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 1: a reversal of protections put in place by Democratic predecessors,

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01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 1: comes as the administration pushes for fewer restrictions and more

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01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: development on public lands. The decision to reduce barriers is

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01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: expected to set off a legal battle that could alter

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01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 1: the course of American land conservation, putting dozens of other

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01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: monuments at risk and possibly opening millions of preserved public

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01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:36,679
Speaker 1: acres to oil and gas extraction, mining, logging, and other

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01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 1: commercial activities and quote. So this is classic left wing

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01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 1: New York Times sky is falling propaganda. As I was saying,

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Speaker 1: President Obama designated bar Ears in two sixteen. Now Clinton

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01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: classified Grand Staircase Escalante. So that's older. But they used

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Speaker 1: a century old. All that's called the Antiquities Act. That

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Speaker 1: let's the that gives the president the authority to set

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Speaker 1: aside landmarks and quote, other objects of historic or scientific interest. Well,

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01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: guess what they're talking about? So much land that to

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01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 1: say that this is because of archaeological sites, or this

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01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: is they're they're tying in Native American Native American sites,

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01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: Inative American barol grounds, all this stuff. I believe the

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Speaker 1: Navajo Nation has already suit is already suing the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration over there. But sorry, millions of acres. That that's

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Speaker 1: a lot of land for Oh, it's for the archaeologists,

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Speaker 1: it's not. It's it seems a little excessive. It seems

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Speaker 1: a bit sweeping, doesn't it. It certainly does to me. Um.

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Speaker 1: But this is an issue of federal overreach, and it

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Speaker 1: should be treated as a very as a very clear case,

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Speaker 1: I think of the federal government just by FIAT overriding

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01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:04,639
Speaker 1: a state's interest in order to satisfy the left wing

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01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: environmental concerns and social justice warriors who aren't even going

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01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: to visit these places. I mean, you're talking about vast

1478
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: tracts of of desert basically. Uh. And this could be

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01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: useful for mineral extraction, yes, it could also be useful.

1480
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: People might want to to build out there, they might

1481
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 1: want to live out there. You know, the land of

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01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 1: this country should belong to the American people, right, I mean,

1483
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 1: I know we have private property ownership, but I mean,

1484
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 1: in a general sense, the land should be for public use.

1485
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 1: You shouldn't just have land. The federal government draws a

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01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 1: huge circle round and says, oh, you can't you can't

1487
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: touch this. You can't touch this because because hammertime. No,

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01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't touch this because we say so. Uh.

1489
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 1: And I think that the outrage machinery kicking in the

1490
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: gear here right away and saying, oh, it's gonna be

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01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 1: there's gonna be oil. Derek's all over of this area

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01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 1: in Utah. And it's also terrible It's like this is

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01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: a vast, a vast area of of Utah, and it

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01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 1: also stretches into some other some some other surrounding states

1495
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: from what I understand. Um, but Mr Trump is not

1496
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 1: the first guy to do this. Woodrow Wilson here on

1497
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:27,480
Speaker 1: the left, he reduced Mount Olympus by half. Franklin Roosevelt,

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01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 1: that's right, f Dr himself, he cut down the Grand

1499
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: Canyon Monument or or shrank down thing. He didn't cut

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01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 1: it down, shrank down the Grand Canyon Monument because ranchers

1501
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 1: wanted more area to graze there the graze their cattle.

1502
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 1: So you know, the courts haven't had to deal with

1503
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: this in the past yet, this issue, but they're now

1504
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 1: going to force this into the courts, which is the

1505
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 1: left go to response whenever they feel like they can't

1506
01:30:56,640 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 1: get something through the legislative process, they wanted through judicial fiat.

1507
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: And we will see what ends up happening here. Um.

1508
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 1: I think that this will it will stand for Trump, um.

1509
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 1: And there'll be some review here to be sure. But

1510
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 1: it's just not as catastrophic a decision. I mean, they

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01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: make it sound like this is some area of paradise

1512
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 1: that will now be polluted and destroyed because Trump is

1513
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 1: some vile McDonald's eating vulture capitalist who could care less

1514
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 1: about what happens in the kind I meanwhile, you have

1515
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 1: somebody like Secretary Zinky by the way, former seal, really

1516
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 1: stand up guy, and he's out there saying, look like

1517
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 1: we're trying to do the right thing by the state

1518
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 1: of Utah. Here. We want this to open up possible

1519
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 1: usage for this land. It's a lot of land to

1520
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 1: just carve out on a map and say sorry, you

1521
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 1: really can't do anything here because maybe there's some Native

1522
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 1: American artifacts buried somewhere on it. It's one thing if

1523
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,719
Speaker 1: you got a site, okay, draw a circle around the site,

1524
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 1: do your archaeological stuff, and but you're just gonna take

1525
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 1: millions of acres instead of aside. But this is this

1526
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 1: goes to the environmental left, and Patagonia is clearly a

1527
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 1: part of this. And I don't know what I'm gonna

1528
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 1: do now with my with with what I thought was

1529
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:25,560
Speaker 1: my very hip fleece. I got it when I was

1530
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:28,640
Speaker 1: out in Silicon Valley surrounded by all these progressives. I

1531
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 1: wanted to fit in, So I figure, what's the uniform

1532
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 1: and Silicon Valley, Patagonia fleece. Bam, I put one on.

1533
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: You know, I don't shave for a few days. You know,

1534
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 1: maybe I throw a little a little uh. I'm with

1535
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 1: her T shirt on, and like all of a sudden,

1536
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 1: it's like I've lived there my whole life. I'm just

1537
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm yet another left coast liberal hanging out in Palo Alto. Right,

1538
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 1: so I get my potagony fleece. They're now saying that

1539
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 1: this is theft of land. It's giving it back to

1540
01:32:56,320 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 1: the state. But it's theft. Hey, this is a crazy

1541
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 1: inception of what ownership is from the left. It's not

1542
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: just bad. There's a lot of people now, a lot

1543
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 1: of leftists are are up in arms about this. But

1544
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, this was I think

1545
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 1: the right move and Trump should be applauded for it.

1546
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 1: And Secretary Zink he knows what he's doing. All right.

1547
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 1: When we come back the religious freedom fight that you

1548
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 1: need to hear about, stay with me, all right, everybody.

1549
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 1: The First Amendment is a battle ground in many ways

1550
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: right now in this country. Free speech on campus clearly

1551
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 1: under assault. What does freedom of the press actually mean

1552
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 1: in an era of rampant propaganda. Well, there's also the

1553
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 1: religious freedom issue and the freedom of speech issues that

1554
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 1: tie into that, and a major test is now in

1555
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 1: the hands of the Supreme Court when it comes to

1556
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:53,719
Speaker 1: religious freedom. You have a case Masterpiece Cake Shop versus

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01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: Colorado Civil Rights Commission. It was just argued earlier this

1558
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 1: morning at the Supreme Court. Of an expert on now

1559
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 1: to walk us through what this case is about, what's

1560
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 1: at stake, and what may happen, We've got Steven Smith

1561
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 1: was with us. Was a distinguished professor of law at

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01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 1: the University of San Diego. Professor Smith, great to have you, sir,

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01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 1: nice to be here. All right, First, tell me master

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01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 1: Piece Cake Shop, what happened here? Give me just for

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01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 1: for those listening, give me some review of what the

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01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:26,800
Speaker 1: case is all about. Sure so, um Jack Phillips is

1567
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 1: a baker or a cake artist, as he uh calls himself,

1568
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 1: and that's not really a self serving exaggeration. He studied art,

1569
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: sculpture and everything, and he um he bakes cakes, custom

1570
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 1: cakes for particular occasions and purposes. He's also a Christian

1571
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 1: and he's always declined to bake cakes that would send

1572
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 1: messages that he thinks are inconsistent with his Christian belief

1573
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: So in this case, Um Saint Steps couple, UM David

1574
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 1: Bowens and Charlie Craig came into his shop and asked

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01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 1: him to create and design a cake that's the way

1576
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 1: that Colorado Court of Appeals described it, to celebrate their

1577
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 1: same sex wedding. He told them that that's contrary to

1578
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 1: his religious beliefs and he couldn't do that. He said

1579
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:10,680
Speaker 1: he could sell them anything else that he had, but

1580
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 1: not something that would send a message approving of their wedding.

1581
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 1: So they filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission,

1582
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 1: and the Commission and the Colorado Court of Appeals sided

1583
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 1: with the couple. And so the cases now before the

1584
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. All right, what are the two sides here arguing?

1585
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,560
Speaker 1: What what's the what's the case in favor of Masterpiece

1586
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 1: cake shops right to say I will not be a

1587
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 1: part of the expression that could be involved in my

1588
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 1: day to day business when it comes to closely held

1589
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 1: religious beliefs. Yes, well uh. Jack Phillips insists that he

1590
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 1: did not and would not discriminate against anyone, including this couple,

1591
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: based on their sexual orientation. That his only objection is

1592
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: to using his artistic all of these to send messages

1593
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 1: that violate his conviction. So that's basically his side that

1594
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 1: has a sort of religious freedom dimension to it. But

1595
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: this warning, the focus was a little bit more I think,

1596
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 1: on the free speech freedom of expression aspect of his objection. Um.

1597
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 1: And on the other side, the state says that it

1598
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 1: can apply its antidiscrimination laws to any anyone who has

1599
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: a business that they opened up to the public, that

1600
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:29,680
Speaker 1: they just shouldn't be able to discriminate against anybody on

1601
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 1: the basis of sexual orientation, and that you can't create

1602
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 1: exceptions to that without causing confusion and undermining civil rights laws.

1603
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 1: All right, So what do you think is likely to

1604
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 1: be the breakdown here for the court? Do you think

1605
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: do you think this will be a five forward decision?

1606
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 1: And how do you think this is going to go? Um?

1607
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 1: This is another one of those that's really hard to predict, unfortunately,

1608
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: another one that sort of comes down probably to predicting

1609
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: or guessing what justice Kennedy might do. Um. I thought,

1610
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 1: and I should say that I helped to write and

1611
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,800
Speaker 1: amcas brief in the case for a number of legal

1612
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 1: scholars on the side of Jack Phillips, and I thought

1613
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 1: that with the freedom of expression angle, which I think

1614
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 1: is really quite powerful and resonates with an important part

1615
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 1: of our constitutional tradition, there might be a chance of

1616
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 1: getting the votes of say Justice Kagan or Justice Bryan.

1617
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:26,640
Speaker 1: And that's still possible. But just guessing from what was

1618
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:29,679
Speaker 1: said in the oral argument, it looked like the four

1619
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 1: typically liberal justices were disposed to side with the state

1620
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:39,559
Speaker 1: and the couple that the four more conservative justices were

1621
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 1: disposed to side with Jack Phillips, the Baker, and the

1622
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 1: Justice Kennedy again was sort of in the middle, asking questions,

1623
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 1: some of which he was sympathetic the colors which suggested

1624
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 1: he was sympathetic to the cake artist of the Bakers,

1625
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:58,720
Speaker 1: and anarchust brief Please tell us why you think Masterpiece

1626
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 1: Cake Shop, the owner he year, was was within his

1627
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: rights exploit because what they're saying, right, what I've seen

1628
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 1: on the left of the left on social media, the

1629
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:09,679
Speaker 1: argument coming from them, and that obviously is also part

1630
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 1: of the Colorado Civil Rights Commission approach to all this

1631
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:14,960
Speaker 1: is well, if you could say I don't want to

1632
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 1: design a wedding cake for a gay or same sex union,

1633
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 1: for gay gay marriage. Uh you could also then say, well,

1634
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:26,560
Speaker 1: I won't I won't design a wedding cake for a

1635
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 1: a multi racial couple, right, I mean that that's that's

1636
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 1: where this always goes. People say, well, what about what

1637
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 1: about these other civil civil rights issues from the past,

1638
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:41,720
Speaker 1: and what's the response to that? Professor? Yeah, Well, the

1639
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 1: usually the argument on the other side and the sort

1640
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 1: of you know, horrible situation that's brought up in and

1641
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 1: people try to analogize this case to it. It's like

1642
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 1: the old lunch counter type thing or the restaurant owners

1643
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 1: does that have religious conviction that says that I can't

1644
01:38:55,800 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 1: serve African Americans? And Uh, nobody really wants to go

1645
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:03,640
Speaker 1: back to that, I think, But it's really clear in

1646
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 1: this case. I think that Jack Phillis has no objection

1647
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 1: whatsoever to to selling any of his products to people

1648
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: on the basis of sexual orientation and conversely, the messages

1649
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 1: that define objectionable. He doesn't want to design a cake

1650
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: to convey a message that's objectionable, regardless of who asks

1651
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:27,679
Speaker 1: for it. It doesn't really matter what their sexual orientation is. Um,

1652
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, he's turned down a message just from people

1653
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 1: on various other kinds of messages, and he wouldn't design

1654
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 1: a cake and create one conveying approval of same sex marriage,

1655
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 1: regardless who who asked for it. So I think there

1656
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 1: is a pretty important distinction between declining to do something

1657
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 1: because of the message, and especially when that comes from

1658
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 1: someone who really is an artist. I don't think that's

1659
01:39:51,320 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 1: an exaggeration to say that he really is an artist.

1660
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 1: So on our side of the view that we took

1661
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 1: in our amicus brief, we tried to be to one

1662
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 1: of the most celebrated statements ever made by the Supreme

1663
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 1: Court that was in um a case called West Virginia

1664
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 1: State Board of Education against Barnett, is the famous Pledge

1665
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:14,559
Speaker 1: of Allegiance case involving Jehovah's witnesses during World War Two,

1666
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 1: and of Court said, if there's any fixed star in

1667
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 1: our constitutional constellation, it's that no official higher petty can

1668
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:26,360
Speaker 1: prescribe what shall be orthodox and politics, nationalism, or religion,

1669
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 1: or other matters of opinion, or force citizens to confess

1670
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 1: by word or act their faith they're in. And I

1671
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: think that's exactly what the State of Colorado was trying

1672
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 1: to do in this case. And I think the Court

1673
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:42,759
Speaker 1: could recognize that and not be eviscerating the civil rights

1674
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 1: or the antidiscrimination laws in general. That's not usually what

1675
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:48,320
Speaker 1: they're doing. Is it a fair? Is it a fair

1676
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 1: analogy that this is? This would be and I'm trying

1677
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 1: to find one that's accurate. They're all going to be imperfect,

1678
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 1: but this would be like walking in if an author

1679
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 1: is doing a book, sign it, you know, by the book,

1680
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 1: the author will write you a note. And let's say

1681
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 1: the author as a conservative Christian, or let's say the

1682
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:07,600
Speaker 1: authors as a as an orthodox uh Muslim, and you

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Speaker 1: have a couple that is a same sex couple. They

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Speaker 1: come and they say, we're buying a book from you,

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Speaker 1: but we want you to inscribe it that same sex marriage,

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01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 1: you know, is the way of God. And I renounced

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Speaker 1: all my beliefs to the contrary, and the author refused

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Speaker 1: and wouldn't and therefo wouldn't sell them in the book.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's the expressive component that's an issue here,

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01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:30,800
Speaker 1: not the actual sale or the day to day business operations.

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01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 1: That am I getting close to the distinction. I think

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01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 1: that's right. Of course, your case is much clearer than

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01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:39,920
Speaker 1: this way. You know, um where they're asking for an example,

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01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:41,639
Speaker 1: but I mean they're really turning on whether the cake

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01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 1: is you know, like this. That's why I went with

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01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 1: the author, right. I mean, if someone asked me, well,

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01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 1: you know, I I I want you to renounce what

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01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 1: you believe in and you're making money by selling books

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01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 1: or by selling your radio show or whatever it is,

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01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. And that's a pretty

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01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 1: clear first remin issue. It seems like what the Colorado

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01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 1: Civil Rights Commission is saying here is so, you know,

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01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 1: making a cake, it's not really expression. That's what they're

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01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:07,120
Speaker 1: really hanging a lot of this on. Yeah, that is

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01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 1: the position, although I disagree with it. I'm just trying

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01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:12,400
Speaker 1: to get to, like, I'm trying to clarify for the

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01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 1: audience what the what the crux is. I think you're

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01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 1: right about that, but I think it should be added

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01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:22,640
Speaker 1: that the Colorado Civilized Commission has been pretty inconsistent on

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01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:27,160
Speaker 1: this because they have ruled against, uh, several people who

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01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 1: asked bakers to design cakes that would have anti same

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01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 1: sex marriage, and in those cases, the Coloraud of Courts

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01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 1: Appeal said, well that was those people didn't have a

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01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 1: right to have that kind of cake. Baked, and they said,

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01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there are distinctions between these cases, but what

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01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:48,559
Speaker 1: the court said was because the of the offensiveness of

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01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:51,560
Speaker 1: the message. So it seems that they're willing to recognize

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01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 1: that a baker doesn't have to bake a cake. That's

1719
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:57,400
Speaker 1: the message is offensive on one side of this issue,

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01:42:57,560 --> 01:42:59,679
Speaker 1: but not on the other side. So there does seem

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01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:01,759
Speaker 1: to be a it of an inconsistent Yeah, there's viewpoint

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01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:04,000
Speaker 1: discrimination at work here with the way that the State

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01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 1: of Colorado of approach you, no surprise, their professor Stephen

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01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:10,799
Speaker 1: Smith of the University of San Diego Law School, appreciate

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01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:13,759
Speaker 1: you joining us, professor, Thank you so much and thanks

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01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 1: very much. By alright, team, we are going to roll

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Speaker 1: into a break. When we come back, let's talk some

1728
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 1: Team Buck speaks. I'll get into that. Stay with me.

1729
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's one of my favorite parts of being

1730
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 1: in the Freedom Hunt, my friends Team Buck Speaks. That's

1731
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,160
Speaker 1: what we're about to get into. I would just note

1732
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 1: that I am I'm. I'm finding myself very tempted to

1733
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:43,440
Speaker 1: both say and write y'all after my time in New Orleans. Um,

1734
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:45,600
Speaker 1: I am I'm. I'll hold it back a little bit

1735
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 1: because I want to be and I wanna be a

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01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 1: fake I want me a phony. No fake news in

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01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:53,240
Speaker 1: the freedom out here, no fake speech either. But it

1738
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:56,000
Speaker 1: is tempting. It's such a great contraction. It really is

1739
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 1: very effective, right, y'all is so much better. I was

1740
01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 1: writing an email to day to thank my friends down

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01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:04,640
Speaker 1: at our affiliate in New Orleans w r O, and

1742
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 1: I wrote you all, and I thought, do I go

1743
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:09,680
Speaker 1: with it here? Do I go with the y a apostrophe?

1744
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:12,639
Speaker 1: But I withheld for now. Maybe I got a few

1745
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 1: more visits down to Louisiana and some other parts of

1746
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:20,560
Speaker 1: the southern United States where this show is proudly broadcast,

1747
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 1: and I'll earn the right to yawl it up. I'm

1748
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that will happen soon. But I had said,

1749
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 1: Team Buck speaks. I am a man of my word.

1750
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:32,320
Speaker 1: Let's get into it. And by the way, if you

1751
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:34,639
Speaker 1: are listening and you would like to share some thoughts

1752
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,800
Speaker 1: on the show, you can do so at Facebook dot

1753
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 1: com slash buck Sexton, or you can also send us

1754
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 1: an email at official Team Buck at gmail dot com.

1755
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,040
Speaker 1: It's official Team Buck at gmail dot com. By the way,

1756
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Speaker 1: if you want to get some gear like a T shirt,

1757
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 1: got Freedom Hut shirts, Shields high shirts, all that stuff.

1758
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:59,160
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton dot Com, Here we go, Roy writes with

1759
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 1: the following, Hey Buck, your joy Behar imitation is the

1760
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:05,280
Speaker 1: best one yet. Kind of freaked me out, though I

1761
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 1: cannot stand her. Well, that's very nice of you. No,

1762
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of Hillary. I have to hear it

1763
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 1: to really be able to do it. Now here, I

1764
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:17,719
Speaker 1: am joy Beha. Now it's it's it's Hillary esque. It's

1765
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:21,600
Speaker 1: it's grating, you know, I'm so excited Trump's gonna be

1766
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 1: gone something like that. There you go. That's close to

1767
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: Joy Behar. That's getting a little bit better. It was

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01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:29,600
Speaker 1: in my ear for whatever reason after we played that

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01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:32,719
Speaker 1: sound by the other day. But thank you very much, Roight.

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01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:37,280
Speaker 1: Dave writes in hey Buck, you need a daily sports

1771
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 1: segment with Tyrone, and he needs walk up music. He

1772
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 1: knows his stuff. Take care from Dave. Well, Tyrone certainly

1773
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:46,200
Speaker 1: does know his stuff, and if he wants to create

1774
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 1: an intro, we could certainly do that. I'm I'm up

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01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 1: for Tyrone. What do you think Tyrone's into it? We

1776
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 1: could do that. Uh, let's let's give that some thought.

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01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 1: I like it, all right, also, oh, he wrote great

1778
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:00,680
Speaker 1: recommendation of Escape from Camp fourteen. This is also from

1779
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:04,000
Speaker 1: Dave knocked it out this weekend. And I can't believe

1780
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 1: places like that exist on this earth. Yeah, I know

1781
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:12,000
Speaker 1: I can't either, my friend. Uh, where are the social

1782
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 1: justice warriors like Google and Facebook? Well they're not not

1783
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 1: in North Korea, that's for sure. Doug right to the following, Hey, Buck,

1784
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 1: enjoy your show. I struggle with visiting New Orleans. A

1785
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 1: great city, but why I support a city that dishonors

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01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 1: my heritage being politically correct and removing historical monuments thanks

1787
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:35,320
Speaker 1: from Doug. Well, Doug, First of all, Norman is a

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01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 1: great city with great food, really nice people, a lot

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01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:41,439
Speaker 1: of really fantastic culture. I love it. I think it's

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01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:43,040
Speaker 1: a great place. I'm a big fan. I want to

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01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 1: go back soon. Uh. In terms of a politically correct city,

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01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, you don't hold against the city that the

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01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:51,360
Speaker 1: political winds are blowing one way or the other. Right now,

1794
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 1: think about New York City and it's a great town.

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01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean, New York's a lot of fun, super dynamic,

1796
01:46:57,160 --> 01:47:00,000
Speaker 1: so much here, so much going on, but our polity

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01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:02,640
Speaker 1: takes stink. I mean, on the first to admitute. This

1798
01:47:02,720 --> 01:47:06,920
Speaker 1: place is a far left bastion and it's a shame,

1799
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean you shouldn't come check it out.

1800
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:12,360
Speaker 1: Go to Central Park, you know, go get a burger

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01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 1: at J. G. Meil On in the Upper east Side.

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01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,240
Speaker 1: Maybe go check out the Metropolity Museum of Art, catch

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01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:19,240
Speaker 1: a Broadway show, walk around the village, go on the

1804
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:21,760
Speaker 1: high Line. All kinds of great stuff to do here

1805
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 1: in town, you know, catching any one of the different

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01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 1: sporting events that happens around the city. New York is awesome.

1807
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 1: So the politics here stink, but the city itself is

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01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 1: pretty fantastic. All right. We've got Harley writing in Hey Buck,

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01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm really enjoying the history deep Dives. I just want

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01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 1: to recommend looking into a very interesting person who lived

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01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:45,280
Speaker 1: through and fought the American Revolution named Peter Francisco. I

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01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 1: also happened to be a descendant of this man, and

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01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 1: my family takes great pride in this. My grandmother's maiden

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01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:55,479
Speaker 1: name was Francisco, as is my father's middle name and

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01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:59,480
Speaker 1: my son's as well. We actually own an original engraving

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01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 1: of him that you will see on the internet if

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01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:03,840
Speaker 1: you look it up. It's a picture of him pulling

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01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 1: a redcoat off his horse and explaining how he caused

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01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:09,679
Speaker 1: a British retreat. I think you would find his story

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01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:13,599
Speaker 1: fascinating as well as his actions. Sadly, he is forgotten

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01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 1: by most, hope all as well. Shields High Well, Harley,

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01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 1: that's very cool. I had never heard of this individual

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01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:23,040
Speaker 1: and will definitely do some some researchers see what I

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01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:28,000
Speaker 1: could pull together. David more history buffs right and in hey, Buck,

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01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 1: You're probably not gonna believe this, but Jean Lafitte was

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01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:34,760
Speaker 1: my great great grandfather. His story is so incredibly cool.

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01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:41,120
Speaker 1: Pirate and patriot later Uh well, yeah, um, Jean Jean Lafitte.

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01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:43,240
Speaker 1: I know a little bit about his story. I know

1829
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 1: that he was a pirate, and know that he was

1830
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:48,000
Speaker 1: in the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean. He set

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01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:52,840
Speaker 1: up shop in the environs of New Orleans and would

1832
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 1: board ships and say give me some of your stuff

1833
01:48:55,439 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 1: or else. And then he found himself in prison and

1834
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 1: the Rits were doing that whole Battle of New Orleans.

1835
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:05,599
Speaker 1: Battle of New Orleans. Pardon me, They told me, never

1836
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:08,320
Speaker 1: say New Orleans, and I agree, Battle of New Orleans

1837
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 1: stuff and the Americans were like, hey, Jean Lafitte, and

1838
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 1: he was like, man, we be in Sarah, I am

1839
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:16,640
Speaker 1: here for you what you're saying, let me finish my cigarette.

1840
01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:20,080
Speaker 1: And they said, well, Mr Lafitte, would you be willing

1841
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:22,760
Speaker 1: to help us fight the British. And he's like, I'll say, hey,

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01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:26,080
Speaker 1: ze British. Who there's not heads in British with their

1843
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:32,800
Speaker 1: disgusting biscuits and their funny haircuts and all the rest

1844
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:35,919
Speaker 1: that I hate it and all of that. So Jean Lafitte,

1845
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:40,280
Speaker 1: who is very French, obviously, he joined with the Americans

1846
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:43,080
Speaker 1: and helped defeat the British at one of the final

1847
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 1: battles of the War of eighteen twelve, Battle of New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you very much for that. My friend

1849
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 1: Jake writes in Buck, I'm listening to the podcasts, and

1850
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:56,360
Speaker 1: you said that lawmakers are hiding in the complexity. You

1851
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 1: couldn't be more correct. That's also why you'll never see

1852
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:02,720
Speaker 1: a flat tag. The more complex the tax code is,

1853
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:05,920
Speaker 1: the more easily it can be weaponized, and the more

1854
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 1: easily they can embed pork barrel spending into excessively lengthy

1855
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 1: bills that only lawyers can understand. Jake totally agree that

1856
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:19,640
Speaker 1: is the unfortunate reality of our tax code at this

1857
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 1: point in time. I am very much concerned that that

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01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:28,679
Speaker 1: means we will never truly have a simplified tax code,

1859
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:32,320
Speaker 1: will never have a truly fair tax code. It is

1860
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:40,519
Speaker 1: the single most obvious implementation of favoritism and uh special

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01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:44,960
Speaker 1: interest doing things for special interests than anything else that

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01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 1: the Congress does. The tax code is the easiest way

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01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,400
Speaker 1: to give out goodies and favors and not have there

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01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:53,479
Speaker 1: be any real accountability for it. So that's why, if

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01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 1: you ever, if it ever sounds like I'm a little

1866
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:57,639
Speaker 1: get off my lawn when it comes to taxes, and

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01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:00,720
Speaker 1: even Republicans pass at tax cut for corporation Asians, it's

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01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 1: just my frustration that this isn't much more transparent and

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01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:11,720
Speaker 1: much more Honestly, this isn't a much bigger effort at

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01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:13,760
Speaker 1: revamping the tax code than what we've seen so far.

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01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:15,960
Speaker 1: Because I wanted to be all right, we're gonna close

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01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:19,400
Speaker 1: up shop in the hut for tonight. Please do send

1873
01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:21,639
Speaker 1: me your thoughts on Facebook, dot com, slash box, saxon,

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Speaker 1: download the podcast, google Play, iTunes, or were fine. Podcasts

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Speaker 1: are stored until Tomorrow shields high