WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Sunny Hostin 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.080 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.040 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme, 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:12.799 Quest Love. 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:14.360 What is up? Crew? 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:16.560 See? We have made Bill? 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:20.560 How are you? Everything's good? 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.000 Left on the street, remains on the street. Everything's good. 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:23.759 I can't complain. 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.560 Yeah, I was about to say, I commend you. I 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.479 haven't told you yet, but uh, you guys handled that. 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.080 Uh Elmo discovers racism bit. 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.599 Autumn's been working real hard on that, and uh do 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.640 we did some COVID town halls. We did we did 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:42.320 race town halls and it's been going pretty well, this 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:43.560 partnership with Seeing It. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:45.640 Yeah, it's cool, all right, all right, So we also 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:46.880 got a fine take Alo. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:48.800 In the house. What's going on? 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:50.559 New smoke coming out? 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:50.960 Anything? 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:51.800 Anything coming up? 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.480 Or I mean, I've been working on a lot of 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:56.560 stuff that's about to come out. Mainly I just been 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:57.920 bumping the CARDI and Meg joint. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:00:58.640 That's been my. 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:06.080 Text. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.679 Thanks, I gotta admit. 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:09.800 Yeah. 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.800 Yeah, And Steve, you're doing all right? I mean, sugar Steve. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.960 Yeah, I thought we were your friends now so I 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.000 can address you by your Christian name. 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.119 Were you and I are back at work now? How 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.319 does it feel. We get tested every day, so we're safe. 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.280 Y'all go rabbit test, y'all trump? Oh my god, how 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:32.360 y'all get the rabbit test? 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.399 I got tested. We get tested every day, yo. 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.680 And you get your results? And how how short. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:45.080 Time your brain? 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.960 No one, I admit, I gotta admit, okay. So there's 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:57.760 like four different nurses that do it. The idea of the. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.520 Sexy nurse, who are called the essendon nurse. 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:02.160 Because she wears these like really weird stiletto heels. 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.360 Like everyone everyone fights to be in her room. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.760 He's also the person like, god damn, she damn nearly 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:11.200 cleans your brain out like. 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.200 She her bedside manner is too rough. 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:20.360 So I like the the other gentle nasal tester. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:22.720 But yeah, we get a test every day. 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:27.160 Like to answer your question, sony wow, I asked our 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.160 guests if she gets tested a celebrity thing. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.440 It's always listen, it's always It's always customary that we 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.639 say hello to each other first, so that people know that, 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:37.280 you know, we don't bicker. 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:38.520 How are you like. 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:40.880 Oh, I'm good. 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.440 Somebody should know that I am sweating because I am 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.240 very excited about our guests and that's why I'm sweating. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.000 That's good. Well, yes, let's get to our guests. 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:53.760 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome our guest today. She is a 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.680 four time Daytime Emmy Award winner. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:58.320 That's right. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:02.679 Yes, he's a lawyer a journalist of course. She is 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:07.720 host of her own true crime series and call Investigation Discovery. 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:09.959 Future best selling author. 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.359 This fall, she has a book called i Amb's Truths, 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.360 a memoir of identity, justice and living between two worlds. 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:20.079 That Laya is extreme. We're all excited, but why is 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:23.959 Mega s excited about this? Not to be outdone your 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:30.440 first so I'll say fiction or your first novel will 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:34.320 also be out in twenty twenty one, entitled Summer on 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:35.960 the Bluffs, which has nothing to. 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:41.440 Do with Curtis Snow on the Bluff. When I saw that, I. 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.920 Was like, wait a minute, that has nothing to do 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.360 with Curtis Snow's snow on the Bluff. She is also 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.640 I like to think of myself as a chicken farmer 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.240 as well, because of where I'm quarantining. She's a fellow 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:59.920 chicken farmer from the Boogie Down Bronx. But she's based 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.680 you know, well known and loved as a member one 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:09.200 fifth of the fiery, passionate, informed and impinionated ladies UH 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:11.280 known as the Crew from the View. 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:16.279 Let my fellow Q lessers also know that the five 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:16.800 of us have. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:21.360 Very good for We generally agree on most things around here. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.400 Can you guys imagine if like me, Steve and Laya 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:34.880 were kind of like Megan, Abby will be in it anyway. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.559 Gentlemen, please welcome to you all as Sonny hostin. Please 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:35.839 thank you. 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:44.440 Yeah, OK, I have one question for I just I 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.320 want to get the first question out before like you 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:47.479 grow upload right now? 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:52.039 No not. Does it get exhausting. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:55.800 If I'm being honest, you know, it gets exhausting for 0:04:56.000 --> 0:05:00.920 a lot of reasons. But I think it's it's very. 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:07.440 Difficult to maintain your composure when you're talking about things 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.920 that people generally feel uncomfortable talking about, and you know 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.080 you're talking about them in front of three million people, 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:14.720 and you know. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.120 You have to come back and talk about them again. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:23.760 So you can't burn bridges, but sometimes you want to. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.039 You kind of want to not only burn them, you 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:30.440 want to blow them up. And it's also hard as 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.520 a woman and a woman of color, when I know 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:37.520 that there are all these tropes out there all the time, 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:43.919 angry black woman, too emotional, irrational, And I know because 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.640 I hear from our viewers that they feel that I 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:51.200 represent them, and so I do not want to be 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.919 a poor representation of the people. So I have to 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.080 think about all that when I'm there a lot. 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:02.640 Yeah, I feel like for a lot of viewers of 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.960 the show, especially pre COVID, I will say that there's 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.720 a majority of the people that I know, especially like 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.120 where Steve and I work. Steve and I work at 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:18.280 thirty Rockefeller Plaza, So I think oftentimes people think like, oh, well, 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:22.680 I'm cool roots the roots in a mirror, so I'm 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:27.040 not racist, or I'm not you know, or those things 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.640 where it's like, well, you're friends with your coworkers, so 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.880 thus you're on the right side of history. I often 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.920 feel as though I feel like you and Whoopee might 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.440 be the only point of view of a person of 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.920 color or a woman that most of Middle America or 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.040 I want, and I don't want it to just say like, oh, 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:51.080 only housewives watch the view, like anyone who's home during 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.320 those morning the afternoon hours watches. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:54.440 It, but we all home. 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.839 Yeah, I was going to say that I often feel 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:06.839 as though people channel into YouTube for opinions that they 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.600 might otherwise not know about because they don't have friends 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.080 that they're close to. So I feel like there's an 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.760 added pressure on you. But when the when the cameras 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.520 are off and the show is done, how awkward is 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.760 that walk back to the dressing room for the five 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.360 of you, especially if it's unsettled. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:28.040 Yeah, it depends on the day, you know, in all honesty, 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.600 because we know we have to Yeah, I mean, we know, 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.280 we know we're going to work together the next day, 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:41.200 and we may have had a really uncomfortable conversation. And 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.560 what a lot of people don't know is, you know, 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.520 we're totally unscripted. We don't know what anyone is going 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.960 to say, we know the topics, we don't even know 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.520 the questions that are coming at us. So after it 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:57.280 blows up and we're giving our honest feedback, especially during 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.880 these times like COVID and the pandemic and this presidency 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.720 and you know, this administration, and I think what's become 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:11.000 a racial reckoning, tempers are flaring and and sometimes it's 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.880 hard to you know, look at your colleague and not 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.960 be emotional and upset and wondering what where where did 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.040 that come from? Most times, though, I'll be honest, we 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.600 we reach back out to each other. It may take 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:29.200 a day, it may take two days, but sometimes it's immediate. 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.320 We will text each other, we will call each other 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:36.280 and say what was that. We we have that relationship 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:36.800 with each other. 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:38.360 Now we've done that, guys. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.199 Yeah, yeah, not. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.080 What we've done. We've we've done that. 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:45.880 Happens. 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:48.959 You have to because at the end of the day, 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:50.720 it's kind of like another family too. 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:51.800 So you know this. 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.920 You don't always like each other. You do love each other, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.560 and you want to make sure that you know that, right. 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.880 Yeah, And we're dysfunctional like every other family, you know. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:05.880 So this is what it is. And imagine a family 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.600 that you didn't choose and a family that is We're 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:15.520 all very different, different ages, different backgrounds. We are as 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.680 different as you could be, all thrown together. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.080 I watch you maneuver with the age thing, and that's 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.319 I see you, to see you and whoope, because that's 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.880 an interesting in there, because y'all have very different backgrounds 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:26.800 and very different. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:27.400 Views at times. 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.120 A lot of times you get this the same, but 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.120 sometimes your experiences and her experience is coming to and 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.280 I watch you, you know, gracefully go in your mind 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.160 to me, I go, you go, that's my elder. 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:38.200 Let me listen to her. 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:42.680 And then absolutely absolutely, you know, I think at least 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.440 that's how I was raised. You know, you're speaking to 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.600 someone of a different generation. You do that with respect. 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:53.920 Even if you disagree, you just disagree respectfully. Not everyone 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.440 was raised that way, but that's how I was raised. Oh, 0:09:57.840 --> 0:09:59.120 how I comport myself? 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:02.400 How how hard is it? 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:08.960 Especially when you have to give so many teachable moments 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:14.480 in sound bites within these like eight to nine minute increments, 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.439 and the five of you have the platform. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.960 Like I'll say right now, the five of us. 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:23.880 Have a rhythm or energy that we didn't have maybe 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.760 the first twenty episodes where we. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:31.200 Were talking on top of each other that sort of thing. 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:39.959 Yeah, I don't say anymore, it's my rhythm, silence, no whit. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:46.319 But oftentimes, well, you've been there for two years now, correct? 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:46.920 Four? 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:47.680 Four? 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.080 Okay, yeah, four, I believe it or not? 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.680 Right, has been two years long. 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:59.040 So even in being there for four years and new 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:04.200 blood comes in and you know, and oftentimes, you know, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.040 I think that often when producers or executive producers are 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.200 looking for someone to fit in, they're thinking about ratings, 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:15.040 they're thinking about who who's controversial, who's rebel rouser. So 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.640 you kind kind of have to wonder, like who's there 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.120 just to be the SoundBite of the moment on social 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.760 media or who's there to really make a teachable moment 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.520 to teach America and teach each other about how you 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.240 feel as a human, Like how hard is it to 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:37.160 talk in sound bites that are sustinct and to the point, 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.600 and also trying to make a teachable moment, Like do 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:45.240 you ever feel as though you know, I mean, obviously 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.720 I'm trying not to make this about Megan, but I'm 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:53.240 just saying, like, do you ever that there will be 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.000 a teachable moment for her? 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.120 Where there have been some I'm sorry, go ahead, Yeah, I. 0:11:58.040 --> 0:11:59.880 Mean there have been some, but I almost feel like 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.439 sometimes it's nine steps forward and then. 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:05.080 Mm hm. 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.240 As as far like how concerned you about making a 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.960 teachable moment in which the person really understands and not 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:13.520 in that way where it's just like, oh, you're an 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.080 exception to the rule, you're the good one. 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:19.640 But yeah, you know, Iran getting. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:25.600 When I when I am thinking in the moment. I'm 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.680 a quick thinker. I think pretty quickly on my feet. 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.280 I think it's my training as a lawyer. But I 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.000 know what my job is, and I know my job 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.440 is to teach my job. You know, when you have 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:39.360 that kind of platform, you have to teach. And I'm 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:43.400 not only trying to teach or inform my colleagues. I'm 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:48.920 trying to inform someone in you know, somewhere someplace in 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.560 the country that hasn't hurt that kind of point of view. 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:55.640 Like you mentioned earlier that I'm sometimes the only person 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.880 of color that they that they've seen that they that 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.920 they can engage with. And people do engage on social media, 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:07.040 that's absolutely sure, and so I try to do that. 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:12.160 I will tell you that it's pretty difficult, especially when 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.679 it's a topic that I know is of great important 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.480 right and I know what I say is gonna be 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.760 all over the media. I know people are gonna interpret 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.679 it and misinterpret it. I think it's pretty difficult. Our 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:30.800 show does a really good job of at a break saying, Sonny, 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.520 did you say what you needed to say? Megan, did 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:33.800 you say what you need to say? Whoop, did you 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.240 say what you need to say? And if you're watching, 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:40.040 oftentimes what we will continue the conversation. And that's because 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.560 during the break we've said, we didn't get that out, 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.840 we didn't get that straight. I need to correct myself. 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.080 But it's waiting. Why is she always last? I'm like Megan, 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:49.600 if you don't get in there in the second, I 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:49.959 think she. 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:54.480 Feels I think she feels most comfortable waiting to hear 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.720 what everyone is saying, because she really is. Uh. You know, 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.760 she's the youngest on our on our show, and I 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:06.040 really believe quest to your initial question, that she is 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:11.600 a work in progress, Like she is really thinking things through. 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.840 She's going through a lot of changes. We're talking about, 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.800 you know, the death of her father, her hero, being 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:22.040 pregnant for the first time, married, newly married, having you 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:28.680 in her life, having like me is you know, those 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.800 who are a lot of changes, with a lot of 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.320 in front of the public at that age, in your 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:38.840 early thirties. And and she's really she's learning a lot 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.960 of a lot of things. I think she's questioning a 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.240 lot of a lot of things. While she's formed some opinions, 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:48.440 they change mind changed. Sometimes I hear things and I think, okay, 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.400 you know, I've may never agree with that, but I 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.520 can understand where you're coming from. And that's what our 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.720 show is about. I think it's it's changed all of us. 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:57.760 Joy will tell you that all the time she's been 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.400 on the show, from the very beginning, except a couple 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:05.640 of years she got fired, and she's a changed person 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.400 because of it. She's a changed person. And each host 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:13.160 does change you in ways that is very surprising. It's uh, 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:17.880 you know, I understand more about conservative women than than 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.560 I ever have or even cared to. 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.080 Really, what is it that you think you understand now? 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.440 What is the show helped you understand that you didn't before? 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:27.160 You know? 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:29.200 One of the things that I grew up in the 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:35.200 South Bronx, right, so, and I grew up with a 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.880 certain group of people. I didn't grow up in the 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:40.880 middle of the country, although I did go to law 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.720 school in the middle of the country. So my experience 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.080 is more varied than most people. But my close friends 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:52.600 tend to mirror my opinions. We agree with each other 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:56.200 most of the time. Now, all of a sudden, I'm learning, Okay, Well, 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:00.840 if you have never, let's say, experience, it's the kind 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:04.880 of poverty I experienced. You take for granted a lot 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.760 of things and it takes someone to say, you know what, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.800 not everybody has health care, so you feel sick, you 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.880 immediately get to go to the doctor. I've had the 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.560 occasion in my family someone's sick. We don't have health insurance. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.320 We don't have the ability to go to the doctors. 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.640 So we're sick and we go to work and we 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:27.760 get other people sick. So we're not being reckless, so 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.480 to speak, because we want to be We need to 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.920 feed our families, and that's Those are the kinds of 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:39.840 exchanges that we've had backstage, you know, where people are like, 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.360 that's reckless, that's reckless. I'm like, no, that's poverty. And 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:49.200 I can understand why she may feel that way. Someone 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.800 one of the hosts may feel that way because it's 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.720 just not in her experience. She doesn't have the bandwidth. 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:56.600 America. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.440 She's learning it, you know. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.080 It's interesting watching Megan learn how great America isn't like 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:02.000 through you guys. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:06.600 She's she's she's really she's learning things and we're learning 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.760 from her as well. So it's good to have have 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.760 someone who just has a different opinion. 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.879 It's funny you say that because I think in my 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:21.000 second year thirty Rock, like I think like maybe one 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:25.880 death and one major sickness. I had to like sit 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:30.080 out for like more than a day, and the first 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.639 time I was like really really sick, like with the flu, 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.280 they were kind of like, you know, well, why the 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.879 hell are you in? Like you could have got a 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:42.120 sub to sit in for you. And you know, I 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.960 came from an upbringing where like I mean, your limbs 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.960 could be hanging off, yep, you still like you still 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:55.800 work where it worked it and they couldn't understand that mentality, 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.439 you know. And meanwhile, like you know, one of them 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.960 will have the sniffles and then like run immediately to 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.240 the ninth floor to like the nurse's office. I'm like, 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:09.200 let's get a cleanex like like I'm learning the cultural 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:13.160 difference and whatnot. Well, you mentioned the South Bronx. That's 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.080 I know, that's where you were born. Could you give 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:20.439 us a brief synopsis of what like your formative childhood was, 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:21.920 like like the type of household you. 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.879 Grew up in, you know, I think my childhood was 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.760 a lot like so many of us. My parents were teenagers. 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.360 My mom was seventeen when she got pregnant. My dad 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:38.760 was eighteen. They got married, but she had to get 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:40.879 a ged. You know, she had all these dreams of 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:43.600 going along school. Actually my father wanted to go to 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:45.800 medical school. It didn't happen for them. He had to 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:49.119 find a job. Got they got married. She stayed at 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.800 home with me, and you know, there were plenty of 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.720 days with no My father actually is here visiting me 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.600 from North Carolina because my son just graduatedrom High school. 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:04.879 He said, woo to North Carolina. I'm Boosboro. Yeah, Town 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:06.719 Greens was my hometown. 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:07.280 That's what I was. 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.840 Really, he's right here. He drove ten hours because he 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.480 can't get on a plane. He's in the seventies, which 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.520 wasn't gonna miss his grandson's graduation even though it was virtual. 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:23.360 We couldn't go New York. Ye. Yeah. And he he 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.880 he said to me yesterday, he said, uh, we were 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.320 worried about the power going out. And I said, that's okay. 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.480 I'll just I'll just put some hot water on the stove, 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.320 you know, if it gets cold, and I'll heat up 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:37.520 the room. And he was like, you remember that. I said, yeah, 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:40.159 I remember that because there were a lot of days 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:44.840 when we didn't have we didn't have water, we didn't 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:46.439 have food. 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.840 Open up the oven heat did do that. That was 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:50.439 I did that. 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:57.960 You know that. There's a lot of days. But we 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.840 always had love. That was the thing, like, we always 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.119 had love. My parents worked. It was hard for them 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:08.760 to get a job. And I will say for us, 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:12.959 education was really important. For them, it was it was 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.959 the game changer. They felt that that was a game changer. 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.119 So we didn't watch a lot of TV in our house, 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.240 but there were a lot of books, and it was 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.320 sort of you know, my mom's from Puerto Rico, so 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:26.880 I think a part of it was. And so Spanish 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:30.199 is my first language, but it was Spanish and English, 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:35.760 same household, books and work hard even though we don't 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.320 have a lot, you know, she would make my clothes, 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:41.320 that kind of thing. But we had love and we 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:44.000 worked hard and things would get better. That was sort 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.960 of the vibe growing up. And I didn't even realize 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:48.639 we were that poor. 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:49.879 Are they still married? 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:54.720 They're still alive. They're not married, but they date, which 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:55.600 is really awkward. 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:57.879 They were wait a minute, Sunday, I didn't get to 0:20:57.920 --> 0:20:59.240 that part of the book. I'm just at the part 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:00.720 with a divorce and that was shocking. 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:05.040 Wait, yeah, it's so awkward. He's at the house now 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:06.400 she lives here. 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:12.800 So how long have they been seeing each other? Yes, 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.680 I would not like that. I wouldn't like. 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:18.160 What. 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:20.200 I have so many questions, how do you do that? 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:21.360 So ridiculous? 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:27.400 Really feel okay? Man, he want that old thing back. 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.440 Can I just tell you though, it's funny in reading 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:35.000 your story, Sonny, because so many parallels and that way. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:36.200 My parents are the same way. 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:38.280 They don't go together, but they're best friends even though 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:41.040 they've been divorced for thirty years. It's just funny of 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.119 reading your story because you're an only child too, so 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:46.560 it just affects you really differently, differently. 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.320 I was devastated when they got divorced. I was I 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.840 was upset, like my whole world blew up. You know, 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:54.720 they blew up my world. And now they have the 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:57.760 nerve to be at my house mooching in the kitchen. 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:01.960 It fishes me off. I'll be honest with you. It 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:05.439 was a break for me. 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:08.879 It was a break. 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:13.000 So during the time period that you grew up in 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:18.040 the South Bronx, what were your teen years into of course, 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:23.879 I mean our our podcast is music heavy. I'd be 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:26.800 remiss it if I didn't ask about I mean, you 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.520 grew up in the birthplace for where hip hop was 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:31.320 actually born. 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.040 Yeah, in nineteen. 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.760 Broken Last Memoir like she's h like a. 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:42.600 Verse, like party jams and those things, and. 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.879 I really did, I really did. I mean break dancing 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:47.240 was kind of big back then. 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:49.240 As well. 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:54.960 Crazy Legs was out there. I remember going to the 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:59.480 Tunnel and seeing Slick Rick perform with Dougie Fresh. I 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:03.760 was I just I loved music. I loved loved music 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:04.840 because you. 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:06.000 Were allowed to go out. 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.359 Because I was worrying because I wasn't necessarily allowed to 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:11.000 go out, but I went out. 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:12.000 I went out. 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:16.840 I snuck out sometimes. You know, I was a little 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:18.919 bit of a rule breaker. I wasn't really allowed to 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:22.160 go out because also, you know, I was I was young. 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:25.960 I was twelve in high school, in sixteen in college. 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:32.879 Yeah, I was like yo, issue, yeah, and so but 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:33.359 your parents. 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:35.040 My parents are more like you know, my mom was 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:37.400 kind of like strict, but at the same time she's like, well, dang, 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:39.800 your friends are going out, so maybe you could spend 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:41.640 the night out. And that's when you spend the night 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:46.000 at the house. Then you go to the club, right, No, parents, 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:49.600 My parents, no, they were like, you're too young. And 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.480 I looked young too. I looked rad young. 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:56.480 So it was kind of, you know, a sneaking out 0:23:56.720 --> 0:24:00.480 type of thing, trying to make myself look older. Bounces 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:02.920 in like you know, they said, bounces back in the day, 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:05.760 picking people to get in. They knew what I looked like. 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:17.080 I'm sure I looked sixteen twelve, but it was it was, 0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:21.280 you know, I I loved music, I loved hanging out 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:24.840 with my friends, breaking night, you know, that kind of 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:27.760 that kind of thing. But I will tell you when 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:33.480 my parents after my uncle, my uncle got stabbed during 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:38.520 an altercation and I saw it. I was with him 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:45.160 when it happened, and my mother said he was almost killed. 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:50.359 He later died as a competent. I did, yeah, and 0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:53.760 it was it was horrible. My family decided, you know, 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:57.679 we can't live with this kind of violence around us 0:24:57.720 --> 0:24:59.320 all the time. So they kept on trying to get 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:03.000 an apartment in Manhattan. But because they're an interracial couple, 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:08.000 they couldn't get an apartment. They would go together, and 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:10.320 you think about it, I mean, you know, redline is 0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:13.800 such a problem and racial bias and housing is such 0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:16.320 a problem. But this is the seventies and they could 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:19.560 not get a place to live together. But interracial marriages 0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:22.639 had just been sanctioned by the Supreme Court in sixty seven. 0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:26.640 They got married in sixty eight, so you know, seventies, 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:30.680 there weren't that many people that were married from different 0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:34.800 races then. So my mother went on her own and 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:38.240 filled out an application in Manhattan, and she changed her 0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:42.440 name from Rosa to Rose, and she changed She used 0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:44.920 to go by her maiden name, which is Besa. Her 0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:48.680 father's a Spanish Jew, and she changed it to Come. 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:51.000 She used my father's last name Coming, so she became 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:54.960 Rose Comings. And if you look at her, she doesn't 0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:59.400 look of color. And she got an apartment in Manhattan 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:01.879 and we move moved out the Bronx, and when my 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:04.720 dad and I showed up, you could imagine the sts. 0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:11.320 So I got the opportunity when I was going to 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:14.880 high school, I lived in Manhattan in a better neighborhood 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:16.760 and was able to hang out at the clubs in 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.960 Manhattan too, So that was that was the upshot. But 0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:22.280 I split my time because my fam most of my 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:23.439 family was still in the Bronx. 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:26.240 I mentioned after in the book and the memoir you 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:28.399 when you tell that story about your uncle, because sorry, 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:30.240 it was so good. I made a couple of notes, 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:33.040 and they said that you said that it marked the 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:36.240 beginning of having to straddle multiple worlds, which to me 0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:38.640 started to make sense as a viewer of. 0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.520 The view and the way you handle things. 0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:43.720 And you just talked about how it becomes natural and 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.480 necessary to juggle motherhood, career, loving and knew and old friends, 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:50.280 and how when you moved to Manhattan your old friends, 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.400 and the Bronx was like, oh, you knew right. 0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:55.439 They still trip on me. It's so funny. They're like, oh, 0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:58.240 you fancy now still to this day because I have 0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:00.960 the same friends, I've any friends. 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.320 Getting jumped on the subway, I was like, sonny, I 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:03.600 got that. 0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:05.760 I did. I got jumped on the subway. 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:11.720 Tell the guys this story please, because I had the 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:13.480 same experience I did. 0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:18.200 You did. It's horrible so that you experienced, Yes, it's horrible. 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:21.359 I used to have to take the subway, two subways, 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:25.600 two trains from where I lived to this private school 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:28.680 my father insisted on sending me to on Park Avenue, 0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:32.120 and it's like I had never experienced anything like that. 0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:35.520 You know, it was certainly not my world. And but 0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:37.560 he wanted a better life for me, so they enrolled 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:40.720 me in this this private school with these fancy uniforms. 0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:44.119 But everybody else getting dropped off, you know, being driven 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:47.040 there and I'm taking the subway and I got the 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:50.320 ouf and on, and you become a target immediately. You're 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:53.879 you're just a target, so like I know, street ways. 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:57.800 But they knew that I was somehow different. And this 0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:00.440 group of girls would always get on the stay train, 0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:03.240 always got a six train and it was about six 0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:06.119 of them, and they would just taunt me, Oh you 0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:08.640 this use that. Look at where'd you get those shoes? 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.000 Look at that uniform where you go to school? Blah 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:15.920 blah blah blah. It was just oh, but that was constant, 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:17.960 you know, and I have very long hair. My hair 0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:21.919 was like waistless, and they would say, you know, uh, 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.080 look at that hair, that's why you think you're cute. 0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:27.520 And it was constant. It was for about three or 0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:30.320 four months, and I realized we must all gone to 0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:32.960 school in the same area because we were on the 0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:35.560 same train at the same time trying to get to school. 0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:37.720 And I would try different cars and they would just 0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.960 find me, and they find me, and I think it 0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.760 was just like their their you know, their morning fun, 0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:48.000 quite frankly. And then one day they were quiet and 0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:52.600 I was like, oh, maybe it's over. I literally they 0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:55.600 literally we get off of this at this at the stop. 0:28:56.360 --> 0:29:00.360 It's a sixty eighth Street, Manhattan, and they don't me. 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:05.960 They take one of my like my braid and just 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:09.960 cut it off, just one wow. So I got one 0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:14.840 long grade and just nothing, I mean, And I was 0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:19.680 so traumatized. And I had never really looked them in 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.520 the face, because that's New York real. You don't look 0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.360 at the people in the face because now you're challenging someone. 0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:27.440 So I would hear them and say, but I would 0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:30.000 just just cursory glance. So, you know, I ran to 0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:32.400 the school. The school called the police, and they kept 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:34.480 on saying, do you want to identify them? I was like, one, 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:36.160 I don't really, I didn't look them in the face. 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:40.840 And two can you imagine if I identified them? You know, 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:44.960 then I got to get on the train again. It's 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:48.200 just not a good ride. And so I spent the 0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:53.040 next you know, I would say, six months avoiding taking 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:56.440 the train, walking to school, you know, walking miles to school, 0:29:56.480 --> 0:30:00.680 taking the bus, pretending to be ill. I don't have to. 0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:03.880 You know, my cousins were like, you know, trying to 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:07.479 take me to school. It was it was it was 0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:11.520 an interesting you know, you're straddling two worlds, right, I mean, 0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:14.880 that's that's I think so many of us. We call 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:17.880 it code switching now, but I think many of us 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:21.040 are sort of used to doing that. And I'm used 0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:23.200 to doing that on the view too. I mean, there 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:24.680 are times I got to tell you, I feel like 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:28.640 my husband explodes, explode and yelling at. 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:29.720 The TV and you can't. 0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:33.520 Yeah, I feel like falling back into a certain code, 0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:36.880 but I just know that it's not. It won't serve 0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.000 anybody well to do that. 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:41.640 But the theme is is that you constantly do this. 0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:44.360 And even when you were describing the intricacies of being 0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:46.600 from a Puerto Rican side of the family and a 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.920 family who is from the South, and the difference between 0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.440 being the light skinned cousin and then the greeta like, yeah, 0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.520 the way you broke down and understood early your position 0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:58.600 and even though it upsets you, but you were like 0:30:59.160 --> 0:30:59.760 I get it. 0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:03.680 Yeah, I get it. It's interesting when you, I think, 0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.160 when you live between worlds like that, you know, like 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.080 my father's family, he was the first one that didn't 0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:12.400 marry a black woman. And on my mother's in my 0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:15.360 mother's family, she was the first one that didn't marry 0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:19.160 somebody that was either Latino or white quite frankly, so 0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:23.080 they were you know, so I was a unicorn. And 0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:26.000 on my father's side, they never accepted my mother. They 0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:29.080 didn't really like it, and because he was like, you know, 0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:31.280 cream of the crop and why he had to marry her. 0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:34.120 And I think that happens with some southern families and 0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:37.280 it's understandable giving our history. And on my mother's side 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:41.640 of the family they accepted him, but it was more 0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:48.000 like for me, I was always negrita, negrita, negrita. Even 0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:51.360 in Puerto Rico negrita and Spanish people will tell you 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.760 that that's a term of endearment, but I don't think it. 0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:04.840 Is just niggles on it. 0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:06.640 So it sounds like a little bit about the eye. 0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.840 That's what it sounds like to me. And it always 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:11.520 felt like that. And they were like, it's a term 0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:14.800 of endearment. I'm like, but it's raise based, it's color base. 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:17.080 I don't like it. And I would say all the time, 0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:20.760 don't call me that, you know, but they but they would. 0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:24.920 Ever stop when you said no, not when I was 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:25.240 a kid. 0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:28.600 They don't dare now, but you know, no when I 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.880 was a kid. No, It's like that's a term of endearment. 0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:32.400 Just take it, just take it. And then you still 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:36.280 hear it in the Latino community, you know. And then 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:38.400 on my father's side, it was always like, you know, 0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.960 they hated my mom or didn't like my mom, hate 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.320 his strong work. But it was like, you know, most 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.400 little girl, the pretty little girl, pretty light skinned girl, 0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:50.920 the girl with the good hair. And it's like, so 0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:56.160 you don't like the marriage, but you are exalting the product. 0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:57.600 Of the marriage, product of it, right. 0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:00.719 That doesn't make any sense. So it was it was 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.640 sort of I was. I grappled with that my whole life. 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:06.720 I didn't I didn't quite understand it. And even today 0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:10.240 I write in the book about I was with Anna Navarro, 0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:15.160 Donald Lemon, I was with Anna Navarro, I was with 0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:20.280 Don Lemon, Candy Carter, and I think just yeah, we 0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:22.680 were eating lunch to get Candy used to be she's 0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:25.080 now the executive producer at Tamman Show, but she was 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.560 my executive producer at the View and Candy's African American. 0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:31.880 Y'all know Anna Navarro, and y'all know Don. 0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:35.320 Because he's been lately, he's been. He didn't turn into 0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:36.640 Don Lemon Pepper as of late. 0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:43.360 It's real black now. I'm always gooping on him. I 0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:45.560 think he had a transformation in Ferguson when we were 0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:49.520 there and he got killed up. We were both there, 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:52.240 but he uh, you know, we were talking and Anna 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.760 was like, my real name is Asuncion, and Anne was 0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:58.920 kind of like, you know, I I thought you was Spanish. 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:03.400 I was really and and she only seemed to figure 0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:05.720 it out when j Lo's mom and I would talk 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:07.800 speaking in Spanish and. 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:10.120 I should know that your viewers we have we observed 0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:11.480 that as well. I'm glad. 0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:15.839 I was like, how how would you not know that 0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:17.919 you were with me at CNN? I mean, I've done 0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:22.160 hits for CNN Espanion. I don't I don't understand that. 0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:24.960 And I think for her it was more like because 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:29.239 I was always so vocal about the black community and Trayvon, 0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:34.080 and she kind of thought, well, she's just black. Like 0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:38.880 she couldn't be anything else. And then so we kind 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.680 of got over that, and she said, but I apologize 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.760 to you because I don't know. I just I didn't 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:48.440 see you as a multi dimensional person. And then Candy 0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:50.680 said the same thing. Candy was like, well, I owe 0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.560 you an apology too, because she told me one day. 0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.200 I kept on wondering why when we were booking shows 0:34:56.239 --> 0:35:01.879 like MLK shows and you know, other other shows, they 0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.799 never asked me for my connects. I was like, why 0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:06.799 don't the book has come to me? I mean, I 0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.920 know a lot of black people. I was like, y'all 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.680 can't find anybody. Why don't you come to me? Let 0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.960 me open up my rolodex. And she kind of mentioned 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:17.239 to me one day she was like, well, you're not 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:20.919 really black. I was like, so, Whoopy's the only black 0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:23.399 person on the set? I was. It was just very 0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.680 surprising to me. And her opinion was she saw me 0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:31.440 as more Latina. And so you have these two women, 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:37.239 one's black, one's Latina, I'm both and they are sort 0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:41.160 of erasing me from both community, from both sides, from 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.480 both sides. And then Don Lemon, Donna and I've been 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.799 friends in a really long time, probably maybe twenty years 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:48.759 or so, and he's just he was like, welcome to 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:52.320 Sonny's world, because I mean that's you know, he's dealt 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.880 with his own issues, I think, being a black man 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:59.359 from the South and a gay man, so he's traversing 0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:04.040 very worlds and his fiance is white, so he certainly 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:07.920 has to deal with a lot of different different issues. 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:12.240 Well, once again, how exhausting is it? 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:14.000 Very exhausting? 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.000 So what are family gatherings like now for you? 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:23.480 Because my dad make it out in the kitchen. 0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:25.520 No, no, no, I just mean of it. 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:30.160 You know, there's a point where if a light shines 0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:32.880 with you, or if there's a success in your life, 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:38.120 then you'll see a lot of people's tunes start to change. 0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:41.719 And I guess maybe I've just started to come to 0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:48.279 grips with how to even deal with that. I mean no, 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:52.000 I was always like a family black sheep. And then 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:56.640 once you once you make it, then it's like because 0:36:56.680 --> 0:37:00.120 of the mirror jay Z's comeing to do. 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:02.960 To get those calls. 0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:08.680 I was going to say, like with those do you 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:12.600 attend you know, family reunions and those things. 0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:16.480 Or yeah, I didn't for a while. I didn't for 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:22.239 a while, and then my my father's mother passed and 0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:27.280 I saw everyone for the first time at her funeral 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:31.719 in a long time, and I missed them very, very, 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:38.359 very much. When my mother's mother passed, you know, unfortunately 0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:41.040 we get together with weddings and funerals a lot of families, 0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:45.319 And when my mother's mother passed, I realized how far 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:49.840 apart I had sort of become from, you know, both 0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:51.960 sides of my family, just in terms of trying to 0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.360 work hard and like you said, kind of be in 0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:58.399 the black sheet, you know the other I think it's 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:02.239 brought us closer now. I think their passing has brought 0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:05.319 us closer because now more than ever, I think we 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.120 need our families. I think we need our support systems. 0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:11.719 And when you are the one that makes it, I 0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:17.840 feel a certain sense of responsibility to help the others 0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.840 in my family that just haven't been able to do 0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:23.359 as well. You know, I got cousins in prison, I've 0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:27.120 got you know, other cousins that just can't afford to 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:29.840 put their kids through school. And so I've stepped in 0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:33.640 the gap in the in those places because I just 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:36.640 I think when one of us makes it, we can 0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:41.279 really make a change. For our families. So I have 0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:44.160 done that. I've taken it upon myself to make sure 0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:45.719 that that I do that. 0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:49.440 So how exhausting is that because as a black person, 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.239 that's the other side of it, to be one the 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:53.359 one who made it? 0:38:53.440 --> 0:39:01.840 Like a lot of people, What is your relationship with 0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:06.959 the word no? And I'm not asking as the host 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:08.640 of this podcast, I'm I. 0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:15.560 Need this woman, you know I am. I am not 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:21.759 great at it. I've become better at no. I'm certainly 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:26.520 good at know when I think that it isn't good 0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:29.880 for the person asking. You know, I'm not going to 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.600 help you if if it's going to help you destroy yourself. 0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:36.399 You need you need money for your next fix, You're 0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:39.560 not going to get it for me. But I do 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:43.320 have trouble saying no when I know I really shouldn't 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:46.239 pile one more thing on my plate. I try to 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.880 make the time and self care I think is really important, 0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:53.640 and I don't, I know, realize that I don't spend 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:57.279 enough time doing that because you know, if mommy unravels 0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:04.520 or wife, everything unravels, the whole falls apart. 0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:07.960 And I started sat there, what is your self care things, Sonny? 0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:10.480 Because you do your fighting fights all day. You're a 0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:12.400 whole and a whole mom, and then. 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:19.120 You and then you fight my chickens. I got fifteen. 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:27.360 I started a place that once had seven. Yeah, and 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:29.960 then raccoons I didn't. 0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:34.520 Know how like vile foxes and raccoons like they've done. 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:37.600 They go, they they come right underneath. They even have 0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:40.200 things called chicken moles that just they just like to 0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:43.480 eat chicken and like you know, attack chickens. Well we have, 0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.880 we've we lost a few at first. And then my 0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:50.480 husband he's really handy and can fix anything. He put 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:55.160 like the steel gauge mesh underneath the coop, underneath the 0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:58.800 chicken run and so we were good for a while. 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.839 And then we decided they free range because we look, 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:04.960 we live outside the city. Uh, we were letting the 0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:07.000 free range. And then we had a hawk attack. We 0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:12.040 had a hawk incident. Chickens, chickens were flying everywhere. I 0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:12.799 couldn't believe it. 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:18.040 I was, that's everywhere now, ridiculousness. 0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:22.040 Yeah, man, chickens got chickens, got them coming from above, 0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:23.759 from underneath the side. 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:29.040 From where they say hawks are supposed to be hunt. 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:33.960 They supposedly hunt, and uh, that solitary hunters. But there 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:38.200 were there was more than one hawk. My vet said, 0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:41.480 it's possible that there was like a mother hawk teaching 0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:48.000 a baby hawk. But anyway, no, I mean, but I'm 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:48.960 in west Chester County. 0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:51.560 That's by you, right A mirror? Is that you. 0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:54.920 Too out here. 0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:57.320 Too? Yeah? 0:41:57.680 --> 0:41:59.920 Can I just say, speaking of hawks, Sonny, I want 0:41:59.920 --> 0:42:03.360 to you to share with the guys your initial list 0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:04.440 for a mate. 0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:05.640 Yes. 0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:09.799 Uh, And I know that because Sonny hawked down. She 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:15.080 howked down on her husband. Manny, I know that Bill 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:16.879 and you will find this fast. 0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:19.799 I did. I did. I found him in church. I 0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:21.080 say we met in church. 0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:23.960 He said, we didn't meet in church? 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:25.360 You did meet him? 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.520 You didn't meet in church? No? 0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:29.320 You No, you saw him in church. 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:30.680 Met there. 0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:32.839 Okay, what are you saying? 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:34.680 Our souls met there? 0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:38.120 You see what I'm saying. 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:45.239 Well, well, what happened. What happened was that my mother 0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:47.319 said that my problem was that I didn't go to 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.480 church enough. That's why I couldn't meet any good men. 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:51.239 Because I was a serial dater. I was. I was 0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:54.399 dating a lot of athletes and musicians and stuff like that. 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:58.359 I won't tell you, so I won't tell you which one, 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:02.560 but here goes my husband peeking, poking in his head. 0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:07.640 Hey church, did meet a church? 0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:16.359 He just said, that's right, sweetheart, marriage man, Okay, okay. 0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:19.880 He knows. So I decided I was training for a marathon, 0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:23.520 and I was in my sweats, like you know, training outfit, 0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:26.279 and I ran into a church just to kind of 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:28.720 just jones on my mother, just to you know, goofin 0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:30.759 her and call her back and say, yeah, I met 0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:33.160 the priest in the church. And I sat in the 0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:36.560 back and these two fine men walk in, and I 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:40.040 was like, oh, nice looking men in the church. And 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:43.000 my husband goes to church every Sunday, but he goes 0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:44.960 to church in a suit, and so he had a 0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:47.520 suit on. And it turns out that the church was 0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:50.000 across the street from Johns Hopkins University, where he was 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.439 in medical school. But I didn't I didn't know that, 0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:55.080 you know, because I was kind of new in town Baltimore. 0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:58.640 And uh. I did stay at the church and I went, 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:02.320 you know, listen to everything, and then I follow him 0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:06.279 outside of the church. Of course, does she. 0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:12.160 Meet him yet meet him? She's still in the stalking process. 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:15.560 No, I met him in the church. So then I 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:18.720 U after we met in the church. Then I followed 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:23.000 him to the bagel shop and I approached him and uh, 0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:25.680 I said, Hi, I'm new in town. And I said, 0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:28.440 wasn't that she wasn't this a sermons? The homily so 0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:30.960 beautiful in the church, And he was like, you were 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:33.640 in the church? I said I was, But he just 0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:35.680 kept on looking at me because I had a ridiculous 0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.560 outfit on. I mean I had I was sweaty, I mean, 0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:41.560 I look crazy. But I was in the church, and 0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:44.240 he was a little bit dismissive. But he had everything 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:47.520 I wanted because I always wanted a man of faith. 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:51.400 I found out at the bagel shop that he was 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:54.279 in medical school, so he had something he wanted to do. 0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:55.880 You know, he was he was on a track of 0:44:57.040 --> 0:45:00.600 having a career. I wanted someone to smoke, spoke more 0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:03.520 than one language that was important to me. Found out 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:06.160 that he was born in Spain. His mother's from Spain, 0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:08.920 his father is from Haiti, so he spoke Spanish. Spanish 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:13.640 was his first language. Then check, then so I got 0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:16.160 three checks. Now, then I said, well where are you from? 0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:17.960 Because I was like, you know, maybe he's from a 0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:20.560 corny place and maybe he won't have like a vibe. 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:22.960 He was like, I'm you know, I was born in Spain, 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:24.719 but then we moved to New York. So I was 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:29.799 like check check shack, you. 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.160 Know, the same day. 0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:36.400 I mean, it's so good. Then he said, uh. We 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:38.440 started talking about where he was, you know, went to 0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:41.279 school where. Then he pledged, he was like, yeah, I'm 0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:44.000 a member of Camp Alphas. I was like, I was like, 0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:49.279 oh Jesus. I was like, it's just so good. And 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:53.319 I did well, We'll say I. I always said that 0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:57.640 my husband had to be over six feet tall because 0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:02.439 I'm not short. Uh he he. He did not meet 0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:07.560 that that that one qualification, but I didn't really notice 0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.040 it then because I was all I saw was shininess 0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:12.160 because he's very good looking in the face, and he 0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:15.600 walks real tall and he's real muscular. I really didn't 0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:20.080 notice the height until later, so I had to give 0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:28.799 that up. I'm right, I'm taller than him if I 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:30.080 have heels on, yes, I am. 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:32.560 Mh one to know, Sonny. 0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:37.520 Sorry, I've never noticed. I never noticed. But I called 0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:39.360 my friend and I was like, I met my husband. 0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:41.080 He don't know it yet, and she was like, oh, 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:43.879 so he must do this. He speaks Spanish, he's from 0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:46.680 New York. He's this and he's what is he six four? 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:50.759 I was like, you're like you in the face. 0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:53.239 I was like, he's real good in the face. The 0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:56.880 grill is working. I was like, everything is good. But 0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:00.680 I don't think he's over six feet. But we did 0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:01.400 meet in church. 0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:05.839 It sounds one of those Rudy Bud This is one 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.240 of those Rudy Bud moments. 0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:14.600 Yes, of course. 0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:18.040 I guess your entry to where you are now starts 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:19.840 with law school. 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:22.560 Will you can you say that. 0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:26.879 Is it that you're that you're the manifestation of your 0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:32.520 parents uh dream to become that professional? 0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:34.520 Like are you the result of that? 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.440 How did you even get how did you have interest 0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:40.120 in in justice? 0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:43.320 And it was my mother. I actually wanted to be 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.680 a broadcast journalist and my mother freaked out. She was like, 0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:50.319 what is that castle? Castle? And I was like, this 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:53.799 is you know, you put the news on TV. But 0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:57.200 you got to think in the eighties, there weren't you know, 0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:01.360 this wasn't like Oprah. You know, Oprah wasn't who she became. 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:04.960 And I think in New York there was like Carol Jenkins, 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:07.520 but there there just wasn't a lot of representation. I 0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:09.560 mean there still isn't, but there just wasn't a lot 0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:13.520 of representation in media. And she thought that the best 0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:17.920 way to financial security, especially for a woman, law medicine, 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:21.000 law medicine. She became a teacher, and she was like, 0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:23.840 you gotta you need to become a lawyer. She's like, 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:25.600 you like to talk a lot, you like to argue 0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:28.439 a lot. You got all a's that's what you got 0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:31.880 to do. And so I took the LSATs. What was 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:35.920 fascinating was I loved law school, but I would not 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:39.719 have thought of it if not for my mother, because 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:42.280 I did argue all the time, and I felt terrible, 0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:45.440 Like when I saw the inequity, it bothered me. It 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:49.040 bothered me, but I wanted to tell those stories as 0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:54.000 opposed to fighting for it in the courtroom. And I 0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:56.320 think it was certainly my mother because she lived a 0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:58.319 dream deferred because that's what she wanted to do. 0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:02.760 Right Is that just a myth our parents sold us? 0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:08.240 Because now there are I have I have to say 0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:13.000 that outside of the entertainment profession, a. 0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:16.799 Lot of my friends are those. 0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:24.319 Medical students and those law students. Either I played a 0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:27.160 spring fling twenty years ago, like the roots did something 0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:30.680 and then I got to know them professionally whatever, and 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:37.520 none of them seemed to be living. 0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:39.600 Let's talk about it, talk about it. 0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:45.360 Is that a lie that America has taught us? Because 0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:47.920 what's weird is when I last went to. 0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:56.000 Cuba, I'm sorry. 0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:59.839 When Cuba, my connect there told me that parents grew 0:49:59.880 --> 0:50:02.080 in their kids to be in the hospitality. 0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:06.480 Uh. Because when you're a driver, when you're. 0:50:06.360 --> 0:50:09.480 A taxi driver, especially with the way that the economy 0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:14.400 is there, you can. You can you're rich like a 0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:17.720 guy like Cuba and rents a driver for a week 0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:20.160 and that's damn near like a year's worth of pay. 0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:23.720 For doctors, none of the doctors, right, because. 0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:25.760 They get paid the same thing as socialized medicine. 0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:26.239 Right Yeah? 0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:33.040 Yeah, Like is do lawyers kicking the dough as we've 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:34.520 been hold and fed? 0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:38.279 This way, you can make a significant amount of money 0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:40.920 as a lawyer. I know when I first got out 0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:43.080 law school, I went to a law firm, and I 0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:45.880 mean I was making a ton of money. I hated 0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:51.120 working there. I didn't like it what I was practiced. 0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:56.600 I was practicing litigation, medical malpractice, insurance defense, and so 0:50:56.680 --> 0:51:00.520 you it wasn't necessarily boring, but you're basic. We sold 0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:04.320 to the highest bidder, right, so you've got these corporations 0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:08.000 that can pay you to defend their their maldeeds, their 0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:11.799 their misdeeds. And I just felt like I didn't go 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:14.759 to law school and do as well as I did 0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:19.880 to defend this. I just I didn't feel good. It 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:22.880 didn't It didn't feel right. But you can't. You can't 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:26.640 do quite well. And I think we we have been 0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:29.600 and you know, medical doctors they don't do as well 0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:33.680 as they used to do because of insurance companies. But 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:37.879 it's it was a it's sort of a solid living, right, 0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:43.520 It's like a safe it's a safe job. It's a 0:51:43.560 --> 0:51:46.360 safe job. And I mean, my husband's a surgeon, he 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:49.320 loves it. But both of his parents and doctors as well. 0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:53.120 Sister's a doctor. You know, it's sort of the family 0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:56.640 business in a sense. But his parents are immigrants, and 0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.320 that was the dream, you know, you got you become 0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:02.160 a doctor. You're gonna and go to America. You're going 0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:05.480 to do really well. And they did. But I think 0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:07.880 I don't think that as people of color, we had 0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:11.279 we had the My parents at least felt as people 0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:16.560 of color, we didn't have the ability to dream like that, Like, 0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:20.160 you're going to try to do what after we've struggled 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:25.480 and skimped and you know, saved to put you through school, 0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:27.760 that's what you're gonna do? You want to be on TV? 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:31.120 It just it made no sense to them that that 0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:33.919 that's like a recipe for failure. You could fail doing that, 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:37.640 but if you go to law school and do well, 0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:40.320 you can get a job. It's like punching a ticket. 0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:44.680 It seems that's the safe way to do it. 0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:46.040 Sounds like somebody. 0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:46.080 I know. 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:50.719 But in a remix though, Now, Sonny, it's funny. I 0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:51.040 was listening. 0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:53.200 I was talking to a girlfriend who whose son is 0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:55.719 in college, and she was kind of a conversation with 0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:59.080 him about how we were Traditionally we are told to 0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:02.120 go to college, and these kids these days are like, no, 0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:03.840 wait a minute, I don't necessarily have to go to 0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:06.160 college because I can. I learned how to code to 0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:08.520 do this, I can do this. So do you feel 0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:12.240 like at the same youtub yeah, we're all being now it's. 0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:14.120 Another era of reprogramming, right. 0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:16.920 It definitely is another error. I mean, you know, I'm 0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:25.279 raising these these generations z kids seventeen and fourteen, about 0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:29.680 same age as nineteen. Right there. You know, they are 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:33.960 different because they have so much information at their fingertips. 0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:37.839 They're not looking through encyclopedias. And I feel it's double 0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:41.400 edged sword because my son, who's very bright, will like 0:53:41.520 --> 0:53:44.279 say something and I'm like, where did you get that? 0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:46.960 And he thinks like he he thinks he can. He 0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:50.000 knows more about, you know, an orthopedic injury than his 0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:53.279 father because he googles something, you know what I mean, 0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:55.200 Like he knows a little better than I do because 0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:59.360 he googles something. So they have they have this cavalier 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:03.040 attitude I think sometimes for its information. But I do 0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:07.000 think that they realized that the world is pretty broad, 0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:09.440 and you know that they can there are a lot 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:13.640 of opportunities for them. He even mentioned at one point, 0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:16.680 you know, not everybody needs to go to college. But 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.440 I will tell you my reaction was, you need to 0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:25.319 go to college, because I still think that if you can, 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:28.640 and not everyone can because it's too it's overpriced and 0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:31.240 it's not accessible to everyone. And I don't think everyone 0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:33.600 was meant to go to school, you know, to go 0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:36.399 to college. You don't necessarily need it, But I think 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:39.879 if you can, it's education can still be an equalizer. 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:43.120 I do believe that it can still be an equalizer. 0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:45.560 At least it was for me, and it can provide 0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:49.680 tremendous opportunity. And a lot of it is socialization, the 0:54:49.719 --> 0:54:51.200 people that you meet there. 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:52.000 That's the big part. 0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:53.680 It really is a network. 0:54:54.520 --> 0:54:57.600 But now even that's being redefined that now that everyone 0:54:57.680 --> 0:55:01.320 is doing we're all doing it from home now. So, yes, 0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:04.680 what is college in twenty twenty twenty one? You know 0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:06.319 what I mean, It's a different thing. 0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:08.600 It's a different thing. Well, I'll tell you. My son 0:55:08.640 --> 0:55:11.120 decided to take a gap year instead of starting college 0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:14.319 because he was, like my husband was dancing up and 0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:15.839 jumping up and down because he didn't want to pay 0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:20.279 the money anyway. But it's like for virtual and for us, 0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:23.719 you know, I thought, well, why should he go to 0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:27.400 a college and sit in a dorm room and you 0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:30.839 know not and be alone in the dorm room and 0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:33.360 then all the classes were going to be virtual and 0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:35.359 he was going to eat in his dorm room. There 0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:38.560 was really not the real college experience. So he decided 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:40.800 to take a gap year because of I think. 0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:43.600 Is everybody's gap year. This is all of us is. 0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:46.200 Did y'all see that episode of black Ish that's like 0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:48.520 a whole thing for black people now, even though we're 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:48.880 doing that. 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:52.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the gap year. 0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:52.520 Yeah. 0:55:52.520 --> 0:55:54.200 When he first mentioned it to us, we were like, 0:55:54.239 --> 0:56:00.840 you are nominally Obama, that's what you're not going to do. Yeah, 0:56:00.920 --> 0:56:03.480 I was a little I was a little uncomfortable with it, 0:56:03.560 --> 0:56:05.680 but it made sense after a while. 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:07.000 It's like high school extended. 0:56:07.080 --> 0:56:09.759 But also think I think that I think gen Z 0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:13.240 is also the first generation that you know, my parents 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:18.880 were definitely the product of you know, safety and security and. 0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:22.439 Getting a good job and da da da da fall 0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:24.160 back on that sort of exactly. 0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:29.560 I think that gen z on will go with their 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:33.799 first instincts, their first passions, and yes, roll with it, 0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:35.160 because yeah, you and I. 0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:36.680 Basically like the same thing. 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:40.040 Like my dad had plans for me to do something 0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:43.719 way different, and you know, I had to hide for 0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:46.640 a long time that I was in a rap group 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:47.640 and all this other stuff. 0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:52.000 No about it, They about it. They've been gen Z. 0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:56.239 They've been watching they've been watching police snuff videos since 0:56:56.280 --> 0:56:57.799 they was twelve, so you know what I mean. 0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:02.200 They you know, I mean it. Yeah, they told me. 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:03.759 Wait, so let me ask you all a question on 0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:06.800 the sense of that, because since they're reprogramming, reprogramming the 0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:09.040 whole way we're supposed to think now, even on the 0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:12.680 subject of like race and sex. I was gonna ask Sonny, 0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:15.320 how you feel about that, because it's interesting. I was 0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:17.240 just I was watching I don't know, if y'all watch 0:57:17.280 --> 0:57:19.480 this show, I may destroy you or whatever it's said. 0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:22.120 I'm waiting for it to finish. I was gonna just 0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:22.919 take them all day. 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:24.720 Okay, Well, there's just an episode. 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:27.560 It's just interesting the way that they're redefining uh, sex, 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:30.240 sexual assault, things of these nature. And they were talking 0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:32.520 and it was an episode where the girl was having 0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:36.080 sex with someone willingly and he took the condom off, right, 0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:41.000 and so she was like, you assaulted me right now 0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:44.080 rewind ten fifteen years ago, we would just be like 0:57:44.120 --> 0:57:46.919 that motherfucker is an asshole, fuck you, right, But now 0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:51.000 these kids are like, no, that's assault, and it's just 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:54.960 everything is different, like this language from sex, race, everything 0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:57.720 is just do you find yourself since you're on TV 0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:00.240 every day playing this catchup game of. 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:06.280 Trying to absolutely absolutely how do you think. You know, 0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:08.960 I try to remain enlightened. You know, I'm trying. I'm 0:58:08.960 --> 0:58:11.600 trying to plug in all the time and get the 0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:16.840 information and make sure that that I'm growing along with 0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:21.120 with every movement. I will say, you know, I think 0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:25.680 it's really difficult to parent during these times because you know, 0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:31.440 it's it's your it's your worst nightmare. That yeah, you know, 0:58:32.560 --> 0:58:34.920 some of you know, your your your child's accused of 0:58:34.920 --> 0:58:39.720 assaults or your child is assaulted or not understanding you know, 0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:45.720 the new societal norms. I spend a lot of time 0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:52.600 talking about consent, talking about what assault is, talking about respect, 0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:56.240 talking about you know, they go to very progressive school though, 0:58:56.320 --> 0:58:59.959 so the school covers a lot of those issues, which 0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:02.600 which is good. But I spent a lot of time 0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:06.520 trying to be informed and try to and making sure 0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:10.000 that they are informed because I think people are very 0:59:11.240 --> 0:59:15.840 awake to their rights, which is a good thing and 0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:21.400 to be ever changing. You know, we got into an 0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:23.600 argument like this on the show, but like what is PC. 0:59:24.040 --> 0:59:27.960 I'm like, you know, in my view, you know, people 0:59:28.080 --> 0:59:31.040 used to be able to say whatever they wanted to 0:59:31.240 --> 0:59:33.800 other people, and now people are like, nah, I don't 0:59:33.840 --> 0:59:37.040 say that to me, and I think respect is at 0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:40.520 the core of so many things, and I've been making 0:59:40.560 --> 0:59:46.640 sure that my kids really fundamentally understand other people's rights 0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:51.520 and respect that, because that's where I think we're just missing. 0:59:51.720 --> 0:59:55.560 We're losing a lot in terms of our respect for 0:59:55.640 --> 0:59:57.560 each other. And we know it comes from the top. 0:59:57.680 --> 1:00:02.080 We know what we're seeing lately, but that's a fundamental problem. 1:00:03.080 --> 1:00:05.120 If I heard correctly, you said that your kids are 1:00:05.240 --> 1:00:09.360 seventeen and fourteen. Yeah, yeah, it might be the norm 1:00:09.440 --> 1:00:11.600 right now, but if you can go back to like 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:17.960 twenty and sixteen, November of twenty sixteen, how did you 1:00:18.560 --> 1:00:21.960 explain to them suddenly what was happening? 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:29.040 Like I can't even imagine viewing the world, especially coming 1:00:29.040 --> 1:00:32.120 from where they came where they were, Yeah, a formative 1:00:32.120 --> 1:00:32.840 age coming. 1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:33.880 Up in the Obama years. 1:00:34.440 --> 1:00:34.760 Yeah. 1:00:35.320 --> 1:00:37.640 In no way am I ever saying that that was 1:00:37.840 --> 1:00:42.160 a rosy time either. But it seemed like a more 1:00:42.200 --> 1:00:44.320 manageable time, and it seemed like we were headed in 1:00:44.360 --> 1:00:45.080 the right direction. 1:00:46.280 --> 1:00:48.880 Yeah, And I mean it's what was wonderful, wasn't it 1:00:48.880 --> 1:00:52.160 That I felt it was wonderful that my children had 1:00:52.480 --> 1:00:57.000 for their first for their cognitive years, they saw black president, right. 1:00:57.040 --> 1:00:58.600 I thought it was wonderful. 1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:01.120 You know, how do you expel life to them now 1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:07.200 that the rugs seemingly been pulled from underneath them, or 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:12.000 even not even twenty sixteen, like the idea of the riots. 1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:15.160 And how do you how do you explain that to them? 1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:21.120 Well, my children, probably because of their mommy, are are 1:01:21.240 --> 1:01:27.240 very are social activists and their advocates. You know, my 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:29.600 son was involved in a sit in at a school 1:01:29.640 --> 1:01:33.800 a couple of years ago. They're very well read. In fact, 1:01:33.840 --> 1:01:36.040 it was part of his It got so much press 1:01:36.080 --> 1:01:38.040 that it had to become part of his college essay, 1:01:38.080 --> 1:01:41.360 and when he was interviewed, almost every college interview brought 1:01:41.480 --> 1:01:44.360 brought it up and brought up this question, you know, 1:01:44.480 --> 1:01:46.560 like what made you want to become an activist? And 1:01:47.200 --> 1:01:51.400 his answer really was that he felt that there was 1:01:51.840 --> 1:01:54.120 a backlash to the fact that there was a black president. 1:01:54.640 --> 1:02:01.560 And my kids were very very noticeably shape by the 1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:06.840 back what they perceived as a backlash. And my daughter, 1:02:06.960 --> 1:02:11.479 who she's only fourteen, but she said she feels that 1:02:11.720 --> 1:02:14.720 this sort of you know, there's like a pendulum that swings, 1:02:15.320 --> 1:02:17.640 and that there were people in our country that felt 1:02:17.880 --> 1:02:21.600 that Obama being president for eight years, took the pendulum 1:02:21.640 --> 1:02:26.560 too far, and they wanted to bring it all the 1:02:26.600 --> 1:02:29.520 way back. And that was a really interesting perspective that 1:02:29.560 --> 1:02:32.439 I hadn't even thought of that way, that that's why 1:02:32.480 --> 1:02:36.800 we're seeing these extremes, because they thought that that was 1:02:36.920 --> 1:02:41.280 that extreme. So I will say, I don't even know 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:44.520 that I had to reconcile it for them. I think 1:02:44.600 --> 1:02:48.600 because they have so much information and they're so interested 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:52.000 in the information, at least my children, they formulated their 1:02:52.080 --> 1:02:57.840 own opinions early, very early. I remember in November twenty sixteen, 1:02:58.360 --> 1:03:03.760 I was bereft, was very upset, and you know, they 1:03:03.760 --> 1:03:06.600 were like, how could this happen? He's such a joke, 1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:10.440 he said horrible things. Who would vote for him? There 1:03:10.440 --> 1:03:12.920 were things like that. You know, they were like, but 1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:15.960 he didn't. He didn't really win. Like they were trying 1:03:15.960 --> 1:03:20.360 to really make sense of the process. Even then, even 1:03:20.400 --> 1:03:26.880 in twenty sixteen, Well. 1:03:26.760 --> 1:03:29.280 It should be noted that you at least had your 1:03:29.320 --> 1:03:35.280 parents cake and you ate it too. By stepping into 1:03:36.960 --> 1:03:41.480 the television journalism world, starting with Core TV and. 1:03:44.200 --> 1:03:44.880 Ley Factor. 1:03:45.600 --> 1:03:50.720 Oh yeah, like okay, so what was factor that you 1:03:50.720 --> 1:03:51.680 should take this to. 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:56.240 A higher level and kind of get to. 1:03:56.200 --> 1:03:58.320 Your dreams, Like, what was the what was that moment 1:03:58.360 --> 1:04:01.920 where you were where I obviously you were like, you know, well, 1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:03.480 I am going to pursue the journalism. 1:04:03.560 --> 1:04:04.480 Man, Yeah. 1:04:05.760 --> 1:04:07.080 It was. 1:04:08.120 --> 1:04:10.680 And I write in the book that I always know 1:04:10.760 --> 1:04:12.640 when I'm in the right place, when it feels like home, 1:04:12.800 --> 1:04:15.480 when it feels right, when I'm comfortable, it feels good. 1:04:16.440 --> 1:04:19.680 The law firms didn't feel good, The Justice Department felt good. 1:04:19.840 --> 1:04:22.720 It felt like I was doing the good work, making 1:04:22.760 --> 1:04:27.160 good trouble. But then after I had my first child, 1:04:27.480 --> 1:04:29.439 I was really blowing in the wind, and I went 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:32.240 back and went to another law firm making a lot 1:04:32.240 --> 1:04:34.800 of money, which was stupid to go back to a 1:04:34.880 --> 1:04:37.560 place I knew I wouldn't feel like home, and I 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:40.160 was searching. But in the back of my mind, I 1:04:40.200 --> 1:04:43.000 have to tell you, I knew that I needed to 1:04:43.880 --> 1:04:49.480 follow my passion. And I went to a meeting of 1:04:49.600 --> 1:04:53.720 lawyers and had the good fortune of meeting a television 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:56.720 producer there from Court TV, who said, you've got to 1:04:57.680 --> 1:05:00.240 you know, you should be on television. And I took 1:05:00.280 --> 1:05:02.440 that opportunity and I seized it, and I really never 1:05:02.520 --> 1:05:04.280 let it go. I just I just never let it go, 1:05:04.320 --> 1:05:06.480 and I just kept on doing it, and I kind 1:05:06.480 --> 1:05:09.360 of got discovered that way, which is unusual, right. You know, 1:05:09.400 --> 1:05:11.400 you meet you meet a television producer, and you're on 1:05:11.440 --> 1:05:13.840 TV the next week, and then it never it never 1:05:13.920 --> 1:05:16.880 goes away. And I feel like that's because it was 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:18.760 my true calling and it was something that I was 1:05:18.760 --> 1:05:23.200 supposed to do. But I also had the benefit of 1:05:23.280 --> 1:05:26.560 being married to an orthopedic surgeon who could pay the 1:05:26.560 --> 1:05:29.600 bills and who could hold it down, hold it down 1:05:29.680 --> 1:05:32.840 for me, and who was willing to do that because 1:05:32.880 --> 1:05:34.760 he basically had a talk and I was like, I 1:05:34.760 --> 1:05:37.360 think I'm leaving this law firm and this has been 1:05:37.400 --> 1:05:39.120 a dream of mine and I want to do it. 1:05:39.600 --> 1:05:42.520 And he basically said, all right, let's talk tonight. Got home, 1:05:42.760 --> 1:05:46.120 pulled up budgets and pulled up savings accounts, and he 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:48.560 was like okay. And he had just started his own practice, 1:05:48.640 --> 1:05:49.880 and he was like, well, you know, and we had 1:05:49.920 --> 1:05:52.520 just bought a house and we just had a baby, 1:05:52.680 --> 1:05:54.920 two babies at that point, and he said, I can 1:05:54.960 --> 1:05:57.320 hold it down for about three years. You think you could, 1:05:57.480 --> 1:05:59.120 You think you could make it in three years? You 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:02.920 have to make what you now three years and I said, yeah, 1:06:02.960 --> 1:06:06.360 I think I can. I said, then do it all right? Communication, 1:06:06.520 --> 1:06:13.560 that's significant, right, that's significant. Now, I don't know that 1:06:13.600 --> 1:06:16.560 a lot of people with you know, so he may 1:06:16.560 --> 1:06:17.040 have been. 1:06:17.360 --> 1:06:19.360 He may have been short, but he wasn't short on 1:06:19.440 --> 1:06:24.240 cash and the. 1:06:24.160 --> 1:06:26.680 Moral to this story and. 1:06:26.680 --> 1:06:29.160 To the baby journalists out there too, Sonny, not to 1:06:29.160 --> 1:06:30.880 say that you were also like still doing the work, 1:06:30.920 --> 1:06:33.200 like you were going to NABJ. You was doing some 1:06:33.240 --> 1:06:34.919 of the stuff that to say, all these other baby 1:06:35.000 --> 1:06:36.000 journalists are doing too. 1:06:36.320 --> 1:06:38.800 Yes, you gotta do it, you gotta do it. And 1:06:38.840 --> 1:06:41.080 I continue to do it. I continue to go to 1:06:40.480 --> 1:06:44.640 an I go to n h n h J I do. 1:06:44.880 --> 1:06:47.400 I continue to go to the I go to local meetings. 1:06:47.720 --> 1:06:51.000 I go. You got you have to you have to 1:06:51.040 --> 1:06:52.680 do it. You have to do the work, you know. 1:06:52.800 --> 1:06:55.560 I I text people what do you think about this? 1:06:55.680 --> 1:06:57.600 What do you think about that? You know? I mean, 1:06:57.600 --> 1:07:00.360 now I have it just a wonderful circle of of 1:07:00.920 --> 1:07:04.880 you know, other sister girl journalists who you know, we're 1:07:05.080 --> 1:07:07.640 we're actually on this text chain and we go back 1:07:07.680 --> 1:07:12.040 and put political journalists as well. We go back and forth. 1:07:12.120 --> 1:07:13.880 You know, can you review this from me? What do 1:07:13.920 --> 1:07:16.120 you think about this position. What do you think about that? 1:07:16.280 --> 1:07:18.760 And it's uh, you know, Joy Read has been. 1:07:19.120 --> 1:07:20.800 I was just about to ask you how was that? 1:07:21.760 --> 1:07:24.160 I was about to say, how was that Zoom party? 1:07:24.200 --> 1:07:28.080 First week she broke them records? I just oh my god. 1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:31.680 And then had a good time the first show that 1:07:31.720 --> 1:07:34.160 she did with all the black mayors, I was like, oh, 1:07:34.240 --> 1:07:36.040 they couldn't wait to do her episode. 1:07:36.080 --> 1:07:37.600 They was like, girl, what you need us. 1:07:37.480 --> 1:07:40.840 For watching together? It was so amazing. You know, we 1:07:40.960 --> 1:07:44.880 pop champagne with Joy after, you know, And she's been. 1:07:45.040 --> 1:07:47.800 She's been great. She's not only a friend but an inspiration. 1:07:48.080 --> 1:07:51.600 You know, she's doing such amazing things, amazing work. But 1:07:51.640 --> 1:07:54.680 I have that circle that I can still depend on 1:07:54.800 --> 1:07:58.919 and count on. And I say, young journalists, you've got 1:07:58.920 --> 1:08:02.480 to keep that network tight and and help each other. 1:08:04.240 --> 1:08:05.280 It is important. 1:08:06.040 --> 1:08:13.040 Yeah, since you're probably the only person that I know 1:08:13.120 --> 1:08:18.040 of that I'm in conversation with that is any proximity 1:08:19.280 --> 1:08:20.519 towards the Fox building? 1:08:21.760 --> 1:08:25.879 Yeah, I have to ask, all right, in general? 1:08:26.520 --> 1:08:31.480 Is it is there general modus operandi that they believe 1:08:31.640 --> 1:08:36.679 what they're saying or they know better, but will still 1:08:38.479 --> 1:08:43.800 say toxic talking points for the sake of their bottom line, 1:08:44.240 --> 1:08:48.360 which is and specifically you know, I know that you 1:08:48.400 --> 1:08:50.400 were a pundit. I don't even want to paint that 1:08:50.439 --> 1:08:55.519 you were oftentimes you were debating against Yeah, what you know? 1:08:55.880 --> 1:08:58.479 First of all, how do they find do they find 1:08:58.600 --> 1:09:01.679 legitimate people that have yeh, like, how. 1:09:01.520 --> 1:09:03.440 Did how do backgrounds? 1:09:03.720 --> 1:09:03.920 Yeah? 1:09:04.280 --> 1:09:07.920 Yeah, they found they found me on Court TV. They 1:09:08.000 --> 1:09:12.000 saw me on COURTV. Yes, there are some legitimate people. 1:09:12.000 --> 1:09:14.360 I mean, I mean Chris Wallace is there. I actually 1:09:14.360 --> 1:09:17.080 think he's one of the finest journalists out there today. 1:09:17.760 --> 1:09:20.280 I thought Sheef Smith was great as well, and I 1:09:20.320 --> 1:09:22.400 worked with him. I thought he was he was excellent. 1:09:23.000 --> 1:09:25.679 I think it's a mixed bag over there. I think 1:09:25.840 --> 1:09:29.920 there are some people who are saying these irresponsible things 1:09:31.280 --> 1:09:34.280 that aren't as talented as they should be, and they're 1:09:34.320 --> 1:09:39.519 doing it for ratings and for their bottom line. I 1:09:39.560 --> 1:09:43.720 also think there are some that really believe that, that 1:09:43.800 --> 1:09:49.320 are indoctrinated and truly truly believe it. My experience there 1:09:49.600 --> 1:09:51.960 was that you'd walk in the building and there was 1:09:52.000 --> 1:09:55.600 a collective there were collective points that they wanted to 1:09:55.640 --> 1:10:00.800 make that day, collective points like on whiteboards. These are 1:10:00.840 --> 1:10:07.160 the three points and themes that everyone is going to 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:11.280 cover in their shows in various ways. Pundits are going 1:10:11.320 --> 1:10:13.280 to talk to it, guests are going to speak to it, 1:10:13.640 --> 1:10:17.479 the anchors are going to pontificate about it. And they 1:10:17.479 --> 1:10:20.519 were marching orders. That's when Ales was there. Maybe different now, 1:10:20.840 --> 1:10:24.720 but those were the marching orders, and everybody marched to 1:10:24.840 --> 1:10:27.439 those orders. It was it was like sort of a 1:10:27.560 --> 1:10:33.200 monolithic view, and that was Roger Ayles's view, and then 1:10:33.400 --> 1:10:35.840 they would have a couple of people like me, maybe 1:10:35.920 --> 1:10:41.880 Wan Williams to kind of mix it up a little bit. Yeah, 1:10:41.920 --> 1:10:45.759 but by and large, I think it's a mixed bag, 1:10:45.840 --> 1:10:48.720 and that some people just do it for ratings, but 1:10:49.000 --> 1:10:52.280 they all and and if you're doing it, in my opinion, 1:10:52.320 --> 1:10:55.960 for just ratings, you've sold your soul. You know, you're 1:10:56.000 --> 1:10:59.439 just you're just inauthentic, You're you're even worse than the 1:10:59.439 --> 1:11:02.920 people that really believe it, right, And and then there 1:11:02.920 --> 1:11:06.760 are people that I believe, really believe it. I do. 1:11:08.240 --> 1:11:11.880 So knowing the fight and the struggle that we have 1:11:13.560 --> 1:11:19.040 in the next four months and what's working against the 1:11:19.439 --> 1:11:24.760 fight and whatnot, you know, how do you see where journalism, 1:11:25.520 --> 1:11:31.240 be it news sources, be it the blattosphere, be it podcasts, 1:11:31.400 --> 1:11:35.719 be it talk shows, discussion shows, which there are plenty 1:11:35.720 --> 1:11:39.840 of now on television. How do you how do you 1:11:39.960 --> 1:11:43.559 feel as though how effective that they will be? 1:11:45.439 --> 1:11:49.759 Oh, well, very effective. We know that we know Fox 1:11:49.840 --> 1:11:53.519 has been extraordinarily effective, and we know there are other 1:11:53.600 --> 1:11:56.360 programs that are extraordinarily effective. I will say this, I 1:11:56.400 --> 1:12:01.000 think that there's a difference between journalists and punditry, right 1:12:01.080 --> 1:12:06.760 journalism and commentators, journalists and commentators, and it's the line 1:12:06.840 --> 1:12:11.880 is so blurry for people intentionally, so that the media 1:12:12.479 --> 1:12:18.479 and network news and cable news, we all have to 1:12:18.520 --> 1:12:23.920 be very careful, I think, and letting people know that 1:12:25.160 --> 1:12:29.160 this is a piece of commentary, This is an opinion piece, 1:12:29.200 --> 1:12:32.120 This is an op ed as opposed to these are 1:12:32.240 --> 1:12:40.240 the yes, these are the facts. Network Yeah, I'm finding 1:12:40.600 --> 1:12:43.280 you know, by and large. And I was talking to 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:45.559 a couple of my journalist's friends, TJ. Holmes, I don't 1:12:45.560 --> 1:12:48.920 know if you know him, and Robert Roberts and and 1:12:49.000 --> 1:12:53.280 Pierre Thomas. You know, these are journalists and they're really 1:12:53.320 --> 1:12:57.800 concerned about that too. Lindsay Davis, who moderated one of 1:12:57.800 --> 1:13:00.000 the debates, I think she was really our best mind 1:13:00.040 --> 1:13:02.680 operator that we've seen in the debates she had that 1:13:02.720 --> 1:13:07.440 fly white suit. But you know, journalists need to continue 1:13:07.439 --> 1:13:11.240 doing that job, just the facts, man. And I also 1:13:11.320 --> 1:13:15.400 think there is an important space for shows like my show. 1:13:15.439 --> 1:13:18.400 I mean, when I'm not reporting on something, I am 1:13:18.400 --> 1:13:22.360 giving my opinion. The View is an opinion show, and 1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:26.160 we make it clear that these are our opinions. These 1:13:26.160 --> 1:13:29.280 are our views. There's a really important place for that 1:13:29.360 --> 1:13:31.800 to have that lively discussion so that you can hear 1:13:31.840 --> 1:13:34.920 those views but then make your mind up yourself. I 1:13:35.080 --> 1:13:38.200 tried to be very fact based in my arguments on 1:13:38.320 --> 1:13:42.320 the view, not emotion right, because fact trump emotion. No 1:13:42.400 --> 1:13:46.519 pun intended every single time, every single time you come 1:13:46.560 --> 1:13:48.960 at me with your emotional argument, I'm going to tell you, 1:13:48.960 --> 1:13:51.439 but these are the facts. Boom boom boom boom. 1:13:51.479 --> 1:13:53.280 Can tell you the best example. 1:13:53.600 --> 1:13:55.240 I'm sorry, I don't mean, I'm just going to tell 1:13:55.240 --> 1:13:58.200 you the example that that was that conversation between Tip 1:13:58.280 --> 1:13:59.440 I want to say, Tiffany. 1:13:59.080 --> 1:14:03.680 Cross is Tips Gray Cross and Whoopy Goldberg. 1:14:03.600 --> 1:14:06.320 About why we need and I know you've been very 1:14:06.439 --> 1:14:09.879 vocal on their needs black female VP. 1:14:09.960 --> 1:14:13.640 And the not woman of color black. Yeah. 1:14:13.720 --> 1:14:16.120 Yes, because of course MS duck Wader will make a 1:14:16.120 --> 1:14:17.640 great Secretary of Defense. 1:14:17.400 --> 1:14:19.880 And she would excellent, and she would. 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:23.920 But we need a black agenda. We need a reconciliation 1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:27.800 for the black community. You know. One thing that's really 1:14:27.840 --> 1:14:31.240 fascinating to me about this, this discussion of black VP 1:14:31.400 --> 1:14:33.400 and I have been very vocal, I was we were 1:14:33.439 --> 1:14:36.120 the first group to write an op ed in the 1:14:36.200 --> 1:14:40.920 Washington Post about the need for uh. We started that conversation. 1:14:41.080 --> 1:14:44.080 It was I wrote it with Tiffany I wrote it 1:14:44.120 --> 1:14:51.000 with Angela Raie, Amanda Seals, Brittany Packet Cunningham, who's brilliant, 1:14:51.760 --> 1:14:55.439 Latasha Brown, one of the co founders of Black Lives Matter, 1:14:55.880 --> 1:14:59.559 and we got together. We're on a thread talking God, 1:15:00.840 --> 1:15:03.759 we got to make this happen. And we all agreed, 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:07.920 and I reached out to you know, Donald Brazil, minyet more, 1:15:08.000 --> 1:15:11.600 all these people, and we you know, we have a 1:15:11.800 --> 1:15:15.160 we have a Black women think tank, we really do, 1:15:15.439 --> 1:15:18.839 and it was we need He's promised this black Supreme 1:15:18.840 --> 1:15:21.880 Court justice. That's great, but you're not getting the black 1:15:21.880 --> 1:15:26.799 Supreme Court justice unless you have the Senate. Okay, So 1:15:27.120 --> 1:15:33.560 that's that's a lusory promise. What we need is representation 1:15:34.640 --> 1:15:38.559 at the table at the table in the White House, 1:15:39.080 --> 1:15:43.519 and because black women are the backbone of the Democratic Party, 1:15:44.640 --> 1:15:49.439 brought Joe Biden to the barbecue, resurrected his campaign in 1:15:49.520 --> 1:15:56.639 South Carolina. Oh, I've spoken to her as well. We 1:15:57.040 --> 1:16:01.640 deserve that seat at the table. And for people to 1:16:01.840 --> 1:16:05.080 say somehow that it's not about race and it's about 1:16:05.080 --> 1:16:08.000 the most qualified. We've been hearing that argument all the time. 1:16:08.120 --> 1:16:10.680 And the other thing is every single voting block with 1:16:10.880 --> 1:16:16.840 power has a lobby and makes demands before they will 1:16:16.880 --> 1:16:20.800 provide their vote. Right, So you've got the gun lobby, 1:16:20.960 --> 1:16:25.519 you've got the evangelicals, all those boots will say we 1:16:25.640 --> 1:16:28.840 will support you. Maybe not their gun lobby now, but 1:16:29.120 --> 1:16:34.519 we will support you if you give me this. Why 1:16:34.680 --> 1:16:39.000 is it when black women say we will support you. 1:16:39.240 --> 1:16:42.400 We will organize, we will bring our husbands and our children, 1:16:42.479 --> 1:16:45.680 and our sisters and our parents to vote during a 1:16:45.720 --> 1:16:50.120 global pandemic risking our lives. But you must give us 1:16:50.200 --> 1:16:54.080 this representative in the White House. We are somehow asking 1:16:54.120 --> 1:16:57.759 for too much. We're not doing anything else that any 1:16:57.880 --> 1:17:03.280 other voting block with power does. So I just I 1:17:03.320 --> 1:17:08.719 don't understand why there's been such pushback with that demand, 1:17:08.760 --> 1:17:14.760 because it's not a request. It's not a request, it's 1:17:14.760 --> 1:17:18.639 a demand that any other strong voting block makes. And 1:17:19.040 --> 1:17:23.040 now is the time because once he's in the White House, 1:17:23.400 --> 1:17:29.160 I mean the black agenda, what is really the Black agenda? 1:17:29.200 --> 1:17:33.080 And if you've read Joe Biden's agenda, it's okay, it's 1:17:33.120 --> 1:17:36.639 a little squishy, it's not as specific as it should be. 1:17:37.280 --> 1:17:41.200 And you know, he has he's an imperfect candidate, and 1:17:41.240 --> 1:17:43.519 he has a lot to atone for when it comes 1:17:43.600 --> 1:17:45.760 to the treatment of Anita Hill, and it comes to 1:17:45.840 --> 1:17:50.800 the crime bill, and it comes topiration that has a 1:17:50.800 --> 1:17:54.120 lot to atone for. And I think, because you know, 1:17:54.240 --> 1:17:57.040 no other candidate in the past fifty years Democratic candidate 1:17:57.080 --> 1:17:59.599 has one without the Black vote, he needs to win 1:17:59.680 --> 1:18:03.840 overwhelmingly because if not, the current occupant in the White 1:18:03.840 --> 1:18:05.479 House is going to have to be you know, it's 1:18:05.520 --> 1:18:08.400 not going to walk it out. Black people got to 1:18:08.439 --> 1:18:10.800 risk their lives to vote now, got to stand in 1:18:10.840 --> 1:18:13.759 line because of COVID, because of all the attack on 1:18:13.760 --> 1:18:16.639 on on mail and voting. And I don't think people 1:18:16.640 --> 1:18:19.800 are going to be as energized with Tammy dug Worth 1:18:20.240 --> 1:18:21.519 with you. 1:18:21.439 --> 1:18:25.200 Know, I'm concerned. 1:18:25.240 --> 1:18:29.200 I think Vice President and yeah, either in the Senate 1:18:29.400 --> 1:18:31.559 or as Attorney general or. 1:18:31.920 --> 1:18:36.320 You know, you know, I think that Kamala We've seen her. 1:18:36.360 --> 1:18:39.880 She is certainly the prosecutor in chief. I know her. 1:18:40.800 --> 1:18:44.280 I think, you know, California is a lock for Democratic senator. 1:18:44.479 --> 1:18:46.960 I'm not concerned about Kamala being in the Senate. I 1:18:46.960 --> 1:18:50.519 think she can be much more effective as vice president 1:18:50.800 --> 1:18:53.920 and I'd like to see her debate Vice President Pence. 1:18:55.120 --> 1:18:58.720 I think she's a really strong candidate in terms of 1:18:58.800 --> 1:19:04.439 being ready to occupy occupy the oval because not everyone 1:19:04.800 --> 1:19:07.080 you know is Joe Biden is not immortal, and I'm 1:19:07.120 --> 1:19:09.880 not an agist, but he is going to be seventy eight, 1:19:10.680 --> 1:19:13.760 and what he needs to think about is not the 1:19:13.760 --> 1:19:16.559 next four years. He needs to think about the next 1:19:16.560 --> 1:19:19.280 eight and the next twelve because in three and a 1:19:19.320 --> 1:19:22.439 half years, the Trump administration has undone eight years of 1:19:22.439 --> 1:19:25.960 what the Obama administration did or was allowed to do. So, 1:19:26.240 --> 1:19:28.320 you know, you need someone that's able to kind of 1:19:28.360 --> 1:19:32.320 step in and I just don't know that, you know, 1:19:32.840 --> 1:19:35.559 and step in and run because she has run the 1:19:35.680 --> 1:19:40.280 AG's office, you know, she she she has the experience 1:19:40.360 --> 1:19:42.320 to run. Out of all the candidates that I've seen. 1:19:43.439 --> 1:19:46.000 I think she has she has the experience to run 1:19:46.040 --> 1:19:48.760 a country. That's just my take. 1:19:49.439 --> 1:19:58.840 What are your thoughts on Valve Demis. I thought she was. 1:19:55.880 --> 1:19:59.080 I've interviewed val I think she's great. I think if 1:19:59.120 --> 1:20:03.560 you look at How's law enforcement record, it's a little problematic, 1:20:04.800 --> 1:20:06.759 it's a little problem. It can be. 1:20:11.320 --> 1:20:17.599 More than who's yes, yes, yes. 1:20:18.200 --> 1:20:20.280 I mean if you if you look at Kamala's I've 1:20:20.320 --> 1:20:22.840 read Kamala's book, and the thing is, you know, you 1:20:23.200 --> 1:20:29.200 get the black prosecutors get a certain rap talk. Yeah, 1:20:29.400 --> 1:20:33.200 black prosecutors get a certain rap right, because unfortunately, there 1:20:33.280 --> 1:20:36.280 is the problem of mass incarceration. We know that black 1:20:36.320 --> 1:20:40.200 men are twice as likely as white men to get arrested. 1:20:40.680 --> 1:20:43.280 We know about broken window policing, and so that's a 1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:47.719 systemic problem. And when you're prosecutor, you have to enforce 1:20:47.760 --> 1:20:52.400 the law. Laws are changed through legislation. Prosecutors don't get 1:20:52.439 --> 1:20:54.680 to change the law. What you do get to do 1:20:54.760 --> 1:20:58.360 is you get to make you have prosecutorial discussion. So 1:20:59.040 --> 1:21:01.960 you know, when I was a prosper, there were if 1:21:01.960 --> 1:21:05.240 I saw someone, a cop comes to me and he's 1:21:05.240 --> 1:21:08.240 got a confession. But the mugshot shows that the guy 1:21:08.280 --> 1:21:11.879 has two black guys. I'm not taking that case to trial. 1:21:12.760 --> 1:21:17.120 Even if I think, huh, you know, he probably did it. 1:21:17.600 --> 1:21:20.840 If I only have that confession and he's been beaten 1:21:20.920 --> 1:21:24.200 up to get it, I have the discretion to say, 1:21:24.320 --> 1:21:26.960 this is not how you get to police. If you 1:21:27.040 --> 1:21:32.080 look at what Kamala did, she really was instrumental in 1:21:32.200 --> 1:21:35.320 changing the way things were done in California, to her credit, 1:21:35.720 --> 1:21:39.040 working within that system, because sometimes you can't just blow 1:21:39.120 --> 1:21:41.120 up systems, you have to work within it. So I 1:21:41.160 --> 1:21:44.840 often say, you know, the black prosecutor. Prosecutor is the 1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:47.680 person with the most power in the room. People think 1:21:47.720 --> 1:21:49.840 it's the judge. He ain't the judge. People think, oh, 1:21:50.120 --> 1:21:52.879 I got to get a good defense attorney. You need 1:21:53.360 --> 1:21:57.120 a prosecutor on that side of the table in that 1:21:57.200 --> 1:22:00.240 courtroom to make the right charging decisions, to make the 1:22:00.320 --> 1:22:03.800 right recommend you know, sentencing recommendation. That's what you need. 1:22:04.680 --> 1:22:07.120 I will tell you that in my time as a prosecutor, 1:22:08.000 --> 1:22:13.280 I didn't charge people who you know, I put people 1:22:13.320 --> 1:22:16.080 in drug diversion programs. I looked at the whole person. 1:22:16.160 --> 1:22:19.600 Because I'm from those neighborhoods. I know the decisions that 1:22:19.640 --> 1:22:24.760 people make are not just because they're inherently bad. I know, 1:22:25.160 --> 1:22:27.120 you know some of them are born in poverty. I 1:22:27.680 --> 1:22:32.519 know what goes into all of this. So I think 1:22:32.600 --> 1:22:37.599 that However, when you look at val Deming's record, there 1:22:37.640 --> 1:22:41.800 were a lot of problems in her police department, but 1:22:41.920 --> 1:22:45.400 she had the ability to change that and a lot 1:22:45.439 --> 1:22:51.000 of those changes didn't necessarily happen. So I think she's 1:22:51.080 --> 1:22:55.840 a great candidate, but she's you know, she's going to 1:22:56.000 --> 1:22:58.800 come up if he chooses her that it's going to 1:22:58.800 --> 1:23:01.080 be a little problematic when it comes to her history 1:23:01.640 --> 1:23:04.320 with law enforcement, considering the reckoning that's going on now 1:23:04.439 --> 1:23:05.160 in our country. 1:23:05.720 --> 1:23:07.439 But that's Sonny. You did the same thing for me, 1:23:07.479 --> 1:23:09.240 for with Amy Klobash. Are you just. 1:23:09.520 --> 1:23:16.880 Like but that's interesting? Do you know that before I 1:23:16.880 --> 1:23:20.599 interviewed her, people say it was cross examination. I single 1:23:20.640 --> 1:23:24.240 handedly undid her campaign, and her campaign was very upset 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:27.720 after her appearance on our show. I mean, she was 1:23:28.040 --> 1:23:32.080 never questioned about her prosecutorial background in the way that 1:23:32.120 --> 1:23:35.439 Kamala was. She was never questioned about it until she 1:23:35.520 --> 1:23:37.200 came on the show. And do you know how I 1:23:37.320 --> 1:23:40.320 found out about it. They buried her team had buried 1:23:40.320 --> 1:23:45.200 that case my Burrell's case. Black activists d m me 1:23:46.479 --> 1:23:49.439 dm me on social media and said, we hear that 1:23:49.479 --> 1:23:52.760 Amy's going on the show. Can I send you some 1:23:52.800 --> 1:23:57.080 documents about a case? I said sure. And sometimes I 1:23:57.120 --> 1:23:59.599 don't even look at Twitter. I don't even look at everything, 1:23:59.680 --> 1:24:02.200 you know. I just happened to be looking at it 1:24:02.920 --> 1:24:05.720 and I read my husband will tell you. I mean, 1:24:06.120 --> 1:24:09.080 I was up all night. I couldn't I couldn't believe it. 1:24:09.600 --> 1:24:12.280 I was like, oh my god. And you know, I 1:24:12.320 --> 1:24:15.320 think her campaign felt that I ambushed them. And I 1:24:15.360 --> 1:24:19.960 heard there's a CNN document or HBO Max documentary now, 1:24:20.080 --> 1:24:23.120 and CNN told some of their reporters that they can't 1:24:23.120 --> 1:24:26.000 believe they got scooped by a talk show host, which 1:24:26.040 --> 1:24:28.840 was kind of infuriating because I am a legal journalist 1:24:29.600 --> 1:24:34.160 federal prosecutor, So I was like, what are they talking about? Yeah, 1:24:34.280 --> 1:24:36.200 come on now, and you work on CNN, so I'm 1:24:36.240 --> 1:24:39.120 gonna need them there. And I worked there, and you 1:24:39.160 --> 1:24:44.439 know it is the number one talk show in the country. Yeah, 1:24:44.520 --> 1:24:50.559 that part, But I was surprised that I was the 1:24:50.600 --> 1:24:55.479 first journalist to bring it up. But everybody's bringing up 1:24:55.520 --> 1:25:00.320 Kamala's record. So black women do get examined in a 1:25:00.400 --> 1:25:03.240 in a way that is very different than white women, 1:25:03.400 --> 1:25:08.479 especially during this time when of vetting. And I think 1:25:08.640 --> 1:25:13.120 Valerie Jarrett just came out with an initiative for the 1:25:13.200 --> 1:25:16.040 media called something like we have we have her back, 1:25:17.000 --> 1:25:20.800 and they're saying, if he picks a woman, especially a 1:25:20.800 --> 1:25:30.960 woman of color, media, you are to profile and report accordingly. Yeah, 1:25:31.080 --> 1:25:36.439 you are to do your jobs professionally and ethically. And 1:25:36.479 --> 1:25:38.439 I think it was really important for her to say 1:25:38.479 --> 1:25:43.200 that because I do not think that Kamala I don't 1:25:43.240 --> 1:25:48.000 think that representative bass. I don't think that Stacy Abrams 1:25:49.120 --> 1:25:56.120 got got about Deming's got appropriate treatment in the media. 1:25:56.400 --> 1:25:57.920 I really don't believe they did. 1:26:02.640 --> 1:26:08.640 Can I ask oftentimes when I do watch news programs, 1:26:09.880 --> 1:26:13.559 sometimes I just wish that And I know that we're 1:26:13.600 --> 1:26:17.439 supposed to you know, when they go low we go 1:26:17.600 --> 1:26:20.280 high end quote. 1:26:21.120 --> 1:26:21.600 Fuck all that. 1:26:22.520 --> 1:26:30.760 But I'm just saying that, you know, can't we and we. 1:26:30.880 --> 1:26:38.560 As in whoever we we is in twenty twenty, why. 1:26:38.640 --> 1:26:43.120 Are we playing as dirty or as devious. 1:26:42.640 --> 1:26:45.280 And I don't mean as effective even yeah, as effective 1:26:45.520 --> 1:26:46.080 and as. 1:26:45.920 --> 1:26:51.640 Effective as It's almost like we already know that we 1:26:51.720 --> 1:26:55.960 already know what's in line to sure another. 1:26:55.680 --> 1:26:58.240 Four years in November. 1:26:59.280 --> 1:27:01.640 And it's kind of like watching those old you know, 1:27:02.840 --> 1:27:07.639 dully do right Snuffley with where you know our future 1:27:07.720 --> 1:27:11.240 is on this uh conveyor belt headed towards a mule 1:27:11.360 --> 1:27:19.719 sawt thing. And it's it's why can't we play as dirty? 1:27:20.400 --> 1:27:24.360 Why can't we you know that's too loaded of a. 1:27:25.680 --> 1:27:29.880 No, it's not for me, you know, Joy Behar and 1:27:29.880 --> 1:27:31.479 I talk about this all the time. She's like, when 1:27:31.520 --> 1:27:36.080 they go low, we need to go low. She's futilistic, right, 1:27:38.439 --> 1:27:42.800 I tend to disagree. I just think it's it's I 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:47.920 do I think that with facts on your side, with 1:27:48.000 --> 1:27:52.520 the law on your side, you don't have to play dirty. 1:27:52.760 --> 1:28:02.280 But it's like truth, come on, man, Like truth now 1:28:02.400 --> 1:28:05.160 is everyone, you know, the dangerous thing, Like everyone picks 1:28:05.160 --> 1:28:07.280 their own facts now, like it's not even. 1:28:09.720 --> 1:28:10.280 Is the winner? 1:28:10.800 --> 1:28:13.759 Yeah, and even kind of to your point earlier, Sonny 1:28:13.800 --> 1:28:15.880 about you know you were talking about, you know, the 1:28:15.880 --> 1:28:19.800 difference between journalism and entertainment. I think that's kind of 1:28:19.800 --> 1:28:22.400 a big, you know, kind of problem because you know, 1:28:22.439 --> 1:28:24.599 I mean I was a journalism major like in college, 1:28:24.680 --> 1:28:26.559 and you know, one of the things I see now 1:28:26.600 --> 1:28:28.519 and a lot of other like writers have talked about 1:28:28.560 --> 1:28:31.080 it of just kind of you have the conflation of 1:28:31.160 --> 1:28:36.040 journalism versus entertainment, where one is often masquerading as the other, 1:28:36.160 --> 1:28:38.240 you know what I mean, Like we don't have a 1:28:38.280 --> 1:28:40.920 twenty four hour news cycle because of journalism. That shit 1:28:41.040 --> 1:28:43.120 is entertainment, you know what I mean. It's not it is, 1:28:43.760 --> 1:28:45.559 you know what I mean. So I think that is 1:28:45.600 --> 1:28:49.519 where the kind of going lower thing comes in, because 1:28:49.560 --> 1:28:52.519 it's like you kind of have to use we're not 1:28:52.560 --> 1:28:55.559 playing the same rules don't apply anymore like as they 1:28:55.640 --> 1:28:56.280 as they used to. 1:28:57.800 --> 1:29:04.360 Everything aim has changed, that is true. But I just 1:29:04.479 --> 1:29:08.400 don't I think that if everyone is cheating, then you 1:29:08.479 --> 1:29:12.519 truly have the devolution of society, Like there has to 1:29:12.600 --> 1:29:18.000 be these standards and and and that's the that's the problem, 1:29:18.280 --> 1:29:22.200 you know. I don't think we can I certainly think 1:29:22.240 --> 1:29:24.599 we can combat, Like if you're going to go low, 1:29:25.439 --> 1:29:28.880 I can be pugilistic and hit you back. I don't 1:29:29.000 --> 1:29:32.559 know that I need to go lower, you know, I 1:29:32.640 --> 1:29:40.320 just I believe that, yeah, I can hit back, But 1:29:40.880 --> 1:29:45.320 I agree, I don't agree that you need to resort 1:29:45.360 --> 1:29:49.200 to trickery. I don't think you need to and the rules. 1:29:50.400 --> 1:29:52.240 I don't like that. 1:29:52.560 --> 1:29:55.879 I just so Kanye is not scaring you right now. 1:29:57.520 --> 1:30:00.040 For Kanye, I mean. 1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:07.000 From but he hasn't. 1:30:07.080 --> 1:30:10.200 Can't do that with somebody with mental illness, Like that's okay. 1:30:17.600 --> 1:30:18.160 Maybe. 1:30:19.920 --> 1:30:21.760 Be true, can be true? 1:30:22.560 --> 1:30:29.360 Suffering that yeah, really really suffering. He's really suffering. And 1:30:29.400 --> 1:30:33.160 I think what's important, what's really unfortunate is. 1:30:33.080 --> 1:30:36.879 That you know, he's not getting the help he needs, 1:30:37.520 --> 1:30:40.599 right and he can't. He's not getting it. 1:30:40.920 --> 1:30:42.640 And it's hard to help a grown person with a 1:30:42.640 --> 1:30:44.439 lot of money and power to like that's the whole 1:30:44.439 --> 1:30:45.439 thing you. 1:30:46.040 --> 1:30:51.000 Do institutionalized, like Sonny, you can, you can clear this up. 1:30:51.000 --> 1:30:53.800 But he literally has to physically hurt himself or somebody 1:30:54.040 --> 1:30:55.920 for him to be forcibly hospitalized. 1:30:55.920 --> 1:30:58.759 Correct, Yes, he has to be a danger to himself 1:30:58.840 --> 1:31:02.120 or others in California. 1:31:03.400 --> 1:31:04.679 Rob, I don't. 1:31:04.520 --> 1:31:09.000 Know he is. 1:31:09.200 --> 1:31:11.960 He is, just I mean it is. And think about 1:31:11.960 --> 1:31:15.400 his old music, right, I mean, oh, I mean you 1:31:15.439 --> 1:31:18.599 know I could listen to it. I thought I thought 1:31:18.600 --> 1:31:22.080 it was like masterful, some of it was masterful. And 1:31:22.120 --> 1:31:24.000 now you look at him and you're like, he is 1:31:24.240 --> 1:31:27.760 really suffering. My son was upstairs, he was working out 1:31:27.760 --> 1:31:29.160 and he was listening to I can't remember. The song 1:31:29.320 --> 1:31:33.320 was like building They're building tunnels up underwall. 1:31:33.880 --> 1:31:35.360 Nia Men. 1:31:35.520 --> 1:31:41.000 I noticed Nigga here with that ship, like he's sick. 1:31:42.000 --> 1:31:42.479 I think he. 1:31:42.800 --> 1:31:45.960 I think he is exactly who he has always been. 1:31:46.760 --> 1:31:48.600 I think so. I think. 1:31:51.120 --> 1:31:53.160 I'm not saying that. I'm not negating any of that. 1:31:53.200 --> 1:31:53.479 I'm not. 1:31:53.560 --> 1:31:56.160 I'm not I'm not negating any of that. I'm just 1:31:56.160 --> 1:31:58.880 saying just in my very limited view of him. And 1:31:58.920 --> 1:32:01.080 as I've always said this, before he started all this 1:32:01.479 --> 1:32:04.519 stupid Trump ship, you know when people always ask me, 1:32:04.520 --> 1:32:06.719 because you know, we work with each other very early, 1:32:07.160 --> 1:32:09.519 you know, on in his career, before you know, he 1:32:09.600 --> 1:32:11.880 was Kanye Kanye. And the thing that I've been always 1:32:11.880 --> 1:32:13.800 telling people for years, you know, when people talk about 1:32:13.800 --> 1:32:16.240 the old Kanye versus the new Kanye, the thing I 1:32:16.240 --> 1:32:18.640 would always say is, like, listen, man, Kanye is the 1:32:18.680 --> 1:32:22.000 same dude he has always been. It's just now he 1:32:22.160 --> 1:32:26.200 has much more power, influence, and a bigger platform to 1:32:26.400 --> 1:32:29.080 be who he is. He's just become more of who 1:32:29.120 --> 1:32:31.880 he already was. So by my estimation, there is no 1:32:32.080 --> 1:32:35.920 old Kanye, New Kanye. It's the same dude, just with 1:32:36.479 --> 1:32:42.480 much more resources, you know, at his disposal Kanye. 1:32:42.320 --> 1:32:44.479 Sick Kanye though I don't know what. 1:32:48.320 --> 1:32:54.599 Kanye then, yeah, facts. 1:32:54.120 --> 1:32:56.840 He's gotta be sick. I mean if you saw that 1:32:56.840 --> 1:33:01.080 that I don't know what campaign speech whatever was, I mean, 1:33:01.960 --> 1:33:05.439 someone is such Yeah, he was in such pain. I 1:33:05.520 --> 1:33:08.000 was like, oh my gosh, it's interest. 1:33:07.760 --> 1:33:10.120 In the way it's resulting in this this racial thing. 1:33:10.120 --> 1:33:12.280 Because even in that speech, the way he was treating 1:33:12.280 --> 1:33:13.800 that black girl versus that it. 1:33:13.720 --> 1:33:17.240 Was, I just couldnt believe that he's, well, that's not 1:33:17.680 --> 1:33:20.799 I don't Yeah, I believe he's I think, just don't believe. 1:33:21.000 --> 1:33:23.120 I don't get into it. Is it well sick. 1:33:23.320 --> 1:33:25.400 You don't have to believe that he's well, just believe 1:33:25.439 --> 1:33:26.320 that he's Kanye. 1:33:26.479 --> 1:33:29.240 I believe that. 1:33:30.080 --> 1:33:31.639 Yeah, that's what the fuck it is. 1:33:31.680 --> 1:33:33.960 And like, we ain't got time for this silly shit now, bro, 1:33:34.160 --> 1:33:36.599 Like come on, man, no, we are we are. 1:33:36.560 --> 1:33:39.599 Less than one hundred days from the election, and and 1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:43.719 and we we I think as a community desperately need 1:33:44.040 --> 1:33:46.839 Joe Biden. Even though he may be an imperfect candidate, 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:51.120 we need him to win. And someone even you know, 1:33:51.200 --> 1:33:54.440 working against that, even sick is problematic. 1:33:55.400 --> 1:33:57.120 We look at the way we came together on that. 1:33:57.120 --> 1:33:57.920 That was beautiful. 1:34:00.439 --> 1:34:03.680 Yeah yeah, I'm about to get here and argue with 1:34:03.720 --> 1:34:04.160 my people. 1:34:04.280 --> 1:34:07.400 No, that's that's how funny be on the view. I 1:34:07.439 --> 1:34:08.800 ain't gonna argue with what'll be on TV. 1:34:10.880 --> 1:34:14.320 We'll do it, I know, I know, take it to 1:34:14.360 --> 1:34:14.920 the group chat. 1:34:16.160 --> 1:34:20.519 I will say that. Uh it's it's before we let 1:34:20.520 --> 1:34:23.960 you go. It's really endearing to watch you guys via 1:34:24.000 --> 1:34:28.639 your social media platforms during game night. I'm very envious 1:34:30.000 --> 1:34:34.200 these monopoly games, like for real, Like it's my dream. 1:34:34.560 --> 1:34:38.639 I I live with a bunch of people who believe 1:34:38.680 --> 1:34:42.960 in going to bed at like nine pm. Oh they 1:34:43.080 --> 1:34:44.960 go to they go to bed early, they wake up 1:34:44.960 --> 1:34:47.280 at five in the morning and meditating all that stuff. 1:34:47.320 --> 1:34:49.559 And you know, like I just want one. 1:34:50.640 --> 1:34:53.160 I want one good game night where I can flip 1:34:53.200 --> 1:34:55.439 over the monopoly table if I'm losing. 1:34:55.640 --> 1:35:00.560 Like is that what the family? Or is that what? 1:34:59.320 --> 1:35:00.920 Ye whatever? 1:35:00.920 --> 1:35:01.160 I mean. 1:35:01.160 --> 1:35:04.519 We tried game nights, but you know everyone's. 1:35:08.479 --> 1:35:10.600 At your house. No, we we get we get a 1:35:10.640 --> 1:35:16.840 little crazy. We're competitive by nature competitive everybody. My father 1:35:17.200 --> 1:35:19.759 I posted yesterday we had a game night with my father. 1:35:19.840 --> 1:35:21.840 He started trash talking about ten minutes is a game. 1:35:22.120 --> 1:35:24.120 I was like, you haven't played Clue in a minute? 1:35:24.600 --> 1:35:27.519 Are you trash talking? He's like, yeah, yeah, keep on playing, 1:35:27.560 --> 1:35:29.360 keep on playing. It's just it's just kind of a 1:35:29.400 --> 1:35:33.840 family dynamic that we have. Oh we play Clue. Let 1:35:33.840 --> 1:35:37.800 me just just ignorant. But it's been such a wonderful 1:35:37.880 --> 1:35:40.800 thing for us because you know, Manny usually leaves very 1:35:40.800 --> 1:35:44.599 early in the morning to see patients. I usually leave early. 1:35:45.120 --> 1:35:47.439 The kids are you know, they're athletes, so they're they're 1:35:47.479 --> 1:35:50.280 constantly running. This has been the first time in years. 1:35:50.600 --> 1:35:54.200 The one silber lining for us is that we are 1:35:54.280 --> 1:35:58.320 home together, and we've been home together for months and uh, 1:35:59.360 --> 1:36:08.760 I'm sorry, thank you, he's cut, he's cute. I know, 1:36:08.880 --> 1:36:14.160 it's so ridiculous, those two, but I I love that we, 1:36:14.400 --> 1:36:18.000 you know, we've all been able to spend that time together. 1:36:18.040 --> 1:36:20.120 And like, the kids are serious about family game Night. 1:36:20.160 --> 1:36:23.880 They're like, Thursday night is family get Like they decide 1:36:23.880 --> 1:36:25.479 when we're going to play, and they decide what we're 1:36:25.479 --> 1:36:26.000 going to play. 1:36:27.280 --> 1:36:30.479 The top three games because we need some new suggestions. 1:36:29.840 --> 1:36:37.240 For this and I would say probably it's a toss 1:36:37.320 --> 1:36:41.320 up between Pictionary and you. 1:36:41.479 --> 1:36:42.840 Know, about to say. 1:36:48.560 --> 1:36:56.840 Tules were stacking. The only thing is you got to stack. 1:36:56.960 --> 1:36:59.160 The only thing is you stacked with the same sweet. 1:36:59.200 --> 1:37:01.400 So if it's a draw too, I can stack a 1:37:01.479 --> 1:37:04.000 draw to, but you can't put a draw. 1:37:03.840 --> 1:37:07.599 Four on top of draw to it. 1:37:07.760 --> 1:37:08.760 I go get it with it. 1:37:11.479 --> 1:37:12.559 Draws the same. 1:37:14.840 --> 1:37:21.840 That you use this niggas that used to read with 1:37:22.000 --> 1:37:23.400 their fingers under the word. 1:37:27.120 --> 1:37:29.080 The family game night. 1:37:30.760 --> 1:37:31.519 It's good. 1:37:32.920 --> 1:37:33.679 That one. 1:37:35.400 --> 1:37:36.960 That's good for the coffee table book. 1:37:40.720 --> 1:37:46.679 What is the one thing that you've adjusted to since 1:37:46.760 --> 1:37:52.000 March or during the quarantine that you haven't before that 1:37:52.080 --> 1:37:55.520 you're that's now part of your regular repertoire. 1:37:56.640 --> 1:38:02.439 I've started I've always cooked it, but I cookle up more. 1:38:03.040 --> 1:38:07.120 And I will say I started walking and running again. 1:38:08.000 --> 1:38:09.720 You know, remember I said I used was training for 1:38:09.760 --> 1:38:12.080 a marathon when I when I met my husband in church. 1:38:13.560 --> 1:38:17.679 It's been a long time since I. I have done 1:38:17.720 --> 1:38:22.000 it consistently, and I find that, you know, the one 1:38:22.040 --> 1:38:24.200 thing that kind of does give me a little self 1:38:24.200 --> 1:38:28.000 care is to try to exercise a little bit a little. 1:38:28.400 --> 1:38:31.400 I don't like to sweat that much, honestly, but running 1:38:31.520 --> 1:38:34.920 or walking a couple of miles a day, it's uh, 1:38:35.080 --> 1:38:38.320 it feels that feels good, and it's something that I 1:38:38.360 --> 1:38:41.720 just almost didn't make the time for before. Didn't just 1:38:41.880 --> 1:38:44.800 I don't know, I didn't I stop doing that. So 1:38:44.880 --> 1:38:47.719 I would say that that's different for me a little 1:38:47.720 --> 1:38:57.160 bit of what it's fantastic. It's probably award winning if 1:38:57.160 --> 1:38:58.280 I entered it into something. 1:38:59.280 --> 1:39:00.000 Let's talk about it. 1:39:00.439 --> 1:39:13.439 Yes, uh shoulder, Yeah, you can sit well, and I don't. 1:39:13.520 --> 1:39:18.800 I certainly can make that everybody that's my usually Thanksgiving 1:39:18.800 --> 1:39:21.400 and Christmas, I throw that, you know, into the mix, 1:39:21.560 --> 1:39:23.920 but I will make it especially for you. 1:39:24.479 --> 1:39:30.200 Okay, Well, Sonny, just ask you a quick technical question. Way, 1:39:30.240 --> 1:39:32.559 y'all are taping the view, so are you you're still 1:39:32.560 --> 1:39:33.400 at They just. 1:39:33.320 --> 1:39:34.960 Gave y'all one background. 1:39:35.040 --> 1:39:37.880 I know they just looked it up, didn't they, Because 1:39:37.920 --> 1:39:42.040 it wasn't always like that, like y'ating we're still at home. 1:39:42.439 --> 1:39:44.559 What they did was when they realized that we would 1:39:44.560 --> 1:39:47.599 we would be doing this all season and probably likely 1:39:47.600 --> 1:39:51.080 into next season as well, they brought equipment into our homes. 1:39:51.080 --> 1:39:52.960 I mean, people had has Mad suits on. It was 1:39:53.040 --> 1:39:57.000 really impressive. And ABC basically set trucks with equipment and 1:39:57.040 --> 1:40:05.320 people and has Mad suits to everyone's home. And no, 1:40:05.439 --> 1:40:07.920 they put them in, like they built these kind of 1:40:07.960 --> 1:40:10.720 mini studios and each host home and so we have 1:40:10.880 --> 1:40:14.840 a big screen behind us. It's not a green screen, 1:40:14.880 --> 1:40:18.040 it's actually a huge monitor that that we have a 1:40:18.080 --> 1:40:21.880 picture of where we generally the background of where we 1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:23.000 generally sit on the show. 1:40:24.280 --> 1:40:33.280 It's so, and then we have our lighting, and I 1:40:33.280 --> 1:40:37.120 mean they basically made sure that we could continue doing 1:40:37.160 --> 1:40:38.920 the show remotely. 1:40:39.160 --> 1:40:41.560 And you know, there's been a couple of little glitches 1:40:42.200 --> 1:40:45.080 because it's hard because you don't want to speak over 1:40:45.160 --> 1:40:48.280 each other, and so it's it's a little bit difficult. 1:40:48.800 --> 1:40:51.040 But we do not have monitors. We have prompter. Now 1:40:51.160 --> 1:40:53.080 we have feedback where we can see each other. The 1:40:53.120 --> 1:40:55.760 first month we didn't have that and then it just 1:40:56.120 --> 1:41:01.439 they came in fixed it. And you know, we interestingly enough, 1:41:01.760 --> 1:41:04.120 we used to be you know, sort of like number one, 1:41:04.240 --> 1:41:07.760 but they would break out syndicated and non syndicated, and 1:41:07.800 --> 1:41:11.320 now we're number one across the board in all of 1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:12.160 daytime TV. 1:41:12.840 --> 1:41:14.519 And imagine this week. 1:41:15.320 --> 1:41:17.360 I know everyone's like, I can't believe you on vacation, 1:41:18.479 --> 1:41:21.320 but I think it's because we're we are at our 1:41:21.360 --> 1:41:25.240 best when we are just talking about the issues, even 1:41:25.280 --> 1:41:28.280 the uncomfortable Ones. Yes, that's where we're at our best. 1:41:29.760 --> 1:41:32.200 That's when people are at their best when they when 1:41:32.200 --> 1:41:32.879 they talk. 1:41:33.160 --> 1:41:35.679 Sonny, I have to thank you because and I'm gonna 1:41:35.640 --> 1:41:37.160 thank you from all the people that I know that 1:41:37.280 --> 1:41:40.439 watch every day, from my dad to my best friend Fadija, 1:41:40.920 --> 1:41:44.439 because although I know it's a heavyweight, you carry it 1:41:44.560 --> 1:41:46.120 so classy and so beautifully. 1:41:46.439 --> 1:41:48.200 And I just really saying that. 1:41:48.240 --> 1:41:49.800 As I really appreciate you. 1:41:50.000 --> 1:41:52.280 I told you this at a mere DJ to Oscar 1:41:52.280 --> 1:41:54.080 party Ones, and I wanted to say something to you, 1:41:54.200 --> 1:41:55.400 and I walked up to you and I was like, 1:41:55.600 --> 1:41:56.080 I want. 1:41:55.880 --> 1:41:59.960 You to know you and I appreciate you because we do. 1:42:00.000 --> 1:42:04.240 Thank you. Thank you. One quick thing I will tell 1:42:04.280 --> 1:42:09.439 you is that I was diagnosed with diverticulitis, stress induced diverticulitis, 1:42:10.240 --> 1:42:13.280 which is like an information of the intestines and stuff. 1:42:13.479 --> 1:42:14.920 And yeah, I was. 1:42:14.960 --> 1:42:15.240 I was. 1:42:15.560 --> 1:42:19.559 I got really sick last last season, and last season 1:42:19.600 --> 1:42:22.920 was a tumultuous season for us. I lost like twenty pounds. 1:42:23.000 --> 1:42:25.240 I couldn't eat everything I ate BYuT of my stomach. 1:42:25.479 --> 1:42:27.719 So I went to the GI doctor and he said 1:42:27.720 --> 1:42:31.599 he usually sees that in what I have in seventy 1:42:31.640 --> 1:42:36.160 plus year old women and then seventy plus and he said, 1:42:36.280 --> 1:42:39.160 but it's stress induced. Are you under an extraordinary amount 1:42:39.160 --> 1:42:43.040 of stress? And I was like, no, I'm not. I'm fine. 1:42:43.479 --> 1:42:48.240 I'm only on the number one talk show stress, I argue. 1:42:49.240 --> 1:42:49.839 No stress. 1:42:49.960 --> 1:42:50.200 Yeah. 1:42:50.680 --> 1:42:54.320 I realized that it is a heavyweight because I attribute 1:42:54.320 --> 1:42:58.360 that to the fact that there are things sometimes that 1:42:58.360 --> 1:43:01.360 I would like to say. And I'm sure all of 1:43:01.400 --> 1:43:04.360 you understand this. There are things that I would sometimes 1:43:04.479 --> 1:43:08.120 like to say that will result in my losing that platform, 1:43:08.720 --> 1:43:11.519 and I think it's too important of a platform to 1:43:11.640 --> 1:43:15.599 lose for our community, and so I do not say 1:43:15.640 --> 1:43:21.720 those things. But when you internalize and internalize, you could 1:43:21.840 --> 1:43:26.200 end up with stress induced but diverticulitis. So I say 1:43:26.240 --> 1:43:29.120 that as an example because I really think it's important. 1:43:29.680 --> 1:43:32.280 If you're not on television token to three million people, 1:43:32.920 --> 1:43:35.679 you really have to talk it out right. You've got 1:43:35.720 --> 1:43:38.439 to get all of that stuff out. And I think 1:43:39.080 --> 1:43:44.400 now it's more important than ever to do that, not censoring. 1:43:44.520 --> 1:43:47.760 I'm not censoring myself, but I'm trying to keep it 1:43:47.800 --> 1:43:48.960 classy at all times. 1:43:49.360 --> 1:43:51.599 Well, Sonny, I will cordially invite you to the Quest 1:43:51.600 --> 1:43:54.120 Love supreme group chat where you can say all the problematic, 1:43:54.720 --> 1:43:55.080 to say. 1:43:56.360 --> 1:43:59.559 All you can't say for the white people. It's like therapy. 1:44:00.280 --> 1:44:05.960 It's like therapy. It's like therapy. Hey, group chat is 1:44:05.960 --> 1:44:06.920 the new social media. 1:44:07.040 --> 1:44:09.639 So we're gonna need to do a trade do I'm 1:44:09.640 --> 1:44:11.160 gonna need to get get into that good. 1:44:11.000 --> 1:44:12.160 Lights geting a loud group chat. 1:44:12.200 --> 1:44:17.439 She in with all her fling that's good Light. 1:44:19.680 --> 1:44:21.880 The women she named, I was like, yeah, you know, 1:44:22.520 --> 1:44:26.080 I forgot to say Jamel Jamel Hill's loud. 1:44:26.160 --> 1:44:30.160 She don't like y'all about the same. Y'all got the 1:44:30.200 --> 1:44:30.760 paper bag? 1:44:31.400 --> 1:44:32.160 Yeah we can't. 1:44:32.200 --> 1:44:40.120 We got, we got. It was Jeorge j Alicia Alicia Garza. 1:44:41.200 --> 1:44:43.960 My girl from CBS assistant for a girl sometimes that 1:44:44.200 --> 1:44:44.920 what's her name? 1:44:45.000 --> 1:44:47.599 She is so sharp with the short haircut. Oh my god. 1:44:49.880 --> 1:44:52.479 Yeah, we we do. We do. We keep. And what's 1:44:52.479 --> 1:44:54.519 great is sometimes when they see me on the show 1:44:54.560 --> 1:44:58.559 and they see that, I'm really, you know, drinking my 1:44:58.680 --> 1:45:00.320 tea because I'm like, if I get in to this 1:45:00.760 --> 1:45:05.120 last week like this last week, it was like, yeah, job, 1:45:05.560 --> 1:45:08.800 I'm gonna lose my job. I can't lose your job, 1:45:12.360 --> 1:45:12.920 right there? 1:45:13.400 --> 1:45:13.559 Can? 1:45:13.600 --> 1:45:14.120 I ask you? 1:45:15.240 --> 1:45:19.160 Is it possible. Is there a line to be crossed 1:45:19.200 --> 1:45:19.800 on the view? 1:45:20.280 --> 1:45:26.960 Ros o'donald said directly on the show, not like things discovered. 1:45:27.760 --> 1:45:30.439 I believe there are lines, and I always a line 1:45:30.439 --> 1:45:41.759 for black people, well, and always there's a line for everybody. 1:45:41.760 --> 1:45:42.960 I don't have a question. 1:45:44.360 --> 1:45:47.439 Since we're talking about this in this time that we're 1:45:47.439 --> 1:45:51.439 in right now, where seemingly everybody has an opinion, we're 1:45:51.479 --> 1:45:54.160 all encouraged to speak, speak up and speak out at 1:45:54.160 --> 1:45:58.080 this point, certainly, And but on the other side of 1:45:58.080 --> 1:46:02.240 the coin, you say the smallest thing wrong, your job 1:46:02.400 --> 1:46:06.000 is at risk, your life is at risk, everything. So 1:46:06.040 --> 1:46:09.479 how do you navigate that, especially since it's your job 1:46:09.600 --> 1:46:12.360 to speak your mind in front of so many people 1:46:12.400 --> 1:46:12.800 every day. 1:46:12.920 --> 1:46:17.360 Yeah, well I try to navigate it very carefully while 1:46:17.640 --> 1:46:22.040 being authentic. Becau See, I don't really believe in what 1:46:22.080 --> 1:46:25.000 people are calling cancel culture. I don't really believe that 1:46:25.160 --> 1:46:28.599 that is that. I think it's accountability culture. You don't 1:46:28.600 --> 1:46:32.320 get canceled just for giving your opinion. You don't get 1:46:32.360 --> 1:46:38.320 canceled for, you know, having an opinion that's different. You 1:46:38.439 --> 1:46:41.719 get held accountable though, for saying things that are racist, 1:46:42.320 --> 1:46:47.320 for saying things that are misogynistic you could get and 1:46:47.680 --> 1:46:52.520 doubling down on them and not apologizing you can get 1:46:53.000 --> 1:46:59.120 held accountable for those things. So I kind of disagree 1:46:59.120 --> 1:47:01.760 with this. There is oh, there's a cancel culture for 1:47:01.880 --> 1:47:05.400 giving your opinion. No, I think people are, for the 1:47:05.439 --> 1:47:07.760 first time in a long time, being held accountable for 1:47:07.840 --> 1:47:14.240 their actions. But because of my platform, I am very 1:47:14.280 --> 1:47:19.880 careful about what I say, making sure there's fact based 1:47:20.439 --> 1:47:24.160 and how I say it, because I also think there's 1:47:24.200 --> 1:47:29.280 something to be said about dealing with your colleagues gracefully 1:47:30.200 --> 1:47:33.479 and respectfully so that you can go to battle with 1:47:33.560 --> 1:47:37.559 those same people the next day without hurt feelings and 1:47:37.600 --> 1:47:41.840 things like that, and without people feeling personally attacked, feeling 1:47:41.880 --> 1:47:45.960 like they've been disrespected just because of their view right. 1:47:46.360 --> 1:47:49.599 So I think it's more that it's that people are 1:47:49.600 --> 1:47:54.360 now finally being held accountable for saying the quiet part 1:47:54.560 --> 1:47:57.760 out loud and other people saying I don't like that. 1:47:58.880 --> 1:48:02.519 You know that that's racist or that's sexist, or that's this, 1:48:03.080 --> 1:48:05.960 and if the person rather than say, you know what, 1:48:06.360 --> 1:48:07.880 teach me, what do you mean by that? Why do 1:48:08.000 --> 1:48:10.200 you take it that way, the person's like, no, it's 1:48:10.280 --> 1:48:14.439 not and yeah, blah, blah blah. That's different. I think 1:48:14.479 --> 1:48:18.680 that's I think that's someone that can't learn. That's just 1:48:18.800 --> 1:48:19.200 my take. 1:48:19.640 --> 1:48:23.679 I don't know. Okay, don't you disagree. 1:48:23.720 --> 1:48:24.879 It's fine you disagree. 1:48:25.080 --> 1:48:26.599 No no, no, no, no, no, I don't. I don't 1:48:26.600 --> 1:48:27.840 think I necessarily disagree with you. 1:48:27.920 --> 1:48:30.280 I just think it's you know, when we talk about, like, 1:48:30.439 --> 1:48:34.040 you know what cancel culture is, because I mean, because, right, 1:48:34.120 --> 1:48:35.960 I mean essentially what you're saying is like, well, yeah, 1:48:36.000 --> 1:48:38.880 I mean, no one gets canceled. They just you know, 1:48:38.920 --> 1:48:40.600 you might lose some money and you go away for 1:48:40.640 --> 1:48:43.040 a little while and then you just come back and rebrand, right, 1:48:44.800 --> 1:48:45.400 But you're being. 1:48:45.240 --> 1:48:47.800 Held accountable on that particular thing that you did. 1:48:48.760 --> 1:48:51.520 You say, you're being held accountable. 1:48:51.600 --> 1:48:54.120 But I guess the part for me is that, you know, 1:48:54.160 --> 1:48:57.280 a big part for me is like there's never like 1:48:57.439 --> 1:48:59.240 when we're like now in the era that we're in 1:48:59.280 --> 1:49:03.240 where we're talking about just rebuilding everything, like we're talking about, 1:49:03.600 --> 1:49:06.760 you know, defunding the police and abolishing prison like all 1:49:06.800 --> 1:49:11.479 these programming, right, So there's always I'm like, I'm with it, 1:49:11.560 --> 1:49:13.800 like we can let's bot police, nigga, let's get it on. 1:49:14.080 --> 1:49:18.320 But there's always there's never a discussion about what redemption 1:49:18.439 --> 1:49:21.800 looks like. And so my thing is that you know 1:49:21.840 --> 1:49:24.600 what I mean, Like, so at what point, you know 1:49:24.720 --> 1:49:27.400 my problem with you know, what people call is cancel culture. 1:49:27.720 --> 1:49:31.320 If you cancel someone, they no longer have an incentive 1:49:31.360 --> 1:49:34.759 to change, if you if cancel culture, or if holding 1:49:34.840 --> 1:49:38.040 someone accountable means we like we were just joking about 1:49:38.040 --> 1:49:41.040 you losing your job. If you've lost your job, then 1:49:41.080 --> 1:49:42.920 at that point it's like, well fuck it, Like you know, 1:49:42.960 --> 1:49:45.479 I don't already lost my job, lost my name Google 1:49:45.479 --> 1:49:47.479 you Google search me, and everybody talk. 1:49:47.680 --> 1:49:50.519 This is what defines me now, so hell, you know 1:49:50.560 --> 1:49:50.920 what I mean. 1:49:51.360 --> 1:49:53.720 So I think that's the part that I think that 1:49:53.760 --> 1:49:55.840 I think gets missed, you know what I mean? And 1:49:55.920 --> 1:49:59.519 particularly now you know, I think a big problem that, 1:50:00.080 --> 1:50:02.600 a point that I think is missed is that the 1:50:03.080 --> 1:50:04.680 audience today. 1:50:05.880 --> 1:50:07.800 Versus someone you know, twenty years ago, whatever. 1:50:08.479 --> 1:50:11.400 We have the high mind of social media at our 1:50:11.400 --> 1:50:15.840 disposal to help us break down very very complex concepts. 1:50:16.360 --> 1:50:20.360 So you know, if you were you know, twenty years ago, right, 1:50:20.400 --> 1:50:25.200 if you were a person that was assaulted or you 1:50:25.200 --> 1:50:27.240 you know, had questions about your sexuality or like how 1:50:27.240 --> 1:50:29.479 we were talking earlier about consent or whatever. 1:50:29.720 --> 1:50:31.519 I mean, who could you really talk to? 1:50:31.640 --> 1:50:33.880 I mean, you could maybe talk to your parents, You 1:50:33.880 --> 1:50:37.519 could maybe talk to you know, a friend maybe you 1:50:37.560 --> 1:50:39.200 know what I'm saying, just you know. 1:50:39.120 --> 1:50:41.120 Out there and everybody can chime in. 1:50:41.400 --> 1:50:43.719 Me get right now, like now, if you have questions, 1:50:43.720 --> 1:50:49.720 but whatever, you have world class counselors, psychologists, teachers, you 1:50:49.760 --> 1:50:53.160 know at your disposal, who have you know, who create 1:50:53.439 --> 1:50:57.760 and release content on their platforms daily to help you 1:50:57.880 --> 1:51:01.440 parse all of this information. So I think it's unfair 1:51:02.000 --> 1:51:07.879 to judge people now. I think it's unfair to litigate 1:51:08.720 --> 1:51:14.439 the present or litigate the past current understanding of the present, 1:51:14.479 --> 1:51:15.639 you know what I mean. And so when I see 1:51:15.680 --> 1:51:19.080 a lot of these things that happen when people just 1:51:19.479 --> 1:51:21.200 you know, when people just be saying some old dumb 1:51:21.200 --> 1:51:25.480 shit and they wouldever you know, to your point about educating. 1:51:26.280 --> 1:51:30.040 I don't ever see like education happen. 1:51:30.160 --> 1:51:33.000 It's always the first the first thing I see is 1:51:33.040 --> 1:51:35.200 always yeah, it's like get this now, they got to go, 1:51:35.280 --> 1:51:38.439 they counsel they've done, they say that, and there's never 1:51:38.520 --> 1:51:39.759 any room for education. 1:51:40.280 --> 1:51:42.599 Well, and that's why I refer to those that double 1:51:42.720 --> 1:51:46.200 down because I've seen situations where someone's held accountable and 1:51:46.200 --> 1:51:49.720 say ah ah, that was wrong. And then you have 1:51:49.840 --> 1:51:52.760 someone that says, you know what, I've met with this 1:51:52.800 --> 1:51:55.960 person and that person and I was wrong. I get it, 1:51:56.000 --> 1:52:00.360 and I get it now. See I believe in reject shin. 1:52:01.760 --> 1:52:05.679 So I don't I don't think that person loses their job. 1:52:06.120 --> 1:52:06.559 I don't. 1:52:06.600 --> 1:52:09.679 I don't agree with that. But the person that doubles down, 1:52:10.800 --> 1:52:14.720 and it's like, whatever, right, I mean, what do you 1:52:14.760 --> 1:52:17.360 do with that? Not gonna? 1:52:17.560 --> 1:52:26.800 Well you do? 1:52:30.600 --> 1:52:31.840 Yeah? I mean. 1:52:33.640 --> 1:52:36.800 Downtown, Yeah, I love that. 1:52:38.920 --> 1:52:41.519 About think about he's double down And I was just like. 1:52:41.439 --> 1:52:43.200 Wow, trip n. 1:52:46.680 --> 1:52:50.519 We we thank you for doing the show and and 1:52:51.240 --> 1:52:52.599 thank you for fighting a good fight. 1:52:53.400 --> 1:52:59.520 And you know we we feel your stress every episode. 1:53:00.160 --> 1:53:02.800 Thank you for thank you for feeling with me and 1:53:02.800 --> 1:53:03.880 having me. Y'all are great. 1:53:03.960 --> 1:53:07.600 This was wonderful and everybody get what I am the 1:53:07.800 --> 1:53:09.559 truth that memo. 1:53:10.160 --> 1:53:12.720 When the open back up, when the world open back up, 1:53:12.720 --> 1:53:16.800 I'm coming for a nice slice of that. I need 1:53:17.240 --> 1:53:24.920 ho hold, I need that. Uh, what's I need that? Comes? 1:53:25.360 --> 1:53:26.519 Yellow Rice? Yeah? 1:53:26.720 --> 1:53:29.720 I hate over, I hate the missions the SLA. Can 1:53:29.760 --> 1:53:31.960 you also find out why black women get fibrys. I'm sorry, 1:53:32.120 --> 1:53:33.479 it's in the book. Everybody read the books. 1:53:33.479 --> 1:53:33.920 She has them. 1:53:33.960 --> 1:53:37.400 But I'm just saying, yes, yes, there are there studies 1:53:37.400 --> 1:53:38.840 being done, but we're gonna talk about that. 1:53:38.920 --> 1:53:42.599 Thank you, thank you. I'm with you in the struggle. 1:53:42.840 --> 1:53:47.000 We be happy. Yeah, Sugar Steve, I'm paid, Bill and fine, 1:53:47.040 --> 1:53:49.559 take a love. This is quest Love, This is Quest 1:53:49.560 --> 1:53:51.920 Love Supreme, and we will see you on the next program. 1:53:52.080 --> 1:53:52.720 Thank you very much. 1:53:55.560 --> 1:53:59.760 Hmm. 1:54:01.960 --> 1:54:07.639 What's Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 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