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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme,

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Speaker 2: Quest Love.

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Speaker 3: What is up? Crew?

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Speaker 4: See? We have made Bill?

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Speaker 5: How are you? Everything's good?

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Speaker 6: Left on the street, remains on the street. Everything's good.

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Speaker 6: I can't complain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say, I commend you. I

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Speaker 2: haven't told you yet, but uh, you guys handled that.

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Speaker 2: Uh Elmo discovers racism bit.

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Speaker 6: Autumn's been working real hard on that, and uh do

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Speaker 6: we did some COVID town halls. We did we did

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Speaker 6: race town halls and it's been going pretty well, this

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Speaker 6: partnership with Seeing It.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool, all right, all right, So we also

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Speaker 2: got a fine take Alo.

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Speaker 4: In the house. What's going on?

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Speaker 5: New smoke coming out?

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Speaker 4: Anything?

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Speaker 5: Anything coming up?

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Speaker 7: Or I mean, I've been working on a lot of

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Speaker 7: stuff that's about to come out. Mainly I just been

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Speaker 7: bumping the CARDI and Meg joint.

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Speaker 4: That's been my.

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Speaker 8: Text.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, I gotta admit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And Steve, you're doing all right? I mean, sugar Steve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought we were your friends now so I

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Speaker 2: can address you by your Christian name.

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Speaker 5: Were you and I are back at work now? How

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Speaker 5: does it feel. We get tested every day, so we're safe.

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Speaker 8: Y'all go rabbit test, y'all trump? Oh my god, how

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Speaker 8: y'all get the rabbit test?

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Speaker 5: I got tested. We get tested every day, yo.

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Speaker 8: And you get your results? And how how short.

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Speaker 6: Time your brain?

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Speaker 2: No one, I admit, I gotta admit, okay. So there's

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Speaker 2: like four different nurses that do it. The idea of the.

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Speaker 5: Sexy nurse, who are called the essendon nurse.

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Speaker 2: Because she wears these like really weird stiletto heels.

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Speaker 5: Like everyone everyone fights to be in her room.

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Speaker 2: He's also the person like, god damn, she damn nearly

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Speaker 2: cleans your brain out like.

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Speaker 5: She her bedside manner is too rough.

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Speaker 2: So I like the the other gentle nasal tester.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, we get a test every day.

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Speaker 9: Like to answer your question, sony wow, I asked our

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Speaker 9: guests if she gets tested a celebrity thing.

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Speaker 2: It's always listen, it's always It's always customary that we

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Speaker 2: say hello to each other first, so that people know that,

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Speaker 2: you know, we don't bicker.

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Speaker 5: How are you like.

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Speaker 8: Oh, I'm good.

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Speaker 9: Somebody should know that I am sweating because I am

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Speaker 9: very excited about our guests and that's why I'm sweating.

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Speaker 5: That's good. Well, yes, let's get to our guests.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome our guest today. She is a

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Speaker 2: four time Daytime Emmy Award winner.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he's a lawyer a journalist of course. She is

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Speaker 2: host of her own true crime series and call Investigation Discovery.

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Speaker 5: Future best selling author.

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Speaker 2: This fall, she has a book called i Amb's Truths,

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Speaker 2: a memoir of identity, justice and living between two worlds.

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Speaker 2: That Laya is extreme. We're all excited, but why is

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Speaker 2: Mega s excited about this? Not to be outdone your

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Speaker 2: first so I'll say fiction or your first novel will

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Speaker 2: also be out in twenty twenty one, entitled Summer on

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Speaker 2: the Bluffs, which has nothing to.

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Speaker 5: Do with Curtis Snow on the Bluff. When I saw that, I.

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Speaker 2: Was like, wait a minute, that has nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with Curtis Snow's snow on the Bluff. She is also

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Speaker 2: I like to think of myself as a chicken farmer

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Speaker 2: as well, because of where I'm quarantining. She's a fellow

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Speaker 2: chicken farmer from the Boogie Down Bronx. But she's based

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Speaker 2: you know, well known and loved as a member one

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Speaker 2: fifth of the fiery, passionate, informed and impinionated ladies UH

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Speaker 2: known as the Crew from the View.

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Speaker 5: Let my fellow Q lessers also know that the five

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Speaker 5: of us have.

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Speaker 2: Very good for We generally agree on most things around here.

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Speaker 2: Can you guys imagine if like me, Steve and Laya

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Speaker 2: were kind of like Megan, Abby will be in it anyway.

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Speaker 5: Gentlemen, please welcome to you all as Sonny hostin. Please

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Speaker 5: thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, OK, I have one question for I just I

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Speaker 2: want to get the first question out before like you

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Speaker 2: grow upload right now?

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Speaker 5: No not. Does it get exhausting.

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Speaker 3: If I'm being honest, you know, it gets exhausting for

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Speaker 3: a lot of reasons. But I think it's it's very.

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Speaker 10: Difficult to maintain your composure when you're talking about things

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Speaker 10: that people generally feel uncomfortable talking about, and you know

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Speaker 10: you're talking about them in front of three million people,

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Speaker 10: and you know.

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Speaker 3: You have to come back and talk about them again.

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Speaker 3: So you can't burn bridges, but sometimes you want to.

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Speaker 3: You kind of want to not only burn them, you

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Speaker 3: want to blow them up. And it's also hard as

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Speaker 3: a woman and a woman of color, when I know

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Speaker 3: that there are all these tropes out there all the time,

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Speaker 3: angry black woman, too emotional, irrational, And I know because

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Speaker 3: I hear from our viewers that they feel that I

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Speaker 3: represent them, and so I do not want to be

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Speaker 3: a poor representation of the people. So I have to

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Speaker 3: think about all that when I'm there a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like for a lot of viewers of

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Speaker 2: the show, especially pre COVID, I will say that there's

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Speaker 2: a majority of the people that I know, especially like

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Speaker 2: where Steve and I work. Steve and I work at

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Speaker 2: thirty Rockefeller Plaza, So I think oftentimes people think like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm cool roots the roots in a mirror, so I'm

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Speaker 2: not racist, or I'm not you know, or those things

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Speaker 2: where it's like, well, you're friends with your coworkers, so

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Speaker 2: thus you're on the right side of history. I often

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Speaker 2: feel as though I feel like you and Whoopee might

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Speaker 2: I want, and I don't want it to just say like, oh,

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Speaker 2: only housewives watch the view, like anyone who's home during

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Speaker 4: It, but we all home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say that I often feel

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Speaker 2: added pressure on you. But when the when the cameras

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Speaker 2: that walk back to the dressing room for the five

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it depends on the day, you know, in all honesty,

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Speaker 3: because we know we have to Yeah, I mean, we know,

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Speaker 3: and we may have had a really uncomfortable conversation. And

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Speaker 3: what a lot of people don't know is, you know,

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Speaker 3: we're totally unscripted. We don't know what anyone is going

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Speaker 3: to say, we know the topics, we don't even know

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Speaker 3: the questions that are coming at us. So after it

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Speaker 3: blows up and we're giving our honest feedback, especially during

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Speaker 3: these times like COVID and the pandemic and this presidency

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Speaker 3: and you know, this administration, and I think what's become

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Speaker 3: a racial reckoning, tempers are flaring and and sometimes it's

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Speaker 3: hard to you know, look at your colleague and not

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Speaker 3: be emotional and upset and wondering what where where did

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Speaker 3: that come from? Most times, though, I'll be honest, we

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Speaker 3: we reach back out to each other. It may take

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Speaker 3: a day, it may take two days, but sometimes it's immediate.

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Speaker 3: We will text each other, we will call each other

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Speaker 3: and say what was that. We we have that relationship

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Speaker 8: Now we've done that, guys.

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Speaker 8: What we've done. We've we've done that.

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Speaker 3: Happens.

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Speaker 9: You have to because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 9: it's kind of like another family too.

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Speaker 8: So you know this.

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Speaker 9: You don't always like each other. You do love each other,

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Speaker 9: and you want to make sure that you know that, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And we're dysfunctional like every other family, you know.

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Speaker 3: So this is what it is. And imagine a family

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Speaker 3: that you didn't choose and a family that is We're

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Speaker 3: all very different, different ages, different backgrounds. We are as

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Speaker 9: I watch you maneuver with the age thing, and that's

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Speaker 9: I see you, to see you and whoope, because that's

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Speaker 9: an interesting in there, because y'all have very different backgrounds

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Speaker 9: and very different.

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Speaker 8: Views at times.

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Speaker 9: A lot of times you get this the same, but

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Speaker 9: sometimes your experiences and her experience is coming to and

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Speaker 9: I watch you, you know, gracefully go in your mind

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Speaker 9: to me, I go, you go, that's my elder.

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Speaker 8: Let me listen to her.

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Speaker 3: And then absolutely absolutely, you know, I think at least

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Speaker 3: that's how I was raised. You know, you're speaking to

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Speaker 3: someone of a different generation. You do that with respect.

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Speaker 3: Even if you disagree, you just disagree respectfully. Not everyone

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Speaker 3: was raised that way, but that's how I was raised. Oh,

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Speaker 3: how I comport myself?

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Speaker 5: How how hard is it?

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Speaker 2: Especially when you have to give so many teachable moments

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Speaker 2: in sound bites within these like eight to nine minute increments,

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Speaker 2: and the five of you have the platform.

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Speaker 5: Like I'll say right now, the five of us.

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Speaker 2: Have a rhythm or energy that we didn't have maybe

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Speaker 2: the first twenty episodes where we.

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Speaker 5: Were talking on top of each other that sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't say anymore, it's my rhythm, silence, no whit.

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Speaker 2: But oftentimes, well, you've been there for two years now, correct?

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Speaker 3: Four?

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Speaker 4: Right, has been two years long.

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Speaker 2: So even in being there for four years and new

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Speaker 2: blood comes in and you know, and oftentimes, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think that often when producers or executive producers are

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Speaker 2: they're thinking about who who's controversial, who's rebel rouser. So

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Speaker 2: you kind kind of have to wonder, like who's there

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Speaker 2: just to be the SoundBite of the moment on social

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Speaker 2: media or who's there to really make a teachable moment

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Speaker 2: to teach America and teach each other about how you

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Speaker 2: feel as a human, Like how hard is it to

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Speaker 2: talk in sound bites that are sustinct and to the point,

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Speaker 2: and also trying to make a teachable moment, Like do

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Speaker 2: you ever feel as though you know, I mean, obviously

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Speaker 2: I'm trying not to make this about Megan, but I'm

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Speaker 2: just saying, like, do you ever that there will be

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Speaker 2: a teachable moment for her?

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Speaker 8: Where there have been some I'm sorry, go ahead, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean there have been some, but I almost feel like

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Speaker 2: sometimes it's nine steps forward and then.

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Speaker 3: Mm hm.

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Speaker 2: As as far like how concerned you about making a

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Speaker 2: teachable moment in which the person really understands and not

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Speaker 5: But yeah, you know, Iran getting.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I was like yo, issue, yeah, and so but

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Speaker 9: My parents are more like you know, my mom was

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Speaker 3: you know, I I loved music, I loved hanging out

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00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 3: with my friends, breaking night, you know, that kind of

441
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. But I will tell you when

442
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 3: my parents after my uncle, my uncle got stabbed during

443
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 3: an altercation and I saw it. I was with him

444
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 3: when it happened, and my mother said he was almost killed.

445
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 3: He later died as a competent. I did, yeah, and

446
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: it was it was horrible. My family decided, you know,

447
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 3: we can't live with this kind of violence around us

448
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: all the time. So they kept on trying to get

449
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: an apartment in Manhattan. But because they're an interracial couple,

450
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: they couldn't get an apartment. They would go together, and

451
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: you think about it, I mean, you know, redline is

452
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 3: such a problem and racial bias and housing is such

453
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 3: a problem. But this is the seventies and they could

454
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: not get a place to live together. But interracial marriages

455
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 3: had just been sanctioned by the Supreme Court in sixty seven.

456
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 3: They got married in sixty eight, so you know, seventies,

457
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 3: there weren't that many people that were married from different

458
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: races then. So my mother went on her own and

459
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 3: filled out an application in Manhattan, and she changed her

460
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 3: name from Rosa to Rose, and she changed She used

461
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 3: to go by her maiden name, which is Besa. Her

462
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 3: father's a Spanish Jew, and she changed it to Come.

463
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: She used my father's last name Coming, so she became

464
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: Rose Comings. And if you look at her, she doesn't

465
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 3: look of color. And she got an apartment in Manhattan

466
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 3: and we move moved out the Bronx, and when my

467
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 3: dad and I showed up, you could imagine the sts.

468
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: So I got the opportunity when I was going to

469
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 3: high school, I lived in Manhattan in a better neighborhood

470
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 3: and was able to hang out at the clubs in

471
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 3: Manhattan too, So that was that was the upshot. But

472
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 3: I split my time because my fam most of my

473
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 3: family was still in the Bronx.

474
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Speaker 9: I mentioned after in the book and the memoir you

475
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 9: when you tell that story about your uncle, because sorry,

476
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 9: it was so good. I made a couple of notes,

477
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 9: and they said that you said that it marked the

478
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 9: beginning of having to straddle multiple worlds, which to me

479
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 9: started to make sense as a viewer of.

480
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 8: The view and the way you handle things.

481
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 9: And you just talked about how it becomes natural and

482
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 9: necessary to juggle motherhood, career, loving and knew and old friends,

483
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 9: and how when you moved to Manhattan your old friends,

484
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 9: and the Bronx was like, oh, you knew right.

485
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 3: They still trip on me. It's so funny. They're like, oh,

486
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: you fancy now still to this day because I have

487
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: the same friends, I've any friends.

488
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 8: Getting jumped on the subway, I was like, sonny, I

489
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 8: got that.

490
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: I did. I got jumped on the subway.

491
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 9: Tell the guys this story please, because I had the

492
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 9: same experience I did.

493
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 3: You did. It's horrible so that you experienced, Yes, it's horrible.

494
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: I used to have to take the subway, two subways,

495
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: two trains from where I lived to this private school

496
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 3: my father insisted on sending me to on Park Avenue,

497
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 3: and it's like I had never experienced anything like that.

498
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: You know, it was certainly not my world. And but

499
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: he wanted a better life for me, so they enrolled

500
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: me in this this private school with these fancy uniforms.

501
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: But everybody else getting dropped off, you know, being driven

502
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: there and I'm taking the subway and I got the

503
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: ouf and on, and you become a target immediately. You're

504
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 3: you're just a target, so like I know, street ways.

505
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: But they knew that I was somehow different. And this

506
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 3: group of girls would always get on the stay train,

507
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: always got a six train and it was about six

508
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: of them, and they would just taunt me, Oh you

509
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 3: this use that. Look at where'd you get those shoes?

510
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: Look at that uniform where you go to school? Blah

511
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. It was just oh, but that was constant,

512
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 3: you know, and I have very long hair. My hair

513
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 3: was like waistless, and they would say, you know, uh,

514
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: look at that hair, that's why you think you're cute.

515
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 3: And it was constant. It was for about three or

516
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 3: four months, and I realized we must all gone to

517
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: school in the same area because we were on the

518
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: same train at the same time trying to get to school.

519
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 3: And I would try different cars and they would just

520
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 3: find me, and they find me, and I think it

521
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: was just like their their you know, their morning fun,

522
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 3: quite frankly. And then one day they were quiet and

523
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, maybe it's over. I literally they

524
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: literally we get off of this at this at the stop.

525
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: It's a sixty eighth Street, Manhattan, and they don't me.

526
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: They take one of my like my braid and just

527
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 3: cut it off, just one wow. So I got one

528
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: long grade and just nothing, I mean, And I was

529
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: so traumatized. And I had never really looked them in

530
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: the face, because that's New York real. You don't look

531
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: at the people in the face because now you're challenging someone.

532
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: So I would hear them and say, but I would

533
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: just just cursory glance. So, you know, I ran to

534
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: the school. The school called the police, and they kept

535
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 3: on saying, do you want to identify them? I was like, one,

536
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: I don't really, I didn't look them in the face.

537
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: And two can you imagine if I identified them? You know,

538
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 3: then I got to get on the train again. It's

539
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: just not a good ride. And so I spent the

540
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: next you know, I would say, six months avoiding taking

541
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: the train, walking to school, you know, walking miles to school,

542
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: taking the bus, pretending to be ill. I don't have to.

543
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: You know, my cousins were like, you know, trying to

544
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 3: take me to school. It was it was it was

545
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: an interesting you know, you're straddling two worlds, right, I mean,

546
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: that's that's I think so many of us. We call

547
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: it code switching now, but I think many of us

548
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: are sort of used to doing that. And I'm used

549
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: to doing that on the view too. I mean, there

550
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: are times I got to tell you, I feel like

551
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: my husband explodes, explode and yelling at.

552
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 8: The TV and you can't.

553
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like falling back into a certain code,

554
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: but I just know that it's not. It won't serve

555
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: anybody well to do that.

556
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 8: But the theme is is that you constantly do this.

557
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 9: And even when you were describing the intricacies of being

558
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 9: from a Puerto Rican side of the family and a

559
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 9: family who is from the South, and the difference between

560
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 9: being the light skinned cousin and then the greeta like, yeah,

561
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 9: the way you broke down and understood early your position

562
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 9: and even though it upsets you, but you were like

563
00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 9: I get it.

564
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it. It's interesting when you, I think,

565
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: when you live between worlds like that, you know, like

566
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: my father's family, he was the first one that didn't

567
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: marry a black woman. And on my mother's in my

568
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: mother's family, she was the first one that didn't marry

569
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: somebody that was either Latino or white quite frankly, so

570
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: they were you know, so I was a unicorn. And

571
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: on my father's side, they never accepted my mother. They

572
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: didn't really like it, and because he was like, you know,

573
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: cream of the crop and why he had to marry her.

574
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: And I think that happens with some southern families and

575
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: it's understandable giving our history. And on my mother's side

576
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: of the family they accepted him, but it was more

577
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: like for me, I was always negrita, negrita, negrita. Even

578
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: in Puerto Rico negrita and Spanish people will tell you

579
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: that that's a term of endearment, but I don't think it.

580
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 4: Is just niggles on it.

581
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: So it sounds like a little bit about the eye.

582
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: That's what it sounds like to me. And it always

583
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: felt like that. And they were like, it's a term

584
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: of endearment. I'm like, but it's raise based, it's color base.

585
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: I don't like it. And I would say all the time,

586
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: don't call me that, you know, but they but they would.

587
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 8: Ever stop when you said no, not when I was

588
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 8: a kid.

589
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 3: They don't dare now, but you know, no when I

590
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: was a kid. No, It's like that's a term of endearment.

591
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: Just take it, just take it. And then you still

592
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: hear it in the Latino community, you know. And then

593
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: on my father's side, it was always like, you know,

594
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: they hated my mom or didn't like my mom, hate

595
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: his strong work. But it was like, you know, most

596
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 3: little girl, the pretty little girl, pretty light skinned girl,

597
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: the girl with the good hair. And it's like, so

598
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: you don't like the marriage, but you are exalting the product.

599
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: Of the marriage, product of it, right.

600
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 3: That doesn't make any sense. So it was it was

601
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: sort of I was. I grappled with that my whole life.

602
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't quite understand it. And even today

603
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 3: I write in the book about I was with Anna Navarro,

604
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: Donald Lemon, I was with Anna Navarro, I was with

605
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: Don Lemon, Candy Carter, and I think just yeah, we

606
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: were eating lunch to get Candy used to be she's

607
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: now the executive producer at Tamman Show, but she was

608
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: my executive producer at the View and Candy's African American.

609
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: Y'all know Anna Navarro, and y'all know Don.

610
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: Because he's been lately, he's been. He didn't turn into

611
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: Don Lemon Pepper as of late.

612
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: It's real black now. I'm always gooping on him. I

613
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 3: think he had a transformation in Ferguson when we were

614
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: there and he got killed up. We were both there,

615
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: but he uh, you know, we were talking and Anna

616
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: was like, my real name is Asuncion, and Anne was

617
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, I I thought you was Spanish.

618
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: I was really and and she only seemed to figure

619
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: it out when j Lo's mom and I would talk

620
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 3: speaking in Spanish and.

621
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 8: I should know that your viewers we have we observed

622
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 8: that as well. I'm glad.

623
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 3: I was like, how how would you not know that

624
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 3: you were with me at CNN? I mean, I've done

625
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: hits for CNN Espanion. I don't I don't understand that.

626
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: And I think for her it was more like because

627
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: I was always so vocal about the black community and Trayvon,

628
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: and she kind of thought, well, she's just black. Like

629
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: she couldn't be anything else. And then so we kind

630
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: of got over that, and she said, but I apologize

631
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 3: to you because I don't know. I just I didn't

632
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 3: see you as a multi dimensional person. And then Candy

633
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: said the same thing. Candy was like, well, I owe

634
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: you an apology too, because she told me one day.

635
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: I kept on wondering why when we were booking shows

636
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 3: like MLK shows and you know, other other shows, they

637
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: never asked me for my connects. I was like, why

638
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 3: don't the book has come to me? I mean, I

639
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 3: know a lot of black people. I was like, y'all

640
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: can't find anybody. Why don't you come to me? Let

641
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: me open up my rolodex. And she kind of mentioned

642
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: to me one day she was like, well, you're not

643
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 3: really black. I was like, so, Whoopy's the only black

644
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 3: person on the set? I was. It was just very

645
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: surprising to me. And her opinion was she saw me

646
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: as more Latina. And so you have these two women,

647
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: one's black, one's Latina, I'm both and they are sort

648
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: of erasing me from both community, from both sides, from

649
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: both sides. And then Don Lemon, Donna and I've been

650
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: friends in a really long time, probably maybe twenty years

651
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: or so, and he's just he was like, welcome to

652
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 3: Sonny's world, because I mean that's you know, he's dealt

653
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 3: with his own issues, I think, being a black man

654
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 3: from the South and a gay man, so he's traversing

655
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 3: very worlds and his fiance is white, so he certainly

656
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 3: has to deal with a lot of different different issues.

657
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 2: Well, once again, how exhausting is it?

658
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 4: Very exhausting?

659
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 5: So what are family gatherings like now for you?

660
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 6: Because my dad make it out in the kitchen.

661
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I just mean of it.

662
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: You know, there's a point where if a light shines

663
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: with you, or if there's a success in your life,

664
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: then you'll see a lot of people's tunes start to change.

665
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: And I guess maybe I've just started to come to

666
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: grips with how to even deal with that. I mean no,

667
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: I was always like a family black sheep. And then

668
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: once you once you make it, then it's like because

669
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: of the mirror jay Z's comeing to do.

670
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: To get those calls.

671
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: I was going to say, like with those do you

672
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: attend you know, family reunions and those things.

673
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: Or yeah, I didn't for a while. I didn't for

674
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: a while, and then my my father's mother passed and

675
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 3: I saw everyone for the first time at her funeral

676
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: in a long time, and I missed them very, very,

677
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 3: very much. When my mother's mother passed, you know, unfortunately

678
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: we get together with weddings and funerals a lot of families,

679
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 3: And when my mother's mother passed, I realized how far

680
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 3: apart I had sort of become from, you know, both

681
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: sides of my family, just in terms of trying to

682
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: work hard and like you said, kind of be in

683
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 3: the black sheet, you know the other I think it's

684
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: brought us closer now. I think their passing has brought

685
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 3: us closer because now more than ever, I think we

686
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: need our families. I think we need our support systems.

687
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: And when you are the one that makes it, I

688
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 3: feel a certain sense of responsibility to help the others

689
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: in my family that just haven't been able to do

690
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 3: as well. You know, I got cousins in prison, I've

691
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: got you know, other cousins that just can't afford to

692
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 3: put their kids through school. And so I've stepped in

693
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: the gap in the in those places because I just

694
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: I think when one of us makes it, we can

695
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 3: really make a change. For our families. So I have

696
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: done that. I've taken it upon myself to make sure

697
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: that that I do that.

698
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 7: So how exhausting is that because as a black person,

699
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 7: that's the other side of it, to be one the

700
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 7: one who made it?

701
00:38:53,440 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: Like a lot of people, What is your relationship with

702
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 2: the word no? And I'm not asking as the host

703
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: of this podcast, I'm I.

704
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: Need this woman, you know I am. I am not

705
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: great at it. I've become better at no. I'm certainly

706
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: good at know when I think that it isn't good

707
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: for the person asking. You know, I'm not going to

708
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: help you if if it's going to help you destroy yourself.

709
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 3: You need you need money for your next fix, You're

710
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: not going to get it for me. But I do

711
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 3: have trouble saying no when I know I really shouldn't

712
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: pile one more thing on my plate. I try to

713
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: make the time and self care I think is really important,

714
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: and I don't, I know, realize that I don't spend

715
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: enough time doing that because you know, if mommy unravels

716
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: or wife, everything unravels, the whole falls apart.

717
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 9: And I started sat there, what is your self care things, Sonny?

718
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 9: Because you do your fighting fights all day. You're a

719
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 9: whole and a whole mom, and then.

720
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: You and then you fight my chickens. I got fifteen.

721
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 5: I started a place that once had seven. Yeah, and

722
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 5: then raccoons I didn't.

723
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: Know how like vile foxes and raccoons like they've done.

724
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: They go, they they come right underneath. They even have

725
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: things called chicken moles that just they just like to

726
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: eat chicken and like you know, attack chickens. Well we have,

727
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 3: we've we lost a few at first. And then my

728
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: husband he's really handy and can fix anything. He put

729
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: like the steel gauge mesh underneath the coop, underneath the

730
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 3: chicken run and so we were good for a while.

731
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 3: And then we decided they free range because we look,

732
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: we live outside the city. Uh, we were letting the

733
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: free range. And then we had a hawk attack. We

734
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: had a hawk incident. Chickens, chickens were flying everywhere. I

735
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 3: couldn't believe it.

736
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 8: I was, that's everywhere now, ridiculousness.

737
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, man, chickens got chickens, got them coming from above,

738
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 11: from underneath the side.

739
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: From where they say hawks are supposed to be hunt.

740
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: They supposedly hunt, and uh, that solitary hunters. But there

741
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: were there was more than one hawk. My vet said,

742
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: it's possible that there was like a mother hawk teaching

743
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: a baby hawk. But anyway, no, I mean, but I'm

744
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: in west Chester County.

745
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 8: That's by you, right A mirror? Is that you.

746
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: Too out here.

747
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 5: Too? Yeah?

748
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 9: Can I just say, speaking of hawks, Sonny, I want

749
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 9: to you to share with the guys your initial list

750
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 9: for a mate.

751
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: Yes.

752
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 9: Uh, And I know that because Sonny hawked down. She

753
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 9: howked down on her husband. Manny, I know that Bill

754
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 9: and you will find this fast.

755
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: I did. I did. I found him in church. I

756
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: say we met in church.

757
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 5: He said, we didn't meet in church?

758
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 8: You did meet him?

759
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: You didn't meet in church? No?

760
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 8: You No, you saw him in church.

761
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: Met there.

762
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 4: Okay, what are you saying?

763
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: Our souls met there?

764
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying.

765
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 3: Well, well, what happened. What happened was that my mother

766
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: said that my problem was that I didn't go to

767
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 3: church enough. That's why I couldn't meet any good men.

768
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: Because I was a serial dater. I was. I was

769
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 3: dating a lot of athletes and musicians and stuff like that.

770
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 3: I won't tell you, so I won't tell you which one,

771
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: but here goes my husband peeking, poking in his head.

772
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: Hey church, did meet a church?

773
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 2: He just said, that's right, sweetheart, marriage man, Okay, okay.

774
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: He knows. So I decided I was training for a marathon,

775
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: and I was in my sweats, like you know, training outfit,

776
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 3: and I ran into a church just to kind of

777
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 3: just jones on my mother, just to you know, goofin

778
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 3: her and call her back and say, yeah, I met

779
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: the priest in the church. And I sat in the

780
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: back and these two fine men walk in, and I

781
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: was like, oh, nice looking men in the church. And

782
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: my husband goes to church every Sunday, but he goes

783
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: to church in a suit, and so he had a

784
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: suit on. And it turns out that the church was

785
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 3: across the street from Johns Hopkins University, where he was

786
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 3: in medical school. But I didn't I didn't know that,

787
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 3: you know, because I was kind of new in town Baltimore.

788
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: And uh. I did stay at the church and I went,

789
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 3: you know, listen to everything, and then I follow him

790
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: outside of the church. Of course, does she.

791
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: Meet him yet meet him? She's still in the stalking process.

792
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: No, I met him in the church. So then I

793
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 3: U after we met in the church. Then I followed

794
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: him to the bagel shop and I approached him and uh,

795
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: I said, Hi, I'm new in town. And I said,

796
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: wasn't that she wasn't this a sermons? The homily so

797
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: beautiful in the church, And he was like, you were

798
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 3: in the church? I said I was, But he just

799
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: kept on looking at me because I had a ridiculous

800
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: outfit on. I mean I had I was sweaty, I mean,

801
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: I look crazy. But I was in the church, and

802
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 3: he was a little bit dismissive. But he had everything

803
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: I wanted because I always wanted a man of faith.

804
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: I found out at the bagel shop that he was

805
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 3: in medical school, so he had something he wanted to do.

806
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: You know, he was he was on a track of

807
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: having a career. I wanted someone to smoke, spoke more

808
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: than one language that was important to me. Found out

809
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: that he was born in Spain. His mother's from Spain,

810
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: his father is from Haiti, so he spoke Spanish. Spanish

811
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: was his first language. Then check, then so I got

812
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: three checks. Now, then I said, well where are you from?

813
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: Because I was like, you know, maybe he's from a

814
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: corny place and maybe he won't have like a vibe.

815
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 3: He was like, I'm you know, I was born in Spain,

816
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: but then we moved to New York. So I was

817
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 3: like check check shack, you.

818
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 5: Know, the same day.

819
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so good. Then he said, uh. We

820
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: started talking about where he was, you know, went to

821
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 3: school where. Then he pledged, he was like, yeah, I'm

822
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: a member of Camp Alphas. I was like, I was like,

823
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 3: oh Jesus. I was like, it's just so good. And

824
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: I did well, We'll say I. I always said that

825
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: my husband had to be over six feet tall because

826
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 3: I'm not short. Uh he he. He did not meet

827
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: that that that one qualification, but I didn't really notice

828
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: it then because I was all I saw was shininess

829
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: because he's very good looking in the face, and he

830
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: walks real tall and he's real muscular. I really didn't

831
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: notice the height until later, so I had to give

832
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 3: that up. I'm right, I'm taller than him if I

833
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: have heels on, yes, I am.

834
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 8: Mh one to know, Sonny.

835
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: Sorry, I've never noticed. I never noticed. But I called

836
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: my friend and I was like, I met my husband.

837
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: He don't know it yet, and she was like, oh,

838
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 3: so he must do this. He speaks Spanish, he's from

839
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: New York. He's this and he's what is he six four?

840
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 5: I was like, you're like you in the face.

841
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 3: I was like, he's real good in the face. The

842
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 3: grill is working. I was like, everything is good. But

843
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: I don't think he's over six feet. But we did

844
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: meet in church.

845
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: It sounds one of those Rudy Bud This is one

846
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 2: of those Rudy Bud moments.

847
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 5: Yes, of course.

848
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: I guess your entry to where you are now starts

849
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: with law school.

850
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 5: Will you can you say that.

851
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 2: Is it that you're that you're the manifestation of your

852
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: parents uh dream to become that professional?

853
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 5: Like are you the result of that?

854
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: How did you even get how did you have interest

855
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: in in justice?

856
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 3: And it was my mother. I actually wanted to be

857
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: a broadcast journalist and my mother freaked out. She was like,

858
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 3: what is that castle? Castle? And I was like, this

859
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 3: is you know, you put the news on TV. But

860
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: you got to think in the eighties, there weren't you know,

861
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 3: this wasn't like Oprah. You know, Oprah wasn't who she became.

862
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: And I think in New York there was like Carol Jenkins,

863
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 3: but there there just wasn't a lot of representation. I

864
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: mean there still isn't, but there just wasn't a lot

865
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: of representation in media. And she thought that the best

866
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 3: way to financial security, especially for a woman, law medicine,

867
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: law medicine. She became a teacher, and she was like,

868
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: you gotta you need to become a lawyer. She's like,

869
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 3: you like to talk a lot, you like to argue

870
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 3: a lot. You got all a's that's what you got

871
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: to do. And so I took the LSATs. What was

872
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 3: fascinating was I loved law school, but I would not

873
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 3: have thought of it if not for my mother, because

874
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 3: I did argue all the time, and I felt terrible,

875
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: Like when I saw the inequity, it bothered me. It

876
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: bothered me, but I wanted to tell those stories as

877
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: opposed to fighting for it in the courtroom. And I

878
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 3: think it was certainly my mother because she lived a

879
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 3: dream deferred because that's what she wanted to do.

880
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 5: Right Is that just a myth our parents sold us?

881
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 2: Because now there are I have I have to say

882
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: that outside of the entertainment profession, a.

883
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 5: Lot of my friends are those.

884
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: Medical students and those law students. Either I played a

885
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: spring fling twenty years ago, like the roots did something

886
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: and then I got to know them professionally whatever, and

887
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: none of them seemed to be living.

888
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 4: Let's talk about it, talk about it.

889
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: Is that a lie that America has taught us? Because

890
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: what's weird is when I last went to.

891
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 9: Cuba, I'm sorry.

892
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 2: When Cuba, my connect there told me that parents grew

893
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: in their kids to be in the hospitality.

894
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 5: Uh. Because when you're a driver, when you're.

895
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: A taxi driver, especially with the way that the economy

896
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: is there, you can. You can you're rich like a

897
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 2: guy like Cuba and rents a driver for a week

898
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: and that's damn near like a year's worth of pay.

899
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 5: For doctors, none of the doctors, right, because.

900
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 3: They get paid the same thing as socialized medicine.

901
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 11: Right Yeah?

902
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like is do lawyers kicking the dough as we've

903
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: been hold and fed?

904
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 3: This way, you can make a significant amount of money

905
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 3: as a lawyer. I know when I first got out

906
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 3: law school, I went to a law firm, and I

907
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 3: mean I was making a ton of money. I hated

908
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: working there. I didn't like it what I was practiced.

909
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: I was practicing litigation, medical malpractice, insurance defense, and so

910
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 3: you it wasn't necessarily boring, but you're basic. We sold

911
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 3: to the highest bidder, right, so you've got these corporations

912
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 3: that can pay you to defend their their maldeeds, their

913
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 3: their misdeeds. And I just felt like I didn't go

914
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 3: to law school and do as well as I did

915
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 3: to defend this. I just I didn't feel good. It

916
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: didn't It didn't feel right. But you can't. You can't

917
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: do quite well. And I think we we have been

918
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: and you know, medical doctors they don't do as well

919
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: as they used to do because of insurance companies. But

920
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 3: it's it was a it's sort of a solid living, right,

921
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: It's like a safe it's a safe job. It's a

922
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 3: safe job. And I mean, my husband's a surgeon, he

923
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 3: loves it. But both of his parents and doctors as well.

924
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: Sister's a doctor. You know, it's sort of the family

925
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 3: business in a sense. But his parents are immigrants, and

926
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 3: that was the dream, you know, you got you become

927
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: a doctor. You're gonna and go to America. You're going

928
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 3: to do really well. And they did. But I think

929
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 3: I don't think that as people of color, we had

930
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 3: we had the My parents at least felt as people

931
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: of color, we didn't have the ability to dream like that, Like,

932
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 3: you're going to try to do what after we've struggled

933
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 3: and skimped and you know, saved to put you through school,

934
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 3: that's what you're gonna do? You want to be on TV?

935
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: It just it made no sense to them that that

936
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 3: that's like a recipe for failure. You could fail doing that,

937
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 3: but if you go to law school and do well,

938
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 3: you can get a job. It's like punching a ticket.

939
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: It seems that's the safe way to do it.

940
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 5: Sounds like somebody.

941
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: I know.

942
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 8: But in a remix though, Now, Sonny, it's funny. I

943
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 8: was listening.

944
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 9: I was talking to a girlfriend who whose son is

945
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 9: in college, and she was kind of a conversation with

946
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 9: him about how we were Traditionally we are told to

947
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 9: go to college, and these kids these days are like, no,

948
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 9: wait a minute, I don't necessarily have to go to

949
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 9: college because I can. I learned how to code to

950
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 9: do this, I can do this. So do you feel

951
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 9: like at the same youtub yeah, we're all being now it's.

952
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 8: Another era of reprogramming, right.

953
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 3: It definitely is another error. I mean, you know, I'm

954
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 3: raising these these generations z kids seventeen and fourteen, about

955
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: same age as nineteen. Right there. You know, they are

956
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 3: different because they have so much information at their fingertips.

957
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 3: They're not looking through encyclopedias. And I feel it's double

958
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 3: edged sword because my son, who's very bright, will like

959
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 3: say something and I'm like, where did you get that?

960
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 3: And he thinks like he he thinks he can. He

961
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: knows more about, you know, an orthopedic injury than his

962
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 3: father because he googles something, you know what I mean,

963
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 3: Like he knows a little better than I do because

964
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 3: he googles something. So they have they have this cavalier

965
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: attitude I think sometimes for its information. But I do

966
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 3: think that they realized that the world is pretty broad,

967
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 3: and you know that they can there are a lot

968
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: of opportunities for them. He even mentioned at one point,

969
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 3: you know, not everybody needs to go to college. But

970
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 3: I will tell you my reaction was, you need to

971
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 3: go to college, because I still think that if you can,

972
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 3: and not everyone can because it's too it's overpriced and

973
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 3: it's not accessible to everyone. And I don't think everyone

974
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: was meant to go to school, you know, to go

975
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 3: to college. You don't necessarily need it, But I think

976
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 3: if you can, it's education can still be an equalizer.

977
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 3: I do believe that it can still be an equalizer.

978
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 3: At least it was for me, and it can provide

979
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 3: tremendous opportunity. And a lot of it is socialization, the

980
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 3: people that you meet there.

981
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 4: That's the big part.

982
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 8: It really is a network.

983
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 7: But now even that's being redefined that now that everyone

984
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 7: is doing we're all doing it from home now. So, yes,

985
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 7: what is college in twenty twenty twenty one? You know

986
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 7: what I mean, It's a different thing.

987
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: It's a different thing. Well, I'll tell you. My son

988
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: decided to take a gap year instead of starting college

989
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 3: because he was, like my husband was dancing up and

990
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 3: jumping up and down because he didn't want to pay

991
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 3: the money anyway. But it's like for virtual and for us,

992
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 3: you know, I thought, well, why should he go to

993
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 3: a college and sit in a dorm room and you

994
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 3: know not and be alone in the dorm room and

995
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 3: then all the classes were going to be virtual and

996
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: he was going to eat in his dorm room. There

997
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: was really not the real college experience. So he decided

998
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 3: to take a gap year because of I think.

999
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 4: Is everybody's gap year. This is all of us is.

1000
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 8: Did y'all see that episode of black Ish that's like

1001
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 8: a whole thing for black people now, even though we're

1002
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 8: doing that.

1003
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the gap year.

1004
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1005
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 3: When he first mentioned it to us, we were like,

1006
00:55:54,239 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 3: you are nominally Obama, that's what you're not going to do. Yeah,

1007
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 3: I was a little I was a little uncomfortable with it,

1008
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 3: but it made sense after a while.

1009
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 6: It's like high school extended.

1010
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 2: But also think I think that I think gen Z

1011
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 2: is also the first generation that you know, my parents

1012
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: were definitely the product of you know, safety and security and.

1013
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,439
Speaker 5: Getting a good job and da da da da fall

1014
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 5: back on that sort of exactly.

1015
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: I think that gen z on will go with their

1016
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: first instincts, their first passions, and yes, roll with it,

1017
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: because yeah, you and I.

1018
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 5: Basically like the same thing.

1019
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 2: Like my dad had plans for me to do something

1020
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 2: way different, and you know, I had to hide for

1021
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: a long time that I was in a rap group

1022
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 2: and all this other stuff.

1023
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 4: No about it, They about it. They've been gen Z.

1024
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 7: They've been watching they've been watching police snuff videos since

1025
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 7: they was twelve, so you know what I mean.

1026
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 4: They you know, I mean it. Yeah, they told me.

1027
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 9: Wait, so let me ask you all a question on

1028
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 9: the sense of that, because since they're reprogramming, reprogramming the

1029
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 9: whole way we're supposed to think now, even on the

1030
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 9: subject of like race and sex. I was gonna ask Sonny,

1031
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 9: how you feel about that, because it's interesting. I was

1032
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 9: just I was watching I don't know, if y'all watch

1033
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 9: this show, I may destroy you or whatever it's said.

1034
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 4: I'm waiting for it to finish. I was gonna just

1035
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 4: take them all day.

1036
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 8: Okay, Well, there's just an episode.

1037
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 9: It's just interesting the way that they're redefining uh, sex,

1038
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 9: sexual assault, things of these nature. And they were talking

1039
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 9: and it was an episode where the girl was having

1040
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 9: sex with someone willingly and he took the condom off, right,

1041
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 9: and so she was like, you assaulted me right now

1042
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 9: rewind ten fifteen years ago, we would just be like

1043
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,919
Speaker 9: that motherfucker is an asshole, fuck you, right, But now

1044
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 9: these kids are like, no, that's assault, and it's just

1045
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 9: everything is different, like this language from sex, race, everything

1046
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 9: is just do you find yourself since you're on TV

1047
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 9: every day playing this catchup game of.

1048
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 3: Trying to absolutely absolutely how do you think. You know,

1049
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 3: I try to remain enlightened. You know, I'm trying. I'm

1050
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 3: trying to plug in all the time and get the

1051
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 3: information and make sure that that I'm growing along with

1052
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 3: with every movement. I will say, you know, I think

1053
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 3: it's really difficult to parent during these times because you know,

1054
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 3: it's it's your it's your worst nightmare. That yeah, you know,

1055
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 3: some of you know, your your your child's accused of

1056
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: assaults or your child is assaulted or not understanding you know,

1057
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 3: the new societal norms. I spend a lot of time

1058
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: talking about consent, talking about what assault is, talking about respect,

1059
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 3: talking about you know, they go to very progressive school though,

1060
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 3: so the school covers a lot of those issues, which

1061
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 3: which is good. But I spent a lot of time

1062
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 3: trying to be informed and try to and making sure

1063
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 3: that they are informed because I think people are very

1064
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 3: awake to their rights, which is a good thing and

1065
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 3: to be ever changing. You know, we got into an

1066
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 3: argument like this on the show, but like what is PC.

1067
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, in my view, you know, people

1068
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 3: used to be able to say whatever they wanted to

1069
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 3: other people, and now people are like, nah, I don't

1070
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 3: say that to me, and I think respect is at

1071
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 3: the core of so many things, and I've been making

1072
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 3: sure that my kids really fundamentally understand other people's rights

1073
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 3: and respect that, because that's where I think we're just missing.

1074
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 3: We're losing a lot in terms of our respect for

1075
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: each other. And we know it comes from the top.

1076
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 3: We know what we're seeing lately, but that's a fundamental problem.

1077
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 5: If I heard correctly, you said that your kids are

1078
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 5: seventeen and fourteen. Yeah, yeah, it might be the norm

1079
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 5: right now, but if you can go back to like

1080
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 5: twenty and sixteen, November of twenty sixteen, how did you

1081
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 5: explain to them suddenly what was happening?

1082
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: Like I can't even imagine viewing the world, especially coming

1083
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Speaker 2: from where they came where they were, Yeah, a formative

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01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: age coming.

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Speaker 5: Up in the Obama years.

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01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: In no way am I ever saying that that was

1088
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: a rosy time either. But it seemed like a more

1089
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: manageable time, and it seemed like we were headed in

1090
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: the right direction.

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01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean it's what was wonderful, wasn't it

1092
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Speaker 3: That I felt it was wonderful that my children had

1093
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 3: for their first for their cognitive years, they saw black president, right.

1094
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 3: I thought it was wonderful.

1095
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 2: You know, how do you expel life to them now

1096
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 2: that the rugs seemingly been pulled from underneath them, or

1097
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 2: even not even twenty sixteen, like the idea of the riots.

1098
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Speaker 5: And how do you how do you explain that to them?

1099
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Speaker 3: Well, my children, probably because of their mommy, are are

1100
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 3: very are social activists and their advocates. You know, my

1101
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 3: son was involved in a sit in at a school

1102
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. They're very well read. In fact,

1103
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 3: it was part of his It got so much press

1104
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 3: that it had to become part of his college essay,

1105
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 3: and when he was interviewed, almost every college interview brought

1106
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 3: brought it up and brought up this question, you know,

1107
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 3: like what made you want to become an activist? And

1108
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 3: his answer really was that he felt that there was

1109
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 3: a backlash to the fact that there was a black president.

1110
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Speaker 3: And my kids were very very noticeably shape by the

1111
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 3: back what they perceived as a backlash. And my daughter,

1112
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:11,479
Speaker 3: who she's only fourteen, but she said she feels that

1113
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 3: this sort of you know, there's like a pendulum that swings,

1114
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: and that there were people in our country that felt

1115
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 3: that Obama being president for eight years, took the pendulum

1116
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 3: too far, and they wanted to bring it all the

1117
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 3: way back. And that was a really interesting perspective that

1118
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,439
Speaker 3: I hadn't even thought of that way, that that's why

1119
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 3: we're seeing these extremes, because they thought that that was

1120
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 3: that extreme. So I will say, I don't even know

1121
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 3: that I had to reconcile it for them. I think

1122
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 3: because they have so much information and they're so interested

1123
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 3: in the information, at least my children, they formulated their

1124
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 3: own opinions early, very early. I remember in November twenty sixteen,

1125
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 3: I was bereft, was very upset, and you know, they

1126
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 3: were like, how could this happen? He's such a joke,

1127
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 3: he said horrible things. Who would vote for him? There

1128
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 3: were things like that. You know, they were like, but

1129
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 3: he didn't. He didn't really win. Like they were trying

1130
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 3: to really make sense of the process. Even then, even

1131
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, Well.

1132
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: It should be noted that you at least had your

1133
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: parents cake and you ate it too. By stepping into

1134
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 2: the television journalism world, starting with Core TV and.

1135
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 5: Ley Factor.

1136
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like okay, so what was factor that you

1137
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 2: should take this to.

1138
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 5: A higher level and kind of get to.

1139
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 2: Your dreams, Like, what was the what was that moment

1140
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 2: where you were where I obviously you were like, you know, well,

1141
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: I am going to pursue the journalism.

1142
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah.

1143
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 12: It was.

1144
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 3: And I write in the book that I always know

1145
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 3: when I'm in the right place, when it feels like home,

1146
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 3: when it feels right, when I'm comfortable, it feels good.

1147
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 3: The law firms didn't feel good, The Justice Department felt good.

1148
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 3: It felt like I was doing the good work, making

1149
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 3: good trouble. But then after I had my first child,

1150
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 3: I was really blowing in the wind, and I went

1151
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 3: back and went to another law firm making a lot

1152
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 3: of money, which was stupid to go back to a

1153
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 3: place I knew I wouldn't feel like home, and I

1154
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 3: was searching. But in the back of my mind, I

1155
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 3: have to tell you, I knew that I needed to

1156
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 3: follow my passion. And I went to a meeting of

1157
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 3: lawyers and had the good fortune of meeting a television

1158
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 3: producer there from Court TV, who said, you've got to

1159
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 3: you know, you should be on television. And I took

1160
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 3: that opportunity and I seized it, and I really never

1161
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 3: let it go. I just I just never let it go,

1162
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 3: and I just kept on doing it, and I kind

1163
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 3: of got discovered that way, which is unusual, right. You know,

1164
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 3: you meet you meet a television producer, and you're on

1165
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 3: TV the next week, and then it never it never

1166
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 3: goes away. And I feel like that's because it was

1167
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 3: my true calling and it was something that I was

1168
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: supposed to do. But I also had the benefit of

1169
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 3: being married to an orthopedic surgeon who could pay the

1170
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 3: bills and who could hold it down, hold it down

1171
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 3: for me, and who was willing to do that because

1172
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 3: he basically had a talk and I was like, I

1173
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 3: think I'm leaving this law firm and this has been

1174
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 3: a dream of mine and I want to do it.

1175
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 3: And he basically said, all right, let's talk tonight. Got home,

1176
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 3: pulled up budgets and pulled up savings accounts, and he

1177
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 3: was like okay. And he had just started his own practice,

1178
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 3: and he was like, well, you know, and we had

1179
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 3: just bought a house and we just had a baby,

1180
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 3: two babies at that point, and he said, I can

1181
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 3: hold it down for about three years. You think you could,

1182
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 3: You think you could make it in three years? You

1183
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 3: have to make what you now three years and I said, yeah,

1184
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 3: I think I can. I said, then do it all right? Communication,

1185
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 3: that's significant, right, that's significant. Now, I don't know that

1186
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 3: a lot of people with you know, so he may

1187
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 3: have been.

1188
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 11: He may have been short, but he wasn't short on

1189
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 11: cash and the.

1190
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 4: Moral to this story and.

1191
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 9: To the baby journalists out there too, Sonny, not to

1192
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 9: say that you were also like still doing the work,

1193
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 9: like you were going to NABJ. You was doing some

1194
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:34,919
Speaker 9: of the stuff that to say, all these other baby

1195
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 9: journalists are doing too.

1196
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 3: Yes, you gotta do it, you gotta do it. And

1197
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 3: I continue to do it. I continue to go to

1198
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 3: an I go to n h n h J I do.

1199
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 3: I continue to go to the I go to local meetings.

1200
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 3: I go. You got you have to you have to

1201
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 3: do it. You have to do the work, you know.

1202
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 3: I I text people what do you think about this?

1203
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 3: What do you think about that? You know? I mean,

1204
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 3: now I have it just a wonderful circle of of

1205
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 3: you know, other sister girl journalists who you know, we're

1206
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 3: we're actually on this text chain and we go back

1207
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 3: and put political journalists as well. We go back and forth.

1208
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 3: You know, can you review this from me? What do

1209
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 3: you think about this position. What do you think about that?

1210
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 3: And it's uh, you know, Joy Read has been.

1211
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 8: I was just about to ask you how was that?

1212
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 9: I was about to say, how was that Zoom party?

1213
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 9: First week she broke them records? I just oh my god.

1214
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 9: And then had a good time the first show that

1215
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 9: she did with all the black mayors, I was like, oh,

1216
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 9: they couldn't wait to do her episode.

1217
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 8: They was like, girl, what you need us.

1218
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 3: For watching together? It was so amazing. You know, we

1219
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 3: pop champagne with Joy after, you know, And she's been.

1220
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 3: She's been great. She's not only a friend but an inspiration.

1221
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 3: You know, she's doing such amazing things, amazing work. But

1222
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 3: I have that circle that I can still depend on

1223
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 3: and count on. And I say, young journalists, you've got

1224
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 3: to keep that network tight and and help each other.

1225
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 3: It is important.

1226
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, since you're probably the only person that I know

1227
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 2: of that I'm in conversation with that is any proximity

1228
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 2: towards the Fox building?

1229
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:25,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have to ask, all right, in general?

1230
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:31,480
Speaker 2: Is it is there general modus operandi that they believe

1231
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 2: what they're saying or they know better, but will still

1232
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 2: say toxic talking points for the sake of their bottom line,

1233
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 2: which is and specifically you know, I know that you

1234
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 2: were a pundit. I don't even want to paint that

1235
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 2: you were oftentimes you were debating against Yeah, what you know?

1236
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 2: First of all, how do they find do they find

1237
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 2: legitimate people that have yeh, like, how.

1238
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,440
Speaker 5: Did how do backgrounds?

1239
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1240
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, they found they found me on Court TV. They

1241
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 3: saw me on COURTV. Yes, there are some legitimate people.

1242
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean Chris Wallace is there. I actually

1243
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 3: think he's one of the finest journalists out there today.

1244
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 3: I thought Sheef Smith was great as well, and I

1245
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 3: worked with him. I thought he was he was excellent.

1246
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 3: I think it's a mixed bag over there. I think

1247
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 3: there are some people who are saying these irresponsible things

1248
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 3: that aren't as talented as they should be, and they're

1249
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 3: doing it for ratings and for their bottom line. I

1250
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 3: also think there are some that really believe that, that

1251
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 3: are indoctrinated and truly truly believe it. My experience there

1252
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 3: was that you'd walk in the building and there was

1253
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,600
Speaker 3: a collective there were collective points that they wanted to

1254
01:09:55,640 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 3: make that day, collective points like on whiteboards. These are

1255
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 3: the three points and themes that everyone is going to

1256
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 3: cover in their shows in various ways. Pundits are going

1257
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 3: to talk to it, guests are going to speak to it,

1258
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 3: the anchors are going to pontificate about it. And they

1259
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 3: were marching orders. That's when Ales was there. Maybe different now,

1260
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 3: but those were the marching orders, and everybody marched to

1261
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 3: those orders. It was it was like sort of a

1262
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 3: monolithic view, and that was Roger Ayles's view, and then

1263
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 3: they would have a couple of people like me, maybe

1264
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 3: Wan Williams to kind of mix it up a little bit. Yeah,

1265
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,759
Speaker 3: but by and large, I think it's a mixed bag,

1266
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 3: and that some people just do it for ratings, but

1267
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 3: they all and and if you're doing it, in my opinion,

1268
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 3: for just ratings, you've sold your soul. You know, you're

1269
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 3: just you're just inauthentic, You're you're even worse than the

1270
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 3: people that really believe it, right, And and then there

1271
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 3: are people that I believe, really believe it. I do.

1272
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 2: So knowing the fight and the struggle that we have

1273
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 2: in the next four months and what's working against the

1274
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 2: fight and whatnot, you know, how do you see where journalism,

1275
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 2: be it news sources, be it the blattosphere, be it podcasts,

1276
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 2: be it talk shows, discussion shows, which there are plenty

1277
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 2: of now on television. How do you how do you

1278
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 2: feel as though how effective that they will be?

1279
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:49,759
Speaker 3: Oh, well, very effective. We know that we know Fox

1280
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 3: has been extraordinarily effective, and we know there are other

1281
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 3: programs that are extraordinarily effective. I will say this, I

1282
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 3: think that there's a difference between journalists and punditry, right

1283
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 3: journalism and commentators, journalists and commentators, and it's the line

1284
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 3: is so blurry for people intentionally, so that the media

1285
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 3: and network news and cable news, we all have to

1286
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 3: be very careful, I think, and letting people know that

1287
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 3: this is a piece of commentary, This is an opinion piece,

1288
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 3: This is an op ed as opposed to these are

1289
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 3: the yes, these are the facts. Network Yeah, I'm finding

1290
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 3: you know, by and large. And I was talking to

1291
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 3: a couple of my journalist's friends, TJ. Holmes, I don't

1292
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 3: know if you know him, and Robert Roberts and and

1293
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 3: Pierre Thomas. You know, these are journalists and they're really

1294
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 3: concerned about that too. Lindsay Davis, who moderated one of

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Speaker 3: the debates, I think she was really our best mind

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Speaker 3: operator that we've seen in the debates she had that

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Speaker 3: fly white suit. But you know, journalists need to continue

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Speaker 3: doing that job, just the facts, man. And I also

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Speaker 3: think there is an important space for shows like my show.

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Speaker 3: I mean, when I'm not reporting on something, I am

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Speaker 3: giving my opinion. The View is an opinion show, and

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Speaker 3: we make it clear that these are our opinions. These

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Speaker 3: are our views. There's a really important place for that

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Speaker 3: to have that lively discussion so that you can hear

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Speaker 3: those views but then make your mind up yourself. I

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Speaker 3: tried to be very fact based in my arguments on

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Speaker 3: the view, not emotion right, because fact trump emotion. No

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Speaker 3: pun intended every single time, every single time you come

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Speaker 3: at me with your emotional argument, I'm going to tell you,

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Speaker 3: but these are the facts. Boom boom boom boom.

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Speaker 8: Can tell you the best example.

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I don't mean, I'm just going to tell

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Speaker 9: you the example that that was that conversation between Tip

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Speaker 9: I want to say, Tiffany.

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Speaker 8: Cross is Tips Gray Cross and Whoopy Goldberg.

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Speaker 9: About why we need and I know you've been very

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Speaker 9: vocal on their needs black female VP.

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Speaker 3: And the not woman of color black. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yes, because of course MS duck Wader will make a

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Speaker 9: great Secretary of Defense.

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Speaker 8: And she would excellent, and she would.

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Speaker 3: But we need a black agenda. We need a reconciliation

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Speaker 3: for the black community. You know. One thing that's really

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Speaker 3: fascinating to me about this, this discussion of black VP

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Speaker 3: and I have been very vocal, I was we were

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Speaker 3: the first group to write an op ed in the

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Speaker 3: Washington Post about the need for uh. We started that conversation.

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Speaker 3: It was I wrote it with Tiffany I wrote it

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Speaker 3: with Angela Raie, Amanda Seals, Brittany Packet Cunningham, who's brilliant,

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Speaker 3: Latasha Brown, one of the co founders of Black Lives Matter,

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Speaker 3: and we got together. We're on a thread talking God,

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Speaker 3: we got to make this happen. And we all agreed,

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Speaker 3: and I reached out to you know, Donald Brazil, minyet more,

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Speaker 3: all these people, and we you know, we have a

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Speaker 3: we have a Black women think tank, we really do,

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Speaker 3: and it was we need He's promised this black Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court justice. That's great, but you're not getting the black

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court justice unless you have the Senate. Okay, So

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Speaker 3: that's that's a lusory promise. What we need is representation

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Speaker 3: at the table at the table in the White House,

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Speaker 3: and because black women are the backbone of the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 3: brought Joe Biden to the barbecue, resurrected his campaign in

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Speaker 3: South Carolina. Oh, I've spoken to her as well. We

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Speaker 3: deserve that seat at the table. And for people to

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Speaker 3: say somehow that it's not about race and it's about

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Speaker 3: the most qualified. We've been hearing that argument all the time.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing is every single voting block with

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Speaker 3: power has a lobby and makes demands before they will

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Speaker 3: provide their vote. Right, So you've got the gun lobby,

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Speaker 3: you've got the evangelicals, all those boots will say we

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Speaker 3: will support you. Maybe not their gun lobby now, but

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01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 3: we will support you if you give me this. Why

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01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 3: is it when black women say we will support you.

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Speaker 3: We will organize, we will bring our husbands and our children,

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01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 3: and our sisters and our parents to vote during a

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01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 3: global pandemic risking our lives. But you must give us

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01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 3: this representative in the White House. We are somehow asking

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01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,759
Speaker 3: for too much. We're not doing anything else that any

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Speaker 3: other voting block with power does. So I just I

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Speaker 3: don't understand why there's been such pushback with that demand,

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Speaker 3: because it's not a request. It's not a request, it's

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Speaker 3: a demand that any other strong voting block makes. And

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Speaker 3: now is the time because once he's in the White House,

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Speaker 3: I mean the black agenda, what is really the Black agenda?

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Speaker 3: And if you've read Joe Biden's agenda, it's okay, it's

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Speaker 3: a little squishy, it's not as specific as it should be.

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Speaker 3: And you know, he has he's an imperfect candidate, and

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Speaker 3: he has a lot to atone for when it comes

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Speaker 3: to the treatment of Anita Hill, and it comes to

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Speaker 3: the crime bill, and it comes topiration that has a

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Speaker 3: lot to atone for. And I think, because you know,

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Speaker 3: no other candidate in the past fifty years Democratic candidate

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Speaker 3: has one without the Black vote, he needs to win

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Speaker 3: overwhelmingly because if not, the current occupant in the White

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Speaker 3: House is going to have to be you know, it's

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Speaker 3: not going to walk it out. Black people got to

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Speaker 3: risk their lives to vote now, got to stand in

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Speaker 3: line because of COVID, because of all the attack on

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Speaker 3: on on mail and voting. And I don't think people

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Speaker 3: are going to be as energized with Tammy dug Worth

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Speaker 3: with you.

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Speaker 4: Know, I'm concerned.

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Speaker 5: I think Vice President and yeah, either in the Senate

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Speaker 5: or as Attorney general or.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, I think that Kamala We've seen her.

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Speaker 3: She is certainly the prosecutor in chief. I know her.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, California is a lock for Democratic senator.

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Speaker 3: I'm not concerned about Kamala being in the Senate. I

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01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 3: think she can be much more effective as vice president

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Speaker 3: and I'd like to see her debate Vice President Pence.

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Speaker 3: I think she's a really strong candidate in terms of

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Speaker 3: being ready to occupy occupy the oval because not everyone

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Speaker 3: you know is Joe Biden is not immortal, and I'm

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Speaker 3: not an agist, but he is going to be seventy eight,

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01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 3: and what he needs to think about is not the

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Speaker 3: next four years. He needs to think about the next

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Speaker 3: eight and the next twelve because in three and a

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Speaker 3: half years, the Trump administration has undone eight years of

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Speaker 3: what the Obama administration did or was allowed to do. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, you need someone that's able to kind of

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Speaker 3: step in and I just don't know that, you know,

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Speaker 3: and step in and run because she has run the

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Speaker 3: AG's office, you know, she she she has the experience

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Speaker 3: to run. Out of all the candidates that I've seen.

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Speaker 3: I think she has she has the experience to run

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Speaker 3: a country. That's just my take.

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Speaker 7: What are your thoughts on Valve Demis. I thought she was.

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Speaker 3: I've interviewed val I think she's great. I think if

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01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:03,560
Speaker 3: you look at How's law enforcement record, it's a little problematic,

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Speaker 3: it's a little problem. It can be.

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Speaker 13: More than who's yes, yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: I mean if you if you look at Kamala's I've

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01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 3: read Kamala's book, and the thing is, you know, you

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Speaker 3: get the black prosecutors get a certain rap talk. Yeah,

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01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 3: black prosecutors get a certain rap right, because unfortunately, there

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Speaker 3: is the problem of mass incarceration. We know that black

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Speaker 3: men are twice as likely as white men to get arrested.

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01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 3: We know about broken window policing, and so that's a

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01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 3: systemic problem. And when you're prosecutor, you have to enforce

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01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 3: the law. Laws are changed through legislation. Prosecutors don't get

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01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 3: to change the law. What you do get to do

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01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 3: is you get to make you have prosecutorial discussion. So

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Speaker 3: you know, when I was a prosper, there were if

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Speaker 3: I saw someone, a cop comes to me and he's

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Speaker 3: got a confession. But the mugshot shows that the guy

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Speaker 3: has two black guys. I'm not taking that case to trial.

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Speaker 3: Even if I think, huh, you know, he probably did it.

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Speaker 3: If I only have that confession and he's been beaten

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Speaker 3: up to get it, I have the discretion to say,

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Speaker 3: this is not how you get to police. If you

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Speaker 3: look at what Kamala did, she really was instrumental in

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Speaker 3: changing the way things were done in California, to her credit,

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01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 3: working within that system, because sometimes you can't just blow

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01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 3: up systems, you have to work within it. So I

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Speaker 3: often say, you know, the black prosecutor. Prosecutor is the

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Speaker 3: person with the most power in the room. People think

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01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 3: it's the judge. He ain't the judge. People think, oh,

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Speaker 3: I got to get a good defense attorney. You need

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01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 3: a prosecutor on that side of the table in that

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Speaker 3: courtroom to make the right charging decisions, to make the

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Speaker 3: right recommend you know, sentencing recommendation. That's what you need.

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Speaker 3: I will tell you that in my time as a prosecutor,

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Speaker 3: I didn't charge people who you know, I put people

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Speaker 3: in drug diversion programs. I looked at the whole person.

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01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 3: Because I'm from those neighborhoods. I know the decisions that

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01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 3: people make are not just because they're inherently bad. I know,

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01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 3: you know some of them are born in poverty. I

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01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 3: know what goes into all of this. So I think

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Speaker 3: that However, when you look at val Deming's record, there

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01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 3: were a lot of problems in her police department, but

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Speaker 3: she had the ability to change that and a lot

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Speaker 3: of those changes didn't necessarily happen. So I think she's

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01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 3: a great candidate, but she's you know, she's going to

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01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 3: come up if he chooses her that it's going to

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01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 3: be a little problematic when it comes to her history

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Speaker 3: with law enforcement, considering the reckoning that's going on now

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Speaker 3: in our country.

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Speaker 8: But that's Sonny. You did the same thing for me,

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01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 8: for with Amy Klobash. Are you just.

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Speaker 3: Like but that's interesting? Do you know that before I

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01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 3: interviewed her, people say it was cross examination. I single

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01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 3: handedly undid her campaign, and her campaign was very upset

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Speaker 3: after her appearance on our show. I mean, she was

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01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 3: never questioned about her prosecutorial background in the way that

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01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 3: Kamala was. She was never questioned about it until she

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01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 3: came on the show. And do you know how I

1467
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 3: found out about it. They buried her team had buried

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01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 3: that case my Burrell's case. Black activists d m me

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01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 3: dm me on social media and said, we hear that

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Speaker 3: Amy's going on the show. Can I send you some

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Speaker 3: documents about a case? I said sure. And sometimes I

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Speaker 3: don't even look at Twitter. I don't even look at everything,

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01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 3: you know. I just happened to be looking at it

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01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 3: and I read my husband will tell you. I mean,

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01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 3: I was up all night. I couldn't I couldn't believe it.

1476
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god. And you know, I

1477
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 3: think her campaign felt that I ambushed them. And I

1478
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 3: heard there's a CNN document or HBO Max documentary now,

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01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 3: and CNN told some of their reporters that they can't

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01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 3: believe they got scooped by a talk show host, which

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01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 3: was kind of infuriating because I am a legal journalist

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01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 3: federal prosecutor, So I was like, what are they talking about? Yeah,

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01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 3: come on now, and you work on CNN, so I'm

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01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 3: gonna need them there. And I worked there, and you

1485
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 3: know it is the number one talk show in the country. Yeah,

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01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 3: that part, But I was surprised that I was the

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01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 3: first journalist to bring it up. But everybody's bringing up

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01:24:55,520 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 3: Kamala's record. So black women do get examined in a

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01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 3: in a way that is very different than white women,

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01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 3: especially during this time when of vetting. And I think

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01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 3: Valerie Jarrett just came out with an initiative for the

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01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 3: media called something like we have we have her back,

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01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 3: and they're saying, if he picks a woman, especially a

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01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 3: woman of color, media, you are to profile and report accordingly. Yeah,

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01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 3: you are to do your jobs professionally and ethically. And

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Speaker 3: I think it was really important for her to say

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01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 3: that because I do not think that Kamala I don't

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01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 3: think that representative bass. I don't think that Stacy Abrams

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01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 3: got got about Deming's got appropriate treatment in the media.

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Speaker 3: I really don't believe they did.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask oftentimes when I do watch news programs,

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Speaker 2: sometimes I just wish that And I know that we're

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01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 2: supposed to you know, when they go low we go

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Speaker 2: high end quote.

1505
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 4: Fuck all that.

1506
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 5: But I'm just saying that, you know, can't we and we.

1507
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:38,560
Speaker 2: As in whoever we we is in twenty twenty, why.

1508
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 5: Are we playing as dirty or as devious.

1509
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 4: And I don't mean as effective even yeah, as effective

1510
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 4: and as.

1511
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:51,640
Speaker 2: Effective as It's almost like we already know that we

1512
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 2: already know what's in line to sure another.

1513
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 5: Four years in November.

1514
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 2: And it's kind of like watching those old you know,

1515
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 2: dully do right Snuffley with where you know our future

1516
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 2: is on this uh conveyor belt headed towards a mule

1517
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:19,719
Speaker 2: sawt thing. And it's it's why can't we play as dirty?

1518
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 5: Why can't we you know that's too loaded of a.

1519
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 3: No, it's not for me, you know, Joy Behar and

1520
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 3: I talk about this all the time. She's like, when

1521
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 3: they go low, we need to go low. She's futilistic, right,

1522
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 3: I tend to disagree. I just think it's it's I

1523
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 3: do I think that with facts on your side, with

1524
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:52,520
Speaker 3: the law on your side, you don't have to play dirty.

1525
01:27:52,760 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 7: But it's like truth, come on, man, Like truth now

1526
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 7: is everyone, you know, the dangerous thing, Like everyone picks

1527
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 7: their own facts now, like it's not even.

1528
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 5: Is the winner?

1529
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, and even kind of to your point earlier, Sonny

1530
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 7: about you know you were talking about, you know, the

1531
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 7: difference between journalism and entertainment. I think that's kind of

1532
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 7: a big, you know, kind of problem because you know,

1533
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 7: I mean I was a journalism major like in college,

1534
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 7: and you know, one of the things I see now

1535
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 7: and a lot of other like writers have talked about

1536
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 7: it of just kind of you have the conflation of

1537
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 7: journalism versus entertainment, where one is often masquerading as the other,

1538
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like we don't have a

1539
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 7: twenty four hour news cycle because of journalism. That shit

1540
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 7: is entertainment, you know what I mean. It's not it is,

1541
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. So I think that is

1542
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 7: where the kind of going lower thing comes in, because

1543
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 7: it's like you kind of have to use we're not

1544
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 7: playing the same rules don't apply anymore like as they

1545
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 7: as they used to.

1546
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 3: Everything aim has changed, that is true. But I just

1547
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 3: don't I think that if everyone is cheating, then you

1548
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 3: truly have the devolution of society, Like there has to

1549
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 3: be these standards and and and that's the that's the problem,

1550
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 3: you know. I don't think we can I certainly think

1551
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 3: we can combat, Like if you're going to go low,

1552
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 3: I can be pugilistic and hit you back. I don't

1553
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 3: know that I need to go lower, you know, I

1554
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 3: just I believe that, yeah, I can hit back, But

1555
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 3: I agree, I don't agree that you need to resort

1556
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 3: to trickery. I don't think you need to and the rules.

1557
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 3: I don't like that.

1558
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,879
Speaker 5: I just so Kanye is not scaring you right now.

1559
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,040
Speaker 3: For Kanye, I mean.

1560
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 8: From but he hasn't.

1561
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 9: Can't do that with somebody with mental illness, Like that's okay.

1562
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 3: Maybe.

1563
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 4: Be true, can be true?

1564
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 14: Suffering that yeah, really really suffering. He's really suffering. And

1565
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 14: I think what's important, what's really unfortunate is.

1566
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:36,879
Speaker 3: That you know, he's not getting the help he needs,

1567
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 3: right and he can't. He's not getting it.

1568
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:42,640
Speaker 9: And it's hard to help a grown person with a

1569
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 9: lot of money and power to like that's the whole

1570
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 9: thing you.

1571
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 3: Do institutionalized, like Sonny, you can, you can clear this up.

1572
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 9: But he literally has to physically hurt himself or somebody

1573
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 9: for him to be forcibly hospitalized.

1574
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,759
Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, he has to be a danger to himself

1575
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 3: or others in California.

1576
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:04,679
Speaker 5: Rob, I don't.

1577
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 8: Know he is.

1578
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 3: He is, just I mean it is. And think about

1579
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 3: his old music, right, I mean, oh, I mean you

1580
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 3: know I could listen to it. I thought I thought

1581
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 3: it was like masterful, some of it was masterful. And

1582
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 3: now you look at him and you're like, he is

1583
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 3: really suffering. My son was upstairs, he was working out

1584
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 3: and he was listening to I can't remember. The song

1585
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 3: was like building They're building tunnels up underwall.

1586
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 4: Nia Men.

1587
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 3: I noticed Nigga here with that ship, like he's sick.

1588
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 3: I think he.

1589
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 7: I think he is exactly who he has always been.

1590
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:48,600
Speaker 3: I think so. I think.

1591
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. I'm not negating any of that.

1592
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 4: I'm not.

1593
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 7: I'm not I'm not negating any of that. I'm just

1594
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 7: saying just in my very limited view of him. And

1595
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 7: as I've always said this, before he started all this

1596
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 7: stupid Trump ship, you know when people always ask me,

1597
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,719
Speaker 7: because you know, we work with each other very early,

1598
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 7: you know, on in his career, before you know, he

1599
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 7: was Kanye Kanye. And the thing that I've been always

1600
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 7: telling people for years, you know, when people talk about

1601
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 7: the old Kanye versus the new Kanye, the thing I

1602
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,640
Speaker 7: would always say is, like, listen, man, Kanye is the

1603
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 7: same dude he has always been. It's just now he

1604
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 7: has much more power, influence, and a bigger platform to

1605
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 7: be who he is. He's just become more of who

1606
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 7: he already was. So by my estimation, there is no

1607
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 7: old Kanye, New Kanye. It's the same dude, just with

1608
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:42,480
Speaker 7: much more resources, you know, at his disposal Kanye.

1609
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 8: Sick Kanye though I don't know what.

1610
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 2: Kanye then, yeah, facts.

1611
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 3: He's gotta be sick. I mean if you saw that

1612
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 3: that I don't know what campaign speech whatever was, I mean,

1613
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 3: someone is such Yeah, he was in such pain. I

1614
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 3: was like, oh my gosh, it's interest.

1615
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 9: In the way it's resulting in this this racial thing.

1616
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 9: Because even in that speech, the way he was treating

1617
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 9: that black girl versus that it.

1618
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 3: Was, I just couldnt believe that he's, well, that's not

1619
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,799
Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, I believe he's I think, just don't believe.

1620
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 4: I don't get into it. Is it well sick.

1621
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 7: You don't have to believe that he's well, just believe

1622
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 7: that he's Kanye.

1623
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 8: I believe that.

1624
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what the fuck it is.

1625
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 7: And like, we ain't got time for this silly shit now, bro,

1626
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:36,599
Speaker 7: Like come on, man, no, we are we are.

1627
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 3: Less than one hundred days from the election, and and

1628
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:43,719
Speaker 3: and we we I think as a community desperately need

1629
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,839
Speaker 3: Joe Biden. Even though he may be an imperfect candidate,

1630
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 3: we need him to win. And someone even you know,

1631
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:54,440
Speaker 3: working against that, even sick is problematic.

1632
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 8: We look at the way we came together on that.

1633
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 8: That was beautiful.

1634
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I'm about to get here and argue with

1635
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 4: my people.

1636
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 9: No, that's that's how funny be on the view. I

1637
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 9: ain't gonna argue with what'll be on TV.

1638
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 4: We'll do it, I know, I know, take it to

1639
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 4: the group chat.

1640
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 2: I will say that. Uh it's it's before we let

1641
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 2: you go. It's really endearing to watch you guys via

1642
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:28,639
Speaker 2: your social media platforms during game night. I'm very envious

1643
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 2: these monopoly games, like for real, Like it's my dream.

1644
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:38,639
Speaker 2: I I live with a bunch of people who believe

1645
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 2: in going to bed at like nine pm. Oh they

1646
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 2: go to they go to bed early, they wake up

1647
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 2: at five in the morning and meditating all that stuff.

1648
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 5: And you know, like I just want one.

1649
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 2: I want one good game night where I can flip

1650
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 2: over the monopoly table if I'm losing.

1651
01:34:55,640 --> 01:35:00,560
Speaker 8: Like is that what the family? Or is that what?

1652
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 5: Ye whatever?

1653
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 3: I mean.

1654
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 5: We tried game nights, but you know everyone's.

1655
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:10,600
Speaker 3: At your house. No, we we get we get a

1656
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 3: little crazy. We're competitive by nature competitive everybody. My father

1657
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:19,759
Speaker 3: I posted yesterday we had a game night with my father.

1658
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 3: He started trash talking about ten minutes is a game.

1659
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 3: I was like, you haven't played Clue in a minute?

1660
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 3: Are you trash talking? He's like, yeah, yeah, keep on playing,

1661
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 3: keep on playing. It's just it's just kind of a

1662
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 3: family dynamic that we have. Oh we play Clue. Let

1663
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 3: me just just ignorant. But it's been such a wonderful

1664
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 3: thing for us because you know, Manny usually leaves very

1665
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 3: early in the morning to see patients. I usually leave early.

1666
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 3: The kids are you know, they're athletes, so they're they're

1667
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 3: constantly running. This has been the first time in years.

1668
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 3: The one silber lining for us is that we are

1669
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 3: home together, and we've been home together for months and uh,

1670
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, thank you, he's cut, he's cute. I know,

1671
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 3: it's so ridiculous, those two, but I I love that we,

1672
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 3: you know, we've all been able to spend that time together.

1673
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 3: And like, the kids are serious about family game Night.

1674
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 3: They're like, Thursday night is family get Like they decide

1675
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 3: when we're going to play, and they decide what we're

1676
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 3: going to play.

1677
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 8: The top three games because we need some new suggestions.

1678
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 3: For this and I would say probably it's a toss

1679
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 3: up between Pictionary and you.

1680
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 4: Know, about to say.

1681
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 7: Tules were stacking. The only thing is you got to stack.

1682
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 7: The only thing is you stacked with the same sweet.

1683
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 7: So if it's a draw too, I can stack a

1684
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 7: draw to, but you can't put a draw.

1685
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 4: Four on top of draw to it.

1686
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 5: I go get it with it.

1687
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 3: Draws the same.

1688
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 4: That you use this niggas that used to read with

1689
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 4: their fingers under the word.

1690
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 3: The family game night.

1691
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 4: It's good.

1692
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:33,679
Speaker 6: That one.

1693
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 4: That's good for the coffee table book.

1694
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:46,679
Speaker 2: What is the one thing that you've adjusted to since

1695
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 2: March or during the quarantine that you haven't before that

1696
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:55,520
Speaker 2: you're that's now part of your regular repertoire.

1697
01:37:56,640 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 3: I've started I've always cooked it, but I cookle up more.

1698
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 3: And I will say I started walking and running again.

1699
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 3: You know, remember I said I used was training for

1700
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 3: a marathon when I when I met my husband in church.

1701
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 3: It's been a long time since I. I have done

1702
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 3: it consistently, and I find that, you know, the one

1703
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 3: thing that kind of does give me a little self

1704
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 3: care is to try to exercise a little bit a little.

1705
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 3: I don't like to sweat that much, honestly, but running

1706
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 3: or walking a couple of miles a day, it's uh,

1707
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 3: it feels that feels good, and it's something that I

1708
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:41,720
Speaker 3: just almost didn't make the time for before. Didn't just

1709
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, I didn't I stop doing that. So

1710
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,719
Speaker 3: I would say that that's different for me a little

1711
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 3: bit of what it's fantastic. It's probably award winning if

1712
01:38:57,160 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 3: I entered it into something.

1713
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 4: Let's talk about it.

1714
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 15: Yes, uh shoulder, Yeah, you can sit well, and I don't.

1715
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 3: I certainly can make that everybody that's my usually Thanksgiving

1716
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 3: and Christmas, I throw that, you know, into the mix,

1717
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 3: but I will make it especially for you.

1718
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 9: Okay, Well, Sonny, just ask you a quick technical question. Way,

1719
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:32,559
Speaker 9: y'all are taping the view, so are you you're still

1720
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 9: at They just.

1721
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 8: Gave y'all one background.

1722
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,880
Speaker 3: I know they just looked it up, didn't they, Because

1723
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 3: it wasn't always like that, like y'ating we're still at home.

1724
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 3: What they did was when they realized that we would

1725
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,599
Speaker 3: we would be doing this all season and probably likely

1726
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 3: into next season as well, they brought equipment into our homes.

1727
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 3: I mean, people had has Mad suits on. It was

1728
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 3: really impressive. And ABC basically set trucks with equipment and

1729
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 3: people and has Mad suits to everyone's home. And no,

1730
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 3: they put them in, like they built these kind of

1731
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 3: mini studios and each host home and so we have

1732
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 3: a big screen behind us. It's not a green screen,

1733
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:18,040
Speaker 3: it's actually a huge monitor that that we have a

1734
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 3: picture of where we generally the background of where we

1735
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 3: generally sit on the show.

1736
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 12: It's so, and then we have our lighting, and I

1737
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 12: mean they basically made sure that we could continue doing

1738
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 12: the show remotely.

1739
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:41,560
Speaker 3: And you know, there's been a couple of little glitches

1740
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 3: because it's hard because you don't want to speak over

1741
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 3: each other, and so it's it's a little bit difficult.

1742
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 3: But we do not have monitors. We have prompter. Now

1743
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 3: we have feedback where we can see each other. The

1744
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 3: first month we didn't have that and then it just

1745
01:40:56,120 --> 01:41:01,439
Speaker 3: they came in fixed it. And you know, we interestingly enough,

1746
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 3: we used to be you know, sort of like number one,

1747
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:07,760
Speaker 3: but they would break out syndicated and non syndicated, and

1748
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:11,320
Speaker 3: now we're number one across the board in all of

1749
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 3: daytime TV.

1750
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 8: And imagine this week.

1751
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 3: I know everyone's like, I can't believe you on vacation,

1752
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 3: but I think it's because we're we are at our

1753
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 3: best when we are just talking about the issues, even

1754
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 3: the uncomfortable Ones. Yes, that's where we're at our best.

1755
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 3: That's when people are at their best when they when

1756
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:32,879
Speaker 3: they talk.

1757
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:35,679
Speaker 9: Sonny, I have to thank you because and I'm gonna

1758
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 9: thank you from all the people that I know that

1759
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 9: watch every day, from my dad to my best friend Fadija,

1760
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 9: because although I know it's a heavyweight, you carry it

1761
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 9: so classy and so beautifully.

1762
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 3: And I just really saying that.

1763
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:49,800
Speaker 8: As I really appreciate you.

1764
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 9: I told you this at a mere DJ to Oscar

1765
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 9: party Ones, and I wanted to say something to you,

1766
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:55,400
Speaker 9: and I walked up to you and I was like,

1767
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:56,080
Speaker 9: I want.

1768
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 8: You to know you and I appreciate you because we do.

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01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you. One quick thing I will tell

1770
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 3: you is that I was diagnosed with diverticulitis, stress induced diverticulitis,

1771
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 3: which is like an information of the intestines and stuff.

1772
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 3: And yeah, I was.

1773
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 5: I was.

1774
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:19,559
Speaker 3: I got really sick last last season, and last season

1775
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 3: was a tumultuous season for us. I lost like twenty pounds.

1776
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 3: I couldn't eat everything I ate BYuT of my stomach.

1777
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:27,719
Speaker 3: So I went to the GI doctor and he said

1778
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:31,599
Speaker 3: he usually sees that in what I have in seventy

1779
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 3: plus year old women and then seventy plus and he said,

1780
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 3: but it's stress induced. Are you under an extraordinary amount

1781
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 3: of stress? And I was like, no, I'm not. I'm fine.

1782
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 4: I'm only on the number one talk show stress, I argue.

1783
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:49,839
Speaker 3: No stress.

1784
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1785
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 3: I realized that it is a heavyweight because I attribute

1786
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:58,360
Speaker 3: that to the fact that there are things sometimes that

1787
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 3: I would like to say. And I'm sure all of

1788
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:04,360
Speaker 3: you understand this. There are things that I would sometimes

1789
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:08,120
Speaker 3: like to say that will result in my losing that platform,

1790
01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:11,519
Speaker 3: and I think it's too important of a platform to

1791
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:15,599
Speaker 3: lose for our community, and so I do not say

1792
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:21,720
Speaker 3: those things. But when you internalize and internalize, you could

1793
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 3: end up with stress induced but diverticulitis. So I say

1794
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 3: that as an example because I really think it's important.

1795
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 3: If you're not on television token to three million people,

1796
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:35,679
Speaker 3: you really have to talk it out right. You've got

1797
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:38,439
Speaker 3: to get all of that stuff out. And I think

1798
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 3: now it's more important than ever to do that, not censoring.

1799
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 3: I'm not censoring myself, but I'm trying to keep it

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01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:48,960
Speaker 3: classy at all times.

1801
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:51,599
Speaker 7: Well, Sonny, I will cordially invite you to the Quest

1802
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,120
Speaker 7: Love supreme group chat where you can say all the problematic,

1803
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 7: to say.

1804
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:59,559
Speaker 4: All you can't say for the white people. It's like therapy.

1805
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 4: It's like therapy. It's like therapy. Hey, group chat is

1806
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 4: the new social media.

1807
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,639
Speaker 9: So we're gonna need to do a trade do I'm

1808
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 9: gonna need to get get into that good.

1809
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 8: Lights geting a loud group chat.

1810
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 9: She in with all her fling that's good Light.

1811
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 3: The women she named, I was like, yeah, you know,

1812
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:26,080
Speaker 3: I forgot to say Jamel Jamel Hill's loud.

1813
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 4: She don't like y'all about the same. Y'all got the

1814
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:30,760
Speaker 4: paper bag?

1815
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 5: Yeah we can't.

1816
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 3: We got, we got. It was Jeorge j Alicia Alicia Garza.

1817
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 9: My girl from CBS assistant for a girl sometimes that

1818
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 9: what's her name?

1819
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,599
Speaker 8: She is so sharp with the short haircut. Oh my god.

1820
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we do. We do. We keep. And what's

1821
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:54,519
Speaker 3: great is sometimes when they see me on the show

1822
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:58,559
Speaker 3: and they see that, I'm really, you know, drinking my

1823
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:00,320
Speaker 3: tea because I'm like, if I get in to this

1824
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 3: last week like this last week, it was like, yeah, job,

1825
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:08,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna lose my job. I can't lose your job,

1826
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 3: right there?

1827
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:13,559
Speaker 5: Can?

1828
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:14,120
Speaker 3: I ask you?

1829
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:19,160
Speaker 5: Is it possible. Is there a line to be crossed

1830
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 5: on the view?

1831
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 2: Ros o'donald said directly on the show, not like things discovered.

1832
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 13: I believe there are lines, and I always a line

1833
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:41,759
Speaker 13: for black people, well, and always there's a line for everybody.

1834
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:42,960
Speaker 4: I don't have a question.

1835
01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 16: Since we're talking about this in this time that we're

1836
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 16: in right now, where seemingly everybody has an opinion, we're

1837
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:54,160
Speaker 16: all encouraged to speak, speak up and speak out at

1838
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 16: this point, certainly, And but on the other side of

1839
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:02,240
Speaker 16: the coin, you say the smallest thing wrong, your job

1840
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 16: is at risk, your life is at risk, everything. So

1841
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:09,479
Speaker 16: how do you navigate that, especially since it's your job

1842
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 16: to speak your mind in front of so many people

1843
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:12,800
Speaker 16: every day.

1844
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I try to navigate it very carefully while

1845
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 3: being authentic. Becau See, I don't really believe in what

1846
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 3: people are calling cancel culture. I don't really believe that

1847
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:28,599
Speaker 3: that is that. I think it's accountability culture. You don't

1848
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 3: get canceled just for giving your opinion. You don't get

1849
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 3: canceled for, you know, having an opinion that's different. You

1850
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:41,719
Speaker 3: get held accountable though, for saying things that are racist,

1851
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:47,320
Speaker 3: for saying things that are misogynistic you could get and

1852
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:52,520
Speaker 3: doubling down on them and not apologizing you can get

1853
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:59,120
Speaker 3: held accountable for those things. So I kind of disagree

1854
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:01,760
Speaker 3: with this. There is oh, there's a cancel culture for

1855
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:05,400
Speaker 3: giving your opinion. No, I think people are, for the

1856
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 3: first time in a long time, being held accountable for

1857
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:14,240
Speaker 3: their actions. But because of my platform, I am very

1858
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 3: careful about what I say, making sure there's fact based

1859
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 3: and how I say it, because I also think there's

1860
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:29,280
Speaker 3: something to be said about dealing with your colleagues gracefully

1861
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:33,479
Speaker 3: and respectfully so that you can go to battle with

1862
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 3: those same people the next day without hurt feelings and

1863
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:41,840
Speaker 3: things like that, and without people feeling personally attacked, feeling

1864
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:45,960
Speaker 3: like they've been disrespected just because of their view right.

1865
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:49,599
Speaker 3: So I think it's more that it's that people are

1866
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 3: now finally being held accountable for saying the quiet part

1867
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:57,760
Speaker 3: out loud and other people saying I don't like that.

1868
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 3: You know that that's racist or that's sexist, or that's this,

1869
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 3: and if the person rather than say, you know what,

1870
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 3: teach me, what do you mean by that? Why do

1871
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:10,200
Speaker 3: you take it that way, the person's like, no, it's

1872
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 3: not and yeah, blah, blah blah. That's different. I think

1873
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:18,680
Speaker 3: that's I think that's someone that can't learn. That's just

1874
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 3: my take.

1875
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:23,679
Speaker 4: I don't know. Okay, don't you disagree.

1876
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:24,879
Speaker 3: It's fine you disagree.

1877
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:26,599
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no, no, I don't. I don't

1878
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:27,840
Speaker 4: think I necessarily disagree with you.

1879
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 7: I just think it's you know, when we talk about, like,

1880
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:34,040
Speaker 7: you know what cancel culture is, because I mean, because, right,

1881
01:48:34,120 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 7: I mean essentially what you're saying is like, well, yeah,

1882
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 7: I mean, no one gets canceled. They just you know,

1883
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:40,600
Speaker 7: you might lose some money and you go away for

1884
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 7: a little while and then you just come back and rebrand, right,

1885
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 7: But you're being.

1886
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:47,800
Speaker 3: Held accountable on that particular thing that you did.

1887
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:51,520
Speaker 4: You say, you're being held accountable.

1888
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:54,120
Speaker 7: But I guess the part for me is that, you know,

1889
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 7: a big part for me is like there's never like

1890
01:48:57,439 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 7: when we're like now in the era that we're in

1891
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 7: where we're talking about just rebuilding everything, like we're talking about,

1892
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 7: you know, defunding the police and abolishing prison like all

1893
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:11,479
Speaker 7: these programming, right, So there's always I'm like, I'm with it,

1894
01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 7: like we can let's bot police, nigga, let's get it on.

1895
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 7: But there's always there's never a discussion about what redemption

1896
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 7: looks like. And so my thing is that you know

1897
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,600
Speaker 7: what I mean, Like, so at what point, you know

1898
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:27,400
Speaker 7: my problem with you know, what people call is cancel culture.

1899
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 7: If you cancel someone, they no longer have an incentive

1900
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:34,759
Speaker 7: to change, if you if cancel culture, or if holding

1901
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:38,040
Speaker 7: someone accountable means we like we were just joking about

1902
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 7: you losing your job. If you've lost your job, then

1903
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 7: at that point it's like, well fuck it, Like you know,

1904
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 7: I don't already lost my job, lost my name Google

1905
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 7: you Google search me, and everybody talk.

1906
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 4: This is what defines me now, so hell, you know

1907
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 4: what I mean.

1908
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:53,720
Speaker 7: So I think that's the part that I think that

1909
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:55,840
Speaker 7: I think gets missed, you know what I mean? And

1910
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 7: particularly now you know, I think a big problem that,

1911
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:02,600
Speaker 7: a point that I think is missed is that the

1912
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:04,680
Speaker 7: audience today.

1913
01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:07,800
Speaker 4: Versus someone you know, twenty years ago, whatever.

1914
01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 7: We have the high mind of social media at our

1915
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:15,840
Speaker 7: disposal to help us break down very very complex concepts.

1916
01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 7: So you know, if you were you know, twenty years ago, right,

1917
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:25,200
Speaker 7: if you were a person that was assaulted or you

1918
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:27,240
Speaker 7: you know, had questions about your sexuality or like how

1919
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:29,479
Speaker 7: we were talking earlier about consent or whatever.

1920
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:31,519
Speaker 4: I mean, who could you really talk to?

1921
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:33,880
Speaker 7: I mean, you could maybe talk to your parents, You

1922
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 7: could maybe talk to you know, a friend maybe you

1923
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying, just you know.

1924
01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:41,120
Speaker 8: Out there and everybody can chime in.

1925
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:43,719
Speaker 7: Me get right now, like now, if you have questions,

1926
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:49,720
Speaker 7: but whatever, you have world class counselors, psychologists, teachers, you

1927
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 7: know at your disposal, who have you know, who create

1928
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:57,760
Speaker 7: and release content on their platforms daily to help you

1929
01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:01,440
Speaker 7: parse all of this information. So I think it's unfair

1930
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:07,879
Speaker 7: to judge people now. I think it's unfair to litigate

1931
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:14,439
Speaker 7: the present or litigate the past current understanding of the present,

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Speaker 7: you know what I mean. And so when I see

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Speaker 7: a lot of these things that happen when people just

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Speaker 7: you know, when people just be saying some old dumb

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Speaker 7: shit and they wouldever you know, to your point about educating.

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Speaker 4: I don't ever see like education happen.

1937
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Speaker 7: It's always the first the first thing I see is

1938
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Speaker 7: always yeah, it's like get this now, they got to go,

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Speaker 7: they counsel they've done, they say that, and there's never

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Speaker 7: any room for education.

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Speaker 3: Well, and that's why I refer to those that double

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Speaker 3: down because I've seen situations where someone's held accountable and

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Speaker 3: say ah ah, that was wrong. And then you have

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Speaker 3: someone that says, you know what, I've met with this

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Speaker 3: person and that person and I was wrong. I get it,

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Speaker 3: and I get it now. See I believe in reject shin.

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Speaker 3: So I don't I don't think that person loses their job.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't agree with that. But the person that doubles down,

1950
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Speaker 3: and it's like, whatever, right, I mean, what do you

1951
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Speaker 3: do with that? Not gonna?

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Speaker 4: Well you do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean.

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Speaker 4: Downtown, Yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 8: About think about he's double down And I was just like.

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Speaker 4: Wow, trip n.

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Speaker 5: We we thank you for doing the show and and

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Speaker 5: thank you for fighting a good fight.

1959
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Speaker 2: And you know we we feel your stress every episode.

1960
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Speaker 3: Thank you for thank you for feeling with me and

1961
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Speaker 3: having me. Y'all are great.

1962
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Speaker 8: This was wonderful and everybody get what I am the

1963
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Speaker 8: truth that memo.

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Speaker 7: When the open back up, when the world open back up,

1965
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Speaker 7: I'm coming for a nice slice of that. I need

1966
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Speaker 7: ho hold, I need that. Uh, what's I need that? Comes?

1967
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Speaker 4: Yellow Rice? Yeah?

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Speaker 9: I hate over, I hate the missions the SLA. Can

1969
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Speaker 9: you also find out why black women get fibrys. I'm sorry,

1970
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Speaker 9: it's in the book. Everybody read the books.

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Speaker 8: She has them.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, yes, yes, there are there studies

1973
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Speaker 3: being done, but we're gonna talk about that.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, thank you. I'm with you in the struggle.

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Speaker 5: We be happy. Yeah, Sugar Steve, I'm paid, Bill and fine,

1976
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Speaker 5: take a love. This is quest Love, This is Quest

1977
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Speaker 5: Love Supreme, and we will see you on the next program.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 15: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: What's Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For more

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