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Speaker 1: Welcome to Between the Horns. This is a special edition

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Speaker 1: as wild Card weekend is now upon us. Hi everyone,

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Speaker 1: Camerdor went alongside my good friends JV. Long and DeMarco

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Speaker 1: far Of course, this is brought to you by your

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Speaker 1: Southern California Toyota dealers. But guys, before we jump into

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Speaker 1: this and the matchup versus the Minnesota Vikings come Monday

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Speaker 1: Night football, we need to take a pause as the

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Speaker 1: picturesque nature of this beautiful city has been twisted over

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Speaker 1: the last forty eight hours. Many of our friends, our families,

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Speaker 1: our colleagues have been impacted by the fires across southern California.

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Speaker 1: So while we continue to prepare for the playoffs and

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Speaker 1: celebrate this great city's team and its accomplishments to this

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Speaker 1: season thus far, we also want to share that we

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Speaker 1: are all thinking of you, praying for you and anyone

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Speaker 1: that has been impacted by these fires. A huge thank

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Speaker 1: you to our firefighters and our first responders. And just

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Speaker 1: as the RAMS did in twenty eighteen during unprecedented tragedy,

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Speaker 1: we will once again look to bring La together, especially

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Speaker 1: come Monday night, as we will support the relief efforts

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Speaker 1: against these wildfires. More details will be coming in the

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Speaker 1: soon to come days, so be sure to tune in

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Speaker 1: to all of us here with the Los Angeles Rams

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Speaker 1: as to how you can provide support, just as we

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Speaker 1: will as an organization. All right, guys, we turn our

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Speaker 1: attention now to the Minnesota Vikings and this playoff matchup.

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Speaker 1: I first have to ask, how are you guys doing good?

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Speaker 2: It's you know, California living is, It's awesome, but it

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Speaker 2: comes with challenges. So I have a lot of ex teammates, friends,

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Speaker 2: teammates of teammates that became firefighters. So I'm glad what

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Speaker 2: to help. And you know you'll hear from Jambi in

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Speaker 2: a second, but just find a way to help your

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Speaker 2: fellow neighbor. We're all Californians and this is just a

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Speaker 2: tough time for all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good to be with you. I think we all

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Speaker 3: need friendship and we need football as a momentary reprieve

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Speaker 3: from much larger pities. I'm really appreciative to be here

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Speaker 3: with you today as we have been the season. Wonderful words, camera,

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Speaker 3: and you're such a great addition to our team and

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Speaker 3: our show and organization has benefited from you. This is

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Speaker 3: one of those moments where I'm really glad to be

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Speaker 3: working for the Los Angeles Rams. And I say this

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Speaker 3: as an employee, but put the football aside. I think

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Speaker 3: where they shine as a sports entity is unfortunately in

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Speaker 3: moments of crisis like this, and I don't like that

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Speaker 3: we have to keep living into them. But I am

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Speaker 3: very proud to be a member of a sports franchise

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Speaker 3: that is so ingrained in the community and impacts it

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Speaker 3: in such a positive way. I don't know what tomorrow

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Speaker 3: is going to bring, but I do know the Los

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Speaker 3: the recovery effort.

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Speaker 1: It is all about La together. This is our home

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Speaker 1: and this is our family. This is our Bramily. As

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Speaker 1: we look ahead to the Minnesota Vikings, it's crazy we

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Speaker 1: made it through the regular season, right and what a

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Speaker 1: twist and turn. It has been a true Hollywood script.

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Speaker 1: So guys, I have to start off with the just

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Speaker 1: a minor review before we dig into it. What was

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Speaker 1: the best plot twist of this season for the Rams?

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Speaker 2: Best plot twist? Who was close to letting go of

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Speaker 2: the rope? Anybody, no, No, don't no? Best plot twist

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Speaker 2: of the year. My god, I mean it's still ongoing.

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Speaker 2: Can we say the rise of Pukakua as the number

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Speaker 2: one weapon? Jared Verse coming in out of nowhere, reminding

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Speaker 2: us all what first rounds ends look like and what

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Speaker 2: they can do and how they can help your football team.

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Speaker 2: There's several. I mean, it's hard to put your finger

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Speaker 2: on one. Sean McVay never given letting go of the

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Speaker 2: a movie or a scripted show, would be the highest

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Speaker 2: rated show of all time. This has been one hell

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Speaker 2: of a roller coaster.

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Speaker 3: You go next, Cameron, because this is your idea, I

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Speaker 3: don't want to say.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, so I was really torn between two

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Speaker 1: the streaks that have taken place, whether it's the five

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Speaker 1: three earlier. And I'm going to go with the three earlier.

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Speaker 1: End of October, right, oh yeah, where just two days

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Speaker 1: and I feel like that is the biggest inflection point

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Speaker 1: complete different direction, right You maybe start pulling starters. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's it could be a completely different story. So that's

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Speaker 2: Loved it. I love that October run. Where do you

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Speaker 2: say the end? I know you say the end of it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So when she prompted us with this question, one person

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Speaker 3: came to mind. That was Chris Shula, because there are

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Speaker 3: probably felt like he might have been in over his

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Speaker 3: first time defensive coordinator having to live life after the

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Speaker 3: do we keep Chris Shula. So I think that's a

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Speaker 3: pretty cool plot twist. But I know I'm speaking to

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Speaker 3: plot twist is yet to come. It has something to

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Speaker 3: do with seeing somebody in two weeks, and I think

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Speaker 3: showing up on their doorstep would be the best plot

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Speaker 2: Do you think he meant that the way it came

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Speaker 3: Okay, but do you think everyone who slided Michael Jordan

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Speaker 2: Not at all. I'm glad he said it. I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure if he meant it, but I'm glad he said it.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Everyone calling it the perfect bulletin board material and that

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Speaker 1: is spot on, no doubt. Before we get any further, JB. Long,

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Speaker 1: you talked about having receipts, Well, we have them here.

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Speaker 3: No on between the horn this. Now you still have

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Speaker 3: a whole show to do.

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Speaker 1: Oh I know, if somebody pulled the footage, I hope

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Speaker 1: you have a little water. You might need a chaser

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Speaker 1: to this, because there was conversation you said that you

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Speaker 1: would potentially eat chocolate if the Rams clenched the division

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Speaker 1: before week eighteen and you got to rest your starters.

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Speaker 3: I told you, bring everybody along with us fight.

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Speaker 1: Well, JV, I felt like I kind of go withess

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Speaker 1: because I mean, it's they got to.

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Speaker 3: Win another suit before I eat that.

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Speaker 1: Really, I mean, hopefully you're not the peanuts because I've

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Speaker 2: I'll just leave this right here for you.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you're just joining this for the

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Speaker 1: first time. He is the only person I have ever

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Speaker 3: Where do these raid on on? Like the chocolate scale

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Speaker 3: at the top? Yeah, my god, no, but I mean, like,

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Speaker 3: this is what no chocolate?

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Speaker 2: Chocolate? And look at you're nervous. I can't. This is

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Speaker 2: so good. Are you sure you want to do this? Now?

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Speaker 2: We do have a show to do. Let's eat. This

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Speaker 2: We're off and running.

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Speaker 1: There you go, I'm nervous. Just do you have your water?

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Speaker 2: I do? Good for you?

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Speaker 3: Just to match the table, didn't you?

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Speaker 2: I did?

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Speaker 1: I matched the table. I had to. Okay, well, you're

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Speaker 2: Many people do that because it's so good. But that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: I've often said, the only reason my wife is married

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Speaker 2: There you go, everything goes making statements. There you go, yes,

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Speaker 1: Our snack on the way back. It works. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about that Week eighteen matchup,

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Speaker 1: because he's still try I can't even look at his

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Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, But what was.

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Speaker 1: The statement from Sean McVay when you consider going into

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I mean doing what you I

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Speaker 2: What did you guys think of Jimmy Garoppolo at quarterback?

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Speaker 2: I wanted to see it. I saw what I saw.

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Speaker 2: He threw for three hundred two touchdowns, had one bad pick,

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Speaker 2: But I thought they fought their butts off, almost beat

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Speaker 2: You could take that beyond, don't We don't fear a team.

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Speaker 2: They don't fear a situation. They've been through it all

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Speaker 2: this year, injuries, being down eight percent, chance of making

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like Monday is a referendum on the strategy?

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Speaker 3: What do you mean in terms of I know our

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Speaker 3: audience has pointed out the times the Rams have been

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Speaker 3: and twenty three seasons when they had the option to

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Speaker 2: Oh well, you know, I think it might have been

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Speaker 2: the rest, Matthew Stafford probably needed the rest. This was

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Speaker 2: a good week to get some of your frontline guys

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Speaker 2: say it's a throwaway game versus Seattle, but I think

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Speaker 2: it's a game where you actually it's that by week

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Speaker 2: get ready for a Minnesota squad that was dealing with

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Speaker 2: the first and now you I think you got a

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Speaker 3: Look, I hate to point to like Blake Koram and say, unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: and others make the choices that they do. But I

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Speaker 3: like what you said and what he said, which is

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Speaker 3: it's not just about that moment in time, it's about

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Speaker 3: the larger goal. They could have played it a certain

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Speaker 3: way to try and I guess catch the Washington Commanders

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Speaker 3: they're not in this to win a game. They're in

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Speaker 3: this to lift a Lombardi Trophy. And the number one reason,

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Speaker 3: the biggest reason, I'm not going to say the only reason,

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Speaker 3: but why am I confident that they can do it,

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Speaker 3: because they're healthy. It's because they're healthier than they've been

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Speaker 3: all season. It's because everyone that you would want to

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Speaker 2: Bro that was the most terrifying game of all time.

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Speaker 2: You know, we just listened to the coach and it's

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Speaker 1: Last week, all right, well we talked about interesting matchups.

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Speaker 2: Nerves sc quarterback of nerves. Maybe I don't see that

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Speaker 2: What do you mean in the playoff?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you've put the helmet on. What changes from your

438
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,800
Speaker 3: final regular season game to wild card weekend.

439
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,760
Speaker 2: It's wild because every snap is the same. You're playing football.

440
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,000
Speaker 2: The nerves are different because the games are bigger and

441
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,639
Speaker 2: there's more people there, so that factors in. But you

442
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 2: start to realize every play, like win or lose, this

443
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 2: could be our last snap of the year. If we

444
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,560
Speaker 2: don't lose this game, there is no tomorrow. So that

445
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 2: just adds a whole nother pressure. So it's how you

446
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 2: deal with that. But for Sam Donald having this success,

447
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,240
Speaker 2: I am not surprised. You saw him in college. He's

448
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,199
Speaker 2: got all the tool you get him in the right environment,

449
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 2: with the right coach Kevin O'Connell, in the right system.

450
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 2: It's basically the same system as here, and the way

451
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 2: they teach it, you're going to get the best out

452
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 2: of guys. It's not that I think that here. Sean

453
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 2: McVay got the best out of Golf, he got the

454
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,919
Speaker 2: best out of Stafford, he got the best out of

455
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield, got the best out of Carson Wentz. It's

456
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 2: just how they teach and it's not surprising that he

457
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 2: took that to Minnesota and he kind of rebuilt Sam

458
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 2: Darnold into a winner. So yeah, He's always a guy

459
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 2: that gives the Rams problems. He's very mobile, he can

460
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 2: make every throw. He's got the right play caller and

461
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 2: the right group around him. He is going to be

462
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 2: a snoopful come Monday.

463
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Speaker 1: And of course our quarterback he needs a little bit

464
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 1: more love, right bringing us back to the playoffs yet again,

465
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Speaker 1: I've been calling him Stafford clause. He's twelve and one

466
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Speaker 1: in the month of December since twenty twenty one, he

467
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Speaker 1: is I don't know, but he's undefeated in the month

468
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Speaker 1: of December. I know Jav's over.

469
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Speaker 2: There, like, can you work that into the broadcast? He's

470
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 2: been dropping bombs this year? Can you work out Stafford clause? Yeah?

471
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Speaker 3: I don't want to steal Cameron's with It's the ultimate

472
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 3: cliche that Team X goes as far as QB one

473
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 3: can take them, right, But I don't know that I've

474
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 3: ever felt it in my bones as much as I

475
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 3: do in this moment in time. Like the Rams have

476
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 3: been They've outperformed on defense, they've been much improved on

477
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 3: special teams. But the reason why we all think there's

478
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Speaker 3: a chance to do something special this January, it comes

479
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 3: down to John Matthew Stafford point blank. And it comes

480
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 3: down to the version of him that has that wink

481
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 3: in his eye and that soul snatching swagger that we

482
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Speaker 3: saw him play with at moments, not consistently, but at

483
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 3: moments this season, including against the Vikings. If he looks

484
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 3: like the guy that wants to take this team back

485
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 3: into the Lions Den, I think they got a shot.

486
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 3: But I mean that not just with respect to him,

487
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Speaker 3: though he is the most important piece. I mean it

488
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 3: with the protection up front. I mean it with the

489
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 3: running game to keep him out of negative down in distances.

490
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 3: His targets have to win, and his head coach and

491
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 3: play caller has to be in his back, and I

492
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Speaker 3: think they will be.

493
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Speaker 2: I think that two week thing. I'll see you in

494
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 2: two weeks. That was a shot at Stafford. I hope

495
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 2: he took it that way.

496
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Speaker 3: It was not a shot.

497
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Speaker 2: I hope it was. I'm taking it as now that

498
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 2: you mentioned it material. Yeah, you don't think he's good,

499
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 2: I'm fine if he uses it. I hope he took

500
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 2: that personally. I want to see that petty side. We

501
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 2: talk about all the great quarterbacks we've defended against, Brady Rogers,

502
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 2: all these great quarterbacks we say the same thing. We

503
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 2: never say it on there, but off air they're petty.

504
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 2: They don't like being shown up. I hope that sort

505
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Speaker 2: of Matthew Stafford shows up on Monday Night, that guy.

506
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Speaker 3: No doubt, because Sam Darnold had the better season. Yes,

507
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 3: he's the pro bowler deservedly. Which guy are you drafting

508
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 3: with your first pick in a pickup game from Monday Night?

509
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Speaker 2: Stafford?

510
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 3: It's not even close. And look, he did enough this

511
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Speaker 3: year I think to cement his Hall of Fame resume.

512
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 3: We've talked about that on the show and elsewhere. Another

513
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 3: playoff winner two would definitely grease those skids. But I

514
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 3: don't think we even need ah away from the fact

515
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 3: that there's a very real possibility that Matthews down to

516
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 3: his last loss as a RAM because he's openly talked

517
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 3: about what his future holds, and that he's not going

518
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 3: to answer that question definitively until until February of this year.

519
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: So I hope that whatever comes Monday and hopefully beyond,

520
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 3: informs his feelings, his family's feelings, the Rams feelings, and

521
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 3: equally the voters for Canton that I think there's a

522
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Speaker 3: lot to prove.

523
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Speaker 2: No January you want to keep the band together, keep

524
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Speaker 2: one of.

525
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Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about the Hall of Fame. Resume. Well, Matthew

526
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Speaker 1: Stafford in the playoffs is at the top of the order.

527
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Speaker 1: Is most yards per game in the playoffs in history?

528
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Speaker 2: Sure?

529
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Speaker 1: Well over three hundred is the average.

530
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Speaker 3: One of your former seven one of your former teammates

531
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Speaker 3: next on that.

532
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Speaker 1: List, Yeah, there's only guess.

533
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: Tony Banks.

534
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 3: Kurt warn are a part of.

535
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Speaker 1: One of those three, as well as Dan Felts and

536
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Speaker 1: then Drew Brees just below three hundred.

537
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Speaker 2: Wow.

538
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Speaker 1: Great company to be keeping. All right, guys, Well, now

539
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: it's really time to dig into the matchup, and I

540
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: think it's best that we start. When you look at

541
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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings four fourteen in three, it's hard to

542
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: believe that they didn't win their division. This is probably

543
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: the most winningest wild card team we have ever seen.

544
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Speaker 1: Let's start with our rams on offense. When you look

545
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: at this Brian Flores defense, we expected it to be

546
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: a crazy blitz show on Thursday Night Football when we

547
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: met them in week eight. That wasn't necessarily the case.

548
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: Do you expect that to change in this matchup?

549
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Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah, that fuses lit whenever you see his defenses.

550
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: They're always in position to bring pressure from everywhere. It

551
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 2: seems like that's their number one goal. Either they're bringing

552
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: it or the threat of it will make you throw

553
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: it to spots that they want you to throw it in.

554
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: I think that Grenard is one of the best pass

555
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 2: rushers that no one talks about. He's an absolute medness

556
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: about two hundred and fifty pounds, so he's in that

557
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 2: Von Miller type mode. He's not a defensive end, but

558
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: when it's obvious passing down, he's a problem. And so

559
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: is that Van Gingle guy. He just all he does

560
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 2: is make plays great season. He just seems like he's

561
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: in the spot where the ball shows up every single time.

562
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Speaker 2: So and that they're good players. But but they're also coached,

563
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 2: well coached. They're into your stuff, they know their stuff,

564
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: they communicate well, they're they're a snoopful. So it will

565
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: take all eleven to be on the same page offensively

566
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Speaker 2: to make sure you knock them off the ball. Number one,

567
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: number two, you've got to beat that pursuit and wear

568
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: them down into the fourth quarter.

569
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Speaker 3: Yeah. My memory of that Week eight game is that

570
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 3: the Rams were dictating terms that they force the Vikings

571
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 3: on defense to read and react, which is kind of

572
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 3: antithetical to their model, Like they're so good at not

573
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: just blitzing you, but heating you up on early downs,

574
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Speaker 3: like they don't wait for you to get in a

575
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: negative down and distance to come after you. Whether that

576
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: was because it was a short week, because they were

577
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,479
Speaker 3: a bit shorthanded, because Pooka surprised them, I don't know,

578
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 3: but I hope that there's elements of that in Monday

579
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 3: Night's game. I think the key is to force them

580
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 3: to blitz paradoxically, because Matthew Stafford eviscerates the blitz. What

581
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: you don't want is them getting after you with four,

582
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 3: So invite those extra rushers, block them up well enough,

583
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: and Matthew Stafford play quickly enough to then punish, because

584
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Speaker 3: that's what you have to do against floors. You have

585
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: to be able to punish these defensive looks. And they

586
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 3: can pay.

587
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can pay for being aggressive, and they're going

588
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: to be aggressive.

589
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: I was going to say, and JB to your point,

590
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: Viking's blitz at the highest rate in the NFL this year,

591
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: at forty one and a half. We'll call it. And

592
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: Stafford's passer rating against the Blitz in twenty twenty four

593
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: one two five.

594
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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it was just flat out respect for

595
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: Stafford that they didn't come after him. I just can't

596
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 3: envision a world where they're coming to sow Fit twice

597
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 3: and not leaving it all out.

598
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: Well.

599
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Speaker 2: I've been on schemes to where you're sitting and you're

600
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: not blissing, and I've been on schemes to where you're

601
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: all out. The problem with going all out is if

602
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: you don't get there, if you don't get home, they

603
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: pick it up. Now you're vulnerable in the back end,

604
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: and you only want to do it to certain quarterbacks

605
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: because if you're pick up a Blitz and you're Matthew

606
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: Stafford and it's one on one and he's got a choice,

607
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: he's going to win that. He's going to win that

608
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 2: ninety percent of the time. So you have to be careful.

609
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: If you're getting home, you can turn up the heat.

610
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 2: If you're not getting home, they can pick you apart.

611
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 3: But that's the other An opponent breaks a huddle and

612
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: shows you a personnel grouping or an alignment or a

613
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: pre snap motion that you weren't expect that takes some

614
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 3: of the wind out of your sales.

615
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: That's the thing about veteran quarterbacks. There's so many tells

616
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: with this offense, all these motions. Somebody's going to give

617
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 2: away something and he's going to change the play. That's

618
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: the difference when you're blitzing a younger quarterback versus an

619
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: experienced guy who's seen everything that looks like Cover two.

620
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: But this guy's showing me something else. Change the play.

621
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Speaker 1: All right, Let's circle back to the screen game, because

622
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Speaker 1: listening to the broadcast of all three of you, including

623
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: Maurice Jones Drew, it was notable the screen game was

624
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: light years ahead in terms of week eighteen. Why was

625
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: that and how did that happen? And is it necessary

626
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: for Monday Night?

627
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: This is why I have to give Jimmy Gson props

628
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: because he turned into a Stafford coin on some of

629
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: those screen passes. Get the ball out so fast, Yes,

630
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: that little side arm stuff to get it down there,

631
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: because you have to beat the defense to the spot

632
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: with the football to set up those blocks, and those

633
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 2: blocks have to be precise. So I think that is

634
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: an indication of how well you're practicing and how well

635
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: you execute. If you can time those up because if

636
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: you do, there's almost nothing the defense can do besides

637
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: make a miraculous play going through somebody, because if you

638
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: hit it and you beat the defense to the spot,

639
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: there's going to be open turf for you.

640
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it had more to do with Lafleur

641
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 3: and Garoppolo and kind of the way they wanted to

642
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: try and win that game. I don't know if it

643
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: applies to Monday night at all, but I hope that

644
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 3: they became a more difficult team to prepare for.

645
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: Definitely, that's fair. I bet you have to rep it

646
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: and you have to talk about it. So if it

647
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: keeps him up at night, so be it. One more thing.

648
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: I love when you get the specialist involved, like even

649
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: x Smith on the end a rounds, because you give

650
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 2: him something that he does anyway, he's a punt returner.

651
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: Did it against the Vikings too, Give him one more.

652
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I love when you expand the offense that way.

653
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: Speaking of expanding the offense, Cooper Cup is somebody we're

654
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: going to be looking to come Monday night. Just four

655
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: catches in his last three games. However, in the playoffs,

656
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: this man is near unstoppable. He's third most in the

657
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: NFL history and yards per game in the playoffs. How

658
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: do you deploy Cooper Cup in this?

659
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're on this set as a hill. See

660
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: this hill, I'm planting my feet. I will die on

661
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: this hill. Cooper Cup is still one of the best

662
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: receivers in the league, and I'm not ready to say

663
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: he's not. And I think he's about ready to show

664
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: people what's up on Monday, I hope, because maybe that

665
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: was a shot at him too. I'll see you in

666
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: two weeks. Well, I hope he took it that way.

667
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: Who do you think is a top the list of

668
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: benefiting from clinching in week seventeen or on the.

669
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: Shortland Cooper Cup? Yeah, no doubt.

670
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: We don't have to. I don't have to pretend that

671
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: like this isn't the worst three games slump of his career, though.

672
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: I think that's fine. But I also can point to

673
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: moments against Arizona Cardinals where I think he deserved the

674
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: football and was open and because of some other circumstances,

675
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: he didn't get those targets. And that's okay. Look what

676
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: we're all kind of dancing around is the full portfolio.

677
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: The full compliment is there for Sean McVay, and it's

678
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: kind of a corollary to the quarterback conversation we had.

679
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell deserves to be the NFL coach of the Year.

680
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: I'm fine with it, But in a one game sample

681
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: size on Monday Night, which coached in play color, do

682
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: I want on our sideline the guy who's lifted the

683
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 3: Lombardi Trophy, the winning his coach in Rams franchise history.

684
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: And I don't know what he's going to do, how

685
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: he's going to bend this game plan, whether he's going

686
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: to run it back from Week eight, whether he's going

687
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 3: to go back to that I steamrolled the Dallas Cowboys

688
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: at the Coliseum in twenty eighteen game plan and let

689
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: the offensive line exert itself. My guess is he won't

690
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 3: kind of go away from their identity because the Rams

691
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: aren't about exotic, They're about execution. They're about making difficult

692
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 3: look easy and easy look difficult, and I think that's

693
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: where his focus has been these last two weeks.

694
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: Defense has been executing through the majority of this season,

695
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: from Week one to Week eighteen, and they're going to

696
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: have a massive task in front of them, especially when

697
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: you consider the secondary for Los Angeles Rams having to

698
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: deal with Jefferson, Addison and Hawkinson. How do you go

699
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: about slowing them down?

700
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: I'll take it for that they can't. Yeah, I can't, easy,

701
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: but the front four can. And so all I'm asking

702
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: of the defense is an extra possession, turning sevens into threes.

703
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: Members of the secondary compete. Make them snap it one

704
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: more time like you did in week eight, because sooner

705
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 3: or later that fearsome twenty foursome is going to detonate,

706
00:30:59,280 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: and that's all you need.

707
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: Destroy that supply line, get to Sam Darnold. That takes

708
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: care of receivers. But I would say, let me say this, McCullough, Kensins,

709
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: Curl Lake at John Johnson. The third safety play is

710
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: going to be huge because if they do get blocked up,

711
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: if Verse or Fisk or Turner or be Young can't

712
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: or Michael Hoyt can't get home, that means the ball's

713
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: coming out and it's probably going to be to Jefferson

714
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: and then it's tougher to cover and then tougher to

715
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: get him down. Safety play is going to be huge.

716
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: If you want to bracket and take away guy, you

717
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: have to be letter perfect on that.

718
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: So all right, so you mentioned JJ a couple of times.

719
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Rams, JJ, not Minnesota. Yes, I feel like

720
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 3: you're expecting something or lots of something from him.

721
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, I hope I'm not giving away anything.

722
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: But John Johnson third is he's a veteran safety and

723
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: a good center field one. So if you employ or

724
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: deploy him, what does that free up? Probably a Quinton

725
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: Lake to be closer to the blocks, to get down

726
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: in there, to blitz a little bit more. You're going

727
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: to be a little bit faster. So that is also

728
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: in the book. Just like the rams On offense, they're

729
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: very multiple. If you add one more veteran safety that

730
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: you can trust back there, that frees up some guys

731
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: up front. Maybe you can get more pressure to Sam Darnold.

732
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: That will help you in the passing year.

733
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: What do you think about the way the lines played.

734
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: Donald Man bruh, You know, I wish you can game

735
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: plan that. I mean, that was excellent effort. Great job

736
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: by Aaron Glynn. I think you caught them by surprise.

737
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: The problem is now they know. I wish you would

738
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: have waited or did that three weeks ago, but now

739
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: they know they're going to fix their issues, but some

740
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: of that you're going to see on Monday.

741
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: No doubt you think the Rams will dip into that.

742
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: If it works. Absolutely, This is a copycat league. Gives

743
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: some of those twists identity though, But some of those twists,

744
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: the way they're running, some of those pick stunts, some

745
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: of that stuff works. They're doing that stuff now. So

746
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: it's not anything that the Rams can't do or have

747
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: it done before. They Detroit just did it a lot

748
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: and it worked against Donald. So you're going to see

749
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: some of that on Monday, guaranteed.

750
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: Okay, let's put it in a little bit more fine

751
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: tuned Layman's terms, especially considering the red zone defense the

752
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: Lions put up against the Vikings. Was there any patterns

753
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: or schemes you notice that held Sam Donald to pretty

754
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: much zero in the red zone?

755
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: You know? I mean it's weird when you watch. I

756
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: think Minnesota was off.

757
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 3: I think he was off, he was off.

758
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: He was right. I think he had a bad game.

759
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: I think they're sitting there with the clicker being like,

760
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: I hope we get this again.

761
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: I couldn't have said it better. Yeah, when you watch that,

762
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: you're like, Wow, why did you go there. This is

763
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: over here. But that's the thing. It happened a week

764
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: before you play him. They're going to fix what ails

765
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: them and they're going to be better.

766
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: Like if you're the Rams, you want Sam Darnald seeing

767
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: whatever ghosts he was seeing last Sunday. I just don't

768
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: think you can use the Lion's formula, yeah, to make

769
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: him see those ghosts. It is not I don't know. No,

770
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: you cover zero press, man physical no, pi, I don't know.

771
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: That's the best thing about football to me is you

772
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: learn from your beats and the next week you're going

773
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: to be better for it. So if you I think

774
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: you'd have to be kind of not smart to throw

775
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: the same thing Detroit threw at him and expect the

776
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: same results. Yeah, mix some of that in, but it's

777
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: not going to work two weeks in a row.

778
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: But cutting off the supply lines is where I go

779
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: back to you. You beat these Vikings by pulling Sam

780
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 3: Darnold's eyes down, Yes, with your four man rush. And

781
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: in fact, it's kind of the opposite of what we

782
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 3: said earlier. Like for the Rams on offense, you want

783
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 3: the Vikings bringing five and six man pressures, ye, because

784
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 3: Stafford can handle that if you're the Rams, you want

785
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 3: to be able to sit back and play coverage all

786
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: night because you're front four, wreaking enough, have it?

787
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: You want to be special? Jared versus go win the

788
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: game there, love it? Yeah, take schul out of it,

789
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: take the coordinators, take the play calls out. Just refuse

790
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: to be blocked. That will make him see ghosts.

791
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: You guys are just perfect segue into Keys to Victory

792
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: because I'm going to go right off of that. I'll

793
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: start with my keys to victory and I'm gonna say

794
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: first and foremost. At Squeeze Sam, they talked about how

795
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: they have what two guys with eleven plus sacks on

796
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: their roster? Well, how about us? We got three guys

797
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: with seven and a half plus. You're kind to give

798
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: some love there, right, You got Fisked with eight and

799
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: a half on the season, Young with seven and a half,

800
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: and Turner with eight and of course Jared vers with

801
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: four and a half. So those guys are going to

802
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: be my key to victory. Who would like to go next?

803
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: You want to go? You know I've been thinking about

804
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 2: this and okay, so Jared Versus, fisk Turner, all the guys,

805
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: we just talked about. I think they're given and given

806
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: any situation, I think they could wreck shop. Now what

807
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: happens when the Paul comes out. I've talked about the safety,

808
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: so i'll say corners and one in particular, I'll say

809
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: Spoon Witherspoon. Okay, you know he's going to be matched up.

810
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: They're gonna come after him. They're gonna come after everybody,

811
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: but they'll probably come after him. So even if you

812
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: give up a reception or whatever, just make sure you

813
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: drop him there and make sure you carry it out

814
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: through the play and not look back if Sam Darnold

815
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: breaks contained. So I think four has played well. I

816
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 2: think he's made some plays, but I think he can

817
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: be a target on game day. I think he will

818
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: be a target on Monday. So I think this defense

819
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: will go as far as coverage takes them, and he's

820
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: going to be a major part of that.

821
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a journey for me. You know, everything

822
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: from Stafford being better than Donald and first quarter scoring

823
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 3: margin and read zone conversions and kicking game, all of

824
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: which I think are going to be integral ingredients. But

825
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 3: because of where you started, I want to finish with

826
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: the home field advantage and there's a lot of conversation

827
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: right now that it's unfair that a fourteen win Minnesota

828
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: team with a plus one hundred scoring margin has to

829
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: come face an NFC West champion in a down or

830
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: a flat division that had a negative scoring margin. And

831
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 3: you're right, it's not fair, but that's how we play

832
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: in the National Football League. And unlike previous moments in

833
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: Rams regular season history, this game just got announced last

834
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: week and from what I hear, there's going to be

835
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: a pro RAMS crowd at Sofi Stadium. I hope we

836
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: can all be there and that the conditions were allowed

837
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: for that, And I would say, make it feel as

838
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 3: unfair as possible. Make the Vikings want to complain that

839
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: that should not how it. You know, it's not how

840
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: it's meant to be for a fourteen win team. You

841
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? Oh yeah, Like that's my key

842
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: to victory. You want vers to dominate this game. Make

843
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 3: sure every snap that Darnold takes is with this it's

844
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: not with his voice.

845
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 2: Who's house and mean it? Yeah?

846
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: I love it, guys. I feel like there's one stone

847
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: that we have left unturned.

848
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: And it better not be another chocolate.

849
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: Oh please, let it be another chocolate bar.

850
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not.

851
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking we really haven't talked much about the

852
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: run game on either side. There's a couple of names

853
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: that I feel like we do need to discuss, whether

854
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: that's Aaron Jones or Kyraen Williams.

855
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 3: And Jones is good.

856
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: He's good.

857
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: He's been a thorn in the Rams side.

858
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: Let me stump for Kyron though. I thought that was

859
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl season, and I don't mind saying that

860
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: out loud. Yeah that's almost thirteen hundo. How many rushing

861
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: touchdowns thirteen fourteen? Yeah, I mean, come on, dude. He

862
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: was the most consistent part of this offense, went through

863
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 2: a rough stretch, straightened himself out three hundred plus carries.

864
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: I thought he was fantastic. So if there is an

865
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: MVP to be given out, I would say on offense,

866
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: you would definitely have to look at him. He has

867
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: really paced this team. So the run game has been

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Speaker 2: huge for this football team. Huges for Matthew Stafford. He's

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Speaker 2: every bit the run game for the Rams right now.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, nothing to add well said, love it well.

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to be putting some extra peanut butter

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Speaker 1: cups in the boot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I realize I'm a bad teammate. I didn't like those.

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Speaker 2: The way back out.

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Speaker 1: There's one thing that's for sure, and that's that we

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Speaker 1: cannot wait to see all of you guys come Monday night,

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Speaker 1: five o'clock in Sofi Stadium. Get there early because it's

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Speaker 1: going to be jam packed. The Rams House is going

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Speaker 1: to be the place to be. This has been between

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Speaker 1: the Horns presented by your Southern California Toyota Dealers for

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Speaker 1: my friends JV. Long, DeMarco Far I'm Cameron Irwin, and

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Speaker 1: a solid reminder stay safe, l A l A together