WEBVTT - At the trade deadline, Cubs president Jed Hoyer did not mess around 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.559 Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.399 Sadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:17.680 Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. Jed Hoyer 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:23.880 does not like the phrase going all in. He's not 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:26.840 one to you know, it was theo Epstein's quote if 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.200 not now when I don't think that that's Jed Hoyer's 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:35.000 mentality exactly. But the way he behaved on Sunday and 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:39.200 Monday right before the deadline, he clearly believes in this team. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:45.840 He was extremely aggressive and he comes away with four pitchers, 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.440 two added to the staff, one bat missing reliever that 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:55.280 is under control through twenty thirty adapth piece in the minors, 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.760 in the right handed bench bat. I mean, that's everything 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.880 that Cubs need. I started thinking right handed bench bat 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:07.119 as we kept hearing shaw injury news that they don't 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:11.319 really know when he's back. But it wasn't like our 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:17.679 primary focus. But that's this is this team is built 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.360 out pretty well right now. And Jed Hoyer, I mean, 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.760 he takes a lot of criticism for last deadline, for 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:31.800 saying things like intelligence spending, for his GM saying telling 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.200 our buddy Jesse Rogers last year that you know, they 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:38.520 got to think about twenty thirty two as well, that 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.000 none of that stuff seemed to be on their mind. 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:45.399 They were extremely aggressive on Monday. 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.920 Jed may not like the phrase all in, but he 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.880 is the one who told us five years ago at 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.480 the deadline, there's no reason to go halfway. And this 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:04.440 was a pretty robust trade deadline. This roster looks pretty 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:09.560 stout right now. It's interesting timing with the Yankees leaving 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:13.440 town and the Dodgers comeing in. And I think you 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.240 and I both know I have known Jed for a 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:22.280 very long time, and we have been hearing this for 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:27.320 a while, just how aggressive he's been, how much he 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:31.760 believes in this team, how he's kind of grown into 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:33.760 more of a THEO role within the front office, not 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.640 just in terms of title, but also kind of trusting 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:43.760 his instincts, having conviction, coloring outside the lines a little bit. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:48.000 And I mean, we look up today, this is a 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.560 much better team than it was Sunday morning. We're recording 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:57.680 here Monday night, and we've talked about Kevin Gossman in 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.480 the previous episode, and I think this first SEC Clay 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.400 Holmes go, why is he a great fit for this 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:05.040 Cubs team? 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.040 I mean he's a perfect fit for this Cubs team 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:13.480 because he gets a ton of ground balls, and I 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:17.000 mean we watch just the way they're playing defense overall 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.880 right now. I mean I can name all the stats. 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:22.959 I looked it up. I don't think I realized how 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:24.840 much better they are than every other team by the 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.200 advanced metrics. But any number you want to look at 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.840 any of those advanced metrics that you like, they are 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.760 significantly better than every other team defensively. And then you 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.000 have a guy like Clay Homes that just gets missus 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.440 barrels and puts it all the ground all the time. 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.960 He just feels like a really perfect fit for this 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:47.160 for this team, and someone that when he was healthy, 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.720 before he broke his leg, was already looking good for 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:55.320 the Mets. And now like it just seems like this 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.800 is a real like a guy that can start game one, 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.440 game two, whatever you want, you got Gosman could start 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.640 game one, game two. I think they have four guys 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.440 that you could probably are they aces? Are they studs? 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.080 You know? I wouldn't put them in that category. I 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:14.600 think some people, I mean Gossman was there at one point. 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.200 But I mean, four guys, if you're including Boyd and Shoda, 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.880 that I think you'd feel comfortable starting game one of 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.800 a playoff series. They're not Trek Skoubel, but these are 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.640 really good pictures. And that's that's four guys. That's a 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.480 ton of depth. You're pushing probably a sad and Ray 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:36.599 to the bullpen. David Peterson's you're five, Edward Cabrera's coming 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.400 back at some point. Maybe they'll go with six man, 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.599 maybe they'll start doing different things. I don't know, but 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.000 like good problems to have, it's what we I think 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:51.680 we talked about this yesterday when we were recording the 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.800 most recent podcast after they got Gosman. But if they 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.560 basically our point was if they pulled this off, like 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.800 they may have some really fun to decisions to make, 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.840 and it looks looking like they will. We'll see who 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.919 gets healthy. But that's that's I mean, suddenly, like and 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:12.240 we know, good offense, great defense, great offense. It's by war, 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.880 it's the best offensive baseball. And now they have the 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.240 pitching depth. You gotta like the way this team looks 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.719 right now. And that's without it, I mean, forget about 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.680 world series odds. Forget about the division lead, like, yeah, 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:27.119 it's gonna be hard with that first round. They're likely 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.080 going to have that. I think Jed talked about. You know, 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.920 we'll see what happens. They're not out of the division, 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.880 but you have to like where they sit right now. 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:43.560 Yeah, I think this should be, you know, a ton 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.880 of insurance against some sort of late season collapse. You 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.599 start from there. I think you at least slightly raise 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.520 the possibility maybe they could catch the Brewers, Like I 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:58.240 don't think they will, but yeah, I think you give 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.839 yourself a chance to do that, and if not, you're 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.120 certainly better equipped if you have to win four playoff 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.080 rounds to win a World series, Like that is what 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.919 this does. We talk about payroll a lot when the 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:17.560 Cubs don't spend to their capabilities. I mean, adding Gosman, 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.760 Holmes and David Peterson in late June, that's like a 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:27.359 fifteen million dollars added to payroll for three starting pitchers 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:32.120 who combined have made forty playoff appearances in their career. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:37.520 So it's like a significant upgrade there, just you know, 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.880 raising the floor, raising the ceiling as well. And I 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.080 think this is kind of a moment. I think the 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.040 headline on the athletic we put was like this is 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.320 the moment Jed Hoyer's been waiting for, Like this is 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.840 his team. You know, he went through the twenty one 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:58.880 cell off, he went through some rebuilding years. He picked 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:05.160 his guys in free agent. See, he overhauled scouting and 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.920 player development. And I think, well, I think you wrote 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:09.920 about this. We'll get into the next segment. Just like 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:14.880 they've created more options for themselves as an organization just 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.480 by building everything up to where they could be one 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:22.280 of those like instant trade deadline winners. When the pundits 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.200 and talking heads go over what just transpired. 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.000 Yeah, I think they you know, they would have loved 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.239 to have gotten that under control starter. We'll talk about 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:34.920 that as well, but gave us some solid talents. Let's 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.960 touch on that real soon, but real quickly. I just 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:40.920 wanted to touch on the other two guys that they 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.640 picked up. We didn't get a ton on Braxton Garrett, 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.720 like he it just sounds like he's depth right now, 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.160 he's gonna be in the minors. Doesn't sound like he's 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.680 coming up right away. Nice to have that option. They've 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.680 liked him for a while. They went and got him 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.760 while they could. Maybe he's he's a part of the 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.560 puzzle next season. I mean he likely is a part 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.200 of the puzzle. Well next season. Maybe we see him 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:08.400 this season. Ryan Zephyr John from the Angels, I haven't 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.000 watched I don't remember watching this guy. I probably did 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.120 watch him, and I just don't remember him. I remember 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.600 when I was looking at Angels pitchers just to kind 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.600 of be like, who do they have because we know 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.560 they were one of the obvious sellers. I saw his 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.440 like strikeout numbers. I was like, damn, this guy's good. 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.640 Probably not available because he's you know, under control for 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:31.120 so long, hefty price, but the dude, missus bats, he's 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.400 got stuff like this is what they wanted, you know, 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.800 they wanted someone nasty at the back end of the bullpen. 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.520 I think it really helps and we'll see who gets 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:45.439 healthy among Palencia, Harvey, Ben Brown, a few others right 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:50.839 Justin Steele, whoever else, Hoby Milner's coming back, all those guys. 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.920 But bullpen could suddenly be a strength by September. We'll see. 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.679 They did enough to make you really, you know, intrigued 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.960 by how things could look by September. Obviously, October, let's 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:08.199 take a quick break and then talk about a couple 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:09.880 of big names that were traded away. 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.520 This is that time of year, aj it is Baseball's 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.760 time to shine, and it is sea Geek's time to 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:21.400 shine with MLB tickets and finding the best pricing, seating 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:25.760 and games that are even sold out available on sea geek. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.760 Absolutely if you want to go to the biggest matchups 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.440 coming up. We have Yankees Cubs coming up. Where's Yankees 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:33.920 red Sox? That means stuff Again, there's some big moments 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.719 that are coming up here in the as the penachases 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.480 really heat up. 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Make sure you 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.760 click the link in the description to download the app 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.000 and have the code automatically added to your account so 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.920 you can use it later, all. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.840 Right, Patrick, In the Zephyr John, I'm gonna like, I 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:18.600 don't want to say it that way. For some reason, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.320 I have to really think about it. Zephyr John deal. 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:25.480 Bias Steros was a key piece of that, was the 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.480 main piece. Mason MacGuire was the second piece, the son 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:32.440 of Mark McGuire, starting pitcher who's had a nice breakout 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.959 season in the minors this here, but bias Teris is 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.800 a big part of that. And then to get Clay 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:45.480 Holmes and Tyrone Taylor, they traded Jefferson Rojas. Entering the season. 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.920 You could make the argument, maybe not even make the argument, 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:54.560 maybe those were two the consensus top two prospects coming 0:10:54.600 --> 0:11:00.440 into the season, and like that they did not get 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.440 They didn't get a controllable starter for either one of them. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.959 They got two rentals in Homes and Taylor, and then 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:12.560 a controllable reliever that they probably believe has like if 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:17.160 not consistent setup man maybe closer upside, but obviously, as 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:21.359 I just explained, he's pretty nasty. But that's like Biasteros 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.360 was their DH to open the season. He was the 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:28.800 you know, quote unquote Kyle Tucker replacement I don't think 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.120 they were looking at him exactly one for one in 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.320 that sense. But yeah, like he's supposed to eat up 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:39.000 some of that production. And if I would have said 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.960 bias Steros was traded, if I told you that in 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.000 May on May first, you would have said they got 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:50.199 the best starting pitcher on the market that is under 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.199 control for multiple years. If you're building a deal around 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.920 Moys's Biasteros, that's how well he was playing one month, 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.800 one and a half months into the season, fell off, 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.440 kind of fell off quick, and other guys passed him up. 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.720 He's not a catcher. I mean, maybe he can catch, 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:09.760 but Owen Ayers is a really good prospect now, so 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.319 he got passed up. But it's still a big name. 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:16.800 That's a big like I I I had heard his name. 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.520 As far as teams being interested, I did not think 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.040 it would be for a reliever, even for a reliever 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.480 that's under control through twenty thirty and is as nasty 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:26.200 as this dude is. 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.800 Yeah, not surprised at all he was traded. Honestly, kind 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:35.120 of shocked that he trade for a reliever with Angels 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:40.040 Like I just did not see that coming. I thought 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.000 this year had kind of reinforced everything the Cubs had 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:47.360 said about relievers and how volatile and unpredictable they are, 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.080 that it's a bad place to spend your money or 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:56.920 invest your resources. We'll see, you know, if this guy 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:00.240 is good, if he gets out, you know, I don't 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:04.440 think anyone will care. I think this is a reflection 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.320 of a lot of guys popping. I know the Cubs 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:12.559 don't have that top rated farm system. Cubs fans understandably 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:17.200 roll their eyes at Cubs prospects, but you know, you 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.960 go back to spring training. Pedro Amirz probably made the 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:25.880 best impression out of any young player in camp, and 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:32.199 he is now contributing regularly for a playoff contender. There's 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.200 the Hartshorns, There's you know, a bunch of players at 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.960 Triple A. Some guys, some of them got moved in 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.160 deals for pitching, but they still have kind of a 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:47.800 lot left over. When they talk about a scouting and 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:52.280 player development machine, that Dodgers obviously do it better than anyone. 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:57.120 But I think this deadline showed that the Cubs have 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:02.520 gotten better in those areas that they they created these opportunities. 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:09.040 They were able to find matches with multiple teams and 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:13.400 lots of deals with different sort of structures and horizons 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:19.440 and expectations. Like I thought, overall that was pretty impressive 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:24.280 and kind of you know, we look at these deadlines 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:28.680 as one day. Craig Council sort of rejected that premise 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.560 when I mentioned to him because he just was not 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.760 outwardly excited about the deadline, And I said, I get 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.840 it's repetitive, but like your life changed at the trade deadline, 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:41.760 he got moved to the Marlins. There has this great 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:47.800 world series moment and although it was interesting, your life 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:49.680 never changes in one day. It is all about doing 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.120 it every single day and sticking with it. And I 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.640 think this deadline was an outgrowth of like decisions that 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.400 were made years ago. 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:02.520 Yeah, I mean Pedro Ramirez's development, I think is huge 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.440 in being able to give up Jefferson Rojas. Yes, you 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.840 have Matt Shaw as well. We'll see when he gets back. 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.800 Jed didn't make it seem like he's a return is imminent, 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.160 made it sound like they will see him again this year. 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:21.480 But clearly they got Taylor because they wanted the right 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.720 hand at bat that they could trust coming off the bench. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.560 I also wouldn't be surprised if we see fewer Ian 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:31.240 happ at bats against Lefty's Kevin Old Coontrac got the 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:36.200 start tonight. We're recording on Monday Night. But Ramirez's development 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.920 was huge. On Ayers development was huge. King Kepley is 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.920 a name that we heard was getting asked about a lot. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:48.960 Of course, Hartshorn is a huge development. So like Pedro Ramirez, 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.880 I think has quickly become a really trusted piece of 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.680 this team. I'm not surprised people were asking about him. 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.640 He can play all over, he's good defender. He made 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.280 a hell of a play on Monday Night, the really 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.960 nice diving play, and he can hit. I think the 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:13.560 power isn't you know, really a huge part of his game, 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.320 but I think it's there. I think it's going to 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.560 start to come. We saw it in the minors this year. 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.400 And he knows how to get a hold of the ball. 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:24.520 Really valuable player. Made Rojas expendable. Like and I'm not 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:30.800 sure if the public rankings are as accurate as what 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.360 other teams value, right and like one team may have 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:39.840 loved maybe a half dozen teams love Jefferson Rojas. Perhaps 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.080 none of those teams had pitchers that were available, or 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:46.800 none of them were sellers. But I don't think it 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.000 didn't sound like the teams that like had the controllable 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.000 starters were salivating to get their hands on Jefferson Rojas. 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.280 That's not a knock on him. It's just that you know, 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:00.520 teams value different players differently. One team may we love 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:04.520 Argent Nimola who was traded for Jose Cerriano, and another 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.840 team maybe like that guy's not a top one hundred prospect. 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.919 It's it's it's all over the place. You know, different 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:13.520 front offices value guys differently. But you're right, it was 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:17.600 a big It's been a big season for player development, 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.320 particularly with the bats not great. With the pitching. They'd 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.000 love to have better pitching. I think some guys took 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.360 his stuff forward. They traded one Mason McGuire. I think 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.719 Brooks Caple has had a good season. Jackson Wiggins has 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.560 been unremarkable this year, injured and when he's been out 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:37.240 there it hasn't looked great. Uh, But the position players, 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.720 you've got to give him props, and they seem to 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.960 believe that they can just kind of replenish it. That 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:46.080 was kind of Jed's point. It's like, well, you got 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.399 to draft, got to keep drafting me. We trust that 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.680 we'll be able to draft and sign guys international free 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.960 agents that can you know, do with Rojas and and 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.760 Biasteros and Jonathan Long and Brett Bateman and all these 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.439 guys that got pieces. And that's the other thing we 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:07.840 talked about this last episode. They have that last playoff 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.720 run the Great Team, the World Series team. They went 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.920 and got eroldas Chapman. They went and got Jose Quintana, 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:18.520 and then after that the system was done. The system 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.840 was barren. They did not draft well, they did not 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.440 develop well, they did not sign international free agents. Well, 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.720 nothing was working. They had a really down period for 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.040 a while there, and that's why, you you know, it 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.639 kind of went away quickly. They didn't have the depth 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:41.200 to replenish via trade or even backfield. But like this 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.600 team is backfilling with Peyed Ramirez and then trading with 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.920 like Jefferson Rojas. That's it's really important. 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:50.520 I think ROAs is going to be a good major 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.920 league hitter, not sure if he's gonna stick at shortstop. 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:01.199 I think by Asteros needed to change the scenery at 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.359 this point, just an opportunity, I you know, someone be 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.000 curious to see what he does out in Anaheim with 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:11.200 five at bats next year. I don't think it really 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.320 matters as long as you get what you want out 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.240 of the out of the deal. Like, who cares what 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:20.760 they do if you have a potential closer for years 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:25.600 to come and Clay Holmes is either you know, starting 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.520 game one or two or closing out a clinching game, 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:30.800 uh in a playoff series. 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.800 Yeah, and and we didn't even mention that they have 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:40.760 Alex Bregman, Dan Swatson, Nico Horner, Like where are these 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.639 guys playing? Like you barely have spots for Matt Shaw 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:47.760 and and Peedro Ramirez. Uh, think they're valuable guys on 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:51.200 this team. But still it makes sense. You gotta you 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.919 gotta move when you have this type of depth, like 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.919 you gotta leverage it before it doesn't like it. Someone 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.239 like Kevin all Cotra or maybe James Treanto's isn't as 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:04.800 valuable as they were maybe a year or two ago. 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.560 So you've got to strike when the iron's hot and 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.920 and try and maximize the value. Here, let's take a 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.960 quick break and talk about something I guess that they 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.240 didn't do, and let's get that controllable starter. 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.239 For parents looking for a new path to help your 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.919 child succeed this year, There's still time to enroll in 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.960 K twelve powered online schools. K twelve powered schools offer 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:32.320 tuition free, accredited online public education for students in kindergarten 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.520 through twelfth grade. 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Meers Emerson, Hancock with Seattle, 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:53.000 and George Kirby with Seattle, deptmers Is with the Angels. 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:58.800 None of them were moved, certainly, Like we know, Deptmers 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:03.320 would have cost more than Soriano. I think Kirby and 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:07.320 Hancock were in similar situation. Hancock was under control for 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:11.640 a year longer than those other three that we've mentioned 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:15.520 a lot. I think the Cubs wanted one of those guys. 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:18.520 I think they would have liked to come away with 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.639 one of those guys. One thing that we heard was 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:25.320 just like last year. Jed said it, like last year, 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:30.600 the cost was too high. Again at the deadline, the 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:33.320 cost is too high. It's interesting, like when these prices 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:38.960 go up and down like deadline, starting pitching under control 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:40.680 is hard to get. It's a little cheaper in the 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:45.359 off season. Perhaps maybe they revisit this in the off season. 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:47.000 We'll see what the off season looks like. We can 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.320 talk about that later. But I did think it was 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:52.959 interesting that they gave up so much and they couldn't 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:56.520 get that one elusive thing that they kind of feel 0:22:56.720 --> 0:23:01.359 kind of felt like was probably priority number one. Uh 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:04.320 maybe priority number one was just get pitching, and then 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:08.040 like right below it was like, hey, get a controllable starter. 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.600 Let's let's find a way to do that. I don't 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:13.639 think it was an unwillingness to pay up. It was 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:16.280 just like that price is a little bit crazy. I 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.840 think it would have cost like I think Rojas would 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:21.800 have been like maybe not the first piece, but the 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:25.080 second or even third piece. And when you start talking 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:27.520 like that, like that's a little that's a lot, and 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:30.800 you're taking away maybe Peter or Marez or you can't 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:32.600 move by Asteris because you have to give up Bowen, 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.399 a Ors, whatever it is. It sounds like it was 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:41.040 very you know, robust price. Yeah. 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:45.360 I mean, look that they I think planned a bit 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:47.879 for the future by adding this much pitching to where 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:51.480 Ben Brown and Justin Steele are not on the clock 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.679 in the same way. Not that they're going to be 0:23:54.840 --> 0:24:02.280 reckless or careless otherwise, but I think that could buy 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:06.280 you a little bit of time or maybe not put 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:12.960 them in the same stressful situations now that they're gonna 0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:15.040 run him out there like a role as Chapman. But 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:20.240 I think brings a little more order to the pitching staff. 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:24.480 Look these guys they got, We'll see how they do. 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:29.040 But I'd imagine Clay Holmes when he opts out of 0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:31.840 his contract, would be an attractive free agent target for 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:37.160