WEBVTT - Jimmy Kimmel 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.280 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets Podcast. 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.759 My guest today is the one and only Jimmy Kimmel. Jimmy, Bob, 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:20.080 how are you? I'm doing? Okay, let's start from the beginning. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.120 Do you ever pinch yourself that you have a late 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:27.120 night show, you host the Oscars, the Emmy's, you're the 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:30.320 face of ABC. I mean, do you ever say, how wow, 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:32.839 this is unbelievable. How did I get here? No? You 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:34.839 know what I do is I make it all negative. 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.800 I try to focus on the negative and the things 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:41.239 that I don't want to do. But you're right, and 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.440 in fact, I was. I was just thinking about this 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:47.919 because I was thinking about a dinner I had at 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.720 my house with a bunch of comedians, and um, you 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:54.040 has some guys that I always loved, and I thought, wow, 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:58.240 I hope I never get over that feeling of two things. 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:02.400 Number one, I can't believe these guys are in my house, 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.240 and then number two, I can't believe this is my house. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.479 Let's just go back for a second. Was the negative 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.920 thing a joke? Because don't forget a Letterman. Letterman is 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.520 you know, uh famous for being self loathing and finding 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.440 the cloud in any silver lining. I am not self 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.480 loathing by any means. I you know, I think I 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:28.040 have relatively good self esteem. But I don't want to 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.000 do anything I have to do. Even if I enjoy 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.040 doing the thing I have to do, I want to 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.600 do it. It's a weird thing. It's like anything that's 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.440 on the schedule as my enemy. Uh my dream day 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:43.280 is something that has no appointments on it. So you know, 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.240 I know it's not the greatest way to look at things. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.760 It's actually a very bad way to look at things. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:52.800 But it does seem to be conssistent throughout my career. Okay, 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.760 so let's say you have a day with nothing on 0:01:55.800 --> 0:02:00.840 the schedule. Is that end up being great? Were does 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:05.200 the day drag? Oh? The day never drags. There always 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.800 a million things to do. And my wife makes fun 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:09.440 of me because we have a beach house and we'll 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.320 go there on the weekends and I'll just sit at 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.640 the table in the kitchen and work all day with 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.200 the door open. She's like, you know, you never even 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.040 you didn't even look, you didn't go outside all day. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.040 It's like, I know, I just need to catch up. 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.000 I just I that's what relaxes me being caught up 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.200 on that huge list of things to do? Do you 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.880 actually have a list? Keep a list? I do I 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.200 keep a list? Is it a physical or do you 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.400 keep it in an app? I keep it in you know, 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:42.080 the notes app. I keep mind too. It goes to 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:47.320 do April, and then I don't get to most of 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.400 the things, and it becomes to do May one and 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.800 so on. Now do you have certain things that just 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.160 stay at the bottom month after month after month. Let 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:58.760 me look at it right now and I'll tell you 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:03.320 this will be in true thing. Okay, um, yeah, there 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.760 are certain things that, um that do stay at the bottom. 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.960 One that aren't urgent, and there are things that I 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.880 hope to get to, but like I have to make 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.560 a video for a charity that doesn't have a real 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:19.360 hard deadline, so I haven't gotten to that. There's a 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.680 listed something that says t shirts. I don't even know 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:26.079 what that means. Uh. There's something that says fire pits 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.799 with a question mark next to it. So well, it's 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.120 funny because at the bottom I have this I have 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.120 to make this phone call to this rock star I 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:36.680 know pretty well, but I know what's gonna be like 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.840 two or three hours, and I haven't quite geared myself 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.000 up for it. And now it's been like five months, 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.040 and I said, well, if I cross it off, does 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.480 that mean I'm not doing it or just that it's 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:52.040 in my mind? But let's go back. Is it just 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.480 a hurdle that once something's on the schedule and you start, 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.040 you forget it, you know your anxiety or you're not 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:00.920 wanting to do it just a years or do you 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.240 have to kind of get revved up and get into it. 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.320 Um No, I'm okay. Once I get you know, I 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.080 have so many things to do that it's just like 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.760 I'm like a like a hooker in some ways, it's 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:12.760 just like, all right, let's he here we go. All right, 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.520 let's just do this. And there are a lot of meetings. 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:19.040 The meanings are the things the thing that I don't 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:23.159 necessarily care for. But most of it's fine. Most of 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.240 it is me doing what I call homeworks, is editing 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:32.560 scripts and going through hundreds of ideas and figuring things out. Yeah, 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.919 that kind of thing. Okay, let's separate their meetings that 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.520 are business and meetings for the show. What percentage of 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.920 there meetings for the show and what percentage or meetings 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:48.520 for external stuff for the show for external stuff. Okay, 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:53.120 so during COVID, were those meetings done via zoom or 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:57.960 conference call or what they're mostly still being done via zoom. 0:04:58.000 --> 0:04:59.640 I don't know if you know this, Bob, but COVID 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.880 is not over yet. I know that Steve Cropper thinks 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:06.240 it is. But well, I will tell you it's a 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.560 very strange thing if we get into this, because I'm 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.440 taking it very seriously. I know. I mean you probably 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:12.840 do too, those of us who know a lot of 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:14.599 different people. I know a lot of people have died, 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:20.159 and it's definitely possible. And in my particular case, I 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.960 take the one drug that if you take it, the 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:27.640 vaccine doesn't work. So I have been vaccinated months ago, 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.599 and they now have a test that can literally show 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.960 how many antibodies you have. And the threshold on the 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.960 test is one. Most people have over twenty. I have 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.680 point one. So I don't go down my whole avenue. 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.920 But I will say I'm taking it unbelievably seriously. Other 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.520 than doctors, I'm not seeing anybody. I'm going hike in 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.200 the mountains. Otherwise I'm home. I'd close up your nose 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:54.400 holes if I was you. I mean, just that's a boy. 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.320 That's scary. I'm sorry you're going through that. That is, 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:59.839 but I will tell you I was just at it. 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:03.040 I just did a shoot this morning at a gymnastics place, 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:08.359 and I'm trying to learn to do a cartwheel and 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.320 one of the people neither can I by the way, 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.080 none of one of the people that works there. You know, 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.680 we were putting a mask and somebody's like, yeah, her 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.600 husband passed away from COVID. It's like, oh my god, 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:22.719 you know it's you. It's easy to forget that these 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:27.040 numbers that you see on CNN, that there people, and 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:31.159 that people lose their loved ones to this, and that 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.240 it's not just an inconvenience, which I think is what 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:38.920 it is for probably most people, just in inconvenience. That's 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.080 more than an inconvenience. Well, there's so many things there. 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.480 I mean, well, people don't realize is someday they're gonna die, 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:50.120 even like Sumner Redstone or as Jerry Seinfeld says, we're 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:54.159 here to be replaced. And what they when you die, 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.840 I don't care who you are. Life goes on. So 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.280 you think what you're doing is so important. It's really 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.200 a strange thing. But when you have these meetings, do 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:07.799 you run the meeting? Um? Not? Usually no, who runs 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.920 the meeting? The meeting is usually focused on me, So 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.240 it depends on what department I'm talking to. They're usually 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.280 pitching me stuff or trying to get my take on something. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.800 Usually I don't run the meeting, no, okay, But in 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:25.800 the meeting it demands your attention the whole time. Yeah, 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.960 so you're not doodling. You're not, you know, surfing the 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.360 web while you're doing this whatever. I am doodling, but 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:36.880 but my not different part of my brain is paying attention. Okay. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.360 Can one say that you're moving so fast and there's 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.240 so much in the landscape that really you don't have 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.640 time to think about it and what it means. Yeah, 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:47.960 there are a lot of things I don't have time. 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.720 There are things I wish I'd had more time to 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.760 think through. But you know, the worst part of this 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:59.280 job is being asked a million questions and knowing, unless 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:03.560 you're a lunatic, knowing that yeah, a certain percentage of 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.960 your answers have to be wrong. There again't all be right. 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.240 So you could ask like two questions in a day, 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:15.000 and that doesn't even count picking between jokes or bits 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:19.000 or whatever it is, and um, a certain percentage of 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.520 them are not going to be right. And it's you know, 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.840 that's just something that you have to accept. You know. 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.560 I go to a therapist for that because it's very hard. 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.520 He says, just make a decision, whether it's right or wrong. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.760 It's you know, it's what you've already achieved that you 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.120 know that a certain number will inherently be wrong. But 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:36.880 I will tell you, Bob, I'll tell you a weird thing. 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.280 I can make a million decisions when it comes to 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:43.959 work or you know, comedy or material whatever, But when 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.040 it comes to trying to figure out what to do 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:51.080 for vacation, I am I mean, and my wife is 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.880 this way too. We cannot ever make a decision. It 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.960 becomes like we almost always make the decision at the 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.320 last minute. Well, we're absolutely us two, but because we 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.760 just can't, it's just two. It's overwhelming and it's a 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.160 weird thing. And we have talked about it, like why 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.679 is this Why can't we figure this out? Why is 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.040 this so difficult? And I don't know what the answer is. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.400 I really don't. Generally speaking, of you, the kind of 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.280 guy who doesn't plan ahead. I know, I very much 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.640 plan ahead, very much. So so it's only in this 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:26.560 one area that you're stifled, so to speak. And so 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.880 how many weeks a year are you off from the show? 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:34.640 I am off? Now I have a new arrangement with 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:39.200 ABC where I take the summers off I am off from, 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.600 which is really just July and August. So I'm off 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.880 July and August, and then we have I think, um 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:50.480 six weeks spread throughout the rest of the year. Okay, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:55.160 you know famously Johnny went to four days, but Letterman 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.320 had five shows a week, even though he did two 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.320 on one day. To take the summer off, must have 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:06.160 been pretty confident in your status to even ask for it. Yeah. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.760 Actually I didn't even ask for it. I was thinking 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.400 maybe that maybe I've had enough. I don't know if 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.680 I can continue going at this pace. And either my 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:18.240 agent or ABC or some combination of the two said, 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:21.360 well what if you had the summer off? And I said, well, 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:24.200 that would be great, and I think I could that 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.960 I think could keep me going for a little while. Okay, 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:29.800 so you have a summer off, you have young children. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:34.400 What's the general plan. Now. You know that's hard for me, Bob, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.880 I can't figure it out. Well, let's start for the beginning. 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:41.400 Your house is in the South Bay, right, your beach house. Yes, okay, 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.360 that's a big thing in l A. Because most people 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:48.520 are north, they are Malibu. Whatever. How did you decide 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.440 to be south? I have had I have a very 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.400 small house. Our house is square feet and I have 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:59.760 had it since. I've had it for sixteen years, I think. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.320 And I love it down there. I like people on 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:07.760 the beach. I don't like Malibu. I don't like I 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:09.719 just don't like the way it goes, you know. I 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:15.679 like to see umbrellas and children and families and groups 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.600 of people on the beach. I enjoy it. Nobody bothers 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.439 me down there. People are very nice, and it's just 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:25.040 it just relaxes me. When I I come over there. 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.560 There's a little hill that I go down to go 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.320 down to the beach. When I go over that hill 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.480 on Friday, I feel a sense of relief and it's like, oh, 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.920 this is the weekend. It's happening. And do you have 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:41.480 anybody's who have houses down there? Um? Almost my whole 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:45.760 family lives down there. My parents my in laws, my cousins. Uh, 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.720 so we have a lot of friends down there. Okay, 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:53.560 let's queer switch gears completely. Uh. The reason we're doing 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.640 this podcast not that is we had a series of 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:00.559 emails about the whole late night world and you were 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:04.920 telling me that primarily or a big factor is creating 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.040 stuff to post online. Can you tell us a little 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.880 bit more about that, amplify that. Well, I don't know 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.400 if I put it that way. I just you were talking, 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.079 you know, I think you, um, you are a harbinger 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.359 of death when it comes to all of our businesses 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:25.320 that we've loved throughout the years, throughout our childhood, and um, 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.720 you know, for the most part, you're right. But I 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.319 do think that what people miss and people are so 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.120 focused on, like Nielsen ratings when it comes to and 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.440 I'm not talking about primetime television. I'm talking about late 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.559 night television. If you were to look at the Nielsen ratings, 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.760 you'd say, wow, things have really gone downhill. But if 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.760 you look at the reality of late night television, it's 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.960 that people are watching it on YouTube. People are millions 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:55.480 of people every night are watching my monologue and Cold 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.600 Bear's monologue and Falon's and Seth Meyers and James Cornet 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:03.000 Are they just we actually um offered our product up 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.920 for free to YouTube and we get almost nothing in return. 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.080 And now people don't have to watch our show anymore 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.679 because they know they get it there. Well, one thing 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.560 we did discuss. You weren't sure the answer to this 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.640 is to what degree it is monetized on YouTube? Um, 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.880 well it is monetized. But the I mean you're talking 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.760 about compared to television rate revenue, You're you're talking about 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:32.880 probably ten of our revenue comes from YouTube. Okay, So 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.559 what is the goal? Is the goal you say a 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.680 lot of people they're watching, they never watch you on 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.080 regular television when you're on for an hour, So it's 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.320 not revenue. Is it to keep your name in the game? 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:50.000 Is it for personal satisfaction? What is it all about? Well, 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.200 it just kind of happened, is the truth. It was. 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.360 Um we started The reason we even started a YouTube 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.800 channel was because we made this video called I'm Fucking 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.800 Damon and everyone was posting it and it was getting 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:08.760 millions of views on a lot of people's pages and 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:10.640 it had nothing to do with the revenue. I just 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.400 didn't like the way some people were posting it. Some 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.720 of them were cutting out the interest and it was 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.559 like messy. I didn't like how it was being presented, 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:20.640 so I said we should we should start our own 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.320 YouTube channel so we can post these videos in the 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:27.960 way we want them to be posted and then viral 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.800 videos from late night television shows just for those people. 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.000 Were just for those people who may not be you know, 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.560 your biggest fan. What year are we talking about, Um, 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.600 we are talking about Let's see when was that video? Maybe? Okay, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.360 I can figure it out because it was made for 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.000 my forty birthday, but then there was a writers strike 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:47.400 so we had to hold it. I think it was 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:51.640 two thousand eight beginning. So this was really early YouTube, 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:56.120 before all the influenzer craziness, never mind Instagram, etcetera. Yes, 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.520 it was very early. I'm I'm certain we were the 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.520 first show late night shoot to have a YouTube channel. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.760 So then we started posting our videos there just because 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.480 you know, you want people as many people to see 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:12.000 your stuff as possible. It seemed like a way, uh 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.400 to catalog your show and your best bits, and then 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.560 people could go and look at something you're particularly proud of. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:22.000 We none of us realized that it would go completely 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.160 upside down and most people will be watching on YouTube, 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.440 you know, and that's what has happened. But you can't 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.680 really put it back in the box, you know. It's 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.280 it's you can't just get off YouTube. It's not because 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.720 you'd have to coordinate with all of the shows to 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.000 get off YouTube, and then you'd have pirates putting the 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.000 stuff up anyway, and it usually takes twenty four hours 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.360 to get it taken down, so it would just be 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.600 you'd wind up just like chasing your dog around in circles. 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:53.160 What did ABC say about this? They, you know, they 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.680 felt the same way. They're like, yeah, fine, you know, uh, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.160 let's we'll put it on you We'll go on YouTube, okay, 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.000 because some of these channels they insistence on their own 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:06.360 domain page and they kill it on YouTube, etcetera. You 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.000 got no static or you were so early that the 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:12.360 paradigm was set before they realized what was happening. Yeah, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.440 and we were all in the same boat. None of 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:18.920 us saw this as the basically outlet from I mean, 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:24.000 we're we're all we're all doing shows for YouTube and 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.360 being paid by someone else to do them, which is 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.680 a great spot to be in if your YouTube. Okay, 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.200 but let's talk about Jimmy Kimmel. So now you're creating 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:37.480 a show every night. To what degree in the back 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.240 of your mind are you thinking does this work on YouTube? 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.880 Very little? I I always try to remember what I'm doing, 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.040 what I was doing at the beginning. Um. I have 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.520 an idea of what is going to work. But I 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:54.360 do not program the show for YouTube. Do you watch 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.960 the YouTube numbers? Yes, we do look at the YouTube numbers. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:02.560 You particularly you watch them. I look at it every week. 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.399 I get a report on on it every weekend, and 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.000 every once in a while there's something. If I'm particularly 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.080 interested to see how it's doing, how it's playing, I 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:16.000 will look. Okay, Now you must know what works and 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.520 doesn't work on YouTube, right, I have a pretty good idea. Yeah, 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.880 So what works generally and what doesn't work? The monologue 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:29.639 is works best of all, um the um uh, certain 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.440 comedy bits, when you really put your foot into them, 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:37.200 those will play very well. Mean tweets. Um. There's certain 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.760 bits that we do regularly that do well because people 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:47.000 know to look for them. What doesn't do well is music. Weirdly, Um, 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:51.160 of course we have it's difficult because there are licensing 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:56.800 agreements that prevent us from posting many of the performances 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.720 that we have. So it actually surprises me a little 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.560 bit because I would think that music would be more 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:08.160 popular on YouTube than it is. Uh, just going back, 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.000 what is the life span? Obviously these things live on 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:16.480 YouTube essentially forever. But if you do something, do people 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.160 then watch within twenty four hours or is it a week? 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.320 What you know? What's the wind of the greatest number 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:27.919 of people watch a clip? Definitely the first twenty four hours. Um, 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.520 it will extend to a few days usually, But then 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:35.320 what happens, which is interesting is you build this catalog 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:39.640 of material and people will will come back to that 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:43.920 material and um bits that you did ten years ago 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.600 and watch that stuff and it gives you a kind 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:52.080 of a huge viewer base. Okay, do you have any 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.960 idea because the monologues are in the neighborhood at ten minutes, 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.520 do you have any idea what percentage of people who 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:02.480 start stay for the whole monologue? Um? I don't know. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.960 I did know at one time. The monologues are usually 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:10.280 around fourteen minutes, fourteen fifteen minutes. Um, I know that 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.760 they do well when they're long people. I think most 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.160 people tend to watch the whole thing. Okay, now your 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.639 monologue is a little bit don't. Let's start from the beginning. 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.480 You were not a stand up comic before. Maybe we'll 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:27.720 get to that later. But Johnny used to do his 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.679 monologue and it was almost like it was clear he 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.440 didn't write the jokes, and he'd be laughing at the jokes. Okay, 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.040 and then Letterman made a whole thing of you know, 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.159 the joke doesn't have to be good, etcetera. But you 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.480 have changed the monologue, and you'll have footage and all 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.320 kinds of things within the monologue. It's just that when 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.960 you've even Bill Maher and HBO, he does his five 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.800 to ten minutes. Then we go into the show. Whose 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:56.320 idea was to change it up like that? Um, it 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:00.639 wasn't really anyone's idea. Just happened. It's just I wish 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:04.040 I could say there was some master plan, but it 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.679 when I started the show. First of all, Regis called 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.320 me and he gave me. I said, give me some advice, Regis, 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:13.639 and he said, well start, how do you know Regis? 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.880 I I you know Regis and I gravitated to each 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:21.640 other somehow, Um, I've done it. I've done Regis when 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:25.040 I was hosting The Man Show and oh Regis. I 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.199 know how I know Regis because he liked I was 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:31.480 on Fox NFL Sunday. I was a prognosticator and Regis 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.240 is a big football fan and he liked me from that. 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.439 And I was actually contested on Who Wants to Be 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:40.239 a Millionaire long before I had the talk show at 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.879 ABC when Regis was the host, and um, Regis and 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.560 I had a little chemistry. Somehow he got a kick 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.480 out of me, and I out of him. So Regis 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.119 called me and he um. He gave me the advice 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:56.160 to make the monologue my own. He said, the rest 0:20:56.240 --> 0:21:00.000 of the show is about other people. It's about the guests, 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:01.800 about the music and whatever you have going on. But 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:04.960 the monologue that is your time. That's that should be, 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:09.800 that's yours, and don't forget that. Don't turn it over 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:14.120 to others. Um, do the monologue. Be the guy who 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:18.560 does the monologue. And I was like, okay, thanks. What 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:20.760 My plan when I started was I had nothing written. 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.440 I had no jokes written. The first year and a 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.600 half of the show, I would go in, I'd sit there. 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.880 I didn't even stand up, and I bullshit my way 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.640 through the monologue like it was a radio show. And 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:38.600 as like as I I became more discriminating, I started 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:41.879 evaluating the show a bit more closely. I got over 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:44.320 the like, oh my god, we're just lucky we got 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:48.159 this show on the air tonight phase of the of 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:53.560 the job. I started writing more, and I started refining 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:59.160 well and planning and doing and shooting bits with real content, 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.639 and um uh, these are things that I don't know 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.560 why I wasn't doing them. I looked back on those 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:07.399 early shows and I go, I thought I was pretty smart. 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:09.199 I guess I wasn't. I had no idea what I 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.399 was doing. It was a big mess. Everything was a mess. 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:16.600 It was just a fucking disaster. It's a miracle that 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:20.560 we made it to the second year. Okay, so is 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.680 your show the type where you're open to anything someone 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:26.760 comes in with a wild idea. Do you tend to 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:30.520 say yes? So you're the kind of guy says no. Um, 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:32.159 I don't know how to answer that. I know what 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:35.000 works for our show, and I know what doesn't, and 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:38.399 I know I've learned over the years that there's always 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:41.160 this idea when you started talk show. Then I'm gonna 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:43.280 mix it. I'm not gonna do it the way everybody 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:46.320 else did, and I'm gonna bit's. I'm gonna revolutionize this 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:48.880 and and what you wind up doing is something that's 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:51.280 not a late night talk show. You wind up doing 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.800 something else. And maybe what you're doing is good, but 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:58.919 it's not. You know, it's like being a baseball player. 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.360 In a lot of ways. You still have to have, um, 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:06.320 you know, ninety ft between the bases and sixty six 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:09.280 inches to the pitchers mound, and yeah, maybe there's gonna 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:11.840 be a little bit of variable when it comes to 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:15.480 where the outfield fences or the shape of the field itself, 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:18.720 but ultimately you just have to you have to work 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:21.200 within a box or else you're not doing a late 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:25.080 night talk show in the same way these morning television shows, 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:28.880 you know the Today Show, um, you know Good Morning America. 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:31.959 They're kind of doing the same thing but with different people. 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:36.280 And that is you learn what the viewer wants to 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.080 see at that time, that's what they want to say. 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.560 We've done these big shows where we've had these like 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:45.120 we had krentin Tarantino direct our show. Once we had um, 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:49.919 you know all these different we've done, these unusual bits 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.720 were like I'd get on a bus and do the 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:56.000 show from the bus for the whole night, and you know, 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:58.600 all these crazy stuff that took a huge amount of work, 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:03.200 and it always rates badly. It's weird. It's like people 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:05.439 just want to see the show, Like, all right, you 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:07.399 with your whatever the funk you're doing. I don't know, 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:11.560 but people want to see you do a monologue and 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:14.000 then go sit down at the desk and then throw 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:18.199 it to either a comedian or a band. Okay, you 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:22.040 have a young family, You're doing a five night a 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:27.200 week show. To what how do you keep up? I mean, 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:29.480 how much time do you have to surf the web 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.320 just to get a feel for it on these varying sites. 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:35.840 To what degree do you have to immerse yourself in 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:37.720 the world of the people who are the guests, whether 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:40.719 watch a movie, read a book, whatever. How do you 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:44.480 manage all that? It's a lot. I you know, my 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.480 schedules basically, I go to the work and go to 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:48.800 work in the morning, I come home, I get home 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:52.720 at about six o'clock. The next two hours or for 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:56.280 the kids, and then the next four hours or for homework. 0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:59.400 So I put the kids to bed, and then I'll 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:01.440 go through all my emails and all the stuff I 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:04.359 couldn't get to while I was planning the show. I 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:06.960 um will if I have a movie I need to 0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:09.560 watch or TV show I need to watch, I'll do that, 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:13.680 and then um it all starts over again the next day, 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:16.560 So there's not a there's not a lot of time 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:21.080 for um me to do anything other than work on 0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:24.760 the next day show. Do you ever just fly blind? Say, man, 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:27.360 I've been studying too much. I do this so well. 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:29.840 I can have anybody as a guest. I don't really 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:35.320 have to prepare. No. Never, I don't never do that. Yeah, never. 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.600 But let's assume it was a test like the Tarantino show. 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:42.159 Could you do it? I could do it, and some 0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.720 of them would be good. Some of them might even 0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:47.600 be better than the way I do it now, but 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.520 some of them would be very bad. And I go 0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:54.199 for consistency, and I don't want to get lazy. And 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.960 I think when you start getting lazy, that's when you 0:25:56.960 --> 0:26:00.000 should stop doing the show. I still want the monologue 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:02.520 every night. I wanted to be as good as it 0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:07.399 possibly can be given our time constraints and um, the 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:10.879 constraints of the world. But every night I work on 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:13.800 it as hard as I can until the moment I 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:17.040 have to step on the stage, and then I do it. 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.920 And there's times like I'm very good at reading a teleprompter. 0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:21.760 I can you can wake me up in the middle 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:24.919 of the night, and I could read a teleprompter very well. 0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:28.360 But every night, even though I don't enjoy it, it's 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:31.600 probably my least favorite part of the day. I go through. 0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:36.280 I read through my script and I committed to as 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:40.119 much to memory as I possibly can because I know 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:43.640 that it's gonna make it three better if I do, 0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:46.480 and that three percent makes a huge difference. That's what 0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:55.560 people don't realize. Okay, you grow up in New York 0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:59.520 until like you're nine or ten. What's that about? What's 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:05.640 that like? UM? Brooklyn typical lower middle class upbringing mill 0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:09.360 basin down at the bottom of Brooklyn, UM an Italian 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:14.480 Jewish neighborhood, running around with kids, Mets fan um, flipping 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:18.760 baseball cards, playing stickball in the street. And UM I 0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.040 moved when I was in fourth grade. That's when my 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:25.040 family decided to Okay, you're in New York Okay, you're 0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:30.360 going to school. You're good athlete. Um, i'd say intermediate. 0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:32.840 I say, I wouldn't say I was a good athlete, 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:36.280 but okay, not bad. But you played a lot. You're 0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:38.679 always game to be in the game. How good a 0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:42.399 student were you? Very good student? That's very good student. 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:44.200 Did everybody else? Did you go to public school or 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:48.119 Catholic school? Public school? Okay? Did everybody realize that you 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:52.320 were doing that? Well? Yes, I was. I know it 0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.400 sounds like a German. I was always the smartest kid 0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:56.440 in my class. Okay, so you were the smartest kid 0:27:56.480 --> 0:28:00.679 in your class. Did people resent that? No? I was 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.679 also the funniest kid in my class. Okay, would you 0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:07.320 also say you were the most popular kid in your class? No? 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:11.040 Well yes, um, in the way that I didn't want 0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:13.720 to be not not with girls, for sure, and not 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:16.200 nobody was. Let's start with New York. You leave it 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:18.639 here in fourth grade? So girls aren't that big an issue? No, 0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:20.760 they were a big issue. Yeah, I mean they weren't 0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:23.280 an issue, but yeah, there's definitely. I mean I was 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:27.680 interested in girls from kindergarten on. Okay, wait, how many 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:31.359 kids in your family? We don't know there's three kids 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:33.200 in my family, and where are you in the hierarchy? 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.199 You're the only So all the hopes and dreams are you? 0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:37.480 What kind of personality does your have? What did your 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.120 father have at the time? My father is the kind 0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:42.440 of guy that will tell you about his knee operation 0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:46.520 for four hours straight. What if you try to interrupt him, 0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:49.480 he'll he'll get back on. You can't get him off track. 0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:54.560 It's impossible. Okay, does he tell a good story? No? 0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:00.920 Your mother verbal? Nonverbal? My mother was class wit in 0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:06.960 her giant high school in Brooklyn, Madison and very verbal, 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:10.600 literally never stops talking. Okay, So how didn't work between 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:13.560 your mother and father? He's telling a long story, she's 0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.920 the witch. She's talking. Who can get a worded edgewise? Well, he, 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:20.600 my dad operates. They just talk simultaneously. And I'm not 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.320 joking at all. Like you can be sitting in between 0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:28.400 them and they're both talking to you, and you look 0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:32.120 to them with you know, a look of amusement at first, 0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:35.240 and going like you can both see that you're both 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:37.320 talking to me, And I know I have two years, 0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:40.040 but I only have one brain and I can't process 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:42.480 both of this stuff. But my dad talks at a 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.360 very My dad's like it goes like this, like, so 0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:49.680 your mother, we made a car rental, Uh, we're going 0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:52.040 to Avis and that was a thousand dollars. So then 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:55.120 I looked, I got my discount from American Spread. And 0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:58.480 then my mother is at full volume talking about something else. 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:02.000 So it's it's almost I wouldn't say it's harmony. It isn't. 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:06.160 It's a cacophony, for sure, but they managed to just 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:11.040 talk at the same time constantly. Okay, and how did 0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:13.560 you deal with this, dude? Were you quiet or did 0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:17.840 you jump into I was pretty quiet. I picked my spots, 0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.160 and I really think that's what attracted me to radio, 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:26.160 is just being just never really being heard in the house. 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.000 Okay and usually Okay, how far a part of the 0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:32.320 other two kids in the family from you. My sisters 0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:34.560 three years younger and my brother is nine years younger, 0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:38.000 well nine years younger. It's like a whole another generation. Okay, 0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:42.240 what's your sister think about all this? About? What about 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:45.440 my cacophony? And there's no room for anybody? And now 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:48.640 she comes along, you know, I have to tell you, um, well, 0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:50.920 first of all, just to give you an idea of 0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:53.320 what it was like in my house. Um my sister's 0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:56.000 birth announcement. My wife discovered this as my mother was 0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:59.600 showing her my baby book My sister's birth announcement said, 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:06.280 and I quote, Jimmy has a sister. And it's not 0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:08.520 the way it really played in the favory. It kind 0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:13.120 of did. Yeah, my my sister was my father's favorite, 0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:16.920 and um my brother. I think yeah, I think it 0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.680 was you know, mom with the sons and dad with 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:24.960 the daughter. Okay, now, somebody who's like the class wit 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:30.440 usually gets sent to the office this trouble. The parents 0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:34.040 are called in. Not every day, but you don't go unscathed. 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:37.680 Did that happen with you? Oh? Yes, absolutely, I mean 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.800 it wasn't so it was, you know what, you put 0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:42.800 yourself in a position when you decided to be the 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.320 I was more of the class clown in the class 0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:48.640 with probably, But when you put yourself in that position, 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:53.160 you have to be prepared for shrapnel. You're gonna get it. 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:55.320 I mean, because every once in a while, the teacher's 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:58.360 gonna get really mad. My favorite teachers were the ones 0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:01.200 that that laughed along with the rest of the class. 0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.680 And I had a couple of great ones who you know, 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:07.520 who really you know in the way, that's your first audience, right. 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:10.720 So I had these teachers that got a kick out 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:12.960 of me, and I think part of it was because 0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:15.360 I was such a good student, so they didn't hold 0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:17.320 it against me. But then every once in a while, 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:21.040 I have a teacher that would just lose their minds. Okay, 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.440 your parents would be called in, since your mother is 0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:27.240 such a wit, what would she say about your behavior? 0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:30.040 I don't think you know. I went to always really 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:32.320 big public schools, so there wasn't a whole lot of 0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:36.360 parents being called in. Most of the punishment was meted 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.880 out within the confines of the school, like I'd have 0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:41.960 to go sit in the hall, and which is a 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:44.680 weird punishment. It was like, I'd rather be in the hall. 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:47.200 I don't know what kind of punishment this is, but 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:52.480 uh it was. Uh. My parents didn't get called to 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.160 school a lot. I was always nervous they were gonna 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:58.000 find out what I was up to. Um, But only 0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.280 when I was adulted I realized my mother was probably 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:04.720 up to the same stuff. Okay, and your father and 0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.240 mother were both of them working in Brooklyn, or just 0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:09.680 your father just my father and what was he doing 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:13.240 at the time he worked for My dad didn't get 0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:16.280 his high school diploma. He he went and got his 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:18.760 g e D. Okay, couple, wait wait wait wait wait 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:22.840 before we go there, your father, how many generations in America? 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:28.200 My father many generations in America. Okay, so it wasn't 0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:30.200 like he was an immigrant dropping out of high school. 0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:32.400 What do his parents think about him dropping out high school? 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:36.920 You know what they didn't know? I think, um, I 0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:40.720 think my You know, my grandfather on my dad's side 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.560 was an elevator operator for his whole life. That's what 0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:49.560 he did. So the idea that you would you would 0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:53.400 be expected to achieve something that wasn't something. We didn't 0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:55.840 have that in my family. You know. My grandfather on 0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.640 my mom's side, who was still like the funniest person 0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:02.080 I've ever met my life, was an upholsterer and a 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:06.400 film splicer for his whole life. And both my grandmothers 0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:10.640 were moms. They didn't they went home and they cooked 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.560 and did all that stuff. But there wasn't I mean, 0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:17.359 my dad was first of all. Definitely, my dad got 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:19.360 a g D and then went to like night school 0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:21.680 to get his college degree. He was. Oh, so he 0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:24.600 ended up getting his college degree. He got his college degree. Yes, 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:29.160 and um, there aren't many college degrees in our family. Okay, 0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:33.759 how about your two siblings? My neither one, none of us, 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:37.440 none of us have a college degree. Okay, how did 0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:41.400 your parents meet? They met at a bowling alley in Brooklyn. 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.680 Was an instant attraction or what's the legend? I think so? 0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:47.960 I think it was. And they got married very young. 0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:50.239 My my mom was twenty when they got married. My 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:53.719 dad was twenty two. And when did you come? I 0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:56.920 came when my mom was twenty one. I came, um 0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:00.880 a little over a year after they were married. Okay, 0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:04.000 so your parents come in good front you one day 0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:08.200 say we're moving to Las Vegas. When you're a young kid, 0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:10.400 that's like the worst thing that could ever happen. You're 0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:15.440 leaving all your friends, etcetera. Not really, because my grandparents 0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:17.839 lived there and my cousins lived there. They moved two 0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:21.440 years out of us, so you know, we're it's a 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:25.040 very tight Italian family. We were, we were excited. I was, 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:27.920 you know. And also when I was nine years old, 0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:30.240 you don't know what's going on. It's like, oh, alright, 0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:33.799 we're moving to Las Vegas, you know, so we'll live there. 0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:37.200 And I had some good friends in Brooklyn, but we 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:40.560 were kids, is you know, kids move on to other kids. 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:42.920 Did you stay in touch with him? You ever seen him? Since? 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:46.960 I do. Actually, there's my best friend as a kid, 0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.720 as a kid named Paul Kaplan. He's not a kid anymore, 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:52.600 he's an adult man. He was the craziest kid in 0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.200 the class. I was always attracted to the craziest kid 0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.279 in the class. He really was a nut, this kid, 0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:00.759 and he still is a nut. In fact, he was 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:04.080 one of the um bleacher creatures at the Yankees games. 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:08.359 You know those guys, And it makes perfect sense. And 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:11.840 of course he's the guy. It's Paul Kaplan. And I 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:14.279 know he won't mind me telling this story. Got hit 0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:19.520 by lightning in his living room. Who tell this story? 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:22.400 He could actually look it up and find it in 0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:25.240 the news. Paul was sitting on his couch in Staten 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:28.840 Island watching a Yankees game and an errant bolt of 0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:32.080 lightning came down his chimney and burnt his couch and 0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:37.319 his hair and his TV and him and everything. And 0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:40.920 whether after effects or like, is he okay? You know, 0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:42.920 it's hard to tell because it seemed like he'd been 0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:45.000 hit by a bolt of lightning before he was hit 0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:48.600 by a bolt of lightning. Okay, you moved to Vegas. 0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.200 What is your father do in Vegas? My dad? We 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:54.520 moved there with no job. So my dad was working 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:58.719 at Equitable and IBM in New York. He was like 0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:01.960 a computer program when computers were the size of a house. 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:07.239 And we moved to Vegas and um we my dad 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.600 got a job at a company called Suma Corporation, which 0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:14.000 was owned by Howard Hughes, who was not alive at 0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:17.200 the time, but they owned seven hotels in Las Vegas. 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:21.320 And my dad got a job in management information services, 0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:24.080 which I still don't know exactly what that is, but 0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:26.600 I do know that one of the things that he 0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:30.800 was involved in was setting the odds on the slot machines, 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:34.560 so they were just the slot machines. Whatever the payout is. 0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.600 He was involved in that. So what was his viewpoint 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:40.560 on gambling? What was the mantra in the house? The 0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:43.839 gambling was not encouraged. And in fact, my dad made 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:45.879 a big impression on me, one of the few big 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:49.040 impressions that he made advice wise, we were walking through 0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:51.319 one of the casinos and he goes, you see this 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:54.319 beautiful hotel. I said, yeah, he goes, you think they 0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:57.480 built this from people winning? And I went, oh, no, 0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:00.520 I guess not. I haven't read this. Las Vega us 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:05.840 a monument to losers. The whole town wouldn't exist. Okay, 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.560 need let's just say the weather is a little bit 0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:12.520 different in Vegas than it is in Brooklyn. To what 0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:15.960 degree you adjust depressed and so, I mean it is 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:18.880 really hot there in the degree a hundred and nine, 0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:23.040 you know, it was it's cold in the winter to 0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.080 in Vegas it can get pretty cold. In fact, it's 0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:29.480 snowed the first year we moved to Vegas. Um. But 0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:31.960 you know, I was a kid that did whatever. You know, 0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:35.640 whether it's scorching hot or freezing cold, you're out in 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.520 the street playing. Okay, So in the summer, even though 0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:42.640 it's a hundred degrees you were out making mischief very 0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:45.799 much so. And in fact, my partner in that mischief 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:48.919 is a guy named Clito Escobido. He was he lived 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:52.000 right across the street from me, and we became best 0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:55.560 friends almost immediately, and he is my band leader on 0:38:55.640 --> 0:39:00.719 my show Wow amazing connection. You're very loyal guy. So 0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:03.359 you're going to school. You go to public school in Vegas? Yes? 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:06.560 And or is it the repetition of the same thing. 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:11.040 You're the best student in the funny of the class clown. Yes. Yes. 0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:14.080 In fact, when I moved to Vegas, I was way 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:17.279 ahead of the other The kids in Brooklyn were as 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:20.920 far as public school goes, were quite a bit ahead 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:24.719 of the students in Las Vegas at that time, So 0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.239 I was like a year and a half ahead as 0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:30.920 far as what we're a learning host. Okay, you say 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.120 you've always been interested in girls, So how does that 0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:39.759 start playing out? Um? Uh, it didn't didn't play out. 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:44.480 I would be quietly interested in them, terribly shy. Um 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.520 never would I. I mean I once that in the 0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.640 sixth grade, I asked a girl named Lynn Englestad to 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:54.440 the dance, and it took every bit of courage I 0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:57.680 had to ask her, and she immediately said yes, and 0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:00.200 she as I recalled, she's a beautiful girl, and I 0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:04.680 just I was so taken by her, and I couldn't 0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.879 believe she said yes and then went on the day 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.160 of the dance, which was like an after school thing. 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:13.719 I was two. I was so embarrassed I hid from 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:18.480 her the whole time. Okay, I understand that. What happened 0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:24.120 the next four years in high school nothing. You got 0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:26.680 married at a very young age. I know that's because 0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:28.480 I thought I'd never have a girlfriend. I was like, 0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:31.719 I better get married to this one. And why did 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:38.000 that marriage end? Um? She hated me. Yeah, we didn't 0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:42.160 get along. I think was the problem. And so you 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:46.640 have your first kid at what age? That's a lot 0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:52.200 of responsibility. She turns thirty in August. What's she up to? 0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:55.279 She's an artist. She lives in the Mojave Desert. She 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:59.719 makes ceramics, and she's doing very well. Wow. And your 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:02.839 other kid from that marriage is my son. He is 0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:06.440 twenty seven. He is he works on my show. He 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.600 makes funny videos with his friends, and he's interested in 0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:13.239 doing the type of nonsense that I do. How did 0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:15.640 the those both of those kids get along with Molly 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.400 and the younger kids? Oh? Great, they get they get 0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:22.440 a look great. In fact, is our son's fourth birthday 0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:26.560 yesterday and the day before yesterday, and um, it was 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:28.799 my birthday yesterday. So for a minute there I thought, oh, 0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:33.000 wait a minute, what's your birthdate. Ap Okay, this is 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:35.840 one we came, you know what. We were happy that 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:37.719 he came on the twenty one because you know what 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:43.640 April is, of course, not just Donor Day, but Hitler's birthday. 0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:46.719 And you don't want that. But uh, just in case 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:49.839 there is something to astrology, you don't want your kids 0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:52.799 born on Hitler's birthday. But they get along great. I 0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.439 mean they I mean they all love each other. And 0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:59.200 to what degree do you have contact with your first wife? Uh? 0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:01.880 Not a ton. We you know, our kids are getting married, 0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:04.879 are olders. Kids are scheduled to get married this year 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.239 and next year. So that has brought us together a bit, 0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:10.520 and we get along now. Fine, it's just when we're 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:13.480 living in the same house, it was hard. And did 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:16.560 she get remarried. No, she but she has a long 0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:23.200 term partner and she on the payroll. You mean as 0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:27.360 far as alimony goes. Yes, yeah, she doesn't want to 0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:32.160 get married. Okay, when someone looks at you're reading my mind, Bob. 0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:37.239 When someone looks at your career, those of us who 0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:40.400 were in l A know this ship doesn't happen by accident. 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:47.239 People are not successful by accident. So it's a personality. 0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:51.680 I mean, my interaction with you have been significant yet limited. 0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:54.960 You're very open, you're very warm, you know the same 0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:56.680 type of thing like me and the girl said, comes 0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:58.799 come down to the show, come hang out. It's like, 0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:01.520 you know, it's all it was overwhelming. I couldn't go. 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:07.759 But uh, is you know what kind of guy are you? Are? 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.000 You just a guy's guy and you know everybody, and 0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:15.160 therefore opportunities come along. Um. No, I am a very 0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:21.319 hard worker. I am. I always have been, always, I 0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:22.960 mean since I was when I was when I was 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:25.520 in high school, I worked seventy hours a week. In 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:28.320 addition to going to high school, I worked at a 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:31.640 pizza place, and I worked at a clothing store. And 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:35.080 I just, I don't know, I think maybe it's anxiety 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:38.719 or something, but I was always worried about money. When 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:41.920 I was in radio, I was, you know, really just 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:45.600 barely making it for a long period of time, ten 0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.920 years of really just kind of like going to the 0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:52.000 A T M And hoping that I will have more 0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:55.400 than twenty dollars so I can withdraw to twenty dollars 0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:58.319 to have lunch type of deal. And so that has 0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:00.680 always been with me, and that is you know, that 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:04.120 makes it hard to turn things down, but you have to, 0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:07.920 you know. But definitely it when you go the first 0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:11.640 like thirty something years of your life and then career 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:16.920 not having any money at all, it's um it really 0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:20.919 can like your priority. You know this the things that 0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:23.960 you you have to explain to your younger self or 0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:27.879 sometimes difficult. I mean it's you know, they're like, wait, 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.439 I'm gonna say no to this. It'll take me an hour. 0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:33.279 I can make this much money, and you know, it's 0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:40.600 a constant struggle. Okay, but let's talk about musicians. The 0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:43.000 guy whose name is on you know, not Elton John, 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:46.640 not Rod Stewart, not Drake, but the people who work 0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:51.040 with them, who are actually players, irrelevant of their personalities, 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:56.279 they are unbelievable networkers. They maintain relationships with a lot 0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:59.719 of people because it's all gig work, and they know 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.080 one point they're gonna work a relationship, they're gonna give 0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:07.200 a relationship. Was that at your experience in l A, No, 0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:10.359 not at all. I didn't know anybody, and I never 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:13.400 intended to do anything other than be a radio disc jockey. 0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:15.520 I did not think I would be good at at 0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:20.400 at and being an actor. I'm still not an actor. 0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:25.040 I'm very aware of that. I did. I just wanted 0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:27.360 to make money. You know. I was on the radio 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:30.080 and people thought I was funny, and they would call 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:32.319 me and say, hey, do you want to write for this? 0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:35.960 Or would you like to audition for this? And I'd 0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:38.120 be like okay, and then you know, most of them 0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:42.160 went nowhere. But occasionally I would happen upon something that 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:45.520 was um that worked out, and I had a weird 0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:48.560 you know who Fred Silverman is, right of course, so 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.200 Fred Silverman for those who know, it's the only person 0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:54.919 who ran ABC, NBC and CBS. And this is when 0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:59.040 not simultaneously, but simultaneously, but this is when everyone was watching. 0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:01.400 This is you know, the set of these and eighties 0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:05.799 and a titan of the television industry. But now he's 0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:08.759 an old guy and he's mostly retired, but it's got 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:11.640 a production company that keeps them busy. And I get 0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:13.719 a job writing for a game show, so I'd go 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.440 do my radio show and then afterwards I spent a 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:19.399 few hours writing questions and jokes for this game show 0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:22.400 they were putting together. Have any idea do you remember 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:27.360 what you were getting paid? Um? Probably four hundred dollars 0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:30.520 a week something like that, which was great for me, 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:34.440 I mean, which I was excited about. So and I 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:38.000 meet this guy named Alan Rutcker, who's a great guy 0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:41.360 and who wrote U History of White People in America 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:44.440 with Mark mull and I enjoy hanging around with him. 0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:47.000 So I stay a little longer than I've been planning to, 0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:51.840 and I start now hosting the run throughs. They do 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:53.960 run throughs to work out a game show, and work 0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:57.200 out most every show, well literally a little bit slower 0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:01.200 started writing for the game show. Any writers are there? 0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:05.799 Just me and Alan? Okay, who is doing the run through? 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.759 Before you? No one? There was no show before we 0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:13.560 worked it out. Okay, did you say, hey, I'll be 0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:16.319 the guy doing the run through or did someone say, hey, 0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:19.279 you know, just have him do it. It wasn't either 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:21.719 of those things. It was we were writing the material 0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:26.560 and and then somebody had to read it aloud, and 0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:30.560 so that became me. So I would do this and 0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:32.520 we try to figure out O this and the show 0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:34.680 was terrible. It was not working at all. It made 0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:38.960 no sense. So but they were paying us, and I 0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:41.760 thought I liked Alan, and so I was like, whatever, 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:44.560 so I would host the run through and then there 0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:46.400 we were gonna they were gonna find a host for 0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:50.040 the show. And in fact, they were interested in getting 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:53.239 Kevin and Bean, the guys I worked for at k Rock, 0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:56.719 to audition. They wanted them to audition separately, and they 0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.200 were gonna bring in all these hosts that people know well. 0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:03.959 Ll Fred Silverman comes in to see the final run 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:06.120 through and he's I mean, he's great, look and he 0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.320 looks like an old TV executive. He's got a glass 0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.560 of iced tea in his hand at all that gets 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:14.040 refilled at all times, and uh, you know, big belly, 0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:17.920 and he's he's dressed immaculately and he sits down and 0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:20.399 we do the run through and Fred says, and I 0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:24.520 swear to god this happened. Fred goes canceled the host auditions. 0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:26.440 This kid is the host. Didn't even know what my 0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:33.120 name was. Wow, And I was like what. He's like yeah, 0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:38.959 um and um it was I was like just to stop. Yeah, 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.840 were you doing stick as the host? I mean I 0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:45.960 was walking around okay, and but not with the intention 0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:48.239 of being the host. You know, that didn't my mind. 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:50.799 And in fact, I knew this show was not getting on, 0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:53.560 so it wouldn't it didn't even matter. But what happened 0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:56.600 was we presented this show to a lot of buyers. 0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:59.839 We had a um you know, we had a presentation 0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:02.799 where all these different buyers from these different networks came in, 0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:07.520 and many of them liked me. They didn't had no 0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:10.600 interest in the show. But one in particular was Michael Davies, 0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:12.640 who went on to produce Who Wants to Be a 0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:16.520 Millionaire and who produced a show called Win ben Stein's Money, 0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:19.920 which was my first show, and he called me afterwards. 0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:22.200 He's like, I thought you were really funny and I'd 0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:25.359 love to have you come audition for this show When 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:28.120 ben Stein's Money. We were planning to do it with 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:31.759 ben Stein solo, but we feel like we need a sidekick. 0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:34.480 And I said, well that sounds funny, that sounds like 0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:38.080 a good idea. The game show host plays against the contestants. 0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:41.359 And so I went in and it was great, right, 0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:44.000 I mean, it really worked. Immediately Ben loved me, I 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:47.560 loved him, and that was it. I was. Then I 0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:50.320 was the host of a show that one Comedy Central 0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:53.160 its first Emmy, I think, and was on every night 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:57.239 twice a night. Um, you know we were on uh 0:49:57.280 --> 0:50:00.560 just before the daily show, um, every night, and um, 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:04.359 that's really how it started for me. Okay, how much 0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:06.920 money were you making a k Rock? K Rock I 0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:11.240 was making when I started. I was making fifty dollars 0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:16.480 a year. When I left, I was making like and 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:18.600 how many years were you there? I was there for 0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:21.880 five years. Okay, how did you get that gig? I 0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:25.600 got that gig in a weird way. Guy named Kevin 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:31.080 Weatherly is a great program director. Um was. Everyone at 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:33.680 k Rock was from Phoenix, Arizona, and that's where I 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:36.759 went to college, and that's where my parents lived for 0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:40.880 a long time. So I would call into this radio station, 0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:43.920 k z z P. You know that station. Actually I 0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:46.920 don't huge in the eighties, I think they had the 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:50.640 biggest market share of almost any radio station in the country, 0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:54.680 A huge HR station, very very popular. And I would 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.880 call into the afternoon guys Mike Elliott and Kent Voss 0:50:57.920 --> 0:51:00.040 and they took a liking to me. And then I 0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:03.200 got to know this guy, who is your goal? In calling? 0:51:03.920 --> 0:51:06.239 I just like being on the radio. I was, you know, 0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:09.279 excited to be on the radio. You know, I'd call in. 0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:11.600 They tape a bit with me, I do character or 0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:14.560 something like that, and and then okay, well you're going 0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:16.759 to you we're going to University of Arizona. Are you 0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:19.759 studying radio and television? First of all, how dare you 0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:24.000 Arizona State University? Whichever? You know? I'm not obviously I'm 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:26.799 not Arizona Fluid based on I didn't know the station. No, 0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:29.759 I went no, I was not studying uh that I 0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:34.839 was studying English. Okay, And you didn't finish because because 0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:36.840 I got a job as a disc jockey and a 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:40.600 morning as a morning radio disc jockey in Seattle. And 0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:44.920 how long had you been at college. I've been there 0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:47.640 like two and a half years. I went to you 0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:53.200 and l V for a year two So you're none 0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:55.279 of this is planned. None of this is I gotta 0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:57.880 break my way out of the boonies. I gotta be somebody. 0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:03.719 No not, so you're calling into the station. Continue, I 0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:07.240 called into the station. I actually gave them an idea 0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:11.480 that they used and became a really big deal for them. 0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:14.719 There was we had a governor named ev Meekum who 0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:18.279 was like the first of the great Republican racists that 0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:21.719 made the news. He uh, he was a he got 0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:24.400 elected kind of by accident because there were three people 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:27.920 on the ballot and the ballot was split. He got elected. 0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:30.799 He one of his first orders of business was to 0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:33.600 do away with Martin Luther King day as a Yeah 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:37.839 remember that, remember that? Yeah, they were boycotted by and 0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:40.160 so anyway, you remember that song brand new lover by 0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:43.239 dead or Alive? Of course I wrote this brand new 0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:46.000 governor while we need as a brand new governor. They 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:49.319 recorded it and became a big deal. In effect, you 0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:53.560 too asked they heard it when they came to town 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:57.840 to record Rattle and Hum, and they asked the radio 0:52:57.880 --> 0:53:00.640 station for cop a copy of it, and they played 0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:04.759 it in the sun Devil Stadium before their concert, which 0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:07.400 was like, you know, it's crazy. I was, this is 0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:09.279 you know, I was just a kid, and you know 0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:11.359 that I have this happened. You actually even hear it 0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:14.280 in the background as Bono is sitting by the pool 0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:19.920 um in the Rattle and Hum documentary, and and so 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:23.440 they were like, wow, that was great, and they trusted me, 0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:26.120 and I started doing a lot of stuff with them. 0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:28.520 And when when did you start getting paid by them? 0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:31.360 I never got paid by them, but one of the guys, 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:34.440 Kent Voss got a job doing mornings in Seattle and 0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:37.440 took me with him as his producer slash sidekick and 0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:41.760 making how much? And you're married at this point, yes, 0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:45.120 but no kids at this point, no kids yet. No, 0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:48.560 but it's not a lot of money. And in fact, 0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:51.840 the general manager told me I'd be making thirty thousand 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:54.239 dollars a year. And when I got up there, I 0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:56.600 looked at my paycheck, the first one I got, and 0:53:56.640 --> 0:53:59.440 I thought, well, it's doesn't add up right now. It 0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:02.480 seems to add up to exactly twenty thousand dollars a year. 0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:05.640 And I went into his office and I said, hey, 0:54:06.080 --> 0:54:08.600 you know, um you told me it was thirty thousand. 0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:10.840 He said, no, I didn't. I said, I even have 0:54:11.000 --> 0:54:12.880 my notes, right, these are the notes I made when 0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:16.560 you call you? And he's like, nope, sorry. I was like, fuck, 0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:20.200 what am I gonna do? So then Kent had to 0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:24.120 live with us because we couldn't afford the house that 0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:27.920 we'd rented on twenty thousand dollars a year. So Kent said, okay, 0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:30.920 I'll stay with you guys and we'll split the rent. 0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:34.880 And that's just how that worked out. Okay, So how 0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:37.120 do you get from there to k ROCK. I got 0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:40.040 from there, we were fired there, moved back in with 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:43.360 my parents and Phoenix. Finally got a job in Tampa 0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:46.800 at Q one oh five, another huge radio station. UM 0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:50.839 I was the producer and on air character guy. Then 0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:52.879 I got a job. I got fired from that job, 0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:56.160 got a job in Palm Springs. I worked there for 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:59.759 uh eighteen months. I did not get fired. I got 0:54:59.760 --> 0:55:02.840 a in Tucson with one of the guys I worked 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:05.759 with back at kazy ZP. We worked there for ten 0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:09.120 months and got fired. And then I got a job 0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:12.680 at k Rock through Kevin Weatherly, who was the music 0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:17.520 director and van driver in in Phoenix and who I 0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:21.880 met at a wedding in Cleveland and hung out with 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:23.520 for a few days. And at the end of it 0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:25.560 he was like, you're really funny. I think you'd be 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:35.000 great on Kevin and Bean show. Okay, you get fired 0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:40.000 multiple times. Everybody in radio knows that, but Jimmy Kimmel 0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:43.160 gets fired. Does the sky fall or do you say, 0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:46.840 no problem, I'll get another gig. The sky falls and 0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:52.400 falls hard, and and I turned into you remember R 0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:54.920 and R. You know, the of course radio and record 0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:56.920 So that was really the only way to get a 0:55:57.000 --> 0:55:59.400 job unless you knew somebody, and I didn't know anybody 0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:02.320 at all. So every Thursday, R and R will be 0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:04.799 delivered to my house, and the nightmare was when it 0:56:04.840 --> 0:56:06.840 was delayed by a day in the mail and I 0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:09.840 would be waiting out by the mailbox at my parents 0:56:09.880 --> 0:56:12.440 house after we've been fired for that R and R 0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:14.320 to come so I could go through the want ads 0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:18.359 and get those cassettes in the mail immediately, because I know, 0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:21.200 I know that every radio station has a box of 0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:24.680 cassettes on the floor of the program director's office that 0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:27.480 never get listened to. And we always thought, oh, if 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:30.240 we can get it there first, maybe they will listen 0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:34.080 to it first they've placed this ad and hopefully somebody 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:36.880 will hear it and hire us. And that was just 0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:39.880 that's not how it went. We wound up getting a 0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:43.879 job at Actually, guy Mike Elliott, who we worked with 0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:46.680 in Phoenix, got a job as the morning man at 0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:49.040 Q one O five in Tampa and he had them 0:56:49.440 --> 0:56:52.839 he sent for us basically, so we he got us 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:55.759 the jobs there. So it all comes down to who 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:59.480 you know. Well, yeah, but for me, it was the 0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:02.600 same read people over and over again. Hey, it's still 0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:05.160 the people you knew. So all of a sudden, instead 0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:09.480 of being behind the mic, you're in front of the camera. 0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.399 That's a big switch. What was going through your head? 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:14.439 By the way, I disagree with the it comes down 0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:15.960 to who you know, because you also have to be 0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:20.640 able to do your job. A lot of people that 0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:25.080 goes without saying okay, alright, especially when it comes to entertainment. 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:28.760 People are lining up to work for free. Okay, But 0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:31.720 if you're trying to get a job through an ad, 0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:35.200 odds are you will never get it, never mind their 0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:38.560 ads where they're never really even gonna hire anybody. So 0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:44.760 it's ultimately something you know through personal relationship. In my experience, Yeah, 0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:46.680 I mean when you got to a certain level, like 0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:48.840 you say, k Rock, you get phone calls, you get 0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:53.080 emails out of the blue. Right, that's that's many steps 0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:57.760 down the road. Yes, it was a lot of steps 0:57:57.800 --> 0:58:00.520 down the road. So now that you're in front of 0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:02.640 the camera, does a light bulb go off? And you 0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:04.360 had to say, wait a second, I see a whole 0:58:04.360 --> 0:58:07.479 new opportunity that maybe I'm not really a radio guy, 0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:10.680 I'm a TV guy. Yeah, but not it wasn't a 0:58:10.760 --> 0:58:14.000 light bulb so much as it was a uh it 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:16.040 was on a dimmer switch, if it was a light bulb, 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:21.080 because I just kind of really just saw these as 0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:24.840 opportunities to make a little extra money. When I started 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:27.360 wind ben STIGs money. And for the first two seasons, 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:31.080 I made five fifty dollars a show. We won an Emmy, 0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:34.960 We won an Emmy, and I made five I think, 0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:39.600 what what's your agents say? Um? He said, You're lucky 0:58:39.600 --> 0:58:41.720 to have a job. I think the most I ever 0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:45.440 made was like eleven dollars a show. And keep in mind, like, 0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:49.560 if you like, if the ratings we had on that 0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:52.400 show would make it like one of the now, if 0:58:52.520 --> 0:58:53.920 we had those ratings, it would be one of the 0:58:53.960 --> 0:58:56.960 top ten shows on television. You know, you know, you 0:58:56.960 --> 0:58:59.000 look back and you go, oh wow, these networks were 0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:02.440 really making out because if they can still make money 0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:05.480 now with the ratings they currently have, who the hell 0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:08.760 knows how much money they were making back then? A lot? Okay, 0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:13.880 So who represents you now, James baby Doll Dixon. I 0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:19.680 can tell my audience about him, well, he is um. 0:59:19.720 --> 0:59:23.120 He was described as built Carter as a character right 0:59:23.120 --> 0:59:27.160 out of a Damon Damon Runyan novel. He is. He 0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:30.040 curses a lot, he smokes a lot. He is the 0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:35.440 Tan beyond belief at all times. He is um a character, 0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:40.919 the the character of characters. He is a brazen man. 0:59:41.240 --> 0:59:44.720 He asks for things that no decent person would ever 0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:47.360 ask for when he comes out to visit. He doesn't 0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:49.840 stay in a hotel. He stays in my house. We 0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:52.640 have a guesthouse next to my house. He won't stay 0:59:52.640 --> 0:59:54.440 in it because he wants to be in the house 0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:57.200 with us. He smokes in my house even though I've 0:59:57.200 --> 1:00:00.440 asked him not to a million times. He litters. He 1:00:00.960 --> 1:00:05.040 is He's the last living human who doesn't know littering 1:00:05.160 --> 1:00:07.840 is not a good thing to do. He is just 1:00:08.240 --> 1:00:11.160 a character. Okay, So how did he become your agent? 1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:13.360 How did you meet him? I met him he was 1:00:13.400 --> 1:00:15.880 an agent at William Morris. I had a different agent 1:00:15.880 --> 1:00:20.000 at William Morris, but he was my uh Daniel Kelson, 1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:22.560 who is the producer of The Man Show. He was 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:24.880 his agent, and so we got to know him and 1:00:24.960 --> 1:00:26.720 we just got such a kick out of him. We 1:00:27.080 --> 1:00:30.280 became very close and Um, he's one of my best friends. 1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:33.480 He really is, and he is a nut. So what's 1:00:33.520 --> 1:00:37.120 his skill. The key has you keep working with him. 1:00:37.160 --> 1:00:41.720 His skill is he is a great negotiator, and even 1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:45.680 though he asks for the moon at all times and 1:00:45.720 --> 1:00:48.880 then wants them to throw Mars in with it, he 1:00:49.360 --> 1:00:53.680 everyone loves him, which is flipping the story around. You 1:00:53.720 --> 1:00:57.120 give good hang. So that must have helped your career 1:00:57.360 --> 1:01:00.240 because the natures, especially when you do filmed entertain Man 1:01:00.320 --> 1:01:05.960 or you know, these shows, there's a lot of hanging around. Yeah, okay, 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:08.800 so people just like Fred Silverman, they said this is 1:01:08.840 --> 1:01:12.440 a good guy to have around. Yea, Fred didn't know 1:01:12.520 --> 1:01:15.240 me at all. In fact, I'm saying that is the start. 1:01:16.040 --> 1:01:18.840 And once you start having a job with all these 1:01:19.120 --> 1:01:21.280 you know, okay, what do we know? You're on wind 1:01:21.320 --> 1:01:24.640 Benstein's money. Then ultimately you do the Man Show. There's 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:28.720 crank anchors and all this other stuff. This doesn't happen 1:01:28.840 --> 1:01:34.080 for most people. Okay. And you're telling me that you're 1:01:34.120 --> 1:01:37.920 not really a hustler, that you're not out coming up 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:39.680 with gigs, unless you want to say that, I have 1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:43.240 an inaccurate impression. I am a hustler in the way 1:01:43.240 --> 1:01:46.720 that I will sit at my computer or for a 1:01:46.800 --> 1:01:51.560 time my typewriter and work on projects and come up 1:01:51.600 --> 1:01:56.080 with a million ideas and then um some of them. 1:01:56.120 --> 1:01:58.840 I mean, I have you see this cabinet behind me, 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:01.840 but you can't this. Yeah. Yeah, they can set the podcast, 1:02:01.840 --> 1:02:05.160 but I can. I have all my different project There 1:02:05.200 --> 1:02:07.520 are projects from when I was in high school that 1:02:07.640 --> 1:02:10.480 I have saved up. And it's funny because you go 1:02:10.560 --> 1:02:14.360 back to that stuff sometimes, like you know, somebody wants something. 1:02:14.400 --> 1:02:17.320 You're like, oh, you know what, I wrote something that 1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:19.760 might work for this when I was twenty two years old, 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:21.760 and then you dig through and you find it and 1:02:21.800 --> 1:02:25.560 you freshen it up, and uh, suddenly it's new again. 1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:29.560 Suddenly finally somebody is going to hear it or see it. 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:32.760 And I just work a lot. I've just always been 1:02:32.840 --> 1:02:37.800 interested in, um, in coming up with a show or 1:02:38.240 --> 1:02:41.400 cartoon or something. I you know, I just okay, So 1:02:41.520 --> 1:02:44.640 you're the type of guy we're hanging out, you say, hey, 1:02:45.000 --> 1:02:47.600 you give you give somebody your script or what your address? 1:02:47.680 --> 1:02:50.640 You don't want to send you something? No, I wouldn't 1:02:50.680 --> 1:02:54.200 do that, um, but I might tell you an idea. 1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:57.160 I mean, I remember how I got Crank Anchor sold 1:02:57.160 --> 1:03:00.400 to Comedy Central. Was I was at dinner here with 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:03.840 the president of the network at the time, and I 1:03:03.880 --> 1:03:05.440 told him I had this. I was like, you know, 1:03:05.520 --> 1:03:07.920 it would be a great idea if we took crank calls. 1:03:07.960 --> 1:03:10.840 And at the time I wanted to be Acclaimation show, 1:03:10.960 --> 1:03:14.120 and later we turned it into puppets, but um, if 1:03:14.160 --> 1:03:17.000 we and we made them into a show, and he's like, 1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:19.480 that's a great idea. I want to do that. I 1:03:19.600 --> 1:03:22.120 never really pitched it. I just kind of floated it 1:03:22.160 --> 1:03:25.880 out there. Okay, how did the Man Show come to happen? 1:03:26.280 --> 1:03:30.280 The Man Show was, Uh. First of all, Adam Carolla 1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:32.920 and I were characters on Kevin and Bean Show at 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:35.560 k Rock, and we were very became very good friends. 1:03:36.320 --> 1:03:39.040 And uh, he did a character called Mr. Bertram, which 1:03:39.080 --> 1:03:41.600 was a shop teacher who would use the state He 1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:45.280 would call in to give messages to his students who 1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:47.360 were on the way into school. That was the conceit, 1:03:47.440 --> 1:03:50.920 and he became wildly popular, so popular, in fact, they 1:03:51.000 --> 1:03:54.240 hired him to do love Line on kay Rock, which 1:03:54.280 --> 1:03:57.400 is a syndicated show, and then uh, love Line on MTV. 1:03:58.440 --> 1:04:01.520 And at the same time, I've been doing when Ben 1:04:01.560 --> 1:04:04.480 Stein's Money, and I was the sports guy at k 1:04:04.720 --> 1:04:07.840 Rock and Adam and I would go to lunch every 1:04:07.920 --> 1:04:11.320 day and we talked for three hours and it just 1:04:11.440 --> 1:04:14.960 eventually occurred to me that we could probably put that 1:04:15.000 --> 1:04:19.160 time better to better use by working on a show together. 1:04:19.440 --> 1:04:21.800 So we started talking about doing a radio show together, 1:04:21.880 --> 1:04:25.040 which is our initial idea. We wanted to do afternoons 1:04:25.080 --> 1:04:29.360 at UM at the local FM talk station, but they 1:04:29.360 --> 1:04:34.720 weren't interested in us doing that. Weirdly, Comedy Central was. 1:04:34.760 --> 1:04:37.480 In fact, we sold the Manchow to ABC through that 1:04:37.560 --> 1:04:40.120 same guy, Michael Davies, who hired me for when ben 1:04:40.160 --> 1:04:43.240 Stein's money. I told him the idea, I said, what 1:04:43.320 --> 1:04:45.280 about if what if we did a show for guys? 1:04:45.600 --> 1:04:49.160 Um Oprah was super popular at the time, the shows 1:04:49.280 --> 1:04:51.600 only for men, and we tell women they're not allowed 1:04:51.640 --> 1:04:54.680 to watch it. And he's like, I like that idea, 1:04:54.720 --> 1:04:56.760 and he pitched it to ABC and they bought a pilot. 1:04:57.000 --> 1:04:59.480 We went and pitched it and ABC made a pilot, 1:04:59.480 --> 1:05:01.360 which one they saw it, they were like, oh no, 1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:03.880 we're never we will never put anything like this on 1:05:04.240 --> 1:05:07.040 our air waves. But a lot of other networks like 1:05:07.120 --> 1:05:11.760 Facts and Comedy Central made offers. Once the tape started 1:05:11.800 --> 1:05:15.800 to circulate around UH to what degree would you be 1:05:15.840 --> 1:05:18.760 able to do that show today. I think you would 1:05:18.760 --> 1:05:20.520 be able to do it, but you wouldn't be able 1:05:20.560 --> 1:05:22.720 to get sponsors for it. I think it would be 1:05:22.920 --> 1:05:27.880 very popular, but with there would be no commercials. And 1:05:27.920 --> 1:05:31.720 to what degree are you talking with Adam Carolla at 1:05:31.720 --> 1:05:34.400 this point? Always? You know, we're like brothers. We you know, 1:05:34.480 --> 1:05:36.880 we don't talk a lot on the phone, but we 1:05:36.920 --> 1:05:40.280 love each other, and um, you know we check in. 1:05:40.520 --> 1:05:43.960 Uh yeah, we texted, okay. But the reason I asked 1:05:43.960 --> 1:05:49.280 this is his politics are pretty to the right left. 1:05:49.960 --> 1:05:54.280 Well yes, um, uh, mine are definitely to the left 1:05:54.280 --> 1:05:57.320 and they always have been my whole life. Um, but 1:05:58.520 --> 1:06:01.840 his politics, I think are better described as all over 1:06:01.920 --> 1:06:07.040 the place. But the only exposure he gets is from 1:06:07.880 --> 1:06:12.160 the right. So you'll see him on Fox News screaming 1:06:12.200 --> 1:06:15.960 about nonsense, and um, that's because they're the ones that 1:06:16.040 --> 1:06:19.200 put him on. If other people put him on, you 1:06:19.280 --> 1:06:23.120 might hear some of his other opinions, which are pretty liberal. 1:06:23.240 --> 1:06:26.840 Are you know he's gotten socially? Uh, he's the guy's 1:06:27.560 --> 1:06:30.600 is pretty liberal. But yeah, he's definitely moved in that 1:06:30.640 --> 1:06:34.600 direction much more now than he was in the past, 1:06:34.880 --> 1:06:38.440 and it has an affected your relationship I don't love it. 1:06:38.920 --> 1:06:42.680 I don't love it, but I love him. Okay, So 1:06:42.760 --> 1:06:45.000 he was on keless x I was on that station, 1:06:45.040 --> 1:06:47.520 and then the station flipped format and he went to 1:06:47.600 --> 1:06:51.640 a podcast. He was very early on that. But needs 1:06:51.640 --> 1:06:53.840 to say, there's so many other people in that sphere 1:06:53.880 --> 1:06:57.040 at this point in time, and therefore he has been 1:06:57.120 --> 1:07:01.680 somewhat marginalized, as has everybody this Internet era. There's so 1:07:01.760 --> 1:07:04.400 much input. Do you think there's a chance to bring 1:07:04.520 --> 1:07:07.960 him back to a wider audience And did you ever 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:10.920 think about working or with him or having him come 1:07:11.040 --> 1:07:14.200 on your show? Well, he's you know, he's been on 1:07:14.240 --> 1:07:16.400 my show. I didn't mean as a guest. I didn't 1:07:16.400 --> 1:07:20.200 state that. Well, oh, um no, I mean I don't 1:07:20.360 --> 1:07:22.880 really bring anybody on my show. And it's just me 1:07:23.000 --> 1:07:26.000 and Dillermo standing in the corner really and occasionally my 1:07:26.040 --> 1:07:30.000 cousin Sal does something. And Adams really carved out a 1:07:30.080 --> 1:07:33.480 nice situation for himself because he doesn't have a boss 1:07:34.080 --> 1:07:37.240 and he doesn't have to worry about the things that 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:39.920 a lot of people have to worry about, and he 1:07:39.960 --> 1:07:44.720 seems to attract a number of sponsors who are comfortable 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:48.640 with the content, and he's got his own world that 1:07:48.760 --> 1:07:51.480 he's created. I mean, he really has his own world. 1:07:51.520 --> 1:07:54.320 He's got all his race cars in this warehouse and 1:07:54.680 --> 1:07:57.960 he does his podcast from there, and he seems pretty 1:07:57.960 --> 1:08:02.080 happy with it. Okay, let's jumped forward for those who 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:05.000 were not students. What year do you start hosting the 1:08:05.080 --> 1:08:09.160 late night program? I started two thousand three. Okay, this 1:08:09.240 --> 1:08:13.800 is important because the landscape is completely different then. Okay, 1:08:14.280 --> 1:08:18.240 you know we have Letterman, we have Leno. Letterman is 1:08:18.320 --> 1:08:20.479 beating Leno until all of a sudden he hosts the 1:08:20.479 --> 1:08:24.720 Oscars and that hurts his ratings because people see him. 1:08:25.960 --> 1:08:29.120 Timeline is a little off, but he was hosting late night. 1:08:29.120 --> 1:08:34.479 When he did did the Oscars, Letterman, Leonar Leno and 1:08:34.560 --> 1:08:39.479 he just want just get the Uh. Dave was on 1:08:39.600 --> 1:08:42.840 it twelve thirty and then he went to one. He 1:08:42.880 --> 1:08:48.640 went to eleven thirty. Uh ninety two was it? Um? 1:08:48.680 --> 1:08:51.800 It was yeah, right around there, and then he did 1:08:51.840 --> 1:08:57.280 the Oscars like nine, three, four or five. Um, gosh, 1:08:57.320 --> 1:09:00.040 I don't know exactly what. Okay, So continue, continue to 1:09:00.120 --> 1:09:04.720 your narrative. When I when I when I went on 1:09:04.760 --> 1:09:06.960 the air, I was on at midnight actually twelve o 1:09:07.120 --> 1:09:11.680 five and Dave and j were on, and then I 1:09:11.720 --> 1:09:16.320 think Craig Kilbourne was on A twelve thirty and Conan 1:09:16.439 --> 1:09:18.920 was on A twelve thirty. I guess what I was saying, 1:09:18.920 --> 1:09:21.200 and it wasn't making the point clearly that you have 1:09:21.360 --> 1:09:26.400 these two institutions. Okay, Letterman in Leno and to a degree, 1:09:26.439 --> 1:09:31.720 everybody's fighting for scraps. Then Dave says he's gonna call 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:36.000 it the day this were already in the j went 1:09:36.080 --> 1:09:39.880 to ten, then came back to eleven thirty, and they 1:09:39.880 --> 1:09:43.320 announced at the Olympics that for the Olympics they're gonna 1:09:43.320 --> 1:09:46.559 blow him out and they're gonna bring Jimmy in. So 1:09:46.600 --> 1:09:50.840 all of a sudden, it's a whole new landscape. And 1:09:50.920 --> 1:09:54.320 you have been there chugging along, but you weren't Letterman 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:57.559 or Leno but building your audience. What did one went 1:09:57.680 --> 1:09:59.400 through your mind when all of a sudden you say, 1:09:59.479 --> 1:10:04.639 wait a second, they're rejiggering the whole landscape here. Well, 1:10:05.240 --> 1:10:12.280 they definitely My show definitely played some role in them 1:10:12.320 --> 1:10:16.000 replacing Jay with Jimmy, and Jimmy show much more so. 1:10:16.080 --> 1:10:19.160 Obviously he was doing very well at twelve thirty, but 1:10:19.240 --> 1:10:24.200 I was gaining on Jay, and they got nervous. Now, 1:10:24.280 --> 1:10:28.960 unlike Howard you have interacted with Jay. He famously got 1:10:29.000 --> 1:10:31.360 into it with him on Squeen. Do you ever see 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:35.240 Jay anymore? Ever talked to him every once in a while, 1:10:35.479 --> 1:10:38.759 you know, I've kind of I used to. It's funny, 1:10:38.800 --> 1:10:42.839 I I this grudge I had against Jay Leno really 1:10:42.960 --> 1:10:46.160 was not about me. It was about Dave and the 1:10:46.560 --> 1:10:49.559 fact that I thought Dave deserved the Tonight show. And 1:10:49.560 --> 1:10:51.880 and you know, if you read any account of how 1:10:52.560 --> 1:10:55.000 Jay got it, it's just a little bit sneaky. And 1:10:55.080 --> 1:10:58.439 so I always just had that in my in my head. 1:10:58.640 --> 1:11:01.639 And now, you know, especially since Dave has like done 1:11:01.640 --> 1:11:03.760 some stuff with Jay, and I was like, why am 1:11:03.760 --> 1:11:08.599 I still fighting this war? So Jay has been very 1:11:08.680 --> 1:11:12.240 nice to me. He's uh, he's he he is. Um. 1:11:13.000 --> 1:11:15.760 He called me when my son had his heart surgery, 1:11:15.800 --> 1:11:19.639 and he's done some nice stuff for charity for somebody 1:11:19.680 --> 1:11:23.040 that is important to me. And uh, we've we we 1:11:23.080 --> 1:11:26.320 don't have that. We're not friends, but we don't have 1:11:26.360 --> 1:11:30.599 that um negativity between us anymore. Okay, let's go back 1:11:30.640 --> 1:11:35.559 to that point where you're making headway on his ratings. 1:11:36.000 --> 1:11:39.120 Are you fully aware of that and are you driving 1:11:39.160 --> 1:11:41.280 and and are you saying, man, we are on a role. 1:11:41.360 --> 1:11:44.120 How do we keep this role going? Yeah, we're just saying, hey, 1:11:44.120 --> 1:11:45.760 first of all, you guys have to put us on 1:11:45.840 --> 1:11:47.840 at eleven thirty. You know, we want to be on 1:11:47.880 --> 1:11:50.840 at eleven thirty so we can really compete with these 1:11:50.880 --> 1:11:55.360 other shows. And they took him a very long time 1:11:55.479 --> 1:11:59.840 to come to that decision, but they did. To what 1:12:00.040 --> 1:12:02.519 degree was the show different from when you went on 1:12:02.600 --> 1:12:05.799 at twelve oh five. I'm not talking about Letterman changing 1:12:05.840 --> 1:12:08.240 the show, which I thought was a mistake for the 1:12:08.280 --> 1:12:11.120 earlier I like when he were the boxing shoes and 1:12:11.200 --> 1:12:13.240 you know, didn't wear the suits. But I'm talking about 1:12:13.280 --> 1:12:15.479 how much did you learn along the way, such a 1:12:15.520 --> 1:12:20.400 when you hit you were really ready. Um. I don't 1:12:20.400 --> 1:12:22.639 know that I was ready, but I thought I was ready. 1:12:22.960 --> 1:12:25.640 I you know, you you do get better at this 1:12:25.720 --> 1:12:28.599 as it goes on, and um, you know that's why 1:12:28.680 --> 1:12:31.439 it is so unfair to judge someone based on their 1:12:31.640 --> 1:12:35.080 first show or first week of shows, because it's it 1:12:35.160 --> 1:12:38.280 bears no resemblance to what they do years later. But 1:12:38.640 --> 1:12:41.720 I felt I was ready and I really wanted to 1:12:42.040 --> 1:12:43.760 and I could see that, you know, Dave and Jay 1:12:43.800 --> 1:12:46.280 were getting older and they weren't gonna be on forever, 1:12:46.320 --> 1:12:49.679 and I wanted to establish a foothold at that spot 1:12:49.720 --> 1:12:54.360 before the next shows came in. You know, that's that 1:12:54.520 --> 1:12:57.559 was what we wanted. And um it took a lot 1:12:57.640 --> 1:13:02.800 of convincing to get them there. Okay, So Jimmy comes on, 1:13:02.920 --> 1:13:05.200 what do we know? Johnny did a show that was 1:13:05.280 --> 1:13:08.600 really a talk show. Dave really did a show that 1:13:08.720 --> 1:13:11.639 was a comedy show, completely changed the landscape of late 1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:17.880 night television. Jimmy comes on. He is great at skits, 1:13:18.760 --> 1:13:22.400 not a great interviewer. What do you think of Fallon 1:13:22.640 --> 1:13:25.320 as competition at the time, and it comes out to 1:13:25.479 --> 1:13:32.240 great ratings. Listen, it was like if for a time 1:13:32.400 --> 1:13:35.160 it felt like you were in the corner of the 1:13:35.280 --> 1:13:39.320 ring being pummeled. It was just like the ratings that 1:13:39.360 --> 1:13:44.040 he was getting for a long period of time or astronomical. 1:13:44.120 --> 1:13:47.679 They were like, what what is going on? And they 1:13:47.760 --> 1:13:51.320 were putting on home run viral bit after home run 1:13:51.439 --> 1:13:55.479 viral bit, and it was really like he almost had 1:13:55.520 --> 1:13:57.880 to just like rope a dope it and just try 1:13:57.920 --> 1:14:01.040 to wait it out because there was no other choice. 1:14:01.120 --> 1:14:06.080 It really became a phenomenon beyond late night television. What 1:14:06.200 --> 1:14:09.599 did you think about Colbert getting the gig? I think 1:14:09.640 --> 1:14:12.880 that was absolutely the right choice. I was always a 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:16.599 big fan of his. Always I thought it wouldn't work, 1:14:17.000 --> 1:14:20.400 and of course it didn't work at first, and then 1:14:20.400 --> 1:14:23.479 he changed some of the people working with him, and 1:14:23.520 --> 1:14:28.000 then all of a sudden Trump gets elected and Colbert 1:14:28.120 --> 1:14:34.479 starts talking politics and Fallon is a man out of time. 1:14:36.200 --> 1:14:40.240 It definitely, it was definitely well. I don't think any 1:14:40.280 --> 1:14:43.879 of us would describe that as a positive turn of events. 1:14:44.120 --> 1:14:46.560 You know. I think if you gave Stephen the choice 1:14:46.600 --> 1:14:51.280 between No Trump and his show, Finding It's It's Mark, 1:14:51.560 --> 1:14:54.720 I think he would go for no Trump. But yeah, 1:14:54.800 --> 1:15:00.160 definitely changed what t late night television was for and 1:15:00.160 --> 1:15:04.879 what it was about. It. It definitely made the trivial 1:15:05.040 --> 1:15:10.880 seemed trivial, whereas before that it was all trivial. Okay, 1:15:11.240 --> 1:15:15.120 Now you evolved to the point where you're making news 1:15:15.200 --> 1:15:18.479 for your political stance. Needles to say, it is to 1:15:18.640 --> 1:15:23.920 the left, and anybody in the public eye knows that 1:15:24.040 --> 1:15:27.280 if you do that, there are people who will relentlessly 1:15:27.400 --> 1:15:30.880 usually the same people attack you, if for no other reason, 1:15:30.920 --> 1:15:35.240 telling you your stay out of this lane. So what 1:15:35.320 --> 1:15:38.400 were the decisions to go in that area and to 1:15:38.479 --> 1:15:41.479 what degree? With our stones and you know, slings and 1:15:41.600 --> 1:15:44.720 arrows thrown at you, there was no decision made. It 1:15:44.760 --> 1:15:49.320 was so plainly obvious that we couldn't ignore what was 1:15:49.360 --> 1:15:53.120 going on, and that what the things that I said 1:15:53.320 --> 1:15:58.040 had to be said. And I knew that I knew 1:15:58.080 --> 1:16:00.519 what I know my audience, I mean, you know, I 1:16:00.560 --> 1:16:04.439 came from the Man Show. My audience was the most 1:16:04.800 --> 1:16:10.320 republican audience of any show on late night. And but 1:16:10.479 --> 1:16:16.320 sometimes circumstances dictate, uh, what you are going to do, 1:16:16.439 --> 1:16:19.439 and in this case, they very much did. And I 1:16:19.560 --> 1:16:23.200 knew that it was going to split my audience in 1:16:23.360 --> 1:16:27.320 less than half. But what else? What am I gonna do? 1:16:27.400 --> 1:16:30.840 Ignore what this maniac is doing to our country? I mean, 1:16:31.000 --> 1:16:34.280 it's it's It was not even an option. And there 1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:36.880 was a time where ABC was uncomfortable with it, and 1:16:36.960 --> 1:16:42.120 they gently a couple of times tried to get me stop, 1:16:42.400 --> 1:16:45.439 and um, you know, I remember a conversation I had 1:16:45.520 --> 1:16:48.519 with UM, with someone who was running the network at 1:16:48.520 --> 1:16:51.160 the time. I was like, hey, listen, Um, you know, 1:16:51.960 --> 1:16:54.640 I get it. I understand where you're coming from. I 1:16:54.680 --> 1:16:57.320 know you want to get the biggest number possible. But 1:16:57.720 --> 1:17:00.240 this is what I'm gonna do. So let's just be 1:17:00.320 --> 1:17:03.920 honest and if if this is not acceptable to you, 1:17:04.400 --> 1:17:09.000 I understand that, but I'm going to go I'm going 1:17:09.080 --> 1:17:13.080 to keep doing this. So, UM, I just want to 1:17:13.080 --> 1:17:15.000 be honest with you, be upfront, and then I'm not 1:17:15.400 --> 1:17:18.720 gonna pull punches. I'm not gonna reel it in. This 1:17:18.800 --> 1:17:20.880 is how it's gonna be. I get it if you 1:17:20.920 --> 1:17:24.320 don't want me on your air anymore, but this is 1:17:24.320 --> 1:17:27.280 what I'm gonna do on your air every night. To 1:17:27.400 --> 1:17:31.880 what were your active politically prior to Trump selection? Um, 1:17:32.080 --> 1:17:36.479 most of my activity was related to charity. I wasn't, 1:17:36.760 --> 1:17:40.040 but I was. I've always been interested in politics. I 1:17:40.120 --> 1:17:44.439 have always been a Democrat. My parents are very liberal. 1:17:45.120 --> 1:17:48.080 Of course, that's where I got it, I'm sure, and 1:17:48.720 --> 1:17:52.200 I've always been. But I've never donated to a candidate 1:17:52.280 --> 1:17:55.479 or anything like that. Um. You know, I always felt 1:17:55.520 --> 1:17:59.240 strongly about who I was voting for, but I I 1:17:59.360 --> 1:18:05.120 never had actually done anything other than vote. So you're 1:18:05.120 --> 1:18:08.519 doing the show. You have writers, What do the writers 1:18:08.600 --> 1:18:14.160 provide and what do you provide? Well? Um, every day 1:18:14.240 --> 1:18:18.479 I get like thirty pages of material email to me. 1:18:19.120 --> 1:18:21.040 I go through all of it and I pick what 1:18:21.120 --> 1:18:25.240 I want to use, and then um as the day 1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:29.800 goes on. I have a writer named Josh who sits 1:18:29.880 --> 1:18:32.560 next to me, and he will put together a monologue 1:18:32.640 --> 1:18:36.560 and I will follow closely behind him, editing the monologue 1:18:36.760 --> 1:18:39.240 as we go, so I'm like a paragraph behind him 1:18:39.240 --> 1:18:43.040 at all times. And I do a great deal of writing. 1:18:43.400 --> 1:18:47.640 There are sometimes where I use a lot of the 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:50.280 writer's material, and there's sometimes where I go, Okay, I 1:18:50.360 --> 1:18:52.439 just this is something I need to just write on 1:18:52.479 --> 1:18:55.880 my own. When it comes to personal experiences or when 1:18:55.880 --> 1:18:59.840 it comes to serious subjects, generally I will do that 1:19:00.200 --> 1:19:03.559 sort of thing myself. Okay. You reach seven figures of 1:19:03.640 --> 1:19:07.559 people every night, and compared to other outlets, that's a 1:19:07.680 --> 1:19:12.440 very significant number. But it is less of the audience 1:19:13.200 --> 1:19:16.919 than it was in the pre internet era. As we talked, 1:19:17.680 --> 1:19:20.960 to what degree does this frustrate you, I say, it's not. 1:19:21.040 --> 1:19:23.800 You're not the only one. Everybody in the landscape. The 1:19:23.840 --> 1:19:28.800 only person who had universal mind share was Trump himself. Okay, 1:19:28.840 --> 1:19:31.599 but whereas you know, when I went to high school, 1:19:32.040 --> 1:19:34.280 everybody went in on Tuesday and talked about what was 1:19:34.320 --> 1:19:37.600 on laughing. We don't all we're not even all on 1:19:37.640 --> 1:19:41.040 the same page. So someone who is making content on 1:19:41.080 --> 1:19:47.000 a regular basis, servicing a base audience is your goal. Well, 1:19:47.439 --> 1:19:49.880 how do I grow my audience or how do I 1:19:49.960 --> 1:19:52.800 do something so special that it goes above the fray 1:19:52.880 --> 1:19:58.040 and it gets noticed. I always just I'm a niche performer. Inherently, 1:19:58.080 --> 1:20:01.240 I've always been that. I was. I was the third 1:20:01.320 --> 1:20:05.080 banana on the radio show here in l A. Some 1:20:05.200 --> 1:20:08.320 might even consider me the fourth banana after Mr Burcham 1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:12.920 I was. I did a very um niche game show 1:20:12.960 --> 1:20:15.640 on Comedy Central. I did a show that was, you know, 1:20:15.800 --> 1:20:18.200 just for men on a cable channel, and I was 1:20:18.240 --> 1:20:21.400 on Probably the most mainstream thing I've I've ever done 1:20:21.520 --> 1:20:26.000 is making football picks on Fox on Sunday Morning. So 1:20:26.800 --> 1:20:31.040 I've never felt like I should be reaching a huge audience. 1:20:31.200 --> 1:20:35.240 I've always been happy with the audience that I that 1:20:35.400 --> 1:20:39.280 I get. Um yeah, and but really most of my 1:20:39.400 --> 1:20:42.799 effort goes into how can we make this as funny 1:20:42.800 --> 1:20:46.720 as possible? Is never about like how do we you 1:20:46.760 --> 1:20:48.519 know what I mean? Of course, I'll look at you know, 1:20:48.560 --> 1:20:52.240 if the ABC promo department has ideas, I'll be like, oh, yeah, 1:20:52.240 --> 1:20:56.280 maybe we could do this, But it's never about It's 1:20:56.320 --> 1:20:58.519 never if you. I think if you focus on that, 1:20:58.560 --> 1:21:00.960 you fail. I just you know, I think like if 1:21:01.000 --> 1:21:02.880 you think about I know you talk a lot about 1:21:03.479 --> 1:21:06.000 musicians and making a record, I think if you sit 1:21:06.080 --> 1:21:09.200 down and try to make a hit record, you're already 1:21:09.240 --> 1:21:11.320 on the wrong track. I you know, I mean, I 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:15.400 know it works out sometimes, but you know that's that's 1:21:15.400 --> 1:21:19.080 not how you should do it. That's a longer discussion, 1:21:19.080 --> 1:21:22.840 and I agree with you conceptually. But moving on about you, Yeah, 1:21:22.920 --> 1:21:26.880 you're a niche performer who ends up hosting the Oscars, 1:21:27.439 --> 1:21:31.320 doing a better job that anyone has done at least 1:21:31.439 --> 1:21:36.759 in decades. It is acknowledged you do it again. So yes, 1:21:37.080 --> 1:21:42.120 all of a sudden, you do float above the fray. Yeah, 1:21:42.160 --> 1:21:46.120 and but that doesn't mean I'm not still a niche 1:21:46.240 --> 1:21:51.000 performer at heart. And uh, you know, I'm not your 1:21:51.120 --> 1:21:54.639 classic television host by any stretch of the imagination. I've 1:21:54.640 --> 1:21:58.639 got a New York accent, I'm not particularly handsome, I'm 1:21:58.680 --> 1:22:02.559 not necessarily I'm not the guy that would walk in 1:22:03.040 --> 1:22:06.040 an audition for a job and nail it. I'm somebody 1:22:06.080 --> 1:22:09.120 that kind of grows on you, I think, and who 1:22:09.160 --> 1:22:12.960 tries to be for me? I just try to I 1:22:13.000 --> 1:22:15.000 feel like and I always felt like this when I 1:22:15.040 --> 1:22:17.599 was on the radio. It's not about hitting a home 1:22:17.680 --> 1:22:21.600 run today, it's about hitting a double every day for 1:22:22.120 --> 1:22:24.720 years in a row. And that's and if I can 1:22:24.760 --> 1:22:27.760 do that, I'm happy. Okay, that may be your perspective, 1:22:28.160 --> 1:22:31.640 but you are literally the face of ABC. You do 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:35.559 the upfronts, never mind their big events. I can't talk 1:22:35.600 --> 1:22:39.800 about an equivalent face of the other major networks. But 1:22:39.920 --> 1:22:43.280 think about this though, Bob. Yes, maybe I am. I 1:22:43.280 --> 1:22:46.559 guess maybe one of the more prominent personalities, and maybe 1:22:46.560 --> 1:22:51.320 I'm the face of ABC. But ABC isn't isn't what 1:22:51.400 --> 1:22:53.880 ABC was when we were young, you know. I mean 1:22:53.920 --> 1:22:57.040 we think still think of it everything you're saying. But 1:22:57.200 --> 1:23:00.360 let me dive to my ultimate point here. Okay, when 1:23:00.360 --> 1:23:05.480 you talk about important subjects on your show, there's inherently 1:23:05.560 --> 1:23:08.920 influence there. I can't tell you how many people turn 1:23:08.960 --> 1:23:13.160 into your show or already agree with you, or disagree 1:23:13.200 --> 1:23:15.400 with to tune you out, whatever, but it's influence. We 1:23:15.439 --> 1:23:19.639 have seen this with Fox News. There is power there 1:23:20.479 --> 1:23:23.840 and I'm sure if you sit in your office having 1:23:23.880 --> 1:23:26.640 a right. There's occasionally something so heinous they just have 1:23:26.760 --> 1:23:29.679 to talk about it. But most of the time you're 1:23:29.720 --> 1:23:33.640 saying I feel this, and this needs to be amplified, 1:23:34.160 --> 1:23:36.280 and there's influence in there, and you have a much 1:23:36.360 --> 1:23:39.160 larger audience than everybody. It's like in the New York 1:23:39.160 --> 1:23:42.920 Times yesterday they talked about these anti protester laws being 1:23:43.000 --> 1:23:45.559 passed in different states, such it, if you hit a 1:23:45.600 --> 1:23:47.960 protester in the street with your car, you can't be 1:23:48.040 --> 1:23:53.760 held liable. Okay, I mean that's just insane. I don't 1:23:53.880 --> 1:23:57.120 it was in the New York Times. I think the 1:23:57.200 --> 1:24:00.720 more people know about that, the better it is. You 1:24:00.920 --> 1:24:05.120 have a much bigger platform than almost anybody. Yes, everybody's 1:24:05.160 --> 1:24:10.400 platform is smaller than it used to be. But saying that, 1:24:11.120 --> 1:24:14.759 you were very high in the network that still exists 1:24:14.760 --> 1:24:18.040 in the in the hierarchy, and to sort of what 1:24:18.160 --> 1:24:21.120 degree do you say I have a certain power and 1:24:21.160 --> 1:24:24.200 I have a certain responsibility. Not only that I think 1:24:24.240 --> 1:24:29.120 I can influence people. Um, I know I agree with 1:24:29.160 --> 1:24:30.800 all of that. I mean I do, yes, I do 1:24:30.920 --> 1:24:35.360 have a certain amount of influence power whatever, how whatever 1:24:35.400 --> 1:24:38.759 you want to call it. Um, I know this based 1:24:38.800 --> 1:24:42.839 on my own experiences. I know this based on listening 1:24:42.920 --> 1:24:46.160 to Bruce Springsteen when I was a kid, and that 1:24:46.400 --> 1:24:51.960 helping to shape my worldview how I I think about politics, 1:24:52.000 --> 1:24:55.280 how I think about You know, you're a kid who 1:24:55.520 --> 1:24:58.800 graduates high school in n you don't know a lot 1:24:58.840 --> 1:25:03.720 about Vietnam um. And then you hear you hear, you know, 1:25:04.080 --> 1:25:07.760 Bruce Springsteen sing Born in the USA, and you think 1:25:07.800 --> 1:25:13.439 it's a Rara America song. And then you realize like, oh, okay, 1:25:13.479 --> 1:25:16.439 well that isn't what it is, and oh wow, that 1:25:16.560 --> 1:25:19.920 I didn't know that stuff, and and uh, you know, 1:25:20.040 --> 1:25:24.519 you're influenced by it and influenced in not just as 1:25:24.560 --> 1:25:27.479 when it comes to important things and unimportant things, and 1:25:27.560 --> 1:25:34.000 so um, I just try to say what I believe. 1:25:34.080 --> 1:25:37.800 I remember this reporter wrote something as guy he's still 1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:40.559 a popular guy, and he's he was a nice guy. 1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:44.200 But he wrote something about a friend of mine, Carson Daley, 1:25:44.320 --> 1:25:46.479 and he wrote something about him being a douche. And 1:25:46.560 --> 1:25:50.679 I was upset because we'd had a dinner and Carson 1:25:50.800 --> 1:25:53.479 was there, and I called him and I said, Hey, 1:25:53.520 --> 1:25:56.519 do you think Carson is a douche? And he said, no, 1:25:57.040 --> 1:25:59.160 I don't think that I said, well, why did you 1:25:59.240 --> 1:26:02.840 write that, he goes I don't know. I guess I 1:26:02.880 --> 1:26:06.360 don't know it worked because everybody at that time was saying, 1:26:06.400 --> 1:26:08.240 you know, his image was like that he was some 1:26:08.320 --> 1:26:10.800 kind of a douche. And I remember just I said, 1:26:10.880 --> 1:26:12.880 you know, maybe when you're writing, I don't know if 1:26:12.880 --> 1:26:15.280 you want to take any advice from me. Only say 1:26:15.320 --> 1:26:19.679 things you mean, and you know it's hard to stick 1:26:19.720 --> 1:26:23.800 to that, but I try to. Okay, but let's what 1:26:23.880 --> 1:26:27.479 degree do you believe that you have influence. I know 1:26:27.560 --> 1:26:29.759 I have influence, I just don't have a real measure 1:26:29.800 --> 1:26:32.520 of it. And I think sometimes I have more influenced 1:26:32.520 --> 1:26:37.120 than others. I think, and if there is anything important 1:26:37.240 --> 1:26:41.000 that we're doing on late night television, it's reminding people 1:26:41.080 --> 1:26:43.880 that what was going on was crazy, because I think 1:26:43.920 --> 1:26:46.360 it would be maybe easy to forget that, especially if 1:26:46.400 --> 1:26:49.599 you're not somebody who is really connected to the news. 1:26:49.640 --> 1:26:51.320 I mean, I know so many people you think it's 1:26:51.320 --> 1:26:53.320 the biggest story in the world. They don't know anything 1:26:53.360 --> 1:26:56.439 about it. You know, smart people, people who you know 1:26:56.520 --> 1:26:59.360 are have big careers and whatever, but they just don't 1:26:59.360 --> 1:27:02.880 pay attention. I think what we offer is um maybe 1:27:02.960 --> 1:27:06.360 information it's um like when you when you give a 1:27:06.400 --> 1:27:08.360 dog a pill, you know you put some you put 1:27:08.439 --> 1:27:12.800 some peanut butter on it. Okay, talking about something really important, 1:27:13.080 --> 1:27:17.200 your weight. You went on late night TV. You became 1:27:17.360 --> 1:27:20.800 very thin, thinner than you were before. Everybody has been 1:27:20.800 --> 1:27:23.400 on TV knows two things. Yes, the camera does add weight, 1:27:23.640 --> 1:27:26.600 and no one likes how they look on television. So 1:27:27.200 --> 1:27:31.160 to what degree were you conscious of your weight? And 1:27:31.240 --> 1:27:33.880 to what degree are you conscious now and watching what 1:27:33.960 --> 1:27:38.360 you eat and exercising, etcetera. Yeah, I mean I'm conscious 1:27:38.520 --> 1:27:41.639 of what I eat and exercising. I just don't actually 1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:45.400 do I don't do the things that I need to do. 1:27:45.840 --> 1:27:49.599 I um, I am an extreme person. I like when 1:27:49.640 --> 1:27:54.160 I lost weight, and I've been pretty heavy for like 1:27:54.200 --> 1:27:56.720 ten years on on the show. When I decided to 1:27:56.760 --> 1:27:58.840 lose weight, it was almost like a game. It was 1:27:58.880 --> 1:28:01.240 almost like, well, let's see if I can do this. 1:28:01.280 --> 1:28:04.080 And it's just starved myself for like six weeks and 1:28:04.400 --> 1:28:07.360 that's how I got my weight down. And it wasn't 1:28:07.439 --> 1:28:11.680 any It wasn't healthy, that's for sure, but it is 1:28:11.800 --> 1:28:15.599 I have to say probably the great my biggest daily 1:28:15.720 --> 1:28:20.880 shruggle is that because I love to eat and um, 1:28:20.920 --> 1:28:23.240 you know, I'm come home sometimes and make dinner for 1:28:23.240 --> 1:28:25.000 the family and then I just sit there and watch 1:28:25.080 --> 1:28:29.240 them eat it. And it's terrible. If there's one thing 1:28:29.439 --> 1:28:32.280 I could buy, it would be the ability to eat 1:28:32.320 --> 1:28:35.000 anything I want. That would be the you know, that 1:28:35.000 --> 1:28:38.559 would be better than any house or car or anything. 1:28:39.479 --> 1:28:43.439 And what do we do? The The exercise? Um, to the 1:28:43.560 --> 1:28:47.679 degree of zero. I exercise. I was exercising for a while. 1:28:48.080 --> 1:28:49.719 I had a guy that would come to my house 1:28:49.720 --> 1:28:53.479 that I really got along with. UM and then COVID 1:28:53.520 --> 1:28:56.000 happened and he couldn't come to the house, and now 1:28:56.040 --> 1:28:58.360 he doesn't come to the house anymore. And left to 1:28:58.400 --> 1:29:02.800 my own devices, I will always find something else to do. Okay, 1:29:03.000 --> 1:29:06.800 filling a couple of holes. Are you still a sports guy? 1:29:07.160 --> 1:29:10.200 I have? I yes, I do. I I enjoy sports. 1:29:10.320 --> 1:29:14.160 I mostly pay attention around the playoff time, but I 1:29:14.240 --> 1:29:17.280 have I will say that the last four or five 1:29:17.439 --> 1:29:22.120 years have made sports seem less important to me. And 1:29:22.200 --> 1:29:26.920 what about football and c t E. UM, I think 1:29:27.000 --> 1:29:34.080 that it is. UM. I I feel guilty sometimes watching sports. Uh. 1:29:34.160 --> 1:29:37.559 Football is not my favorite of the sports. Baseball is, 1:29:37.680 --> 1:29:41.200 and it's less of an issue obviously there. But I 1:29:41.240 --> 1:29:44.920 have a hard time watching boxing, um because I know 1:29:45.000 --> 1:29:48.599 what happens to those guys in the long run, and 1:29:48.880 --> 1:29:53.200 I feel like it's like it's not so much different 1:29:53.240 --> 1:29:58.000 from watching cock fighting. UM. But I think I am 1:29:58.720 --> 1:30:04.920 somewhat willfully ignorant when it comes to watching football and guests. Now, 1:30:04.960 --> 1:30:07.559 the show's Letterman changed this. It used to be on 1:30:07.680 --> 1:30:10.599 Johnny the gifts just came Letterman. You have to come 1:30:10.600 --> 1:30:13.840 with the story. It became a comedy bit. How do 1:30:13.920 --> 1:30:18.000 you view this and what makes a good or bad guest? Well, 1:30:18.040 --> 1:30:21.519 if you have a great story, I am that's a 1:30:21.560 --> 1:30:24.479 good day for me because it's a lot less work 1:30:24.680 --> 1:30:28.320 and I can just sit there and enjoy and keep 1:30:28.360 --> 1:30:32.479 the story moving. Um. Some guests are harder than others. 1:30:33.160 --> 1:30:37.920 We definitely do things the way Letterman did, where we 1:30:37.960 --> 1:30:41.080 have a pre interview and if the guest has nothing 1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:43.400 to talk about, they sit on the phone with the 1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:46.280 producer for a long time and then they come to 1:30:46.320 --> 1:30:49.160 me and say, hey, there's this that this person can 1:30:49.240 --> 1:30:51.120 talk about, or this and this, and I say I'm 1:30:51.160 --> 1:30:53.320 not interested in that, or I am interested in this, 1:30:53.760 --> 1:30:57.639 And then sometimes the best interviews, it all gets cast 1:30:57.680 --> 1:30:59.880 aside and we get to none of that material. It's 1:31:00.000 --> 1:31:03.120 more of a safety net than anything. But if somebody 1:31:03.200 --> 1:31:05.360 is a great story, you want to make sure you 1:31:05.400 --> 1:31:07.559 get to it. And if somebody is a great joke. 1:31:08.120 --> 1:31:11.240 The good thing about knowing what it is before and 1:31:11.400 --> 1:31:13.439 is you don't want to step on their punch line. 1:31:13.600 --> 1:31:15.559 You don't want to step on the end of it. 1:31:15.920 --> 1:31:18.479 And you know, as a comedian, you're always like kind 1:31:18.479 --> 1:31:21.360 of thinking like, where's the funny line at the end 1:31:21.360 --> 1:31:23.040 of this, and you don't want to take that from them. 1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:25.679 You want to make sure that that that there's room 1:31:25.760 --> 1:31:29.080 for them to be funny. And your two favorite guests 1:31:30.920 --> 1:31:34.920 Charles Barkley is uh somebody that I'm always very very 1:31:34.920 --> 1:31:39.440 happy to have on the show. I love I love him. Um, 1:31:39.479 --> 1:31:43.160 It's really hard to narrow it down to two, but 1:31:43.320 --> 1:31:46.680 I will say it was always a thrill to have 1:31:46.760 --> 1:31:50.280 Don Rickles on the show. That was fun. Okay, So 1:31:50.400 --> 1:31:55.440 looking forward, how much long are you gonna do this? Um? 1:31:55.439 --> 1:31:59.320 Probably not that much longer. And when you stop doing this, 1:32:00.040 --> 1:32:05.000 what do you plan to do? I will You know 1:32:05.120 --> 1:32:09.040 one thing I know is that whatever I think is 1:32:09.080 --> 1:32:12.000 going to happen, that never seems to be the way 1:32:12.040 --> 1:32:16.040 it goes, and that things come out of the blue. 1:32:16.680 --> 1:32:19.360 And sometimes I get excited about things and I can't 1:32:19.400 --> 1:32:21.960 control myself and I go, oh, yeah, I should definitely 1:32:21.960 --> 1:32:24.800 do this. And sometimes before you know what, you're off 1:32:24.840 --> 1:32:28.160 to the races and committed to something. You now realize 1:32:28.200 --> 1:32:32.000 that you have to be committed to. But I will 1:32:32.040 --> 1:32:37.799 definitely produce television shows. I will, um, probably send jokes 1:32:37.840 --> 1:32:40.040 to other late night hosts when I think of them 1:32:40.560 --> 1:32:44.760 if I feel I don't have an outlet. Um. And 1:32:45.520 --> 1:32:48.520 I actually bought a fishing lodge in Idaho that I 1:32:48.560 --> 1:32:54.519 am enjoying remodeling and and fixing up. And um, I'm 1:32:54.520 --> 1:32:57.120 planning to spend a good amount of time there. Would 1:32:57.120 --> 1:33:01.680 you ever retire? Um not. I don't know that I 1:33:01.920 --> 1:33:06.080 ever fully retired. Maybe I will. I'll always do something 1:33:06.160 --> 1:33:10.000 I like to draw. That's really what I love to do. Yes, 1:33:10.160 --> 1:33:13.200 And um, I will always keep myself busy. I always 1:33:13.240 --> 1:33:16.120 have a project and I'm I'm working on Let's go 1:33:16.200 --> 1:33:19.960 back to the hunting uh fishing lodge that I assume 1:33:20.080 --> 1:33:23.679 is in the Panhandle of Idaho, which is where Mark 1:33:23.760 --> 1:33:28.479 Ferman and a lot of white nationalists move to. It's 1:33:28.479 --> 1:33:32.320 actually not. It's it's on it's on the it's an 1:33:32.320 --> 1:33:40.320 hour from Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Really yeah, on the borders. Yeah, 1:33:40.360 --> 1:33:42.760 Okay that that sort of catches me off guard because 1:33:42.760 --> 1:33:45.479 everybody else I know as a house like in Sandpoint, etcetera. 1:33:45.520 --> 1:33:48.360 How'd you end up getting a place there? I went 1:33:48.439 --> 1:33:51.120 fishing there one summer and I said that I caught 1:33:51.160 --> 1:33:53.320 a lot of fish. I shouldn't have a place here. 1:33:53.800 --> 1:33:57.080 And so I knew the places for sale, and I 1:33:57.120 --> 1:34:01.280 started keeping an eye on it. And I have this 1:34:01.320 --> 1:34:04.439 buddy named Oliver White who's got a couple of fishing 1:34:04.479 --> 1:34:08.840 lodges and in the Bahamas and he um, and the 1:34:09.080 --> 1:34:12.800 hurricane actually demolished his fishing lodge, and I said, would 1:34:12.800 --> 1:34:15.040 you want to work on this with me? And would 1:34:15.040 --> 1:34:17.280 you want to be the guy that runs this lodge? 1:34:17.320 --> 1:34:20.759 And he said yes, And um, you know, because obviously 1:34:20.760 --> 1:34:22.720 it's not something you can do alone and you need 1:34:22.800 --> 1:34:25.280 somebody who really knows what they're doing. And we've been 1:34:25.320 --> 1:34:28.080 working on this for the last year and a half. 1:34:28.400 --> 1:34:31.800 So this will be a commercial enterprise people, Okay. And 1:34:31.840 --> 1:34:35.479 it's up and running now. Yeah, it's been open since Okay, 1:34:35.520 --> 1:34:37.280 So what's the name of it? Since we're talking, called 1:34:37.280 --> 1:34:41.559 the South Fork Lodge. Okay, And you grew up in 1:34:41.640 --> 1:34:44.800 Las Vegas when you become such a big fisherman, I 1:34:44.880 --> 1:34:47.240 used to fish in Las Vegas. In fact, Cleto who 1:34:47.280 --> 1:34:51.840 I mentioned earlier, who is also in my band, UM 1:34:51.920 --> 1:34:54.160 would take us to Lake Mead and we go fishing. 1:34:54.200 --> 1:34:57.760 We almost never caught anything, but we loved it more 1:34:57.840 --> 1:35:01.320 than anything. And when I'm out on the river fishing 1:35:01.600 --> 1:35:08.720 is when I really am able to stop and enjoy life. Okay, 1:35:08.800 --> 1:35:11.920 what do you do with all your money? Um? I 1:35:11.960 --> 1:35:16.280 spend it on the fishing lodge. I do a lot 1:35:16.280 --> 1:35:22.519 of stuff with with my money. Um Uh, I donated 1:35:22.600 --> 1:35:25.439 all to charity. I you know what I like to 1:35:25.479 --> 1:35:28.640 do good things with the money. Um. I bought my 1:35:28.680 --> 1:35:32.440 parents a house, about my in laws a house. Um 1:35:33.040 --> 1:35:37.880 I bought the fishing lodge. And um, I don't love 1:35:37.880 --> 1:35:41.320 the stock market. I don't love any of that stuff. 1:35:41.320 --> 1:35:44.360 To me, it's like it's gambling. Is a bunch of 1:35:44.360 --> 1:35:49.280 people making money without actually doing anything or making anything. Um. 1:35:49.320 --> 1:35:53.920 So I like, I'm more interested in real estate than Okay, 1:35:53.920 --> 1:35:56.760 but you're handsomely paid, so I must assume there is 1:35:57.560 --> 1:36:00.639 uh cash stock or something somewhere where you know your 1:36:00.720 --> 1:36:08.000 liquid assets? Where are those? Um my liquid assets? I 1:36:08.040 --> 1:36:10.120 don't really know. I don't really I was gonna be 1:36:10.160 --> 1:36:12.400 my next question. You don't know someone's managing that. You 1:36:12.439 --> 1:36:15.400 don't think about it. I don't think about it. I'm I. 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:19.080 I know I have enough money and um uh, and 1:36:19.160 --> 1:36:22.240 I know I'm not being robbed. That's the extent of it. Oh, 1:36:22.320 --> 1:36:25.360 believe me, A lot of people have been robbed. Okay, 1:36:25.439 --> 1:36:28.080 so both you and me, even though I'm older than you, 1:36:28.640 --> 1:36:31.840 we grew up in a completely different America. Yeah, what's 1:36:31.840 --> 1:36:36.960 gonna happen in America? Well, um, I like to think 1:36:37.000 --> 1:36:42.280 we're gonna we're going to reunite. But it doesn't feel 1:36:42.320 --> 1:36:45.200 like it right now, that's for sure. It doesn't even 1:36:45.240 --> 1:36:49.040 feel like I mean, even something like COVID. This should 1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:52.400 have united us. This should have been the thing. This 1:36:52.439 --> 1:36:55.639 should have been our World War where everybody pitched in 1:36:55.720 --> 1:37:01.840 and helped each other. And instead it became another right 1:37:02.040 --> 1:37:06.920 versus left situation, which is just absolutely crazy. And I 1:37:06.920 --> 1:37:11.160 don't think anyone expected it. And I don't know that 1:37:11.280 --> 1:37:14.479 it's going on in other countries other than the countries 1:37:14.520 --> 1:37:16.680 that are influenced by the way we do things, and 1:37:16.720 --> 1:37:19.639 who see like, oh, okay, if I take that anti 1:37:19.720 --> 1:37:22.680 mask position, I'm going to attract a certain amount of 1:37:22.800 --> 1:37:26.320 people who don't trust the government and blah blah all 1:37:26.320 --> 1:37:32.320 that bullshit. Um I don't feel that optimistic. I really don't. Um. 1:37:33.680 --> 1:37:37.000 I hope I'm I very much hope I'm off and 1:37:37.080 --> 1:37:40.840 that there will be a time where we um are 1:37:40.960 --> 1:37:43.760 all Americans again. I mean, you know, I have a 1:37:43.800 --> 1:37:48.520 flag on my house and um uh. And people sometimes 1:37:48.560 --> 1:37:51.880 get the wrong idea, which bothers me. It's like, like, hey, 1:37:51.920 --> 1:37:55.080 this is not their symbol. This is our symbol. This 1:37:55.200 --> 1:37:59.240 is You're supposed to love this country and be patriotic, 1:37:59.400 --> 1:38:02.880 and I'll do all those things that we learned. We're 1:38:02.920 --> 1:38:05.200 also supposed to be critical of our country, and we're 1:38:05.200 --> 1:38:08.520 also supposed to be welcoming to people from other countries, 1:38:08.600 --> 1:38:11.680 and we're supposed to help people who are poor. And 1:38:11.720 --> 1:38:15.160 this idea of America first is a disgusting notion. It's 1:38:15.200 --> 1:38:21.840 it's disgusting. It's it's not that's not America. America inherently is. 1:38:21.920 --> 1:38:24.880 It was a refuge for people from all over the 1:38:24.920 --> 1:38:28.160 world to come and work together and build something. And 1:38:28.200 --> 1:38:32.280 obviously you know that there have been the groups that 1:38:32.320 --> 1:38:37.440 have been discriminated against in horrible ways. Um, but ultimately 1:38:37.479 --> 1:38:40.679 we I think we all when you and I were kids, 1:38:40.840 --> 1:38:44.479 used to feel like we're America. You know, we're all 1:38:44.560 --> 1:38:48.800 rooting for the same team. And um, now we seem 1:38:48.840 --> 1:38:52.760 to have two teams living under the same roof. Let's 1:38:52.800 --> 1:38:55.439 just drill down a little bit. We have now reached 1:38:55.520 --> 1:38:58.840 the point where everybody wants a COVID vaccine has one. 1:38:59.360 --> 1:39:02.520 How do we nvince the how can you help convince 1:39:03.479 --> 1:39:06.439 or other people help convince the people who won't get 1:39:06.439 --> 1:39:10.160 to give vaccine to get vaccinated. I can't, Bob, I'm 1:39:10.160 --> 1:39:13.720 I do not have that cash at However, there are 1:39:13.840 --> 1:39:18.240 people like Donald Trump, for instance, who did get the vaccine, 1:39:18.479 --> 1:39:23.200 who credits himself greatly for developing the vaccine and speeding 1:39:23.240 --> 1:39:27.080 the production of the vaccine. And why he hasn't turned well, 1:39:27.120 --> 1:39:29.960 I know why he hasn't turned the corner on that 1:39:30.160 --> 1:39:33.479 and just outright said you need to get the vaccine. 1:39:33.479 --> 1:39:35.840 Why he didn't put out a picture of himself with 1:39:35.920 --> 1:39:39.840 a needle in his arm shows his his his selfishness, 1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:43.240 his that he did that he cares more about his 1:39:43.720 --> 1:39:47.439 about keeping everyone under his his horrible little umbrella than 1:39:47.479 --> 1:39:52.160 he does about their actual lives. These people are their 1:39:52.320 --> 1:39:56.960 lives are in danger because the people who they followed 1:39:57.080 --> 1:40:00.479 don't care about them, and they need to do or 1:40:00.680 --> 1:40:04.840 those people who who do have the trust of that community. 1:40:05.680 --> 1:40:11.120 The musicians and the athletes and the you know UFC fire. 1:40:11.200 --> 1:40:13.680 You know, these people need to speak out and they 1:40:13.720 --> 1:40:17.400 need to tell people, especially the ones who are getting 1:40:17.439 --> 1:40:19.960 the shots. We know there are lots of Republicans getting 1:40:19.960 --> 1:40:24.280 the shots. Why where are they Why aren't they telling 1:40:24.400 --> 1:40:28.280 people telling their people to do it? Because the more 1:40:28.400 --> 1:40:30.639 I tell them to do it, the less they're gonna 1:40:30.680 --> 1:40:35.040 do it. Wow. Okay, and you're a student of the game. 1:40:36.160 --> 1:40:38.320 What's going to happen with the landscape? Let me painted 1:40:38.360 --> 1:40:42.519 for a second. Used to be network television and the movies. 1:40:43.640 --> 1:40:48.720 Now we have internet platforms, YouTube, Instagram, Snapchat, etcetera. That's 1:40:48.800 --> 1:40:53.040 one thing. We have network television and the networks were 1:40:53.080 --> 1:40:55.879 smart because they ended up buying some of the cable channels. 1:40:56.040 --> 1:40:59.559 It's just not ABC anymore, just like it's not just 1:40:59.640 --> 1:41:03.920 not BC or CBS. But we know the ratings for 1:41:05.360 --> 1:41:08.680 the networks have gone down. There are a lot of 1:41:08.760 --> 1:41:12.720 channels on that are built into the cable system, that 1:41:12.760 --> 1:41:16.920 are supported by us paying for cable that don't exist otherwise. 1:41:17.560 --> 1:41:19.960 We have the movie studios that are only making a 1:41:20.000 --> 1:41:24.519 certain kind of movie. We have multiple streaming platforms. How 1:41:24.560 --> 1:41:27.760 do you see this all playing out? I love it. 1:41:27.800 --> 1:41:31.519 I think it's great. I think the idea that some 1:41:31.720 --> 1:41:35.080 sixteen year old kid can have his or her own 1:41:35.439 --> 1:41:40.280 TikTok video popular channel and get millions of people watching 1:41:40.360 --> 1:41:44.080 and actually make a living, uh, is a great thing. 1:41:44.240 --> 1:41:46.000 I wish I had that when I was a kid. 1:41:46.240 --> 1:41:49.439 I think I believe I wish I did too. And 1:41:49.680 --> 1:41:51.360 it was so hard. I mean, I just think about 1:41:51.360 --> 1:41:54.040 my career. It was so hard to get on the radio. 1:41:54.200 --> 1:41:57.120 It was just so hard to get in in a 1:41:57.400 --> 1:41:59.600 in a studio in front of a microphone. And I 1:41:59.720 --> 1:42:03.120 will is under the thumb of these companies I worked for, 1:42:03.360 --> 1:42:06.519 because when I got fired, there wasn't enough. I couldn't 1:42:06.560 --> 1:42:10.840 go across the street. You know, the radio stations consolidated 1:42:11.000 --> 1:42:13.479 and it made it impossible you had to move to 1:42:13.520 --> 1:42:17.480 another city if you wanted to stay in that music format. 1:42:17.720 --> 1:42:21.680 And the idea now that anybody can can have a podcast, 1:42:21.880 --> 1:42:25.720 and that everybody's got a shot at it becoming popular, 1:42:25.920 --> 1:42:29.400 and that I mean, I just think it like it 1:42:29.840 --> 1:42:33.800 opens the doors to the best talent. It gives you practice, 1:42:33.920 --> 1:42:36.360 which is something you really, you know, you can't get 1:42:36.439 --> 1:42:39.160 from calling in every once in a while to a 1:42:39.280 --> 1:42:42.160 radio station. It gives you those reps that you need 1:42:42.600 --> 1:42:45.880 to um, you know, to host something later in your career. 1:42:46.240 --> 1:42:48.800 And I think it's great. I think you know just 1:42:48.840 --> 1:42:50.880 what you said about the movies, and they're only making 1:42:50.920 --> 1:42:54.400 these movies, these huge superhero movies, this kind of stuff. 1:42:55.560 --> 1:42:58.559 The punishment for that is going to be they're gonna 1:42:58.600 --> 1:43:02.400 be a million little mini movies, studios making a million 1:43:02.439 --> 1:43:05.760 little what we call them TV shows because they're not 1:43:06.000 --> 1:43:09.320 in theaters. But who cares about theaters anymore? And I 1:43:09.360 --> 1:43:13.760 think that the power structure is completely upside down, and 1:43:13.840 --> 1:43:16.439 I don't think that's bad for anyone other than the 1:43:16.479 --> 1:43:19.360 people who are at the top of it. And the 1:43:19.400 --> 1:43:22.679 future of talk shows, the future of talk shows will 1:43:22.800 --> 1:43:29.360 be shows that have much smaller audiences but have particular subjects. 1:43:29.479 --> 1:43:32.160 And you will be able to find a talk show 1:43:32.200 --> 1:43:35.800 that you love because it really pushes every You'll be 1:43:35.840 --> 1:43:40.000 able to find a talk show about um, you know, 1:43:40.080 --> 1:43:44.519 sculpting and clay, you know, and those people on those 1:43:44.520 --> 1:43:48.360 shows aren't necessarily gonna make fifteen million dollars a year, 1:43:48.840 --> 1:43:51.760 but they might make a hundred thousand dollars a year. 1:43:51.920 --> 1:43:54.080 And that's you know. I mean, if you can do 1:43:54.120 --> 1:43:57.160 what you love and make a living from it, that's 1:43:57.160 --> 1:44:00.400 as good as it gets. And who do you listen 1:44:00.479 --> 1:44:05.080 to for information? I mostly read, UM, I listened to 1:44:05.120 --> 1:44:08.920 Howard all the time. Not necessary for information, but just 1:44:08.960 --> 1:44:12.960 for entertainment, and um, that takes up most of my 1:44:13.640 --> 1:44:16.439 And I always read your newsletter as well. I I 1:44:16.479 --> 1:44:20.840 always read it. Um, I don't, but I always read it, 1:44:20.880 --> 1:44:23.960 and I think it's I it is amazing how much 1:44:25.479 --> 1:44:28.840 how much material you put out and how many um 1:44:29.080 --> 1:44:33.719 thoughts you have on Israeli television shows. They're the best. 1:44:33.720 --> 1:44:36.320 All the television shows I'm got happen to be Jewish. 1:44:36.640 --> 1:44:38.400 But I didn't say, oh, I gotta sit at home 1:44:38.400 --> 1:44:41.040 watch is really television. You know what's gonna happen, Bob 1:44:41.240 --> 1:44:45.800 is you're eventually. It hasn't happened yet, but the relentlessness 1:44:45.920 --> 1:44:49.679 of the newsletter is eventually going to convince me to 1:44:49.680 --> 1:44:53.280 watch an Israeli television show. And when that does, I 1:44:53.280 --> 1:44:55.080 will send you an it happens, I will send you 1:44:55.120 --> 1:44:57.760 an email letting you know you've won. Okay, I got 1:44:57.800 --> 1:44:59.760 a couple, you know, because just to stay there for 1:45:00.160 --> 1:45:02.880 you know, they have a new season of Stistle. So 1:45:02.920 --> 1:45:06.160 a lot of people are watching this. You've made this up. 1:45:06.280 --> 1:45:09.479 There's nothing. Well the reason I mentioned it. This is 1:45:09.520 --> 1:45:13.000 about super orthodox people in Israel, so you don't want 1:45:13.000 --> 1:45:16.080 to recommend it to non Jews. But all of a sudden, 1:45:16.080 --> 1:45:18.280 the non Jews have called on. I mean, it's one 1:45:18.320 --> 1:45:21.280 thing where you say you gotta watch this show. Okay, 1:45:21.360 --> 1:45:23.360 this is not that show, and then you say, well, 1:45:23.400 --> 1:45:25.920 maybe you want to watch Game, which is about the 1:45:25.960 --> 1:45:30.120 modern Orthodox. They're Orthodox, but they have regular jobs. Okay, 1:45:33.960 --> 1:45:38.200 came now. But Prisoners of War was considered to be 1:45:38.800 --> 1:45:43.040 the best uh foreign TV show of the last decade. 1:45:43.600 --> 1:45:46.200 And that is first of all, it's very heavy and 1:45:46.280 --> 1:45:49.400 really great. But okay, let's just talk about the streaming 1:45:49.439 --> 1:45:52.559 TV for a minute. Okay, there are a couple of 1:45:52.800 --> 1:45:57.599 unbelievable shows that everybody should see. If you watch cops shows, 1:45:57.960 --> 1:46:01.439 the best cop show made you read a spiral? Have 1:46:01.479 --> 1:46:04.599 you seen spiral? I've not seen it. No French show. 1:46:05.479 --> 1:46:12.680 Unbelievable did you say French show? Yes, not deep meaning okay, 1:46:12.720 --> 1:46:17.160 but incredible. Have you watched have you watched Morgan? I'm 1:46:17.200 --> 1:46:20.280 not watching it. I've seen You've seen you write about it. 1:46:20.320 --> 1:46:24.519 But for me, even pleasure is part of my job. 1:46:24.640 --> 1:46:28.160 So when I watch shows, I need to watch things that, 1:46:28.960 --> 1:46:31.640 uh that are going to that I can talk. You know. 1:46:31.800 --> 1:46:35.320 You know Howard Watson watches nothing but shitty television shows. 1:46:36.200 --> 1:46:40.720 That's because he know he's accumulating material. It's if he 1:46:40.720 --> 1:46:43.479 watches a show that's really good, there's not much to 1:46:43.520 --> 1:46:47.479 say about it, you know. So for me, like I 1:46:47.520 --> 1:46:51.080 don't want to watch The Bachelor, but it's part of 1:46:51.080 --> 1:46:53.800 my job, and then it eats up a lot of 1:46:53.840 --> 1:46:56.040 like viewing time. And there are a lot of movies 1:46:56.080 --> 1:46:58.080 I don't want to watch, or TV shows, but I 1:46:58.160 --> 1:47:01.040 have the guest on, so I have to watch their show. 1:47:01.080 --> 1:47:05.160 So I don't have the luxury of watching Schmischel or whatever, 1:47:05.200 --> 1:47:08.280 Smuggli or whatever you watch. And I understand your point, 1:47:08.479 --> 1:47:10.920 and I understand the point you mean about Howard. Ironically, 1:47:11.120 --> 1:47:14.920 some of these shows would help with your material. But 1:47:15.520 --> 1:47:18.920 the interesting thing, especially with COVID, people have watched so 1:47:19.120 --> 1:47:23.040 much television that they're finally looking for new television. People 1:47:23.080 --> 1:47:26.280 are lazy, So let's just watch what everybody else watches 1:47:26.720 --> 1:47:29.120 some of this stuff. If you watched Morgan, which is 1:47:29.160 --> 1:47:34.160 basically a Danish political show, the woman who is the 1:47:34.240 --> 1:47:38.400 star is so charismatic and there's certain ways she behaves 1:47:38.400 --> 1:47:41.160 in a right end. Person is so evil and it 1:47:41.240 --> 1:47:45.560 talks about politics that would give you material because it 1:47:45.560 --> 1:47:50.680 would stimulate something. Back. Have you watched Patriot? Yes? I have, 1:47:51.240 --> 1:47:56.000 and it's a very odd show and you know, not 1:47:56.240 --> 1:47:59.800 that much happens, and you watch it, but you can't 1:48:00.000 --> 1:48:02.920 stop watching it. One of my favorite shows of the 1:48:03.000 --> 1:48:06.400 decade is it's so weird, like that that through line 1:48:06.520 --> 1:48:09.559 with the singing what's happening on the show is such 1:48:10.120 --> 1:48:13.280 sounds like such a stupid idea, and yet it is great. 1:48:13.840 --> 1:48:15.920 You know, it's a cult people who've seen her. So 1:48:15.920 --> 1:48:18.439 what else have you seen? The like? Um? You know, 1:48:18.479 --> 1:48:21.080 the Patriot is one of those few shows that I'm 1:48:21.120 --> 1:48:23.320 able to watch from my own I was able to 1:48:23.360 --> 1:48:25.880 watch from my own pleasure, you know, because most of 1:48:25.920 --> 1:48:29.599 the stuff I watches is because I have to watch it. 1:48:29.680 --> 1:48:35.480 But um, what do I you know, I watch um 1:48:35.680 --> 1:48:40.759 Better Things Pamela Adlin show, very good. She there's something 1:48:40.880 --> 1:48:44.280 magical about her. You know, she's a she's a pip squeak. 1:48:44.640 --> 1:48:47.720 She can be sensitive, but she also can throw it 1:48:47.760 --> 1:48:52.599 out with an edge. She's a tremendously natural actress too. 1:48:52.800 --> 1:48:56.519 U and and I find I love that show. So 1:48:56.760 --> 1:48:59.759 just having watched that show, did you watch a zse 1:49:00.439 --> 1:49:06.080 on sorry shows none? Yes? Yes, yes, that was phenomenal. Yes? Really? 1:49:06.120 --> 1:49:11.280 Did you watch Rami on Hulu? Yes? Rami is great? Yes? Yes? 1:49:11.320 --> 1:49:15.559 Because okay, so continue, you're gonna mention something beyond you 1:49:15.560 --> 1:49:17.639 know it's funny. I I don't know why. It's always 1:49:17.680 --> 1:49:19.800 hard for me. And then once we're done, I'll think 1:49:19.800 --> 1:49:22.320 of eleventh things I didn't mean to when people say 1:49:22.320 --> 1:49:24.439 what records you're listening to? If you had something in 1:49:24.479 --> 1:49:26.439 the top of your head, I don't want to push you. 1:49:26.840 --> 1:49:29.639 The only other show I want to definitely mention, though, Chad. 1:49:29.920 --> 1:49:32.920 Have you seen Chad? No? What is Chad? This is 1:49:32.920 --> 1:49:36.280 a show on TBS and I watched it because I 1:49:36.320 --> 1:49:38.639 had to because I had the star on the show 1:49:39.000 --> 1:49:41.920 and is very, very funny, and I think you would 1:49:41.960 --> 1:49:44.760 like it. Well, what's it about It is about a 1:49:45.280 --> 1:49:49.640 it's a an adult woman playing a teenage boy and 1:49:49.680 --> 1:49:55.000 a Ranian boy, and um, he is a hopeless nerd 1:49:55.800 --> 1:49:59.400 and as weird a character as you've seen on TV. 1:50:00.160 --> 1:50:02.800 And it's just very well done. I want to talk 1:50:02.840 --> 1:50:06.120 about one other show though. There's a show called The Bureau, 1:50:06.320 --> 1:50:10.799 another friend show about the French CIA. The first season 1:50:10.920 --> 1:50:14.000 not as good a one it turns out they do. 1:50:14.120 --> 1:50:18.680 That's fascinating because their secondary characters they're always were overpowered 1:50:18.720 --> 1:50:22.120 by the Americans. And the other thing is they can 1:50:22.160 --> 1:50:26.200 operate in countries where we can't, Like I ran okay, 1:50:26.320 --> 1:50:29.320 but it comes very tense as it goes along, very 1:50:29.439 --> 1:50:31.839 much like you know, what you would expect from a movie. 1:50:32.439 --> 1:50:36.240 But uh, you know what kills us. I only watch 1:50:36.280 --> 1:50:39.800 shows with my wife, so uh, if you know are 1:50:40.000 --> 1:50:44.080 we have we have a few hours together, so when 1:50:44.080 --> 1:50:48.439 we watch stuff we watched together and m and so 1:50:49.040 --> 1:50:51.679 we have to pick shows that are of mutual interest. Well, 1:50:51.720 --> 1:50:54.240 I find the same thing. It's like when I watch 1:50:54.960 --> 1:50:58.479 certainly you know Israeli show Our Boys was too violent 1:50:58.520 --> 1:51:02.240 for my girlfriend who I live with been together sixteen 1:51:02.320 --> 1:51:06.479 years next month, just as I say, my girlfriend, But uh, 1:51:06.560 --> 1:51:10.360 the other thing is go mora. Do you know the show? Yes, 1:51:10.479 --> 1:51:12.920 I you know what many of my friends have. My 1:51:13.000 --> 1:51:15.080 girlfriend won't watch it, so I you know, I only 1:51:15.120 --> 1:51:17.439 got through one episode. If I don't watch with her, 1:51:17.960 --> 1:51:21.040 my mind wanders. It's funny. So it's the same thing 1:51:21.080 --> 1:51:24.320 everybody talks about Peaky Blinders said. My girlfriend didn't like it. 1:51:24.439 --> 1:51:26.320 I mean it's not I could watch it myself, but 1:51:27.120 --> 1:51:32.000 not really happening. And ever read a book? Have I 1:51:32.040 --> 1:51:34.040 ever read a book? No? Now? Do you have any 1:51:34.080 --> 1:51:37.360 time to read a book? Not much, but for work. 1:51:37.760 --> 1:51:40.599 I just I had to read Hunter Biden's book. Um, 1:51:41.120 --> 1:51:42.960 I had him on the show. That was the last 1:51:43.000 --> 1:51:47.040 one I read. Hunter guilty of any of the ship. 1:51:47.160 --> 1:51:52.559 The Republicans say, the laptop, it's ridiculous. How about Bayner's book? 1:51:52.600 --> 1:51:57.000 You can have been around? No, no, no, no, he's 1:51:56.360 --> 1:52:00.839 he's he's suddenly very compassionate. I find that annoying. Okay, 1:52:00.920 --> 1:52:03.800 that's good. Who have you not had on that you 1:52:03.800 --> 1:52:06.479 want to have on? Not too many people. I've had 1:52:06.520 --> 1:52:10.400 almost everybody, but Madonna is somebody I had a I 1:52:10.479 --> 1:52:12.599 had the hots from Madonna when I was in high school. 1:52:12.640 --> 1:52:16.320 And she's never been on the show. Do you think 1:52:16.640 --> 1:52:18.400 you would be able to do your show if she 1:52:18.520 --> 1:52:20.720 came on or she would take over. She probably take 1:52:20.760 --> 1:52:24.200 off for you. It would be anybody you haven't met 1:52:24.240 --> 1:52:28.719 that you'd like to meet. Um, you know, I Banksy 1:52:28.880 --> 1:52:31.240 to me is a very interesting character who I would 1:52:31.280 --> 1:52:34.400 love to have on the show. I think if your 1:52:34.439 --> 1:52:37.759 own any Banksy, I do, I have a couple of them. Yeah. 1:52:37.960 --> 1:52:41.280 What do you think about the self destroying uh artwork? 1:52:41.320 --> 1:52:45.120 I love it. I's he's brilliant. It's it's just uh, 1:52:45.360 --> 1:52:48.280 you know, I can't get enough of that kind of thing. 1:52:49.120 --> 1:52:55.439 Ther irreverence, the irreverence, the creativity, this even weird prank 1:52:55.479 --> 1:52:58.720 element to it. And um also just putting a pin 1:52:58.800 --> 1:53:02.559 in all that art ship. Okay, since we're there, n 1:53:02.640 --> 1:53:07.880 f T S, what's you take? You know? I think 1:53:07.920 --> 1:53:10.280 I kind of know what they are. I've you know, 1:53:10.360 --> 1:53:12.320 I think when you hit a certain age, or at 1:53:12.360 --> 1:53:15.120 least from me, like I now have lost the ability 1:53:15.160 --> 1:53:17.920 to read directions and figure out how to do things, 1:53:17.960 --> 1:53:20.679 Like my brain is not a sponge anymore, it's a rock. 1:53:21.240 --> 1:53:24.760 And um, I think I have a basic idea of 1:53:24.880 --> 1:53:28.120 what they are. They seem to be imaginary baseball cards. 1:53:28.280 --> 1:53:32.320 As far as they are, you understand it completely. And 1:53:32.520 --> 1:53:34.360 that was the best way for me to understand that 1:53:34.400 --> 1:53:38.360 a guy what imaginary baseball? Did somebody say that because 1:53:38.360 --> 1:53:40.679 I said none of them? He didn't use the term. 1:53:40.800 --> 1:53:43.600 You can own the term. It's great, but that's what 1:53:43.680 --> 1:53:47.000 he exactly said. I was a baseball card collector. I 1:53:47.040 --> 1:53:49.719 just want an interest, just like people own baseball cards. 1:53:49.880 --> 1:53:53.519 They're gonna have these, you know, fake baseball cards. And 1:53:53.560 --> 1:53:56.280 I felt the same way about it, as you're just ridiculous. Spot. 1:53:56.360 --> 1:53:59.439 Maybe we should start selling imaginary baseball cards. I think 1:53:59.439 --> 1:54:02.280 you know, the window is already closed. I've got a 1:54:02.360 --> 1:54:04.920 jim Rice that I think people will be really interested 1:54:04.960 --> 1:54:09.320 in right now here. It is. Oh, I could see it. 1:54:09.760 --> 1:54:12.160 The appers to close. Jimmy. I won't keep you any longer. 1:54:12.360 --> 1:54:15.160 You know, it's interesting because you always try to find 1:54:15.840 --> 1:54:18.000 the hot point, and now I realized the hot point 1:54:18.000 --> 1:54:20.720 would be just having the conversation. I should have just 1:54:20.760 --> 1:54:24.040 brought up bullshit like a friend instead of all this 1:54:24.120 --> 1:54:28.200 other stuff. It's like when Howard he had mad Dog on, 1:54:28.360 --> 1:54:33.280 did you listen to okay? Mad Dog kissed? Howard's asked 1:54:33.600 --> 1:54:37.960 way too hard okay, and then they you know, they 1:54:38.000 --> 1:54:41.720 cover something usually, but then he asked, mad dogs take 1:54:42.360 --> 1:54:46.680 the last half hour. I don't know if you heard that. Brilliant. Okay, 1:54:46.880 --> 1:54:50.240 he should ask him anything. Godfather one, Godfather too. He 1:54:50.320 --> 1:54:52.480 had a take on everything, And you say, god, I 1:54:52.560 --> 1:54:54.400 would love to sit with this guy because what I 1:54:54.480 --> 1:54:59.360 love to do most is argue about all this fucking ship. Right. Yeah, yeah, 1:54:59.600 --> 1:55:02.080 you know there's if I can think of one person 1:55:02.120 --> 1:55:04.640 in my life, it's Adam Carolla, who has a take 1:55:04.800 --> 1:55:10.440 on literally any subject and a funny take usually. And 1:55:10.520 --> 1:55:13.560 in fact, I was walking with this this journalist Bill 1:55:13.640 --> 1:55:15.840 Carter at the beginning of my show, and I was 1:55:15.880 --> 1:55:18.440 telling him about Adam. I said, Adam has a take 1:55:18.480 --> 1:55:21.600 on give him. Look when we see him next. We're 1:55:21.600 --> 1:55:23.640 walking around the corner. I said, give him I think 1:55:23.680 --> 1:55:26.960 anything you can think of. And he's like, I think. 1:55:26.960 --> 1:55:28.440 He had like a cocktail in his hand with one 1:55:28.480 --> 1:55:30.960 of those little red drinking straws, and here comes at 1:55:31.040 --> 1:55:33.280 him around the corner and he goes, Adam, what do 1:55:33.280 --> 1:55:35.040 you think of these little And I was like, yeah, 1:55:35.080 --> 1:55:38.480 that was strawn and they're straws, but they're not straws. 1:55:38.600 --> 1:55:41.840 They're like he went in the whole thing. I was 1:55:41.920 --> 1:55:44.640 like seeing there you go. I know, as I say, 1:55:44.680 --> 1:55:47.200 I happen to like mad Dog. You know. That was 1:55:47.200 --> 1:55:49.160 one of the weird things where we went to went 1:55:49.200 --> 1:55:52.160 to satellite and lost a good percentage of his audience 1:55:52.240 --> 1:55:53.920 was supposed to Howard. But I think we've come to 1:55:53.960 --> 1:55:56.280 the end of the feeling we've known. Jimmy. I really 1:55:56.280 --> 1:55:58.240 have to thank you for taking all this. That was fun. 1:55:58.280 --> 1:56:00.960 Thanks Bob, appreciate you having me and uh, it's good 1:56:01.000 --> 1:56:05.560 to chat with you with words instead of typing Yes. 1:56:05.960 --> 1:56:08.440 Until next time. This is Bob Lefts. Thanks