1 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets Podcast. 2 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: My guest today is the one and only Jimmy Kimmel. Jimmy, Bob, 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: how are you? I'm doing? Okay, let's start from the beginning. 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: Do you ever pinch yourself that you have a late 5 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: night show, you host the Oscars, the Emmy's, you're the 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: face of ABC. I mean, do you ever say, how wow, 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: this is unbelievable. How did I get here? No? You 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: know what I do is I make it all negative. 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: I try to focus on the negative and the things 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: that I don't want to do. But you're right, and 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: in fact, I was. I was just thinking about this 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: because I was thinking about a dinner I had at 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: my house with a bunch of comedians, and um, you 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: has some guys that I always loved, and I thought, wow, 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: I hope I never get over that feeling of two things. 16 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: Number one, I can't believe these guys are in my house, 17 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: and then number two, I can't believe this is my house. 18 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: Let's just go back for a second. Was the negative 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: thing a joke? Because don't forget a Letterman. Letterman is 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, uh famous for being self loathing and finding 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: the cloud in any silver lining. I am not self 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: loathing by any means. I you know, I think I 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: have relatively good self esteem. But I don't want to 24 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: do anything I have to do. Even if I enjoy 25 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: doing the thing I have to do, I want to 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: do it. It's a weird thing. It's like anything that's 27 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: on the schedule as my enemy. Uh my dream day 28 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: is something that has no appointments on it. So you know, 29 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: I know it's not the greatest way to look at things. 30 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: It's actually a very bad way to look at things. 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: But it does seem to be conssistent throughout my career. Okay, 32 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: so let's say you have a day with nothing on 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: the schedule. Is that end up being great? Were does 34 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: the day drag? Oh? The day never drags. There always 35 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: a million things to do. And my wife makes fun 36 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: of me because we have a beach house and we'll 37 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: go there on the weekends and I'll just sit at 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: the table in the kitchen and work all day with 39 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: the door open. She's like, you know, you never even 40 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: you didn't even look, you didn't go outside all day. 41 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: It's like, I know, I just need to catch up. 42 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: I just I that's what relaxes me being caught up 43 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: on that huge list of things to do? Do you 44 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: actually have a list? Keep a list? I do I 45 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: keep a list? Is it a physical or do you 46 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: keep it in an app? I keep it in you know, 47 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: the notes app. I keep mind too. It goes to 48 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: do April, and then I don't get to most of 49 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: the things, and it becomes to do May one and 50 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: so on. Now do you have certain things that just 51 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: stay at the bottom month after month after month. Let 52 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: me look at it right now and I'll tell you 53 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: this will be in true thing. Okay, um, yeah, there 54 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: are certain things that, um that do stay at the bottom. 55 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: One that aren't urgent, and there are things that I 56 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: hope to get to, but like I have to make 57 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: a video for a charity that doesn't have a real 58 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: hard deadline, so I haven't gotten to that. There's a 59 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: listed something that says t shirts. I don't even know 60 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: what that means. Uh. There's something that says fire pits 61 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: with a question mark next to it. So well, it's 62 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: funny because at the bottom I have this I have 63 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: to make this phone call to this rock star I 64 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: know pretty well, but I know what's gonna be like 65 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: two or three hours, and I haven't quite geared myself 66 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: up for it. And now it's been like five months, 67 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: and I said, well, if I cross it off, does 68 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: that mean I'm not doing it or just that it's 69 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: in my mind? But let's go back. Is it just 70 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: a hurdle that once something's on the schedule and you start, 71 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: you forget it, you know your anxiety or you're not 72 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: wanting to do it just a years or do you 73 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: have to kind of get revved up and get into it. 74 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: Um No, I'm okay. Once I get you know, I 75 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: have so many things to do that it's just like 76 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm like a like a hooker in some ways, it's 77 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: just like, all right, let's he here we go. All right, 78 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: let's just do this. And there are a lot of meetings. 79 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: The meanings are the things the thing that I don't 80 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: necessarily care for. But most of it's fine. Most of 81 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: it is me doing what I call homeworks, is editing 82 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: scripts and going through hundreds of ideas and figuring things out. Yeah, 83 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Okay, let's separate their meetings that 84 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: are business and meetings for the show. What percentage of 85 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: there meetings for the show and what percentage or meetings 86 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: for external stuff for the show for external stuff. Okay, 87 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: so during COVID, were those meetings done via zoom or 88 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: conference call or what they're mostly still being done via zoom. 89 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, Bob, but COVID 90 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: is not over yet. I know that Steve Cropper thinks 91 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: it is. But well, I will tell you it's a 92 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: very strange thing if we get into this, because I'm 93 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: taking it very seriously. I know. I mean you probably 94 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: do too, those of us who know a lot of 95 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: different people. I know a lot of people have died, 96 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: and it's definitely possible. And in my particular case, I 97 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: take the one drug that if you take it, the 98 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: vaccine doesn't work. So I have been vaccinated months ago, 99 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: and they now have a test that can literally show 100 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: how many antibodies you have. And the threshold on the 101 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: test is one. Most people have over twenty. I have 102 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: point one. So I don't go down my whole avenue. 103 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: But I will say I'm taking it unbelievably seriously. Other 104 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: than doctors, I'm not seeing anybody. I'm going hike in 105 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: the mountains. Otherwise I'm home. I'd close up your nose 106 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: holes if I was you. I mean, just that's a boy. 107 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: That's scary. I'm sorry you're going through that. That is, 108 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: but I will tell you I was just at it. 109 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: I just did a shoot this morning at a gymnastics place, 110 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to learn to do a cartwheel and 111 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: one of the people neither can I by the way, 112 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: none of one of the people that works there. You know, 113 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: we were putting a mask and somebody's like, yeah, her 114 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: husband passed away from COVID. It's like, oh my god, 115 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: you know it's you. It's easy to forget that these 116 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: numbers that you see on CNN, that there people, and 117 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: that people lose their loved ones to this, and that 118 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: it's not just an inconvenience, which I think is what 119 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: it is for probably most people, just in inconvenience. That's 120 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: more than an inconvenience. Well, there's so many things there. 121 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: I mean, well, people don't realize is someday they're gonna die, 122 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: even like Sumner Redstone or as Jerry Seinfeld says, we're 123 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: here to be replaced. And what they when you die, 124 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: I don't care who you are. Life goes on. So 125 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: you think what you're doing is so important. It's really 126 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: a strange thing. But when you have these meetings, do 127 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 1: you run the meeting? Um? Not? Usually no, who runs 128 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: the meeting? The meeting is usually focused on me, So 129 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: it depends on what department I'm talking to. They're usually 130 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: pitching me stuff or trying to get my take on something. 131 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: Usually I don't run the meeting, no, okay, But in 132 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: the meeting it demands your attention the whole time. Yeah, 133 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: so you're not doodling. You're not, you know, surfing the 134 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: web while you're doing this whatever. I am doodling, but 135 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: but my not different part of my brain is paying attention. Okay. 136 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: Can one say that you're moving so fast and there's 137 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: so much in the landscape that really you don't have 138 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: time to think about it and what it means. Yeah, 139 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: there are a lot of things I don't have time. 140 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: There are things I wish I'd had more time to 141 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: think through. But you know, the worst part of this 142 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: job is being asked a million questions and knowing, unless 143 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: you're a lunatic, knowing that yeah, a certain percentage of 144 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: your answers have to be wrong. There again't all be right. 145 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: So you could ask like two questions in a day, 146 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: and that doesn't even count picking between jokes or bits 147 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and um, a certain percentage of 148 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: them are not going to be right. And it's you know, 149 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: that's just something that you have to accept. You know. 150 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: I go to a therapist for that because it's very hard. 151 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: He says, just make a decision, whether it's right or wrong. 152 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's what you've already achieved that you 153 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: know that a certain number will inherently be wrong. But 154 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: I will tell you, Bob, I'll tell you a weird thing. 155 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: I can make a million decisions when it comes to 156 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: work or you know, comedy or material whatever, But when 157 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: it comes to trying to figure out what to do 158 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: for vacation, I am I mean, and my wife is 159 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: this way too. We cannot ever make a decision. It 160 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: becomes like we almost always make the decision at the 161 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: last minute. Well, we're absolutely us two, but because we 162 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: just can't, it's just two. It's overwhelming and it's a 163 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: weird thing. And we have talked about it, like why 164 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: is this Why can't we figure this out? Why is 165 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: this so difficult? And I don't know what the answer is. 166 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: I really don't. Generally speaking, of you, the kind of 167 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: guy who doesn't plan ahead. I know, I very much 168 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: plan ahead, very much. So so it's only in this 169 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: one area that you're stifled, so to speak. And so 170 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: how many weeks a year are you off from the show? 171 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: I am off? Now I have a new arrangement with 172 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: ABC where I take the summers off I am off from, 173 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: which is really just July and August. So I'm off 174 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: July and August, and then we have I think, um 175 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: six weeks spread throughout the rest of the year. Okay, 176 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: you know famously Johnny went to four days, but Letterman 177 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: had five shows a week, even though he did two 178 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: on one day. To take the summer off, must have 179 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: been pretty confident in your status to even ask for it. Yeah. 180 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: Actually I didn't even ask for it. I was thinking 181 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: maybe that maybe I've had enough. I don't know if 182 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: I can continue going at this pace. And either my 183 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: agent or ABC or some combination of the two said, 184 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: well what if you had the summer off? And I said, well, 185 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: that would be great, and I think I could that 186 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: I think could keep me going for a little while. Okay, 187 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: so you have a summer off, you have young children. 188 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: What's the general plan. Now. You know that's hard for me, Bob, 189 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: I can't figure it out. Well, let's start for the beginning. 190 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: Your house is in the South Bay, right, your beach house. Yes, okay, 191 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: that's a big thing in l A. Because most people 192 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: are north, they are Malibu. Whatever. How did you decide 193 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: to be south? I have had I have a very 194 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: small house. Our house is square feet and I have 195 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: had it since. I've had it for sixteen years, I think. 196 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: And I love it down there. I like people on 197 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: the beach. I don't like Malibu. I don't like I 198 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: just don't like the way it goes, you know. I 199 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: like to see umbrellas and children and families and groups 200 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: of people on the beach. I enjoy it. Nobody bothers 201 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: me down there. People are very nice, and it's just 202 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: it just relaxes me. When I I come over there. 203 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: There's a little hill that I go down to go 204 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: down to the beach. When I go over that hill 205 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: on Friday, I feel a sense of relief and it's like, oh, 206 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: this is the weekend. It's happening. And do you have 207 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: anybody's who have houses down there? Um? Almost my whole 208 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: family lives down there. My parents my in laws, my cousins. Uh, 209 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: so we have a lot of friends down there. Okay, 210 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: let's queer switch gears completely. Uh. The reason we're doing 211 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: this podcast not that is we had a series of 212 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: emails about the whole late night world and you were 213 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: telling me that primarily or a big factor is creating 214 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: stuff to post online. Can you tell us a little 215 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: bit more about that, amplify that. Well, I don't know 216 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: if I put it that way. I just you were talking, 217 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: you know, I think you, um, you are a harbinger 218 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,359 Speaker 1: of death when it comes to all of our businesses 219 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: that we've loved throughout the years, throughout our childhood, and um, 220 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, for the most part, you're right. But I 221 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: do think that what people miss and people are so 222 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: focused on, like Nielsen ratings when it comes to and 223 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about primetime television. I'm talking about late 224 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: night television. If you were to look at the Nielsen ratings, 225 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: you'd say, wow, things have really gone downhill. But if 226 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: you look at the reality of late night television, it's 227 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: that people are watching it on YouTube. People are millions 228 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: of people every night are watching my monologue and Cold 229 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: Bear's monologue and Falon's and Seth Meyers and James Cornet 230 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: Are they just we actually um offered our product up 231 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: for free to YouTube and we get almost nothing in return. 232 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: And now people don't have to watch our show anymore 233 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: because they know they get it there. Well, one thing 234 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: we did discuss. You weren't sure the answer to this 235 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: is to what degree it is monetized on YouTube? Um, 236 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: well it is monetized. But the I mean you're talking 237 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: about compared to television rate revenue, You're you're talking about 238 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: probably ten of our revenue comes from YouTube. Okay, So 239 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: what is the goal? Is the goal you say a 240 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: lot of people they're watching, they never watch you on 241 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: regular television when you're on for an hour, So it's 242 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: not revenue. Is it to keep your name in the game? 243 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: Is it for personal satisfaction? What is it all about? Well, 244 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: it just kind of happened, is the truth. It was. 245 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: Um we started The reason we even started a YouTube 246 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: channel was because we made this video called I'm Fucking 247 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: Damon and everyone was posting it and it was getting 248 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: millions of views on a lot of people's pages and 249 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: it had nothing to do with the revenue. I just 250 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: didn't like the way some people were posting it. Some 251 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: of them were cutting out the interest and it was 252 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: like messy. I didn't like how it was being presented, 253 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: so I said we should we should start our own 254 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: YouTube channel so we can post these videos in the 255 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: way we want them to be posted and then viral 256 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: videos from late night television shows just for those people. 257 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: Were just for those people who may not be you know, 258 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: your biggest fan. What year are we talking about, Um, 259 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: we are talking about Let's see when was that video? Maybe? Okay, 260 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: I can figure it out because it was made for 261 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: my forty birthday, but then there was a writers strike 262 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: so we had to hold it. I think it was 263 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: two thousand eight beginning. So this was really early YouTube, 264 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: before all the influenzer craziness, never mind Instagram, etcetera. Yes, 265 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: it was very early. I'm I'm certain we were the 266 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: first show late night shoot to have a YouTube channel. 267 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: So then we started posting our videos there just because 268 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, you want people as many people to see 269 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: your stuff as possible. It seemed like a way, uh 270 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: to catalog your show and your best bits, and then 271 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: people could go and look at something you're particularly proud of. 272 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: We none of us realized that it would go completely 273 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: upside down and most people will be watching on YouTube, 274 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: you know, and that's what has happened. But you can't 275 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: really put it back in the box, you know. It's 276 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: it's you can't just get off YouTube. It's not because 277 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: you'd have to coordinate with all of the shows to 278 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: get off YouTube, and then you'd have pirates putting the 279 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: stuff up anyway, and it usually takes twenty four hours 280 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: to get it taken down, so it would just be 281 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: you'd wind up just like chasing your dog around in circles. 282 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: What did ABC say about this? They, you know, they 283 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: felt the same way. They're like, yeah, fine, you know, uh, 284 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: let's we'll put it on you We'll go on YouTube, okay, 285 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: because some of these channels they insistence on their own 286 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: domain page and they kill it on YouTube, etcetera. You 287 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: got no static or you were so early that the 288 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: paradigm was set before they realized what was happening. Yeah, 289 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: and we were all in the same boat. None of 290 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: us saw this as the basically outlet from I mean, 291 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: we're we're all we're all doing shows for YouTube and 292 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: being paid by someone else to do them, which is 293 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: a great spot to be in if your YouTube. Okay, 294 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: but let's talk about Jimmy Kimmel. So now you're creating 295 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: a show every night. To what degree in the back 296 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: of your mind are you thinking does this work on YouTube? 297 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: Very little? I I always try to remember what I'm doing, 298 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: what I was doing at the beginning. Um. I have 299 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: an idea of what is going to work. But I 300 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: do not program the show for YouTube. Do you watch 301 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: the YouTube numbers? Yes, we do look at the YouTube numbers. 302 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: You particularly you watch them. I look at it every week. 303 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: I get a report on on it every weekend, and 304 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: every once in a while there's something. If I'm particularly 305 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: interested to see how it's doing, how it's playing, I 306 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: will look. Okay, Now you must know what works and 307 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: doesn't work on YouTube, right, I have a pretty good idea. Yeah, 308 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: So what works generally and what doesn't work? The monologue 309 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: is works best of all, um the um uh, certain 310 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: comedy bits, when you really put your foot into them, 311 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: those will play very well. Mean tweets. Um. There's certain 312 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: bits that we do regularly that do well because people 313 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: know to look for them. What doesn't do well is music. Weirdly, Um, 314 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: of course we have it's difficult because there are licensing 315 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: agreements that prevent us from posting many of the performances 316 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: that we have. So it actually surprises me a little 317 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: bit because I would think that music would be more 318 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: popular on YouTube than it is. Uh, just going back, 319 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: what is the life span? Obviously these things live on 320 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: YouTube essentially forever. But if you do something, do people 321 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: then watch within twenty four hours or is it a week? 322 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: What you know? What's the wind of the greatest number 323 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: of people watch a clip? Definitely the first twenty four hours. Um, 324 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: it will extend to a few days usually, But then 325 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: what happens, which is interesting is you build this catalog 326 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: of material and people will will come back to that 327 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: material and um bits that you did ten years ago 328 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: and watch that stuff and it gives you a kind 329 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: of a huge viewer base. Okay, do you have any 330 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: idea because the monologues are in the neighborhood at ten minutes, 331 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: do you have any idea what percentage of people who 332 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: start stay for the whole monologue? Um? I don't know. 333 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: I did know at one time. The monologues are usually 334 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: around fourteen minutes, fourteen fifteen minutes. Um, I know that 335 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: they do well when they're long people. I think most 336 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: people tend to watch the whole thing. Okay, now your 337 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: monologue is a little bit don't. Let's start from the beginning. 338 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: You were not a stand up comic before. Maybe we'll 339 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: get to that later. But Johnny used to do his 340 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: monologue and it was almost like it was clear he 341 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: didn't write the jokes, and he'd be laughing at the jokes. Okay, 342 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: and then Letterman made a whole thing of you know, 343 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: the joke doesn't have to be good, etcetera. But you 344 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: have changed the monologue, and you'll have footage and all 345 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: kinds of things within the monologue. It's just that when 346 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: you've even Bill Maher and HBO, he does his five 347 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: to ten minutes. Then we go into the show. Whose 348 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: idea was to change it up like that? Um, it 349 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: wasn't really anyone's idea. Just happened. It's just I wish 350 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: I could say there was some master plan, but it 351 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: when I started the show. First of all, Regis called 352 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: me and he gave me. I said, give me some advice, Regis, 353 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: and he said, well start, how do you know Regis? 354 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: I I you know Regis and I gravitated to each 355 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: other somehow, Um, I've done it. I've done Regis when 356 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: I was hosting The Man Show and oh Regis. I 357 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: know how I know Regis because he liked I was 358 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: on Fox NFL Sunday. I was a prognosticator and Regis 359 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: is a big football fan and he liked me from that. 360 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: And I was actually contested on Who Wants to Be 361 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,239 Speaker 1: a Millionaire long before I had the talk show at 362 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: ABC when Regis was the host, and um, Regis and 363 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: I had a little chemistry. Somehow he got a kick 364 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: out of me, and I out of him. So Regis 365 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: called me and he um. He gave me the advice 366 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: to make the monologue my own. He said, the rest 367 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: of the show is about other people. It's about the guests, 368 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: about the music and whatever you have going on. But 369 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: the monologue that is your time. That's that should be, 370 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: that's yours, and don't forget that. Don't turn it over 371 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: to others. Um, do the monologue. Be the guy who 372 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: does the monologue. And I was like, okay, thanks. What 373 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: My plan when I started was I had nothing written. 374 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: I had no jokes written. The first year and a 375 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: half of the show, I would go in, I'd sit there. 376 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: I didn't even stand up, and I bullshit my way 377 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: through the monologue like it was a radio show. And 378 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: as like as I I became more discriminating, I started 379 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: evaluating the show a bit more closely. I got over 380 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: the like, oh my god, we're just lucky we got 381 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: this show on the air tonight phase of the of 382 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: the job. I started writing more, and I started refining 383 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: well and planning and doing and shooting bits with real content, 384 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: and um uh, these are things that I don't know 385 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: why I wasn't doing them. I looked back on those 386 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: early shows and I go, I thought I was pretty smart. 387 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't. I had no idea what I 388 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: was doing. It was a big mess. Everything was a mess. 389 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: It was just a fucking disaster. It's a miracle that 390 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: we made it to the second year. Okay, so is 391 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: your show the type where you're open to anything someone 392 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: comes in with a wild idea. Do you tend to 393 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: say yes? So you're the kind of guy says no. Um, 394 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: I don't know how to answer that. I know what 395 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: works for our show, and I know what doesn't, and 396 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: I know I've learned over the years that there's always 397 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: this idea when you started talk show. Then I'm gonna 398 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: mix it. I'm not gonna do it the way everybody 399 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: else did, and I'm gonna bit's. I'm gonna revolutionize this 400 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: and and what you wind up doing is something that's 401 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: not a late night talk show. You wind up doing 402 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: something else. And maybe what you're doing is good, but 403 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: it's not. You know, it's like being a baseball player. 404 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 1: In a lot of ways. You still have to have, um, 405 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, ninety ft between the bases and sixty six 406 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: inches to the pitchers mound, and yeah, maybe there's gonna 407 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: be a little bit of variable when it comes to 408 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: where the outfield fences or the shape of the field itself, 409 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: but ultimately you just have to you have to work 410 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: within a box or else you're not doing a late 411 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: night talk show in the same way these morning television shows, 412 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: you know the Today Show, um, you know Good Morning America. 413 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 1: They're kind of doing the same thing but with different people. 414 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: And that is you learn what the viewer wants to 415 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: see at that time, that's what they want to say. 416 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: We've done these big shows where we've had these like 417 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: we had krentin Tarantino direct our show. Once we had um, 418 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: you know all these different we've done, these unusual bits 419 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: were like I'd get on a bus and do the 420 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: show from the bus for the whole night, and you know, 421 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: all these crazy stuff that took a huge amount of work, 422 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: and it always rates badly. It's weird. It's like people 423 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: just want to see the show, Like, all right, you 424 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: with your whatever the funk you're doing. I don't know, 425 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: but people want to see you do a monologue and 426 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: then go sit down at the desk and then throw 427 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: it to either a comedian or a band. Okay, you 428 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: have a young family, You're doing a five night a 429 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: week show. To what how do you keep up? I mean, 430 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: how much time do you have to surf the web 431 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: just to get a feel for it on these varying sites. 432 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: To what degree do you have to immerse yourself in 433 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: the world of the people who are the guests, whether 434 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,719 Speaker 1: watch a movie, read a book, whatever. How do you 435 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: manage all that? It's a lot. I you know, my 436 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: schedules basically, I go to the work and go to 437 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: work in the morning, I come home, I get home 438 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: at about six o'clock. The next two hours or for 439 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: the kids, and then the next four hours or for homework. 440 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: So I put the kids to bed, and then I'll 441 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: go through all my emails and all the stuff I 442 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: couldn't get to while I was planning the show. I 443 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: um will if I have a movie I need to 444 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: watch or TV show I need to watch, I'll do that, 445 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: and then um it all starts over again the next day, 446 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: So there's not a there's not a lot of time 447 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: for um me to do anything other than work on 448 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: the next day show. Do you ever just fly blind? Say, man, 449 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: I've been studying too much. I do this so well. 450 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: I can have anybody as a guest. I don't really 451 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: have to prepare. No. Never, I don't never do that. Yeah, never. 452 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: But let's assume it was a test like the Tarantino show. 453 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: Could you do it? I could do it, and some 454 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: of them would be good. Some of them might even 455 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: be better than the way I do it now, but 456 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: some of them would be very bad. And I go 457 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: for consistency, and I don't want to get lazy. And 458 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: I think when you start getting lazy, that's when you 459 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: should stop doing the show. I still want the monologue 460 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: every night. I wanted to be as good as it 461 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: possibly can be given our time constraints and um, the 462 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: constraints of the world. But every night I work on 463 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: it as hard as I can until the moment I 464 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: have to step on the stage, and then I do it. 465 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: And there's times like I'm very good at reading a teleprompter. 466 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: I can you can wake me up in the middle 467 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: of the night, and I could read a teleprompter very well. 468 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: But every night, even though I don't enjoy it, it's 469 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: probably my least favorite part of the day. I go through. 470 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: I read through my script and I committed to as 471 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: much to memory as I possibly can because I know 472 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: that it's gonna make it three better if I do, 473 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: and that three percent makes a huge difference. That's what 474 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: people don't realize. Okay, you grow up in New York 475 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: until like you're nine or ten. What's that about? What's 476 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: that like? UM? Brooklyn typical lower middle class upbringing mill 477 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: basin down at the bottom of Brooklyn, UM an Italian 478 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: Jewish neighborhood, running around with kids, Mets fan um, flipping 479 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: baseball cards, playing stickball in the street. And UM I 480 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: moved when I was in fourth grade. That's when my 481 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: family decided to Okay, you're in New York Okay, you're 482 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 1: going to school. You're good athlete. Um, i'd say intermediate. 483 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: I say, I wouldn't say I was a good athlete, 484 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: but okay, not bad. But you played a lot. You're 485 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: always game to be in the game. How good a 486 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: student were you? Very good student? That's very good student. 487 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: Did everybody else? Did you go to public school or 488 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: Catholic school? Public school? Okay? Did everybody realize that you 489 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: were doing that? Well? Yes, I was. I know it 490 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: sounds like a German. I was always the smartest kid 491 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: in my class. Okay, so you were the smartest kid 492 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: in your class. Did people resent that? No? I was 493 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: also the funniest kid in my class. Okay, would you 494 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: also say you were the most popular kid in your class? No? 495 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: Well yes, um, in the way that I didn't want 496 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: to be not not with girls, for sure, and not 497 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: nobody was. Let's start with New York. You leave it 498 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: here in fourth grade? So girls aren't that big an issue? No, 499 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: they were a big issue. Yeah, I mean they weren't 500 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: an issue, but yeah, there's definitely. I mean I was 501 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: interested in girls from kindergarten on. Okay, wait, how many 502 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: kids in your family? We don't know there's three kids 503 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: in my family, and where are you in the hierarchy? 504 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: You're the only So all the hopes and dreams are you? 505 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: What kind of personality does your have? What did your 506 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: father have at the time? My father is the kind 507 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: of guy that will tell you about his knee operation 508 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: for four hours straight. What if you try to interrupt him, 509 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: he'll he'll get back on. You can't get him off track. 510 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: It's impossible. Okay, does he tell a good story? No? 511 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: Your mother verbal? Nonverbal? My mother was class wit in 512 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: her giant high school in Brooklyn, Madison and very verbal, 513 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: literally never stops talking. Okay, So how didn't work between 514 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: your mother and father? He's telling a long story, she's 515 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: the witch. She's talking. Who can get a worded edgewise? Well, he, 516 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: my dad operates. They just talk simultaneously. And I'm not 517 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: joking at all. Like you can be sitting in between 518 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: them and they're both talking to you, and you look 519 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: to them with you know, a look of amusement at first, 520 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: and going like you can both see that you're both 521 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: talking to me, And I know I have two years, 522 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: but I only have one brain and I can't process 523 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: both of this stuff. But my dad talks at a 524 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: very My dad's like it goes like this, like, so 525 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: your mother, we made a car rental, Uh, we're going 526 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: to Avis and that was a thousand dollars. So then 527 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: I looked, I got my discount from American Spread. And 528 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: then my mother is at full volume talking about something else. 529 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: So it's it's almost I wouldn't say it's harmony. It isn't. 530 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: It's a cacophony, for sure, but they managed to just 531 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: talk at the same time constantly. Okay, and how did 532 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: you deal with this, dude? Were you quiet or did 533 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: you jump into I was pretty quiet. I picked my spots, 534 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: and I really think that's what attracted me to radio, 535 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: is just being just never really being heard in the house. 536 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: Okay and usually Okay, how far a part of the 537 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: other two kids in the family from you. My sisters 538 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: three years younger and my brother is nine years younger, 539 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: well nine years younger. It's like a whole another generation. Okay, 540 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: what's your sister think about all this? About? What about 541 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: my cacophony? And there's no room for anybody? And now 542 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: she comes along, you know, I have to tell you, um, well, 543 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: first of all, just to give you an idea of 544 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: what it was like in my house. Um my sister's 545 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: birth announcement. My wife discovered this as my mother was 546 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: showing her my baby book My sister's birth announcement said, 547 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: and I quote, Jimmy has a sister. And it's not 548 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: the way it really played in the favory. It kind 549 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: of did. Yeah, my my sister was my father's favorite, 550 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: and um my brother. I think yeah, I think it 551 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: was you know, mom with the sons and dad with 552 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: the daughter. Okay, now, somebody who's like the class wit 553 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: usually gets sent to the office this trouble. The parents 554 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: are called in. Not every day, but you don't go unscathed. 555 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: Did that happen with you? Oh? Yes, absolutely, I mean 556 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't so it was, you know what, you put 557 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: yourself in a position when you decided to be the 558 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: I was more of the class clown in the class 559 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: with probably, But when you put yourself in that position, 560 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: you have to be prepared for shrapnel. You're gonna get it. 561 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: I mean, because every once in a while, the teacher's 562 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: gonna get really mad. My favorite teachers were the ones 563 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: that that laughed along with the rest of the class. 564 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: And I had a couple of great ones who you know, 565 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: who really you know in the way, that's your first audience, right. 566 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: So I had these teachers that got a kick out 567 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: of me, and I think part of it was because 568 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: I was such a good student, so they didn't hold 569 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: it against me. But then every once in a while, 570 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: I have a teacher that would just lose their minds. Okay, 571 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: your parents would be called in, since your mother is 572 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: such a wit, what would she say about your behavior? 573 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: I don't think you know. I went to always really 574 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: big public schools, so there wasn't a whole lot of 575 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: parents being called in. Most of the punishment was meted 576 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: out within the confines of the school, like I'd have 577 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: to go sit in the hall, and which is a 578 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: weird punishment. It was like, I'd rather be in the hall. 579 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of punishment this is, but 580 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: uh it was. Uh. My parents didn't get called to 581 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: school a lot. I was always nervous they were gonna 582 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: find out what I was up to. Um, But only 583 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: when I was adulted I realized my mother was probably 584 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: up to the same stuff. Okay, and your father and 585 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: mother were both of them working in Brooklyn, or just 586 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: your father just my father and what was he doing 587 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: at the time he worked for My dad didn't get 588 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: his high school diploma. He he went and got his 589 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: g e D. Okay, couple, wait wait wait wait wait 590 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: before we go there, your father, how many generations in America? 591 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: My father many generations in America. Okay, so it wasn't 592 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: like he was an immigrant dropping out of high school. 593 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: What do his parents think about him dropping out high school? 594 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: You know what they didn't know? I think, um, I 595 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: think my You know, my grandfather on my dad's side 596 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: was an elevator operator for his whole life. That's what 597 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: he did. So the idea that you would you would 598 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: be expected to achieve something that wasn't something. We didn't 599 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: have that in my family. You know. My grandfather on 600 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: my mom's side, who was still like the funniest person 601 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: I've ever met my life, was an upholsterer and a 602 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: film splicer for his whole life. And both my grandmothers 603 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: were moms. They didn't they went home and they cooked 604 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: and did all that stuff. But there wasn't I mean, 605 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: my dad was first of all. Definitely, my dad got 606 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: a g D and then went to like night school 607 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: to get his college degree. He was. Oh, so he 608 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: ended up getting his college degree. He got his college degree. Yes, 609 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: and um, there aren't many college degrees in our family. Okay, 610 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: how about your two siblings? My neither one, none of us, 611 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: none of us have a college degree. Okay, how did 612 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: your parents meet? They met at a bowling alley in Brooklyn. 613 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: Was an instant attraction or what's the legend? I think so? 614 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: I think it was. And they got married very young. 615 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: My my mom was twenty when they got married. My 616 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: dad was twenty two. And when did you come? I 617 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: came when my mom was twenty one. I came, um 618 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: a little over a year after they were married. Okay, 619 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: so your parents come in good front you one day 620 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: say we're moving to Las Vegas. When you're a young kid, 621 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: that's like the worst thing that could ever happen. You're 622 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: leaving all your friends, etcetera. Not really, because my grandparents 623 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: lived there and my cousins lived there. They moved two 624 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: years out of us, so you know, we're it's a 625 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: very tight Italian family. We were, we were excited. I was, 626 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: you know. And also when I was nine years old, 627 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 1: you don't know what's going on. It's like, oh, alright, 628 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: we're moving to Las Vegas, you know, so we'll live there. 629 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: And I had some good friends in Brooklyn, but we 630 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: were kids, is you know, kids move on to other kids. 631 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: Did you stay in touch with him? You ever seen him? Since? 632 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: I do. Actually, there's my best friend as a kid, 633 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 1: as a kid named Paul Kaplan. He's not a kid anymore, 634 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: he's an adult man. He was the craziest kid in 635 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: the class. I was always attracted to the craziest kid 636 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: in the class. He really was a nut, this kid, 637 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: and he still is a nut. In fact, he was 638 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: one of the um bleacher creatures at the Yankees games. 639 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: You know those guys, And it makes perfect sense. And 640 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: of course he's the guy. It's Paul Kaplan. And I 641 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: know he won't mind me telling this story. Got hit 642 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: by lightning in his living room. Who tell this story? 643 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: He could actually look it up and find it in 644 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: the news. Paul was sitting on his couch in Staten 645 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: Island watching a Yankees game and an errant bolt of 646 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: lightning came down his chimney and burnt his couch and 647 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: his hair and his TV and him and everything. And 648 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: whether after effects or like, is he okay? You know, 649 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: it's hard to tell because it seemed like he'd been 650 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: hit by a bolt of lightning before he was hit 651 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: by a bolt of lightning. Okay, you moved to Vegas. 652 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: What is your father do in Vegas? My dad? We 653 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: moved there with no job. So my dad was working 654 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: at Equitable and IBM in New York. He was like 655 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: a computer program when computers were the size of a house. 656 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: And we moved to Vegas and um we my dad 657 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: got a job at a company called Suma Corporation, which 658 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: was owned by Howard Hughes, who was not alive at 659 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: the time, but they owned seven hotels in Las Vegas. 660 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 1: And my dad got a job in management information services, 661 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: which I still don't know exactly what that is, but 662 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: I do know that one of the things that he 663 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 1: was involved in was setting the odds on the slot machines, 664 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: so they were just the slot machines. Whatever the payout is. 665 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: He was involved in that. So what was his viewpoint 666 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: on gambling? What was the mantra in the house? The 667 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 1: gambling was not encouraged. And in fact, my dad made 668 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,879 Speaker 1: a big impression on me, one of the few big 669 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: impressions that he made advice wise, we were walking through 670 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: one of the casinos and he goes, you see this 671 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: beautiful hotel. I said, yeah, he goes, you think they 672 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: built this from people winning? And I went, oh, no, 673 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: I guess not. I haven't read this. Las Vega us 674 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 1: a monument to losers. The whole town wouldn't exist. Okay, 675 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: need let's just say the weather is a little bit 676 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: different in Vegas than it is in Brooklyn. To what 677 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: degree you adjust depressed and so, I mean it is 678 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: really hot there in the degree a hundred and nine, 679 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, it was it's cold in the winter to 680 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: in Vegas it can get pretty cold. In fact, it's 681 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: snowed the first year we moved to Vegas. Um. But 682 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: you know, I was a kid that did whatever. You know, 683 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: whether it's scorching hot or freezing cold, you're out in 684 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: the street playing. Okay, So in the summer, even though 685 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: it's a hundred degrees you were out making mischief very 686 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: much so. And in fact, my partner in that mischief 687 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,919 Speaker 1: is a guy named Clito Escobido. He was he lived 688 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: right across the street from me, and we became best 689 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: friends almost immediately, and he is my band leader on 690 00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: my show Wow amazing connection. You're very loyal guy. So 691 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: you're going to school. You go to public school in Vegas? Yes? 692 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: And or is it the repetition of the same thing. 693 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: You're the best student in the funny of the class clown. Yes. Yes. 694 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: In fact, when I moved to Vegas, I was way 695 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: ahead of the other The kids in Brooklyn were as 696 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: far as public school goes, were quite a bit ahead 697 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: of the students in Las Vegas at that time, So 698 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: I was like a year and a half ahead as 699 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: far as what we're a learning host. Okay, you say 700 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: you've always been interested in girls, So how does that 701 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: start playing out? Um? Uh, it didn't didn't play out. 702 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: I would be quietly interested in them, terribly shy. Um 703 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: never would I. I mean I once that in the 704 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: sixth grade, I asked a girl named Lynn Englestad to 705 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: the dance, and it took every bit of courage I 706 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: had to ask her, and she immediately said yes, and 707 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: she as I recalled, she's a beautiful girl, and I 708 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: just I was so taken by her, and I couldn't 709 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 1: believe she said yes and then went on the day 710 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: of the dance, which was like an after school thing. 711 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: I was two. I was so embarrassed I hid from 712 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: her the whole time. Okay, I understand that. What happened 713 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: the next four years in high school nothing. You got 714 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: married at a very young age. I know that's because 715 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: I thought I'd never have a girlfriend. I was like, 716 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: I better get married to this one. And why did 717 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: that marriage end? Um? She hated me. Yeah, we didn't 718 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: get along. I think was the problem. And so you 719 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: have your first kid at what age? That's a lot 720 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: of responsibility. She turns thirty in August. What's she up to? 721 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: She's an artist. She lives in the Mojave Desert. She 722 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: makes ceramics, and she's doing very well. Wow. And your 723 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: other kid from that marriage is my son. He is 724 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: twenty seven. He is he works on my show. He 725 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: makes funny videos with his friends, and he's interested in 726 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: doing the type of nonsense that I do. How did 727 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: the those both of those kids get along with Molly 728 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: and the younger kids? Oh? Great, they get they get 729 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: a look great. In fact, is our son's fourth birthday 730 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: yesterday and the day before yesterday, and um, it was 731 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: my birthday yesterday. So for a minute there I thought, oh, 732 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what's your birthdate. Ap Okay, this is 733 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 1: one we came, you know what. We were happy that 734 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: he came on the twenty one because you know what 735 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: April is, of course, not just Donor Day, but Hitler's birthday. 736 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: And you don't want that. But uh, just in case 737 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,839 Speaker 1: there is something to astrology, you don't want your kids 738 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: born on Hitler's birthday. But they get along great. I 739 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,439 Speaker 1: mean they I mean they all love each other. And 740 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: to what degree do you have contact with your first wife? Uh? 741 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: Not a ton. We you know, our kids are getting married, 742 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,879 Speaker 1: are olders. Kids are scheduled to get married this year 743 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: and next year. So that has brought us together a bit, 744 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: and we get along now. Fine, it's just when we're 745 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 1: living in the same house, it was hard. And did 746 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: she get remarried. No, she but she has a long 747 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: term partner and she on the payroll. You mean as 748 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 1: far as alimony goes. Yes, yeah, she doesn't want to 749 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: get married. Okay, when someone looks at you're reading my mind, Bob. 750 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: When someone looks at your career, those of us who 751 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 1: were in l A know this ship doesn't happen by accident. 752 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: People are not successful by accident. So it's a personality. 753 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: I mean, my interaction with you have been significant yet limited. 754 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: You're very open, you're very warm, you know the same 755 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: type of thing like me and the girl said, comes 756 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,799 Speaker 1: come down to the show, come hang out. It's like, 757 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's all it was overwhelming. I couldn't go. 758 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 1: But uh, is you know what kind of guy are you? Are? 759 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: You just a guy's guy and you know everybody, and 760 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: therefore opportunities come along. Um. No, I am a very 761 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: hard worker. I am. I always have been, always, I 762 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: mean since I was when I was when I was 763 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: in high school, I worked seventy hours a week. In 764 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 1: addition to going to high school, I worked at a 765 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: pizza place, and I worked at a clothing store. And 766 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: I just, I don't know, I think maybe it's anxiety 767 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 1: or something, but I was always worried about money. When 768 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: I was in radio, I was, you know, really just 769 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: barely making it for a long period of time, ten 770 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: years of really just kind of like going to the 771 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: A T M And hoping that I will have more 772 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: than twenty dollars so I can withdraw to twenty dollars 773 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: to have lunch type of deal. And so that has 774 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: always been with me, and that is you know, that 775 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: makes it hard to turn things down, but you have to, 776 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: you know. But definitely it when you go the first 777 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: like thirty something years of your life and then career 778 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: not having any money at all, it's um it really 779 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,919 Speaker 1: can like your priority. You know this the things that 780 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: you you have to explain to your younger self or 781 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,879 Speaker 1: sometimes difficult. I mean it's you know, they're like, wait, 782 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no to this. It'll take me an hour. 783 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: I can make this much money, and you know, it's 784 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 1: a constant struggle. Okay, but let's talk about musicians. The 785 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: guy whose name is on you know, not Elton John, 786 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: not Rod Stewart, not Drake, but the people who work 787 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: with them, who are actually players, irrelevant of their personalities, 788 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 1: they are unbelievable networkers. They maintain relationships with a lot 789 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: of people because it's all gig work, and they know 790 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: one point they're gonna work a relationship, they're gonna give 791 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: a relationship. Was that at your experience in l A, No, 792 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,359 Speaker 1: not at all. I didn't know anybody, and I never 793 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 1: intended to do anything other than be a radio disc jockey. 794 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 1: I did not think I would be good at at 795 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 1: at and being an actor. I'm still not an actor. 796 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm very aware of that. I did. I just wanted 797 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: to make money. You know. I was on the radio 798 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: and people thought I was funny, and they would call 799 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 1: me and say, hey, do you want to write for this? 800 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: Or would you like to audition for this? And I'd 801 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: be like okay, and then you know, most of them 802 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: went nowhere. But occasionally I would happen upon something that 803 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: was um that worked out, and I had a weird 804 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: you know who Fred Silverman is, right of course, so 805 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: Fred Silverman for those who know, it's the only person 806 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,919 Speaker 1: who ran ABC, NBC and CBS. And this is when 807 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 1: not simultaneously, but simultaneously, but this is when everyone was watching. 808 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: This is you know, the set of these and eighties 809 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: and a titan of the television industry. But now he's 810 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,759 Speaker 1: an old guy and he's mostly retired, but it's got 811 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 1: a production company that keeps them busy. And I get 812 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: a job writing for a game show, so I'd go 813 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 1: do my radio show and then afterwards I spent a 814 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,399 Speaker 1: few hours writing questions and jokes for this game show 815 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 1: they were putting together. Have any idea do you remember 816 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,360 Speaker 1: what you were getting paid? Um? Probably four hundred dollars 817 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: a week something like that, which was great for me, 818 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 1: I mean, which I was excited about. So and I 819 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: meet this guy named Alan Rutcker, who's a great guy 820 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 1: and who wrote U History of White People in America 821 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: with Mark mull and I enjoy hanging around with him. 822 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: So I stay a little longer than I've been planning to, 823 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 1: and I start now hosting the run throughs. They do 824 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: run throughs to work out a game show, and work 825 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: out most every show, well literally a little bit slower 826 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: started writing for the game show. Any writers are there? 827 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,799 Speaker 1: Just me and Alan? Okay, who is doing the run through? 828 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: Before you? No one? There was no show before we 829 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 1: worked it out. Okay, did you say, hey, I'll be 830 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 1: the guy doing the run through or did someone say, hey, 831 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 1: you know, just have him do it. It wasn't either 832 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: of those things. It was we were writing the material 833 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 1: and and then somebody had to read it aloud, and 834 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: so that became me. So I would do this and 835 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: we try to figure out O this and the show 836 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: was terrible. It was not working at all. It made 837 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: no sense. So but they were paying us, and I 838 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,760 Speaker 1: thought I liked Alan, and so I was like, whatever, 839 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: so I would host the run through and then there 840 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,400 Speaker 1: we were gonna they were gonna find a host for 841 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: the show. And in fact, they were interested in getting 842 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,239 Speaker 1: Kevin and Bean, the guys I worked for at k Rock, 843 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 1: to audition. They wanted them to audition separately, and they 844 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 1: were gonna bring in all these hosts that people know well. 845 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,959 Speaker 1: Ll Fred Silverman comes in to see the final run 846 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 1: through and he's I mean, he's great, look and he 847 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,320 Speaker 1: looks like an old TV executive. He's got a glass 848 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: of iced tea in his hand at all that gets 849 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: refilled at all times, and uh, you know, big belly, 850 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: and he's he's dressed immaculately and he sits down and 851 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,399 Speaker 1: we do the run through and Fred says, and I 852 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: swear to god this happened. Fred goes canceled the host auditions. 853 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 1: This kid is the host. Didn't even know what my 854 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 1: name was. Wow, And I was like what. He's like yeah, 855 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:38,959 Speaker 1: um and um it was I was like just to stop. Yeah, 856 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,840 Speaker 1: were you doing stick as the host? I mean I 857 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 1: was walking around okay, and but not with the intention 858 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 1: of being the host. You know, that didn't my mind. 859 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,799 Speaker 1: And in fact, I knew this show was not getting on, 860 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 1: so it wouldn't it didn't even matter. But what happened 861 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 1: was we presented this show to a lot of buyers. 862 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 1: We had a um you know, we had a presentation 863 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,799 Speaker 1: where all these different buyers from these different networks came in, 864 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: and many of them liked me. They didn't had no 865 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 1: interest in the show. But one in particular was Michael Davies, 866 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 1: who went on to produce Who Wants to Be a 867 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 1: Millionaire and who produced a show called Win ben Stein's Money, 868 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 1: which was my first show, and he called me afterwards. 869 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,200 Speaker 1: He's like, I thought you were really funny and I'd 870 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,359 Speaker 1: love to have you come audition for this show When 871 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 1: ben Stein's Money. We were planning to do it with 872 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 1: ben Stein solo, but we feel like we need a sidekick. 873 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 1: And I said, well that sounds funny, that sounds like 874 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 1: a good idea. The game show host plays against the contestants. 875 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,359 Speaker 1: And so I went in and it was great, right, 876 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it really worked. Immediately Ben loved me, I 877 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: loved him, and that was it. I was. Then I 878 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,320 Speaker 1: was the host of a show that one Comedy Central 879 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 1: its first Emmy, I think, and was on every night 880 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,239 Speaker 1: twice a night. Um, you know we were on uh 881 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: just before the daily show, um, every night, and um, 882 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,359 Speaker 1: that's really how it started for me. Okay, how much 883 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,920 Speaker 1: money were you making a k Rock? K Rock I 884 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,240 Speaker 1: was making when I started. I was making fifty dollars 885 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 1: a year. When I left, I was making like and 886 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,600 Speaker 1: how many years were you there? I was there for 887 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,880 Speaker 1: five years. Okay, how did you get that gig? I 888 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,600 Speaker 1: got that gig in a weird way. Guy named Kevin 889 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:31,080 Speaker 1: Weatherly is a great program director. Um was. Everyone at 890 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,680 Speaker 1: k Rock was from Phoenix, Arizona, and that's where I 891 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 1: went to college, and that's where my parents lived for 892 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,880 Speaker 1: a long time. So I would call into this radio station, 893 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,920 Speaker 1: k z z P. You know that station. Actually I 894 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,920 Speaker 1: don't huge in the eighties, I think they had the 895 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 1: biggest market share of almost any radio station in the country, 896 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,680 Speaker 1: A huge HR station, very very popular. And I would 897 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,880 Speaker 1: call into the afternoon guys Mike Elliott and Kent Voss 898 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,040 Speaker 1: and they took a liking to me. And then I 899 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 1: got to know this guy, who is your goal? In calling? 900 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,239 Speaker 1: I just like being on the radio. I was, you know, 901 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,279 Speaker 1: excited to be on the radio. You know, I'd call in. 902 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 1: They tape a bit with me, I do character or 903 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,560 Speaker 1: something like that, and and then okay, well you're going 904 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,759 Speaker 1: to you we're going to University of Arizona. Are you 905 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,759 Speaker 1: studying radio and television? First of all, how dare you 906 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 1: Arizona State University? Whichever? You know? I'm not obviously I'm 907 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,799 Speaker 1: not Arizona Fluid based on I didn't know the station. No, 908 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,759 Speaker 1: I went no, I was not studying uh that I 909 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,839 Speaker 1: was studying English. Okay, And you didn't finish because because 910 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,840 Speaker 1: I got a job as a disc jockey and a 911 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 1: morning as a morning radio disc jockey in Seattle. And 912 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,920 Speaker 1: how long had you been at college. I've been there 913 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,640 Speaker 1: like two and a half years. I went to you 914 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:53,200 Speaker 1: and l V for a year two So you're none 915 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 1: of this is planned. None of this is I gotta 916 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: break my way out of the boonies. I gotta be somebody. 917 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,719 Speaker 1: No not, so you're calling into the station. Continue, I 918 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,240 Speaker 1: called into the station. I actually gave them an idea 919 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,480 Speaker 1: that they used and became a really big deal for them. 920 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,719 Speaker 1: There was we had a governor named ev Meekum who 921 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,279 Speaker 1: was like the first of the great Republican racists that 922 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,719 Speaker 1: made the news. He uh, he was a he got 923 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,400 Speaker 1: elected kind of by accident because there were three people 924 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,920 Speaker 1: on the ballot and the ballot was split. He got elected. 925 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,799 Speaker 1: He one of his first orders of business was to 926 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: do away with Martin Luther King day as a Yeah 927 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,839 Speaker 1: remember that, remember that? Yeah, they were boycotted by and 928 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,160 Speaker 1: so anyway, you remember that song brand new lover by 929 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,239 Speaker 1: dead or Alive? Of course I wrote this brand new 930 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 1: governor while we need as a brand new governor. They 931 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,319 Speaker 1: recorded it and became a big deal. In effect, you 932 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,560 Speaker 1: too asked they heard it when they came to town 933 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,840 Speaker 1: to record Rattle and Hum, and they asked the radio 934 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,640 Speaker 1: station for cop a copy of it, and they played 935 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,759 Speaker 1: it in the sun Devil Stadium before their concert, which 936 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,400 Speaker 1: was like, you know, it's crazy. I was, this is 937 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,279 Speaker 1: you know, I was just a kid, and you know 938 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,359 Speaker 1: that I have this happened. You actually even hear it 939 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,280 Speaker 1: in the background as Bono is sitting by the pool 940 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,920 Speaker 1: um in the Rattle and Hum documentary, and and so 941 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 1: they were like, wow, that was great, and they trusted me, 942 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 1: and I started doing a lot of stuff with them. 943 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 1: And when when did you start getting paid by them? 944 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,360 Speaker 1: I never got paid by them, but one of the guys, 945 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,440 Speaker 1: Kent Voss got a job doing mornings in Seattle and 946 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,440 Speaker 1: took me with him as his producer slash sidekick and 947 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,760 Speaker 1: making how much? And you're married at this point, yes, 948 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 1: but no kids at this point, no kids yet. No, 949 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,560 Speaker 1: but it's not a lot of money. And in fact, 950 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,840 Speaker 1: the general manager told me I'd be making thirty thousand 951 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,239 Speaker 1: dollars a year. And when I got up there, I 952 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 1: looked at my paycheck, the first one I got, and 953 00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,440 Speaker 1: I thought, well, it's doesn't add up right now. It 954 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,480 Speaker 1: seems to add up to exactly twenty thousand dollars a year. 955 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,640 Speaker 1: And I went into his office and I said, hey, 956 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 1: you know, um you told me it was thirty thousand. 957 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,840 Speaker 1: He said, no, I didn't. I said, I even have 958 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,880 Speaker 1: my notes, right, these are the notes I made when 959 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,560 Speaker 1: you call you? And he's like, nope, sorry. I was like, fuck, 960 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 1: what am I gonna do? So then Kent had to 961 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,120 Speaker 1: live with us because we couldn't afford the house that 962 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 1: we'd rented on twenty thousand dollars a year. So Kent said, okay, 963 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,920 Speaker 1: I'll stay with you guys and we'll split the rent. 964 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 1: And that's just how that worked out. Okay, So how 965 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: do you get from there to k ROCK. I got 966 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: from there, we were fired there, moved back in with 967 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,360 Speaker 1: my parents and Phoenix. Finally got a job in Tampa 968 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,800 Speaker 1: at Q one oh five, another huge radio station. UM 969 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,839 Speaker 1: I was the producer and on air character guy. Then 970 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,879 Speaker 1: I got a job. I got fired from that job, 971 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 1: got a job in Palm Springs. I worked there for 972 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,759 Speaker 1: uh eighteen months. I did not get fired. I got 973 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,840 Speaker 1: a in Tucson with one of the guys I worked 974 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,759 Speaker 1: with back at kazy ZP. We worked there for ten 975 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,120 Speaker 1: months and got fired. And then I got a job 976 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,680 Speaker 1: at k Rock through Kevin Weatherly, who was the music 977 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 1: director and van driver in in Phoenix and who I 978 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,880 Speaker 1: met at a wedding in Cleveland and hung out with 979 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,520 Speaker 1: for a few days. And at the end of it 980 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,560 Speaker 1: he was like, you're really funny. I think you'd be 981 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 1: great on Kevin and Bean show. Okay, you get fired 982 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:40,000 Speaker 1: multiple times. Everybody in radio knows that, but Jimmy Kimmel 983 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,160 Speaker 1: gets fired. Does the sky fall or do you say, 984 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,840 Speaker 1: no problem, I'll get another gig. The sky falls and 985 00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:52,400 Speaker 1: falls hard, and and I turned into you remember R 986 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,920 Speaker 1: and R. You know, the of course radio and record 987 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,920 Speaker 1: So that was really the only way to get a 988 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,400 Speaker 1: job unless you knew somebody, and I didn't know anybody 989 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,320 Speaker 1: at all. So every Thursday, R and R will be 990 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,799 Speaker 1: delivered to my house, and the nightmare was when it 991 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,840 Speaker 1: was delayed by a day in the mail and I 992 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,840 Speaker 1: would be waiting out by the mailbox at my parents 993 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,440 Speaker 1: house after we've been fired for that R and R 994 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,320 Speaker 1: to come so I could go through the want ads 995 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,359 Speaker 1: and get those cassettes in the mail immediately, because I know, 996 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,200 Speaker 1: I know that every radio station has a box of 997 00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,680 Speaker 1: cassettes on the floor of the program director's office that 998 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,480 Speaker 1: never get listened to. And we always thought, oh, if 999 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,240 Speaker 1: we can get it there first, maybe they will listen 1000 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,080 Speaker 1: to it first they've placed this ad and hopefully somebody 1001 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,880 Speaker 1: will hear it and hire us. And that was just 1002 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,880 Speaker 1: that's not how it went. We wound up getting a 1003 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,879 Speaker 1: job at Actually, guy Mike Elliott, who we worked with 1004 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,680 Speaker 1: in Phoenix, got a job as the morning man at 1005 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,040 Speaker 1: Q one O five in Tampa and he had them 1006 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,839 Speaker 1: he sent for us basically, so we he got us 1007 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,759 Speaker 1: the jobs there. So it all comes down to who 1008 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,480 Speaker 1: you know. Well, yeah, but for me, it was the 1009 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,600 Speaker 1: same read people over and over again. Hey, it's still 1010 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,160 Speaker 1: the people you knew. So all of a sudden, instead 1011 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,480 Speaker 1: of being behind the mic, you're in front of the camera. 1012 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,399 Speaker 1: That's a big switch. What was going through your head? 1013 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,439 Speaker 1: By the way, I disagree with the it comes down 1014 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:15,960 Speaker 1: to who you know, because you also have to be 1015 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: able to do your job. A lot of people that 1016 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,080 Speaker 1: goes without saying okay, alright, especially when it comes to entertainment. 1017 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,760 Speaker 1: People are lining up to work for free. Okay, But 1018 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,720 Speaker 1: if you're trying to get a job through an ad, 1019 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,200 Speaker 1: odds are you will never get it, never mind their 1020 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,560 Speaker 1: ads where they're never really even gonna hire anybody. So 1021 00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:44,760 Speaker 1: it's ultimately something you know through personal relationship. In my experience, Yeah, 1022 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,680 Speaker 1: I mean when you got to a certain level, like 1023 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 1: you say, k Rock, you get phone calls, you get 1024 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:53,080 Speaker 1: emails out of the blue. Right, that's that's many steps 1025 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,760 Speaker 1: down the road. Yes, it was a lot of steps 1026 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,520 Speaker 1: down the road. So now that you're in front of 1027 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,640 Speaker 1: the camera, does a light bulb go off? And you 1028 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,360 Speaker 1: had to say, wait a second, I see a whole 1029 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,479 Speaker 1: new opportunity that maybe I'm not really a radio guy, 1030 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm a TV guy. Yeah, but not it wasn't a 1031 00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,000 Speaker 1: light bulb so much as it was a uh it 1032 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,040 Speaker 1: was on a dimmer switch, if it was a light bulb, 1033 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:21,080 Speaker 1: because I just kind of really just saw these as 1034 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,840 Speaker 1: opportunities to make a little extra money. When I started 1035 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,360 Speaker 1: wind ben STIGs money. And for the first two seasons, 1036 00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,080 Speaker 1: I made five fifty dollars a show. We won an Emmy, 1037 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,960 Speaker 1: We won an Emmy, and I made five I think, 1038 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,600 Speaker 1: what what's your agents say? Um? He said, You're lucky 1039 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,720 Speaker 1: to have a job. I think the most I ever 1040 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,440 Speaker 1: made was like eleven dollars a show. And keep in mind, like, 1041 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,560 Speaker 1: if you like, if the ratings we had on that 1042 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,400 Speaker 1: show would make it like one of the now, if 1043 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:53,920 Speaker 1: we had those ratings, it would be one of the 1044 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,960 Speaker 1: top ten shows on television. You know, you know, you 1045 00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,000 Speaker 1: look back and you go, oh wow, these networks were 1046 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,440 Speaker 1: really making out because if they can still make money 1047 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,480 Speaker 1: now with the ratings they currently have, who the hell 1048 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,760 Speaker 1: knows how much money they were making back then? A lot? Okay, 1049 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:13,880 Speaker 1: So who represents you now, James baby Doll Dixon. I 1050 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 1: can tell my audience about him, well, he is um. 1051 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,120 Speaker 1: He was described as built Carter as a character right 1052 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:27,160 Speaker 1: out of a Damon Damon Runyan novel. He is. He 1053 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,040 Speaker 1: curses a lot, he smokes a lot. He is the 1054 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:35,440 Speaker 1: Tan beyond belief at all times. He is um a character, 1055 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,919 Speaker 1: the the character of characters. He is a brazen man. 1056 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,720 Speaker 1: He asks for things that no decent person would ever 1057 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,360 Speaker 1: ask for when he comes out to visit. He doesn't 1058 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,840 Speaker 1: stay in a hotel. He stays in my house. We 1059 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,640 Speaker 1: have a guesthouse next to my house. He won't stay 1060 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,440 Speaker 1: in it because he wants to be in the house 1061 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,200 Speaker 1: with us. He smokes in my house even though I've 1062 00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,440 Speaker 1: asked him not to a million times. He litters. He 1063 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:05,040 Speaker 1: is He's the last living human who doesn't know littering 1064 01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,840 Speaker 1: is not a good thing to do. He is just 1065 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,160 Speaker 1: a character. Okay, So how did he become your agent? 1066 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 1: How did you meet him? I met him he was 1067 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,880 Speaker 1: an agent at William Morris. I had a different agent 1068 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,000 Speaker 1: at William Morris, but he was my uh Daniel Kelson, 1069 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,560 Speaker 1: who is the producer of The Man Show. He was 1070 01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,880 Speaker 1: his agent, and so we got to know him and 1071 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,720 Speaker 1: we just got such a kick out of him. We 1072 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,280 Speaker 1: became very close and Um, he's one of my best friends. 1073 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,480 Speaker 1: He really is, and he is a nut. So what's 1074 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,120 Speaker 1: his skill. The key has you keep working with him. 1075 01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:41,720 Speaker 1: His skill is he is a great negotiator, and even 1076 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,680 Speaker 1: though he asks for the moon at all times and 1077 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,880 Speaker 1: then wants them to throw Mars in with it, he 1078 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,680 Speaker 1: everyone loves him, which is flipping the story around. You 1079 01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,120 Speaker 1: give good hang. So that must have helped your career 1080 01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,240 Speaker 1: because the natures, especially when you do filmed entertain Man 1081 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:05,960 Speaker 1: or you know, these shows, there's a lot of hanging around. Yeah, okay, 1082 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,800 Speaker 1: so people just like Fred Silverman, they said this is 1083 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,440 Speaker 1: a good guy to have around. Yea, Fred didn't know 1084 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,240 Speaker 1: me at all. In fact, I'm saying that is the start. 1085 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,840 Speaker 1: And once you start having a job with all these 1086 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, okay, what do we know? You're on wind 1087 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,640 Speaker 1: Benstein's money. Then ultimately you do the Man Show. There's 1088 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,720 Speaker 1: crank anchors and all this other stuff. This doesn't happen 1089 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:34,080 Speaker 1: for most people. Okay. And you're telling me that you're 1090 01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,920 Speaker 1: not really a hustler, that you're not out coming up 1091 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,680 Speaker 1: with gigs, unless you want to say that, I have 1092 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,240 Speaker 1: an inaccurate impression. I am a hustler in the way 1093 01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,720 Speaker 1: that I will sit at my computer or for a 1094 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:51,560 Speaker 1: time my typewriter and work on projects and come up 1095 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:56,080 Speaker 1: with a million ideas and then um some of them. 1096 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I have you see this cabinet behind me, 1097 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,840 Speaker 1: but you can't this. Yeah. Yeah, they can set the podcast, 1098 01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,160 Speaker 1: but I can. I have all my different project There 1099 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,520 Speaker 1: are projects from when I was in high school that 1100 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,480 Speaker 1: I have saved up. And it's funny because you go 1101 01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,360 Speaker 1: back to that stuff sometimes, like you know, somebody wants something. 1102 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,320 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, you know what, I wrote something that 1103 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,760 Speaker 1: might work for this when I was twenty two years old, 1104 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,760 Speaker 1: and then you dig through and you find it and 1105 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,560 Speaker 1: you freshen it up, and uh, suddenly it's new again. 1106 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,560 Speaker 1: Suddenly finally somebody is going to hear it or see it. 1107 01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,760 Speaker 1: And I just work a lot. I've just always been 1108 01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:37,800 Speaker 1: interested in, um, in coming up with a show or 1109 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,400 Speaker 1: cartoon or something. I you know, I just okay, So 1110 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,640 Speaker 1: you're the type of guy we're hanging out, you say, hey, 1111 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,600 Speaker 1: you give you give somebody your script or what your address? 1112 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,640 Speaker 1: You don't want to send you something? No, I wouldn't 1113 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,200 Speaker 1: do that, um, but I might tell you an idea. 1114 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember how I got Crank Anchor sold 1115 01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,400 Speaker 1: to Comedy Central. Was I was at dinner here with 1116 01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,840 Speaker 1: the president of the network at the time, and I 1117 01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,440 Speaker 1: told him I had this. I was like, you know, 1118 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,920 Speaker 1: it would be a great idea if we took crank calls. 1119 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,840 Speaker 1: And at the time I wanted to be Acclaimation show, 1120 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,120 Speaker 1: and later we turned it into puppets, but um, if 1121 01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,000 Speaker 1: we and we made them into a show, and he's like, 1122 01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,480 Speaker 1: that's a great idea. I want to do that. I 1123 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,120 Speaker 1: never really pitched it. I just kind of floated it 1124 01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,880 Speaker 1: out there. Okay, how did the Man Show come to happen? 1125 01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,280 Speaker 1: The Man Show was, Uh. First of all, Adam Carolla 1126 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,920 Speaker 1: and I were characters on Kevin and Bean Show at 1127 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,560 Speaker 1: k Rock, and we were very became very good friends. 1128 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,040 Speaker 1: And uh, he did a character called Mr. Bertram, which 1129 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,600 Speaker 1: was a shop teacher who would use the state He 1130 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,280 Speaker 1: would call in to give messages to his students who 1131 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,360 Speaker 1: were on the way into school. That was the conceit, 1132 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,920 Speaker 1: and he became wildly popular, so popular, in fact, they 1133 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,240 Speaker 1: hired him to do love Line on kay Rock, which 1134 01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,400 Speaker 1: is a syndicated show, and then uh, love Line on MTV. 1135 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,520 Speaker 1: And at the same time, I've been doing when Ben 1136 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,480 Speaker 1: Stein's Money, and I was the sports guy at k 1137 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,840 Speaker 1: Rock and Adam and I would go to lunch every 1138 01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,320 Speaker 1: day and we talked for three hours and it just 1139 01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,960 Speaker 1: eventually occurred to me that we could probably put that 1140 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,160 Speaker 1: time better to better use by working on a show together. 1141 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,800 Speaker 1: So we started talking about doing a radio show together, 1142 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,040 Speaker 1: which is our initial idea. We wanted to do afternoons 1143 01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:29,360 Speaker 1: at UM at the local FM talk station, but they 1144 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:34,720 Speaker 1: weren't interested in us doing that. Weirdly, Comedy Central was. 1145 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,480 Speaker 1: In fact, we sold the Manchow to ABC through that 1146 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,120 Speaker 1: same guy, Michael Davies, who hired me for when ben 1147 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,240 Speaker 1: Stein's money. I told him the idea, I said, what 1148 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,280 Speaker 1: about if what if we did a show for guys? 1149 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,160 Speaker 1: Um Oprah was super popular at the time, the shows 1150 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,600 Speaker 1: only for men, and we tell women they're not allowed 1151 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,680 Speaker 1: to watch it. And he's like, I like that idea, 1152 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,760 Speaker 1: and he pitched it to ABC and they bought a pilot. 1153 01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,480 Speaker 1: We went and pitched it and ABC made a pilot, 1154 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,360 Speaker 1: which one they saw it, they were like, oh no, 1155 01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,880 Speaker 1: we're never we will never put anything like this on 1156 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,040 Speaker 1: our air waves. But a lot of other networks like 1157 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:11,760 Speaker 1: Facts and Comedy Central made offers. Once the tape started 1158 01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,800 Speaker 1: to circulate around UH to what degree would you be 1159 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,760 Speaker 1: able to do that show today. I think you would 1160 01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,520 Speaker 1: be able to do it, but you wouldn't be able 1161 01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,720 Speaker 1: to get sponsors for it. I think it would be 1162 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:27,880 Speaker 1: very popular, but with there would be no commercials. And 1163 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,720 Speaker 1: to what degree are you talking with Adam Carolla at 1164 01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,400 Speaker 1: this point? Always? You know, we're like brothers. We you know, 1165 01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,880 Speaker 1: we don't talk a lot on the phone, but we 1166 01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,280 Speaker 1: love each other, and um, you know we check in. 1167 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,960 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we texted, okay. But the reason I asked 1168 01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:49,280 Speaker 1: this is his politics are pretty to the right left. 1169 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:54,280 Speaker 1: Well yes, um, uh, mine are definitely to the left 1170 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,320 Speaker 1: and they always have been my whole life. Um, but 1171 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,840 Speaker 1: his politics, I think are better described as all over 1172 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:07,040 Speaker 1: the place. But the only exposure he gets is from 1173 01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:12,160 Speaker 1: the right. So you'll see him on Fox News screaming 1174 01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,960 Speaker 1: about nonsense, and um, that's because they're the ones that 1175 01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,200 Speaker 1: put him on. If other people put him on, you 1176 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,120 Speaker 1: might hear some of his other opinions, which are pretty liberal. 1177 01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,840 Speaker 1: Are you know he's gotten socially? Uh, he's the guy's 1178 01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,600 Speaker 1: is pretty liberal. But yeah, he's definitely moved in that 1179 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,600 Speaker 1: direction much more now than he was in the past, 1180 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,440 Speaker 1: and it has an affected your relationship I don't love it. 1181 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,680 Speaker 1: I don't love it, but I love him. Okay, So 1182 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,000 Speaker 1: he was on keless x I was on that station, 1183 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,520 Speaker 1: and then the station flipped format and he went to 1184 01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:51,640 Speaker 1: a podcast. He was very early on that. But needs 1185 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,840 Speaker 1: to say, there's so many other people in that sphere 1186 01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,040 Speaker 1: at this point in time, and therefore he has been 1187 01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:01,680 Speaker 1: somewhat marginalized, as has everybody this Internet era. There's so 1188 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,400 Speaker 1: much input. Do you think there's a chance to bring 1189 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,960 Speaker 1: him back to a wider audience And did you ever 1190 01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,920 Speaker 1: think about working or with him or having him come 1191 01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,200 Speaker 1: on your show? Well, he's you know, he's been on 1192 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,400 Speaker 1: my show. I didn't mean as a guest. I didn't 1193 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,200 Speaker 1: state that. Well, oh, um no, I mean I don't 1194 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,880 Speaker 1: really bring anybody on my show. And it's just me 1195 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,000 Speaker 1: and Dillermo standing in the corner really and occasionally my 1196 01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:30,000 Speaker 1: cousin Sal does something. And Adams really carved out a 1197 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,480 Speaker 1: nice situation for himself because he doesn't have a boss 1198 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:37,240 Speaker 1: and he doesn't have to worry about the things that 1199 01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people have to worry about, and he 1200 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:44,720 Speaker 1: seems to attract a number of sponsors who are comfortable 1201 01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,640 Speaker 1: with the content, and he's got his own world that 1202 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,480 Speaker 1: he's created. I mean, he really has his own world. 1203 01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,320 Speaker 1: He's got all his race cars in this warehouse and 1204 01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,960 Speaker 1: he does his podcast from there, and he seems pretty 1205 01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:02,080 Speaker 1: happy with it. Okay, let's jumped forward for those who 1206 01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,000 Speaker 1: were not students. What year do you start hosting the 1207 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:09,160 Speaker 1: late night program? I started two thousand three. Okay, this 1208 01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:13,800 Speaker 1: is important because the landscape is completely different then. Okay, 1209 01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,240 Speaker 1: you know we have Letterman, we have Leno. Letterman is 1210 01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,479 Speaker 1: beating Leno until all of a sudden he hosts the 1211 01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,720 Speaker 1: Oscars and that hurts his ratings because people see him. 1212 01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,120 Speaker 1: Timeline is a little off, but he was hosting late night. 1213 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:34,479 Speaker 1: When he did did the Oscars, Letterman, Leonar Leno and 1214 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:39,479 Speaker 1: he just want just get the Uh. Dave was on 1215 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,840 Speaker 1: it twelve thirty and then he went to one. He 1216 01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:48,640 Speaker 1: went to eleven thirty. Uh ninety two was it? Um? 1217 01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,800 Speaker 1: It was yeah, right around there, and then he did 1218 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:57,280 Speaker 1: the Oscars like nine, three, four or five. Um, gosh, 1219 01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,040 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what. Okay, So continue, continue to 1220 01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:04,720 Speaker 1: your narrative. When I when I when I went on 1221 01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,960 Speaker 1: the air, I was on at midnight actually twelve o 1222 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:11,680 Speaker 1: five and Dave and j were on, and then I 1223 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:16,320 Speaker 1: think Craig Kilbourne was on A twelve thirty and Conan 1224 01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,920 Speaker 1: was on A twelve thirty. I guess what I was saying, 1225 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,200 Speaker 1: and it wasn't making the point clearly that you have 1226 01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:26,400 Speaker 1: these two institutions. Okay, Letterman in Leno and to a degree, 1227 01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:31,720 Speaker 1: everybody's fighting for scraps. Then Dave says he's gonna call 1228 01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:36,000 Speaker 1: it the day this were already in the j went 1229 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,880 Speaker 1: to ten, then came back to eleven thirty, and they 1230 01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,320 Speaker 1: announced at the Olympics that for the Olympics they're gonna 1231 01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,559 Speaker 1: blow him out and they're gonna bring Jimmy in. So 1232 01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's a whole new landscape. And 1233 01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,320 Speaker 1: you have been there chugging along, but you weren't Letterman 1234 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,559 Speaker 1: or Leno but building your audience. What did one went 1235 01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,400 Speaker 1: through your mind when all of a sudden you say, 1236 01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:04,639 Speaker 1: wait a second, they're rejiggering the whole landscape here. Well, 1237 01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:12,280 Speaker 1: they definitely My show definitely played some role in them 1238 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,000 Speaker 1: replacing Jay with Jimmy, and Jimmy show much more so. 1239 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,160 Speaker 1: Obviously he was doing very well at twelve thirty, but 1240 01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:24,200 Speaker 1: I was gaining on Jay, and they got nervous. Now, 1241 01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:28,960 Speaker 1: unlike Howard you have interacted with Jay. He famously got 1242 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,360 Speaker 1: into it with him on Squeen. Do you ever see 1243 01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:35,240 Speaker 1: Jay anymore? Ever talked to him every once in a while, 1244 01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,759 Speaker 1: you know, I've kind of I used to. It's funny, 1245 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,839 Speaker 1: I I this grudge I had against Jay Leno really 1246 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,160 Speaker 1: was not about me. It was about Dave and the 1247 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,559 Speaker 1: fact that I thought Dave deserved the Tonight show. And 1248 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,880 Speaker 1: and you know, if you read any account of how 1249 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,000 Speaker 1: Jay got it, it's just a little bit sneaky. And 1250 01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,439 Speaker 1: so I always just had that in my in my head. 1251 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,639 Speaker 1: And now, you know, especially since Dave has like done 1252 01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,760 Speaker 1: some stuff with Jay, and I was like, why am 1253 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,599 Speaker 1: I still fighting this war? So Jay has been very 1254 01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:12,240 Speaker 1: nice to me. He's uh, he's he he is. Um. 1255 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,760 Speaker 1: He called me when my son had his heart surgery, 1256 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,639 Speaker 1: and he's done some nice stuff for charity for somebody 1257 01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,040 Speaker 1: that is important to me. And uh, we've we we 1258 01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,320 Speaker 1: don't have that. We're not friends, but we don't have 1259 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:30,599 Speaker 1: that um negativity between us anymore. Okay, let's go back 1260 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:35,559 Speaker 1: to that point where you're making headway on his ratings. 1261 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,120 Speaker 1: Are you fully aware of that and are you driving 1262 01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,280 Speaker 1: and and are you saying, man, we are on a role. 1263 01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,120 Speaker 1: How do we keep this role going? Yeah, we're just saying, hey, 1264 01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:45,760 Speaker 1: first of all, you guys have to put us on 1265 01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,840 Speaker 1: at eleven thirty. You know, we want to be on 1266 01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,840 Speaker 1: at eleven thirty so we can really compete with these 1267 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:55,360 Speaker 1: other shows. And they took him a very long time 1268 01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:59,840 Speaker 1: to come to that decision, but they did. To what 1269 01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,519 Speaker 1: degree was the show different from when you went on 1270 01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,799 Speaker 1: at twelve oh five. I'm not talking about Letterman changing 1271 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,240 Speaker 1: the show, which I thought was a mistake for the 1272 01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,120 Speaker 1: earlier I like when he were the boxing shoes and 1273 01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,240 Speaker 1: you know, didn't wear the suits. But I'm talking about 1274 01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,479 Speaker 1: how much did you learn along the way, such a 1275 01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:20,400 Speaker 1: when you hit you were really ready. Um. I don't 1276 01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,639 Speaker 1: know that I was ready, but I thought I was ready. 1277 01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,640 Speaker 1: I you know, you you do get better at this 1278 01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,599 Speaker 1: as it goes on, and um, you know that's why 1279 01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,439 Speaker 1: it is so unfair to judge someone based on their 1280 01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,080 Speaker 1: first show or first week of shows, because it's it 1281 01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,280 Speaker 1: bears no resemblance to what they do years later. But 1282 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,720 Speaker 1: I felt I was ready and I really wanted to 1283 01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:43,760 Speaker 1: and I could see that, you know, Dave and Jay 1284 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,280 Speaker 1: were getting older and they weren't gonna be on forever, 1285 01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,679 Speaker 1: and I wanted to establish a foothold at that spot 1286 01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:54,360 Speaker 1: before the next shows came in. You know, that's that 1287 01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,559 Speaker 1: was what we wanted. And um it took a lot 1288 01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:02,800 Speaker 1: of convincing to get them there. Okay, So Jimmy comes on, 1289 01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,200 Speaker 1: what do we know? Johnny did a show that was 1290 01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,600 Speaker 1: really a talk show. Dave really did a show that 1291 01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,639 Speaker 1: was a comedy show, completely changed the landscape of late 1292 01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:17,880 Speaker 1: night television. Jimmy comes on. He is great at skits, 1293 01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,400 Speaker 1: not a great interviewer. What do you think of Fallon 1294 01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,320 Speaker 1: as competition at the time, and it comes out to 1295 01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:32,240 Speaker 1: great ratings. Listen, it was like if for a time 1296 01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,160 Speaker 1: it felt like you were in the corner of the 1297 01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:39,320 Speaker 1: ring being pummeled. It was just like the ratings that 1298 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:44,040 Speaker 1: he was getting for a long period of time or astronomical. 1299 01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,679 Speaker 1: They were like, what what is going on? And they 1300 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,320 Speaker 1: were putting on home run viral bit after home run 1301 01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,479 Speaker 1: viral bit, and it was really like he almost had 1302 01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,880 Speaker 1: to just like rope a dope it and just try 1303 01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:01,040 Speaker 1: to wait it out because there was no other choice. 1304 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:06,080 Speaker 1: It really became a phenomenon beyond late night television. What 1305 01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,599 Speaker 1: did you think about Colbert getting the gig? I think 1306 01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,880 Speaker 1: that was absolutely the right choice. I was always a 1307 01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,599 Speaker 1: big fan of his. Always I thought it wouldn't work, 1308 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,400 Speaker 1: and of course it didn't work at first, and then 1309 01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,479 Speaker 1: he changed some of the people working with him, and 1310 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:28,000 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden Trump gets elected and Colbert 1311 01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:34,479 Speaker 1: starts talking politics and Fallon is a man out of time. 1312 01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:40,240 Speaker 1: It definitely, it was definitely well. I don't think any 1313 01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,879 Speaker 1: of us would describe that as a positive turn of events. 1314 01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,560 Speaker 1: You know. I think if you gave Stephen the choice 1315 01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:51,280 Speaker 1: between No Trump and his show, Finding It's It's Mark, 1316 01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,720 Speaker 1: I think he would go for no Trump. But yeah, 1317 01:14:54,800 --> 01:15:00,160 Speaker 1: definitely changed what t late night television was for and 1318 01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:04,879 Speaker 1: what it was about. It. It definitely made the trivial 1319 01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:10,880 Speaker 1: seemed trivial, whereas before that it was all trivial. Okay, 1320 01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:15,120 Speaker 1: Now you evolved to the point where you're making news 1321 01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,479 Speaker 1: for your political stance. Needles to say, it is to 1322 01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:23,920 Speaker 1: the left, and anybody in the public eye knows that 1323 01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,280 Speaker 1: if you do that, there are people who will relentlessly 1324 01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,880 Speaker 1: usually the same people attack you, if for no other reason, 1325 01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:35,240 Speaker 1: telling you your stay out of this lane. So what 1326 01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,400 Speaker 1: were the decisions to go in that area and to 1327 01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,479 Speaker 1: what degree? With our stones and you know, slings and 1328 01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,720 Speaker 1: arrows thrown at you, there was no decision made. It 1329 01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:49,320 Speaker 1: was so plainly obvious that we couldn't ignore what was 1330 01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,120 Speaker 1: going on, and that what the things that I said 1331 01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:58,040 Speaker 1: had to be said. And I knew that I knew 1332 01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,519 Speaker 1: what I know my audience, I mean, you know, I 1333 01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,439 Speaker 1: came from the Man Show. My audience was the most 1334 01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:10,320 Speaker 1: republican audience of any show on late night. And but 1335 01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:16,320 Speaker 1: sometimes circumstances dictate, uh, what you are going to do, 1336 01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,439 Speaker 1: and in this case, they very much did. And I 1337 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:23,200 Speaker 1: knew that it was going to split my audience in 1338 01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:27,320 Speaker 1: less than half. But what else? What am I gonna do? 1339 01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,840 Speaker 1: Ignore what this maniac is doing to our country? I mean, 1340 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,280 Speaker 1: it's it's It was not even an option. And there 1341 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,880 Speaker 1: was a time where ABC was uncomfortable with it, and 1342 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:42,120 Speaker 1: they gently a couple of times tried to get me stop, 1343 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,439 Speaker 1: and um, you know, I remember a conversation I had 1344 01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,519 Speaker 1: with UM, with someone who was running the network at 1345 01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,160 Speaker 1: the time. I was like, hey, listen, Um, you know, 1346 01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,640 Speaker 1: I get it. I understand where you're coming from. I 1347 01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,320 Speaker 1: know you want to get the biggest number possible. But 1348 01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,240 Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do. So let's just be 1349 01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,920 Speaker 1: honest and if if this is not acceptable to you, 1350 01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:09,000 Speaker 1: I understand that, but I'm going to go I'm going 1351 01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:13,080 Speaker 1: to keep doing this. So, UM, I just want to 1352 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,000 Speaker 1: be honest with you, be upfront, and then I'm not 1353 01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,720 Speaker 1: gonna pull punches. I'm not gonna reel it in. This 1354 01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,880 Speaker 1: is how it's gonna be. I get it if you 1355 01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,320 Speaker 1: don't want me on your air anymore, but this is 1356 01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,280 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do on your air every night. To 1357 01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:31,880 Speaker 1: what were your active politically prior to Trump selection? Um, 1358 01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:36,479 Speaker 1: most of my activity was related to charity. I wasn't, 1359 01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:40,040 Speaker 1: but I was. I've always been interested in politics. I 1360 01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:44,439 Speaker 1: have always been a Democrat. My parents are very liberal. 1361 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,080 Speaker 1: Of course, that's where I got it, I'm sure, and 1362 01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:52,200 Speaker 1: I've always been. But I've never donated to a candidate 1363 01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,479 Speaker 1: or anything like that. Um. You know, I always felt 1364 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,240 Speaker 1: strongly about who I was voting for, but I I 1365 01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:05,120 Speaker 1: never had actually done anything other than vote. So you're 1366 01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,519 Speaker 1: doing the show. You have writers, What do the writers 1367 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:14,160 Speaker 1: provide and what do you provide? Well? Um, every day 1368 01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:18,479 Speaker 1: I get like thirty pages of material email to me. 1369 01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,040 Speaker 1: I go through all of it and I pick what 1370 01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:25,240 Speaker 1: I want to use, and then um as the day 1371 01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:29,800 Speaker 1: goes on. I have a writer named Josh who sits 1372 01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,560 Speaker 1: next to me, and he will put together a monologue 1373 01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,560 Speaker 1: and I will follow closely behind him, editing the monologue 1374 01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,240 Speaker 1: as we go, so I'm like a paragraph behind him 1375 01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:43,040 Speaker 1: at all times. And I do a great deal of writing. 1376 01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:47,640 Speaker 1: There are sometimes where I use a lot of the 1377 01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,280 Speaker 1: writer's material, and there's sometimes where I go, Okay, I 1378 01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,439 Speaker 1: just this is something I need to just write on 1379 01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,880 Speaker 1: my own. When it comes to personal experiences or when 1380 01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,840 Speaker 1: it comes to serious subjects, generally I will do that 1381 01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,559 Speaker 1: sort of thing myself. Okay. You reach seven figures of 1382 01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,559 Speaker 1: people every night, and compared to other outlets, that's a 1383 01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:12,440 Speaker 1: very significant number. But it is less of the audience 1384 01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,919 Speaker 1: than it was in the pre internet era. As we talked, 1385 01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,960 Speaker 1: to what degree does this frustrate you, I say, it's not. 1386 01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,800 Speaker 1: You're not the only one. Everybody in the landscape. The 1387 01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:28,800 Speaker 1: only person who had universal mind share was Trump himself. Okay, 1388 01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,599 Speaker 1: but whereas you know, when I went to high school, 1389 01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,280 Speaker 1: everybody went in on Tuesday and talked about what was 1390 01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,600 Speaker 1: on laughing. We don't all we're not even all on 1391 01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:41,040 Speaker 1: the same page. So someone who is making content on 1392 01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:47,000 Speaker 1: a regular basis, servicing a base audience is your goal. Well, 1393 01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,880 Speaker 1: how do I grow my audience or how do I 1394 01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,800 Speaker 1: do something so special that it goes above the fray 1395 01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:58,040 Speaker 1: and it gets noticed. I always just I'm a niche performer. Inherently, 1396 01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,240 Speaker 1: I've always been that. I was. I was the third 1397 01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:05,080 Speaker 1: banana on the radio show here in l A. Some 1398 01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:08,320 Speaker 1: might even consider me the fourth banana after Mr Burcham 1399 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:12,920 Speaker 1: I was. I did a very um niche game show 1400 01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,640 Speaker 1: on Comedy Central. I did a show that was, you know, 1401 01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,200 Speaker 1: just for men on a cable channel, and I was 1402 01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,400 Speaker 1: on Probably the most mainstream thing I've I've ever done 1403 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:26,000 Speaker 1: is making football picks on Fox on Sunday Morning. So 1404 01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:31,040 Speaker 1: I've never felt like I should be reaching a huge audience. 1405 01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:35,240 Speaker 1: I've always been happy with the audience that I that 1406 01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:39,280 Speaker 1: I get. Um yeah, and but really most of my 1407 01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,799 Speaker 1: effort goes into how can we make this as funny 1408 01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:46,720 Speaker 1: as possible? Is never about like how do we you 1409 01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:48,519 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Of course, I'll look at you know, 1410 01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:52,240 Speaker 1: if the ABC promo department has ideas, I'll be like, oh, yeah, 1411 01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:56,280 Speaker 1: maybe we could do this, But it's never about It's 1412 01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,519 Speaker 1: never if you. I think if you focus on that, 1413 01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,960 Speaker 1: you fail. I just you know, I think like if 1414 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:02,880 Speaker 1: you think about I know you talk a lot about 1415 01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,000 Speaker 1: musicians and making a record, I think if you sit 1416 01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,200 Speaker 1: down and try to make a hit record, you're already 1417 01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,320 Speaker 1: on the wrong track. I you know, I mean, I 1418 01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:15,400 Speaker 1: know it works out sometimes, but you know that's that's 1419 01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:19,080 Speaker 1: not how you should do it. That's a longer discussion, 1420 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:22,840 Speaker 1: and I agree with you conceptually. But moving on about you, Yeah, 1421 01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,880 Speaker 1: you're a niche performer who ends up hosting the Oscars, 1422 01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:31,320 Speaker 1: doing a better job that anyone has done at least 1423 01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:36,759 Speaker 1: in decades. It is acknowledged you do it again. So yes, 1424 01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:42,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you do float above the fray. Yeah, 1425 01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:46,120 Speaker 1: and but that doesn't mean I'm not still a niche 1426 01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:51,000 Speaker 1: performer at heart. And uh, you know, I'm not your 1427 01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,639 Speaker 1: classic television host by any stretch of the imagination. I've 1428 01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,639 Speaker 1: got a New York accent, I'm not particularly handsome, I'm 1429 01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,559 Speaker 1: not necessarily I'm not the guy that would walk in 1430 01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:06,040 Speaker 1: an audition for a job and nail it. I'm somebody 1431 01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,120 Speaker 1: that kind of grows on you, I think, and who 1432 01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,960 Speaker 1: tries to be for me? I just try to I 1433 01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,000 Speaker 1: feel like and I always felt like this when I 1434 01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,599 Speaker 1: was on the radio. It's not about hitting a home 1435 01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:21,600 Speaker 1: run today, it's about hitting a double every day for 1436 01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,720 Speaker 1: years in a row. And that's and if I can 1437 01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,760 Speaker 1: do that, I'm happy. Okay, that may be your perspective, 1438 01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,640 Speaker 1: but you are literally the face of ABC. You do 1439 01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,559 Speaker 1: the upfronts, never mind their big events. I can't talk 1440 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,800 Speaker 1: about an equivalent face of the other major networks. But 1441 01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:43,280 Speaker 1: think about this though, Bob. Yes, maybe I am. I 1442 01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,559 Speaker 1: guess maybe one of the more prominent personalities, and maybe 1443 01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:51,320 Speaker 1: I'm the face of ABC. But ABC isn't isn't what 1444 01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,880 Speaker 1: ABC was when we were young, you know. I mean 1445 01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:57,040 Speaker 1: we think still think of it everything you're saying. But 1446 01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:00,360 Speaker 1: let me dive to my ultimate point here. Okay, when 1447 01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:05,480 Speaker 1: you talk about important subjects on your show, there's inherently 1448 01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,920 Speaker 1: influence there. I can't tell you how many people turn 1449 01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:13,160 Speaker 1: into your show or already agree with you, or disagree 1450 01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,400 Speaker 1: with to tune you out, whatever, but it's influence. We 1451 01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,639 Speaker 1: have seen this with Fox News. There is power there 1452 01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,840 Speaker 1: and I'm sure if you sit in your office having 1453 01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,640 Speaker 1: a right. There's occasionally something so heinous they just have 1454 01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,679 Speaker 1: to talk about it. But most of the time you're 1455 01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:33,640 Speaker 1: saying I feel this, and this needs to be amplified, 1456 01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,280 Speaker 1: and there's influence in there, and you have a much 1457 01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,160 Speaker 1: larger audience than everybody. It's like in the New York 1458 01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:42,920 Speaker 1: Times yesterday they talked about these anti protester laws being 1459 01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,559 Speaker 1: passed in different states, such it, if you hit a 1460 01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,960 Speaker 1: protester in the street with your car, you can't be 1461 01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:53,760 Speaker 1: held liable. Okay, I mean that's just insane. I don't 1462 01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:57,120 Speaker 1: it was in the New York Times. I think the 1463 01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,720 Speaker 1: more people know about that, the better it is. You 1464 01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:05,120 Speaker 1: have a much bigger platform than almost anybody. Yes, everybody's 1465 01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:10,400 Speaker 1: platform is smaller than it used to be. But saying that, 1466 01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,759 Speaker 1: you were very high in the network that still exists 1467 01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:18,040 Speaker 1: in the in the hierarchy, and to sort of what 1468 01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,120 Speaker 1: degree do you say I have a certain power and 1469 01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,200 Speaker 1: I have a certain responsibility. Not only that I think 1470 01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:29,120 Speaker 1: I can influence people. Um, I know I agree with 1471 01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:30,800 Speaker 1: all of that. I mean I do, yes, I do 1472 01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:35,360 Speaker 1: have a certain amount of influence power whatever, how whatever 1473 01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,759 Speaker 1: you want to call it. Um, I know this based 1474 01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:42,839 Speaker 1: on my own experiences. I know this based on listening 1475 01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,160 Speaker 1: to Bruce Springsteen when I was a kid, and that 1476 01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:51,960 Speaker 1: helping to shape my worldview how I I think about politics, 1477 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:55,280 Speaker 1: how I think about You know, you're a kid who 1478 01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,800 Speaker 1: graduates high school in n you don't know a lot 1479 01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:03,720 Speaker 1: about Vietnam um. And then you hear you hear, you know, 1480 01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,760 Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen sing Born in the USA, and you think 1481 01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:13,439 Speaker 1: it's a Rara America song. And then you realize like, oh, okay, 1482 01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,439 Speaker 1: well that isn't what it is, and oh wow, that 1483 01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know that stuff, and and uh, you know, 1484 01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:24,519 Speaker 1: you're influenced by it and influenced in not just as 1485 01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,479 Speaker 1: when it comes to important things and unimportant things, and 1486 01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:34,000 Speaker 1: so um, I just try to say what I believe. 1487 01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:37,800 Speaker 1: I remember this reporter wrote something as guy he's still 1488 01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,559 Speaker 1: a popular guy, and he's he was a nice guy. 1489 01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:44,200 Speaker 1: But he wrote something about a friend of mine, Carson Daley, 1490 01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,479 Speaker 1: and he wrote something about him being a douche. And 1491 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:50,679 Speaker 1: I was upset because we'd had a dinner and Carson 1492 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,479 Speaker 1: was there, and I called him and I said, Hey, 1493 01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,519 Speaker 1: do you think Carson is a douche? And he said, no, 1494 01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that I said, well, why did you 1495 01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:02,840 Speaker 1: write that, he goes I don't know. I guess I 1496 01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:06,360 Speaker 1: don't know it worked because everybody at that time was saying, 1497 01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,240 Speaker 1: you know, his image was like that he was some 1498 01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,800 Speaker 1: kind of a douche. And I remember just I said, 1499 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,880 Speaker 1: you know, maybe when you're writing, I don't know if 1500 01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,280 Speaker 1: you want to take any advice from me. Only say 1501 01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:19,679 Speaker 1: things you mean, and you know it's hard to stick 1502 01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:23,800 Speaker 1: to that, but I try to. Okay, but let's what 1503 01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,479 Speaker 1: degree do you believe that you have influence. I know 1504 01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,759 Speaker 1: I have influence, I just don't have a real measure 1505 01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,520 Speaker 1: of it. And I think sometimes I have more influenced 1506 01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:37,120 Speaker 1: than others. I think, and if there is anything important 1507 01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:41,000 Speaker 1: that we're doing on late night television, it's reminding people 1508 01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,880 Speaker 1: that what was going on was crazy, because I think 1509 01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,360 Speaker 1: it would be maybe easy to forget that, especially if 1510 01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,599 Speaker 1: you're not somebody who is really connected to the news. 1511 01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I know so many people you think it's 1512 01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,320 Speaker 1: the biggest story in the world. They don't know anything 1513 01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,439 Speaker 1: about it. You know, smart people, people who you know 1514 01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,360 Speaker 1: are have big careers and whatever, but they just don't 1515 01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,880 Speaker 1: pay attention. I think what we offer is um maybe 1516 01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:06,360 Speaker 1: information it's um like when you when you give a 1517 01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,360 Speaker 1: dog a pill, you know you put some you put 1518 01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:12,800 Speaker 1: some peanut butter on it. Okay, talking about something really important, 1519 01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:17,200 Speaker 1: your weight. You went on late night TV. You became 1520 01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,800 Speaker 1: very thin, thinner than you were before. Everybody has been 1521 01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,400 Speaker 1: on TV knows two things. Yes, the camera does add weight, 1522 01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,600 Speaker 1: and no one likes how they look on television. So 1523 01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:31,160 Speaker 1: to what degree were you conscious of your weight? And 1524 01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,880 Speaker 1: to what degree are you conscious now and watching what 1525 01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:38,360 Speaker 1: you eat and exercising, etcetera. Yeah, I mean I'm conscious 1526 01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,639 Speaker 1: of what I eat and exercising. I just don't actually 1527 01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,400 Speaker 1: do I don't do the things that I need to do. 1528 01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:49,599 Speaker 1: I um, I am an extreme person. I like when 1529 01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:54,160 Speaker 1: I lost weight, and I've been pretty heavy for like 1530 01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,720 Speaker 1: ten years on on the show. When I decided to 1531 01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,840 Speaker 1: lose weight, it was almost like a game. It was 1532 01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,240 Speaker 1: almost like, well, let's see if I can do this. 1533 01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,080 Speaker 1: And it's just starved myself for like six weeks and 1534 01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,360 Speaker 1: that's how I got my weight down. And it wasn't 1535 01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:11,680 Speaker 1: any It wasn't healthy, that's for sure, but it is 1536 01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:15,599 Speaker 1: I have to say probably the great my biggest daily 1537 01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:20,880 Speaker 1: shruggle is that because I love to eat and um, 1538 01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, I'm come home sometimes and make dinner for 1539 01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,000 Speaker 1: the family and then I just sit there and watch 1540 01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:29,240 Speaker 1: them eat it. And it's terrible. If there's one thing 1541 01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,280 Speaker 1: I could buy, it would be the ability to eat 1542 01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,000 Speaker 1: anything I want. That would be the you know, that 1543 01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,559 Speaker 1: would be better than any house or car or anything. 1544 01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:43,439 Speaker 1: And what do we do? The The exercise? Um, to the 1545 01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:47,679 Speaker 1: degree of zero. I exercise. I was exercising for a while. 1546 01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,719 Speaker 1: I had a guy that would come to my house 1547 01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:53,479 Speaker 1: that I really got along with. UM and then COVID 1548 01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,000 Speaker 1: happened and he couldn't come to the house, and now 1549 01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,360 Speaker 1: he doesn't come to the house anymore. And left to 1550 01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:02,800 Speaker 1: my own devices, I will always find something else to do. Okay, 1551 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,800 Speaker 1: filling a couple of holes. Are you still a sports guy? 1552 01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:10,200 Speaker 1: I have? I yes, I do. I I enjoy sports. 1553 01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:14,160 Speaker 1: I mostly pay attention around the playoff time, but I 1554 01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,280 Speaker 1: have I will say that the last four or five 1555 01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:22,120 Speaker 1: years have made sports seem less important to me. And 1556 01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:26,920 Speaker 1: what about football and c t E. UM, I think 1557 01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:34,080 Speaker 1: that it is. UM. I I feel guilty sometimes watching sports. Uh. 1558 01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:37,559 Speaker 1: Football is not my favorite of the sports. Baseball is, 1559 01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,200 Speaker 1: and it's less of an issue obviously there. But I 1560 01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:44,920 Speaker 1: have a hard time watching boxing, um because I know 1561 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:48,599 Speaker 1: what happens to those guys in the long run, and 1562 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:53,200 Speaker 1: I feel like it's like it's not so much different 1563 01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:58,000 Speaker 1: from watching cock fighting. UM. But I think I am 1564 01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:04,920 Speaker 1: somewhat willfully ignorant when it comes to watching football and guests. Now, 1565 01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,559 Speaker 1: the show's Letterman changed this. It used to be on 1566 01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,599 Speaker 1: Johnny the gifts just came Letterman. You have to come 1567 01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,840 Speaker 1: with the story. It became a comedy bit. How do 1568 01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:18,000 Speaker 1: you view this and what makes a good or bad guest? Well, 1569 01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:21,519 Speaker 1: if you have a great story, I am that's a 1570 01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:24,479 Speaker 1: good day for me because it's a lot less work 1571 01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:28,320 Speaker 1: and I can just sit there and enjoy and keep 1572 01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:32,479 Speaker 1: the story moving. Um. Some guests are harder than others. 1573 01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:37,920 Speaker 1: We definitely do things the way Letterman did, where we 1574 01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,080 Speaker 1: have a pre interview and if the guest has nothing 1575 01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:43,400 Speaker 1: to talk about, they sit on the phone with the 1576 01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,280 Speaker 1: producer for a long time and then they come to 1577 01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,160 Speaker 1: me and say, hey, there's this that this person can 1578 01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,120 Speaker 1: talk about, or this and this, and I say I'm 1579 01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,320 Speaker 1: not interested in that, or I am interested in this, 1580 01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:57,639 Speaker 1: And then sometimes the best interviews, it all gets cast 1581 01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:59,880 Speaker 1: aside and we get to none of that material. It's 1582 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,120 Speaker 1: more of a safety net than anything. But if somebody 1583 01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:05,360 Speaker 1: is a great story, you want to make sure you 1584 01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:07,559 Speaker 1: get to it. And if somebody is a great joke. 1585 01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:11,240 Speaker 1: The good thing about knowing what it is before and 1586 01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:13,439 Speaker 1: is you don't want to step on their punch line. 1587 01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,559 Speaker 1: You don't want to step on the end of it. 1588 01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,479 Speaker 1: And you know, as a comedian, you're always like kind 1589 01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,360 Speaker 1: of thinking like, where's the funny line at the end 1590 01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,040 Speaker 1: of this, and you don't want to take that from them. 1591 01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,679 Speaker 1: You want to make sure that that that there's room 1592 01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:29,080 Speaker 1: for them to be funny. And your two favorite guests 1593 01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:34,920 Speaker 1: Charles Barkley is uh somebody that I'm always very very 1594 01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:39,440 Speaker 1: happy to have on the show. I love I love him. Um, 1595 01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:43,160 Speaker 1: It's really hard to narrow it down to two, but 1596 01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,680 Speaker 1: I will say it was always a thrill to have 1597 01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:50,280 Speaker 1: Don Rickles on the show. That was fun. Okay, So 1598 01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:55,440 Speaker 1: looking forward, how much long are you gonna do this? Um? 1599 01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:59,320 Speaker 1: Probably not that much longer. And when you stop doing this, 1600 01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:05,000 Speaker 1: what do you plan to do? I will You know 1601 01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:09,040 Speaker 1: one thing I know is that whatever I think is 1602 01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:12,000 Speaker 1: going to happen, that never seems to be the way 1603 01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:16,040 Speaker 1: it goes, and that things come out of the blue. 1604 01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:19,360 Speaker 1: And sometimes I get excited about things and I can't 1605 01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,960 Speaker 1: control myself and I go, oh, yeah, I should definitely 1606 01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,800 Speaker 1: do this. And sometimes before you know what, you're off 1607 01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:28,160 Speaker 1: to the races and committed to something. You now realize 1608 01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:32,000 Speaker 1: that you have to be committed to. But I will 1609 01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:37,799 Speaker 1: definitely produce television shows. I will, um, probably send jokes 1610 01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,040 Speaker 1: to other late night hosts when I think of them 1611 01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,760 Speaker 1: if I feel I don't have an outlet. Um. And 1612 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,520 Speaker 1: I actually bought a fishing lodge in Idaho that I 1613 01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:54,519 Speaker 1: am enjoying remodeling and and fixing up. And um, I'm 1614 01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,120 Speaker 1: planning to spend a good amount of time there. Would 1615 01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:01,680 Speaker 1: you ever retire? Um not. I don't know that I 1616 01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:06,080 Speaker 1: ever fully retired. Maybe I will. I'll always do something 1617 01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:10,000 Speaker 1: I like to draw. That's really what I love to do. Yes, 1618 01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:13,200 Speaker 1: And um, I will always keep myself busy. I always 1619 01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,120 Speaker 1: have a project and I'm I'm working on Let's go 1620 01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:19,960 Speaker 1: back to the hunting uh fishing lodge that I assume 1621 01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:23,679 Speaker 1: is in the Panhandle of Idaho, which is where Mark 1622 01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:28,479 Speaker 1: Ferman and a lot of white nationalists move to. It's 1623 01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:32,320 Speaker 1: actually not. It's it's on it's on the it's an 1624 01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:40,320 Speaker 1: hour from Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Really yeah, on the borders. Yeah, 1625 01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:42,760 Speaker 1: Okay that that sort of catches me off guard because 1626 01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,479 Speaker 1: everybody else I know as a house like in Sandpoint, etcetera. 1627 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,360 Speaker 1: How'd you end up getting a place there? I went 1628 01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,120 Speaker 1: fishing there one summer and I said that I caught 1629 01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:53,320 Speaker 1: a lot of fish. I shouldn't have a place here. 1630 01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:57,080 Speaker 1: And so I knew the places for sale, and I 1631 01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:01,280 Speaker 1: started keeping an eye on it. And I have this 1632 01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,439 Speaker 1: buddy named Oliver White who's got a couple of fishing 1633 01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:08,840 Speaker 1: lodges and in the Bahamas and he um, and the 1634 01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:12,800 Speaker 1: hurricane actually demolished his fishing lodge, and I said, would 1635 01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,040 Speaker 1: you want to work on this with me? And would 1636 01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,280 Speaker 1: you want to be the guy that runs this lodge? 1637 01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,759 Speaker 1: And he said yes, And um, you know, because obviously 1638 01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:22,720 Speaker 1: it's not something you can do alone and you need 1639 01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,280 Speaker 1: somebody who really knows what they're doing. And we've been 1640 01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:28,080 Speaker 1: working on this for the last year and a half. 1641 01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,800 Speaker 1: So this will be a commercial enterprise people, Okay. And 1642 01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,479 Speaker 1: it's up and running now. Yeah, it's been open since Okay, 1643 01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:37,280 Speaker 1: So what's the name of it? Since we're talking, called 1644 01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:41,559 Speaker 1: the South Fork Lodge. Okay, And you grew up in 1645 01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:44,800 Speaker 1: Las Vegas when you become such a big fisherman, I 1646 01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:47,240 Speaker 1: used to fish in Las Vegas. In fact, Cleto who 1647 01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:51,840 Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, who is also in my band, UM 1648 01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,160 Speaker 1: would take us to Lake Mead and we go fishing. 1649 01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:57,760 Speaker 1: We almost never caught anything, but we loved it more 1650 01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,320 Speaker 1: than anything. And when I'm out on the river fishing 1651 01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:08,720 Speaker 1: is when I really am able to stop and enjoy life. Okay, 1652 01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,920 Speaker 1: what do you do with all your money? Um? I 1653 01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:16,280 Speaker 1: spend it on the fishing lodge. I do a lot 1654 01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:22,519 Speaker 1: of stuff with with my money. Um Uh, I donated 1655 01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,439 Speaker 1: all to charity. I you know what I like to 1656 01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:28,640 Speaker 1: do good things with the money. Um. I bought my 1657 01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:32,440 Speaker 1: parents a house, about my in laws a house. Um 1658 01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:37,880 Speaker 1: I bought the fishing lodge. And um, I don't love 1659 01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:41,320 Speaker 1: the stock market. I don't love any of that stuff. 1660 01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:44,360 Speaker 1: To me, it's like it's gambling. Is a bunch of 1661 01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:49,280 Speaker 1: people making money without actually doing anything or making anything. Um. 1662 01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:53,920 Speaker 1: So I like, I'm more interested in real estate than Okay, 1663 01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,760 Speaker 1: but you're handsomely paid, so I must assume there is 1664 01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,639 Speaker 1: uh cash stock or something somewhere where you know your 1665 01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:08,000 Speaker 1: liquid assets? Where are those? Um my liquid assets? I 1666 01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:10,120 Speaker 1: don't really know. I don't really I was gonna be 1667 01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:12,400 Speaker 1: my next question. You don't know someone's managing that. You 1668 01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:15,400 Speaker 1: don't think about it. I don't think about it. I'm I. 1669 01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:19,080 Speaker 1: I know I have enough money and um uh, and 1670 01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:22,240 Speaker 1: I know I'm not being robbed. That's the extent of it. Oh, 1671 01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:25,360 Speaker 1: believe me, A lot of people have been robbed. Okay, 1672 01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:28,080 Speaker 1: so both you and me, even though I'm older than you, 1673 01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,840 Speaker 1: we grew up in a completely different America. Yeah, what's 1674 01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:36,960 Speaker 1: gonna happen in America? Well, um, I like to think 1675 01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:42,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're going to reunite. But it doesn't feel 1676 01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,200 Speaker 1: like it right now, that's for sure. It doesn't even 1677 01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:49,040 Speaker 1: feel like I mean, even something like COVID. This should 1678 01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:52,400 Speaker 1: have united us. This should have been the thing. This 1679 01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:55,639 Speaker 1: should have been our World War where everybody pitched in 1680 01:36:55,720 --> 01:37:01,840 Speaker 1: and helped each other. And instead it became another right 1681 01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:06,920 Speaker 1: versus left situation, which is just absolutely crazy. And I 1682 01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:11,160 Speaker 1: don't think anyone expected it. And I don't know that 1683 01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:14,479 Speaker 1: it's going on in other countries other than the countries 1684 01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:16,680 Speaker 1: that are influenced by the way we do things, and 1685 01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:19,639 Speaker 1: who see like, oh, okay, if I take that anti 1686 01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:22,680 Speaker 1: mask position, I'm going to attract a certain amount of 1687 01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:26,320 Speaker 1: people who don't trust the government and blah blah all 1688 01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:32,320 Speaker 1: that bullshit. Um I don't feel that optimistic. I really don't. Um. 1689 01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:37,000 Speaker 1: I hope I'm I very much hope I'm off and 1690 01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:40,840 Speaker 1: that there will be a time where we um are 1691 01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:43,760 Speaker 1: all Americans again. I mean, you know, I have a 1692 01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:48,520 Speaker 1: flag on my house and um uh. And people sometimes 1693 01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,880 Speaker 1: get the wrong idea, which bothers me. It's like, like, hey, 1694 01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:55,080 Speaker 1: this is not their symbol. This is our symbol. This 1695 01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:59,240 Speaker 1: is You're supposed to love this country and be patriotic, 1696 01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:02,880 Speaker 1: and I'll do all those things that we learned. We're 1697 01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:05,200 Speaker 1: also supposed to be critical of our country, and we're 1698 01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:08,520 Speaker 1: also supposed to be welcoming to people from other countries, 1699 01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,680 Speaker 1: and we're supposed to help people who are poor. And 1700 01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:15,160 Speaker 1: this idea of America first is a disgusting notion. It's 1701 01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:21,840 Speaker 1: it's disgusting. It's it's not that's not America. America inherently is. 1702 01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,880 Speaker 1: It was a refuge for people from all over the 1703 01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:28,160 Speaker 1: world to come and work together and build something. And 1704 01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:32,280 Speaker 1: obviously you know that there have been the groups that 1705 01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:37,440 Speaker 1: have been discriminated against in horrible ways. Um, but ultimately 1706 01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:40,679 Speaker 1: we I think we all when you and I were kids, 1707 01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:44,479 Speaker 1: used to feel like we're America. You know, we're all 1708 01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:48,800 Speaker 1: rooting for the same team. And um, now we seem 1709 01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:52,760 Speaker 1: to have two teams living under the same roof. Let's 1710 01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,439 Speaker 1: just drill down a little bit. We have now reached 1711 01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:58,840 Speaker 1: the point where everybody wants a COVID vaccine has one. 1712 01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:02,520 Speaker 1: How do we nvince the how can you help convince 1713 01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:06,439 Speaker 1: or other people help convince the people who won't get 1714 01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:10,160 Speaker 1: to give vaccine to get vaccinated. I can't, Bob, I'm 1715 01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:13,720 Speaker 1: I do not have that cash at However, there are 1716 01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:18,240 Speaker 1: people like Donald Trump, for instance, who did get the vaccine, 1717 01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:23,200 Speaker 1: who credits himself greatly for developing the vaccine and speeding 1718 01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:27,080 Speaker 1: the production of the vaccine. And why he hasn't turned well, 1719 01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:29,960 Speaker 1: I know why he hasn't turned the corner on that 1720 01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:33,479 Speaker 1: and just outright said you need to get the vaccine. 1721 01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:35,840 Speaker 1: Why he didn't put out a picture of himself with 1722 01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:39,840 Speaker 1: a needle in his arm shows his his his selfishness, 1723 01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:43,240 Speaker 1: his that he did that he cares more about his 1724 01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:47,439 Speaker 1: about keeping everyone under his his horrible little umbrella than 1725 01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:52,160 Speaker 1: he does about their actual lives. These people are their 1726 01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:56,960 Speaker 1: lives are in danger because the people who they followed 1727 01:39:57,080 --> 01:40:00,479 Speaker 1: don't care about them, and they need to do or 1728 01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:04,840 Speaker 1: those people who who do have the trust of that community. 1729 01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:11,120 Speaker 1: The musicians and the athletes and the you know UFC fire. 1730 01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:13,680 Speaker 1: You know, these people need to speak out and they 1731 01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:17,400 Speaker 1: need to tell people, especially the ones who are getting 1732 01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:19,960 Speaker 1: the shots. We know there are lots of Republicans getting 1733 01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:24,280 Speaker 1: the shots. Why where are they Why aren't they telling 1734 01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:28,280 Speaker 1: people telling their people to do it? Because the more 1735 01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:30,639 Speaker 1: I tell them to do it, the less they're gonna 1736 01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:35,040 Speaker 1: do it. Wow. Okay, and you're a student of the game. 1737 01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:38,320 Speaker 1: What's going to happen with the landscape? Let me painted 1738 01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:42,519 Speaker 1: for a second. Used to be network television and the movies. 1739 01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:48,720 Speaker 1: Now we have internet platforms, YouTube, Instagram, Snapchat, etcetera. That's 1740 01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:53,040 Speaker 1: one thing. We have network television and the networks were 1741 01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:55,879 Speaker 1: smart because they ended up buying some of the cable channels. 1742 01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:59,559 Speaker 1: It's just not ABC anymore, just like it's not just 1743 01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:03,920 Speaker 1: not BC or CBS. But we know the ratings for 1744 01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:08,680 Speaker 1: the networks have gone down. There are a lot of 1745 01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:12,720 Speaker 1: channels on that are built into the cable system, that 1746 01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:16,920 Speaker 1: are supported by us paying for cable that don't exist otherwise. 1747 01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:19,960 Speaker 1: We have the movie studios that are only making a 1748 01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:24,519 Speaker 1: certain kind of movie. We have multiple streaming platforms. How 1749 01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:27,760 Speaker 1: do you see this all playing out? I love it. 1750 01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:31,519 Speaker 1: I think it's great. I think the idea that some 1751 01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:35,080 Speaker 1: sixteen year old kid can have his or her own 1752 01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:40,280 Speaker 1: TikTok video popular channel and get millions of people watching 1753 01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:44,080 Speaker 1: and actually make a living, uh, is a great thing. 1754 01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:46,000 Speaker 1: I wish I had that when I was a kid. 1755 01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:49,439 Speaker 1: I think I believe I wish I did too. And 1756 01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:51,360 Speaker 1: it was so hard. I mean, I just think about 1757 01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:54,040 Speaker 1: my career. It was so hard to get on the radio. 1758 01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:57,120 Speaker 1: It was just so hard to get in in a 1759 01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,600 Speaker 1: in a studio in front of a microphone. And I 1760 01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:03,120 Speaker 1: will is under the thumb of these companies I worked for, 1761 01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:06,519 Speaker 1: because when I got fired, there wasn't enough. I couldn't 1762 01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:10,840 Speaker 1: go across the street. You know, the radio stations consolidated 1763 01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:13,479 Speaker 1: and it made it impossible you had to move to 1764 01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:17,480 Speaker 1: another city if you wanted to stay in that music format. 1765 01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:21,680 Speaker 1: And the idea now that anybody can can have a podcast, 1766 01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:25,720 Speaker 1: and that everybody's got a shot at it becoming popular, 1767 01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:29,400 Speaker 1: and that I mean, I just think it like it 1768 01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:33,800 Speaker 1: opens the doors to the best talent. It gives you practice, 1769 01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,360 Speaker 1: which is something you really, you know, you can't get 1770 01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:39,160 Speaker 1: from calling in every once in a while to a 1771 01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:42,160 Speaker 1: radio station. It gives you those reps that you need 1772 01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:45,880 Speaker 1: to um, you know, to host something later in your career. 1773 01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:48,800 Speaker 1: And I think it's great. I think you know just 1774 01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:50,880 Speaker 1: what you said about the movies, and they're only making 1775 01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:54,400 Speaker 1: these movies, these huge superhero movies, this kind of stuff. 1776 01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:58,559 Speaker 1: The punishment for that is going to be they're gonna 1777 01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:02,400 Speaker 1: be a million little mini movies, studios making a million 1778 01:43:02,439 --> 01:43:05,760 Speaker 1: little what we call them TV shows because they're not 1779 01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:09,320 Speaker 1: in theaters. But who cares about theaters anymore? And I 1780 01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:13,760 Speaker 1: think that the power structure is completely upside down, and 1781 01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:16,439 Speaker 1: I don't think that's bad for anyone other than the 1782 01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:19,360 Speaker 1: people who are at the top of it. And the 1783 01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:22,679 Speaker 1: future of talk shows, the future of talk shows will 1784 01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:29,360 Speaker 1: be shows that have much smaller audiences but have particular subjects. 1785 01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:32,160 Speaker 1: And you will be able to find a talk show 1786 01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:35,800 Speaker 1: that you love because it really pushes every You'll be 1787 01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:40,000 Speaker 1: able to find a talk show about um, you know, 1788 01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:44,519 Speaker 1: sculpting and clay, you know, and those people on those 1789 01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:48,360 Speaker 1: shows aren't necessarily gonna make fifteen million dollars a year, 1790 01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:51,760 Speaker 1: but they might make a hundred thousand dollars a year. 1791 01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:54,080 Speaker 1: And that's you know. I mean, if you can do 1792 01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:57,160 Speaker 1: what you love and make a living from it, that's 1793 01:43:57,160 --> 01:44:00,400 Speaker 1: as good as it gets. And who do you listen 1794 01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:05,080 Speaker 1: to for information? I mostly read, UM, I listened to 1795 01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:08,920 Speaker 1: Howard all the time. Not necessary for information, but just 1796 01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:12,960 Speaker 1: for entertainment, and um, that takes up most of my 1797 01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:16,439 Speaker 1: And I always read your newsletter as well. I I 1798 01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:20,840 Speaker 1: always read it. Um, I don't, but I always read it, 1799 01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:23,960 Speaker 1: and I think it's I it is amazing how much 1800 01:44:25,479 --> 01:44:28,840 Speaker 1: how much material you put out and how many um 1801 01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:33,719 Speaker 1: thoughts you have on Israeli television shows. They're the best. 1802 01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:36,320 Speaker 1: All the television shows I'm got happen to be Jewish. 1803 01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:38,400 Speaker 1: But I didn't say, oh, I gotta sit at home 1804 01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:41,040 Speaker 1: watch is really television. You know what's gonna happen, Bob 1805 01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:45,800 Speaker 1: is you're eventually. It hasn't happened yet, but the relentlessness 1806 01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:49,679 Speaker 1: of the newsletter is eventually going to convince me to 1807 01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:53,280 Speaker 1: watch an Israeli television show. And when that does, I 1808 01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:55,080 Speaker 1: will send you an it happens, I will send you 1809 01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:57,760 Speaker 1: an email letting you know you've won. Okay, I got 1810 01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:59,760 Speaker 1: a couple, you know, because just to stay there for 1811 01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:02,880 Speaker 1: you know, they have a new season of Stistle. So 1812 01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:06,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people are watching this. You've made this up. 1813 01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:09,479 Speaker 1: There's nothing. Well the reason I mentioned it. This is 1814 01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:13,000 Speaker 1: about super orthodox people in Israel, so you don't want 1815 01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:16,080 Speaker 1: to recommend it to non Jews. But all of a sudden, 1816 01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:18,280 Speaker 1: the non Jews have called on. I mean, it's one 1817 01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:21,280 Speaker 1: thing where you say you gotta watch this show. Okay, 1818 01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:23,360 Speaker 1: this is not that show, and then you say, well, 1819 01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:25,920 Speaker 1: maybe you want to watch Game, which is about the 1820 01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:30,120 Speaker 1: modern Orthodox. They're Orthodox, but they have regular jobs. Okay, 1821 01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:38,200 Speaker 1: came now. But Prisoners of War was considered to be 1822 01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:43,040 Speaker 1: the best uh foreign TV show of the last decade. 1823 01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:46,200 Speaker 1: And that is first of all, it's very heavy and 1824 01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:49,400 Speaker 1: really great. But okay, let's just talk about the streaming 1825 01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:52,559 Speaker 1: TV for a minute. Okay, there are a couple of 1826 01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:57,599 Speaker 1: unbelievable shows that everybody should see. If you watch cops shows, 1827 01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:01,439 Speaker 1: the best cop show made you read a spiral? Have 1828 01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:04,599 Speaker 1: you seen spiral? I've not seen it. No French show. 1829 01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:12,680 Speaker 1: Unbelievable did you say French show? Yes, not deep meaning okay, 1830 01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:17,160 Speaker 1: but incredible. Have you watched have you watched Morgan? I'm 1831 01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:20,280 Speaker 1: not watching it. I've seen You've seen you write about it. 1832 01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:24,519 Speaker 1: But for me, even pleasure is part of my job. 1833 01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:28,160 Speaker 1: So when I watch shows, I need to watch things that, 1834 01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,640 Speaker 1: uh that are going to that I can talk. You know. 1835 01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:35,320 Speaker 1: You know Howard Watson watches nothing but shitty television shows. 1836 01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:40,720 Speaker 1: That's because he know he's accumulating material. It's if he 1837 01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:43,479 Speaker 1: watches a show that's really good, there's not much to 1838 01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:47,479 Speaker 1: say about it, you know. So for me, like I 1839 01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:51,080 Speaker 1: don't want to watch The Bachelor, but it's part of 1840 01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:53,800 Speaker 1: my job, and then it eats up a lot of 1841 01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,040 Speaker 1: like viewing time. And there are a lot of movies 1842 01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:58,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to watch, or TV shows, but I 1843 01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:01,040 Speaker 1: have the guest on, so I have to watch their show. 1844 01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:05,160 Speaker 1: So I don't have the luxury of watching Schmischel or whatever, 1845 01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:08,280 Speaker 1: Smuggli or whatever you watch. And I understand your point, 1846 01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:10,920 Speaker 1: and I understand the point you mean about Howard. Ironically, 1847 01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:14,920 Speaker 1: some of these shows would help with your material. But 1848 01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:18,920 Speaker 1: the interesting thing, especially with COVID, people have watched so 1849 01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:23,040 Speaker 1: much television that they're finally looking for new television. People 1850 01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:26,280 Speaker 1: are lazy, So let's just watch what everybody else watches 1851 01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:29,120 Speaker 1: some of this stuff. If you watched Morgan, which is 1852 01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:34,160 Speaker 1: basically a Danish political show, the woman who is the 1853 01:47:34,240 --> 01:47:38,400 Speaker 1: star is so charismatic and there's certain ways she behaves 1854 01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:41,160 Speaker 1: in a right end. Person is so evil and it 1855 01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:45,560 Speaker 1: talks about politics that would give you material because it 1856 01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:50,680 Speaker 1: would stimulate something. Back. Have you watched Patriot? Yes? I have, 1857 01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:56,000 Speaker 1: and it's a very odd show and you know, not 1858 01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:59,800 Speaker 1: that much happens, and you watch it, but you can't 1859 01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,920 Speaker 1: stop watching it. One of my favorite shows of the 1860 01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,400 Speaker 1: decade is it's so weird, like that that through line 1861 01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:09,559 Speaker 1: with the singing what's happening on the show is such 1862 01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:13,280 Speaker 1: sounds like such a stupid idea, and yet it is great. 1863 01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:15,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's a cult people who've seen her. So 1864 01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:18,439 Speaker 1: what else have you seen? The like? Um? You know, 1865 01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:21,080 Speaker 1: the Patriot is one of those few shows that I'm 1866 01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:23,320 Speaker 1: able to watch from my own I was able to 1867 01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:25,880 Speaker 1: watch from my own pleasure, you know, because most of 1868 01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:29,599 Speaker 1: the stuff I watches is because I have to watch it. 1869 01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:35,480 Speaker 1: But um, what do I you know, I watch um 1870 01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:40,759 Speaker 1: Better Things Pamela Adlin show, very good. She there's something 1871 01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:44,280 Speaker 1: magical about her. You know, she's a she's a pip squeak. 1872 01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:47,720 Speaker 1: She can be sensitive, but she also can throw it 1873 01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:52,599 Speaker 1: out with an edge. She's a tremendously natural actress too. 1874 01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:56,519 Speaker 1: U and and I find I love that show. So 1875 01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,759 Speaker 1: just having watched that show, did you watch a zse 1876 01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:06,080 Speaker 1: on sorry shows none? Yes? Yes, yes, that was phenomenal. Yes? Really? 1877 01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:11,280 Speaker 1: Did you watch Rami on Hulu? Yes? Rami is great? Yes? Yes? 1878 01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:15,559 Speaker 1: Because okay, so continue, you're gonna mention something beyond you 1879 01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:17,639 Speaker 1: know it's funny. I I don't know why. It's always 1880 01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:19,800 Speaker 1: hard for me. And then once we're done, I'll think 1881 01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,320 Speaker 1: of eleventh things I didn't mean to when people say 1882 01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,439 Speaker 1: what records you're listening to? If you had something in 1883 01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:26,439 Speaker 1: the top of your head, I don't want to push you. 1884 01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:29,639 Speaker 1: The only other show I want to definitely mention, though, Chad. 1885 01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:32,920 Speaker 1: Have you seen Chad? No? What is Chad? This is 1886 01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:36,280 Speaker 1: a show on TBS and I watched it because I 1887 01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:38,639 Speaker 1: had to because I had the star on the show 1888 01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:41,920 Speaker 1: and is very, very funny, and I think you would 1889 01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:44,760 Speaker 1: like it. Well, what's it about It is about a 1890 01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:49,640 Speaker 1: it's a an adult woman playing a teenage boy and 1891 01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:55,000 Speaker 1: a Ranian boy, and um, he is a hopeless nerd 1892 01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:59,400 Speaker 1: and as weird a character as you've seen on TV. 1893 01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:02,800 Speaker 1: And it's just very well done. I want to talk 1894 01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:06,120 Speaker 1: about one other show though. There's a show called The Bureau, 1895 01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:10,799 Speaker 1: another friend show about the French CIA. The first season 1896 01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:14,000 Speaker 1: not as good a one it turns out they do. 1897 01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:18,680 Speaker 1: That's fascinating because their secondary characters they're always were overpowered 1898 01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:22,120 Speaker 1: by the Americans. And the other thing is they can 1899 01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:26,200 Speaker 1: operate in countries where we can't, Like I ran okay, 1900 01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:29,320 Speaker 1: but it comes very tense as it goes along, very 1901 01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:31,839 Speaker 1: much like you know, what you would expect from a movie. 1902 01:50:32,439 --> 01:50:36,240 Speaker 1: But uh, you know what kills us. I only watch 1903 01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:39,800 Speaker 1: shows with my wife, so uh, if you know are 1904 01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:44,080 Speaker 1: we have we have a few hours together, so when 1905 01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:48,439 Speaker 1: we watch stuff we watched together and m and so 1906 01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:51,679 Speaker 1: we have to pick shows that are of mutual interest. Well, 1907 01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:54,240 Speaker 1: I find the same thing. It's like when I watch 1908 01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:58,479 Speaker 1: certainly you know Israeli show Our Boys was too violent 1909 01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:02,240 Speaker 1: for my girlfriend who I live with been together sixteen 1910 01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:06,479 Speaker 1: years next month, just as I say, my girlfriend, But uh, 1911 01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:10,360 Speaker 1: the other thing is go mora. Do you know the show? Yes, 1912 01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:12,920 Speaker 1: I you know what many of my friends have. My 1913 01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,080 Speaker 1: girlfriend won't watch it, so I you know, I only 1914 01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:17,439 Speaker 1: got through one episode. If I don't watch with her, 1915 01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:21,040 Speaker 1: my mind wanders. It's funny. So it's the same thing 1916 01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:24,320 Speaker 1: everybody talks about Peaky Blinders said. My girlfriend didn't like it. 1917 01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:26,320 Speaker 1: I mean it's not I could watch it myself, but 1918 01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:32,000 Speaker 1: not really happening. And ever read a book? Have I 1919 01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:34,040 Speaker 1: ever read a book? No? Now? Do you have any 1920 01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:37,360 Speaker 1: time to read a book? Not much, but for work. 1921 01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:40,599 Speaker 1: I just I had to read Hunter Biden's book. Um, 1922 01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:42,960 Speaker 1: I had him on the show. That was the last 1923 01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:47,040 Speaker 1: one I read. Hunter guilty of any of the ship. 1924 01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:52,559 Speaker 1: The Republicans say, the laptop, it's ridiculous. How about Bayner's book? 1925 01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:57,000 Speaker 1: You can have been around? No, no, no, no, he's 1926 01:51:56,360 --> 01:52:00,839 Speaker 1: he's he's suddenly very compassionate. I find that annoying. Okay, 1927 01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:03,800 Speaker 1: that's good. Who have you not had on that you 1928 01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:06,479 Speaker 1: want to have on? Not too many people. I've had 1929 01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:10,400 Speaker 1: almost everybody, but Madonna is somebody I had a I 1930 01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:12,599 Speaker 1: had the hots from Madonna when I was in high school. 1931 01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:16,320 Speaker 1: And she's never been on the show. Do you think 1932 01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:18,400 Speaker 1: you would be able to do your show if she 1933 01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:20,720 Speaker 1: came on or she would take over. She probably take 1934 01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:24,200 Speaker 1: off for you. It would be anybody you haven't met 1935 01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:28,719 Speaker 1: that you'd like to meet. Um, you know, I Banksy 1936 01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:31,240 Speaker 1: to me is a very interesting character who I would 1937 01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:34,400 Speaker 1: love to have on the show. I think if your 1938 01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:37,759 Speaker 1: own any Banksy, I do, I have a couple of them. Yeah. 1939 01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:41,280 Speaker 1: What do you think about the self destroying uh artwork? 1940 01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:45,120 Speaker 1: I love it. I's he's brilliant. It's it's just uh, 1941 01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, I can't get enough of that kind of thing. 1942 01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:55,439 Speaker 1: Ther irreverence, the irreverence, the creativity, this even weird prank 1943 01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:58,720 Speaker 1: element to it. And um also just putting a pin 1944 01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:02,559 Speaker 1: in all that art ship. Okay, since we're there, n 1945 01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:07,880 Speaker 1: f T S, what's you take? You know? I think 1946 01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,280 Speaker 1: I kind of know what they are. I've you know, 1947 01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:12,320 Speaker 1: I think when you hit a certain age, or at 1948 01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:15,120 Speaker 1: least from me, like I now have lost the ability 1949 01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:17,920 Speaker 1: to read directions and figure out how to do things, 1950 01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:20,679 Speaker 1: Like my brain is not a sponge anymore, it's a rock. 1951 01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:24,760 Speaker 1: And um, I think I have a basic idea of 1952 01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:28,120 Speaker 1: what they are. They seem to be imaginary baseball cards. 1953 01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:32,320 Speaker 1: As far as they are, you understand it completely. And 1954 01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:34,360 Speaker 1: that was the best way for me to understand that 1955 01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:38,360 Speaker 1: a guy what imaginary baseball? Did somebody say that because 1956 01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:40,679 Speaker 1: I said none of them? He didn't use the term. 1957 01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:43,600 Speaker 1: You can own the term. It's great, but that's what 1958 01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:47,000 Speaker 1: he exactly said. I was a baseball card collector. I 1959 01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:49,719 Speaker 1: just want an interest, just like people own baseball cards. 1960 01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:53,519 Speaker 1: They're gonna have these, you know, fake baseball cards. And 1961 01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:56,280 Speaker 1: I felt the same way about it, as you're just ridiculous. Spot. 1962 01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:59,439 Speaker 1: Maybe we should start selling imaginary baseball cards. I think 1963 01:53:59,439 --> 01:54:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, the window is already closed. I've got a 1964 01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:04,920 Speaker 1: jim Rice that I think people will be really interested 1965 01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:09,320 Speaker 1: in right now here. It is. Oh, I could see it. 1966 01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:12,160 Speaker 1: The appers to close. Jimmy. I won't keep you any longer. 1967 01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:15,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because you always try to find 1968 01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:18,000 Speaker 1: the hot point, and now I realized the hot point 1969 01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:20,720 Speaker 1: would be just having the conversation. I should have just 1970 01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:24,040 Speaker 1: brought up bullshit like a friend instead of all this 1971 01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:28,200 Speaker 1: other stuff. It's like when Howard he had mad Dog on, 1972 01:54:28,360 --> 01:54:33,280 Speaker 1: did you listen to okay? Mad Dog kissed? Howard's asked 1973 01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:37,960 Speaker 1: way too hard okay, and then they you know, they 1974 01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:41,720 Speaker 1: cover something usually, but then he asked, mad dogs take 1975 01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:46,680 Speaker 1: the last half hour. I don't know if you heard that. Brilliant. Okay, 1976 01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:50,240 Speaker 1: he should ask him anything. Godfather one, Godfather too. He 1977 01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:52,480 Speaker 1: had a take on everything, And you say, god, I 1978 01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:54,400 Speaker 1: would love to sit with this guy because what I 1979 01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:59,360 Speaker 1: love to do most is argue about all this fucking ship. Right. Yeah, yeah, 1980 01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:02,080 Speaker 1: you know there's if I can think of one person 1981 01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:04,640 Speaker 1: in my life, it's Adam Carolla, who has a take 1982 01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:10,440 Speaker 1: on literally any subject and a funny take usually. And 1983 01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:13,560 Speaker 1: in fact, I was walking with this this journalist Bill 1984 01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:15,840 Speaker 1: Carter at the beginning of my show, and I was 1985 01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:18,440 Speaker 1: telling him about Adam. I said, Adam has a take 1986 01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:21,600 Speaker 1: on give him. Look when we see him next. We're 1987 01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:23,640 Speaker 1: walking around the corner. I said, give him I think 1988 01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:26,960 Speaker 1: anything you can think of. And he's like, I think. 1989 01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:28,440 Speaker 1: He had like a cocktail in his hand with one 1990 01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:30,960 Speaker 1: of those little red drinking straws, and here comes at 1991 01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:33,280 Speaker 1: him around the corner and he goes, Adam, what do 1992 01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:35,040 Speaker 1: you think of these little And I was like, yeah, 1993 01:55:35,080 --> 01:55:38,480 Speaker 1: that was strawn and they're straws, but they're not straws. 1994 01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:41,840 Speaker 1: They're like he went in the whole thing. I was 1995 01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:44,640 Speaker 1: like seeing there you go. I know, as I say, 1996 01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:47,200 Speaker 1: I happen to like mad Dog. You know. That was 1997 01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:49,160 Speaker 1: one of the weird things where we went to went 1998 01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:52,160 Speaker 1: to satellite and lost a good percentage of his audience 1999 01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:53,920 Speaker 1: was supposed to Howard. But I think we've come to 2000 01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:56,280 Speaker 1: the end of the feeling we've known. Jimmy. I really 2001 01:55:56,280 --> 01:55:58,240 Speaker 1: have to thank you for taking all this. That was fun. 2002 01:55:58,280 --> 01:56:00,960 Speaker 1: Thanks Bob, appreciate you having me and uh, it's good 2003 01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:05,560 Speaker 1: to chat with you with words instead of typing Yes. 2004 01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:08,440 Speaker 1: Until next time. This is Bob Lefts. Thanks