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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health. Welcome into

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Live. Steve Tasker here with you today. I'm

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Speaker 1: driving the ship. You're gonna get stuck with me and

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Speaker 1: my poor hosting skills, but I am joined by a professional,

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Speaker 1: Carl Jones, w i v B sports reporter here in Buffalo. Carl,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on with us. Great to have you

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Speaker 1: on board. Thanks for being part of the team today.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad as you guys offered them bring me aboard.

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Speaker 2: It's honored to sit next to you as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's we're gonna have some fun. We got later

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Speaker 1: on in the show, We've got Jacob rob from the

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Speaker 1: Athletic coming on. He did an article for The Athletic

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Speaker 1: about every division in the NFL. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: to him about it. But you know, to get started,

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Speaker 1: you I did you played college football at the Ques

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Speaker 1: right at Syracuse? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I was born and raised in northeast Ohio and was

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Speaker 2: blessed enough to get a scholarship to play at Syracuse.

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Speaker 2: To be quite frank with you, I didn't know where

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Speaker 2: Syracuse was on the map. Right when I came out

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Speaker 2: of I thought I was going to play in the

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Speaker 2: Big Apple, right. I thought I was playing. Everybody thinks that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then I get up there, I'm like, wait, where

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Speaker 2: are the skyscrapers? But it was really blessed to play

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Speaker 2: there from twenty sixteen to twenty nineteen, and it was

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Speaker 2: the love of my life for sure.

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Speaker 1: We got away right before we came on. I said,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about your career a little bit, and

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Speaker 1: I asked you, did you play college COVID And you didn't.

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Speaker 1: You got out just in time, justin you were still

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Speaker 1: in school, but you didn't have to. You didn't play.

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Speaker 2: I actually left campus in December to go train for

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Speaker 2: the professional career, and then all my friends are still

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Speaker 2: on campus at the time, and then COVID hits and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, man, upset that I didn't get to play

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Speaker 2: a fifth year of college football, but very grateful that

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Speaker 2: I didn't have to experience the whole COVID life while

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Speaker 2: playing football.

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Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, that's you were lucky. We were sitting here,

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Speaker 1: I can't remember some I think it was me and

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Speaker 1: Murph doing the show here from home, and we all

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Speaker 1: kind of muddled through. Man, it's getting it's getting so

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Speaker 1: far in the past. We forget. It really impacted a

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Speaker 1: lot of my family, your family, everybody's in their college kids.

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Speaker 1: Everybody fun to talk what fun to talk about? Though

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Speaker 1: you you had good experience at Syracuse.

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Speaker 3: I loved it.

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Speaker 2: It was the win loss record wasn't the greatest. We

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Speaker 2: had two four and eight years, A five and Steve Dude.

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Speaker 1: I went to Northwestern. I know exactly where I were

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Speaker 3: But I did have a ten three year. I did

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Speaker 3: go to one Bowl game.

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Speaker 1: Oh nice. Yeah, that was my junior year and I

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Speaker 2: I was in Florida, so in Orlando and got the

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Speaker 2: experience that was really fun. But also I think the

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Speaker 2: coolest experience for me was getting to play against so

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Speaker 2: many phenomenal NFL players, Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: It's nice to play at that level, so you get

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Speaker 1: a chance to see those guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't fun at the time, though, I was right.

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Speaker 1: I get it, man, I'm with you, but it is.

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Speaker 1: That's part of the fun of it to play against

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, maybe I don't deserve to play at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you look around and think, man, it's a

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Speaker 1: different world for those gay Yeah, I know exactly what

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Speaker 1: what you know? You? I had this conversation just yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I questioned my entire life on a regular basis once

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Speaker 2: I really remember freshman year down there in Death Valley

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Speaker 3: But I still, once again, I can't reiterate it enough.

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Speaker 3: I had a ton of fun.

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Speaker 1: I had that same experience. I was the first time

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Speaker 1: the Houston Oilers. I'd just been It was a ninth

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I'm looking at and the guy

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had the same not elt.

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Speaker 2: I don't haven't gone against any guys who are top

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I have no business being out there. I

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Speaker 2: remember Matt Malonell actually my freshman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when he was bost in college.

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Speaker 2: The same time, but I do remember a linebacker who

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Speaker 2: He ended up being an All Pro linebacker at the

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Speaker 2: next level. But seeing all those guys seventeen eighteen years

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Speaker 2: it's cool to look back on. But once again, when

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Speaker 2: you're four and eight, you're struggling, you're drowning, You're like this,

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Speaker 2: this is not fun.

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Speaker 1: At Yeah, it's no fun getting yeah, because yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, that's the one thing that people lose sight

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Speaker 2: of sometimes, like, man, you still work from Monday to

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Speaker 1: Point, Yeah, there's no shortcuts either way. But yeah, Steve

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Speaker 1: Tasker and Carl Jones here, We're here till three o'clock

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Speaker 1: One Bill Live. I'm hosting the show today. Later on

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Speaker 1: we've got Jacob Robinson from the Athletic He's gonna committ

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Speaker 1: to talk to us. We've got some news and notes

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Speaker 1: from around the National Football League, presented by We're presented

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Speaker 1: by Colida Health. You know, a lot of stuff going on.

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Speaker 1: And the thing that came out today Netflix announced that

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of you out there follow this

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Speaker 1: stuff closely, like a Hard Knocks series and all that.

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Speaker 1: This Netflix series called Quarterbacks. Last year they had a

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Speaker 1: wide Receiver episode. You were reminding me. They've announced they're

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Speaker 1: going to do the Quarterback thing again. They've got a

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Speaker 1: rerun already now. Kirk Cousins is back in along with

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and Jared Goff. Cousins has been on before

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Speaker 1: and you read social media, everybody's like, why you know,

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Speaker 1: Kurt again. You know I don't. I don't need it, uh.

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. I never watched this show for

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Speaker 1: for Joe Burrow last season. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: But I think when you look at their tenure over

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Speaker 2: the past let's say four five years since Burrow has

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Speaker 2: been there. In twenty twenty, they've all those slow starts,

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Speaker 2: Some of that is due to the fact that Burl's

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Speaker 1: that the chiefs say, okay, gonna we're gonna do business

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Speaker 1: with you. Missouri has the current stadium side obviously at

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Speaker 1: Arrowhead where Royal Stadium is, and they've made they've both

436
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Speaker 1: made offers. The Missouri they're gonna renovate a one point

437
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Speaker 1: five billion dollar renovation to the current stadium, which is

438
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Speaker 1: a dynamite stadium, and bills fans, a lot of them

439
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Speaker 1: have been there. It's a great stadium. It's been there forever,

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Speaker 1: almost the same amount of time that high Mark, the

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Speaker 1: old high Mark has been been around. Now the Kansas

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Speaker 1: government say, listen, we're gonna build you a brand new

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Speaker 1: dome stadium with a bunch of commercial real estate around it,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. And then it all comes down to

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Speaker 1: what's the subsidy. Kansas has offered seventy percent of the dome,

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Speaker 1: stadium and all that stuff. We'll pay for seventy percent

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Speaker 1: of it. The Missouri side has said we will, uh,

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Speaker 1: we'll give you one point five million in billion in renovations,

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Speaker 1: will help with that, and will also give you fifty

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Speaker 1: million dollars in tax credits. I don't know the finances

451
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Speaker 1: of it, but those are big numbers. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: I think you said it when we were talking about

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Speaker 1: this before the show. I don't think the Chiefs really

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Speaker 1: want to move.

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Speaker 2: I know Kansas City is doing their best. Kansas is

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Speaker 2: doing their best to woo them to that side of

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Speaker 2: the river. Do you truly believe that there's a chance

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Speaker 2: that they go to that side, because that's a huge jump.

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Speaker 3: It's a different demographic and all that good things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's the same city, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, Yeah, it's like Minneapolis St. Paul, Right.

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Speaker 1: The Kansas side of the river is much smaller than

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Speaker 1: the Missouri side of the river. The city, Yeah, and

464
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Speaker 1: there's lots of land over there. There's lots of space, tasty,

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Speaker 1: and they've got a they've got a big NASCAR venue

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Speaker 1: over there, so they've got all the land you could

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Speaker 1: possibly want. And it's ready to be developed, and it's

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Speaker 1: going to be an enclosed stadium. You know all brand

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Speaker 1: news brand spanking new and blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: Are Chiefs fans opposed.

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Speaker 2: Paid for our Chiefs fans opposed to a dome because

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Speaker 2: I know growing up in Northeast Ohio, that was the

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Speaker 2: big debate.

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Speaker 3: Dome, no dome. Some Browns fans were opposed to it.

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Speaker 1: It can get cold out there, but you never get stuff.

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Speaker 1: You really rarely get snow. It's more of a high

477
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Speaker 1: desert out there than it is. But it does get

478
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Speaker 1: very cold. But you know it's not it's not Buffalo.

479
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Speaker 1: It's not Buffalo, it's not Chicago.

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Speaker 2: I do remember that cold, frigier game against the Dolphins

481
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Speaker 2: a few years back, but I know that was historic

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Speaker 2: and doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: So it's not Chicago. It's not Buffalo, it's not Green Bay,

484
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Speaker 1: it's not even Cleveland. You know, it's it's dry, so

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Speaker 1: it could get cold, but that you know, they don't

486
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Speaker 1: need a dome. But I think that's a I think

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Speaker 1: it's a a llure because it does get smoking hot

488
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Speaker 1: and they do big build big air conditioners, so it'll

489
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Speaker 1: be more comfortable for the fans. I don't know. It's

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Speaker 1: up to Clark, Kent, Clark Hunt and the Chiefs as

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Speaker 1: to where they do it. I don't know, And that's

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Speaker 1: a big debate. Think about this, if whether you could

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Speaker 1: have the stadium here in Orchard Park, or they're going

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Speaker 1: to put it in like southern Ontario like they had,

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Speaker 1: you know, across them where you could still go get

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Speaker 1: across the river. It's what do you want? You know,

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Speaker 1: it's up to the team to decide. That's really interesting, No, it.

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Speaker 2: Is, and I'm fascinated to follow it and see which

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Speaker 2: direction they go. I do know that probably most of

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Speaker 2: Chief's kingdom wants to stay on the Missouri side of things.

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Speaker 2: But that dome is you hear that in Kansas and

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Speaker 2: less money that they have to pay or whatever from a.

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Speaker 1: Taxpapers president, the president of the club, I'm blanking on

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Speaker 1: his name right now, but he has said that both

505
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Speaker 1: offers are are you know, they're they both make sense.

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Speaker 1: So it's you know, the Yeah, the the owner's Clark Hunt,

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Speaker 1: and everybody's answering to Clark. So it's up to what

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Speaker 1: the family wants to do. And they've got offers on

509
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Speaker 1: the table. It's really going to be interesting to see.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine a better facility for any of

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Speaker 1: those who have been out to Kansas City, Missouri. And

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Speaker 1: you know, tons of Bills fans have been out there

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Speaker 1: because they've been playing there. Yeah. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you've heard four straight years in the playoff. Yeah, right.

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Speaker 1: So it's a fantastic sports complex because there's a base

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Speaker 1: a baseball only stadium right next to a base a

517
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Speaker 1: football only stadium. It's unlike anything else around. So it'll

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Speaker 1: be interesting. I have a hard time seeing him move

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Speaker 1: from there.

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Speaker 3: I don't know I'm gonna follow it.

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Speaker 2: I know, if from like I said, grow up in

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Speaker 2: northeast o High On what the Browns are doing and

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Speaker 2: they're moving from downtown to the suburbs, and I know

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Speaker 2: Ohio natives have their own way of how they feel

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Speaker 2: about that. It'll be interesting to see the Chiefs as well.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the reason that we're talking about this

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Speaker 1: at length, because every time I come to work, I'm

528
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Speaker 1: looking across the street and that thing are the stadium here?

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Speaker 1: New high Mark is is growing before our eyes. So

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Speaker 1: I'm it's always on my mind about what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: Not only here in the process this was, but all

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Speaker 1: these other Denver's gonna get a new state that'll be

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Speaker 1: the third stadium they've had since I got here. I

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Speaker 1: didn't even Yeah, yeah, new new ownership, and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: do exactly what they did the last time. They'll build

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Speaker 1: it on the site of the old, old, old stadium.

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Speaker 1: The new stadium will stay, and then they'll move over

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Speaker 1: the parking lot build a third one mile high. That

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Speaker 1: thing is brand spanking new, it seems like to me.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so they're already starting the process for that.

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Speaker 1: In Denver.

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Speaker 2: These stadiums are twenty years old and they're like, no,

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Speaker 2: that's enough, kind of get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess fifty years is like the is the benchmarks,

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Speaker 1: that's what high Mark is, That's what you know Arrowhead is.

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Speaker 1: And they just put six hundred million in Darrowhead a

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Speaker 1: decade ago. So I I really feel old. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: build another stadium at mile High and then they're they're

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Speaker 1: starting the process, new ownership, new ideas, deep pockets, let's go.

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Speaker 2: The Browns came open back up in ninety nine with

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Speaker 2: the municipal stadium was there before that.

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Speaker 1: And they're they're begging for a new one Chicago. Same thing.

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Speaker 1: They bought the land in art not Arvada, Arlington Heights,

554
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Speaker 1: Arlington Heights, Arlington Heights. They got the option on that

555
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Speaker 1: land to put a stadium out away from the city.

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Speaker 1: What a world we live in.

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Speaker 2: I wish I was on some of those projects. I'd

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Speaker 2: say you that it looks pretty fun across the street.

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Speaker 1: It is fun across the street. But you know, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: That's news and notes from around the NFL, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Colidahell. Thanks for joining Steve Tasker and Carl Jones.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be here till two o'clock till three o'clock.

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Speaker 1: At two o'clock, we've got Jacob Robinson from the Athletic

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Speaker 1: coming on. I'm going to talk about all the divisions

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Speaker 1: of the National Football League. Stay with us, we'll be

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Speaker 1: right back. This is One Bill's Live, presented by Colida Health.

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Speaker 1: And you're listening to Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Live. Steve Tasker and Carl Jones here with you.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna put up. We have a Twitter poll today,

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Speaker 1: not a poll, it's a Twitter question for you who

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Speaker 1: are you rooting for most during Bill's training camp. I know,

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Speaker 1: you know all the names, and everybody has their favorite.

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Speaker 1: And there's guys who like Milana who's been heard or

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Speaker 1: you know Josh who's the m v P. Or Keon

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Speaker 1: you want him to, you know, come back this year

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Speaker 1: and show everybody why who you know? Who he is?

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Speaker 1: Max Harriston, you know Landon Jackson, pick a draft pick

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Speaker 1: whoever you are, Connor McGovern, you know an offensively you're

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Speaker 1: cheering front of them, you know, uh you pick. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Let us know who you're really rooting for in training camp,

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Speaker 1: who you're watching for and why. You can give us

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Speaker 1: a call at eight or three five fifty or one

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Speaker 1: eighty eight five fifty two five fifty. You can get

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Speaker 1: in on the conversation, Carl and I will pick up

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Speaker 1: the phone if you want. And there's a lot going

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Speaker 1: on in this uh, in this training camp, a lot

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Speaker 1: of expectations. They got double digit win expectations everywhere, which

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Speaker 1: is a little different than last year, and they overachieved.

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Speaker 1: There's just a lot going on. This team keeps rolling.

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Speaker 1: I mean I was last year. I think surprised a

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Speaker 1: lot of people because of the because the culture emerged.

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Speaker 1: You talk about it even this last week. Chase Claypool,

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Speaker 1: who was with the Bills this last season, said some

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Speaker 1: very nice things about what he went through here in Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: even after his injury. Uh and you bring up the

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Speaker 1: quote that a guy like Chase Claypool said after his

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four injury. He said, signing with Buffalo is

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Speaker 1: the best thing that could have ever happened to me.

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Speaker 1: I was the strong longest, fastest, most prepared I had

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Speaker 1: ever been. I was playing my best football, working up

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Speaker 1: from last which was fourteenth on the depth chart to

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Speaker 1: first team reps by the time training camp came around

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Speaker 1: most of us. Most of all, I was doing it

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Speaker 1: with a group of guys he truly appreciated. I want

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Speaker 1: to thank Josh for taking me in the way he did,

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Speaker 1: AJ and Greg that's Epanessa and Rousseau for showing me

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Speaker 1: the kindness they did. The entire receiver room who made

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Speaker 1: me feel like family, the O line for having my

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Speaker 1: back always, and my receiver coach who never failed to

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Speaker 1: check on me throughout this entire last year's sending the

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Speaker 1: motivational videos and helping me get past what I was

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Speaker 1: going through, as well as I thank you to coach

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Speaker 1: McDermott and Bean for affording me the opportunity. It was

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Speaker 1: a pleasure. Obviously a guy who came in and didn't

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Speaker 1: really have an impact, but I guess the club and

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Speaker 1: the culture had an impact on him. That's kind of cool.

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Speaker 2: I remember there was a lot of expectations for Chase

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Speaker 2: Claypool high draft pick. You wanted to see what he

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Speaker 2: can do in his third team by that point or

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Speaker 2: fourteen by that point, because I believe it were Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: Chicago than Miami, and he didn't last long in camp

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Speaker 2: because of this injury. But I think it speaks volumes

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Speaker 2: one the organization. You've heard nothing but great things about

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Speaker 2: the Bills players who leave and then come back. But

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Speaker 2: also a player like Greg Russo who's a young player

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Speaker 2: and stepping up in that leadership role and taking against

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Speaker 2: someone like on the other side of the ball, on

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Speaker 2: the other side of the ball, and as you know,

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Speaker 2: that's not all too common.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't always happen.

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Speaker 2: No, so for someone who's on the other side of

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Speaker 2: the ball, and not even a defensive back where he's

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Speaker 2: going up against every single day, a defensive lineman who's

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Speaker 2: willing to extend an arm out there and help him out.

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Speaker 2: I think that speaks volumes about not necessarily just the players,

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Speaker 2: but the team in general.

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting because it is a dynamic that goes unappreciated.

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Speaker 1: I think in a lot of times. I talk about

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Speaker 1: it a lot on the show. Where most people, you know,

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Speaker 1: you go to work and you have you know, you

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Speaker 1: go to work and the interact and you interact with

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Speaker 1: people you love and respect a lot. And then there's

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Speaker 1: people in your thing where you don't know, or you

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Speaker 1: don't get along with or whatever. There's a big dynamic

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Speaker 1: there in every business where you're in a group or

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Speaker 1: a team atmosphere, it's a little different in an NFL

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Speaker 1: locker room because you have to be willing to kind

648
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: of suffer for each other because you're going to hurt.

649
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: Right that it's one hundred percent chance that you're gonna

650
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: get injured during an NFL season. It's really hard to

651
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: do that for somebody you don't love and respect. That's

652
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: why culture is a thing in the NFL. You don't

653
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: want to you don't want to break your leg for

654
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: somebody you don't love, you know what I mean.

655
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: But the fact that he felt this and once again,

656
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: his season in Buffalo was done by July thirtieth. Last year,

657
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: like he didn't even I don't know how many times

658
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: he even put shoulder.

659
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: Pads on with the Bills.

660
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: And it's one thing to say this after I don't know,

661
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: September tenth, yeah, October thirtieth.

662
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: After you've played eight games, you even make it to.

663
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: A preseason game and he's talking like this. Once again,

664
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Speaker 2: that speaks volumes of it does culture.

665
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Speaker 1: It does, and that's why, and that's why it's so important.

666
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: We hear it all the time. And it's not just

667
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: the culture of the guys who feel like they belong

668
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: and feel like they're thriving here. It's also about getting better.

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Speaker 1: This coaching staff and this culture has had the reputation

670
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Speaker 1: of getting the most out of the roster from top

671
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: to bottom. You know, there's been a list of names

672
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: throughout Sean mcdermot's tenure here. Levi Wallace, Robert Foster, names

673
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: like that, guys who were like and they go they

674
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: left Buffalo and they disciplined, and Levi Wallace is playing

675
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: for Pittsburgh. They disappeared and here they were contributors on

676
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: a pretty good team. At times it says something about

677
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: what this coaching staff and the culture brings out on

678
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Speaker 1: these guys, where you've got guys who are bottom of

679
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: the roster, say, or midway guys or maybe not starters,

680
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: but real contributors here that can't do it in another culture.

681
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: Think about Danger as well. They just brought him back

682
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: as well.

683
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: And he's another player who his tenure in Carolina and

684
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: Baby didn't go exactly how he envisioned, but the Bills

685
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: brought him back, and I think for his ten year,

686
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: his first four years here in Buffalo, he did what

687
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: he was see the expectations as a seventh round pick

688
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: out of Pitt. I remember Dane coming out of college

689
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: and played against him my entire time there, and he

690
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: was a solid player. And then if you would have

691
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: told me back in twenty seventeen when I played him

692
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: at Pitt that he would have had the career he

693
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: did his first sit in Buffalo, I would have scratched

694
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: my head a little bit.

695
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then you look at what.

696
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: Babbage and McDermott and all those guys in the secondary

697
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: have done to cultivate that culture.

698
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: It means a lot.

699
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: It's interesting too, because you got a team like Carolina

700
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: who has been rebuilding for whatever you know, they've been

701
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: through head coaches. Now, they have won very many games

702
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: having to and Dane Jackson goes down there and does

703
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: not doesn't help, doesn't help enough for them to keep

704
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: him around, and they're struggling down there. You got a

705
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: team that goes to the conference championship says, no, we

706
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: need him. There's something in that. It's the weirdest thing.

707
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: You know. He'll help a team that's in the that's

708
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: on the doorstep of the super Bowl. But you got

709
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: a team that can't even get to the playoffs or

710
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: even get second in their division kicking him to the curb.

711
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: That's that's the intangible thing about pro football that you

712
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: can never anticipate or predict.

713
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: Especially because his role's not guaranteed here. Oh yeah, and

714
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: when he was here the first time, he was a

715
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: spot starter. Then I believe the year that trade White

716
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 2: got hurt, he was thrust into a long term right

717
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 2: starting job. But this upcoming season, I don't think anyone's

718
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: really expecting him to start Week one. I think there

719
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: are still questions on where where he will slide onto

720
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: the depth chart come week one. The fact that he

721
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 2: came back and everyone's like, you know what, all else speils.

722
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: We know what we're going to expect out of Dane

723
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: Jackson is what we've seen in the past.

724
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: I'll say this to coaches love things they can depend on,

725
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: and you get a guy that you really know and

726
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: at least that's your baseline. All right, we got him. Anyway,

727
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: there may be better guys out there. We don't know.

728
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: We don't know if they are or really they aren't,

729
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So coaches will fall back

730
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: on things they know they can depend on, and they

731
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: know that there's a base left. The floor is high enough,

732
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: or at least or high, so they'll do that. One

733
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: of the other things that's happening. One of the most

734
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: intriguing stories about this last offseason.

735
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 4: Was the.

736
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars drafted Travis Hunter. This two way player. Never

737
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: seen anything. We haven't seen anything like it since the

738
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: rosters were thirty two guys or twenty six guys.

739
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 3: Right.

740
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: Nobody in the NFL ever goes both ways anymore. It

741
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen. Jacksonville's gonna let him try. I think

742
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: that's I don't know how he's gonna do it. I mean,

743
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm the guy's a phenomenal athlete, there's no question about it.

744
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got all of that going on. He's

745
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: an elite athletes, all of that stuff. He's great offensive player,

746
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: great defensive player. My standard go to is that he's

747
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: not playing against dental students anymore, right, not playing against

748
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: college students anymore. He's playing against grown men who are pros,

749
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: who are smart and who will test him. I think

750
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: he's going to be a good pro, but I don't

751
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: think he played both ways at this level.

752
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: If I were just to give you a blank canvas,

753
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: a prospect that was an A minus receiver and then

754
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: an A minus cornerback at the same exact time, how

755
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: would you deploy Travis Hunter. I know that there may

756
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: be some reports that he's going to get more time

757
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: at receiver and then spot time at defense. If I

758
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: just gave you that, without diving into his exact profile,

759
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 2: where would you want to see him deploy?

760
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: It seems to me I would do it, and this

761
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: is what I know. I don't know anything. I'd do

762
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: it the opposite of what they're doing. I teach him

763
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: the offense because it's more COMPLICATEDUS defense. You go out

764
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: there and say, hey, man up on that guy, take

765
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: this guy out. You know, that seems to me the

766
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: easier way to do it. Now. Certainly there are checks

767
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: and adjustment packages on defense as well. You come out,

768
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, you're a corner, they come out in a

769
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: certain formation. You got to check two different coverage. That kind.

770
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: I get all of that, but it seems to me

771
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: the offenses are choreographed. You got to know what you know.

772
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: You got to run the right route, you got to

773
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: make the right read because there's three other guys that

774
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: are depending on you. You go out on defense, particularly

775
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: a corner, and you say, you see that guy, don't

776
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: let him catch it. That's it. It's that simple. It

777
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: seems to me Jacksonville's doing the opposite of that. They're

778
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: letting him play corner and then sprinkling him in on offense.

779
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: I think, is that right? Yeah?

780
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: No, that's by all reports that I've seen, that's where

781
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 2: they have him at receiver full time and then they're

782
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: going to sprinkle him in on defense.

783
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: Whatever. That makes some sense to me.

784
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 2: It does, But I do wonder does some of this

785
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: go this direction because of the draft capital they use

786
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: to get him. Do you trade up a future first

787
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: for a cornerback?

788
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: Like? I think that plays into it a little bit

789
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: as well.

790
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: That's right. I mean, well, you got to get some value,

791
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: so maybe they feel obligated to make him worth it.

792
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: I think that you would trade a future first for

793
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase. Would you feel the same with now Pastors

794
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: Tan also just one of the defensive player of the year, Yeah,

795
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: so I think.

796
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 3: But that's the thing.

797
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: Would you do it for Lawrence Taylor? Sure? Would you

798
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: do it for Bruce Smith? Yeah? Would you do it

799
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: for a Thrman Thomas Yeah? Would you do it for

800
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson? Yeah? Probably? Or Josh Yeah, of course. So yeah,

801
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: but playing wide out and corner I don't know.

802
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: It also says a lot too because I'm not expecting

803
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: him to be Jamar Chase. I think in the ideal

804
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: Jaguars role he's a top fifteen receiver and then a

805
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: top ten cornerback. I think expecting him to be top

806
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: five at both is we're playing video games at that point.

807
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yes, where you don't have to rest and yeah.

808
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: Stamina is off and all their good jazz.

809
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's gonna be really interesting to see how

810
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: they deploy him, what he can do. Certainly there's I

811
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: don't think there's any question, barring anything unforeseen injury, all

812
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: that stuff that this guy tryes. Travis Hunter is gonna

813
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: make some flash play. He's gonna have some moments this year.

814
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun to watch.

815
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: I've seen some mini camp highlights where I'm like, I know,

816
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: I tend to zone out.

817
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: Oh, he's all of that.

818
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 3: I usually turn it toun him out because it's offseason.

819
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, in shorts and in shorts and T shirts

820
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: and everybody looks good.

821
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 3: But some you know, some guys are different.

822
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, and he seems to be different. Yeah,

823
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really intrigued by this. But people are starting

824
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: to chime in on Travis Kelcey that the Chiefs tight

825
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: end the future Hall of Famer Bills fans know him well.

826
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: He's chimed in on Travis Hunter and what they're gonna do,

827
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: and he says, you know, and he's probably right. He

828
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: says that teams when they face Travis Hunter and he's

829
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: gonna come out and if he's gonna play dB against

830
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: the team, whoever Travis Hunter lines up on is gonna

831
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: take him deep. You're gonna take him deep. You're gonna run.

832
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna run. If every defensive snap you take is

833
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: gonna be a sixty yard sprint. Uh, And you're by

834
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: the time you get back on offense, you're done. By

835
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, You're done. Now, he may be a

836
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: lead in enough to hang in there and do that,

837
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: but that's the strategy right for sure.

838
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 2: You know this, for the love of the game, routes

839
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: where the receiver literally just goes deep and just takes

840
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: this takes this guy out of the play to clear

841
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: someone else out. I imagine a lot of time that

842
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: number twelve from Jacksonville is going to be guarding the

843
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: opposing teams receiver. You know what, for the love of

844
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: the game, just clear this out. I'm runna deep post

845
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: and get him out of the picture.

846
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker and Carl Jones here, we're gonna stick with

847
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: you until three o'clock. Just at the top of the hour,

848
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Jacob Robinson from the Athletic come on.

849
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna talk about the divisions. We're gonna focus on

850
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: the NFC South and the AFC East and the AFC

851
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: North that's Those are the teams that are revolving around

852
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: the Bill's schedule. We'll talk about all of those teams

853
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: and more coming up just before the top of the hour.

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Carl Jones, We'll be right back with you.

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Speaker 1: to you, are loyal listeners, who are you rooting for

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Speaker 1: most during Bill's training camp. I mean it's just around

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00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: the corner, and most Bills fans have their favorites. We

863
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: get all of that, but every year is different, and

864
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 1: we put the question to you. Got a bunch of

865
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: feedback on our tweet sheet from Aaron. He says it's

866
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: Matt Mulano's health, Dalton Kin kaid he's cheering for, and

867
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: also the new additions to the defensive line. I get

868
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: all of that. Milana has always since he came in,

869
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: has been a favorite. He's a quiet dude. He's just

870
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys, a playmaker. If there's a

871
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,479
Speaker 1: big play, he's always around it when he's on the field.

872
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: Even when he doesn't, you know, make the plays, he

873
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: makes the play, you know what I mean. He quickly

874
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: became a fan favorite and elevated his play right away.

875
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: And most you know, it's a fifth round draft pick.

876
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: The linebacker people are like who you know? Right? There

877
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: couldn't be a more anonymous draft pick than a linebacker

878
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: in the middle rounds like Eddie Ulafo. Same thing, I mean,

879
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: all those Now Matt Milano becomes this all pro guy

880
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: and people cheer for him. I get all that same

881
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: thing with some of these other guys that rise up

882
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: because of this culture and the development and milano struggles

883
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: with injury or now starting to become a kind of

884
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: part of the conversation.

885
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm very intrigued to watch him, and I want to

886
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: make this abundantly clear during training camp in the offseason,

887
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: Like we alluded to last segment, is really hard to

888
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: take away who's good and who's flashing without pass without

889
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: guys going to the ground. But Matt Milano is one

890
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: of the few players who are not on the perimeter

891
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: where you can see how he flashes because he's going

892
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: to guard running backs out of the backfield. He will

893
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: carry Dalton and Kate and Dawson knocks up the scene.

894
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: He also is when I know Josh is not full,

895
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: like he's not live in training camp, but he gets

896
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 2: out of the pocket a little bit and dances around

897
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: and Milano will chase him down and have fun in

898
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: that regard. So I'm very intrigued to see how he

899
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: looks health wise and how he moves out there.

900
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: And there's other two other things from Aaron. He also

901
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: said Dalton Kinkaid, which I think a lot of people

902
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: are kincaid and we've all seen it. I mean, it's

903
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: happened to other players, it happens all the time in

904
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: the national football The Kinkaid played last year wasn't himself

905
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: and you find out, you know, the guy's dragging around

906
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: three different injuries at different times of the season, really

907
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: banged up all season. And then a lot has been

908
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: made of the fact that they wanted him to get

909
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: bigger and stronger in the offseason so we could take

910
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: the collisions and the contact and the physicality and just

911
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: stay healthier because of it. Easy guy to root for

912
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: as well, and I think he falls into the category

913
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: of Khalil Shakir. Whenever you throw the football to him,

914
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: you just expect him to catch, no matter where it is,

915
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: and for the most part, he's he's lived up to

916
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: that in his career. An easy guy to cheer for.

917
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, this upcoming training camp, I want to see once

918
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: again how healthy he looks. You know, that's when the

919
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: first thing I think we're all going to look forward

920
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: to to just see how he moves around out there,

921
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: because that I'm happy that they peel back the curtain

922
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: a little bit once we got to the postse uh,

923
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 2: once the season ended and really learned all the stuff

924
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: that he was dealing with. I just want to see

925
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: how he moves because we know there's a threshold, a

926
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: bare minimum that we've seen what he can do in

927
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: this National Football League.

928
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: Is there next step? Is there something beyond there needs

929
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: to be?

930
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think, uh, you you see these guys and

931
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm believing, blessed I've been you know, it's so you've

932
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: been there to you. You play and you don't feel

933
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, but you gotta go. You're not You're

934
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: not in a hospital bed. You're not sick. You know,

935
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: you walk around, you can play, but you just feel awful.

936
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: That's that's why you need to love, and you need

937
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: to love the guys you're playing for because it stinks.

938
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: You gotta play. You're not hurt enough not to play,

939
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: but you feel horrible. Let's go. Whatever it may be

940
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: your elbow, your wrist, your knee, your ankle, your foot,

941
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: particularly for guys who run a lot like DB's and

942
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: wide receivers and running back tight ends. You got a

943
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: foot injury or knee injury, leg injury. Man, it stinks,

944
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: but you gotta go. And it's week after week after

945
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: week of that, and next thing you know, you're having

946
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: a season. That's like people are looking at you sideways,

947
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: going what's your problem and they don't know.

948
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: Especially in the offense with Josh Allen and all the

949
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: spotlights on him, you want to see the great weapons

950
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: around him shine. And obviously the way his season ended,

951
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: in particular in Kansas City with a drop on fourth

952
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: down is obviously gonna put a bigger spotlight on it.

953
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think they have high expectations for them,

954
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 2: as they should. His rookie year, I saw some promise

955
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: and Hopefully he can build upon that and ascending to

956
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: that tier of tight end that they were expecting when

957
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: they took me two years back.

958
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: Last one from this tweet, new additions to the defensive line. Everybody,

959
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: I think Bill's Mafia coaching staff, even the players have

960
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: been looking for an uptick in the pass rush for

961
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: a couple of years now. And you look back and

962
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: it's like Jerry Hughes was like the last guy that

963
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: really had a great year. Vaughan was here, was off

964
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: to a great start when he got injured, and then

965
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: the rest of his time here in Buffalo was you know,

966
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: it wasn't that great, but they you'd love to see

967
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: the Bills have a top flight pass rush, and they've

968
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: taken some steps towards getting there.

969
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see if it comes to fruition, because

970
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: I think there's two ways to go out of pass

971
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: rush in the postseason. You can have that s tier

972
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: elite guy, whether that's Aaron Donald, how he led the

973
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: Rams Super Bowl two years back, Chris Jones. I know

974
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: Bill's fans are quite familiar with that name, Trey Hendrickson

975
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: what he's done for the Bengals, or you can do

976
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: it kind of by committee where you can get a

977
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: bunch of B plus B level guys who can get

978
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: after the quarterback and get after them in waves. And

979
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 2: I think that's maybe the direction they've taken this year.

980
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: Or maybe Joey Bosa gets back to form me he

981
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 2: can become that S tier guy. But regardless, they've thrown

982
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 2: a lot of darts at that position, edge, defensive tackle, knows,

983
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: whatever you wanted to classify those guys. I'm really interested

984
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: to see how it all forms training camp. They aren't

985
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: going forth Rotto, so it'll be tough to see how

986
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: it looks then. But as the season progressive, for sure.

987
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take a break. Jacob Robinson from

988
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: the Athletics coming on. He did a series of articles

989
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: on each division in the National Football League. We're gonna

990
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: talk about the divisions that the Bills are playing, both

991
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: the East and the a f C and the North

992
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: and then the NFC South as well. Stay with us,

993
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Carl Jones here on One Bill's Live. You're

994
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: listening to Buffalo Bills Radio the One Bill's Live presented

995
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: by Calllida Health. Welcome back to One Those Liveste Tasker

996
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: hosting today with along with Carl Jones, WIVBD, WIVB sports reporter.

997
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Carl, and we are pleased to

998
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: be joined on the line now by Jacob Robinson and

999
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: the NFL writer for the Athletic Jacob, thanks for coming

1000
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: on here with Steve and Carl. Appreciate you taking some

1001
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: time for us.

1002
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, guys, looking forward to chatting.

1003
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: We wanted to talk to you because you did the

1004
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: deep dive into the divisions. I want to break down

1005
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: the league into divisions of how they're going to shake out,

1006
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: and certainly at this end of the schedule, we feel

1007
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: like we got a good handle on all this stuff

1008
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: that's going to happen. Sometimes we don't. Last year, the

1009
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: Bills were highly undervalued and ended up going thirteen and

1010
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: four and winning a division people thought they would not

1011
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: be able to win. So at this point though, we've

1012
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: got three divisions on our mind here in Buffalo, the

1013
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: AFC East of course, the AFC North, and the NFC South,

1014
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: which is the two divisions that the Bills play, and

1015
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: your thoughts about the East. Certainly the Bills are the favorite,

1016
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: no question about it. But if you're going to pick

1017
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: a horse other than the Bills in the AFC East.

1018
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: Who is it? Well.

1019
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 4: I think for the past couple of years you look

1020
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 4: to the Dolphins as that obvious number two in the division.

1021
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 4: I think that changed this year, and I think the

1022
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 4: win totals that Bet MGM and the other Vegas players

1023
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 4: have given the Patriots really evidence the fact that this

1024
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 4: is a team. Not only came in brought in Mike Vrabel,

1025
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 4: which should improve the overall roster, improve the culture, but

1026
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 4: they plugged almost every hole that they had, and I

1027
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 4: think if we can see Drake may take a step

1028
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 4: in year two, which I think he can, especially if

1029
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 4: their offensive line improves. Now there's been reports from camp

1030
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: that the athletics Chad Graff has come out with saying

1031
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 4: that the offensive line still looks shaky. I think that

1032
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 4: will be a key to see if the Patriots can

1033
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 4: emerge as that number two team in twenty twenty five,

1034
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 4: because if not, I think it'll be close between them

1035
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 4: and the Dolphins.

1036
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: Within your article your for your AFC East preview, one

1037
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: of your positions to watch for the Buffalo Bills was

1038
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: running back and outside of the James Cook contract situation

1039
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: that's in the air, right now. You also talked about

1040
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: Ray Davis and maybe he could rise into another caliber

1041
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: of player next year.

1042
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 3: How did you weigh that?

1043
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 2: Was this a position that you were looking for based

1044
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: solely off James Cook in his contract situation, or do

1045
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: you truly see something with Ray Davis going forward?

1046
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's twofold.

1047
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: Number one.

1048
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 4: You can see the history of the Bills when it

1049
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 4: comes to extending rookie contract running backs, there is none.

1050
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 4: They haven't done it since this regime took over, and

1051
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 4: I don't expect that to change with the situation with

1052
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 4: James Cook now. The reason I don't think that'll change,

1053
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 4: and part of the reason why I say it's twofold,

1054
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 4: is because of what we saw from Ray Davis last year.

1055
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 4: We saw a player who can play all three downs,

1056
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 4: who can catch passes out of the backfield, who can

1057
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 4: run between the tackles, who can pass block, and if

1058
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 4: they see an emergence from him in this year, I

1059
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 4: think it's a no brainer to play out Cook's contract.

1060
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 4: Let Ray Davis you have. I think it's three more

1061
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 4: years of team control on his rookie dear to.

1062
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 3: See what he can do.

1063
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 4: We saw what he did in week six against the

1064
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 4: Jets when he was given a full time role. I

1065
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 4: think he took like twenty something touches for one hundred

1066
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 4: and fifty plus yards. Looked fantastic. The team played well

1067
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 4: overall in that game. And if he can take another

1068
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 4: leap this year, I do think it's going to be

1069
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 4: a difficult conversation. Now the question becomes does this ever

1070
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 4: get to that point? Is there a point where the

1071
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 4: bill say, you know what it's worth it for us

1072
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 4: to keep cooking this building on a team friendly deal

1073
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 4: and Cook agrees to that. I know he cook himself

1074
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 4: as posted on socials that he's looking for fifteen million.

1075
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 4: Whether Buffalo gets to that number, I don't really think

1076
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 4: that happens.

1077
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: How good is James Cook.

1078
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 4: I think he's great. I think last year showed you

1079
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 4: know what he brings to this team. He had ninety

1080
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 4: something rush yards per game in the playoffs. He was

1081
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 4: the engine of their win against Denver and really helps

1082
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 4: them take advantage of the middle of the field, which

1083
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 4: is often open when you have a team with like Josh,

1084
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 4: when you have a quarterback like Josh Allen and receivers

1085
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 4: who can really open things up in the middle. He's

1086
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 4: such a valuable piece of this Bills offense, and I

1087
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 4: think in the division like the AFC East, you want

1088
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 4: a running back that can really get you those big gains.

1089
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 4: I think the question becomes with Cook though, when you're

1090
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 4: thinking about how valuable he is is how many snaps

1091
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 4: he is he playing when he was healthy. He only

1092
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 4: played about forty seven percent of snaps last season. That's

1093
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 4: not a fifteen million dollar per year running back in

1094
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 4: my opinion. That's not a Derek Henry type. That's not

1095
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 4: a Christian McCaffrey or a Saquon Barkley. So whether or

1096
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 4: not Buffalo sees him as a sixty maybe low sixty

1097
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 4: percent snap player, I think that will be the determination

1098
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 4: over how valuable he is to the team.

1099
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 2: Elsewhere in your article, you have wide receiver Josh Palmer

1100
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: as your breakout player to look forward to. If you

1101
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: ask a lot of Bills fans, they would hope it

1102
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: will be Keon Coleman, a Dulton and Kid, or on

1103
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: the other side of the all, maybe a cold Bishop.

1104
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 3: You have Josh Palmer. What led you in that direction?

1105
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 4: I love me some Josh Palmer guys. He was on

1106
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 4: my fantasy team with a couple years ago and really

1107
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 4: impress than I've had a soft spot for him since,

1108
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 4: but that doesn't factor it all into my decision here.

1109
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 4: And to me, Josh Palmer fits that Z receiver role

1110
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 4: that the team needed sorely last year. He can play,

1111
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 4: he can win the ball deep, he really separates well,

1112
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 4: and I think when you look back at some of

1113
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 4: the Bills state, particularly against the chief which is the Chiefs,

1114
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 4: which are that proverbial dragon that the Bills have been

1115
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 4: looking a slave for the past few years, particularly in

1116
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 4: the playoffs, getting open looks for Josh Allen, getting receivers

1117
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 4: open down the field has been such a big problem

1118
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 4: with this team. And I know there's been a lot

1119
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 4: of comments and talk about what they did or didn't

1120
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 4: do in the offseason to address that receiver position. But

1121
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 4: I do think Palmer, who spent a few years behind

1122
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 4: Keenan Allen, behind Mike Williams in LA and always Sean

1123
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 4: when he had that opportunity, could take a really big

1124
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 4: step this year.

1125
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Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about, you know, the Bill's offense,

1126
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: and certainly it seems as though they'd got reason to

1127
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: be really optimistic this year, is considering their wide receiver

1128
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: room and from where we were a year ago, it's

1129
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: a big upgrade all the way across the board. Even

1130
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: though mc collins play well for the team, I think

1131
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: the depth and all five spots are all six slots

1132
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: in the wide receiver room seemed to be manned by

1133
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: some guys with some pedigree. On the other side of

1134
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: the ball. However, the Bills last year thirty first in

1135
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: the league and third down conversion. You know, the one

1136
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: thing the Bills did last year was get turnovers and

1137
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: that was really the engine of why they could stay

1138
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: in contention. I mean, thirteen and four is great, but

1139
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have been thirteen and four if the team

1140
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: would have been fifteenth in turnovers instead of third. Right,

1141
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: So on the defensive side, what are your you know,

1142
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: what are your what's the prospects for the Bills going

1143
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: forward there? And how do you see that sifting out?

1144
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really glad you brought up turnovers because to me,

1145
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 4: they ranked third in total turnovers over the season, and

1146
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 4: that really masked how bad they were at stopping opposing

1147
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 4: offenses on third down. If if you look at the

1148
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 4: statistics on passing attempts by opposing offenses on third down.

1149
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 4: So when they were throwing the ball on third downs,

1150
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 4: they had the worst rate in the league in terms

1151
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 4: of success in stopping them. I was really surprised. That's

1152
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 4: one of those stats when you're sorting through and you say, wow,

1153
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 4: I was not expecting to see that middle of the league.

1154
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 4: I could understand, but to be the worst team in

1155
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 4: the NFL at stopping the pass on third down points

1156
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 4: to two things. It points to a secondary that can't

1157
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 4: lock up the opposing receivers, and it also points to

1158
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 4: a pass rush that wasn't getting there when it needed to.

1159
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 4: The Bills did an excellent job addressing both of those

1160
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 4: this offseason. They improved the pass rush with Joey Bosa

1161
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 4: other a couple other free agents than they attacked it

1162
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 4: through the draft as well. I really like the land

1163
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 4: and Jackson pick in the third round. I thought he

1164
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 4: could be a lot higher and I had him a

1165
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 4: lot higher on my draft boards. And then they addressed

1166
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 4: the secondary in the offseason, bringing back to Davius Waite.

1167
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 4: What he has left in the tank will still find

1168
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 4: out this year, but they brought Dane Jackson back, JaMarcus

1169
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 4: Ingram still there. Both of them will compete for a

1170
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 4: spot against Christian Benford of course with Maxwell Hairston, So

1171
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 4: that's going to be a much improved defense es actually

1172
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 4: when it comes to third down, and to me, that's

1173
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 4: what could help this team take the next step, especially

1174
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 4: when you think about what Bobby Babbage could bring in

1175
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 4: year two.

1176
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier that the Dolphins were the second team

1177
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 2: in the AFC East since at least Mike McDaniel has

1178
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 2: been there. In this offseason, that they've done some peculiar things.

1179
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: To say the least. They just made a trade last

1180
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 2: week for Jalen Ram, trading away Jayleen Rams and bring

1181
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 2: again Meka Fitzpatrick.

1182
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 3: In your article, you do not believe that they will

1183
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 3: be better than last year.

1184
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 2: What do you make of their offseason, whether it's acquiring

1185
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: at Mika Fitzpatrick, beefing up the interior of the defensive

1186
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: line in the draft. I have no idea what direction

1187
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: they were trying to go in terms of are they rebuilding, retooling,

1188
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be.

1189
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts?

1190
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 4: I feel you on that sentiment. Man, it's a confusing

1191
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 4: build and it's a team that's built for a lot

1192
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 4: of flash, and I think they missed a lot of

1193
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 4: the substance. Their interior of their defensive and offensive lines

1194
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 4: has been sort of ravaged over the past few years,

1195
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 4: losing a few key guards that they couldn't afford to

1196
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 4: re sign because they were paying such big salaries to

1197
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 4: Tyreek Kill, had money earmarked for Tua jaln Waddle. This

1198
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 4: was a team that's really built almost in the opposite

1199
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 4: way of a lot of the best teams that we've seen,

1200
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 4: which is they haven't been focusing on the interior of

1201
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 4: the build. They struggle to run the ball up the gut.

1202
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 4: That leads to a lot of losses when you're running outside,

1203
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 4: when you're trying to throw a lot of screen passes

1204
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 4: to those flashyear players. So on paper, a lot of

1205
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 4: people look at the team like the Dolphins and see

1206
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 4: stars in a lot of positions and bigger names. But

1207
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 4: I think they miss that bruising nature that you need

1208
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 4: to win at the NFL level, And I think that's

1209
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 4: one reason why I expect them to struggle this year,

1210
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 4: particularly when you think about the improvements that we're expecting

1211
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 4: to see across the board in the AFC East.

1212
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: Talk to us a little bit about a little bit

1213
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: more about the new head coaches. You got Aaron Glenn

1214
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: in New York for the Jets and Mike Vrabel certainly,

1215
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: maybe no other spot in all of football can make

1216
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: a bigger difference for a team than the head coach

1217
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: and what he does. I've got a lot of respect

1218
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: for Mike Vrabel and as a player, and we were

1219
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: talking in the break I played against Aaron Glenn and

1220
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: I had a lot of respect for the guy. He

1221
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: was a tough competitor, very smart football player, and he

1222
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: seems to be exactly that as a coach. How big

1223
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: a difference can Mike Vrabel and Aaron Glenn make for

1224
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 1: those two franchises.

1225
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 4: I think a huge difference. And when you look at

1226
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 4: what they came from and what they've done in their

1227
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 4: previous stops, those are both teams and the Titans with

1228
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 4: Rabel and the Lions with Glenn built the way we

1229
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 4: were just talking about, in the opposite way that the

1230
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 4: Dolphins are, which is they're building to run the football

1231
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 4: and to stop teams on defense. And that's the way

1232
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 4: Glenn has spoken all off season. That's the way we

1233
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 4: know Vrabel's going to build his team. Now you also

1234
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 4: add in which those can almost be assumed. But now

1235
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 4: you add in the X factor of Justin Fields. Can

1236
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 4: he take a step? This is probably the best offensive

1237
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 4: line he's had in his career. Can Drake may take

1238
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 4: a step? Those are pieces that Vrabel really didn't have

1239
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 4: now Glenn, obviously it's a bit of a difference with

1240
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 4: him coming from the defensive side, But from Rabel's perspective,

1241
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 4: I think bringing in his mindset of run the ball,

1242
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 4: play defense, and adding in that X factor of a

1243
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 4: Drake may can really take this team into the next

1244
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 4: level really quickly. And then when it comes to Glenn

1245
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 4: in New York, I think that three headed run in

1246
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 4: attack that he's spoken about all offseason, when it comes

1247
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 4: to Breeze Hall, Isiah Davis and Braylan Allen, speaks to

1248
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 4: what this team is built about, and that's to run

1249
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 4: the football, play defense. And if this defense can get

1250
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 4: back to where it was in the early years of

1251
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 4: Salad's regime, I think that could be a much different

1252
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 4: team than we saw last season, which they led the league.

1253
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 4: I believe in passing attempts now.

1254
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: One of the divisions that the Bills will play this

1255
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 2: year is the AFC North, led by Baltimore Ravens, who

1256
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: they will play Week one, but won the division last

1257
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 2: year as well. Do you believe this is the Ravens

1258
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: division to run away with again or do you see

1259
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: that with Aaron Rodgers now in Pittsburgh that they can

1260
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: take a step forward in the Bengals playing anything better

1261
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: than what they did last year defensively? I know that's

1262
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: not a bar too high to clear. Is this the

1263
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: Raven's division to run away with or were those two

1264
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: teams put a fight?

1265
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 4: Well, look, I think the raven have to be your favorites,

1266
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 4: especially given the consistency they've played with the past few years,

1267
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 4: the relative continuity they have on both sides of the ball,

1268
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 4: and the struggles the struggles we've seen the Bengals play

1269
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 4: with on defense. I don't think the Bengals did anything

1270
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 4: drastic to improve their defense. Trey Hendrickson still is unsigned,

1271
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 4: I believe, as is Shamar Stewart, their first round pick.

1272
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 4: So had both of those players signed, and had they

1273
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 4: made maybe one or two other free agent signings, I'd

1274
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 4: be a little bit more optimistic of the Bengals having

1275
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 4: a bounce back season. As for Pittsburgh, I do think

1276
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 4: the Aaron Rodgers effect will be better than most people expect.

1277
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 4: If you watch a bunch of his game film last season,

1278
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 4: games where he was injured either during the game before

1279
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 4: the game, you could see the mobility was lacking, and

1280
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 4: when his mobility was lacking, he looked like a different player.

1281
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 4: He looked like a forty one year old quarterback from

1282
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 4: thirty years ago, not a Tom Brady asque forty one

1283
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 4: year old quarterback that we can see. And I think

1284
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers can play at this year. So I do

1285
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 4: think Rogers has that low floor but high ceiling that

1286
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 4: the Steelers needed at quarterback. And if things go poorly,

1287
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 4: they will be in a good position next year with

1288
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Speaker 4: plenty of compensatory picks as well as their own first

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Speaker 4: round or two make a move up for a quarterback

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Speaker 4: and a more quarterback heavy draft. I won't talk about

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Speaker 4: the Browns because I think we all know how they're

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Speaker 4: gonna finish.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they may finish like that. The thing, the most

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Speaker 1: intriguing thing about the Cleveland Browns is, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: a long and sordid story about the list of quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: they've gone through since they've been back in the league

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Speaker 1: in nineteen nine. I was like, you know, fifty quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: that have started a game for them, and now they

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Speaker 1: have four on the ross. Now, I don't think Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Watson's kind of off the table, but man, you who

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Speaker 1: is gonna you know, how do you think that's gonna

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Speaker 1: shake out in Cleveland? It's a really intriguing story, and

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Speaker 1: certainly wins and losses are a secondary concern for people

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Speaker 1: who are out here just looking at this, going how

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Speaker 1: can they be a mess for this long? And they've

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Speaker 1: got these quarterbacks in their rouge? How do you think

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Speaker 1: this quarterback room shakes out in Cleveland? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: The Cleveland quarterback room reminds me of an accident on

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Speaker 4: the highway. You're driving by. You don't need to look

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Speaker 4: at it, and you know it's not going to be pretty,

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01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 4: but you can't help but turn and take a quick peek.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's where we all are on this.

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Speaker 4: We don't think this is going to make a huge

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Speaker 4: difference with how this season turns out, but I do

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Speaker 4: think with what we've seen with Joe Flacco and Kevin

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Speaker 4: Stefanski's offense, and if he reverts to using more two

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Speaker 4: tight end looks heavy personnel, that team could surprise if

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Speaker 4: quite a few people. And remember they won eleven and five,

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Speaker 4: I believe, or eleven and six one of the two

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Speaker 4: last time Joe Flacco was at the Helm. And this

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Speaker 4: team does have pieces where if they have competent quarterback played,

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Speaker 4: they can impress some people. They still have a decent

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Speaker 4: offensive line, even though it's getting older. But if I

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Speaker 4: do have to say, I would say I'd be very

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Speaker 4: surprised if anyone but Flacco is starting week one now,

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Speaker 4: week fifteen, week sixteen, maybe even earlier. If this team,

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Speaker 4: or when this team is out of playoff contention, that's

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Speaker 4: when I think you start to get looks of Kenny Pickett, SR.

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Speaker 4: Sanders and Dylan Gabriel, probably in that order, although I

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Speaker 4: do see the Cleveland Browns hoping that Sanders does get

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01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 4: a crack ahead of Gabriel, but I'd be surprised if

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Speaker 4: he doesn't earn his way there.

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Speaker 2: The Bills will also play the NFC South this year.

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Speaker 2: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers won it last year. They did

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Speaker 2: lose their offensive coordinator who is now the Jaguars head coach,

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01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 2: and Liam Cohen. Outside of that, they will retained a

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Speaker 2: lot of the same personnel. Do you think that's their

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Speaker 2: division to run away with as well? Or Kellen mor

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Speaker 2: Can he shake things up down there? In New Orleans,

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Speaker 2: Bryce Young in year three, will he take a step

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Speaker 2: forward as well?

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Speaker 3: As in Atlanta? Now the Michael Pennix era, How does

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Speaker 3: that division shake out in your eyes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: When I was writing my division preview for the NFC South,

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Speaker 4: I really wanted to say that the Falcons were going

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Speaker 4: to beat the Buccaneers this year, and the Buccaneers weren't

1348
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Speaker 4: going to run away with the division for I think

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Speaker 4: it would be the fifth or sixth straight season. I

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01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 4: wasn't able to do that. The Buccaneers return a relatively

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Speaker 4: loaded roster on offense. They've improved drastically on defense, getting

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Speaker 4: many healthy players back, especially safety Antoine Winfield. Now they

1353
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 4: signed Hassan Reddick, who should be much better after a

1354
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 4: bit of an odd year last year with the Jets,

1355
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Speaker 4: He's got something to prove on a one year deal.

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Speaker 4: I think just the improvements that the Buccaneers made on defense,

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Speaker 4: together with their offensive continuity, that offensive line is one

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Speaker 4: of the league's best. Offensive coordinator Josh Grizzard is a

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Speaker 4: bit of an unknown quantity, but I do think based

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Speaker 4: on who Tampa Bay's hired over the past couple of years,

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Speaker 4: they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Grizzard's a Yale graduate.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to be surprised if he comes in

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01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 4: and becomes a head coaching candidate next offseason based on

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Speaker 4: what that offense can do and what this team can do.

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Speaker 4: So I don't want to say Tampa Bay is going

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Speaker 4: to run away with the division, but I'd be really

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Speaker 4: surprised if anyone was one or two wins away from them.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what do you think? How close

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Speaker 1: is Atlanta? I mean, they seem like they're trying to

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Speaker 1: convince themselves they're a good quarterback away, which a lot

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Speaker 1: of teams will convince themselves of. How much is there

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta and their roster and what's missing?

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Speaker 4: Well, look in by private. My prior life, I was

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01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 4: a lawyer, and I could always convince myself of one

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Speaker 4: of two arguments, and I think, and this is one

1376
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 4: case too, where I can talk myself into the fat Falcons.

1377
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Speaker 4: This team went sick three before Cousins shoulder gave out

1378
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 4: and he wasn't able to throw the football. Then they

1379
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 4: went on that losing streak, it was bad. Pennix came back,

1380
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 4: they were one of the most productive offenses over the

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Speaker 4: final few seasons. And this is a guy who can

1382
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 4: make every throw. There's few players that can do that.

1383
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford's one of them. If Pennix can come in

1384
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Speaker 4: now that he is a full offseason with the first

1385
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Speaker 4: team offense, He's got an elite offensive line, elite running back,

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01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 4: an elite number one receiver, and a few others who

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01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 4: can emerge. If he can put it all together, I

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01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 4: think there's no reason why this team, which beat the

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Speaker 4: Eagles last year with Cousins, can make a push to

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Speaker 4: the Buccaneers now. I do think there will be questions

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Speaker 4: about the run defense. They lost two big interior run defenders,

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Speaker 4: one of them being Grady Jarrett this offseason as Jeff Ulbrich,

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Speaker 4: their new defensive coordinator, looks to make the team much leaner,

1394
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Speaker 4: much more athletic. They want to defend the pass first

1395
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Speaker 4: and foremost. But as we saw in the playoffs last year,

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Speaker 4: if you're going to make it out of the NFC,

1397
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 4: you're going to need to stop the run, and I

1398
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 4: think that's one thing the Buccaneers do a lot better

1399
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Speaker 4: than the Falcons, which is why I have some questions.

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Speaker 1: There is there still reason to hope that the Carolina

1401
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: Panthers have turned it around and they are the team

1402
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: that they look like they were in the last month

1403
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: and a half last year.

1404
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Speaker 4: I think hope is probably the best word that you

1405
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 4: can use about the Carolina Panthers situation. This isn't a

1406
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 4: playoff team in twenty twenty five, but twenty twenty six.

1407
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Speaker 4: I think they have been building the pieces there. Their

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01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 4: offensive line is probably a top ten unit in the

1409
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 4: league now. The amount of sax price Young took in

1410
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 4: year two basically have from his first year. If he

1411
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Speaker 4: gets that protection now with a number one receiver in

1412
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 4: Ted McMillan, you've got a lot more options in that offense,

1413
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 4: and their defense can take a step after losing huge

1414
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 4: amount of players and value to injury last year. I

1415
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 4: think this team can be a contender in twenty twenty

1416
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 4: six for a playoff spot, But I think hope is

1417
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 4: probably the right word to use when it comes to

1418
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 4: any projections for success in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: On the bill schedule this year, they will play both

1420
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Speaker 2: participants in last year's Super Bowl. The Kansas City Chiefs

1421
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 2: as well as well as the Philadelphia Eagles. You said

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Speaker 2: that you had a lot of optimsty than for the

1423
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills this upcoming year. Reading through your AFC West preview,

1424
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: you also said that the Chiefs record wise may take

1425
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: a step back, but you think that they'll be better

1426
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 2: with health and a bunch of the players that they added,

1427
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 2: as well as the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: Where do you rank those three teams?

1429
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Speaker 2: I know that the last time we saw Kansas City

1430
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: it wasn't the For Bills fans, it was very delightful

1431
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 2: to see, but I know that in their perspective it

1432
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 2: wasn't pretty. How would you rank those three teams? You

1433
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 2: could throw the Ravens in there as well. I think

1434
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Speaker 2: another team that a lot of teams have high expectations for.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a good way to look at

1436
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 4: the top four teams in the NFL right now. And

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01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 4: my approach is always on any given Sunday, any team

1438
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 4: can win, and we've seen that to be true over

1439
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 4: the years, especially when it comes to the Bills and Chiefs,

1440
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 4: where the Bills seem to have their number in the

1441
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 4: regular season, then come playoff time, the Chiefs able to

1442
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 4: pull it off. Whether it's a Dulton Concaid drop or

1443
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 4: some fluke penalty that the referee calls, but we don't

1444
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 4: need to get into that, or a first down when

1445
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 4: it comes to a fourth and one. I do think

1446
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 4: between those four teams, any of them could win. To

1447
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 4: sit here and tell you, you know, the Bills are

1448
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 4: better than the Chiefs, who are better than the Eagles,

1449
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 4: who are better than the Ravens, wouldn't be truthful. And

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01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 4: I do think this is a league that is so

1451
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 4: much fun to watch because we have so many great quarterbacks,

1452
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 4: and each of those teams has a quarterback that can

1453
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 4: just single handedly win a game. The question becomes in

1454
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 4: the playoffs, can their defense step up? And that's what's

1455
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 4: really cost the Bills when it comes to particularly Patrick Mahomes.

1456
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 4: I went through his EPA per play, which is essentially,

1457
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 4: in my opinion, the best way to measure how good

1458
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 4: a quarterback is against a particular team. His EPA in

1459
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 4: the playoffs is almost identical to his regular season numbers.

1460
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 4: The big problem is when he plays the Bills, it

1461
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 4: nearly doubles. He's been at his best in the playoffs,

1462
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 4: in particular against the Bills. His EPA doubles. He had

1463
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 4: his best playoff game against Buffalo in this past season

1464
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 4: in the AFC Championship game.

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Speaker 1: And I do think the.

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01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 4: Bills made a lot of good reinforcements this offseason to

1467
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 4: help with that third down, to help with that pass

1468
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 4: rush and in the secondary. So I do think they

1469
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 4: could change that this year. And as a not a

1470
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 4: fan of the Chiefs, I don't want to see them

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01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 4: win again. I'd be very happy to see Buffalo get

1472
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Speaker 4: past them and win the AFC.

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01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, from your lips to God's ears, we'll see

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01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: Jacob Robinson Athletic, Thanks for spending some time with us.

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01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: Really appreciate your insights to the division's rivalries and the

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01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: divisions of the Bills are going to face this year.

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01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thanks for spending it some time with us.

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Speaker 4: It was a lot of fun. Guys, Thanks for having me.

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01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: Appreciate Steve Tasker, Carl Jones. We're gonna take a break,

1480
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and get back to our Twitter

1481
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: question is who are you cheering for for the Bills

1482
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: in training camp? What individual guy you're looking at saying listen,

1483
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: I'd love to see this guy play. Well. We'll also

1484
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: take your phone calls and also get back to the

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01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: tweet sheet as well. So we wrap things up well,

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Speaker 1: here we are here till the top of the hour

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Speaker 1: thanks to Jacob Robinson from The Athletic. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio and this is One Bill's Live. Welcome

1489
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: back to One Bill's Live. Steve Tasker Carl Jones here

1490
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: with you till the top of the hour. We're gonna

1491
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: we put it out to you our listeners of you know,

1492
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: who are you rooting for the most? But during Bill's

1493
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,839
Speaker 1: training camp, we've asked you and we've got some feedback

1494
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 1: here on our tweet sheet. This comes in from Jenna.

1495
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,919
Speaker 1: I think it would be nice to see Maxwell Harriston

1496
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: get the starting corner job. Having two young starting corners

1497
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: that and obviously Christian Benford on the other side, working

1498
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: together for years to come. That would be great, Yes,

1499
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: it would. He's gonna be up, that is, Benford is

1500
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: going to be up for an extension pretty soon. They

1501
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: probably will extend, no question, they'll extend him and then

1502
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 1: to have them off set so in a couple of

1503
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: years they're not getting and you know when they get paid,

1504
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: they're ones at the end. Of the contract when it's

1505
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: a bargain and the other one's just starting a new contract.

1506
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: It it sounds great. It rarely works like that. Something

1507
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: always gets in the way of it. But yeah, and

1508
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: I think I'll say this, Max Harriston looks great. He

1509
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: was a smoo the athletic fast twitch. It didn't look

1510
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: too big for hims of course, as you have mentioned

1511
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: a couple of times they're in shorts. But man, oh man,

1512
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: the guy looks the part. He really does.

1513
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 2: I'm super excited to see him in the Bill's secondary.

1514
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 2: I think over the back end, at least of the

1515
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 2: Sean McDermot era. Let's say the last three or four years,

1516
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 2: they've had a lot of smart defenders, so you can

1517
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 2: say they've played his own scheme well. But how many

1518
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 2: of those guys have you felt our s tier elite

1519
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 2: level athletes. I wouldn't say none of them really were

1520
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 2: in that bucket.

1521
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: Benford doesn't fall into that bucket, right. He's got the

1522
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: tools physically, but he's not like a four to two guy. No,

1523
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: not at a four to three guy.

1524
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 2: And the fact that Max Harrison his calling card is

1525
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 2: the fact that the fact that he can run really

1526
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 2: fast and with any blows of watching him getting out

1527
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 2: of breaks at camp, and I know drills aren't the

1528
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 2: real thing, but.

1529
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 3: Just that and this, I'm a stickler for that type.

1530
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 1: He looks different and he moves well, you know, you're

1531
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: a corner. You've seen that stuff.

1532
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 2: That was the first thing I looked at. I had

1533
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 2: to see how he gets in and out of breaks,

1534
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 2: and he's really smooth. To see that translation to camp

1535
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 2: later this month will week cool to see.

1536
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: I agree, And I think it's gonna be really interesting

1537
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: to watch him play and see how he gets out

1538
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: of the gate in the preseason because he'll probably get

1539
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: some reps in preseason games and that kind of thing. Yeah,

1540
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm all about it. I think max seeing Maxwell Harriston

1541
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: get off to a really fast start would be awesome,

1542
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: along with all the other young players as well. From

1543
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 1: nose Ball, Trey White is one of my favorite all

1544
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: time bills. For him to return into being an elite

1545
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: corner is unlikely, but I'm rooting for him to be

1546
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 1: like CB forty through CB twenty would make Bill's d elite.

1547
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, having those having him be an elite corner

1548
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: would be great. One of the top looked like a

1549
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: starting corner again. Trey Trey was he was one of

1550
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,560
Speaker 1: those guys who was a technique guy, even when he

1551
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: was an All Pro in his second year. He was

1552
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: one of those guys that just just it's hard to

1553
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: throw on him, right. Wasn't a big interceptor, but he

1554
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: was a really solid player who would shut guys down.

1555
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: Take away passing legs, passes away. You're right bringing him back. Certainly,

1556
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: it's a place and he self, admittedly he told his agent,

1557
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: don't call me unless you got Buffalo on the line.

1558
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: He wanted to come back here. It's just another it's

1559
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: just one more story about the McDermott culture that he's

1560
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: created here. The guys want to play here, they thrive here.

1561
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: That's not a small thing. And Trey White is probably

1562
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: the poster boy for that, you know, the poster child

1563
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: for Sean McDermott hiss culture that that was an All

1564
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: pro here. So yeah, it's it feels good to these

1565
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: players to be in here to a place where they

1566
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: can thrive.

1567
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 2: Super cool to see his story grew up here, had

1568
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 2: children here, raise a family here, and then come back

1569
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 2: and bring them back to Western New York. In terms

1570
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 2: of it's actual play on the field. In terms of

1571
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 2: the injuries, obviously can go one of two ways. Either

1572
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 2: of those two severe injuries Achilles and Aco, may have

1573
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 2: just sapped them of what he used to be, or

1574
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 2: it can go the other way. As you know as

1575
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 2: an athlete, the further that you're removed from those debilitating injuries,

1576
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: you get more comfortable, you get more confident, and if

1577
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 2: you're a Bills fan, you're hopeful that now that he's

1578
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 2: two years removed from the Achilles injury that happened here

1579
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 2: at high Mark Stadium, that he's back to trade Wade.

1580
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: I've never had either one. I've never had an ac

1581
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: I've had my knees worked on and all that, but

1582
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: I've never had an acl never had an Achilles. So

1583
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's like. But I know that

1584
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:32,560
Speaker 1: from the injuries that I had and from talking to

1585
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: other guys who've been you know, we've been, we all have.

1586
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: All football players have friends who've been through this. Right,

1587
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: you just get used to the new normal. You, Right,

1588
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: your body's not gonna be the same, but it starts

1589
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 1: to feel like you and you get used to feeling

1590
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: like that, and you train like that, and you start

1591
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: to be the new normal, whether it's a repaired knee

1592
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: or an achilles that you have to learn to trust.

1593
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: The further away you get them, like you said, the

1594
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: more normal it becomes, and the harder you can play,

1595
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: and the more confident you play with, the confidence you

1596
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 1: play with, and you can start playing with what normal,

1597
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 1: what uninjured athletes play with instead of recovering athletes play with. Right,

1598
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: So you're right at this point, Trey White's got to

1599
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 1: be feeling like, I'm let's go man, let's strap it on,

1600
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: and that's that's a nice thing to think about it.

1601
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 1: And obviously from his first stint here, he's the easiest

1602
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: guy in the world to root.

1603
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 2: For, especially as a defensive back to where that's such

1604
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 2: a reactionary position where you don't want to think about

1605
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 2: how your knee feels or how your achilles feels.

1606
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 3: You just want to go out there and play.

1607
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, So hopefully he's at the point now where he's

1608
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 2: can just go out there and play and not think about, Oh,

1609
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 2: if I've stepped right in the bucket right now, something's

1610
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 2: going to happen.

1611
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 1: So Carl Jones and Steve Tasker here with you on

1612
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live we're asking you who are you rooting

1613
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: for the most during Bill's training camp. We've got one

1614
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: from Jordan who's it's a good one. So I'm cheering

1615
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: for Marv Levy because he turns one hundred on August third.

1616
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: Yes he does. I know, you know, maybe I know this.

1617
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: Last when he turned ninety nine last year, a bunch

1618
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: of my old team, the old guys like me, went

1619
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: to Chicago and spent a weekend with Marv and watched

1620
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 1: the Bills Houston game. I think that's yeah. We watched

1621
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 1: the Bills Houston game in a sports bar with Marv Levy.

1622
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: So that was kind of a bucket list thing and

1623
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: how you think about But it was like Bruce and

1624
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith and Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas and Andre Reid

1625
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: and Darryl Talley and Carnelius Bennett, myself and our wives,

1626
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: along with Marvi and his wife and his daughter. We

1627
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: were all at a place watching and we spent the

1628
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: weekend there and had some fun with Marv. He's doing great.

1629
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: He is, as I say, as a hall forget he's

1630
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame head coach. He's a Hall of

1631
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 1: Fame human being. And that's why all of us went

1632
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: back and spent his ninety ninth birthday, not exactly on

1633
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: his birthday, but right there with his birthday. And he's

1634
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: doing great, and I'm all for it. I'm all cheer

1635
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: for Marv any day.

1636
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 2: As someone who didn't grow up in the Bill's mafia culture,

1637
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 2: it's so cool from my perspective to be adopted into

1638
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 2: this and see how you guys are embrace everything about

1639
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 2: that era and just, yeah, I think that's so cool.

1640
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: For sure, it was. It was great. I mean the

1641
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,640
Speaker 1: and I know there are some Bills fans who have

1642
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: never seen the Four Falls of Buffalo. For those of

1643
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: you who have not seen it because you can't go through,

1644
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: it's very therapeutic for people who live through that because

1645
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: it is a different view of what the outside world

1646
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: might think about Buffalo and those teams. And yeah, it

1647
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 1: was a special group of guys. There's no question you

1648
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: don't go to four straight Super Bowls with that core

1649
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: group of guys unless they're they're different, and they are

1650
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: and they continue to be even at this point of

1651
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 1: their lives. So and Marv was obviously the kingpin of

1652
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 1: the entire thing. Having him turn one hundred is an

1653
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: absolute gift, not only to his family and himself, but

1654
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: to all of us who knew him and loved him

1655
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: and know him and love him. And uh, yeah, I'm uh.

1656
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: There has been a lot of conversation in the tech

1657
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: sloops and that I frequent about Marv and him turning

1658
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: one hundred and you know, happy birthday to Marv when

1659
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 1: it comes. So, yeah, that's awesome. From Joey on the

1660
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: tweet sheet, he says, I'm cheering for Landon Jackson. He

1661
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: should have been drafted higher. I think he's going to

1662
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: show people why. Also, I'm cheering for Matt Milano. If

1663
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: he stays healthy, he will remind people of just how

1664
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,560
Speaker 1: good he is. Yeah, too good. Landon Jackson is a

1665
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: guy for a team who has sought after an elite

1666
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: pass rush and hasn't been able to quite get there.

1667
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 1: Landon Jackson is really intriguing for a lot of reasons.

1668
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: He's a tall, rangy athlete, very productive at the lower levels.

1669
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 1: He looks the party. He's big, long, strong, and you

1670
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 1: know he fits that the criteria that the bill seemed

1671
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: to look for, you know, the traits. He's one of

1672
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: those Greg Roussols, Ajpanessa He's a long dude. Man, They're

1673
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I it looks like a hoops team out there.

1674
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 1: Sometimes the defensive ends are standing around. But yeah, Landon

1675
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: Jackson is an intriguing prospect.

1676
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 3: He definitely fits the profile of what they're looking for.

1677
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 2: He usually when you see Greg Russo out there, when

1678
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 2: he walks past me in the fieldhouse, I'm like, that's

1679
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 2: a large human being, so tall, and then Lennon Jackson's

1680
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 2: right next to him, Like, wait a minute, there's two

1681
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 2: of them now, So clearly that's the type of archetype

1682
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 2: there after, and he has a lot of tools. I

1683
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 2: remember watching actually when he was at Arkansas against LSU

1684
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 2: against Warn Campbell, who end up going forth overall to

1685
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots, and he flashed in that matchup.

1686
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 2: So I'm sure the Bills saw that tape and we're

1687
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 2: really excited about it. So if I'm interested to see

1688
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 2: how he looks at training camp and can he flash,

1689
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 2: especially in those one on one settings where those guys

1690
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 2: really are able to pin their ears back and get

1691
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 2: after the quarterback.

1692
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 3: How does he flash a little bit in that setting.

1693
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: The thing that always intrigues me about training camp and

1694
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: how those things develop, and we never know because we

1695
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: just have to watch and see. Is you see the

1696
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: We go out and watch them take reps and and

1697
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 1: you said, wow, that looked good. You know, this one

1698
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: looked good. You know when we tend to look for

1699
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: the positives and all of that and stuff. What we

1700
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: never know is what happens when the coaching staff convenes

1701
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 1: at night in training camp, and they always do. All

1702
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: twenty seven coaches or however many there are, there's a

1703
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: whole raft of coach. You know, they're all there and

1704
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: it sounds normal, but you don't know what it's like.

1705
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: And it's player evaluation. They go down every position goes.

1706
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: They go down their roster and say, all right, give

1707
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: us a rundown. Give us your list of players. Give

1708
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: me a rundown on each of them, real quick thumbnail

1709
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: on each of them. And they no holds barred. Plus

1710
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: mind they go, he is not doing what we want

1711
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: him to do. He's a problem, or he is like

1712
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: he's everything we wanted in this kid. He's getting better

1713
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: every day, he's applying himself. They give a they give

1714
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: an unvarnished opinion of what the guy's doing. And that,

1715
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: to me, that's what I want to know. I want

1716
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 1: to know what the coaches think of these guys, because

1717
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: they talk to them and they give them stuff to do,

1718
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: and then they watch and see if they do it.

1719
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 2: That's why I'm really intrigued to see how far Hard

1720
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 2: Knocks will dive into it. Yeah, yeah, because they obviously

1721
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 2: get those access that I'm not privy to it that

1722
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 2: you're not privy to at times. And if I would

1723
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 2: just love to see the defensive line meetings because I

1724
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 2: think that's the unit that everyone's most excited to see.

1725
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 2: How with all the resources they poured into it, how

1726
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 2: does t J. Sanders look in week three of camp?

1727
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 2: How does Dion Walker? I know he's dealing with an injury,

1728
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 2: so who knows to see how much he's gonna be

1729
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 2: used at camp, but hey, has he flashed a little bit?

1730
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 3: And then what about Greg Russou.

1731
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: I know he's obviously announced himself to the Buffalo scene,

1732
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 2: but everyone's hopeful that he has another gear all of

1733
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 2: that good jazz. I would love to see if Hard

1734
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:30,560
Speaker 2: Knocks can give us a little nibble at that.

1735
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: For a long time, and I think for too long

1736
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: for Bill's fans taste, We've always had this thing about

1737
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 1: Ed Oliver and about Greg Russou and aj at Panessa.

1738
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 1: We've always said, well this guy, you know, like an

1739
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: interior defensive tick. Well, they're gonna unlock the potential of

1740
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 1: Greg Russau, and they're gonna unlock the potential of of

1741
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: Ed Oliver and a and aj Panessa. This, you know,

1742
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: Von Miller is gonna unlock the potentially. Here's the thing.

1743
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: I want a defensive lineman that don't need nobody else.

1744
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: I don't need this guy to have have to have

1745
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: three other guys getting double teams so he can win

1746
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: a one on one. Matt. I want a guy who's

1747
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: gonna go no matter what they do to him. I

1748
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 1: played with Bruce, so I you know what I mean.

1749
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: So I see like Aaron Donald's out there, I see

1750
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 1: and I've seen Joey Bosa be that player, right, I've

1751
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: seen some of these guys who can just you know, yeah,

1752
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 1: you can chip me if you want, but your running

1753
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 1: back's gonna feel it. You know what I'm saying. The

1754
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 1: Bills are looking for a guy who doesn't need another

1755
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: player to unlock his potential.

1756
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 3: And that's why they threw so many darts at them.

1757
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 3: And especially continue to do that.

1758
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 2: The athletic profiles that they are chasing, I do think

1759
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 2: those are the type of players that you should go after.

1760
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,719
Speaker 2: I know that a lot of people see the bendi

1761
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 2: small types that are really fast off the edge, but

1762
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 2: I don't know how conducive that is in a three

1763
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 2: down setting. It's right because when you look at around

1764
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 2: the league at the best pass rushers, they are they

1765
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 2: don't come off the field no, And even Michael Parsons,

1766
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 2: who is a smaller player, he's different in how he's built,

1767
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 2: and he's so explosive and compacting juice stuff. Outside of that,

1768
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 2: they are massive. They are your Miles Garris, they are

1769
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 2: your your Joey and Nick Bosa's. They are built of

1770
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 2: that mold. So I think they're chasing the right archetype.

1771
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,799
Speaker 2: Now remains to be seen if any of those players

1772
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 2: within that archetype flash to that potential.

1773
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. So you know Rousseau, Michael Hoyt, who's off the

1774
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: radar because we can't count on him for the first

1775
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 1: six weeks, so everybody kind of forgets about him. The

1776
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 1: Bills are very high on that guy. You know, Landon Jackson,

1777
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa can one of these guys be a guy

1778
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: who is always a problem, not just when he's in

1779
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 1: a right combination with three other defensive linemen and they're

1780
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: all fresh, and here we go and I got a

1781
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,640
Speaker 1: chance and they're gonna single me that kind of thing.

1782
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: I want a guy who you know, I don't care,

1783
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, you just don't care where he lines up,

1784
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 1: They got it. He's a problem. And I don't think

1785
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 1: the Bills have had one of the guys can do

1786
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: that consistently. Now once in a while, no question, where

1787
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: you get a team where they're they've got a backup tackle,

1788
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,600
Speaker 1: they've got their tackles are injured, or guys trying to

1789
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: play hurt and they just take advantage of them. But

1790
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 1: the Bills need a guy or two guys whoever that

1791
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 1: the matchup just doesn't matter. He's gonna win it if

1792
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: they go one on one with him.

1793
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 2: I think when you get to the postseason, because that's

1794
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 2: clearly the point that the Bills are just trying to

1795
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 2: get over that final hurdle, you need that player where

1796
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator has to account for you every single play,

1797
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,560
Speaker 2: whether that it's moving the pocket, whether that is a

1798
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 2: double team.

1799
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 3: Also with the Chip.

1800
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 2: They've had players reach that height and Spurts I know

1801
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 2: a few years back at Oliver did play at that.

1802
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 3: All pro level.

1803
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: Didn't necessarily translate to the postseason. But if you can

1804
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,839
Speaker 2: have like when Chris Jones comes to town, Joe Brady's

1805
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 2: he's in his office, He's like, all right, we have

1806
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 2: to figure out what ninety five is that every single play.

1807
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 2: The Bills are hopeful they can get a player like

1808
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 2: that because it makes everything so much easier for all

1809
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 2: the other ten players out there.

1810
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: One last one from the tweets sheet from me and

1811
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: he says, Keon Coleman, for sure. I think he was

1812
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: way better than he was given credit for before he

1813
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 1: got hurt last year. And year two is his opportunity

1814
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: to be certified a certified X wide receiver going forward

1815
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 1: and silence his doubters. I would agree with that. A

1816
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: lot of people would like to see Keon realize his potential.

1817
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: He has not shied away from it, and I give

1818
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 1: him credit for that.

1819
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed his press conference earlier last month in

1820
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 2: the beginning of June, where he said, yeah, I wasn't

1821
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,600
Speaker 2: good enough, and when I watch film, it's either a

1822
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 2: pass or a fail. There is no grey area with that,

1823
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 2: and I really respect it out of a player, especially

1824
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 2: a young player who understands that on a team that

1825
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 2: has Super Bowl aspirations, he understands it really isn't much

1826
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 2: time for him to gradually increase and get better.

1827
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 3: It's go time.

1828
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 2: And he has the physical attributes that lend you to

1829
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 2: believe that he can take a step.

1830
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 3: It's on him and to take that step.

1831
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 1: Certainly, he's made some efforts. He's been here all off

1832
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 1: season grinding, so it'll be interesting to see how far

1833
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: he has come. Steve Tasker, Carl Jones. We'll be back

1834
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: to wrap it up. We're gonna take a break here.

1835
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: You're listening to Buffalo Bill's Radio. This is One Bill's Live.

1836
01:25:51,920 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 1: We'll be right now. Welcome back to One Bill's Lives.

1837
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 1: Steve taske on with Carl Jones, Channel four Sports reporters

1838
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,759
Speaker 1: joining me today. Is gonna be here for today, tomorrow,

1839
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: the rest of the week, right, I mean, yes, sir, awesome. Yeah,

1840
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 1: I'm uh. I'm here for today and tomorrow. Then Maddie

1841
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: will be in. We're gonna we're piecing it together here.

1842
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 1: Everybody's got to get their time off in as you

1843
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 1: know at this time of year, because we say it

1844
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, it's you know, no days off,

1845
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 1: no time off, let's go all you know, all hands

1846
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: on deck.

1847
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 2: I just got my time off. I went to Saint

1848
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 2: Martin actually in the Korean a few I've been there.

1849
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 2: It's great, it was beautiful.

1850
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 1: I wish I was.

1851
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 2: I will say I was grateful that when I got

1852
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 2: back to Buffalo it was already ninety degrees by that point,

1853
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 2: so I didn't miss too much.

1854
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 3: But it was very fun.

1855
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly that. Yeah, that's I can understand. Yeah, Saint

1856
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: Martin's awesome, awesome, And that's in the NFL. I mean,

1857
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 1: and most people know this this week, and you've seen

1858
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:56,759
Speaker 1: it in our breaks when we go to break and stuff.

1859
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: We show shots at the stadium and and in the

1860
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: field house. You don't see it, but in the fieldhouse

1861
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: as well. Kids everywhere. The Jim Kelly Camp's going on

1862
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: here all week. So it's got, you know, a thousand

1863
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: kids over here playing flag football, competing all the time,

1864
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: having an absolute they have an absolute blast. Jim's been

1865
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: doing this camp for thirty eight years, I think something

1866
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: like that, and it continues to be an institution here,

1867
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,759
Speaker 1: and of course the bills make the facilities here available

1868
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 1: for him and all these kids unfurl their talents out

1869
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 1: on the field.

1870
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 3: Who's the next Jim Kelly out there? That's what we're

1871
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 3: looking out for.

1872
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: Right right, right, right right, there's Yeah, there are more

1873
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 1: Steve Taskers out there than there are Jim right.

1874
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll say it's cool though, that those kids

1875
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 2: just could be able to experience this, and just I

1876
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 2: know they'll always remember this.

1877
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 3: I know as a kid when I went to a

1878
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 3: camps of this nature, it stays with you forever.

1879
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 1: There's something about being down the floor of High Mark

1880
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: and looking around and just you can only imagine what

1881
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: it's like when it's full. I mean, I've done it,

1882
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:05,759
Speaker 1: you know. I've been down and walked down that tunnel.

1883
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 1: It used to be a pregame ritual. I'd walk down

1884
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 1: because Jim wanted to walk out with somebody, and he'd

1885
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 1: wanted to walk out with the same person every time.

1886
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 1: So we actually literally drew straws. I got the short straw,

1887
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 1: so I had to do it. So I walked out

1888
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 1: with Jim and to walk out of the tunnel with

1889
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: that dude back in the day. Yeah, it's pretty cool

1890
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 1: to be a Buffalo Bill on game days.

1891
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 3: Have your ears recover from that experience.

1892
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's a bucket list. I would wish that

1893
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 1: off for everybody because it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool.

1894
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 1: And then and you know, starting the last season in

1895
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: the stadium, Oh, I can't wait. A lot of guys

1896
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 1: have walked down that tunnel. Man, it's pretty cool.

1897
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 3: I know they're going to do some fun stuff.

1898
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 1: So all these kids getting a chance to do that.

1899
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: It's good. Congratulation to Jim on his camp and having

1900
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 1: that go on. Thanks of course to Jacob Robinson for

1901
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: being on the show today. Carl and I are going

1902
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 1: to be back tomorrow and tomorrow we're going to try

1903
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,799
Speaker 1: and we think we've got Trevor Sikama from Pro Football

1904
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 1: Focus on with us tomorrow. He's gonna come on share

1905
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: with us some of the stuff that he's been working on.

1906
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: As we get closer and closer to training camp. Who

1907
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: are you rooting for for Bill's training camp?

1908
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 2: Real quick, cold, Bishop, I let me see what he

1909
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 2: does that back there at safety and here two.

1910
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's an important one too. Yeah,

1911
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: it's an important one. I would I would agree with that,

1912
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: I would be I'm cheering for Josh. I don't care

1913
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 1: if he's if he's playing it all right, all right,

1914
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: that's enough. We're out of here. Thanks for joining us.

1915
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: We'll be back at one o'clock tomorrow with Trevor Sickhama,

1916
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 1: Steve Task, Carl Jones. Talk to you tomorrow