1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Hello, listeners, it's once again time for it came from Reddit, 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: a special bonus podcast episode where I satisfy my own 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: niece fascination. Yes, that's what I said, with dramatic audio 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: retellings of one hundred percent honest stories I found on Reddit. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: If you've heard one of these episodes before, you might 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: be asking yourself, wait, how does he know these clearly 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: fabricated and exaggerated stories anonymously posted on the Internet are true? 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: And to that, I say, good question. So, with the 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: help of my trustye co hosts, I have recorded yet 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: another new tale, a roller coaster explanation into human emotion 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: and the fragile yet complex ego that again proves I 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: have picked the perfect new hobby slash total waste of 13 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: my precious time. And now here's our third installment of 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: the series, titled My fiance mocked My manhood at her 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: engagement dinner, saying I had bargain bin equipment, so I 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: slipped the ring off her finger and walked out, And 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: now her family is falling apart. Oohoo boy. It's a 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: tale as old as time itself, isn't it. So to 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: start it off, I admit it was all a bit 20 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 1: petty of me. My name is Cecil, twenty nine Mail, 21 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: and i'd been with my girlfriend, Vivian for three years. 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: We're both in finance that it's some mind numbing corporate 23 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: conference where the biggest excitement was arguing about the quarterly 24 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: projections over stale bagels and weak coffee. We hit it 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: off and she quickly moved into my downtown apartment last year. 26 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: Then six months ago, I proposed with my grandmother's ring. 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful vintage piece that had been in my 28 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: family for generations. About eighteen months into our relationship, during 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: one of those late night conversations where all the walls 30 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: coming down and you're just two people being completely honest 31 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: with each other, I told Vivian about something from my past, 32 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: a medical situation from when I was younger that left 33 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: me with certain physical realities. I'd never shared this with 34 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: any other woman, and I don't know why she wouldn't 35 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: know at this point, because I imagine we'd been naked together, 36 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: and I'm not comfortable sharing it online here either, even anonymously. 37 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: By the way, I said, my name Cecil and I'm 38 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: twenty nine. This wasn't something minor or trivial. It was 39 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: a source of deep personal insecurity that had affected my 40 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: confidence for years. The kind of thing that makes you 41 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: hesitate before getting intimate with someone new, makes you wonder 42 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: if you'll ever find someone who can truly accept you 43 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: as you are? Again, how are we not having sex 44 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: at this point? We lived together anyway. I've spent years 45 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: working through the psychological impact with therapists, learning to accept 46 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: myself despite my limitations. Vivian's reaction was everything I'd hoped 47 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: for and more. She was understanding, supportive, gentle, just in 48 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: all the right ways. She made me feel like I 49 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: didn't need to change anything between us. 50 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: This doesn't change anything between us. 51 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: She held me that night and whispered that she loved 52 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: me exactly as I was. 53 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: I love you exactly as you are. 54 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: I have a hearing problems, so I didn't hear it. 55 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: I needler to say it a little bit louder. 56 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: I love you exactly as you are. 57 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: That was better. That vulnerability was what made our relationship real. 58 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: That moment sealed our bond in ways I'd never experienced before. 59 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: It was the foundation of trust that made me believe 60 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: we could build a life together. But her family was 61 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: an interesting dynamic to navigate. Her father, Theodore don't know 62 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: how old he was, was one of those deeply faithful 63 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: men who wore his religion like armor against the world 64 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: Church every Sunday and Wednesday and Tuesday and Monday, sometimes 65 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: in the evening, sometimes in the morning. I don't even 66 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: think he had a job. Grace before every meal, Biblical 67 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: quotes for every life situation. He seemed like a genuinely 68 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: good man with strong moral principles. 69 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 3: I'd give you the shirt off my back if you 70 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: needed it. 71 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: But watching him interact with his wife was genuinely painful. 72 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: She controlled every aspect of his existence. What he wore 73 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: to work, how he spent his free time, which friends 74 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: he was allowed to see, and even what food he 75 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: ordered at restaurants. 76 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: He'll have the cobb salad, no bacon bits. They make him. 77 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: Fart, Theodore, which is not along and then fart. 78 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: Whatever you think is best. 79 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: Dear, completely surrendered his backbone somewhere along the way, probably 80 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: worn down by decades of manipulation disguised as marriage. Carmen 81 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: herself was a piece of work, one of those women 82 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: who smiled sweetly while sliding knives between your ribs. She 83 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: had this way of making comments that sounded supportive on 84 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: the surface but left you feeling hm smaller. 85 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: Wow, ceciul, you look skinny today. 86 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: Thank you. I figured Vivian was different than her mom 87 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: because she'd always roll her eyes at her behavior, But 88 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: apparently I was wrong. I spent three weeks planning our 89 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: engagement dinner, down to every tiny detail. This wasn't just 90 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: gonna be some casual get together at the nearby Olive Garden. 91 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 1: We're sure your family, but I'd wanted something a little 92 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: more elegant. I reserved the private dining room at Meridians, 93 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: easily the most exclusive restaurant in the city. They once 94 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: rejected Danny Glover because he was wearing sneakers. Can you 95 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: imagine that Danny freaking Glover too for this? Anyway, flu 96 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: Theodore and Carmen in from Phoenix, which is strange because 97 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: that's not where they're from, and coordinated schedules with my 98 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: sister Riley and my best friend Marcus. I arranged transportation, 99 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: even had the restaurant prepare a special menu featuring Vivian's 100 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: favorite dishes. No bacon bits, insert fartin insert fun that's 101 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: me fardin. I bought a new tom Ford suit because 102 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: what I really wanted was a Harrison Ford suit, but 103 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: he doesn't make them. Everything had to be absolutely perfect. 104 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: The financial investment was significant. I probably spent close to 105 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars on one evening, but hey, it felt 106 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: worth it. This was supposed to be one of those 107 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 1: milestone moments you remember for the rest of your life. 108 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's my engagement party. And that night started 109 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: out exactly as I planned. Twenty people in private dining rooms, 110 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: everyone dressed up in good spirits. Theodore said grace before 111 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: we ate. 112 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: Heavenly Father, we thank you for the gift of this 113 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: meal and the blessing of being surrounded by loved ones tonight. 114 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 3: Please bless this gathering and this couple, and guide our 115 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 3: hearts with gratitude and joy. Speak up, Theodore, gratitude and joy. 116 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 3: Amen Amen. 117 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: Indeed, I looked at Vivian across the table, and all 118 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: I could think about was how lucky I was to 119 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: have met someone who really got me, who knew my 120 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: worst secret and love me. Anyway. When it came time 121 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: for toast, the mood in the room shifted to something 122 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: more formal and heartfelt. Theodore spoke again, and honestly, he 123 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: moved me to tears. 124 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 3: Cecil has become a member of our family. The love 125 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 3: between him and my daughter, it's palpable to anyone who 126 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: meets them. God's plan truly did bring them together at 127 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 3: the right time. 128 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: Theo for Christ's sake, speak up at the right time. 129 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: My brother and sister spoke next. Riley talked about watching 130 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: me find happiness after my divorce. Apparently I've been divorced 131 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: before and never really mentioned it. 132 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: And it wasn't his fault, you know, she was the 133 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: spawn of Satan herself. I told him not to trust 134 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: a woman who wears sunglasses indoors. 135 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: My brother Marcus went next, and he kept his toast light. 136 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: But sincere can't believe he finally found someone who can 137 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: put up with his obsessive spreadsheet organization to research every 138 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 3: major purchase before decided coming. Come on, Bud, It's a VCR, 139 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: not a goddamn solar powered calculator for sentient bitchets. I 140 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: made am I right? Am I right? Right? Right? 141 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: Right? Then Vivian stood up and I leaned back in 142 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: my chair with what I'm sure was the biggest, most 143 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: contented grin on my face. I was expecting some sweet 144 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: story about our journey together, maybe something about how she 145 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: knew from our first conversation that I was different from 146 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: the other guy she dated. I knew I was in 147 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: for something special. 148 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: I remember the conference like it was yesterday. Cecil was 149 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: the only person there who actually seemed interested in discussing 150 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: something other than quarterly reports and market projections. Then we 151 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: had our first date at Olive Garden, you know where 152 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: your family. The waiter accidentally spilled red sauce on cecil 153 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: shirt mummy, and we just laughed and laughed and laughed 154 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: and laughed and laugh. 155 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: She said that for like the next ten minutes. Back 156 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: at the dinner, I was nodding along, feeling that warm 157 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: glow of content me you get when everything in your 158 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: life feels exactly where it should be. But then something 159 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: shifted in her expression, That loving smile I'd been expecting 160 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: slowly twisting into something else, entirely, something cold and calculating 161 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: that I'd never seen before. She raised her glass higher, 162 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: and the room quieted as everyone prepared to hear what 163 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: they expected would be a touching declaration of love. She 164 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: looked directly at me and said. 165 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: Here's to marrying a man who worships me. It's proof 166 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 2: that love really does conquer all, even when the equipment 167 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: comes in travel size. 168 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: There was dead silence in the room. Then she just 169 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: started laughing. 170 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: I mean, have you guys ever I've seen a baby millipede. 171 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 2: It's like that. 172 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: Her brother Nathan nearly spit out his drink, laughing. 173 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 3: Try again. 174 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: Her mom chuckled, and then Theodore nervously joined in. That 175 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: guy's so whipped. I don't even think he got the joke. 176 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: My brother and sisters. My brother and sisters sat frozen 177 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: in their chairs, their faces reflecting the complete horror and 178 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: disbelief I felt flooding through my system. The woman I 179 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: planned to marry, my trusted with the most vulnerable part 180 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: of my soul, had just weaponized that trust in front 181 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: of everyone I know in love. The cruelty was so calculated, 182 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: so deliberate, that I almost couldn't process it. The smirk 183 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: on her face told me everything I needed to know 184 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: about how much she was enjoying my pain. I slowly 185 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: pushed back my chair and stood up. I had sensed 186 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: the room watching my every move. I walked around the 187 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: table to where Vivian stood, her smirk starting to falter 188 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: as I got closer. I gently took her left hand 189 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: and slipped my grandmother's engagement ring off her finger in 190 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: one smooth, deliberate motion, while looking directly into her eyes, 191 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: and then broke the silence, speaking to her loud enough 192 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: for everyone in the room to hear. 193 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: You don't deserve this. 194 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: Then I turned and walked straight out of the dining 195 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: room without looking back, ignoring her voice behind me calling out, Oh. 196 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: Come on, it was just a joke. Don't be so sensitive. 197 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: Where are you going? 198 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: Oh? Did the salad have bacon bits? 199 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: As I left, I was systematically dismantling every assumption I'd 200 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: made about our relationship and walking through a cloud of fart. 201 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: Cloud of theodor fart. 202 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: A cloud, a cloud of theo fart? Had any of 203 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: it been real? How many of her friends already knew 204 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: my secret because she thought it was amusing. By the 205 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: time I pulled in my parking garage, I knew exactly 206 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: what I was gonna do. This wasn't gonna be some 207 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: mess he break up. He was gonna handle this like 208 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: a business transaction. I went straight to the closet and 209 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: started pulling out every piece of clothing that belonged to her. Dresses, 210 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: work clothes, that expensive coat, that shirt that said, don't 211 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: go bacon my heart, bacon. 212 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,119 Speaker 3: I don't go back and ma huhh. 213 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 4: That shirt that said these are less that's what this is. Dresses, 214 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 4: work close, that expensive coat, that shirt that said don't 215 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 4: go bacon my fart, that goes with my shirt that 216 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 4: said I couldn't even if I fried. Everything went into 217 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 4: trash bags. I went room by room, clearing out every 218 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 4: trace of her bathroom stuff, kitchen items, bedroom belongings, expensive, cheap, 219 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 4: meaningful or unimportant. 220 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: Gone. Took me about ninety minutes, twelve bags in total, 221 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: all tied up and ready to go. Then I sat 222 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: and waited. Vivian showed up exactly forty seven minutes after 223 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: I walked out of the restaurant. I could hear her 224 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: in the hallway fumbling with their key, then the confused 225 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: rattling when it wouldn't turn. Oh yeah, I called an 226 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: emergency locksmith while I was packing. 227 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: They got there in forty seven minutes. 228 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: Yes, they did cost me double for after our service, 229 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: but it was worth every penny. If you ever in 230 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: the Greater Victorville area, and you need a key maid. 231 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: Call Asmir. 232 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Asmir. Give me call. Why we can't record 233 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 3: these together? 234 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're ever in the greater Victorville area, I 235 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: need a key maid. Call Asmir. Guys it pro and 236 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: he'll chat your ear off about keemtrails. Hey, it's Asmir. 237 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 3: Give me a call, real man. 238 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: The frantic knocking started immediately. She thought she could break 239 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: down the door. 240 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: I know you're in there. Open the door. We need 241 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: to talk about this. 242 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: I let her bang for a full five minutes before 243 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: opening it just wide enough to see the makeup smeared 244 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: across her face from crying. She had that panic look 245 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: of someone who just torched their entire life in one 246 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: stupid moment. 247 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: Baby, please let me explain. It was just a stupid 248 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: joke that came out all wrong. You know I didn't 249 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: mean anything by it. I was nervous and trying to 250 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: be funny. 251 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: I kept my voice flat final and said we're done. 252 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: I started to close the door, but she stuck her 253 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: foot in the gap. 254 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: Wait. Wait, you can't just end three years over this. 255 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: I made a mistake. Okay, I admit it, but we 256 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: can work through this. We can go to counseling. I'll 257 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: apologize to everyone, whatever you want. 258 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: I told her to move her foot, never come back. 259 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: She stared at me for a few seconds, probably hoping 260 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: to see some crack in my resolve, but when she 261 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: realized that was dead serious, she let me close the door. 262 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: She kept bounding though, bleeding and threatening me for twenty minutes, 263 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: everything from promising to make it up to me threats 264 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: about the lease. She even claimed she was having some 265 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: kind of mental breakdown and needed help. 266 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: Can you please look up what I'm supposed to do 267 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: if I'm having a panic attack, Look on doctor oz 268 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 2: dot com or something. 269 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: I just turned down the TV to doctor Oz and 270 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: ignored her. I'm doctor Rod and then finally silence. I 271 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: waited another hour to make sure she was really gone, 272 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: then started moving the bags twelve trips downstairs to the street. 273 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: I could have used the service elevator to make it easier, 274 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: but I wanted to take my time and feel the pain. 275 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: Ohso I needed my steps. Each bag felt like shredding 276 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: another piece of dead weight, and by two am I 277 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: had them all arranged neatly on the curb like some 278 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: kind of serial killer. Finally, ridding his fridge of body parts. 279 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: I went back upstairs, cracked up in a soda and 280 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: waited by the window, And like I predicted, she came 281 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: back around three thirty am, probably thinking she could catch 282 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: me when I was tired and emotional. Instead, she found 283 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: her entire life scattered across the sidewalk in garbage bags. Hefty, hefty, hefty. 284 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: Oh you bet, you bet, you bet ye. I watched 285 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: from the bed. I watched from the bedroom window as 286 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: she knelt on the concrete in a wrinkled engagement dress, 287 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: frantically digging through bags and trying to salvage your belongings. 288 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: She kept looking up at the window with this desperate expression, 289 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: probably hoping to see some sign that this is all 290 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: just a dramatic gesture that would blow over by morning. 291 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: But I just stood there watching, like a creepy version 292 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: of Norman Bates Dead Mom. She chosen to humiliate me 293 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: in front of twenty people, and now she has to 294 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: dig through her garbage bags in a designer dress at 295 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: three thirty am. It seemed fair to me. I eventually 296 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: went to bed, but my phone started buzzing at six am. 297 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: It didn't stop for the next five days. Vivian's messages 298 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: went through all the predictable stages. 299 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: Baby, just pick up, I love you, I love us. 300 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: Let's just meet it Olive Garden and get on the 301 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: same page. Say so, what are you doing. I'm the 302 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: one who should be mad. You humiliated me in front 303 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: of my entire family just because you couldn't take a 304 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: simple joke. You actually owe me an apology. Listen, little man, 305 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 2: I know all your dirty secrets. You can't just throw 306 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: me away in garbage bags. I'll destroy your reputation. Everyone 307 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: at the office, your friends, your family, they will all 308 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: know exactly what kind of pathetic excuse for a man 309 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: you really are. You have twenty four hours to call 310 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: me back and fix this. 311 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: The audacity was incredible, but it showed me exactly who 312 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: she really was underneath all that fake sweetness. I didn't respond, 313 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: so she switched to bargaining. 314 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: I'll never hurt you again. I was just nervous. We'll 315 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: go to couple's therapy anchor management. A doctor will make 316 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: you huge, whatever will help. 317 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: Then Carmen called, by the way, do you have the 318 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: name of that doctor? Three days after the dinner disaster, 319 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: I'd been expecting this, so I had to pick up. 320 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: Hello, you really embarrassed Vivian. She was just trying to 321 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: lighten the mood with a little humor. Married couples tease 322 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: each other all the time. It's perfectly normal and healthy. 323 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: I mean, Theodore is the size of a hot wheel. 324 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 2: You don't see him crying about it. Maybe you should 325 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 2: think about whether you're really ready for marriage if you're 326 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: going to run away at the first little bump in 327 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: the road. 328 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: I thought it was time to find out exactly how 329 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: deep this rabbit hole went, Carmen, How often do you 330 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: and Vivian discuss our private life? 331 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 2: Well, mothers and daughters talk about everything. 332 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: Meaning what exactly? She laughed in that same harsh tone 333 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: I'd heard at dinner. 334 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: Ha ha ha oh, honey, I know all about your challenges, 335 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: Vivian tells me everything. How else can I give her 336 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: proper guidance about managing a man like you? 337 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: My stomach turned as the philoscope of this betrayal sunk 338 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: in what kind of guidance exactly? 339 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 2: Men like you need a firm hand to keep you 340 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 2: in line and remind you of your place. 341 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: Ooh, the puppet master finally revealed herself. I could hear 342 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: decades of manipulation in her voice. It was the same 343 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: technique she'd probably used to break down Theodore until it 344 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: was nothing more than a nodding yes, man, Carmen, I said, 345 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: my voice, perfectly calm and controlled. I want you to 346 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: listen very carefully. Your daughter betrayed the most private, vulnerable 347 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: part of my life for your entertainment. You've been treating 348 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: my relationship like your personal soap opera, coaching her to 349 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: humiliate me publicly as some sick power play. I'm not 350 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: your husband to control. She quickly hung up, and then 351 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: Theodore called, I don't. 352 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 3: Know what to say. I didn't know. Vivian and Carmen 353 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 3: were likeless shear it intimate details about your life. We 354 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 3: raised her better than that, I promise. We raised her 355 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 3: to respect people, to honor confidences, to treat others with dignity. 356 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: I assured him that I genuinely like and respected the 357 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: man underneath all that learned helplessness, and then I asked, 358 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: did you think what she said was funny? There was 359 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: a long pause. 360 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 3: God help me, Cecil. I laughed because everyone else was laughing, 361 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 3: and I thought it was some kind of inside joke 362 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 3: between you two. Baby, millipede. I mean, but what I 363 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 3: realized when had actually happened, what she'd really done. I've 364 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 3: been sick about it for three days. I haven't been 365 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: able to sleep. 366 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: I said, I appreciate you calling, but this isn't something 367 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: I can forgive. 368 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: Ah, I understand, son. I just wanted you to know 369 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 3: that's not who I raised her to be. I'm starting 370 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 3: to see a lot of things I was blind to 371 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 3: for too many years. 372 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: That was the first time I realized Theodore was blind. 373 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: I respected him too much to probe any deeper, but 374 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,239 Speaker 1: I could hear that the man was finally waking up 375 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: after decades of sleep. Good for him, but I was done. 376 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: After these calls, I began to rearrange my life. I 377 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: threw myself back into work and renewed focus, and started 378 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: hitting the gym. Even started dating again, nothing serious, just 379 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: testing the waters to see if I could trust someone new. 380 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: I thought the whole nightmare was finally behind me, but 381 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: then I started noticing the whispers at my office. It 382 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: was the kind of awkward energy that suggests everyone knows 383 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: something you don't. I chalked it up to paranoia at first, 384 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: but the science became impossible to ignore when people started 385 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: treating me differently. My buddy Jake from accounting don't know 386 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: how old he is either finally pulled me aside during lunch. Dude, 387 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: it's Jake. 388 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 3: Is it true what they're saying about you and your 389 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: your situation? Oh? 390 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: The words hit me like a ton of bricks. Where 391 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: did you hear that? 392 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: It's all over the office? Bratt, the guy who pooped 393 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: his pants at the Christmas party. He's been toaling everyone 394 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 3: who will listen. His new girlfriend gave him all the 395 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 3: dirt on you would bbe Millet? What is the hell? 396 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 3: My god? Real personal stuff? I mean I didn't want 397 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 3: to believe it, but he's got details that seemed pretty specific. 398 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: Apparently this Brett guy was dating Vivian. Now this felt 399 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: even worse than the original betrayal. Hold on, his name 400 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: is Jake? Oh? Apparently this Jake guy was dating wait. 401 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 3: Talking about Brett. 402 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,239 Speaker 1: Sorry I got sorry? Sorry anyway, and action. Apparently this 403 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: Brett guy, the pooping guy, was dating Vivian. Now this 404 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: felt even worse than the original betrayal. It was like 405 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: she'd studied how to inflict maximum damage and crafted a 406 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: plan specifically designed to destroy all aspects of my life, 407 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: and so I confronted Brett the next day. I courted 408 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: him by the office, but not too close because of 409 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: the smelling during his usual afternoon gossip session with the 410 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: other small minded parasites who fed on people's businesses. We 411 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: need to talk, I said, Ah, hey. 412 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 3: Man, I'm just sharing what I've been told. You know, 413 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 3: I've If you got issues with your junk, maybe you 414 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 3: shouldn't tell people about it. 415 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: The casual cruelty in his voice was disgusting. Brett, I'm 416 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: gonna say this once, and I want you to listen carefully. 417 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: Stop spreading personal information about me or this will become 418 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: a legal problem. 419 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: All Right, dude, relax. You can't blame me for sharing 420 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 3: funny stories with the guys. I mean, yeah, maybe if 421 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 3: you were more of a man, there wouldn't be so 422 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 3: much to laugh about. 423 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: My hands clenched into fists, and I considered introducing his 424 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: face to the coffee machine like Danny Glover and lethal weapon. 425 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: Danny freaking Glover, you really are crazy, such a good collba, 426 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: But I knew that causing a scene would just give 427 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: him more ammunition and more poop. So I stepped back, 428 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: looked him dead in the eye and said, we'll see 429 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: who's laughing when my lawyer gets done playing with you. 430 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: I don't know why I added the playing with you part, 431 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: and I know it made it very weird, but I 432 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: didn't have much time to think about it, and honestly, 433 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: I was caught off guard. I called my lawyer, and 434 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: by Friday afternoon, Brett and Vivian were both served with 435 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: a straining order citing infliction of emotional distress and interference 436 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: with business relationships. Vivian called me that evening from a 437 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: new number, her voice a mixture of rage and panic. 438 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: You're in my life. Brett dumped me because he doesn't 439 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: want legal drama. I could lose my job over this, 440 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: all because you can't take a joke. 441 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: I listened to a red for exactly thirty seconds and 442 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: cut her off. Stay away from me. Stop discussing my 443 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: private life with anyone, or I'll escalate the legal action. 444 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: This is your only warning. I hung up immediately blocked 445 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: that number two. Then a week later I received a 446 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: video message, this from an unknown number as well. While 447 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: eating my lunch at my desk. Think it might be 448 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: work related. I opened it and the first thing I 449 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,959 Speaker 1: saw was Vivian's face. She was out of breath, flushed 450 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: even the camera pulled back to reveal what she was 451 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: doing with Brett in what looked like a cheaply furnished apartment. 452 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: And then what followed was two minutes of explicit footage 453 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: that made my stomach turn, not because of the visual 454 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: content itself, but because I knew the obvious intention behind 455 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: sending it to me. She was looking directly at the camera, 456 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: and at several points throughout the video it seemed like 457 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: she was recording and performing for my benefit. And at 458 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: the end, while still engaged with Brett, she looked straight 459 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: into the lens and. 460 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: Said, Cecil, this is a real man. 461 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: But malice was breathtaking. I sat there staring at my 462 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: phone screen, feeling a level of disgust and betrayal I'd 463 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: never experienced before. This was the woman I'd planned to marry, 464 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: who I'd share my dreams and fears with, who I 465 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: trusted with my heart and vulnerabilities. I felt a measurable pain. 466 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: I remembered Theodore's voice during our last conversation, the pain 467 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: of a father realizing his daughter had become someone he 468 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: didn't recognize. I thought about Carmen's smug attitude, her admission 469 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: that she'd orchestrated Vivian's public humiliation of me as some 470 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: twisted power play. I realized this video would destroy them both. 471 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if I went extreme here, but 472 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: I made. 473 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 3: Several c her Dad, this is horrible. 474 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if I went extreme here, But 475 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: I made several copies of strategic portions of the video. 476 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: Nothing explicitly graphic that could get me into legal trouble, 477 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: but enough to show what was happening in the audio 478 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: of Vivian's final cruel comment. Then I created anonymous email 479 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: accounts using public computers and sent clips to Theodore, Carmen, Nathan, 480 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: and several of Vivian's closest friends. And then I was 481 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: shocked to see Theodore was the first person to call 482 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: me at six am in the morning. I'd never heard 483 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: of human beings so completely broken. What should become? 484 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 3: How did we raise someone capable of this kind of cruelty? 485 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 3: Where did we go wrong? I started to realize my 486 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 3: wife's toxic influence on our daughter. She has poisoned our 487 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 3: home for decades. I filed for divorce this morning, after 488 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 3: thirty two years. I can't live with someone who turned 489 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 3: our daughter into a monster. I'm cutting off Vivian's graduate 490 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 3: school funding too. She's got one semester left, but she's 491 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 3: about to learn what real consequences feel like by noon. 492 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 3: I also slashed her tires and now I'm doing whatever 493 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 3: I want, yes, eating bacon. 494 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: And I've kept getting updates from mutual friends and former colleagues. 495 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: Vivian had been frantically calling everyone in her contact list, 496 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: trying to explain the video theym it was fake or 497 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: somehow edited to make her look bad, but no one 498 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: was buying any of the desperate excuses. Also, Carmen was 499 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: in full panic mode because she'd never worked a legitimate 500 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: job in her adult life and had no idea how 501 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: to survive financially without Theodore's income. I guess she never 502 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: thought her husband would grow a spine one day, and 503 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: wood travels fast. In the world of finance, Vivian's restraining 504 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: order was public record, so someone at her firm did 505 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: their homework and she was quietly let go. Turns out 506 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: financial firms don't like legal drama following their employees around, 507 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: especially when it evolves harassment or harassment and defamation claims 508 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: or defamation clams. Without the internship, she had no chance 509 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: of landing it to job after graduation. She was stuck 510 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: trying to secure emergency student loans while working part time 511 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: at some coffee shop downtown, and Brett he got a 512 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: taste of his own car at our office. Management had 513 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: been looking for reasons to get rid of him, and 514 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: the restraining order finally gave them an excuse they needed. 515 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: He was called into HR on a Friday afternoon and 516 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: never came back. I already moved to Taiwan and changed 517 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: his name to Rainbow Sanders, which is an odd turn 518 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: of events I can't really explain. I mean, he wasn't 519 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: even really embarrassed when he pooped his pants. Then a 520 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: few weeks ago, Theodore called me one last time. His 521 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: voice was now strong, more confident than I'd ever heard. 522 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 3: Hey Muchacho, just wanted to thank you for helping me 523 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 3: see what my family had become. Man, I've been weak 524 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 3: for too many years, but I'm finding my strength again. 525 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 3: I'm an alpha now. I listened to Joe Rogan, I 526 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 3: only eat steak later on bro I have a cold plunge. 527 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: Dan. As for me, I've never been the workplace. Gossip 528 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: died when Brett disappeared, and I've been seeing someone new, 529 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: woman who understands that trust is sacred and secrets ared weapons. 530 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: She knows all about my condition and treated it with 531 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: the understanding I needed an acceptance, which technically is also 532 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: what I said Vivian was like at first, and also 533 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: my first wife, So I might be the problem anyway. 534 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: People ask if I feel guilty about what happened to 535 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: Vivian and her family. Simple answer, no. You don't get 536 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: to systematically destroy someone's trust and expect mercy when your 537 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: actions have consequences. Just made sure the right people saw 538 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: who she really was. I haven't even heard from her 539 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: in months, and oh I kept my grandmother's ring, said, 540 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: am I safe now? Waiting for someone who actually deserves it? 541 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: So party, what did you guys think? 542 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: Bacon bits? And I'm sweating. 543 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: Through my shirt? 544 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: Is that to do with the bacon? 545 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the. 546 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 3: Bacon or it's the betrayal. 547 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: Oh right, it might just my betrayal. 548 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: So he was. 549 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 3: Married before, but then the first person he ever tells 550 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 3: about his condition and expects to be okay with it 551 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 3: is Vivian. 552 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: So didn't he say it was like because of a surgery. 553 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 3: There was like some he leaves it vague. Okay, you know. 554 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: The point is he's not defined by yes, right, and 555 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 3: he's not to blame for it. But would he be 556 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 3: more to blame for it if he was just born 557 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 3: with them to be like a medical thing. 558 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: Maybe you're born with it. Maybe it's maybee, maybe it 559 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: could be. But it's one of those things I didn't. 560 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: It's like, I love they always do these where it's like, yeah, 561 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, and then I told that, you know, Vivian, 562 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell her all about it. It's like, haven't 563 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: you been living now? 564 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 2: Now? 565 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: Is there no never taking your pants? 566 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: So I feel like all of these are fantasy projections 567 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 3: of like people imagine the worst case in her right, 568 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 3: Like they're imagining, like what if I was at my 569 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: engagement dinner and my turned out to me right like, 570 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 3: and then you just kind of go down this rabbit 571 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 3: hole of like, hold have imaginary revenge for that imaginary thing. Yeah, 572 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: And it's like it's like a fantasy fulfillment for a 573 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 3: fantasy situation to begin with. And I'm always kind of 574 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: like this is just so weird and layered and like 575 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 3: I'm not sure why. 576 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's well, I mean they all the ones 577 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: that I tend to hear over and over that are 578 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: just in my algorithm are obviously AI for some little 579 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: little man who has a problem that gets to then 580 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: because it's never like and then I. 581 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 3: Do wrong with being a little man, be clear, But it's. 582 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: Like their I mean, I mean metaphorically a little man. Yes, 583 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things where it's like, not 584 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: only do I get to destroy her, but her family, 585 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: anybody who's looked at her. She they she ends up 586 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: back on my porch six months car for some reason, 587 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: that happens. I also contacted producer Jensen at one point 588 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: because for some reason, the AI has now decided that 589 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: in literally the last i'd say three or four stories 590 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: that I've listened to, the guy that gets cheated on, 591 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: the woman cheats with a guy named Jensen. Yes, so 592 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: Jensen has become the name that they picked. They always meet, 593 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: there's always the same thing, it's, yeah, what. 594 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 2: Have you been doing the AI? You mean Jenssen? 595 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 3: That's a strange name. That's what I say, because I 596 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 3: always fel like, I mean, there's definitely like certain names 597 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 3: that become like the guy Chad. 598 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah no, but this is they always meet. It's always 599 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: it starts the funniest. They're always like, Hi, I'm Jeff 600 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: thirty two male. And it's like, that's when I met 601 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: Carol at my friend's barbecue. It's always at a friend's 602 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: barbecue where he meets the person. And then it finds 603 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: out it's always the same thing. And then I started 604 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: noticing red flags. She started turning her phone over like 605 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: it was always always about the phone. She changed her password, 606 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: she did this, so, yeah, so I'm watching Susan like 607 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: a hawk. 608 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly changed the minute she changes her password. 609 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: Ye oh my god, mocks my manhood. 610 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,239 Speaker 3: So are there female versions of this, like, because I mean, 611 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 3: these are the ones that we've been doing are very 612 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 3: clearly driven by misogyny, and yeah, like they're fantasies of 613 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 3: like men revenge. 614 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, not just about the revenge, about the 615 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 2: woman too. It's also like and her dad is whipped 616 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: by this awful mum. 617 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, fine, I empowered everybody with my you know, standing 618 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 3: up by. 619 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: My funny is there are plenty of them that also 620 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: on my algorithm from the woman's point of view where 621 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: she destroys the man's life and then regrets it in 622 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: her life has been destroyed. So even though she's talking 623 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: about all creating, I can't believe I did this and 624 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: now I'm living in my car. 625 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: Are there any that are male driven about another, like 626 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 2: a male friend, like a betrayal by a male for 627 00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 2: at least it's man on man. 628 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: Crime families, though there's a lot of like my family 629 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: kicked me out of my house and they didn't realize 630 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: that I was paying their rent, so now I kicked 631 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: them out of this kind of like that. There's yeah, 632 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's things like that. It's Oh, the 633 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: big one that you get a lot of is my 634 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: brother impregnated my fiance and my parents sided with them. 635 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: Those are like the story after story of those, and 636 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, my then I had to go 637 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: to my parents and my parents are like, well, you know, 638 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: they're meant to be and now there's a baby in 639 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,239 Speaker 1: the picture. So I left for five years and when 640 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: I came back, I bought their house and burned it 641 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: down and Pete USh It's like stuff like that where 642 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: it was just like oh my god. 643 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I cooked them into a soup and 644 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 3: fed them to their parents and then told your child. 645 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: God Reddit or the modern day Grim's fairy tale. 646 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 3: They really it's like this weird subconscious release of like, yeah, 647 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 3: it kind of bummed me out. I'll be honest. 648 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: They're they're awful. 649 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny when I listened to like you doing 650 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 3: them and reading them. But I don't know, it really 651 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 3: kind of makes me sad for the American psyche. 652 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, I think, to be fair, it's it's 653 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 2: a very niche. It's a very niche, okay, niece, very Yeah, 654 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 2: I don't I would say that. I think this is 655 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 2: a This is kind of what Reddit is a little 656 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: bit known for. Right, It's where Reddit gets its it's 657 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: bad connotation. It's like it's a little bit of a 658 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 2: place for kind of the worst thoughts of humanity to 659 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 2: come out in an anonymous. 660 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: So it's longer Twitter. 661 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly so. 662 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 3: But don't you think that there are people the same 663 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 3: way that, Like, you know, if you read Penthouse Forum 664 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 3: back in the day, which I think those are, it 665 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 3: was like, you know, they fed into the sort of 666 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 3: male fantasies of like their stewardess is out there to 667 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 3: have foursomes with me and you know whatever, and like 668 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 3: that probably wasn't great for a whole generation of men 669 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 3: to think was real. 670 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: Right? 671 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 3: Is this good to feed? 672 00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: Like? 673 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 3: Is this good for guys to be fantasizing about? 674 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: Like? 675 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 3: Because it's one if there was ever a story where 676 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 3: it was like And then I took it in stride 677 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 3: and I decided to just move on with my life 678 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 3: and find a partner who was you know, it's always 679 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 3: like And then I sent the video of her having 680 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 3: sex to her dad and it's jus, dude likes right, 681 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 3: it's like the full I don't know's. 682 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why I because they're so absurd, 683 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: it's so ridiculous where and that's why you get titles 684 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: like this where you'll see titles where it's like, my 685 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: girlfriend cheated on me at our bachelorette party, so I 686 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: spent the next five years destroying her life. It's like, dude, 687 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: move on, right. That's the point of it is you go, 688 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: all right, well, thank god that happened at the bachelotte party. 689 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: You didn't actually get married, right, now, go live your life, 690 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: get your ring back, live your life. Make sure she 691 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: gets fired, destroy your parents and move on and everyone 692 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: knows that. 693 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 2: Noone knows that's what you do. 694 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: Do well. 695 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 2: I mean this although made writer sad, this is the 696 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 2: first time we've done it all in the same room together. 697 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: I think we should keep it in eye. 698 00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 2: I was gonna say I think so too. I think 699 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 2: can actually just keep it and Eric Eric the way 700 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 2: it was, it's it was so funny, so anyway, we 701 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 2: just get crazier here. Thank you all for listening to 702 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 2: this episode of Pod Meets World.