WEBVTT - Ep. 596: A Native Alaskan on Hunting Sea Otters and Honoring Her Culture 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:13.320 If this is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you, shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.599 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listeningcast, you can't 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.080 predict anything. The Meat Eater Podcast is brought to you 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.520 by First Light. Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.880 or scouting for ELK. First Light has performance apparel to 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.960 support every hunter in every environment. Check it out at 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.199 first light dot com. F I R S T L 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:41.080 I T E dot com. Okay, join today by Heather 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:42.920 du Ville Holy col Thanks for coming over. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.320 Thank you, happy to be here, beautiful. 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:48.120 You live in Craig, Alaska. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.479 I do. I'm born and raising Craig, born and. 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.880 Raising Craig on the outside. But we what we here 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.200 at the inside of the island called the outside of 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:01.480 the island. Wait say it again, we call that the outside. 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.560 Of the Prince Wales Island. 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:05.720 Yeah, like the west side of the island, the outside 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.200 of the island. Yeah, okay, And you were born and 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.920 raised there, and uh, I gotta plug something and then 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:14.600 I'm then I'm gonna ask you a bunch of questions. 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.520 But I'm gonna plug it by asking you a question. Okay, 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.600 we're launching a new thing called me Eater Radio Live, 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:25.440 and it's gonna be a show where we get it's 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.640 it's live now, Media to live. 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So you we will meet you 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.400 now in great detail and then we will check in 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.280 with you on that. If this is cool with. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.360 You, oh I love it, Thank you, and yeah, I'm 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:06.160 honored to be here. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:13.680 Okay, let's start with this. Your cling it, I'm explain 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:15.400 that to me. Explain that to me like I'm five 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:15.880 years old. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:23.000 Okay. So it's pronounced like cling it thhl sling it, 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.960 cling it, but a lot of people say clink it 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:31.720 because you know, when settlers came, it was easier for 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.520 them to say that, but my great grandma would say 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:40.440 sling it. So a lot of our traditional words and 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:45.440 traditional language is now difficult to pronounce for many folks. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:52.639 But yeah, I'm clinkt. My ancestry is from here. These 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:57.040 are our traditional homelands. My great grandma came from a 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:03.240 goon where's that. It's in a little village north of 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:07.800 here in southeast Alaska, but traveled down here when the 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.120 cannery opened in Klook. Okay, Yeah, it was the first 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.880 cannery in Alaska. 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.680 So that's what brought your mom to this island. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.840 My great grandma, great great to this island. Yeah, And 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.600 so then my grandma lived here, and my dad was 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.800 born in Craig and I was born and raised here too. 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:33.000 So yeah, these are our traditional homelands. And I'm really 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.560 honored to be able to carry out the traditions of 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:43.840 our people and practice our culture today still. And i 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.840 just feel like I'm standing on the shoulders of giants, 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.280 and I'm really proud to be here and be able 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:52.720 to share my culture with you. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.720 Yeah, that's the funny thing, because I'll catch like ill 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.240 now and then get the feeling all like, man, we've 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:08.720 been coming here for seventeen years. Don't tell me about dad. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.520 I've been fishing here for seventeen years. I can't even like. 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.760 That's the thing it is hard to imagine, is for me, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:25.400 is it's hard to picture being in a place where 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:31.160 it's not that your grandparents came there, your grand great 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.120 grandparents came there from some foreign land. But it's hard 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:36.159 to picture what it would feel like to be in 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:45.680 a place where your people have been there for thousands 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:54.720 of years, right because in my culture, like in my experience, 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.880 it's so uprooted, you know. I know, some people came 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:03.880 from Italy in the early nineteen hundreds and I don't know, 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.080 like at this point, we don't even know where the 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:07.599 hell they came from, you know. I mean it's like 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.640 it's so like for us to get a sense of 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.479 having been here, you know, like sixteen years feels like 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.080 a good run, you know, And I can't That's what 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:21.599 It's got to be amazing to have that, probably, I'm sure, 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:23.240 I mean you can tell me, but I'm sure it's 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.520 painful in some ways because change, But in some ways 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.520 it's gonna be disinvigorating. Yeah, to have that long of 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:30.040 a history. 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:34.480 You're right, it's you know, and our history has been 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:41.560 passed down through storytelling. You know, we didn't have it documented. 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.280 There was no paper pens, people weren't writing it down. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.840 So our culture has stayed alive for over ten thousand years, 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:54.560 and our cultural traditions that we practiced today are you know, 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.960 still a part of our lives today because of you know, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.520 the people that came before us, and they had a 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:05.120 responsibility to carry that on and pass that down, and 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.560 a lot of that is done through storytelling. So my 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:14.320 great grandma would say, you know that her you know, 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:20.680 grandparents came from upriver, so like up the Yukon area 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:25.000 is right, and then made so they're inland clinkets and 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:31.839 then made their way down to Angoon. And Yeah, despite 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:36.760 all of the attempts for Indigenous people to not be 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.640 here anymore, we are still very much here in practicing 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.840 our culture and carrying that on. And I feel like 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.800 I have a responsibility to pass that on to the 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.360 next generation, you know, to honor the people that came 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.640 before me. And that's just a part of who we are. 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:55.640 And you're right, sometimes it is pain focused. So much 0:06:55.640 --> 0:07:01.760 has been lost, you know, through colonization, and what we 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.560 can just really do today is really practice it and 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:09.200 revitalize it and honor who we are and share it. 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.760 And I'm really glad to be here today and share 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.880 this with you, and me being able to tell my 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.640 story and share with you about my culture is part 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.800 of that storytelling and and I hope you know that 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.520 you go and share that with other people. And that's 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:28.160 just how it stays alive and has for ten thousand years. 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:30.720 When I go to say the word like you're talking 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:35.520 about pronunciation, I'll hear people say, like people who not 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:37.640 familiar with the language. You know what, let me let 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.440 me do this before I say what I say. No, 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:40.800 I'll say what I was gonna say. Then I'm gonna 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:47.000 ask you another question. I hear cling it and cling 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.080 it right is one of those closer. 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:52.720 No, it's cling it? 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:54.960 Oh be your hat. That's like people aren't gonna fell 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:55.280 do that. 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.560 Yeah. People say clink it, clink. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.760 It, yeah, And that sounds cool. That sounds close to 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:04.800 right for you, I'm saying for me. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.240 And when you hear people say that, are you just like. 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:12.000 Take a stab you say it once? Clink it Okay, 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:12.680 it's good. 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:14.239 I think it's clink Yeah. 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.640 No, good, it's good. Do you do it once? Fling it, 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.720 cling it, fling it. It's like a like a th 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.520 h fling it. I can't. I'm not gonna run around. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:26.120 Clink and it's good. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.760 My dad would say, your great grandma would say it 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.520 like this, you do that. That's how he like that. 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:32.800 Okay, what does your dad say? 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:33.680 Same? 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:39.080 Yeah, give me a since we haven't established how I 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.760 can say it. Yeah, you can cling it, cling it, 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:47.200 fling it can get trying to up? Uh? Is that 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:53.080 do you guys like from Okay, for me, like coming 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.680 from from my influences and stuff. We would look and 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.760 we'd be like, it's an Athabaskan culture. Is that like 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.880 a is that the thing you guys talk about? No, 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.800 like a family, a language family, like the Athabaskan language family. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:11.600 No, I don't think we look at it that way. 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.840 You always say like, this is how we were taught. 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:18.960 This is how my great grandma would say it, instead 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.760 of like categorizing us into a certain you know what 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:23.839 I mean language? Yeah? 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.320 Yeah, And then you say a handful of things just. 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:30.160 For different areas. 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:32.960 Hit me with a handful of things just to get 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:34.040 a feel for the language. 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.960 Sure, So like thank you in our language is goodness cheese, 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.600 And I don't know a lot, so I guess I 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.120 should start by saying, you know, like I'm learning, I'm 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:50.360 always going to be learning. A lot of our culture 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:55.360 and language is lost and I hope to be fluent 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.440 in my language one day. And so I'm a work 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:03.800 in progress and always will be. So you know, I 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.040 hope those who know more than me will forgive me 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.200 for if I don't do or say something right, but 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:16.559 know that I'm learning and trying my best. So yeah, 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:19.880 my dad, like when we're cutting fish, he'll say plita 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:24.719 height and that means give me the knife height, and 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:29.040 that's like, give me the knife if you mess up, 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:33.480 typically like your aunties or your grandma, I would say, 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.959 that's like no good Like. 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:41.120 So that sounds that sounds like my kids. 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:43.640 Humor, and they. 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:48.400 Like, there's really one of our values. So I think clink. 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:53.240 If people are indigenous people just always incorporate humor into everything, 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.920 just a part of I think our healing too. But 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.920 my dad jokes or like I've heard people joke about, say, oh, 0:10:59.920 --> 0:11:04.800 I thought my traditional name growing up was my traditional 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.880 name is Kutink. I'm named after my grandma's best friend. 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:13.760 Her English name is Irene Pradovitch from Klook. I don't 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:19.640 know what my name means, but that's my traditional name. 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:26.760 My clan is sean Quaiti, so it's a really old 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:33.040 clan and if you look at the clan lists of 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:38.920 clan names online, it's not even on there. It's so old. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.240 This is my clan crest. It's tattooed on my hand. 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:48.079 This is permanent regalia. So after like missionaries came here, 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:55.000 the government made it illegal to have permanent regalia tattooed 0:11:55.080 --> 0:12:01.000 on on you. Yeah, this is killer whale. So my 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:05.120 clan is Shuanquiti and I'm eagle killer Whale. So then 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.600 later you'll see a lot of like jewelry like this 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.560 with carved clan crests on them, which is also eagle. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:20.360 Eagle wolf, killer whale. That's me. This evolved after that 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:26.679 government ban of permanent regalia because it could be removed 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.080 when it had to be removed in public. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:35.040 Oh you mean like when they banned tattooing, people just 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:36.240 used jewelry instead. 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.760 Yeah, it was it was like a culture ban. You 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:44.880 couldn't practice peak language to have your regalia when. 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.320 They put when they took kids and put them in 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:47.120 school and stuff too. 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.600 My grandma went to boarding school and wrangel and. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.240 Survived, and they enforced that stuff, but she came back. 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.400 And didn't speak her you know, our language again, so 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.880 it was lost. But luckily my dad remembered a lot 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.559 of it from his great or from his grandma, be 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:05.559 my great grandma. Yeah, so this is permanent regalia, but 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.439 this is my clan crest, and then this is you know, bracelet, 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:14.079 So this is kind of how it evolved. But you 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:19.280 actually take your you follow your mother's lineage. So like 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:23.240 western cultures, you'd take your dad's last name. In our culture, 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.320 you follow your mother's lineage. So I would have my 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.959 mom's clan crest and my dad would be my opposite. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:34.160 So a lot of what we do is really try 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:39.240 to achieve balance, whether that's like out you know, we'll 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.360 talk about sea otters later and like it's off balance 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:46.320 right now with the population and the shellfish and and so, 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:51.440 like there's two clan crests in our culture, it's ego 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:56.440 and raven and their opposites. So Ego and Ravens can 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:00.680 marry each other and you'll follow your mother's lineage. But 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:09.160 that opposite clan crest coming together like brings balance. Oh really, yeah, 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.320 so we treat our opposites really we treat try to 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.520 treat everyone really well, especially elders, but we always take 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.800 really good care of our opposites. So if Ravens asked 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.600 me to do something, I always do it for them, 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.040 and it helps keep me grounded and balanced in my 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:24.200 own way. 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.080 Explain your other tattoo on the other hand. 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:32.920 Yeah, so this, this other one is a wood hook 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:37.040 and in sling it it's called a nah and it's 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.440 a sea monster. And this is. 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:42.200 Can you get one out? 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:42.760 Said? 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.880 Yeah, this is the only wood hook that we've retired, 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:48.960 and my dad and I loved it so much. It's 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:52.640 caught hundreds of hal of it. So a little over 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.800 a year ago we decided to get them tattooed on 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:55.320 our hands. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:56.960 And you're holding the actual object. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.600 Now, yeah, this is this is because. 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.920 People there for sure, this is. 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:07.880 The enough that we retired. So it's here and you 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:08.600 can see. 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.720 Explain everything about how it's made and how it's set 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.640 and how you yeah you bet, and how you encourage it. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:19.760 So this this one is it was made in nineteen 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.840 ninety six. It's caught hundreds of hell but you can 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:30.120 see the teethmarks here, and each one has eyes so 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.400 it can see what it's catching. And this one's a 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:37.280 sea monster, and I brought thirty year old sea monster 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.560 and then a new one that hasn't been fished yet, 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.240 so you can see the color differences in the wood. 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:48.440 And I also brought an eagle. But this is you 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:53.160 would and this part is yellow cedar, and this is 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.840 a post contact hook. So you can see there's some 0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:01.440 modern materials incorporated in to this. But traditionally this barb 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.240 would be made from a bare bone, like. 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:05.960 A sliver of shinbone. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.000 Or something, yeah, like a leg bone. Yeah. And then 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:15.320 to secure that barb, and to also secure the two 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:22.080 pieces of wood together, we would use spruce root. And 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:26.480 then this part here, the line would be made from 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:34.240 cedar bark cordage. And so these are set in pairs 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:40.760 so they can compete against each other underwater. And they're 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:45.800 set on like a long line, like a skate type 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.680 of line, and they're set in pairs of two. And 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.680 the sinkers we use as a rock with the groove 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:58.920 carved in it and those yeah, yeah, And then traditionally 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.840 the float on top of the water would be a 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:06.879 inflated seal stomach that's dried. And then you have a 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:11.760 tattletale booie, which is about you know, this long and 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.760 usually they're in the shape of a corner app bird 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:17.240 and so it got a long neck, you know, a 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:22.879 beak and face and then a larger rounded body and 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.080 so when you had a halbit, it would tip up. 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.800 So I think these would be set and then the 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:30.600 people would go to the beach and like build a 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:31.679 fire and wait. 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:33.280 If you got it. 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.879 So these are baited with octopus, and you take an 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:44.439 octopus and you kind of shave the tentacles off in 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.399 a long strip, so it looks like a lot of bait, 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:51.440 but it's really thin and it stays light because you 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:52.840 don't want to put too heavy have a bait on 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.240 here because it'll affect the way these float. And you'd 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:01.200 wrap the octopus tentacles around this part and you tie 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:02.040 it with this string. 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:04.040 Oh, you secure it on it with. 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:08.000 Strings and it kind of disguises this a little bit, 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:14.200 but you bait the whole yellow cedar part and then 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.680 you lower them down. When you get to where you're 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.880 gonna fish, you lower them down, and you have your 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:24.520 rock that goes first, and then about one or two 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:28.840 fathoms six to twelve feet, you'd have your first hook, 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.600 and it floats like this far off the bottom. 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:39.760 And what would be a deep set for you guys, A. 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:46.440 Deep set, I mean they can go like forty fathoms, 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:52.960 you know, or you know we've caught fishing forty feet 0:18:53.000 --> 0:19:00.400 of water or less thirty feet and this yellow theater 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:02.919 part will float level. So you don't want it to 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.919 float like this or like this, So the two different 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.760 wood woods help it float properly. And then the way 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.320 you bait them, so then you set. 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:17.760 So those have like a real like uh. You have 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.639 to be very careful about the size and relative amount 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:23.879 of each kind of wood because I can't picture ever 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:25.520 getting that thing to float how you'd want it to. 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:30.840 Yeah, the shape, and then my dad measures the distance 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.359 by going like this, so it's like the width of 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:34.840 your hand. 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:35.720 Got it. 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.760 So you had your sinker, your first hook, and then 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:44.200 you have about two more fathoms your second hook, your 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:48.240 second rock sinker, and then your line up to your 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.679 float so it's not a big you know, it's not 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.320 a long set. And then when you set them, you 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:57.719 kind of like you said, you knock and hit the 0:19:57.840 --> 0:19:59.800 rock on the ground and make sure you wake up 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:04.000 the albit. And then when palbot go to eat, they 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.320 they can't see very good because they have you know, 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:07.960 eyes on the top of their head. So they go 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.160 up to whatever they're eating and they open their mouth 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.600 and it creates a vacuum and it'll suck this in 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:16.760 and then if they don't like it, they'll spit it 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:20.119 out and it ejects that barb into their cheek and 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.360 they can't get off here. You can't release halbit off 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:23.960 of here either. 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:26.000 There. 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:27.760 Yeah, so sometimes you catch a really big one, you 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.520 might not want to normally keep one that size, but 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.720 these are not for catch and release. But the good 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.280 thing is you're setting two hooks, so you know you 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.200 can't catch more than two fish, and you don't want 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.040 to over harvest. You want to make sure, you know, 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.800 like we maintain that balance and don't take more than 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:47.600 what we need. 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:51.800 What's your ideal size? 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:56.200 I think anywhere, like you know, like eighty pounds would 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.760 be good, or fifty to eighty pounds because we like 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:06.800 to have them filets like this long, because we take 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.080 the filet and like leave the skin on the back 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:13.600 of it and then cut like this long strips of 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:18.280 about a quarter inch thick halibit and then dry it 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.879 dried fish. We also lightly smoke it in the smokehouse 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:26.440 and then dry it. So typically we fish for halibit 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:27.800 to make dried fish. 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.320 And you brind that dry fish, just put it in 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:30.879 there fresh. 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.480 We brind salmon, but we don't brind halbit. You just 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:39.960 sprinkle a little salt on it and dry. We smoke 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:43.560 it in the smokehouse and dry it in a dry shed. 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:45.320 I say, when you use dry, you don't mean like 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.080 you don't dry it out with fire. You just dry 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:48.320 it out. 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:52.760 Yeah, right, Yeah, we don't use a dehydrator, just we 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:56.119 use spruce sticks and hang it over the spruce sticks. 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:57.920 They can hold a lot of weight. 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.800 And how do you can control is there a time 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:03.680 of year, like how do you control flies and stuff 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:05.520 when you do that? Or just that salt repels them. 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.560 Yes, we have a fan on them. Yeah, we keep 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:11.200 fan blowing on them. We have a little homemade drying 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.920 shed out of wood. And the drying time really does 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.760 depend on the time of year, the climate. You know, 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:19.560 if it's hot out, it's going to take less time 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:23.119 to dry, and if it's cold and winter time, you know, 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:24.359 it'll take a little bit longer. 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.040 What's the word you were saying that when you send 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.240 a hook down, they're down there to compete. But there's 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:36.040 a word you use to that you basically like to 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.240 a last word of encouragement. 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:41.680 Yeah, so you try to put good energy into what 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:45.280 you're doing and and everything that you do. And so 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:48.040 when we set these, we give them encouraging words and 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:53.239 we you could say jindagot, which is like charge or 0:22:53.680 --> 0:23:01.040 like fight, you know, or there's a little bit of 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.639 a longer saying too, where it's like do the best 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.080 you can. Your friend is coming to fight you, and 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:12.560 you lower them and say that, and then let's see 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:18.480 it's ikan way day agenda. Good ea cow. That's like, 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:21.320 do the best you can, your friend is coming to 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:24.000 fight you. And you're kind of telling both man the 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:28.360 hall of it, like we're coming to compete, So they 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:30.800 compete against each other. It's kind of fun, especially for 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:33.600 my niece and nephew to pick out which ones are 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:34.800 going to be set together. 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:38.960 And and you said, the eyes are. 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:47.159 These sea monster hooks have abalony eyes. So and this 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.440 is an eagle, you know, it doesn't have abalony eyes, 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.720 but it does have eyes so they can see what 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.879 they're catching. And you can see all the teethmarks in 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:58.000 that hundreds of fish. 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:00.400 Yeah, it's cool. 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:05.119 Oh you mentioned that you mentioned that you dry like 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:08.040 you get hal of it to dry. Yeah. 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:07.679 Uh. 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:12.320 Do you would you ever to take a piece of 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:15.600