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Speaker 1: Raising Craig on the outside. But we what we here

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Speaker 2: You, oh I love it, Thank you, and yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's start with this. Your cling it, I'm explain

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Speaker 2: Okay. So it's pronounced like cling it thhl sling it,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm clinkt. My ancestry is from here. These

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Speaker 2: My great grandma, great great to this island. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: When I go to say the word like you're talking

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Speaker 2: My dad would say, your great grandma would say it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, give me a since we haven't established how I

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think we look at it that way.

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Speaker 2: You always say like, this is how we were taught.

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Speaker 2: Sure, So like thank you in our language is goodness cheese,

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Speaker 2: Like, there's really one of our values. So I think clink.

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Speaker 2: This is my clan crest. It's tattooed on my hand.

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Speaker 2: Eagle wolf, killer whale. That's me. This evolved after that

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Speaker 2: My grandma went to boarding school and wrangel and.

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Speaker 1: Can you get one out?

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Speaker 1: Explain everything about how it's made and how it's set

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Speaker 2: So these are baited with octopus, and you take an

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Speaker 1: So those have like a real like uh. You have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the shape, and then my dad measures the distance

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Speaker 1: Got it.

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Speaker 2: So you had your sinker, your first hook, and then

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Speaker 2: they can't get off here. You can't release halbit off

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Speaker 2: I think anywhere, like you know, like eighty pounds would

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Speaker 2: about a quarter inch thick halibit and then dry it

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Speaker 1: And you brind that dry fish, just put it in

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Speaker 2: We brind salmon, but we don't brind halbit. You just

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Speaker 1: I say, when you use dry, you don't mean like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Yeah, we don't use a dehydrator, just we

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have a fan on them. Yeah, we keep

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Speaker 1: What's the word you were saying that when you send

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you try to put good energy into what

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Speaker 2: you lower them and say that, and then let's see

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Speaker 2: it's ikan way day agenda. Good ea cow. That's like,

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Speaker 2: do the best you can, your friend is coming to

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Speaker 3: And and you said, the eyes are.

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Speaker 2: These sea monster hooks have abalony eyes. So and this

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Speaker 2: but it does have eyes so they can see what

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Speaker 2: they're catching. And you can see all the teethmarks in

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Speaker 2: that hundreds of fish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool.

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Speaker 1: Oh you mentioned that you mentioned that you dry like

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Speaker 1: you get hal of it to dry. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Do you would you ever to take a piece of

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we do. It's Is that not a favorite fish?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It's so funny because we hear hall of it. Oh,

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Speaker 2: but we we prefer to dry it and then eat

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Speaker 2: other fish that you described your favorite fish, king salmon?

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Speaker 1: Okay, where do you put cod? We've been catching a

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Speaker 1: lot of cod. I love them. Cod is great, great,

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Speaker 1: like gray cod or specific cod.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't think I've ever had that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but you like lin cod?

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Speaker 2: My dad says it's pretty good. Yeah, yeah, specific cod,

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Speaker 2: but it.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't morning time. I'd fry alaham.

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Speaker 2: Sandwich. So yeah, prefer king salmon.

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Speaker 1: You like king salmon? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: Uh? I know the State of Alaska's are. You know,

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Speaker 1: it mean if king salmon were listed as under the

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Speaker 1: Endangered Species Act? Would you guys have an exemption? Would

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Speaker 1: would Native Alaskans have some kind of exemption to the closures.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like it, no, but it doesn't There

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Speaker 2: be an exemption for native not the way that I've

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Speaker 2: not from what I've learned, But yeah, it would be devastating.

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Speaker 1: That would be a real life. So if that's your

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Speaker 1: favorite fish and your father doesn't your father your father

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Speaker 1: is a king sam a fisherman, is he doesn't he patrol? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And my brother they're commercial trollers. But you know trolling

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Speaker 1: Very very selective.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, we've been here for thousands of

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Speaker 2: And you think about subsistence use, which I try not

438
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: to use that word because we try to say traditional harvest. Yeah,

439
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 2: to me, subsistence implies like that you're scraping by.

440
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: Or you know, well, it's also like a it's also

441
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: it's also a management term. Right in Alaska. It's like

442
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: you don't realize, but in Alaska there's like a there's

443
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: like subsistence regulations. Right. You don't see like a traditional use.

444
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 2: Regulation, right, And if you look up the word subsistence,

445
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: it really doesn't encompass who we are and what we do.

446
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: But traditional harvest or subsistence, if you will, is the

447
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 2: least takes the least amount from a resource. Resources also

448
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: a management term, because we believe we're steward. You know,

449
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: we're stewards of this land. So resource to me implies

450
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: that you're taking from something. But when you live here,

451
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: you try to live, you know, and be a good steward.

452
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: So if you take your you give back, or you

453
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: don't take more than what you need. And you need

454
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 2: fish to get fish, so you're not gonna go to

455
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: a river and just because you have a limit to

456
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: take and you see it's depressed, you don't fish. So

457
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: you might get five deer tags, but your household of one.

458
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 2: You might take one deer and then get one for

459
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: an elder. But you just don't take the maximum because

460
00:27:53,720 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: the law says you can no. And it's just about

461
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: taking what you need and then using what you take

462
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: for you know, to sustain you for that year, and

463
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 2: then you go harvest the next year, or if you

464
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: have some leftover from the year before, you don't need

465
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: to harvest that much the next season. So yeah, making

466
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: sure you respect yourself. It's called kaya ane, which is

467
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 2: like having respect for yourself and all things. So if

468
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: you have that self respect to do those things, like,

469
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: you'll have respect for other people and land, air, water

470
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: and all all the things that live around you.

471
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: Uh, your father and your brother are trollers, king salmon trollers.

472
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: What is there? What is the time of year that

473
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: they are actively fishing? And why didn't you go into

474
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: that line of work?

475
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the king Salmon troll opening is on July

476
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: first every year. And I'm sure you've heard, like because

477
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: of the essays and just there's been a lot of

478
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: pressure surrounding king salmon and commercial fishing. And but over

479
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: the years I've heard my dad talk about how like

480
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: you know, it's become less and less and like obviously

481
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: more people moved to Alaska. There's a sport fishing industry.

482
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: There's commercial fishing and more people here, and everyone's taking

483
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: a piece of the pie. Well the pie isn't getting bigger,

484
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: you know, it's getting smaller. So the reason why I

485
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: didn't go into that line of work, I think is

486
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: just because my brother and I are a year and

487
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: a half apart. He's a year and a half older,

488
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: so he was always going with my dad and crewing

489
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: for him. Yeah, and my dad is always like, you

490
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: need to go to school, you need to go get

491
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: your education. Which I did go for two years when

492
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: I came back, and he after I moved back, he said,

493
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: you know you need to go. You need to go

494
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: get finished and get your degree. And finally I looked

495
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: at him and I said, I am, I am in school.

496
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: You know, we're out in the boat and I'm learning

497
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: how to do all these things. And I said, I am,

498
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: I'm into school. I want to be in and he

499
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: he got it.

500
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: He quit beating you up.

501
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: And ever since then and before then, I've just been

502
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: trying to learn everything I can from him. And these

503
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: are the things that I really want to learn and

504
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: practice so I can pass them on, and that this

505
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: is something I can't learn in school. I'm not against school.

506
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 1: But where did you Where did you try to go

507
00:30:59,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: when you went?

508
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: I went actually went to Santa Barbara City College. I

509
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: played basketball there.

510
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: Did you play basketball growing up?

511
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

512
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: I was telling the floatplane pilot who dropped me off here,

513
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: that's how nice. He's so nice. That's how we traveled

514
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: for all of our games floatplanes in Southeast with charter planes,

515
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: and and we would leave from Hollis often and oftentimes

516
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: and go fly and we'd stay the weekend in other

517
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: towns and we'd have to stay with the opponents families,

518
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: so like we'd go home and like sleep on their

519
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: bedroom floor after we played them. It'll be all mad

520
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: whoever won or lost, you know. But we made a

521
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: lot of great friends like that throughout Southeast.

522
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: And so you went down, you went down to Santa

523
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: Barbara and you go to school.

524
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was good, and it was it's good

525
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: to to go and get that experience and you know

526
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: that perspective a different place, so busy.

527
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: You enjoyed it?

528
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. I mean it's the sun and

529
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: sand and getting.

530
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: All that oil on your feet at the beach. It's good.

531
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot about that I think it's important

532
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: to do that, and then you come back you really appreciate,

533
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: you know, mm hmm, what you have and and the

534
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: people in your life.

535
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: So so what do you, uh, what do you call

536
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: your business and describe? I'm sure I know you do

537
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: handful of things, but your your business of fur products,

538
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: for sure.

539
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: So I started this little business and the main goal

540
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: of that was to try to recoup the costs of hunting, processing,

541
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: and sewing sea otter for you know, I work some

542
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: I work with some seal skins because we do harvest

543
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: seals to eat. We make oil and eat seal meat,

544
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: but we only get about two a year, so I

545
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: mainly work with seotter for But I started the business

546
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: to try to sell items to recoup the costs of

547
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: for hunting. So in this region, you know, Southeast Alaska

548
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: spans a distance of thirteen states, so it's enormous. You know,

549
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: if you look at it on a map, doesn't look

550
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: that big, but it's it's a humongous region. And a

551
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: recent aerial survey show that there's like twenty two to

552
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: twenty five thousand sea otter in this region. And I'm

553
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: not sure, well, I guess I should ask, do you

554
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: want the lengthy answer to that question?

555
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I want the big, lengthy answer, and I

556
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: want you to explain who can hunt seatters and who can't.

557
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: I'll cover it all. So now today there's like twenty

558
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: five thousand seatter in the region. Historically, you know, there

559
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: was the commercial fur trade. You know, for about one

560
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years, Russians enslaved Alaska natives hunt and

561
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: they would sell the first commercially, primarily to China. So

562
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: for about one hundred and fifty years there was a

563
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: commercial fur trade in Alaska and over a million sea

564
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: otters were taken. And then in nineteen eleven there was

565
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: a Seal Furst Seal Treaty signed, which put a stop

566
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 2: to that commercial fur trade, which also put a halt

567
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: to the harvest of sea otters. They're almost extinct, so

568
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: there's zero seaatters left in southeast Alaska, or nearly zero.

569
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 2: And then so that was in nineteen eleven, and then

570
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: there was am Chica Island in the Lutians is the

571
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: largest nuclear test site in the US, and so they

572
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: were planning the government was planning to have some nuclear

573
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: tests in the late sixties nineteen sixties at m Chicut,

574
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: and they were concerned about how that would affect the

575
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: sea otter population. So in the late sixties they actually

576
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: captured four hundred around four hundred sea otters and put

577
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: them in these metal canals with water in them, and

578
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: flew them to southeast Alaska and relocated about four hundred

579
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: of them to seven different areas.

580
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: Oh so it was like a reintroduction. I didn't know that.

581
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I believe one of the areas is now

582
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: it's called Seatter Sound, you know, Prince Wales. So so

583
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: they were reintroduced here in the late sixties. And then

584
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: there was that massive nuclear test in nineteen seventy one

585
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: in m Chitcot. It was like hundreds of times larger

586
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: than the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima, and it

587
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 2: was like a mile down underground and it created such

588
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: a huge explosion that it actually wiped out I think

589
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: over nine hundred seatters, so a lot more than they

590
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: thought would die. Now I'm going off on a tandy here,

591
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: but that's why green Peace was formed. There was a

592
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: group of people from Canada nineteen seventy one who are

593
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: protesting that nuclear test in the name of the boat

594
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: that they tried to travel to protest. That test was

595
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: called green peace, and so they tried to make it

596
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: all the way uptown Chitka to stop the bomb.

597
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: Was the genesis of green Peace.

598
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 2: So then the Marine Mammal Protection Act was put in place,

599
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 2: I believe in nineteen seventy two, which part of that

600
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: the Marine Mammal Protection Act states that you must be

601
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: a certain blood quantum of coastal and Alaska native blood

602
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: quantum it's twenty five percent in order to hunt the otter.

603
00:37:53,000 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: And today you know, there aren't that many people who

604
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: are qualified to hunt through the eligibility rules of the

605
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: Marine Mammal Protection Yeah, do.

606
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: You have any idea how many, like just to take

607
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: on Prince Wales Island, Do you have any idea how

608
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: many how many people are twenty five percent costal Native?

609
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: I don't know how many meet the eligibility, but I

610
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: do know like it's illegal for me to teach my

611
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: niece and nephew how to work with furs. They can't

612
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: make seal oil, they can't cook the meat, they cannot

613
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 2: help skin one. So there's it's like criminalizing our cultural

614
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: passed down Hakustai, our way of life because we want

615
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: to be able to you know, our culture has survived

616
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: this long despite all the attempts to make it not survive,

617
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 2: and it really deserves to be passed down for that

618
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: much longer. And I don't know how many people qualify,

619
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: but I do know. I don't know, but I do

620
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: know there's only about thirty five hunters in the region.

621
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: So there's very little incentive to hunt because another part

622
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 2: of the Marine Mammal Protection Acts states that you must

623
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: convert the pelts into a sellable item to try to

624
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: recoup the costs of the cell it. You have to

625
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: significantly alter the pelts so you can't make them whole again,

626
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: So you cannot sell whole pelts.

627
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: I you can't just shoot a sea otter, flash it,

628
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: stretch it, dry it, and send it to a.

629
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: Firm market right, or send it off to get it

630
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: tanned and then sell a whole tanned pelt. I brought

631
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: some pelts to show you too. But so by the

632
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: time you know how to hunt and then go harvest

633
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: sea otter skin, flesh, salt, get it tanned, get it home,

634
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: learn how to sew, or have had somebody teach you

635
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: how convert the you know, cut it so it make

636
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: your pattern, get it right, and then have it the

637
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: quality that somebody wants to buy and then market those items.

638
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: It really I don't think you're ever going to make

639
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 2: your money back. But so a long answer to your

640
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: question is, I started this business. It's called Coastal Fur

641
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: and Leather, and it's just to sell the items that

642
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 2: I make to try to recoup some of those costs.

643
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: Because there's so many seaotter in this region now and

644
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: so few hunters that are traditional food security is at risk.

645
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: So you know, for ten thousand years we've harvested shellfish

646
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: from our intertitle zones here, which are now there's so

647
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: many sea otter in the area and they eat twenty

648
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: five percent of their body weight in shell fish a day.

649
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: So the average sea otter, let's say it weighs, you know,

650
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: seventy eighty pounds, could be eating anywhere from fifteen to

651
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 2: twenty pounds of seafood a day every day.

652
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: And can you pull out with that big ass hide

653
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: just to show for sure? I was when you pulled

654
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: that out earlier, I was quite surprised.

655
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, Yeah, so they do.

656
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: That one of those could get that big, Yeah.

657
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: They get up to one hundred pounds.

658
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 3: I had a couple of years ago salt like thirty

659
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: of them altogether, and like, I didn't know that they

660
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 3: ate that much. Yeah, just thinking about like how much

661
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: seafood that thirty of those things can eating in the day.

662
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 3: It's crazy. Yeah.

663
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: So in where we used to harvest sea urchins and avaloni,

664
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: last year we were able to get a few, well

665
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: about ten seotter moved in there and there's none left.

666
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: So just ten otter in a small area can really

667
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 2: do some damage and then you know, it takes years,

668
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: fifty years before it'll recover, you know. But here's here's

669
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: the pelt man.

670
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: Look at it.

671
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: Think it's like a bear's I measure it's fifty eight

672
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: inches long.

673
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: Tell folks about some of the qualities of the hair.

674
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so they do have guard hair, but it's

675
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: not like you know, like a beaver, where it's like

676
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: long hairs. They're really close. The guard hair is really

677
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: close and linked to their undercoat, and they have about

678
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: a million hairs per square inch. So there's more hair

679
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: in one square inch of a sea otter than there

680
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: is on an entire German shepherd. Just to kind of

681
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: put in for the perspective, and seattter don't have a

682
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: fat layer like seals, so they actually have a really

683
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: high metabolism that they rely on, you know, for warmth.

684
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: And then also this undercoat it stays dry, and they're

685
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 2: always grooming themselves to make sure they're fur is staying

686
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: the way it needs to be to be able to

687
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: trap that air and and keep them warm. So their

688
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: guard hair gets wet, but this underlayer stays dry, and

689
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: you know, unless they're diving down and then the pressure

690
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: will push you know, water back into there and so

691
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: they'll they'll come up and you'll see them grooming a lot.

692
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: So they do have really unique fur. I learned that

693
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: in the fur trade era it was referred to as

694
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: soft gold. And yeah, they have different so they have

695
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: different like textures and colors, so each one is very unique.

696
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: And you know, I brought a couple here and you

697
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: can see, like this one's curly, you can actually see that.

698
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: But they are incredibly soft and just.

699
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: Wild.

700
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 3: You were saying these things.

701
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: Three feet Yeah, so they can dive up to three

702
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: hundred feet, but I think they they don't prefer to

703
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: do that. So you'll find them in a lot in

704
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: the shallow intertidal areas where we're also trying to harvest

705
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: shellfish from those areas. You know, they're hanging out there

706
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: because it's easier to dive, food's more accessible, it's easier

707
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: to get. And yeah, you may see a raft of

708
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 2: thirty or three hundred a lot of times in males.

709
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 2: Bigger males will be like loaners. You see singles kind

710
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: of floating here and there. Typically those tend to be

711
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: like a male, big male. But I learned that hunters

712
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 2: have the ability to collect the most data on these

713
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: because we're the ones, you know, skinning them. And yep,

714
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: I think a lot of biologists they can't harvest, so

715
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: they can observe to collect data. So I really I

716
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: was worried about traditional food security and started to up

717
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: my game as far as hunting goes. So my dad

718
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: and I we hunted like over one hundred and seventy

719
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: this winter, which is.

720
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 3: A lot of and there's no yeah, there's no limit

721
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: for you guys.

722
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: Right right and at the rest that's the hell.

723
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: But you got so when you send one hundred and

724
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: seventy in to start making all your hats and other products, Yeah,

725
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: they're about Well, we talked on the phone one time

726
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned what A what.

727
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: A There are one hundred dollars each to tan.

728
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: Yes, you got a big out of pocket expenditure. And

729
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: normal normal like fur trap or whatever. It's like. You

730
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: get it, you put it up, it's out the door.

731
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: You don't need to invest more money, right, yeah, into

732
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: like tanning it, you.

733
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: Know, gratefully. Like I know how to sew, so my

734
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: auntie taught me how to make moccasins when I was twelve,

735
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: But I actually learned to sew with leather when my

736
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: parents had regalia made for me when I was in

737
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: second grade. They had a deer skin dress made for

738
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 2: me and I took the scraps and I made matching

739
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: regalia for my barbie. And that's what was my first

740
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: experience working with leather, and I always liked it. And

741
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: then I learned how to make moains when I was twelve.

742
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: But you know, the items I sell, they they are

743
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: like higher price, but they actually don't sell for as

744
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: much as what they would be appraised for because of

745
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: the value is a lot higher than what the items

746
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: sell for, but they last forever. So my mockasins that

747
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: I made when I was twelve. They stretched as my

748
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 2: foot grew and they just wore through. So they lasted

749
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: almost twenty five years.

750
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, I'm doing the math.

751
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: Well, I'm thirty eight. They were out last year and

752
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: I have avoided making myself a new pair until this year.

753
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: I wore them with a big hole in them. So yeah,

754
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: So it was about eighteen thousand to tan those pelts.

755
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: Plus it's to send out thirty to thirty five salted

756
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: dried pelts. It's about six hundred dollars in shipping one way,

757
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: and that's about half that to ship them back.

758
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: What I thought was funny is like we send stuff

759
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: off every year just to do things, you know, product

760
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: we just have stuff made, like yeah, it'sat that like

761
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: big beaver blankets, you know, but we use that oil.

762
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

763
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: And when I asked you where you sent them to

764
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: and you said oil, I thought that was fine.

765
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was telling you. So you get a discount

766
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: if you sell or if you send like a certain amount.

767
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: So I think it's twenty one pelts too. You know,

768
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get this wrong, but there's like a range

769
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: where it's.

770
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: It's like zero to ten, ten to twenty twenty or whatever.

771
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: There's also a break if you send like over a hundred,

772
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: so I try to send a whole lot and you

773
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: get a little bit of a price break, which if

774
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: you're sending that many, it's definitely worth it.

775
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 3: It makes a difference.

776
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: And there's not not every tannery can tan Marine Mammal

777
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: for so, there's only about five tanneries on the list

778
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: right now that can tan sea otters. Oil Mink is

779
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: one of them, and they do a tremendous job. You know,

780
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: if you look at the back.

781
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: It's a classy outfit man there, but just just like

782
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: interacting with it online and stuff, it's a classy outfit.

783
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: And the customer service is good.

784
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they actually don't do online for sea otters,

785
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: but they are great. And you know, you put so

786
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: much into these, Like when I send them off and

787
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh gosh, you know, please make it down

788
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: there and please let them come back to.

789
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: You. Alos want to fly them down yourself.

790
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: When they come back. They're beautiful, like this is nice

791
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: cream colored, it's really soft. You know, see ours smell

792
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: really bad, So you want to make sure sending them

793
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: to a good tanner so they don't come back stinky.

794
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: I've seen some got where they come back and they smell, So.

795
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: I need to see that curly one again.

796
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, this, this one's pretty unique. And I actually got

797
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 2: like five out of the batch that we're curly, which

798
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: you don't really find that often.

799
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: Then, how much time are you spending? Like, how are

800
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: you when are you doing your sewing? That is wild man?

801
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's typically a winter activity, you know, where

802
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: the day light hours are shorter and our heart our

803
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: food harvest seasons over. So after I get my deer,

804
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: you know, in the fall, I start sewing and hunting

805
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: because you're trying to replenish your materials for next, you know,

806
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: the next sewing season. But I hunt, you know, to

807
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 2: preserve you know, our traditional foods security and also to

808
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 2: be able to continue to practice my culture and pass

809
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: that down.

810
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 3: How do you go about hunting these?

811
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's your strategy.

812
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this, so I was thinking about

813
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: showing you this, but it looks so funny because I

814
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: went insided in my my gun a couple of days ago.

815
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: I was practicing my boat stance for hunting sarter and

816
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: shooting at the gong to make sure I would be

817
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: able to get one. So it's a lot easier if

818
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 2: you have a driver. The driver has to be eligible

819
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: to hunt.

820
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: They do so quantum.

821
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my dad and I usually go together, but

822
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: I have gone alone. It's definitely a lot harder. So

823
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: when you get one, you're like woo, you know, like

824
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: I did good. But so you typically shoot from the boat.

825
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can get off on a rock, but it's

826
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 2: really not common because they're smart and they adapt. So

827
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: sea otters that have been hunted before they know what's

828
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: going on and they get out of there real fast.

829
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,479
Speaker 2: So if you're cruising by, you know, if you're going

830
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: sport fishing or just cruising on step on your boat,

831
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,959
Speaker 2: they'll just look. But if you slow down, they know,

832
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: especially the one you know, the ones that have been

833
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 2: hunted before. You can tell when one hasn't.

834
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: We hunt an animal? Uh? You probably for prong horn

835
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: or antelope? Right, And it's funny, man, you could like

836
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: cars could drive by a sixty miles an hour all day.

837
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: Someone just slowed down there. They know what's up.

838
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: It's totally different. Yeah, my dad's like, we need to

839
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: get a recording of a boat going you know on

840
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: step and play it as you're idling up. But okay,

841
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: so you I was shooting with up until Christmas. My

842
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: dad got me an ar for Christmas, but until then

843
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: I had a pre sixty four twenty two hornet is

844
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 2: re chambered to a two twenty two. It's real heavy. Yeah,

845
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: has like a one and a half pound trigger pull.

846
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 2: So you know you think about shooting and it's going

847
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 2: to shoot because.

848
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: You got it. You're shutting off the rail of the boat,

849
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: which is not stable.

850
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 2: Well no, not the rail, yeah, just off hand.

851
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: Oh so you're in the boat off hand, Yeah, because.

852
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: You don't want to rest on the boat because the

853
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: boat's moving. So the stance is that.

854
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: See how that's that's good. No, I mean I'm not

855
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: going to put put it to use, but I would

856
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: have pictured like shooting off a boat. I would have

857
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: pictured you would use the rail and somehow like touch

858
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: the trigger at that's not what you're doing, well.

859
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: Not off a rest, but you do time it so

860
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: your driver or you if you're driving, you want to

861
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 2: go around the seatters, so where you're lined up to

862
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 2: go with the chop, not against it. So you want

863
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: to kind of make sure you know where the CHOP's

864
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: going and get on that side. And then you're going

865
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: with the chops with less less bouncy, and then you

866
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: stand up and you bend your knees. Stand okay, this

867
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 2: bench just kind of so you stand up and you

868
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: bend your knees and you kind of get on your

869
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 2: tippy toes, and then you're going to aim, you know, offhand.

870
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: So when yeah, you can't see me, but then when

871
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 2: you're going with the chop and they're moving and your

872
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: moverybody's moving, yeah, they're moving, well, they're trying to get away,

873
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: and they're moving in the swell you're going with the

874
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: chop and idling, and so you want to be able

875
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: to like use your tippy toes and your knees to

876
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: balance you so you're kind of like right on them.

877
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: And then it's when you're cross here, cross their head that's.

878
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: When you want to shoot. What distance are you normally

879
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: getting to them?

880
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 2: You want to get as close as possible, but give

881
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: maybe fifty yards.

882
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 3: So getting a deer to you is probably a cake walk.

883
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: The shot.

884
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 3: The shot, yeah.

885
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: I mean compared to this, if they're honestly hard to

886
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: get they are. Some days you you might get nine

887
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 2: and then some days you might get one. It just

888
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: depends on especially if you're out of practice, you know,

889
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 2: if you haven't shot while we'll see.

890
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: What you're saying is another thing I hadn't thought, just

891
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: like I would have thought, you shoot off the rail. Okay, yeah,

892
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: like I didn't know that. But the other thing you're

893
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,959
Speaker 1: saying that I hadn't thought about is you picture that

894
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: that that thing's riding a wave and you're riding a

895
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: different wave or different sequencing.

896
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: And you're moving and there they might be moving this way,

897
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 2: but they might be in a pod like you mentioned.

898
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 2: Usually it's pods of over one hundred. You know, you

899
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: might shoot a single, but you're you're also looking because

900
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: we don't want to shoot any that have pups, so

901
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 2: and we shoot them in the head make sure they

902
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: don't suffer. So you're looking and you're going, okay, that's

903
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: a double, there's a single. Then you're selecting them where

904
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: I am. I don't shoot any with pups.

905
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: And they're buoyant, like you hit them. You don't got

906
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: a hustle over.

907
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they they do float. And my dad got

908
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: me an ar for Christmas, so it's a it has

909
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: a bull barrel. It's heavy and what kind of r

910
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: it's a rock river, it's got a heavy barrel. It's

911
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: got a bull barrel, Sarah.

912
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: Because the salt water. No, it's just a rusty mask.

913
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: No, I mean it's new. But yeah, so because sometimes

914
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 2: you can get a second shot before they dive. Once

915
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 2: they start diving, they're getting out of there and they're

916
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: harder to get. So when you're going up to them

917
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: and they kind of go, is where you shoot and

918
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: you could get another shot off if you miss.

919
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: So you wait that little moment when they check out

920
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: what's up.

921
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like whoo. And then when they go down,

922
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, now we've got to go try to

923
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 2: get them, go after them. So then you're you're playing

924
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: the game of where's it swimming? Which way is it going?

925
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: How far is it going? How long can it hold

926
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 2: its breadth?

927
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: Oh?

928
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 3: Oh, So you're trying to keep up with it. So

929
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 3: when it pops up, you're.

930
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, shooting. So you kind of want to get them

931
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: right when you get there. Yeah, So you gotta be

932
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: ready with the chop, ready, ready to aim, in your stance.

933
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: Ready to go and do you So when you get one,

934
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: you go over and hauled up in the boat and

935
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: you skin on the boat or do you take them

936
00:57:58,800 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: all home.

937
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: It depends when it's best to skin them on the

938
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: boat just easier. But you want to skin them right

939
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: away because of their fur density. Even when it's cold out,

940
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: you know, twenty degrees out, they will hold their body

941
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: heat so well that they'll get a green belly within

942
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: the night. Like if you were to leave them the

943
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: next day, they'll get spoiled. Yeah, so you want to

944
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: skin them right away. And then I actually put them

945
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 2: in the freezer and then wait till I get the

946
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: lot where I can get the tanning break, you know

947
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 2: cost break, and I'll flash like thirty at a time,

948
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: or I'm sorry, thirty in a day. So I might

949
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: flesh sixty in a weekend. But I use a pressure

950
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: washer to flesh them. It has a I know you

951
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: say to her against that, but.

952
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: No, no, no, let me explain myself. I see you

953
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: have the perfect setup because like I've never done it

954
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: by you know, it's like a debate in the fur

955
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: handling thing, the pressure washer thing. And so a buddy

956
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: mine that puts up hundreds of beavers every year. I

957
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: called him and he brought up two details I hadn't

958
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: considered before, I said, I text him whatever the hell was?

959
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: I was like, what's up with the do you do

960
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: the pressure washer deal? And he raised two very good points.

961
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: He lives in northern Minnesota, so it's like oftentimes sub

962
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: zero okay, so you know you have a frozen mass.

963
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: And he also says, I don't like some quote like

964
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,439
Speaker 1: I don't like blasting half of a beaver all over

965
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: my yard where you can go down to the.

966
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: Tideline, right like right down here, you.

967
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: Can go down to the tideline and just like we

968
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: have to just blast into the tideline and everything just

969
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: comes up and eats it and it washes out, and

970
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: it's like you don't have a like you're cleanup is

971
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: just you know, you don't have all that clean up. Yeah,

972
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: you're right, and I've seen you do it. It's a

973
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: clean job. Yeah, it's I mean like I mean the

974
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: finished product is, oh for sure.

975
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

976
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: And I don't I'm not too aggressive because you know,

977
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: I don't want to blast holes in in this.

978
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: But have you ever done one with a draw knife?

979
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: No?

980
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: Did your dad grew up doing them with a draw knife?

981
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? Or he no, we skin him real close, so

982
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have to. Yeah, if you're doing if you're

983
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: trying to do this and recoup costs, you want to

984
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: be as efficient as possible, and that is the most

985
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: efficient way, because you're already putting so much time into

986
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: like converting these discellable items that it just doesn't make

987
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 2: sense to flesh, you know, over a hundred of them

988
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 2: by hand. My dad says that the pressure washer seems

989
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 2: like it works best for like heavier hides like seat

990
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: or seal, maybe bear, but he hasn't used it on

991
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 2: beaver pelts. He said, it's just as fast to do

992
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: a beaver by hand, then it would be got to

993
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: do it with a pressure washer, but we use an

994
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: oscillating nozzle and then have a I had a piece

995
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: of aluminum which worked great, but it blew into the

996
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 2: water when I was doing it or so I lost it.

997
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: So now I use plywood. Until like as big as

998
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: a sheet of plywood, but it blew away, crushed me.

999
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: I gotta take you out to my drunk yard. I

1000
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: gotta take you out to my drunk yard, which is

1001
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: about ten feet that way. It's not that big, but

1002
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: I got a hun here.

1003
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: I know, I'm like still like real hurt about my aluminum.

1004
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: Being I don't have a sheet, but I got a

1005
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: hunk of aluminum. It's probably do any good.

1006
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: So I rest the plywood now on a like a

1007
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: saw horse, you know, a construction saw horse, and I

1008
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 2: use the woodworking clamps then you know a clamp it's

1009
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 2: like halfway down, you know, and this will hangover and

1010
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: then you could just start and make a line and

1011
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 2: blast all that off, turn it around and you can

1012
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 2: blast the pelt like this size flesh it in about

1013
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: four minutes and then the bigger ones like this will

1014
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 2: take maybe twice that long. Becau they're a little thicker,

1015
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 2: they're actually harder to flesh.

1016
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 3: So but still fleshing that thing in eight minutes is yeah, dude, yeah,

1017
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 3: drawn knife. Yeah.

1018
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 2: And you know it's been really nice and like makes

1019
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 2: me feel good is people really want to help. And

1020
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 2: so there's a guy in Craig who own he like

1021
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 2: runs his seafood like they buy all the fish from

1022
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: the trollers and they have I guess like a seafood

1023
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: processing business. Yeah, so he donates salt to me, So

1024
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 2: like five hundred pounds of salt a winter he'll give

1025
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,919
Speaker 2: me like a big pallet of salt. He's like, I'm

1026
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 2: supporting the cause. And people want to buy me ammo

1027
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 2: or because they want to get shellfish and they know

1028
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 2: that seattle are wiping them out and they want to

1029
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: help in any way they can. So I've had people

1030
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: bring me coffee when I'm out there fleshing in the

1031
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: freezing play and people will come up with like a

1032
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 2: hot coffee because they know I'm out there. They can

1033
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 2: see this spray on my beach, and I'm like, thank

1034
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 2: you so much. You know, it's like hailing and horrible,

1035
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 2: but it's all really worth it.

1036
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: And now, what are some of the things you make?

1037
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 3: Liked?

1038
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: Do you wholesale? Do you sell it all yourself? Do you?

1039
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: How do you work?

1040
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? So you can't. I think another part of the

1041
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: marine mammal protection next is you can't like commercially sell items.

1042
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 2: So it's just like handicraft and small scale. But I

1043
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: make I actually hand sewed everything until this year. I

1044
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 2: got a first sewing machine and.

1045
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: I you got a backup something you said, I on

1046
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: our stand. You can't commercially sell like.

1047
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: So you mean like mass produced.

1048
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so you couldn't go to like you couldn't go

1049
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: to like what's what's the store that's open nowadays? It's

1050
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: not closed. I was gonna say, like Sears, But.

1051
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I have said that something.

1052
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking like fancy Maze, fancy. You can't go

1053
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: to may SE's and they can't be like we want

1054
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand seatter scarves.

1055
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to do that, and we.

1056
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: Want a thousand seat scarves. That's that's too.

1057
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't, it, says mass produce.

1058
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: So you could hand but you could make it though,

1059
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: like I could buy could I buy ten? Okay, but

1060
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: you couldn't.

1061
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 3: You probably couldn't have like a bunch of employees just

1062
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 3: sitting there all day long sewing for you.

1063
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: You probably can't send it to like a sow shop overseas.

1064
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: Maybe no, you definitely can't send it overseas. You cannot

1065
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 2: send out of the country.

1066
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: Are you personally sewing everything?

1067
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 2: Yes? And I make my own patterns. So I brought

1068
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 2: this hat. Oh, this is like one of the things

1069
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: I make. This is a aviator hat or they call

1070
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: it a bomber hat.

1071
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's called what that's called the perfect hat. Yeah,

1072
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: there's one modification I need to tell you about, but oh.

1073
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 2: I need to know. This is moose leather, moose suede,

1074
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 2: and sea otter. And I actually lined the cat portion

1075
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 2: with fleece because.

1076
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: Is so warm.

1077
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: Huh. Yeah, you will overheat unless you're unless you're in

1078
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 2: like sixty below. So I put a cord lock on

1079
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 2: here because it's kind of pain to tie this when

1080
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: you have gloves on or or just in general, and

1081
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 2: then you can wear it with the flaps up and

1082
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 2: just use that cord lock. But so this is one

1083
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 2: one of the items that I make, and I made

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01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: this pattern so it takes like five or six tries

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01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 2: to make it fit ice.

1086
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: But you want to do you have people send their

1087
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: head sides with when they want to.

1088
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 2: Do custom Yeah, I can do. Yeah.

1089
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: Now that people ask why I don't wear a helmet

1090
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: on my snow meal because I'm too busy wearing one

1091
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: of these you know what that's I mean not the style.

1092
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 2: And it covers your ears. It actually makes good your protection.

1093
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I can't hear.

1094
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: A thing about ice fishing. My kids are yelling me

1095
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: out here.

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01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 2: Anything well that looks good. You have to trade in

1097
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,919
Speaker 2: trade in whatever hat you're wearing for sea otter.

1098
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: But that's gonna be.

1099
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 2: H.

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01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: What's sad is put my thing back on. What to

1101
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: be sad is giving up on the you know, my

1102
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: own my own beaver cat. But here's the deal. See

1103
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: you guys, you live in the cloud. You live in

1104
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: the Cloudy's place on the planet right down. I had

1105
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: one made with muskrat instead of having this. It's got

1106
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,919
Speaker 1: a little leather bill, which is a lifesaver out ice

1107
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: fishing and the bright ass sun for sure. Yeah, you

1108
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: need like a little something and that.

1109
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 2: Really, I've seen people wear that over their hat.

1110
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: Yep. That's my buddy Travis. He had one and I

1111
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: was telling him about that and he says he pulls

1112
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: it on over his baseball.

1113
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 3: You.

1114
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 2: Yep, it'd be nice to have.

1115
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful hat.

1116
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 2: Well I'm going to try that then and call it

1117
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 2: the Steve Ranella.

1118
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know, I don't know Steve Reno. Yeah, yeah,

1119
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: a little leather bill, it's beautiful. Can we see the scarf?

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01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course you don't mind saying it. So

1121
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:51,919
Speaker 1: what do you got it? What do you get for that?

1122
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: What do what do you sell that hat for someone

1123
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: wants someone on my website.

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01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 2: Those are seven hundred dollars. This is a double sided

1125
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 2: seatter scarf. It has a magnet to hold it in

1126
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 2: place because one of my friends bought one for his

1127
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 2: wife and she was hiking and lost it and so

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01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 2: she was like in tears. So I made a magnetic

1129
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 2: closure so wouldn't fall off.

1130
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: Some other person got hike down that trail. Can I

1131
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: tell you a funny story about So I had a

1132
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: muskrat hat, and uh, there's used to be the spot

1133
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: I would trap every year this marsh. And there's like

1134
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: the spot where I would pull over and trap muskrats

1135
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: in his marsh. And I lost my muskrat hat in

1136
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: the winter trapping and didn't know where I lost it.

1137
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: And then me and this in the spring, meet this

1138
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: dude named barefoot or driving up to this place called

1139
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: Cisco buy you, and I see what I think is

1140
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you. I see a road kill at

1141
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: the marsh. I see a road killed muskrat in the bank.

1142
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

1143
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god. So I go to grab

1144
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: the road to kill moskrat. It's my hat, melt, it's

1145
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: my hat melting out of the snow bank like a

1146
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: snowplowd truck, a snowplowd truck and pushed it up into

1147
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,440
Speaker 1: the bank on the side of the road. Was likes

1148
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,600
Speaker 1: my hat. Then that lost again, that's gone.

1149
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 2: I feel like it will find its way back to you.

1150
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a while a while, but that was

1151
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: funny when you said someone was out hiking. But man,

1152
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: this is like my wife.

1153
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 2: Actually brought that. Always give stuff to give to your.

1154
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, she'll actually like this, like I'll get stuff. Me

1155
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: and Seth found a weird rock and I had an

1156
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: ear ring bade out of that weird rock and she said,

1157
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: she feels it. It looks like something from Lord of

1158
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: the Rings. This no, she's gonna like that's no, No,

1159
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: that's her style. And I had her a big red

1160
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: fox scarf made. But it really says hello before you do,

1161
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: because it's like huge, but that's like subtle. Yeah, it's

1162
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: actually beautiful.

1163
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,839
Speaker 2: I have other scarves. They're shorter and you can actually

1164
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 2: put a scarf in it, so they're interchangeable, so you

1165
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 2: can wear it as a headband and then when you

1166
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 2: go inside wear it as a scarf and you can

1167
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 2: swap out the insert to match any outfit. But yeah,

1168
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 2: I can make like hats, blankets, moccasins, scarves, purses, I

1169
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,759
Speaker 2: make sealskin purses and wallets, and what's.

1170
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: A seal skin? What do you gotta get for a

1171
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: seal skin purse?

1172
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 2: I sell them for six hundred. I haven't sold a

1173
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 2: wallet yet. I actually make Yeah.

1174
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 1: I make Dude, this stuff is so cool, man.

1175
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 2: I make these and then I test them to make

1176
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 2: sure that they're the best quality before posting it for sale.

1177
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: So so you put a little money there, go buy

1178
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: something this is make sure it works good. So that's

1179
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: a Harbor seal wallet.

1180
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 2: So I want to make sure they're quality because they're

1181
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 2: an investment, so so I'm testing it out.

1182
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: Gorgeous. Do you have good lack? I mean, are you

1183
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: able to sell as much as you can make?

1184
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 2: So far I have been able to recoup my costs.

1185
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 2: I don't think you'll know.

1186
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: I mean, like, do you have are you able to

1187
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: like are you able to find a market? You know

1188
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: what I mean? Or do you have are you backlog?

1189
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: Do you have a lot of fur that you haven't

1190
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: been able to get sales on?

1191
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 2: I think what limits me is my time because I

1192
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 2: work full time, you know, at a regular job. And

1193
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 2: then this is my what my dad calls it, my hobby,

1194
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 2: which is becoming you know a little side.

1195
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 1: So you can sell. You can sell it as fast

1196
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 1: as you can make it. The bottleneck is making it.

1197
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's not a lot of fur sewers. That's incredible,

1198
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 2: you know who work with sea Otter who are selling items,

1199
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: So I think they're harder to find.

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01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

1201
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: Dude, you know what this here, you know what for

1202
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: single people out there, get single guys out there. You

1203
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: get one of these and you give it to the lady.

1204
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: She likes it, then you know, you gotta keep her.

1205
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: She don't, you know, want nothing to do with her. Man.

1206
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: That's how That's how I would use this. I'd be like, oh,

1207
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: do you think about something like that? And she's like

1208
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: I'd be like, that is get out of my house.

1209
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 1: Get out of my house.

1210
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 3: Yep.

1211
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 2: There's a word the cling. The Lingott word for that

1212
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 2: is joke. It means go away. I remember going out

1213
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 2: with my friends, you know in college, guys would hit

1214
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 2: off and we'd be like, oh, joke because they wouldn't

1215
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 2: know what that meant.

1216
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: But we did. Let me see the other thing.

1217
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 2: Oh this is my test purse seal skin.

1218
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. So you're really like you're good though,

1219
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 1: Like you're really talent. I mean, is you really like something?

1220
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 3: You just go like it like something you like? You

1221
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 3: buy that purse out of store.

1222
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 1: Thank you, very well done. Got a great sense of style.

1223
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 1: Now I got I'm gonna complim that sandwich you. I mean,

1224
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna give you an insult. Okay, I don't think

1225
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: the strap is like I'm underwhelmed by the strap. How

1226
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: could you put that strap on this bag?

1227
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 2: Let me show you that.

1228
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: Bag something different.

1229
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: Okay, it does.

1230
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 1: That bag deserves a better strap.

1231
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 2: Does deserve a better strap. But this is a prototype.

1232
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 2: So it's like you can do an over the shoulder,

1233
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 2: you can do a cross body or all those like

1234
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 2: what my daughter call it a fanny pack. It is

1235
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 2: a sling bag. I called it a fanny packs. I'm

1236
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 2: a nineties kid. You can wear it as a fanny

1237
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 2: pack or like you know how the sling bags everyone's

1238
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 2: wearing them like this.

1239
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: That's my daughter, I called her Bandolier's.

1240
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 2: I want it to be versatile and.

1241
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: Like that's a great. Yeah, that's her style. It's a

1242
01:13:58,479 --> 01:13:59,759
Speaker 1: little little Rother style.

1243
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 2: Maybe needs I don't know, something different.

1244
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: I'm just underwhelmed by it. But the because the bag

1245
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: is so cool.

1246
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 2: Okay, well my hat to need a bill.

1247
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, that's a specialty item. That's a one

1248
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 1: off specialty item. That's the win. You have the winning design.

1249
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, I'm okay, here's I want to

1250
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: I want my my feedback to be I want to

1251
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: make you understand my feedback. The bill is a one

1252
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: off especially, no one want to say I want that.

1253
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: I understanding understand. Your bag is so cool. I feel

1254
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: like the when that that just its like he needs

1255
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 1: a strap. This is cool as the bag, that's all. Yeah,

1256
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: I mean because you have a really you have a

1257
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: cool like uh yeah, it's just got like a style.

1258
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 1: I'll put it this way because I'm having a hard time.

1259
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm not being very articulate. I have found like when

1260
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 1: you look at fur sewing today, there's a lot of

1261
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: fur sewing today that's it's just real gaudy, like it's

1262
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: it's not sleek, you know what I mean. It's not

1263
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: like it's like it's it's it's overstated. There's a las

1264
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: stuff that's really overstated bougie. Yeah, like just huge, you know,

1265
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: like huge, big whatever. But your stuff is it's like

1266
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's more subtle. It's kind of more elegant,

1267
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Than than things that

1268
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: are than things that are just you know, you picture

1269
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: like a red fox vest, right, a big red red

1270
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 1: fox vest. It's just from across the parking lot. You'd

1271
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: be like, there's a lady with a red fox vest,

1272
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: for sure. But with this stuff, it's like, you know,

1273
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: you could be sitting there ten minutes and saying, be like,

1274
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: holy shit, is that seal? Yeah? Right, yeah, it has

1275
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 1: that feeling to it like it's it's subtle.

1276
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 2: Thank you. I try and make them functional. I want

1277
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 2: people to wear these. I don't want these to be

1278
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 2: on display. I want this is moose. It's a little heavier,

1279
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 2: you know than deer leather, but it's not so stiff

1280
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 2: that it's gonna be uncomfortable to wear. And I want

1281
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 2: you to be able to like put this in your

1282
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 2: punting bag, you know, and pull it out and like

1283
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 2: shake and put it on and it not be bulky,

1284
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 2: and you can fold this up and this can get

1285
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 2: soaking wet and still keep your head warm, and then

1286
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 2: you just dry it and shake it and it fluffs

1287
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 2: right back up. So I try to think about stuff

1288
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 2: like that when making items, because people are gonna invest

1289
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 2: in you and your work and you know, believe in

1290
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 2: me and buy something online without having felt it, Like

1291
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 2: you guys know what it feels like now and you

1292
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 2: can see the fur is tremendous. But a lot of

1293
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 2: people buy things without knowing what seat ter furs like

1294
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 2: and then they get it and they're like, whoa, because

1295
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 2: it is incredible and incredibly warm.

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Speaker 1: For the for the listeners, I'll share with you that

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Speaker 1: prior to when we when we started recording how there

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Speaker 1: was showing my two younger kids her seatter stuff, and

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Speaker 1: my daughter observed, all of our friends right now are

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Speaker 1: out in our boat's fishing, and my daughter observed that

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Speaker 1: they shouldn't have gone out on the boats so that

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Speaker 1: they could have heard about this.

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Speaker 2: I know, And I got an order for a sea

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Speaker 2: otter or Teddy bear and a hat, and I'm super

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01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:25,560
Speaker 2: excited to make your kids some things. They deserve it.

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Speaker 5: Kids are sacred and yells tell everyone, tell everyone what

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Speaker 5: you were telling my kids about the importance of kids.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean kids are sacred, you know. They

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Speaker 2: I just feel like they they deserve so much and

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Speaker 2: so much more recognition than they get oftentimes. And we

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Speaker 2: believe that they're sacred. They're they're the ones who are

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Speaker 2: gonna learn all of this knowledge that we have that

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Speaker 2: we carry and pass it down to the next generation.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just that that they are really special and they

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01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 2: have a special place, and just having them present when

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Speaker 2: you're doing things, like when I said, like, it really

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Speaker 2: hurts when I know that it's illegal for me to

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01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:29,719
Speaker 2: teach them how to work with some of our traditional

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Speaker 2: foods and materials, because it shouldn't be that way. And

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Speaker 2: they're just little sacred beings and they deserve to learn

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Speaker 2: and be there and not have those limitations on them

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Speaker 2: when it comes to you know, them learning and practicing

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Speaker 2: their culture. And they're really the the vehicles, you know,

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Speaker 2: they're going to be the ones who pass that on.

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Speaker 2: So as much as I can invest in youth, you know,

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Speaker 2: my niece and nephew, but not just them, any in

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Speaker 2: all youth, so they know that they are valued, they

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Speaker 2: have a purpose. It's really important to know that you

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Speaker 2: have a purpose in life, and like my culture is

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Speaker 2: a big part of you know, my purpose. And then

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Speaker 2: you know that you're important and and you have a

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Speaker 2: responsibility to you know, carry that on. It kind of

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Speaker 2: helps give you some direction too in your life.

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Speaker 3: And and and like.

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Speaker 2: You learn what you know that your cultural values are

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Speaker 2: through practicing your culture and like being around elders or

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Speaker 2: you know, your aunties and uncles. And it's not something

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01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 2: where someone would blatantly say, like we value respect or

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You just learn it by

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01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 2: being a part of the process, not wasting fish, only

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Speaker 2: taking what you're going to use, using all parts of it,

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Speaker 2: you know, smoking the heads of a fish, the collars,

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Speaker 2: the backbones, really minimizing waste. That's just all like learning

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Speaker 2: your values by practicing, and that's really important. And kids

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Speaker 2: do that without knowing you know what's happening, and it's

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Speaker 2: really special to watch and and see and watch them

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Speaker 2: like live their purpose. Be proud of that.

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Speaker 1: That's great advice. I practice it half the time, and

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01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: half the time I'm freaking out on them because like

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01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 1: last night I come in and there's granola bar crumbs

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01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:50,560
Speaker 1: my beds somehow wet, like the hell's going to do.

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01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: I forget, I forget all the stuff you just said.

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Speaker 1: Then I wake up in the morning, I recommit myself

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Speaker 1: to being a good dad, I think, and.

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Speaker 2: There there you have the balance, right, It's all about balance.

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Speaker 2: So you're not going to be one hundred percent every

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Speaker 2: time every day. But you know, if you live by

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Speaker 2: your values and you do what you can to align

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Speaker 2: yourself and practice those you know, that's all you can

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Speaker 2: really do. And you're not going to be one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent every day.

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Speaker 1: So that's okay.

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Speaker 2: Your kids are great. You know. I got to spend

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Speaker 2: a little time with them and I wanted them to

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Speaker 2: sit next to me during this podcast. I think they're

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Speaker 2: so great.

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Speaker 1: So oh, thank you, Yeah, thanks for coming on the show. Yeah, goodness,

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Speaker 1: Heather Duville. And I know on Instagram you're ak moosey

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Speaker 1: so ak m o O s I E. And your

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Speaker 1: fur and your product.

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Speaker 2: Page is what Coastal Fur and leather.

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Speaker 1: Man. I think you're gonna I have a feeling you're

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Speaker 1: going to get a few people checking out the stuff

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Speaker 1: because it's just thank you so and thanks for bringing

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Speaker 1: some of your your traditional hooks and things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate your Yeah, you being able to share

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Speaker 2: my culture with you, and you're sharing your stories with me,

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Speaker 2: and I would love to be able to have you

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Speaker 2: guys join us in Fish with the Nah one day,

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Speaker 2: so you have an invite and welcome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for sharing all your all your knowledge. Even

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Speaker 1: just before we recorded, you told me a lot of

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Speaker 1: things about the fish and stuff that I hadn't known.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate all your everything you've picked up over

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Speaker 1: your life and your family and and uh, that's great.

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Speaker 1: Been great to visit with you. Thank you, And you're

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Speaker 1: going to take that You're going to do the gig

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Speaker 1: as the correspondent.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can't wait. I better be doing something though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Better in the winter, I'll be sewing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll warn you ahead of time. We'll find out

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Speaker 1: what a good time is.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Does that work? So do we talk about talk.

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Speaker 1: About that later?

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Speaker 3: All? Right?

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Speaker 1: About later that you met Krin? Mm hmm, Cren will

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Speaker 1: deal with that, sweet man. What's this one called sea monster?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, you had old faithful? What is his name?

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Speaker 1: The veterans? All right, thanks Cronin Heather. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: That got me thirty out six kicks like a Muller's

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Speaker 4: like a son of a bitch.

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Speaker 1: Budd it's butt a cup of deer on the wall

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01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 1: that had a booty brown up.

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Speaker 4: It ain't nothing fancy, just a savage wanting Walmart specially

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01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 4: had a guy from a friend who was getting divorced

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Speaker 4: and neat cash about his gune.

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Speaker 1: And there's no red force.

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Speaker 4: Sitting in my drive.

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Speaker 3: You just keep on racking up the miuse. It used

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Speaker 3: to be my day.

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Speaker 4: Now he's gone. It's got spocking knife and the ashtreek

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Speaker 4: s been there ever since the day I got the

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Speaker 4: keys attruck from my mom.

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Speaker 1: I'm a stuff.

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Speaker 6: Thank god's got some kind of story tail nerfe be

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Speaker 6: a bunch of men. Most of it wouldn't mean much anybody.

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Speaker 5: It on mean word means.

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Speaker 4: There's a glass man of traps sitting on my desk

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01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 4: yard next just sumpliers. My uncle Jo getting to my

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01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 4: kids one day that made him think of his own

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01:24:56,280 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 4: pats and the stuff hard of one one not from

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Speaker 4: mile while the next day we made our first born child.

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Speaker 4: We still laugh about it every now and then.

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Speaker 6: Host every Thank God, it's got something kind of story.

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01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 4: Tale and they're felled with a bunch man.

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Speaker 1: Most of it.

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Speaker 6: It wouldn't mean us Anybody.

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01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 3: Get all mean word to me.

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01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:49,799
Speaker 1: I could say, I could sell lead out getting lest cash.

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Speaker 6: It wouldn't be long now. We want it all back,

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Speaker 6: most of everything God's got some guy's.

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Speaker 4: Story till it's billed with bunch men.

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Speaker 6: Most of it wouldn't mean much anybody.

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Speaker 4: It all means word means, it all means word me