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Speaker 1: Now your hosts Barry Church, Danny McCrae, and new He scrugs,

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Speaker 1: all right, it's Friday. It is time for the players

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Speaker 1: last where we tell it like it is. We're brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Hotels dot Com. New Scots, a long

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Speaker 1: time Cowboys reporter, joined by Barry Church, former Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: safety or other running back buddy. Danny McCray is out.

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Speaker 1: Daniel rejoined us back in May's working on a project

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Speaker 1: right now. But we're taking you now all the way

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Speaker 1: up to the draft. We are less than two weeks

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Speaker 1: away where the Dallas Cowboys have a tenth overall pick Church,

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Speaker 1: how are we doing? Man doing great? Man doing great.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bloomy outside of the day. It's a

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Speaker 1: tad big gloomy kind of looks like Gotham City a

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Speaker 1: whole day. But hey, Ron, they're on a players lounge,

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Speaker 1: so they wouldn't rather be anywhere else. Let's get a

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Speaker 1: cracking now, all right. I'm got to ask you a

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Speaker 1: question that I asked our producer Chris being here, and

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Speaker 1: is there something about this draft process for the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: you're hearing that bugs you. Chris said it was that, Hey,

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Speaker 1: people say trade out of ten, what's yours? The thing

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Speaker 1: that bugs me is, and I told you this a

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Speaker 1: long time when we first started doing this podcast, It's that,

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Speaker 1: for some reason, some off the wall reason, no matter

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Speaker 1: how bad we perform on the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: no matter how bad it goes, there always seems to

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Speaker 1: be that guy on the offensive side and the draft

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Speaker 1: that is just like, oh, this is so intriguing. We

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Speaker 1: can't go past this this guy. If he falls in

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Speaker 1: our laps, there's no wet to take him. It happened

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Speaker 1: last year with Cde Lamb, and this year coming around,

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Speaker 1: it seems like it's happening with with Kyle Pitts. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like we talked about last last week. I know he's

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Speaker 1: an intriguing prospect. He could be, you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the best all time that his position if he puts

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Speaker 1: in the work on the field. But like I said

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Speaker 1: last week, we got tons and tons of needs on

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Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, and for some reason,

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Speaker 1: all we can talk about in the Cowboys nation is

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Speaker 1: getting this Kyle Pitts or getting this offensive left tackle

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Speaker 1: or something like that, and that that just kind of

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Speaker 1: irks me because I'm like, man, do people still realize

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Speaker 1: we need defenses to win a championship and get far

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs? We need a champ or we need

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Speaker 1: a defense to that that can match our offensive power,

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Speaker 1: and right now we don't have it. We don't have it.

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Speaker 1: We don't have death pieces on any any line of

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Speaker 1: any line of defense you go along. We need death

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Speaker 1: pieces on the interior line, we need it at the

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Speaker 1: linebacker position, and we for sure needed in the secondaries.

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Speaker 1: So for me, I just don't get all the offensive talk.

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Speaker 1: But to each his own. Now, obviously, if you listen

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Speaker 1: to our Dallas Cowboys podcast network, and we have so

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Speaker 1: many different opinions on this, and you have some who

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Speaker 1: really do want offense. But for me, as I'm looking

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Speaker 1: seeing in the media, more and more, we're not even

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Speaker 1: seeing Kyle Pitts mock to the Cowboys at tent. We're

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Speaker 1: not really seeing Kyle Pitts his fall off at about six.

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Speaker 1: That's about the landing spot that I'm looking for him

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Speaker 1: right now. So honestly, Barry, while people can dream about

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Speaker 1: if Kyle Pitts is everything that people in the draft

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Speaker 1: process are saying he is, this kid doesn't go to ten.

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Speaker 1: No way he gets to ten. And the teams that

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Speaker 1: just fine. Cincinnati could plug him in there and do

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Speaker 1: just fine. The Miami Dolphins, their head coach, Brian Flores.

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Speaker 1: Brian Flores was in New England. He was coaching linebackers

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Speaker 1: with Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski, and he's seen how

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick has drafted tight ends highly and during his

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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell's a former tight end. I could see that

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Speaker 1: I could see that. So there's spots where I just

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Speaker 1: different flavors. The first receiver off the board was Henry Ruggs.

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Speaker 1: football dot com. And Chris used to draft for the

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Speaker 1: You know, that's the guy. He's the vanilla. He's he's

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Speaker 1: a Swiss army knife. I mean, like like you said,

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Speaker 1: and then you can line them up out wide. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Swiss army knife. He's very versatile, and like I said

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Speaker 1: you know what, They're gonna tack themselves into this Kyle

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Speaker 1: discussing the draft, which is less than two weeks away. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: if J. C. Horn and Patrick's or ten are gone

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Speaker 1: at ten and you're the Dallas Cowboys and you also, oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, don't have an option to take Kyle

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Speaker 1: Picks or to day school. These four picks are gone.

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Speaker 1: What do you do if you're the Cowboys? Do you

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Speaker 1: stay at ten? Do you trade them? If it's up

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Speaker 1: to me. If I was being paid to make these

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Speaker 1: type of decisions for the Dallas Cowboys and it was

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Speaker 1: solely on me, I'm trading back newly. I'm trading back

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Speaker 1: and seeing if I can get some more death pieces

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Speaker 1: for this defense. Now. I say that because that guy

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Speaker 1: that that blue chip that we were talking about, if

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Speaker 1: him and Horn, because I consider Horn and blue Chip

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Speaker 1: as well. If Horn and Certan aren't there, I don't

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Speaker 1: see any other defensive stand out unless you're maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: leaning towards Micah Parsons out of Penn State, that fast linebacker,

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Speaker 1: if you're sold on him, maybe, But to me, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sold on any blue chip prospect other than those

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Speaker 1: guys in the in the top ten. Now if we

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Speaker 1: were later on picking Shore, but at the top ten,

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Speaker 1: I don't see a defensive lineman out there that kind

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Speaker 1: of blows my socks away. Like I said, if you

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Speaker 1: feel like that Penn State linebacker can do it, but

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Speaker 1: he doesn't do it for me and anybody else in

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Speaker 1: the secondary, I just don't see. I feel like we

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Speaker 1: can get in later rounds. So for me, I would

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Speaker 1: trade back, get some more, get them, maybe a second

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Speaker 1: or third and I would get death pieces because we

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Speaker 1: need them, especially on an interior part of the defensive line.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we can get great, solid death pieces

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Speaker 1: back there because right now we're working with Tristan Hill,

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Speaker 1: who's coming off of an Acyl and Nevill Gallimore. And

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Speaker 1: I'm high on Nevil Gallimore. I think he can be

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Speaker 1: a stud on that defensive tackle, but I need a

494
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Speaker 1: bigger sample size and Tristan Hill, we don't know what

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Speaker 1: we're getting back from that ACL. And then you go

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Speaker 1: to the second line of the defense, which is the linebackers,

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Speaker 1: and we have Lve, we got Jalen Smith, but you

498
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Speaker 1: know those guys are injury prone. Those guys have missed time,

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Speaker 1: especially LVE in the recent years. So for me, I

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Speaker 1: think we need a death piece there as well. And

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Speaker 1: in the secondary, man, if we can't get those blue

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Speaker 1: chip prospects, we're gonna have to load up somehow in

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Speaker 1: some way because the secondary we have now with Anthony

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Speaker 1: Brown and Jordan Lewis, those guys I don't feel like

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Speaker 1: they can hold up back there. They don't. They need

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Speaker 1: the more veteran presence back there. So for me, I'm

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Speaker 1: trading back and I'm trying to get more depth for

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Speaker 1: this defense. But overall, I gotta hope my guys are there.

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Speaker 1: I gotta hope they're there because those guys are to me,

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Speaker 1: cornerstone pieces of the defense that sorely sorely needs it. Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: and under this scenario, and what I'm thinking, so if

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Speaker 1: we if if you get to ten and you've got

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Speaker 1: a J. C. Horn gone, and you've got a Patrick's

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Speaker 1: and gone, and Pena Soul and Kyle Pitts are gone,

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Speaker 1: this means most likely there should be a quarterback falling

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Speaker 1: at this point in time. And maybe that quarterback is

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Speaker 1: justin fields. Maybe it's the kid Trey Lands from North

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Speaker 1: Dakota State and from the buzz that's being out there.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, we're lied to a lot. I always

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Speaker 1: have to remember this, we're lied to a lot at

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Speaker 1: this time. If Washington wants to if Washington wants to

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Speaker 1: come up, if Chicago wants to come up, if New

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Speaker 1: England wants to come up, if they're if they're willing

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Speaker 1: to come up to ten to get this quarterback, would

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Speaker 1: you do it? Do you trade them? Because that's to

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Speaker 1: get the ammunition you're talking about. Okay, the ammunition you're

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Speaker 1: talking about you want more pieces, the best way to

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Speaker 1: get it and where people will pay you the most

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Speaker 1: money in a ransom is for a quarterback. And if

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Speaker 1: if the quarterback falls, are you still here? Am I

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Speaker 1: still here? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, we got you? Okay? If

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Speaker 1: the if the court, let's just say Fields falls, and

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Speaker 1: we know from what the buzz we've been hearing, New

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Speaker 1: England they high on Fields and they could trade up

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Speaker 1: and get somebody and it fields us there at ten.

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Speaker 1: I could see New England making a choice to go

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Speaker 1: up there and get him, and then we would slide

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Speaker 1: back to fifteen and add some pieces later on in

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Speaker 1: the round. I'm all for that. I'm all for that.

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Speaker 1: If if those two corners are not available, because you know,

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Speaker 1: the guy out of Virginia Farley or Virginia Tech, he

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Speaker 1: would have been one of my blue chip guys. But

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Speaker 1: he's coming off of back surgery and we're already fielding

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Speaker 1: a team that's full of guys who've had surgeries and

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Speaker 1: injury prone and all that stuff. So we don't want

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Speaker 1: to bring a guy who's yet to do an NFL

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Speaker 1: snap already who had surgery. We don't want to bring

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Speaker 1: him in, especially that high So for me, if those

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Speaker 1: two guys aren't there, I gotta trade back. I gotta

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Speaker 1: get more depth for this defense because as we know,

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Speaker 1: this team has been injury prone the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: and we're adding another game, a seventeenth game, So for me,

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Speaker 1: you got to need more more pieces over there. I

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Speaker 1: would trade back, especially if New England's ready to go,

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Speaker 1: because that's only five more picks back, So I'd be

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Speaker 1: willing to trade back for sure. So kind of wrapping

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Speaker 1: this up in conclusion, we believe the Cowboys should stay

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Speaker 1: at ten if they have the ability to get themselves

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Speaker 1: one of these two quarterback prospects and quarterback. And if

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Speaker 1: the quarterback prospects are gone and there is all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden four quarterbacks taken and a fifth quarterback in

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Speaker 1: terms of justin Fields is available or Lance is available,

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Speaker 1: and you've got a team that's desperate to get them,

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Speaker 1: you go ahead and possibly look and entertaining if going down,

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Speaker 1: because in your mind you don't feel that there's another

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Speaker 1: blue chip player. Now, Michael Parsons is a guy that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, okay, a lot of people thinks

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Speaker 1: worthy of a top ten pick. I mean not not

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Speaker 1: not my cup. You know, I'm not big on him

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Speaker 1: like that, but there are people who are and people

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Speaker 1: who do this process and say he is and and

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Speaker 1: you're out on him as well. So you and I

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Speaker 1: are like, now, Parsons, isn't that guy go ahead and

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Speaker 1: move out of the tent if if you do not

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Speaker 1: have a blue chip guy in your opinion that you

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Speaker 1: can ride out and say, man, this dude, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: slide him into the line up day one. Because if

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys draft Michael Parsons, does he start day one?

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Speaker 1: Is at is he is he starting? Does I mean?

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Speaker 1: And then you got the short knif season and all

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Speaker 1: that stuff, so I mean, is he gonna be ready?

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Speaker 1: Is he gonna be ready to start? So that's the

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Speaker 1: thing with me and it knew him ask you this.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's besides the corners we name

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Speaker 1: that early in the draft, do you see anybody out

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Speaker 1: there that's, like, you know what, he's a must we

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Speaker 1: got If those guys on the board, it's okay because

588
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: we got this guy right here in the chamber waiting.

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Speaker 1: So do you see anybody else out there like that?

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Speaker 1: Here's I'm glad you asked that because this is something

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Speaker 1: I was just I was talking about buddy Chris Lantry

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Speaker 1: about and you know, here's a guy who worked for

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Speaker 1: Belichick and saving in Cleveland, ran the ran the like

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Speaker 1: the combine and he said draft to pretend to see

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Speaker 1: for years and he says, look for the fit. Did

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Speaker 1: not look at the draft rankings. So the unfortunate thing

597
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Speaker 1: for us is we haven't had an ability to sit

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Speaker 1: down and talk to dan Quinn to say, what is

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Speaker 1: it you want? Okay, Mike McCarthy told us, hey, he

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Speaker 1: feels like you can't have enough six foot five, two

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy pound guys up front on the D line.

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Speaker 1: He feels like you can't have So we understand what

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Speaker 1: he's thinking. And so that's what I would really love

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Speaker 1: to know. Hey, dan Quinn, what fits for you? Does

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Speaker 1: Micah park is Mica part is Micah Parsons your Vic Beasley?

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Speaker 1: Is there a safety out here that reminds you of

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Speaker 1: Demante Kaz and Earl Woods? Do you have somebody on

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Speaker 1: the D line that reminds you of Cliff Avril? Is

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Speaker 1: there somebody that's draft the D line that fits your

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Speaker 1: defense the way Michael Bennett did that Super Bowl forty

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Speaker 1: eight team that went up to MetLife Field and laid

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Speaker 1: a whooping on Peyton Man, who was the MVP of

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Speaker 1: the league that year with fifty five touchdown passes. That's

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Speaker 1: what I'd like to know, because church so much of

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Speaker 1: that is about how these things work. When you were

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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, you guys had an excellent defense, but the

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Speaker 1: pieces fit and that's what matters so much. Do the

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Speaker 1: players fit the scheme? And we can say all day long,

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Speaker 1: like Mike McCarthy talks about, well as players over scheme,

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Speaker 1: we didn't see that last year. But if we're going

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Speaker 1: to get the best out of players, you need to

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Speaker 1: know how to put them in the right position. And

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Speaker 1: so that's the thing I talk about so much about

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Speaker 1: these quote unquote rankings. Go back to Cede Lamb CD

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Speaker 1: Lamb was number one on a whole lot of folks boards,

626
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Speaker 1: but the Raiders said, Henry Ruggs is the best fit

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Speaker 1: for us and what we want to do. And then

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Speaker 1: when it came time for the Denver Broncos the draft,

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Speaker 1: they took Jerry Judy over Cede Lamb because they said,

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Speaker 1: this guy fits exactly what we want to do. And

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Speaker 1: so there you had CD Lamb falling to the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I just kind of look at I mean,

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Speaker 1: they even go back to Atlanta. Here's Atlanta one pick

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Speaker 1: ahead of the Dallas Cowboys, and they said, we've got

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Speaker 1: Julio Jones, We've got Calvin Ridley, we don't need CD Lamb,

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Speaker 1: even though like everyone, they had a first round grade

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Speaker 1: on Cede Lamb. Okay, this guy was a first round

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Speaker 1: graded player. And every year, you know, there's not thirty

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Speaker 1: two first round dudes. There may be eighteen to nineteen

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Speaker 1: sometimes even the twenty one true first round grades. But

641
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: it comes down to the fit of the football team.

642
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: People can sit up here all day long and bag

643
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: on Matt Jones, but when you start to look at

644
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan and Chris Sims has done a good job

645
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: of this. They were teammates and at UH at Texas,

646
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: and Chris works for NBC Sports and he says Mac

647
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: Jones fits the kind of player that Kyle and his dad,

648
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan are kind of quarterbacks they like. So wait

649
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: are you on Mac Jones? As a lot of these

650
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: people on I can't I can't understand that one. Wait

651
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: wait wait, wait, wait wait let me let me. You're

652
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: not hearing You're not hearing me. What am I talking about?

653
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying, look for the fit, don't look at the

654
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: draft RK. So I understand, and I understand that. But Matt.

655
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: Do we think Matt fits that West Coast system like that?

656
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know they're being up sample size

657
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: to say he's the guy, all right and so great.

658
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad to does he fit it? Is he better

659
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: than coming out of school? Is he better than Kirk Cousins?

660
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't Michigan State? Yeah? Yeah, coming out of school.

661
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: Was he better than Jimmy Garoppolo was when Jimmy was

662
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: playing in Eastern Illinois? Yeah? But look Lee was thrown

663
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: throwing too. He has a he has a track team

664
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah. How many first rounds he got? Devonte Smith, Waddle,

665
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: Nagi Harris. He gonna have two first round offensive linemen

666
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: around him. I mean, this guy's played with a lot

667
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: of talent. He's played with a lot we've seen too.

668
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: Came from that same thing everybody was on two was

669
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: the greatest? I agree, you know, we'll see I agree

670
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: with you. But this comes down to, I mean, okay,

671
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: what does it always come. It comes down to what

672
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: we just talk about. It's the fit, it's what they

673
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: want Shannahan has. Shanahan was the guy who was gonna

674
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: wait on Kirk Cousins to come to him, and the

675
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: Cousins signed that big old deal in Minnesota. I would

676
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: have never put I wouldn't have been signed him at all.

677
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: That's not my thing. Um, Matt Ryan Ryan want to

678
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: MVP with Kyle Sanahan. So they have a ship, Okay,

679
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean the end of the day, it's like your buddies.

680
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: Hey man, you know, you and your buddies. If you're

681
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: both single and you're going out on the town, you're

682
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: gonna have a type of female you like you'ren say,

683
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: hey man, you know I like this type. This is

684
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: my type right here. Okay. So the same with quarterbacks,

685
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: same with white receivers. So while mac Jones is not

686
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: your type and not my type, what if we see

687
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: it's Kyle Shanahan's type. You know, Kyle Shanahan might be

688
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: that guy to see him going, man, he might be

689
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: that guy that says, dude, I like those red heads

690
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: with curly here. Okay, that's his type. That's his type.

691
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: Different strokes for different folks, and he's doing the drafting,

692
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: so he's going to go get his type. All right. Look,

693
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: I for all day long, man, I was about Deshaun

694
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: Watson coming out. I was like, man, that's the guy,

695
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: not Mahomes, not your bisky. I was like, Deshaun Watson,

696
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: that's the guy. But guess what n NFL value. He

697
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: just didn't feel that way. He went third. Then here

698
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: it is the Cleveland Browns who had two shots. They

699
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: had the first and the twelfth pick. Okay, they had

700
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: two shots at Watson and didn't want the guy. In fact,

701
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: they traded out of twelve to Houston because they didn't

702
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: think he was that good and they thought Deshaun Kaiser

703
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: of Notre Dame was just the grus play. They were wrong,

704
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: But I'm just that's when I keep coming back to,

705
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: don't look at the rankings, look at the fits and

706
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: what people want. That's why we see or draft days

707
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: so many like what what are they doing? I mean,

708
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs, why would you take Henry Ruggs when he

709
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: was he was not the best wide receiver for the

710
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: Alabama Crimson Tide. But guess what John Gruen thought he

711
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: was Now I thought John Gruden was wrong. We saw

712
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: the record, but hey, that's what this thing comes so, Barry.

713
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: That's why I say, man, don't look at the rankings,

714
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: don't look at what you like, because it's going to

715
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: be a team that says, this guy fits what we

716
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: do and what we want and you shake your head. Yeah. Sometimes,

717
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: go ahead. I'm gonna give an example where I was

718
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: one hundred percent wrong. It was a year that the Cowboys.

719
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: I thought they were right there able to take Sharif

720
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: Floyd defensive tackle. I think he was at Florida's statement.

721
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: He was coming out of school, big guy. Man, take

722
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: that guy. They traded out. Cowboys traded out, Minnesota takes it,

723
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: and then they trade in. Later I think it was

724
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: thirty one in the draft. Thirty and thirty one they

725
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: took Travis Frederick. Like, why are you taking a center?

726
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: What are you doing? The Cowboys were right, and Travis

727
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: Frederick fitted what they wanted to do and had an

728
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: outstanding career. So that's an example where I was one

729
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: hundred percent wrong. The Cowboys knew what they're fit and

730
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: what they needed. And so as we talked about this process,

731
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: you and I, man, we were both on the same thing.

732
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: Mac Joe. Mac Jones ain't special. Mac Jones was a

733
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: guy who was a part of assistant. You had a

734
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: great defense that got to the football. You had nothing

735
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: but an offensive line it was good, and running back

736
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: it was good. And you have for years now you've

737
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: had first round wide receivers. How good is the guy?

738
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: But we're not the guy drafted the forty Look, the

739
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: forty nine ers are the people who who passed Mahomes

740
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: and Watson Watson. Okay, right, so so make sure you

741
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: remember that. Okay when people sit up here all day

742
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: long and say, man, I don't get it. I don't know,

743
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: you should get it. They didn't think I mean, they

744
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: didn't think Mahomes or Watson was worthy. They took Solomon

745
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 1: Thomas from Coppell, Texas, who was at Stanford. That's who

746
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: they took. They traded down because the Bears traded with them,

747
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: So they traded down, took a defensive tackle, and then

748
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: they bypassed Mahomes and Watson. So if they're doing that,

749
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: would you really be surprised if they said we don't

750
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: want Justin Fields. I wouldn't be that surprised. I wouldn't

751
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: be that surprised. I'll tell you what, I will be dumbfounded.

752
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: If they go ahead and get mac Jones at number three,

753
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: I'll be like, man, what in the world. And maybe

754
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm completely wrong. Maybe this is the fit and he

755
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: ends up fitting exactly what the forty nine ers want.

756
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: But right now, just looking I just I just don't

757
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: see it. I don't see it. Maybe that's why I'm

758
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: not a GM or in that position, but to me,

759
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. I don't see him being

760
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: that third overall pick. And it comes back to when

761
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: you're drafting philosophy, do you do you just do you

762
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: draft need or do you draft what you want? And

763
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: that's to me, and that's the dilemma we're in right now.

764
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: I think a lot of players they want that, they

765
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: want that cowpus, they want that that flashy new toy,

766
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: but we're in need of a lot more other things,

767
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: especially on the defensive side of the ball. So I

768
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: guess it all just comes down to philosophy and what

769
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: you believe in as far as drafting process for your team. Look,

770
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are are interesting lot. Then I go back to

771
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: the situation you're in in Jacksonville. Here's Jacksonville with Blake Bortles.

772
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: At this point in time, we all know Blake Bortles

773
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: is not that guy, even though he was taking third overall.

774
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: Here the Jaguars with the fourth overall pick, and they

775
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: decide they want to take Leonard for at the running

776
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: back and they did not want Deshaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes.

777
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: They didn't do it. And here they are with the

778
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: first pick in the draft, trying to get back and

779
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: figure out this quarterback position. So they'll end up taking

780
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. But this this becomes where team teams, man,

781
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: they you shouldn't be surprised when you see so many mistakes.

782
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm trying to say, Barry. What

783
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: do we see constant mistakes by by people were supposed

784
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: to be the best evaluators in the world at the

785
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: most critical position in the league. They mess up time

786
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: and time again. When you see a Christian pond to

787
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: go in the first round and see Jake Locker go

788
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: in the first round, I mean, really, but that Blaine

789
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: Gabbert And that's why I see, man, and that's why

790
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: half of this league, literally like fifty five percent of

791
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: this league is made up of undrafted guys, undrafted guys

792
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: who got passed up like myself. And that's why the

793
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: league is made up, because because guys or teams they

794
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: miss out on players and then players go undrafted and

795
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: end up proving everybody wrong. But that's why you see

796
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: mistakes are made year in and year out in his

797
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: NFL draft. So going back to the Cowboys, a circle

798
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: back here. If they don't take your cornerback in round

799
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: number one, must they take one in rounds two, three?

800
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: And we haven't even addressed the safety position yet. So Church,

801
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: how do you view the first and second days? Because

802
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: round one is on a Thursday. Okay, that's round ones

803
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: all one day. Rounds two and three are gonna be

804
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: on Friday. So how do you feel about what the

805
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: Cowboys do to address this defense? Well, I think they

806
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: have to address the secondary. If they don't do it

807
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: in round one, it has to be in two or three.

808
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: You gotta get yourself a And I'm not saying you

809
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: can't find you know, like you said undrafted wise, look

810
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: at Malcolm Butler. He's had a solid career as a

811
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: corner and he was undrafted. So I'm not saying you

812
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: can't find corners later on in a draft, but for me,

813
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: I think we gotta address it early on. I think

814
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: you get your most bang for your Bucke if you

815
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: address it early on. And right now with the secondary

816
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: we have, you know, right now, what is it Brown?

817
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis Ma Woozier's gun and at the say and

818
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: at the safeties, I think we got Keyan O'Neil in

819
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: Demante Kyz right now, and Keyan O'Neil is playing basically linebackers,

820
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: so we haven't about the dress. He's a linebacker, and

821
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't even want him to step back and be

822
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: that every down safety because I think he'll get exposed

823
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: that way. And I think the best way to treat

824
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: him is in that third down package, having them blitz

825
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: and having them do all that stuff near the line

826
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, because he's a phenomenal box safety. But I

827
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: don't know if he can do both on the deep

828
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: end as well. But overall, we have gap to address

829
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: that secondary. I don't think the Gays we have there

830
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: right now will be able to hold up against the

831
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: players that they're coming in here. I mean, look at

832
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: the division overall. You see Washington, they brought in a Fitzpatrick,

833
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: they brought in a Samuel to help stretch the field.

834
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at New York. They brought into

835
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: Kenny Galladay to go along with Shephard and those boys,

836
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: and Dary is slating over there. So these offenses in

837
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: our league, even though we were in obviously one of

838
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: the worst divisions International Football League, the offenses are actually

839
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: getting better. So I don't think the secondary we have

840
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: right now can hold up against those guys are down

841
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: in and down out, So we got address that need.

842
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: This is a passing league. I mean, ninety percent of

843
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: offenses come out in eleven personnel, and for those who

844
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: don't know that, that's one running back, one tight end,

845
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: and three wide receivers. So we gotta have guys. We

846
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: gotta have cover guys out there that can cover those

847
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: cover those receivers out there. So for me, we had

848
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: got to get addressed this in a draft. We already

849
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,799
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850
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851
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852
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853
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854
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855
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856
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857
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,760
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858
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Speaker 1: If they take a Jalen Waddle at twelve or another

859
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860
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861
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: have some serious issues. Not to mention, the Cowboys do

862
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: face can't see the Chiefs this year. They do face

863
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady. I mean, he's got some weapons. They do

864
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865
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Speaker 1: that's got Robby Anderson out there. And then they got

867
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868
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: there's some serious white receivers. They got Minnesota. Oh, by

869
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870
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871
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872
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defensive backfield needs to improve. They also got

873
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,120
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875
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876
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00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: is a guy that early on in the year, that

920
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: first month, I was like, yeah, what a great job

921
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: by the Cowboys. Man, this this guy, this guy is

922
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: somebody you need to think about signing long term, you know,

923
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: get the multi year deal. Uh. Then we saw the

924
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: last three months and you didn't see Aldon Smith. And

925
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926
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927
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: He signed with the Seattle Seahawks on a one year deal.

928
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you right now, Barry Church, I

929
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: was smiling. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, don't

930
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: don't Okay, no that I'm not gonna lie. Man. I

931
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: was right there, which you man. I had a little

932
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: grin on my face when I read that news and

933
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: nothing against him. Man, he you know, he has an

934
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: amazing story. He mean, five years out of the league.

935
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: You know, you battled back from all your from all

936
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: the demons you had, and you came back. You were

937
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: able to come back to the league. And in the

938
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: first couple of games, first five games, I mean, I

939
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: think he registered like three sacks or something like that

940
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: in the first couple of games, and everybody was I

941
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: was right there, which I'm like, man, this dude got

942
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: the juice. Instead of missing five years, it looked like

943
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: he only missed five games. But then as we see, man,

944
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: the NFL season, it's a long and grueling season. And

945
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: by week eight or nine, I mean we were both

946
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: asking each other, I mean, didn Alton Smith even dressed?

947
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: Was he dressing a day like he did he make

948
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: a play out there? And it just seemed like he

949
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: was just taking up space and taking up snaps from

950
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: guys like Randy Gregory or Bradley and I that that

951
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: that has some upside to him that can actually go

952
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: out there and produce. So for me, I mean, it

953
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 1: was a it was a great story for autun Smith

954
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: to come in here and do what he did or

955
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: do what he did. But overall, I think the Cowboys

956
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: made the right move and to move on from him,

957
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: because I think he was blocking the progress of a

958
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory who seemed to come alive towards the end

959
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: of the season, and I would like to see what

960
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,959
Speaker 1: he can do with a full season under his belt,

961
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: with a full offseason under his belt and get going,

962
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: and with guys like um like Alton Smith there, it

963
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: was just blocking that progress. So I'm happy he was

964
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: able to go out there and get another job with

965
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. But I'm also happy he was sent

966
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: along his way because I don't think it was that

967
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: great of a fit, just a better story. Yeah, And

968
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: there's you know, the one thing about doing this job

969
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: is you can find things offline. You know, you're a

970
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: former player, and there's certain things that you guys will

971
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: will tell us that are off the record. And so

972
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: there's some off the record things that took place last

973
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: year which you need to move on from Alden Smith.

974
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: And one of the things, and this is why I

975
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: hate that we can't talk to dan Quinn. I never

976
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: thought he'd fit dan quinn skin. It just didn't seem

977
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: to be the fit. Of it, and so he moves on.

978
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: And so maybe Seattle, which you know, a lot of

979
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: the concepts of Dan Quinn is gonna bring they run

980
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: in Seattle. Maybe Dave Pete's got away, He'll use him.

981
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: But I just think they needed to move off on him.

982
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: They tried. It didn't work. Jim Tom Suld, the line

983
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: coaches all gone, let's just move off, move off that,

984
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: and just just say, hey, grand opening, grand closing, and

985
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: you move on from there. So Alden Smith gone, I'm

986
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: more than more than happy happy with that. So Julian

987
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: Edelman retired this week, and immediately people started, I mean,

988
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: this is the thing now. So a guy retires, we

989
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: want to say, is he a Hall of Famer? LaMarcus

990
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: Aldridge retired yesterday? If people like, hey, he's a Hall

991
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: of famor I say he's a Hall of Famer, and

992
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: Danian Lillis say he retires number and I'm like, wait

993
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: a minute. I mean he was he was a good

994
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: player and played fifteen NBA systems and made the All

995
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: Star Team seven times. But when I think about the

996
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: greatest basketball players at all time, is LaMarcus Aldridge. That

997
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: is Julian Edelman, one of the greatest wide receivers of

998
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: all time, that we need to put him in Canton

999
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: and say, kids, we can't tell the story of the

1000
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: National Football League without Julian Elman. Yes you can, Yes

1001
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: you can. Yeah, I could tell the story. It was

1002
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: Tom Rady, kids, Tom. I mean, okay, we Wes Welker

1003
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: was a really good white receiver. Okay, Wes Walker was

1004
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: that slot guy. And then after Wes Welker they dumped him.

1005
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: They brought up Danny Ammondola, they brought in Julian Ellman.

1006
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: We never heard anything from Wes Welker once he left.

1007
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: He didn't really do much. He went to New England.

1008
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean he went to Denver and played on the

1009
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 1: Super Bowl team and got beat by Seattle. And Danny

1010
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: Amondola didn't really do much. I mean, Julian Edelman is

1011
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: a nice player, but he's a product of the system. Man,

1012
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: He's definitely a product of a system. But I gotta

1013
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: get him shout out because you know, mac representative Mid

1014
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: American Conference came from Kent State, So I'll give him

1015
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: a shout out on that one. But overall, man, I

1016
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: would not say he was a Hall of Fame candidate.

1017
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: I mean, we got a quick disrespect in the guys

1018
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: that are in the Hall of Fame right now. I mean,

1019
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: those are some of the guys that, like you said,

1020
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: you can't write the history of the NFL without placing

1021
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: those guys in there. I mean, are we really gonna

1022
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: say that that Julian Edelman was on the level of

1023
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: a Randy Moss or even even a guy like Drew

1024
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: Pearson who had to wait so long to get into

1025
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: the National Football League, who I believe it was a

1026
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: much better receiver than Julian Edelman. I mean, there's countless

1027
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: and countless and countless examples of wide receivers who put

1028
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: up better numbers than Julian Edelman. Yes, his playoffs stats

1029
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: are immaculate. They're immaculate. I think he's second to only

1030
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice in all the major receiving categories when it

1031
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: comes to the playoffs. But that's kind of a longevity thing.

1032
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's played an over twenty playoff games, so

1033
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's kind of like you have a

1034
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: select few guys that are played that much that many

1035
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: playoff games that kind of can put up those type

1036
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: of numbers. But like I said, I mean, he has

1037
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: a great story. He's a you know, he's a hard competitor.

1038
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: I mean I went against him a couple of times,

1039
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: and he's one of those guys. He loves a chat,

1040
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: he loves just talk and chit chat the whole game.

1041
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: He kind of gets under your skin. And he's a

1042
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: tough he's a tough guy. I mean I always remember

1043
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: that he took from Cam Chancellor in the Super Bowl

1044
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: over the middle. It was hit on wow, and Cam Chancellor,

1045
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: as we know, is probably one of the most hard

1046
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: hitting safeties the NFL has ever had, and he ate that.

1047
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: He ate that hit, kept stumbling forward for a little

1048
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: bit and then failed. So he's he's a tough, greedy competitor.

1049
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: But that always doesn't doesn't translate to being a Hall

1050
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: of Fame player. I think he was a great player,

1051
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean, a good player overall. If there was a

1052
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Good, he would definitely be in there. But

1053
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame, I just can't put him that far.

1054
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: He had a great career, but not a Hall of

1055
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: Fame career. And there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing

1056
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: wrong with that. He can still put his hat on

1057
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: his career because he had a heck of a of

1058
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: a long career. Most players don't even play as long

1059
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: as he had, so he had a great career, but

1060
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame worthy. I'm gonna have to pass on

1061
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: that one, Okay. So you bring up Drew Pierson, and

1062
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: Drew Pierson is the guy who was the first Team

1063
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: All Decade nineteen seventies. He and the great Lens Swan

1064
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: were the first the two guys wide receiver. And I

1065
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: looked over at Julian Edelman and said, okay, was at

1066
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: some point in time was Julian Edelman All decade? Because

1067
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: these are some of the things that you throw in there,

1068
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: because obviously he's a part of three Super Bowl teams

1069
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: and he was a Super Bowl MVP. Oh, by the way,

1070
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: I got bust of stereoidtenuments four games. Let's not forget

1071
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: about that. But Julian Edelman was not a part of

1072
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: the All Decade team for the two thousand and tens.

1073
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: Your two thousand tens white receivers here they are Antonio Brown,

1074
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, Megatron, Calvin Johnson, and Julio Jones. He's not

1075
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: in that category, Okay, Julian Edeman that category, that's what

1076
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: we're talking about. What you're talking about. Let me talk

1077
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: about Hall of Fame wide receivers, and we just saw

1078
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: Megatron is getting in. Megatron and Drew Pearson are the

1079
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: same class for twenty twenty one. Julian Edelman, he's not antonio' brown.

1080
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: He's not Antonio o' brown. Okay, we're talking about guys

1081
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 1: who were all Pro receivers and Pro Bowl receivers year

1082
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 1: in a year out. Julian Edelman wasn't that guy. Julian

1083
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: Edelman was a fantastic piece to the New England Patriots

1084
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: and what they did, and he deserves to be in

1085
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: the Patriots Hall of Fame. But this nan should not

1086
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: be in Canton. I'm sorry. He went to Kent State,

1087
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: that's right down the road from Canton. But the only

1088
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: way he gets in is to go see Tom Brady

1089
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: get inducted. But Julian Edelman is not that. He's not

1090
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: that people. My buddy Tom Current over NBC sports Ball said,

1091
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 1: we'll look at what he did, the great playoff games

1092
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: he had. That's all good and dandy, but that's not

1093
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. And we've got too many guys who

1094
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: are legitimate Hall of famers who can't find a way

1095
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: in you know Roger Craig, Well, Roger Craig was a

1096
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: running back. Roger Craig was a heck of a running back.

1097
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: Here's the guy that was your first one thousand yard

1098
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: receiver in one thousand yard running back and everybody's looking

1099
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: for that dude today. Roger Craig was doing that when

1100
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: it was still more of a running league, and when

1101
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: they were passing, they weren't passing the wall to the

1102
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: running backs his weapons like that. I mean, now you're

1103
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: running back. If you're not a weapon and you can't

1104
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: catch the football, man, nobody wants you on their teams anymore.

1105
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: So this is a guy who can't get into the

1106
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame right now. So when I look at

1107
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: Julian Alam and I say, you know, no, Hines Ward

1108
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: was a Super Bowl MVP with the Pittsburgh Seals, Hines

1109
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: Ward's not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And

1110
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: I don't have an issue that Hines isn't. But I'm

1111
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: just saying, man, there's other dudes that we could sit

1112
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: up here and talk about and say, hey, man, is

1113
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: he a better player? Is he a better player than

1114
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 1: Steve Smith and Kom Bolden, Andre Johnson when they play

1115
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: nah Man, he was a part of a very He

1116
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: was a part of a really good winning culture and

1117
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 1: did his part to help that culture win. But that

1118
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: doesn't translate the Hall of Fame. Man. I'm sorry. Let

1119
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. Do you think I know

1120
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 1: he put up numbers in that in that New England system,

1121
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: But do you think he could put up those even

1122
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: close to those numbers anywhere else? Like if if you

1123
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: think he's strictly a system receiver, like, do you think

1124
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: he can just go to the Cleveland Browns and put

1125
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: up those same type of numbers. Look, West Welker was

1126
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: a guy who was in Miami, and Wes Welker didn't

1127
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: He was just a guy. He goes to New England

1128
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: and Westwinder becomes a really good football player, and then

1129
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: he ended up going to Denver and was a part

1130
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: of that that six hundred point team the Broncos had.

1131
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: They went to the Super Bowl and Peyton Manning was

1132
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: unanimous MVP, throwing fifty five touchdowns that year, but they

1133
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: got obliterated the Super Bowl when they lost forty eight thirteen.

1134
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: So here's a guy who played with two of the

1135
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: greatest quarterbacks of all time, who had two of their

1136
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: greatest seasons of all time. And he was a part

1137
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: of those teams when Brady was the MVP a through

1138
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: for fifty. West Welker was on that team. But Wes

1139
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: Welker was in my opinion, you were all part of

1140
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: the system. You know. West Walker was a great player.

1141
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: But yes, Peyton Manning was there. But guess what, you

1142
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: know what, Peyton Manning played and made a lot of

1143
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: other receivers look good too. So to me, West Walker

1144
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: was just he was just a guy who fit that system.

1145
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: Danny Amondola was replaced, Okay, that was the West Welker replacement.

1146
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: Danny A. Mendola ended up catching some touchdown passes in

1147
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, being a part of some Super Bowl

1148
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: teams went to Detroit. What did you do in Detroit

1149
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: for man, Patricia? Nothing? He was just a guy. It's

1150
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 1: twelve man, And why didn't we just see this year?

1151
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: Why don't we just see this year? Twelve left the building?

1152
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: Where are the Patriots the basement at the AFC East

1153
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: right now, They're in the basement trying to climb the

1154
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: way back up. And I'm gonna ask you this, do

1155
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: all those guys in New in New England, who opted out?

1156
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: Do they opt out if Tom Brady is the quarterback?

1157
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: Highly doubted, I highly exactly exactly how many guys in

1158
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay did you see opt out when they found

1159
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: out Tom Brady was their quarterback? They was in. They

1160
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: was all in that I'm gonna risch that thing was

1161
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: so you know, and it's the it's it's tom Brady

1162
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: has excelled in making slot guys look good, and Peyton

1163
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: Manning did the same thing. Um, who's the little dude

1164
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: from Tampa Bay the slot receiver that caught the big

1165
00:56:52,760 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: touchdown pass right before halftime? Scotty Miller Bowl Green Mac representator. Okay,

1166
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: tom Brady. Tom Brady makes those guys look good. Danny

1167
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: Amadola was a guy the Cowboys had in camp and cut. Okay.

1168
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: Danny amold started with the Cowboys, then ended up going

1169
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 1: to Philadelphia, didn't work out there, ended up with Saint Louis,

1170
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: and then he went to the New England Patriots. What

1171
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: did we see along his career? What did he pop?

1172
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: He got? He got with Tom Brady and tom Brady

1173
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: so he left and soon as he left, he folded

1174
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: up and soon as he left, he fell off a cliff.

1175
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: So I mean all those receivers that you need there definitely,

1176
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, system guys, and nothing against you Edelman and

1177
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: Amadola and those guys because they had great careers. But

1178
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,959
Speaker 1: when you're a system guy, if you're not that guy

1179
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: that defenses focus on and put everything the other efforts

1180
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: towards you, and you still torch them like a Randy

1181
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: Moss was able to do. I can't sit here and

1182
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: and and say that you deserve to be in the

1183
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Definitely not a first ballot Hall of Famer,

1184
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure who'll ever get in. So for me,

1185
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: that's the that's the toll for me. Now, that's the

1186
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: that's the bar for me. If you can be that

1187
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: guy on an offense, no matter the system, if you

1188
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: can beat that guy and still put up numbers, even

1189
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: know you're getting all the focus of every defense on you,

1190
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: then and you could be worthy of a Hall of

1191
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: Fame career. But Edelman, he had a great one, just

1192
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: not a Hall of Fame one. I'll go back to

1193
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: another receiver that Tom Brady really found a way to

1194
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: have success with and was a Super Bowl MVP. That

1195
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: was Dean Branch, and Dean Branch got to where he

1196
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: got into contract dis pete with the Patriots and they

1197
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: ended up sending him to Seattle, and guess what, it

1198
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: didn't work out. He wasn't that guy with Tom Without

1199
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, he wasn't. And then he ended up going

1200
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: back to New England. So to me, that's how I

1201
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: see these guys. Tom Brady won a lot of Super Bowls.

1202
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: What a lot of dudes. What a lot of dudes

1203
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: that we saw. Hey man, it was the quarterback. And

1204
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: one of the best things Tom Brady ever did in

1205
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: his career was to make that move to Tampa Bay.

1206
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: So people aren't sitting around here anymore saying, well, was

1207
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: it Belichick was a Brady or they were both each

1208
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: other and it was Tom Brady. Give Tom Brady his

1209
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: due as the greatest quarterback of all time. If you

1210
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: don't want to make him great, definitely put him in

1211
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: the top three. But this guy truly showed you what

1212
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: a difference he can make in an organization when you

1213
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: do things the way he wants to do. He loved

1214
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: what he had and Julian Edelman and he looked at

1215
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: Scottie Millers. I think you could do some of the

1216
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: same things. He loved what he had adon Branch deone branch.

1217
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: They didn't want to pay. That's when they got Wes

1218
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: Wilker and they started rolling from there and they kept

1219
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: it going. It's the system, man. Julian Edelman is a

1220
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: product of the system. He's not a Hall of Famer.

1221
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: He's a great player. He should be in the Patriots

1222
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. That's my take on he. I agree

1223
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: a hundred percent. I agree one hundred percent what you man,

1224
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: all right, but that's one hour. Man. We didn't even

1225
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: get to Justin Field. Lewis's ad this about Justin Fields.

1226
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: He's got his pro day today. Charlie Cashuley, former Washington

1227
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: and Houston GM. By the way, he was at Houston.

1228
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: Gim took David Carr with the number one pick in

1229
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: the draft. H Yeah, he said Justin Fields was gonna

1230
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: go twenty four. That's what Charlie Cashley twenty four, twenty four?

1231
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,439
Speaker 1: But why what makes him like? I don't I don't

1232
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: understand like what makes like why why? I just don't

1233
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: understand it at all? You think he's gonna dropped that

1234
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: far with it? With as much need as some teams

1235
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: had for the quarterback position, you think he's gonna drop

1236
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: all the way to twenty four. You think there's twenty

1237
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: four better prospects or twenty three better prospects in this

1238
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: draft than Justin Fields. I mean, we're talking about the

1239
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: quarterback position. That's the most important position in the national

1240
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: football Here's the quarterback. They have the ball each and

1241
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: every down there, they they make the offense go. And

1242
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: you think that type of town's gonna drop all the

1243
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,959
Speaker 1: way to twenty fourth. I mean, we've seen it happen

1244
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: with an air Rodgers who dropped the twenty twenty second.

1245
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: But I just don't see it happened. I don't see

1246
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: it happening. And yeah at all. So here here's where

1247
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: when I when I was watching it, I just kind

1248
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: of laughed at myself. And for him to drop to

1249
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: twenty four to the steam, there's means that Washington at

1250
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: nineteen and the Bears at twenty would have passed on

1251
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: Justin Fields. And there's no want fifteen true true? I

1252
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: mean so that yeah, so those are three fits. Those

1253
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: are three fits right there that you and I see.

1254
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: I just don't see it happened, Chica. I was willing

1255
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: to give up three number one picks to go get

1256
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. They're desperate to find a quarterback. Yeah, they

1257
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: signed Andy Dalton on a ten million dollars one year deal.

1258
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: But these guys jobs, you know, the GM and the

1259
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: head coach, their jobs could be in the ballots if

1260
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: they can't make a playoff run this year. You get

1261
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: a guy like justin Fields, now you're able to use

1262
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: the good old excuse, well he was young, Well we

1263
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: see him coming, we can help develop him. That's why

1264
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: I just laugh when I saw with Charlie Cash and

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Speaker 1: we put out there for his mock draft at Fields

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Speaker 1: falls the twenty four. There are too many football teams

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Speaker 1: out there that will go ahead and take this guy

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Speaker 1: way before twenty four. It's gotta be click baby. Man,

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Speaker 1: there's no way he seriously thinks that that guy's gonna

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Speaker 1: drop all the way down to twenty fourth. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's there's just no way, like you said, with all

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Speaker 1: those teams out there that are in need of a

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Speaker 1: quarterback and have that built in excuse like, yeah, he's young,

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Speaker 1: so I need another year with him. Another year will

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Speaker 1: be we'll be better with him. I just I just

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Speaker 1: can't see him going all the way to twenty fourth.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look what happened when Aaron Rodgers with the

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Speaker 1: twenty second. You think all those teams ahead of him

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Speaker 1: that passed up on him didn't win that they had

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Speaker 1: a chance at him again. So I don't think that

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Speaker 1: will happen again. I think I think he just was

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Speaker 1: clicked baiting. And I didn't even add in the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: I mean, John Gruten is not gonna pack, and so

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Speaker 1: are the turmoil over there. Yeah, I mean there's just

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Speaker 1: no way. There's just no way, all right. So Charlie Cashley,

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Speaker 1: just I just shake my head. So, yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: the same guy who said that Derek Carr was a

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Speaker 1: great player. It was number one pick and did get

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Speaker 1: the kid anything at all? And yeah, he ended up

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Speaker 1: his career as a backup quarterback. So hey, that's the

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Speaker 1: players line. We appreciate it. Please tell a friend out

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Speaker 1: there about the podcast. Um, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: checking us out. He's buried Church former Dallas Cowboys safety

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Speaker 1: an excellent job. We appreciate you, Chris Man, your master

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Speaker 1: at what you do. I knew he Scruggs. We'll check

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