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Speaker 1: Today we have another episode of Your Wrong Friend, this.

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Speaker 2: Time arguing which which is most wicked.

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Speaker 1: So there may be some spoilers for which stories, but

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Speaker 1: nothing too spoilerific for you.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 4: My name is Jason Concepcion and I am host Rosie

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Speaker 4: of x ray Vision and welcome back to Xtra Vision,

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Speaker 4: the podcast where you dive deep with your favors, movies,

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Speaker 4: comments and.

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Speaker 2: Pop culture coming from my heart.

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Speaker 4: We're bringing you three episodes a week, plus news on

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Speaker 1: Today we have a special episode of Your Wrong Friend

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Speaker 1: in which we hold up our sacred opinions to attack

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Speaker 1: and debate and decide which pop culture thing someone is

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Speaker 1: wrong about. Headmaster Jason will be the supreme judge today

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Speaker 1: along with Professor sort of Potions Joel Monique and Wow,

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Speaker 1: you might not guess who the guest is going to

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Speaker 1: be arguing, but it's not Host Rosie.

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Speaker 4: Drink your magic potion and come out as as contested Rosie,

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Speaker 4: and please welcome now Judge Joel to the stage. Judge Joel,

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Speaker 4: how are you?

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Speaker 2: Ah?

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Speaker 3: I'm grey.

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Speaker 5: I love talking about which is especially from our two

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Speaker 5: contestants to which experts you might say, I'm really excited

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Speaker 5: to see who's going to be doing battle for us.

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Speaker 4: That's right. Please welcome now the complainants in the which

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Speaker 4: witch case? First up, she is one half of the

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Speaker 4: screen Queens. It is super producer Carmen. Carmen, how are

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Speaker 4: you ah.

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Speaker 6: I'm doing so well. I am excited to present my

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Speaker 6: witch today.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. And on the other side,

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Speaker 4: she is one half of the hosting pair of X

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Speaker 4: ray Vision. To welcome now the complainant Rosie Night, Rosie,

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Speaker 4: how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here on X ray Vision

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Speaker 1: as a contestant on Your Wrong Friend, which which I

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Speaker 1: will be presenting a X ray Vision favorite which today, guys,

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Speaker 1: what can I think?

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Speaker 4: So A quick reminder for our audience of the format.

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Speaker 4: We're going to start with an opening statement from each

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Speaker 4: of our contestants. We will then move to a rebuttal

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Speaker 4: section in which both of our contestants get to pick

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Speaker 4: apart of the other's argument. We will then go to

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Speaker 4: judge questions, in which Joel and I will interview the complainants,

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Speaker 4: and then we will have our closing statements, and then

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Speaker 4: we will go to the jury and the jury is

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Speaker 4: Joel and I Are you ready?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Are you ready, common, let's do it.

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Speaker 6: I'm ready as i'll ever bring coin.

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Speaker 4: The coin is flipping in my mind, and I have

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Speaker 4: decided that Carmen, you will go first.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I see what you don't know.

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Speaker 2: I love that coin flip technique. Let's bring it back

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Speaker 2: next time.

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Speaker 6: The technology I manipulated that coin in Jason's mind.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so already getting witchy.

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Speaker 6: Guys, Rosy and the panel esteemed panel of judges. I

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Speaker 6: have a very good witch for you today. The witch

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Speaker 6: that I believe is the most powerful. She is so

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Speaker 6: be begging the judges to vote. And her name is

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Speaker 6: the amazing Bayoneta. So Baneta is a witch who demons

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Speaker 6: with her all right. And she has the ability, uh

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Speaker 6: She's got four guns on both hands and both feet. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean, come on, she's doing kaiju battles. She can sing,

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Speaker 6: and she's committed to sisterhood above all her her best

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Speaker 3: She is.

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Speaker 6: She stands out an astounding six foot almost ten feet tall,

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Speaker 1: Carmon said, witch hunters, you will be able to easily

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Speaker 6: And she has an arsenal of weapons, so she has

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Speaker 6: she's got guns, she's got swords, she's got it all.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Carmen, Rosie Knight, please step to the microphone

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Speaker 4: and tell us about your witch.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I want to thank my esteemed competition

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Speaker 1: common for always coming in with a good, deep cop

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Speaker 1: queer legend like Bannit.

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Speaker 2: I do feel like that is a great pick. Do

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Speaker 2: I feel like a traditional witch uses guns? But do

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Speaker 2: I think that that's cool? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, so my witch is we got one deep cut,

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Speaker 1: one fave for you guys.

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Speaker 2: That's always how we play. On next revision, I'm going

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Speaker 2: for the Scarlet Witch. Ever heard, ever heard of her?

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Speaker 1: You're talking about a witch created from two of the

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Speaker 1: greatest minds of Marvel Comics, Stanley and Jack Kirby.

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Speaker 2: She's been around.

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Speaker 1: Since nineteen sixty four. Her powers are immense. You know,

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Speaker 1: she used to be more of a sorceress who could

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Speaker 1: alter probability, but now she is arguably one of Marvel's

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Speaker 1: most powerful heroes, if not the most powerful. Also, you

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Speaker 1: like fairy tales, you like weird stuff, you like law, Well,

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Speaker 1: guess what babes Scarlet Witch. She was raised by a

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Speaker 1: cow named Bova on a magical mountain called Mount Wondergore.

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Speaker 1: That is some fairy tale business. Not only has she

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Speaker 1: been in the West Coast Avengers, she is in fot

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Speaker 1: is also, as many Witch has been persecuted throughout the years.

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Speaker 1: So you cannot blame her for all the murder and mayhem.

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Speaker 2: I must say she has been tortured, picked.

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Speaker 1: On, brainwashed, married off to cag the conqueror attemptedly. This

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Speaker 1: woman has been through it. But you know what, she's

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Speaker 1: so powerful. Her style is incredible. Whether she's being brought

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Speaker 1: the leather pants, she has the leather crown. You will

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Speaker 1: always recognize her. Her powers incredible. She can create entire

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Speaker 1: worlds from her mind. Now should she do that, that's questionable, guys,

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Speaker 1: but we're not here to judge her right now.

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Speaker 2: She's gone. She doesn't have her kids.

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Speaker 1: They've been taken away by evil machinations of men around her.

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Speaker 1: Like many witches, she has connections to the Salem Witch Trials.

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Speaker 1: She has mentors like Agatha Harkness, but they are also enemies.

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Speaker 2: It's a complicated thing.

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Speaker 1: I will say she is not necessarily as for the

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Speaker 1: Witch does care about her other mutants. Whether she is

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Speaker 1: ultimately make the right choice. And for those out there

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Speaker 1: the case. She's coming back. Wonder always comes back, which

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Speaker 1: So she is a witch who can create life, end life,

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Speaker 1: do incredible spells. Also, if we're talking about style, her

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Speaker 1: Scarlet Witch is the Witch, and I lay that down

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Speaker 4: Carmen, are you ready for your rebuttal period?

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Speaker 6: I'm ready.

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Speaker 4: I'm ready start the clock.

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Speaker 6: Well, Scarlet Witch, you know what that is A I

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Speaker 6: will say, a fair attempt to bring down the most

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Speaker 3: Now I will.

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Speaker 6: Say the Scarlet Witch. I will give her that she

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Speaker 6: But I ask you who is creating those worlds? Who

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Speaker 6: Because let me tell you, Bayonetta she has those people

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Speaker 6: She spent a few hundred of those under the water

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that.

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Speaker 6: Scarlet Witch has all of the demons of Hell behind her,

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Speaker 6: you know, but I think she's got, She's got. It's

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Speaker 6: But I do think that with Bayonetta's ability to use

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Speaker 2: I like that the team up, the team up. Scott

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Speaker 2: tell us her best style? What's the best style?

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Speaker 6: Oh well, I mean, come on, her clothes are made

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Speaker 6: out of her hair. And when she asked to some

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Speaker 6: what can Scarlett whit to do with her hair? I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm says, well, exact thank you to our thank

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Speaker 4: you to our guests, are contestants, are judge. The judges

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Speaker 4: and then we're going to come back with some questions.

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Speaker 5: Jason, before we dismiss our contestants and retired numbers. I

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Speaker 5: have a very quick question that I need answered. Uh,

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Speaker 5: can you give us your witch's class alignment?

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Speaker 3: Are they? Are they neutral?

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Speaker 3: Lawful? Evil? Where where do you picture your individual witch

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Speaker 1: I will say that that you know, I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: if there is a canonical alignment for Scarlet Witch, but

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Speaker 1: she is definitely chaotic good. I think that is where

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Speaker 1: she lands with Scarlet Witch. She's she's generally trying to

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Speaker 1: common how about you?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Banada is most certainly a chaotic good character. She

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Speaker 6: is ch crazy, she's sassy, she's sexy. Yeah, but she

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Speaker 5: And I respect it me too. Okay, great, thank you, Judge,

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Speaker 4: Do you have a favorite witch?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yes, and but it's it's a real deep cut. It's

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Speaker 4: Uh, the contestants are not in chambers.

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Speaker 3: Get out of here. Contestants, do not listen to get that.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, we're here with our feet, were our shoes off.

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Speaker 1: It are like.

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Speaker 4: Do you not? You're not here?

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Speaker 5: My second favorite, which is Angela Bassett in Horror Story,

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Speaker 4: I gotta go the O g do hell yam, you know,

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Speaker 3: See, and here you're in.

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Speaker 1: One.

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Speaker 3: She did not deserve this two.

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Speaker 5: I think you're lies the distinct difference in our judging.

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Speaker 5: what stood out to you about our contestants arguments up front?

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Speaker 4: It's that we are dealing with two very powerful witches. Yes,

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Speaker 3: What about you?

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Speaker 4: What's stand out to you?

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Speaker 5: You know, you're talking about style I'm thinking about like

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Speaker 3: But then I am not.

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Speaker 5: I haven't played a lot with banettas, so you know,

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Speaker 5: My God, she's so cool. So I do think style

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Speaker 4: Well, I think I think context is going to be important, right,

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Speaker 4: start with you, Carmen. Carmen, tell us about Bayonetta's witch

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Speaker 6: She descend She comes from a long legacy of which

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Speaker 6: Who oh, you know what, I can't remember them, right, now,

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Speaker 3: But she is.

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Speaker 6: Mainly getting her power from the underworld, which you know,

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Speaker 4: Oh, okay, Rosie, same question tell us about want to

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Speaker 1: So Scarlet Witch comes from a long line of Romany

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Speaker 2: There have been centuries.

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Speaker 1: Of Maximovs who have gone by either the Scarlet Witch

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Speaker 2: There is years of power.

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Speaker 1: they have been fighting Agatha Harkness, a witch of New Salem.

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Speaker 1: So this is hundreds of years of which protection against

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Speaker 2: Yet she is an ongoing magic.

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Speaker 2: Who has to study. So she is the og witch

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Rosie, uh Joelle?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, So, contestants, I'm struggling with the chaotic

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Speaker 6: Well, that's a perfect question. She would immediately go into

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Speaker 3: Nobody would be harmed.

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Speaker 6: Nobody would even actually in this situation, would even know

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Speaker 5: Oh man, an idyllic A solution to this horrifying problem was.

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Speaker 3: Truly truly great. Okay. So Rosie, in a similar vein

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Speaker 1: Maybe I would say, like, I would just say that

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Speaker 2: It's not like the five hundred Years got Gotcha?

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Speaker 3: Gotcha?

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Speaker 5: Gotcha?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Okay.

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Speaker 5: In that case, Want to Maximov is confronted by Charles

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Speaker 1: Look is look, Charles Xavier, first of all, just stop

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Speaker 1: So I think what she would do is she would

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Speaker 2: How about we let women be powerful?

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Speaker 1: And then she would, you know, talk to those women

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Speaker 1: Let's be free. But also let's let's make sure he

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Speaker 2: So Charles Xavier stop, and.

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Speaker 1: Maybe she would come into the x mansion and teach

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Speaker 3: Charles Xavier, Okay, she's out here educating.

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Speaker 1: I think that I have been very impressed, as always

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Speaker 1: in Marvel. Scarlet Witch existed outside of the black Hat

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Speaker 2: I think she is the witch.

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Speaker 1: I think most kids would recognize Scarlet Witch, and I

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Speaker 6: Carmen, all right, well, I think you know Byanetta is

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Speaker 6: She's sexy, sexy, she's smart, she's cool. She invented the

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Speaker 4: Thank you to our contestants. Let's take a quick break

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Speaker 5: I do have a lead runner. I think one of

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Speaker 4: Because I think it's important that I think we need

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Speaker 5: Sure, sure, yeah, okay, So to me, a witch has

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Speaker 5: to be about like about four things, Okay, One is okay,

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Speaker 5: style a whitch should be substantive. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 5: We'll get there. But I need her to look good,

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Speaker 5: and I need her to cast spells good. I need

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Speaker 5: her spells to look cool. Her domicile should look cool

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Speaker 5: as hell like. I need all of it to really click.

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Speaker 3: Just laid her head a night.

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Speaker 5: That needs to be dope too. Two I need her

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Speaker 5: to be a capital F feminist. She needs to be

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Speaker 5: about the girlies. She's here for the women, whether it's

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Speaker 5: Coven style, whether she's out getting revenge for the women.

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Speaker 5: I'm not partial to how she does it, but she

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Speaker 5: needs to be about the ladies, okay. Three she does

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Speaker 5: have had to have gone through some kind of ordeal,

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Speaker 5: some sort of hurdle, whether that's and usually it's men.

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Speaker 5: Men have wronged her and she's overcome. That's how we

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Speaker 5: become witches. And three the magic needs to make sense.

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Speaker 5: In other words, if she don't have some kind of

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Speaker 5: like limits, boundaries, construction around how the magic works within

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Speaker 5: their world should be excellent. Otherwise it becomes the boring

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Speaker 5: character really fast. Those are my fourtennantes. How are you

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Speaker 5: judging the best witch?

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Speaker 4: I think those are the great I think those are

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Speaker 4: great to go to. I'm gonna add I'm gonna add

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Speaker 4: philosophy and ethics to it, because I think power is

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Speaker 4: nothing without some sort of ideology to govern it. But

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Speaker 4: I like yours a lot, and I will say that

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Speaker 4: I think I think it's going to be a close one.

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Speaker 4: You know, style is push. I think for the girlies,

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Speaker 4: the coven action is an interesting conversation, and I think

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Speaker 4: that the power set making sense. I think it might.

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Speaker 4: I think that might be the defining I think it

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Speaker 4: might be the defining question in many ways. Let's return

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Speaker 4: to the courtroom, okay, and give our verdict, and we're back.

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Speaker 4: Rosie Carmen, thank you so much for bringing this case

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Speaker 4: before us. It's very interesting, it's quite compelling, and I

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Speaker 4: think we have a verdict for you. Joel, would you

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Speaker 4: like to start?

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 5: Now, I would like to say I have mad respect

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Speaker 5: for both of these witches.

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Speaker 3: They've been through so much.

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Speaker 5: They've both served and delivered when it comes to looks.

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Speaker 5: They've made risky and difficult choices that I hope never'd

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Speaker 5: have to face in my life.

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Speaker 3: I could not judge them really.

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Speaker 5: Okay, they're amazing people, but someone has to be a winner,

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Speaker 5: and because of her willingness, nay I say, daring to

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Speaker 5: travel to Hell to save her bestie, because.

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Speaker 6: Of the heat, because of the way, because the hair.

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Speaker 5: Is both a prop and accessory and potentially a weapon.

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Speaker 3: Okay, because because her powers.

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Speaker 5: Episode dope, and she seems, at least in my limited

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Speaker 5: knowledge of this conversation of her, to be ultimately a

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Speaker 5: good chaotic witch. I'm gonna vote for Banetta. Harmon you

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Speaker 5: have won me over.

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Speaker 2: And I love this. Yeah, I'll take it common. You

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Speaker 2: did a fantastic job.

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Speaker 4: Jason, Well, I will say it was quite It's quite close.

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Speaker 4: And I think for style, it's a push. It's really

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Speaker 4: up to uh, you know, you know, whatever one prefers,

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Speaker 4: you can't. There's nothing really to critique about the style

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Speaker 4: of either Wanda's has evolved over time, but all the

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Speaker 4: evolutions have been have been wonderful. I think in terms

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Speaker 4: of being for the Sisterhood, both of them do it

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Speaker 4: in different ways. Bayonetta in a more direct action kind

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Speaker 4: of way, charging the gates of Hell in order to

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Speaker 4: do that. Wanda as a symbol, I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think her interpersonal relationships kind of boots on the

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Speaker 4: ground level are more complex, but in terms of what

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Speaker 4: she embodies and what she means and what she symbolizes

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Speaker 4: to so many, it's you know, hard to say anything

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Speaker 4: against her. I came down to the For me, it

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Speaker 4: came down to the powers. And Okay, I agree that

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Speaker 4: that the guns are not they're not typical, but the

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Speaker 4: bullet magic is compelling. And I think the fact that

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Speaker 4: Bayonetta is a is comes from video games means that

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Speaker 4: the powers are they have to make sense within some

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Speaker 4: sort of a system. And I think while I love Wanda,

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Speaker 4: one weakness in her presentation, I think throughout time has

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Speaker 4: kind of been that uh Stan and Jack and whoever else,

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Speaker 4: mostly guys that have been writing her, they never really

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Speaker 4: got their arms around the magical system in a way

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Speaker 4: that wasn't just like Wanda gets excited and bad.

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Speaker 2: Marshall, she's literally a chaos magician.

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Speaker 3: She got really mad or.

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Speaker 4: She got you know, and and so therefore, and I

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Speaker 4: want to stress that I love both of these, which

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Speaker 4: of course I think.

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Speaker 2: That was a very fun pull.

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Speaker 4: And I think I'm gonna lean towards Benetta because because

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Speaker 4: of the structurerowd air, and again that is no shade

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Speaker 4: to to want to Maxim off the Door, but who

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Speaker 4: we absolutely adore and means the world too many many guys.

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Speaker 2: I would say the most important thing here is that.

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Speaker 1: We have come to the conclusion that there needs to

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Speaker 1: be a version of Scarlet Witch with guns and Bayonetta

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Speaker 1: Scarlet Witch crossover team up.

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Speaker 2: The team up and they both need guns. Let's get

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Speaker 2: gradual Witch guns.

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Speaker 4: I'm proud of you. Congratulations to our contestants. Congratulations to

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Speaker 4: our winner, Bayonetta and Carmen. In the next few episodes

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Speaker 4: of X ray Vision, it's another episode of XRGC where

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Speaker 4: we're talking Prestige TV, including Tim Robinson's insane and indescribable

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Speaker 4: Check Company and more, plus news coming this weekend. That's

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Speaker 4: it for this episode. Next for listening Bye. X ray

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Speaker 4: Vision is hosted by Jason Conceps Young and Rosie Knight

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Speaker 4: and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron.

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Speaker 4: Kaufman are supervising producers Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean, Jonathan and Bay Wag.

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Speaker 4: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 4: songs by Aaron Kauffman.

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