Speaker 1: A media Good morning podcast fans, and welcome to it
Speaker 1: could happen here. It's me James today and I'm joined
Speaker 1: by my friend and colleague, Garrison Davis Haige.
Speaker 2: Hello. Hey, So what I don't want to talk about
Speaker 2: today is a little piece I wrote.
Speaker 1: I read it on my patreoon that I want to
Speaker 1: kind of discuss it, but here read it to you
Speaker 1: and talk about it about what.
Speaker 2: We talk about when we talk about immigration.
Speaker 1: So if you recently sent me associated pressed piece on
Speaker 1: the Dadian gap, and the piece was reflecting on the
Speaker 1: loss of economic opportunity for the Mbra people who had
Speaker 1: previously sold, as you heard in my series right products
Speaker 1: services accommodation to migrants coming through a Garian gap. But
Speaker 1: if you read that whole piece, you'd never know they
Speaker 1: were Mburra because the word Mbra doesn't occur once in
Speaker 1: the piece, right, You'd never know that the Mbra people existed.
Speaker 1: They never appear in the story. Instead, He which is
Speaker 1: currently going toe to toe with the Trump administration on
Speaker 1: whether it should call the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf
Speaker 1: of America or not, and was ejected from the White
Speaker 1: House press pool at one point for refusing to call
Speaker 1: it the Gulf of America used to phrase Comarca Indigenous
Speaker 1: Lands in its reporting, which I don't know where this
Speaker 1: came from. It has kind of a strange capitalization. If
Speaker 1: you were just reading the piece, you might think that
Speaker 1: that was the name of the comarca, like that it
Speaker 1: was a proper noun, but it's not. The commarker is
Speaker 1: like I guess you could you could roughlyquate that to
Speaker 1: an American state. It's like an administrative division of Panama.
Speaker 1: The name of the comarca is Embera un Nan, but
Speaker 1: that doesn't appear anywhere in the appiece, and you could
Speaker 1: to be clear, Like, I understand that some reporters don't
Speaker 1: speak Spanish. I understand that some reporters, like you know
Speaker 1: that they are not like particularly expertly given region. Neither
Speaker 1: am I that was my first time in Panama. But like,
Speaker 1: this is something you could find out on Google Maps.
Speaker 2: Right. It's not unique to the AP.
Speaker 1: It happens all the time, right, and I want to
Speaker 1: talk about that today because it happens at the US
Speaker 1: is Sudden Border too. One of the reasons that I
Speaker 1: wanted to go to the Dadian was because I felt
Speaker 1: like the Embiras story was not being told when people
Speaker 1: talked about the Dadian Gap. When they're mentioned at all,
Speaker 1: it's kind of in passing or not as people who
Speaker 1: have agency, right, And even I think these stories about
Speaker 1: like the lack of income that they have off to
Speaker 1: migrants leaving kind of strip them in of agency in
Speaker 1: the way that they're told. When people talk about the
Speaker 1: Darien Gap in media, they kind of use this heart
Speaker 1: of Darkness construction. Obviously it's Joseph Comrade novel, but like
Speaker 1: this idea that like it's where the wild things are,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it strikes me as very almost orientalist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, orientalist is what I was going to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like it completely discounts that there are
Speaker 1: thousands of people who live there, who've raised their families there,
Speaker 1: Their children play fucking basketball there, right, they spend their
Speaker 1: whole life there, and they bury their elders there and
Speaker 1: they have done for thousands of years.
Speaker 2: For them, it's their home, right.
Speaker 1: And I understand that the jungle could be scary, and
Speaker 1: I think anyone who's listened to my series will will
Speaker 1: understand that, Like the Jungle was scary for me sometimes,
Speaker 1: and it can be a very harsh environment. But if
Speaker 1: you're someone who belongs there, if you're comfortable there, it
Speaker 1: can also be home, and it could be beautiful and
Speaker 1: it could be bountiful. And I think the same thing
Speaker 1: is true of the mountains and deserts and rivers that
Speaker 1: make up the USA southern border. The desert can kill people,
Speaker 1: I'm well aware of that, But for the people who
Speaker 1: call it home, the desert is somewhere that contains their
Speaker 1: memories and their sacred spaces, their childhood recollections, and the
Speaker 1: remains of their ancestors.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And the emission of indigenous perspective is something that we
Speaker 1: saw again when Christian Home decided to wave a number
Speaker 1: of laws in order to facilitate after construction of.
Speaker 2: The border wall.
Speaker 1: So I want tod again the AP coverage there the AP,
Speaker 1: and again they're far from unique in this, right, Lots
Speaker 1: of other outlets did this too. They seem to have
Speaker 1: only engaged with the DHS press release as opposed to
Speaker 1: the actual proclamation by knowing which you can find in
Speaker 1: the federal register. Right, So the press release only focused
Speaker 1: on the environmental laws she was waving. DHS said, and
Speaker 1: I quote to cut through bureaucratic delays. DHS is waving
Speaker 1: environmental laws, including the National Environmental Policy Act, that could
Speaker 1: store vital products for months or even years. This waver
Speaker 1: clears the path for the rapid deployment of physical barriers
Speaker 1: where they're needed most, reinforcing our commitment to national security
Speaker 1: and the rule of law. The rule of law think
Speaker 1: kind of made me laugh as they were like, here
Speaker 1: we are waving like a dozen or so laws. But
Speaker 1: I'm not a big rule of law person, so I guess,
Speaker 1: like that's fine. It seems that almost every outlet though,
Speaker 1: like that's what they read and that's what they ran with,
Speaker 1: like that they're waving these environmental laws, and I think
Speaker 1: that can sometimes be this like we still see this
Speaker 1: all the time in the legacy press, Like when they
Speaker 1: talk about environmental laws, there's this idea that it's like
Speaker 1: some kind of like people who want to protect the
Speaker 1: flowers and the plants and like that it's not that serious,
Speaker 1: you know, and that like these environmental laws is something
Speaker 1: that's not that are nice but not necessary. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like some of these environmental laws, like specifically the ones
Speaker 1: that regulate water, will determine the future of places like California,
Speaker 1: like and obviously places south of the border, right, the
Speaker 1: water doesn't know where the border is, and like in
Speaker 1: the previous Trump administration, they wave some environmental laws, including
Speaker 1: ones about flood water, which that combined with the expedited
Speaker 1: way which they built the border wall, I guess, led
Speaker 1: to them not putting floodgates in part of the wall,
Speaker 1: which then led to the wall damming up with like
Speaker 1: dead trees and dead cacti right when it rained heavily,
Speaker 1: and then the wall becoming a barrier to water, and
Speaker 1: then the wall getting broken or washed away, right because
Speaker 1: it didn't have like sluice gates so they could.
Speaker 2: Open to let the water out.
Speaker 1: The ap went to someone called Earth Justice for comment,
Speaker 1: and to their credit, that person said, quote, waving environmental,
Speaker 1: cultural preservation and good governance laws that protect clean air,
Speaker 1: clean water, say god, precious cultural resources and preserve vibrant
Speaker 1: ecosystems of biodiversity, will only cause further harm to our
Speaker 1: border communities and ecosystems. That person is the only person
Speaker 1: who mentioned the cultural damage is being done here unless
Speaker 1: a reader themselves that the Federal Register isn't linked in
Speaker 1: any of these pieces, right, it really is I try
Speaker 1: and link to it when we talk about something in
Speaker 1: executive disorder. But unless you've found that yourself, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: know that. Along with waving these environmental laws, and like
Speaker 1: I've said, those are important, they also wave something called
Speaker 1: the Native American Grave Protection and Repatriation Act, according to
Speaker 1: the Department of the Interior. I was kind of surprised
Speaker 1: this was still up on their website. Actually, I thought
Speaker 1: this might have been purred, so like a lot of
Speaker 1: maybe it just.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's just like screwed by.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like well, I mean no, apparently no one
Speaker 1: fucking talks about it, so yeah, maybe they got away
Speaker 1: with it, you know, Like it's always funny going on
Speaker 1: government websites now and being like, oh it's gone, like
Speaker 1: finding dead links to so much, even in stories I've
Speaker 1: written in like twenty twenty, those links are dead now.
Speaker 1: Nagpur requires any federally funded entity to return human remains, sunery, possessions,
Speaker 1: objects of cultural patrimony, and sacred objects to the deceased
Speaker 1: persons and their descendants by and I'm quoting from a
Speaker 1: website now consulting with lineal descendants, Indian tribes and Native
Speaker 1: Hawaiian organizations, or Native American human remains and other cultural items,
Speaker 1: protecting and planning for Native American human remains and other
Speaker 1: cultural items that may be removed from federal or tribal lands,
Speaker 1: Identifying and reporting all Native American human remains and other
Speaker 1: cultural items in inventories and summaries of holdings or collections,
Speaker 1: and giving prior notice to repatriating or transferring human remains
Speaker 1: and other cultural items. So the waiver allows them not
Speaker 1: to do these things. Right, crucially, in the context of
Speaker 1: border wall construction, what allows them to do is not
Speaker 1: to conduct an archaeological survey before they dig the border wall.
Speaker 1: And again, like, I don't know why this isn't something
Speaker 1: the legacy media isn't concerned about. It wasn't in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty either. Right when they started doing this, they were
Speaker 1: blasting areas where something called midden soil was found. Mid
Speaker 1: and soil is soil that contains evidence of cremated human remains. Right,
Speaker 1: I wrote a piece in twenty twenty for Sierra about this. Normally,
Speaker 1: before these digs, there would be an archaeological survey done
Speaker 1: by a tribal representative would be there to take part
Speaker 1: in that. Right, that would take time and it would
Speaker 1: delay construction. Instead, right now, the construction will continue without
Speaker 1: considering it down. It's done to the cultural patrimony and
Speaker 1: ancestral remains of the Kumii people here in San Diego,
Speaker 1: whose homelands spanned both sides of the border, and who
Speaker 1: were here long before the US or Mexico was talking of.
Speaker 1: I can't think of a good fucking ad pivot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there really is no good activot for.
Speaker 2: Stuff like this. No, there's not. We're just going to
Speaker 2: do adverts now and we are back. The Cumi not the.
Speaker 1: Only indigenous people whose homelands have been significantly permanently damaged
Speaker 1: by the.
Speaker 2: Construction of border barriers.
Speaker 1: Right further east, in the homelands of the torn people,
Speaker 1: where I spent a lot of time, wall construction has
Speaker 1: destroyed sacred Sguardo's Sguardo's. That's the big cactus, Like when
Speaker 1: you think of a cactus, right, like the cactus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With the two arms.
Speaker 1: You could put a little hat on the actus if
Speaker 1: you wanted to, maybe give it like a little six
Speaker 1: shooter and it would look like it was a cowboy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the it's literally the cactus. It's in all the
Speaker 1: Western films that were filmed out at Old Tucson there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we used to ride our bikes from the passcalt Yaki
Speaker 1: Reds to the place where they filmed all those Western films.
Speaker 1: That that was our loop. A very very weird experience
Speaker 1: that place. It's like a one day I will write
Speaker 1: my fucking five part documentary about the myth of the
Speaker 1: Old West.
Speaker 2: But you can find it. You can find it there
Speaker 2: in Tucson.
Speaker 1: The so what was people that aren't aware or afforded
Speaker 1: the highest respect as ancestors by out on people, and
Speaker 1: they play an important role in ceremonial and culinary traditions
Speaker 1: that have been kept alive despite centuries of genocide and
Speaker 1: similationist policies from state and local government. Under the Biden administration,
Speaker 1: the Government Accountability Office wrote a report about damage done
Speaker 1: by border wall construction. Again for now, this is on
Speaker 1: the internet, and I will link it in the show notes.
Speaker 1: I don't know how long that will remain on the internet.
Speaker 1: It's a pdf, so like it's going to be out
Speaker 1: and about that it can't be taken down, but maybe
Speaker 1: it won't be on government websites. They highlighted the case
Speaker 1: of Monument Hill, which was damaged by explosives in the
Speaker 1: previous tramp administration, despite being a sacred place for Odham
Speaker 1: and the site of ceremonies conducted by the here said Odham,
Speaker 1: who are their ancestors. Kito Bakito Springs, which is a
Speaker 1: sacred site and oasis in the Sonoran Desert and it's
Speaker 1: a really special place, was irreparably damaged in the last
Speaker 1: Trump administration, including the destruction of a burial site that
Speaker 1: the Tripe had sought to protect. In some cases, the
Speaker 1: Biden administration made this worse. One of those was that
Speaker 1: on entering office, Biden said they were going to build
Speaker 1: not one more foot of border wall.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one. Right, he was full of shit.
Speaker 1: They built lots more border wall, but they did put
Speaker 1: a pause on some of the contracts, right. It sort
Speaker 1: of they finished some of them, and they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: we can't go back on this federal funding, which has
Speaker 1: not been an issue for Donald Trump. Four years later
Speaker 1: they were in Congress approved it, so we have to
Speaker 1: pay it, which was great. But the bits that they
Speaker 1: were able to cut included a program that had people
Speaker 1: taking care of so that they attempted to transplant the saguaros.
Speaker 1: They didn't just cut down because they were sacred, right
Speaker 1: and they're very old. They wanted to take them somewhere else,
Speaker 1: and this was part of sort of the agreement that
Speaker 1: they came to. Unfortunately, the Biden administration cut the funding
Speaker 1: for the people who were taking care of them in
Speaker 1: their new location, so nearly all of them died. They
Speaker 1: were being watered and stuff to get them settled into
Speaker 1: their new route structure. And because the bid administration cutback funding, it'
Speaker 1: stopped them from being watered, and so many of them
Speaker 1: died in areas where barriers were built, but drainage colverts
Speaker 1: were not finished. The coverts were never install So that
Speaker 1: was the flooding I was talking about earlier. Right, Sometimes
Speaker 1: they just went ahead and built war that when they
Speaker 1: build the wall, it comes in about fifty foot sections,
Speaker 1: and they truck those out there and like just put
Speaker 1: them on the ground flat and pull them up right,
Speaker 1: and they dig a foundation. They mix the sand, make
Speaker 1: concrete and put the wall sections up. But then they
Speaker 1: I guess it's my understanding that in the end of
Speaker 1: the last Trump administration, Trump made a claim in a
Speaker 1: debate about the number of miles of wall that had
Speaker 1: been built, and that claim was largely inaccurate, but they
Speaker 1: sort of started trying to expost factor justify it by
Speaker 1: claiming repairs were miles of war right, And in the
Speaker 1: final months of the Trump administration, maybe like from late
Speaker 1: summer to January it was certainly to November, they would
Speaker 1: really speed running wall construction, and part of that was
Speaker 1: putting sections up where there should have been culverts and
Speaker 1: just putting regular wall sections there and then attempting to
Speaker 1: come back later and do the culverts, which because of
Speaker 1: the funding pause, that didn't do.
Speaker 2: So then we've seen a shoe.
Speaker 1: Woud change in how the desert drains, right, because it
Speaker 1: backs up at the or the detritus or the dead
Speaker 1: branches and stuff get caught in the wall, and then
Speaker 1: the water gets sort of pushed along the wall until
Speaker 1: it finds a weak point to undermine it, I'll.
Speaker 2: Push it over.
Speaker 1: Very little of this gets reported at all, Right, Occasionally
Speaker 1: there are media moments when everyone wants to report on
Speaker 1: the borders damage to indigenous communities, and we had one
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty when they started destroying seguadas at the
Speaker 1: Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument. But these appear to be
Speaker 1: when they just pop up like this, it seems like
Speaker 1: it's without context or precedent, right, And when outlets ignore
Speaker 1: Indigenous people for ninety percent of their border reporting, it
Speaker 1: doesn't give the context it's necessary to explain these incidents,
Speaker 1: which are outrageous in decades of policy which has been outrageous.
Speaker 1: If our listeners are not aware that the border is
Speaker 1: on Native land, all of it, just like all of America, right,
Speaker 1: it can seem confusing for them, right when they see
Speaker 1: something like Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument and they think, well,
Speaker 1: that's not on a reservation, because a lot of outlets
Speaker 1: don't give that context. Right that Obviously, reservations not contain
Speaker 1: all spaces that are sacred to Indigenous people, and like
Speaker 1: a reservation is a legal on not a cultural construct,
Speaker 1: it can seem alien to them. And lots of these
Speaker 1: spaces that are being military that will be militarized under
Speaker 1: it's Roosevelt Reservation declaration that the reservations are not militarized
Speaker 1: under that, but spaces that are sacred to people still
Speaker 1: will be. But because are reporting so oft to lacks
Speaker 1: that context, people don't understand it. The admission of tribal
Speaker 1: lands was again like missing in lots of pieces on
Speaker 1: the Roosevelt Reservation right at Washington Post artic on the
Speaker 1: ruds of reservation, the one that broke the story.
Speaker 2: It doesn't contain the word tribal.
Speaker 1: Lands at all, right, It doesn't mention the fact that
Speaker 1: these areas are not part of the militarization proclamation. The
Speaker 1: problem here isn't just the ongoing a ragia indigenous people.
Speaker 2: It's a failure in basic journalistic practice.
Speaker 1: In my mind, right, we can't properly understand borders unless
Speaker 1: we acknowledge the people they impact. There's no way I
Speaker 1: could have experienced a dairy and gap in the way
Speaker 1: that I did if it wasn't for the Mbire people
Speaker 1: who literally let me live in their homes. Right Without
Speaker 1: the same generosity that they showed to me, the people
Speaker 1: crossing were die in much greater numbers. And it's precisely
Speaker 1: because migrants arrive in indigenous villages and not in like
Speaker 1: a government Panama, that a system exists where they're ferried
Speaker 1: up river on those pitagwars that I reporse it on, right,
Speaker 1: And it's precisely because they enter government custody at Las
Speaker 1: blancas a place at the ap called of Riverport by
Speaker 1: the way, which I mean, it's one of the more
Speaker 1: miserable places that one can end up. It's terrible, and
Speaker 1: calling it a river board fundamentally under cells how appalling,
Speaker 1: and it's what happens to people. People are stalled there
Speaker 1: for months, right, and that is because they are entering
Speaker 1: the system of bureaucracy, the system of the state, the
Speaker 1: system of fees and identification papers and all these things.
Speaker 1: More importantly, I think we can't understand the relatively new
Speaker 1: and invasive nature of borders, especially borders with physical barriers,
Speaker 1: without acknowledging the much much longer history of indigenous people
Speaker 1: moving freely through these areas. Like I said, it's not
Speaker 1: just people, it's water and wildlife. And in all cases
Speaker 1: the damage down will be unforeseen and likely irreparable. But
Speaker 1: if we only treat the border of the rhetorical thing
Speaker 1: like something to discuss in Congress, not a physical place,
Speaker 1: then we miss what's really happening, and we miss the
Speaker 1: people it really impacts. I don't want to pick solely
Speaker 1: on that ape, it's a tendency in the whole US
Speaker 1: right where the overwhelming media narrative eraises the existence of
Speaker 1: indigenous people unless it's some kind of novelty or trope
Speaker 1: through which they can be deployed. The direct example was
Speaker 1: a particularly stark one to me to spend these amount
Speaker 1: of time there, and I obviously have a great deal
Speaker 1: of affection for the people who looked after me. But
Speaker 1: as more and more laws are waived, both in terms
Speaker 1: of border wall construction and human rights, more damage will
Speaker 1: be done. It's already the case that people who speak
Speaker 1: indigenous languages tend to have much worse outcomes in the
Speaker 1: US immigration system, right. I've seen this first hand, Like
Speaker 1: it could be very difficult when someone arrives and they speak,
Speaker 1: you know, an indigenous language from Mexico, from Peru, from
Speaker 1: these places where like the people speak these digitus languages
Speaker 1: their first language, and it's hard for them to very
Speaker 1: hard for them to get legal representation, right.
Speaker 3: Even US citizens. Like that incident from just a few
Speaker 3: weeks ago, that nineteen year old was born in the
Speaker 3: state of Georgia but primarily spoken Indigenous language was like
Speaker 3: put into ice attention overnight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like which I think kind of these two narratives
Speaker 1: sort of play into each other, right, Like because indigenous
Speaker 1: people don't exist so much in so much coverage, it
Speaker 1: can be much easier for the state to make them disappear,
Speaker 1: right like like that guy.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and literally being arrested in charge with like
Speaker 3: like entry as an unauthorized alien.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like absolutely, and it's happened to indigenous people who
Speaker 1: are like indigenous to the United States, right like yeah,
Speaker 1: and it will continue to I think I've heard some
Speaker 1: stuff about happening on a Navajorez relatively recently. Obviously, I
Speaker 1: should say if that has happened to you, as someone
Speaker 1: you know, you can reach out to us at cool Zone,
Speaker 1: tips at proton dot me and like, I know that
Speaker 1: there are lots of big border reporters, that big outlets
Speaker 1: who fucking hate me, and I really don't care. I
Speaker 1: just want to Like, any one person coming into this
Speaker 1: country who needs a bottle of water is more important
Speaker 1: to me than all of their collective opinions, right, Like
Speaker 1: my job, it's not to make them happy. A job
Speaker 1: is to tell the stories of the people who come
Speaker 1: into this country and often suffer greatly to do so.
Speaker 1: I care more about them than like my ability to
Speaker 1: be objective, which you know, I don't think we should
Speaker 1: be objective in these situations, and like, I want to
Speaker 1: kind of end on this idea of objectivity, because objectivity
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm glad that the Washington Post is
Speaker 1: writing a story about Venezuelan teacher who got deported today.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that they're giving these people human faces now.
Speaker 1: But it's fucking hard to look at the reporters who
Speaker 1: wouldn't drive half an hour down a dirt road to
Speaker 1: come and see people in concentration camps when Biden was president,
Speaker 1: because I don't know, they were worried about getting their
Speaker 1: rental car dirty, or they don't speak Spanish, or the
Speaker 1: desert's cold at night. Like I don't know why people
Speaker 1: didn't come. I suspect it's because their commitment to writing
Speaker 1: about migrants is more a commitment to doing it when
Speaker 1: it makes money than it is to doing it because
Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do. Like when we write
Speaker 1: these stories now about deportations being terrible, they seem to
Speaker 1: pop up without context, right, and the context of how
Speaker 1: these people came into this country and the amount that
Speaker 1: they were forced to suffer by choice by the Biden administration.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, it's completely absent from these stories. Right,
Speaker 1: Like the reason folks, some folks that are choosing to leave,
Speaker 1: is because what they've seen of the US government a
Speaker 1: week in an outdoor detention camp where the government didn't
Speaker 1: even bring them food or water, right, and then their
Speaker 1: passage through this system which doesn't give them a pathway
Speaker 1: to permanent residency, which doesn't give them a pathway to citizenship,
Speaker 1: and then they see these deportations. Like from the migrant perspective,
Speaker 1: this is just a sort of steady escalation. Don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, I'm not saying that what's happening now is
Speaker 1: the same as what happened before. It's worse, it's considerably worse,
Speaker 1: and it's abhorrent. But like that doesn't mean that we
Speaker 1: shouldn't tell the truth about what happened before either, And
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that we should ignore the physical border
Speaker 1: as well as the sort of rhetorical and internal and
Speaker 1: technical border, right, all these things that we're seeing now.
Speaker 1: And like, the way that borders have worked in this
Speaker 1: country is that it's like a ratchet that only moves
Speaker 1: to the right, and the Republicans move it to the right,
Speaker 1: and the Democrats never move it back, and until we
Speaker 1: hold them accountable for this, it will continue to get worse.
Speaker 1: Like the Democrats completely ceded the narrative on migration under
Speaker 1: the Biden administration, and that's part of why they lost right.
Speaker 1: Rather than like making an argument that these people have
Speaker 1: a right to come here, that many of them are
Speaker 1: a massive benefit to our society, and it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: whether they are or not, they still deserve to be
Speaker 1: treated with dignity and respect, and even if you're a
Speaker 1: big law in order person, like according to international and
Speaker 1: United States law.
Speaker 2: They didn't do that.
Speaker 1: They didn't treat them according to international life to States law,
Speaker 1: nor did they make an argument that it's morally right
Speaker 1: to do so, and that's one.
Speaker 2: Of the reasons they lost right.
Speaker 1: This is why I really think that we need to
Speaker 1: be conscious in our media consumption and be conscious as
Speaker 1: journalists of like why we do this, because I'm finding
Speaker 1: it really hard to see this outpouring of care from
Speaker 1: people who I know didn't care when they were shivering
Speaker 1: little babies in the desert, from people who could have
Speaker 1: said something, could have done something right, like this could
Speaker 1: have stopped earlier if there were big major legacy media
Speaker 1: op ed, if the pictures of shivering babies were like
Speaker 1: on the nine o'clock news, right coming into people's houses
Speaker 1: every night. This wouldn't have lasted for as long as
Speaker 1: it did. People wouldn't have suffered. That people wouldn't have died.
Speaker 1: But because I guess Joe Biden was in ourfice, it
Speaker 1: didn't matter. And I'm glad that people care now, don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, but like I want, especially listeners to
Speaker 1: think about holding those people accountable to caring when it's
Speaker 1: not profitable, caring when it's not convenient, and our listeners
Speaker 1: have to be fair.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: We raised almost fifty thousand dollars for migrants in the
Speaker 1: desert and that was fantastic.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I still think.
Speaker 1: We do immigration reporting wrong. I still think from most
Speaker 1: outlet that's because they treat migrants as a rhetorical device,
Speaker 1: not as people in the same way that they are.
Speaker 1: And that upsets me and I wanted to write about it,
Speaker 1: so I have. I guess that's all I've got. It's
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Speaker 1: to get in touch, right, like I said, especially with
Speaker 1: regard to immigration activities on reservations or indigenous people, you
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