1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: A media Good morning podcast fans, and welcome to it 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: could happen here. It's me James today and I'm joined 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: by my friend and colleague, Garrison Davis Haige. 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: Hello. Hey, So what I don't want to talk about 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 2: today is a little piece I wrote. 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: I read it on my patreoon that I want to 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: kind of discuss it, but here read it to you 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: and talk about it about what. 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: We talk about when we talk about immigration. 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: So if you recently sent me associated pressed piece on 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: the Dadian gap, and the piece was reflecting on the 12 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: loss of economic opportunity for the Mbra people who had 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: previously sold, as you heard in my series right products 14 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: services accommodation to migrants coming through a Garian gap. But 15 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: if you read that whole piece, you'd never know they 16 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: were Mburra because the word Mbra doesn't occur once in 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: the piece, right, You'd never know that the Mbra people existed. 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: They never appear in the story. Instead, He which is 19 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: currently going toe to toe with the Trump administration on 20 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: whether it should call the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: of America or not, and was ejected from the White 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: House press pool at one point for refusing to call 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: it the Gulf of America used to phrase Comarca Indigenous 24 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: Lands in its reporting, which I don't know where this 25 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: came from. It has kind of a strange capitalization. If 26 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: you were just reading the piece, you might think that 27 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: that was the name of the comarca, like that it 28 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: was a proper noun, but it's not. The commarker is 29 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: like I guess you could you could roughlyquate that to 30 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: an American state. It's like an administrative division of Panama. 31 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: The name of the comarca is Embera un Nan, but 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't appear anywhere in the appiece, and you could 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: to be clear, Like, I understand that some reporters don't 34 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: speak Spanish. I understand that some reporters, like you know 35 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: that they are not like particularly expertly given region. Neither 36 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: am I that was my first time in Panama. But like, 37 00:01:58,080 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: this is something you could find out on Google Maps. 38 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: Right. It's not unique to the AP. 39 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: It happens all the time, right, and I want to 40 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: talk about that today because it happens at the US 41 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: is Sudden Border too. One of the reasons that I 42 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: wanted to go to the Dadian was because I felt 43 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: like the Embiras story was not being told when people 44 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: talked about the Dadian Gap. When they're mentioned at all, 45 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: it's kind of in passing or not as people who 46 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: have agency, right, And even I think these stories about 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: like the lack of income that they have off to 48 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: migrants leaving kind of strip them in of agency in 49 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: the way that they're told. When people talk about the 50 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: Darien Gap in media, they kind of use this heart 51 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: of Darkness construction. Obviously it's Joseph Comrade novel, but like 52 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: this idea that like it's where the wild things are, 53 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, like it strikes me as very almost orientalist. 54 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, orientalist is what I was going to say. 55 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like it completely discounts that there are 56 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: thousands of people who live there, who've raised their families there, 57 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: Their children play fucking basketball there, right, they spend their 58 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: whole life there, and they bury their elders there and 59 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: they have done for thousands of years. 60 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: For them, it's their home, right. 61 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: And I understand that the jungle could be scary, and 62 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: I think anyone who's listened to my series will will 63 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: understand that, Like the Jungle was scary for me sometimes, 64 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: and it can be a very harsh environment. But if 65 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: you're someone who belongs there, if you're comfortable there, it 66 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: can also be home, and it could be beautiful and 67 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: it could be bountiful. And I think the same thing 68 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: is true of the mountains and deserts and rivers that 69 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: make up the USA southern border. The desert can kill people, 70 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm well aware of that, But for the people who 71 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: call it home, the desert is somewhere that contains their 72 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: memories and their sacred spaces, their childhood recollections, and the 73 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: remains of their ancestors. 74 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: Right. 75 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: And the emission of indigenous perspective is something that we 76 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: saw again when Christian Home decided to wave a number 77 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: of laws in order to facilitate after construction of. 78 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: The border wall. 79 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: So I want tod again the AP coverage there the AP, 80 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: and again they're far from unique in this, right, Lots 81 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: of other outlets did this too. They seem to have 82 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: only engaged with the DHS press release as opposed to 83 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: the actual proclamation by knowing which you can find in 84 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: the federal register. Right, So the press release only focused 85 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: on the environmental laws she was waving. DHS said, and 86 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: I quote to cut through bureaucratic delays. DHS is waving 87 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: environmental laws, including the National Environmental Policy Act, that could 88 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: store vital products for months or even years. This waver 89 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: clears the path for the rapid deployment of physical barriers 90 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: where they're needed most, reinforcing our commitment to national security 91 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: and the rule of law. The rule of law think 92 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: kind of made me laugh as they were like, here 93 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: we are waving like a dozen or so laws. But 94 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: I'm not a big rule of law person, so I guess, 95 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: like that's fine. It seems that almost every outlet though, 96 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: like that's what they read and that's what they ran with, 97 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: like that they're waving these environmental laws, and I think 98 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: that can sometimes be this like we still see this 99 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: all the time in the legacy press, Like when they 100 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: talk about environmental laws, there's this idea that it's like 101 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: some kind of like people who want to protect the 102 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: flowers and the plants and like that it's not that serious, 103 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, and that like these environmental laws is something 104 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: that's not that are nice but not necessary. Yeah, and 105 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: like some of these environmental laws, like specifically the ones 106 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: that regulate water, will determine the future of places like California, 107 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: like and obviously places south of the border, right, the 108 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: water doesn't know where the border is, and like in 109 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: the previous Trump administration, they wave some environmental laws, including 110 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: ones about flood water, which that combined with the expedited 111 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: way which they built the border wall, I guess, led 112 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: to them not putting floodgates in part of the wall, 113 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: which then led to the wall damming up with like 114 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: dead trees and dead cacti right when it rained heavily, 115 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: and then the wall becoming a barrier to water, and 116 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: then the wall getting broken or washed away, right because 117 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: it didn't have like sluice gates so they could. 118 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: Open to let the water out. 119 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: The ap went to someone called Earth Justice for comment, 120 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: and to their credit, that person said, quote, waving environmental, 121 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: cultural preservation and good governance laws that protect clean air, 122 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: clean water, say god, precious cultural resources and preserve vibrant 123 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: ecosystems of biodiversity, will only cause further harm to our 124 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: border communities and ecosystems. That person is the only person 125 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: who mentioned the cultural damage is being done here unless 126 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: a reader themselves that the Federal Register isn't linked in 127 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: any of these pieces, right, it really is I try 128 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: and link to it when we talk about something in 129 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: executive disorder. But unless you've found that yourself, you wouldn't 130 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: know that. Along with waving these environmental laws, and like 131 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: I've said, those are important, they also wave something called 132 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: the Native American Grave Protection and Repatriation Act, according to 133 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: the Department of the Interior. I was kind of surprised 134 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: this was still up on their website. Actually, I thought 135 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: this might have been purred, so like a lot of 136 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: maybe it just. 137 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 3: Maybe it's just like screwed by. 138 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like well, I mean no, apparently no one 139 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: fucking talks about it, so yeah, maybe they got away 140 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: with it, you know, Like it's always funny going on 141 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: government websites now and being like, oh it's gone, like 142 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: finding dead links to so much, even in stories I've 143 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: written in like twenty twenty, those links are dead now. 144 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: Nagpur requires any federally funded entity to return human remains, sunery, possessions, 145 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: objects of cultural patrimony, and sacred objects to the deceased 146 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: persons and their descendants by and I'm quoting from a 147 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: website now consulting with lineal descendants, Indian tribes and Native 148 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: Hawaiian organizations, or Native American human remains and other cultural items, 149 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: protecting and planning for Native American human remains and other 150 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: cultural items that may be removed from federal or tribal lands, 151 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: Identifying and reporting all Native American human remains and other 152 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: cultural items in inventories and summaries of holdings or collections, 153 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: and giving prior notice to repatriating or transferring human remains 154 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: and other cultural items. So the waiver allows them not 155 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: to do these things. Right, crucially, in the context of 156 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: border wall construction, what allows them to do is not 157 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: to conduct an archaeological survey before they dig the border wall. 158 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: And again, like, I don't know why this isn't something 159 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: the legacy media isn't concerned about. It wasn't in twenty 160 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: twenty either. Right when they started doing this, they were 161 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: blasting areas where something called midden soil was found. Mid 162 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: and soil is soil that contains evidence of cremated human remains. Right, 163 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: I wrote a piece in twenty twenty for Sierra about this. Normally, 164 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: before these digs, there would be an archaeological survey done 165 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: by a tribal representative would be there to take part 166 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: in that. Right, that would take time and it would 167 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: delay construction. Instead, right now, the construction will continue without 168 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: considering it down. It's done to the cultural patrimony and 169 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: ancestral remains of the Kumii people here in San Diego, 170 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: whose homelands spanned both sides of the border, and who 171 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: were here long before the US or Mexico was talking of. 172 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: I can't think of a good fucking ad pivot. 173 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, there really is no good activot for. 174 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,599 Speaker 2: Stuff like this. No, there's not. We're just going to 175 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: do adverts now and we are back. The Cumi not the. 176 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: Only indigenous people whose homelands have been significantly permanently damaged 177 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: by the. 178 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: Construction of border barriers. 179 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: Right further east, in the homelands of the torn people, 180 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: where I spent a lot of time, wall construction has 181 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: destroyed sacred Sguardo's Sguardo's. That's the big cactus, Like when 182 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: you think of a cactus, right, like the cactus. 183 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With the two arms. 184 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: You could put a little hat on the actus if 185 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: you wanted to, maybe give it like a little six 186 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: shooter and it would look like it was a cowboy. Yeah, 187 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: it's the it's literally the cactus. It's in all the 188 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: Western films that were filmed out at Old Tucson there. Yeah, 189 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: we used to ride our bikes from the passcalt Yaki 190 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: Reds to the place where they filmed all those Western films. 191 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: That that was our loop. A very very weird experience 192 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: that place. It's like a one day I will write 193 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: my fucking five part documentary about the myth of the 194 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: Old West. 195 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: But you can find it. You can find it there 196 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: in Tucson. 197 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: The so what was people that aren't aware or afforded 198 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: the highest respect as ancestors by out on people, and 199 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: they play an important role in ceremonial and culinary traditions 200 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: that have been kept alive despite centuries of genocide and 201 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: similationist policies from state and local government. Under the Biden administration, 202 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: the Government Accountability Office wrote a report about damage done 203 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: by border wall construction. Again for now, this is on 204 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: the internet, and I will link it in the show notes. 205 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how long that will remain on the internet. 206 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: It's a pdf, so like it's going to be out 207 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: and about that it can't be taken down, but maybe 208 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: it won't be on government websites. They highlighted the case 209 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: of Monument Hill, which was damaged by explosives in the 210 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: previous tramp administration, despite being a sacred place for Odham 211 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: and the site of ceremonies conducted by the here said Odham, 212 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: who are their ancestors. Kito Bakito Springs, which is a 213 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: sacred site and oasis in the Sonoran Desert and it's 214 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: a really special place, was irreparably damaged in the last 215 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: Trump administration, including the destruction of a burial site that 216 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: the Tripe had sought to protect. In some cases, the 217 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: Biden administration made this worse. One of those was that 218 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: on entering office, Biden said they were going to build 219 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: not one more foot of border wall. 220 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one. Right, he was full of shit. 221 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: They built lots more border wall, but they did put 222 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: a pause on some of the contracts, right. It sort 223 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: of they finished some of them, and they were like, oh, 224 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: we can't go back on this federal funding, which has 225 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: not been an issue for Donald Trump. Four years later 226 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: they were in Congress approved it, so we have to 227 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: pay it, which was great. But the bits that they 228 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: were able to cut included a program that had people 229 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: taking care of so that they attempted to transplant the saguaros. 230 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: They didn't just cut down because they were sacred, right 231 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: and they're very old. They wanted to take them somewhere else, 232 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: and this was part of sort of the agreement that 233 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: they came to. Unfortunately, the Biden administration cut the funding 234 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: for the people who were taking care of them in 235 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: their new location, so nearly all of them died. They 236 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: were being watered and stuff to get them settled into 237 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: their new route structure. And because the bid administration cutback funding, it' 238 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: stopped them from being watered, and so many of them 239 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: died in areas where barriers were built, but drainage colverts 240 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: were not finished. The coverts were never install So that 241 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: was the flooding I was talking about earlier. Right, Sometimes 242 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: they just went ahead and built war that when they 243 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: build the wall, it comes in about fifty foot sections, 244 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: and they truck those out there and like just put 245 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: them on the ground flat and pull them up right, 246 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: and they dig a foundation. They mix the sand, make 247 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: concrete and put the wall sections up. But then they 248 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: I guess it's my understanding that in the end of 249 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: the last Trump administration, Trump made a claim in a 250 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: debate about the number of miles of wall that had 251 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: been built, and that claim was largely inaccurate, but they 252 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: sort of started trying to expost factor justify it by 253 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: claiming repairs were miles of war right, And in the 254 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: final months of the Trump administration, maybe like from late 255 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: summer to January it was certainly to November, they would 256 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: really speed running wall construction, and part of that was 257 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: putting sections up where there should have been culverts and 258 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: just putting regular wall sections there and then attempting to 259 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: come back later and do the culverts, which because of 260 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: the funding pause, that didn't do. 261 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: So then we've seen a shoe. 262 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: Woud change in how the desert drains, right, because it 263 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: backs up at the or the detritus or the dead 264 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: branches and stuff get caught in the wall, and then 265 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: the water gets sort of pushed along the wall until 266 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: it finds a weak point to undermine it, I'll. 267 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: Push it over. 268 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: Very little of this gets reported at all, Right, Occasionally 269 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: there are media moments when everyone wants to report on 270 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: the borders damage to indigenous communities, and we had one 271 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty when they started destroying seguadas at the 272 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument. But these appear to be 273 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: when they just pop up like this, it seems like 274 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: it's without context or precedent, right, And when outlets ignore 275 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: Indigenous people for ninety percent of their border reporting, it 276 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: doesn't give the context it's necessary to explain these incidents, 277 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: which are outrageous in decades of policy which has been outrageous. 278 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: If our listeners are not aware that the border is 279 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: on Native land, all of it, just like all of America, right, 280 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: it can seem confusing for them, right when they see 281 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: something like Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument and they think, well, 282 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: that's not on a reservation, because a lot of outlets 283 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: don't give that context. Right that Obviously, reservations not contain 284 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: all spaces that are sacred to Indigenous people, and like 285 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: a reservation is a legal on not a cultural construct, 286 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: it can seem alien to them. And lots of these 287 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: spaces that are being military that will be militarized under 288 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: it's Roosevelt Reservation declaration that the reservations are not militarized 289 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: under that, but spaces that are sacred to people still 290 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: will be. But because are reporting so oft to lacks 291 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: that context, people don't understand it. The admission of tribal 292 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: lands was again like missing in lots of pieces on 293 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: the Roosevelt Reservation right at Washington Post artic on the 294 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: ruds of reservation, the one that broke the story. 295 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: It doesn't contain the word tribal. 296 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: Lands at all, right, It doesn't mention the fact that 297 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: these areas are not part of the militarization proclamation. The 298 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: problem here isn't just the ongoing a ragia indigenous people. 299 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: It's a failure in basic journalistic practice. 300 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: In my mind, right, we can't properly understand borders unless 301 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: we acknowledge the people they impact. There's no way I 302 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: could have experienced a dairy and gap in the way 303 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: that I did if it wasn't for the Mbire people 304 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: who literally let me live in their homes. Right Without 305 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: the same generosity that they showed to me, the people 306 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: crossing were die in much greater numbers. And it's precisely 307 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: because migrants arrive in indigenous villages and not in like 308 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: a government Panama, that a system exists where they're ferried 309 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: up river on those pitagwars that I reporse it on, right, 310 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: And it's precisely because they enter government custody at Las 311 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: blancas a place at the ap called of Riverport by 312 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: the way, which I mean, it's one of the more 313 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: miserable places that one can end up. It's terrible, and 314 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: calling it a river board fundamentally under cells how appalling, 315 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: and it's what happens to people. People are stalled there 316 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: for months, right, and that is because they are entering 317 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: the system of bureaucracy, the system of the state, the 318 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: system of fees and identification papers and all these things. 319 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: More importantly, I think we can't understand the relatively new 320 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: and invasive nature of borders, especially borders with physical barriers, 321 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: without acknowledging the much much longer history of indigenous people 322 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: moving freely through these areas. Like I said, it's not 323 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: just people, it's water and wildlife. And in all cases 324 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: the damage down will be unforeseen and likely irreparable. But 325 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: if we only treat the border of the rhetorical thing 326 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: like something to discuss in Congress, not a physical place, 327 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: then we miss what's really happening, and we miss the 328 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: people it really impacts. I don't want to pick solely 329 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: on that ape, it's a tendency in the whole US 330 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: right where the overwhelming media narrative eraises the existence of 331 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: indigenous people unless it's some kind of novelty or trope 332 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: through which they can be deployed. The direct example was 333 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: a particularly stark one to me to spend these amount 334 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: of time there, and I obviously have a great deal 335 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: of affection for the people who looked after me. But 336 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: as more and more laws are waived, both in terms 337 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,239 Speaker 1: of border wall construction and human rights, more damage will 338 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: be done. It's already the case that people who speak 339 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: indigenous languages tend to have much worse outcomes in the 340 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: US immigration system, right. I've seen this first hand, Like 341 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: it could be very difficult when someone arrives and they speak, 342 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, an indigenous language from Mexico, from Peru, from 343 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: these places where like the people speak these digitus languages 344 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: their first language, and it's hard for them to very 345 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: hard for them to get legal representation, right. 346 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 3: Even US citizens. Like that incident from just a few 347 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 3: weeks ago, that nineteen year old was born in the 348 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 3: state of Georgia but primarily spoken Indigenous language was like 349 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 3: put into ice attention overnight. 350 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, like which I think kind of these two narratives 351 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: sort of play into each other, right, Like because indigenous 352 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: people don't exist so much in so much coverage, it 353 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: can be much easier for the state to make them disappear, 354 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: right like like that guy. 355 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 3: Well yeah, and literally being arrested in charge with like 356 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 3: like entry as an unauthorized alien. 357 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, like absolutely, and it's happened to indigenous people who 358 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: are like indigenous to the United States, right like yeah, 359 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: and it will continue to I think I've heard some 360 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: stuff about happening on a Navajorez relatively recently. Obviously, I 361 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: should say if that has happened to you, as someone 362 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: you know, you can reach out to us at cool Zone, 363 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: tips at proton dot me and like, I know that 364 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: there are lots of big border reporters, that big outlets 365 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: who fucking hate me, and I really don't care. I 366 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: just want to Like, any one person coming into this 367 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: country who needs a bottle of water is more important 368 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: to me than all of their collective opinions, right, Like 369 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: my job, it's not to make them happy. A job 370 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: is to tell the stories of the people who come 371 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: into this country and often suffer greatly to do so. 372 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: I care more about them than like my ability to 373 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: be objective, which you know, I don't think we should 374 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: be objective in these situations, and like, I want to 375 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: kind of end on this idea of objectivity, because objectivity 376 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm glad that the Washington Post is 377 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: writing a story about Venezuelan teacher who got deported today. 378 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: I'm glad that they're giving these people human faces now. 379 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: But it's fucking hard to look at the reporters who 380 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: wouldn't drive half an hour down a dirt road to 381 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: come and see people in concentration camps when Biden was president, 382 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: because I don't know, they were worried about getting their 383 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: rental car dirty, or they don't speak Spanish, or the 384 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: desert's cold at night. Like I don't know why people 385 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 1: didn't come. I suspect it's because their commitment to writing 386 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: about migrants is more a commitment to doing it when 387 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: it makes money than it is to doing it because 388 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do. Like when we write 389 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: these stories now about deportations being terrible, they seem to 390 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: pop up without context, right, and the context of how 391 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: these people came into this country and the amount that 392 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: they were forced to suffer by choice by the Biden administration. 393 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, it's completely absent from these stories. Right, 394 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: Like the reason folks, some folks that are choosing to leave, 395 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: is because what they've seen of the US government a 396 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: week in an outdoor detention camp where the government didn't 397 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: even bring them food or water, right, and then their 398 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: passage through this system which doesn't give them a pathway 399 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: to permanent residency, which doesn't give them a pathway to citizenship, 400 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: and then they see these deportations. Like from the migrant perspective, 401 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: this is just a sort of steady escalation. Don't get 402 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: me wrong, I'm not saying that what's happening now is 403 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: the same as what happened before. It's worse, it's considerably worse, 404 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: and it's abhorrent. But like that doesn't mean that we 405 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: shouldn't tell the truth about what happened before either, And 406 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that we should ignore the physical border 407 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: as well as the sort of rhetorical and internal and 408 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: technical border, right, all these things that we're seeing now. 409 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: And like, the way that borders have worked in this 410 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: country is that it's like a ratchet that only moves 411 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: to the right, and the Republicans move it to the right, 412 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: and the Democrats never move it back, and until we 413 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: hold them accountable for this, it will continue to get worse. 414 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: Like the Democrats completely ceded the narrative on migration under 415 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: the Biden administration, and that's part of why they lost right. 416 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: Rather than like making an argument that these people have 417 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: a right to come here, that many of them are 418 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: a massive benefit to our society, and it doesn't matter 419 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: whether they are or not, they still deserve to be 420 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: treated with dignity and respect, and even if you're a 421 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: big law in order person, like according to international and 422 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: United States law. 423 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: They didn't do that. 424 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: They didn't treat them according to international life to States law, 425 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 1: nor did they make an argument that it's morally right 426 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: to do so, and that's one. 427 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 2: Of the reasons they lost right. 428 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: This is why I really think that we need to 429 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: be conscious in our media consumption and be conscious as 430 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: journalists of like why we do this, because I'm finding 431 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: it really hard to see this outpouring of care from 432 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: people who I know didn't care when they were shivering 433 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: little babies in the desert, from people who could have 434 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: said something, could have done something right, like this could 435 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: have stopped earlier if there were big major legacy media 436 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: op ed, if the pictures of shivering babies were like 437 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: on the nine o'clock news, right coming into people's houses 438 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 1: every night. This wouldn't have lasted for as long as 439 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: it did. People wouldn't have suffered. That people wouldn't have died. 440 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: But because I guess Joe Biden was in ourfice, it 441 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: didn't matter. And I'm glad that people care now, don't 442 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: get me wrong, but like I want, especially listeners to 443 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: think about holding those people accountable to caring when it's 444 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: not profitable, caring when it's not convenient, and our listeners 445 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: have to be fair. 446 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 2: Right. 447 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: We raised almost fifty thousand dollars for migrants in the 448 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: desert and that was fantastic. 449 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, I still think. 450 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: We do immigration reporting wrong. I still think from most 451 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: outlet that's because they treat migrants as a rhetorical device, 452 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: not as people in the same way that they are. 453 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: And that upsets me and I wanted to write about it, 454 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: so I have. I guess that's all I've got. It's 455 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: not the best ending. If you are somebody who wants 456 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: to get in touch, right, like I said, especially with 457 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: regard to immigration activities on reservations or indigenous people, you 458 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: can reach us at cool Zone tips at proton dot me. 459 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: If there's other stuff do you want to share with us, 460 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: you can do it there too. 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