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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey Darren, welcome back to the Book of Joe Podcast

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Speaker 1: with me, Tom Barducci and Joe Madden. Hey Joe, you

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Speaker 1: know it's that time of year right with the trade

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Speaker 1: deadline coming up on us.

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Speaker 2: I want you to put.

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Speaker 1: Yourself behind the desk in Brian Cashman's office. You're running

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Speaker 1: the New York Yankees and things are not going so well, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I always say this is an important time

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Speaker 1: of the year. I don't know if you felt this

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Speaker 1: as a manager, Joe, but as we get to the deadline,

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Speaker 1: whether you're in or you're out, what your needs are,

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Speaker 1: they can change almost on a daily basis. So you

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Speaker 1: tell me, if you're Brian Cashman, what do the Yankees

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Speaker 1: do well.

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Speaker 3: I've been watching them a lot lately. You know, they're

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Speaker 3: one of the more.

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Speaker 4: Interesting groups, regardless of what their record is, obviously, and

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Speaker 4: I'm a Cashman fan, so I'm looking at the whole thing,

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Speaker 4: and you know, I'm fine with their outfield and outfield play,

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Speaker 4: that's fine, you know, the corners on on the infield.

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Speaker 3: Actually, the whole infield right.

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Speaker 4: Now is kind of in a state of flux and

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Speaker 4: that's where it begins catching. They're trying to decide whether

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Speaker 4: you know Wells or.

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Speaker 3: As Scott a scar.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's some of that going on too, but I

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Speaker 4: primarily think number one. My concern there would be third base,

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Speaker 4: probably more than anything. I think first base. When they

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Speaker 4: start at first base with the left tend hitter.

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Speaker 1: Again, yeah you got right Ri right right side, you've

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Speaker 4: Right, I would definitely go. I think they're with the

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Speaker 4: straight up platoon. I know, you know, Goldschmith is done

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Speaker 4: okay to this point, but Rice has some serious pot man.

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Speaker 4: He is like so strong when he hits a ball

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Speaker 4: gets mangled, and I know he has some catching ability too,

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Speaker 4: But I wouldn't go there, but I would play more

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Speaker 4: as a straight up platoon. Goldsmith's numbers are decent, but

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Speaker 4: overall it's kind of like a lot of empty numbers too.

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Speaker 4: And I know he's wonderful and and I like him

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Speaker 4: a lot, don't get me wrong. But this other kid,

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Speaker 4: So I would go warba straight up platoon there overall.

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Speaker 4: And if there's a reverse splip guy, maybe pop Goldschmid.

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Speaker 4: Third base is my concern. You know, shortstop Foltpy really

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Speaker 4: just rushing a lot of the throw he made in

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Speaker 4: the replay I did, he actually got down on one

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Speaker 3: So that's when a guy starts.

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Speaker 4: Getting down on one knee, that's really you're getting overly careful.

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Speaker 4: You're not sure of yourself, You're losing that, you know,

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Speaker 4: playing through the ball, aggressive, this setting your feet, all

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Speaker 4: that stuff. With that one instant replay, I understood why

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Speaker 4: the third baseman is a utility guy at best, so

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Speaker 4: start off there's in house. I would go with the

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Speaker 4: back and forth at first base, but I definitely would

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Speaker 4: focus on third base and beyond that. You know, they're

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Speaker 4: bullpens kind of okay, but overall they're they're not getting

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Speaker 4: with the Williams is not exactly who he's supposed to be.

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Speaker 4: I know, his numbers seem somewhat okay, but I just

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Speaker 4: don't see this here we go attitude. It looks like

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Speaker 3: Are not good. We were coming back slowly.

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Speaker 4: I still think it's the better closer than to Lewaiseiga

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Speaker 3: Is his is just his way again?

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Speaker 4: He does not look comfortable, So I would really possibly

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Speaker 4: a little bit if that's available. It definitely focuses on

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Speaker 4: third base. Leave my outfield alone. And I would be

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Speaker 4: a little bit concerned with Freed with this blister situation

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of little nuance going on with the Yankees, a lot

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Speaker 4: of little subplots that need to be addressed. Platoon at

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Speaker 4: first for sure, new third basement, and there's other stuff

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you hit it, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I mean that is a that is a long list

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Speaker 1: You know, the last forty seven games, it's essentially a

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Speaker 1: a half. There's some issues here, and it's pitching, and

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Speaker 1: it's definitely defense as well. The Yankees are twentieth in

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Speaker 1: thirty three against winning teams. There's a lot to correct here.

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Speaker 1: I agree that third base is definitely an issue. That

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Speaker 2: I vault he's a concern. There's no doubt. I saw

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Speaker 2: the same thing as you, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I saw a guy drop to one KDE and a

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Speaker 2: That bought the first base.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's the body language screams a lack of confidence,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes he plays the game too fast. He's trying

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Speaker 1: know Aaron Boone is going to defend his players I mean, Joe,

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Speaker 1: he takes your advice to an extreme when it comes

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Speaker 1: to criticize privately and praise publicly. I mean, open up

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Speaker 1: your eyes. He is not a good defender this year

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Speaker 2: He's negative to this year.

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Speaker 1: He's one hundred and forty ninth in terms of defensive value.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy who's also got a

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Speaker 1: but he's not the player he should be.

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Speaker 4: Well, last year we were stolen his virtues. You know,

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Speaker 4: Recently the Mets sent down Alvarez and he came back

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Speaker 3: And this is the part where I don't think it's

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Speaker 4: I mean, when a guy got to this point where

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a plus defender, but you could

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Speaker 4: Right, but either is Volpe right now, So I mean

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Speaker 4: you're not you're not necessarily losing a lot. And I

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Speaker 4: don't know who would play second base. That's part of it,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they're hopefully trying to get that done.

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Speaker 4: And then the position I would screw around with a

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Speaker 4: and then move Chisholm back or who knows how it

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Speaker 4: And you know, overall, fundamentally, for the last couple of

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Speaker 3: Try to portray that.

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Speaker 4: Then again, you watch the Milwaukee Brewers play baseball, and

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Speaker 4: I can just see Murph sitting in the dugout because

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Speaker 3: So yeah, there's a lot to do there.

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Speaker 4: Philosophically, they just can't abandon what they believe. And that's

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Speaker 4: not my point, but overall, they need to catch the

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Speaker 4: and of course there's unruns to be dealt with, but

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Speaker 4: it's just that plays that aren't being made that should

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Speaker 4: then your pitching staff becomes less effective. It's just one

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Speaker 4: got has sort out and I'm knowing Cash, I anticipate

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Speaker 1: They're kind of in a bind with Anthony Volpi because

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Speaker 2: To me, he's a dead fastball hitter.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe Jeff Hoffman in a tie game threw

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Speaker 1: That was a huge win for the Yankees. They did

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Speaker 1: They throw the ball around, they kick it around, and

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Speaker 1: last year are still there. If I'm Brian Cashman, I

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Speaker 1: probably look at Arizona right now, I look at Suarez,

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Speaker 3: There in New York.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I like those ideas, And as long

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Speaker 1: But I look at this, there's eighteen teams in the

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Speaker 3: They're going to go talk to those guys, and.

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Speaker 4: You can't do that because that's when it really could

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Speaker 1: Hey Joe, it's been a while since we checked in

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Book of Joe. More amazement from

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Speaker 1: sho hey Otani. It's just incredible, Joe, the way this guy,

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Speaker 2: I mean, how do you pitch to this guy? Joe?

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Speaker 4: Of course he is because he knows that and he's

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Speaker 4: He just looks for it premeditated and you know, on deck,

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Speaker 4: for something. The thing that makes a hitter great is

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Speaker 4: that when he sees it, he doesn't miss it. You know,

435
00:19:43,518 --> 00:19:46,398
Speaker 4: you could have the best plan in the world, and

436
00:19:46,758 --> 00:19:50,318
Speaker 4: if you can't actually see the picture looking for put

437
00:19:50,358 --> 00:19:52,278
Speaker 4: your a hack on it and keep it fair. That's

438
00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:54,958
Speaker 4: really the sign of a great hitter. And that's why

439
00:19:54,998 --> 00:19:58,158
Speaker 4: he's so devastating, because if he's looking for something and

440
00:19:58,238 --> 00:20:01,118
Speaker 4: sees it, it's going to be fair and hit hard.

441
00:20:01,318 --> 00:20:04,478
Speaker 4: How do you pitch him? Well, I would just continually

442
00:20:04,518 --> 00:20:07,318
Speaker 4: test his patience. I would not when you say break

443
00:20:07,358 --> 00:20:10,238
Speaker 4: the ball, you know, under the zone at his back foot, Yes,

444
00:20:10,718 --> 00:20:14,398
Speaker 4: something to that effect. Stuff down in a way. Everything's

445
00:20:14,438 --> 00:20:16,838
Speaker 4: got to be off the edges. I would just test

446
00:20:16,838 --> 00:20:20,678
Speaker 4: his patience as much as possible. Never concede, Never think

447
00:20:20,718 --> 00:20:22,838
Speaker 4: he set up for anything. Never think you got him.

448
00:20:23,278 --> 00:20:26,438
Speaker 4: It's like you have Vladimir Guerrero. When we were working

449
00:20:26,438 --> 00:20:29,918
Speaker 4: against lad After I left the Angels, they said, listen,

450
00:20:30,278 --> 00:20:32,278
Speaker 4: don't ever think he set up for a pitch. Don't

451
00:20:32,278 --> 00:20:34,718
Speaker 4: ever think you got him. You think if I do this,

452
00:20:34,918 --> 00:20:36,598
Speaker 4: he's not looking for him, going to sneak it by him.

453
00:20:36,718 --> 00:20:39,278
Speaker 4: Don't ever think that. And don't never think that your

454
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Speaker 4: stuff is any different than anybody else's. And then it's

455
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Speaker 4: going to play up against this guy. Don't think that.

456
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Speaker 4: It's not true.

457
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Speaker 3: So you got to keep your ego out of this.

458
00:20:48,118 --> 00:20:50,678
Speaker 4: When you're facing show and you got to be willing

459
00:20:50,758 --> 00:20:54,158
Speaker 4: to concede a base can see that. You have to

460
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Speaker 4: test his patience. It's just ego has no place.

461
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Speaker 3: In pitching to him.

462
00:21:00,598 --> 00:21:02,518
Speaker 4: You can feel your best fastball, you can feel your

463
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Speaker 4: best anything.

464
00:21:03,238 --> 00:21:07,758
Speaker 3: Great, but he has this other worldly.

465
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Speaker 4: Baseball sensorability to figure things out that you don't have.

466
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Speaker 4: Just being honest, So that's how I would do it.

467
00:21:14,918 --> 00:21:17,758
Speaker 4: Don't ever think he's set up for anything, and test

468
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Speaker 4: his patience. And if you walk him, just wave them

469
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Speaker 4: the first space.

470
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Speaker 2: That's a great point.

471
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm with you that really the only safe

472
00:21:26,638 --> 00:21:29,638
Speaker 1: zone with show Hey is spinning off speed like lower

473
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Speaker 1: than low right and try to get him the chase,

474
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Speaker 1: or at least limit the power a little bit by

475
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Speaker 1: having it all the way down and the way. But

476
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Speaker 1: I agree with you because I've seen so many pitchers things.

477
00:21:39,158 --> 00:21:41,398
Speaker 1: They've got him set up with a high fastball because

478
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Speaker 1: they work the bottom soft he destroys those pitches. Actually,

479
00:21:45,318 --> 00:21:48,918
Speaker 1: slugging is now higher against breaking stuff than fastballs, which

480
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Speaker 1: is crazy.

481
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Speaker 2: But let's step back a little bit here.

482
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Speaker 1: Because next month show Hey will have one thousand games

483
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Speaker 1: in the major leagues, and he's going to get there

484
00:21:57,478 --> 00:22:00,438
Speaker 1: with more home runs than any hitter in his first

485
00:22:00,558 --> 00:22:05,198
Speaker 1: thousand games except Aaron Judge, Ryan Howard, Ralph Kiner. That's

486
00:22:05,278 --> 00:22:07,998
Speaker 1: amazing when you think about on the mound, he's also

487
00:22:08,158 --> 00:22:11,998
Speaker 1: made eighty starts and he's thirty four and sixteen with

488
00:22:12,038 --> 00:22:15,718
Speaker 1: a two eight er. I mean that's otherworldly. Like his

489
00:22:15,878 --> 00:22:19,278
Speaker 1: first one thousand games are going to compare very favorably

490
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Speaker 1: to Alex Rodriguez. And you know, just imagine if Alex

491
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Speaker 1: Rodriguez was also Roger Clemens on the mound. That's essentially

492
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Speaker 1: what we're looking at with Sho Hee Otani.

493
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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, it's it's never ending. I anticipate good health.

494
00:22:34,758 --> 00:22:37,958
Speaker 4: I mean the guy you've just described him, he's just different.

495
00:22:37,998 --> 00:22:40,558
Speaker 4: He's just different. And I knew that from the beginning

496
00:22:40,598 --> 00:22:44,638
Speaker 4: when people were challenging like his workout routine. Why does

497
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Speaker 4: he not do what everybody else does? Why is he

498
00:22:46,878 --> 00:22:49,958
Speaker 4: on a separate program? Because he needs to be because

499
00:22:49,958 --> 00:22:52,118
Speaker 4: what he does is different to it all everybody, what

500
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Speaker 4: all you, all of you are doing.

501
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Speaker 3: He does different things.

502
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Speaker 4: He's able to do two things at a Hall of

503
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Speaker 4: Fame level and not even an All star level. So

504
00:23:01,478 --> 00:23:05,038
Speaker 4: stay out of this conversation. Putcher again, your ego's got

505
00:23:05,038 --> 00:23:07,438
Speaker 4: to go in your back pocket. Understand, if you were

506
00:23:07,438 --> 00:23:09,118
Speaker 4: able to do that same stuff, i'd give you the

507
00:23:09,118 --> 00:23:12,838
Speaker 4: same kind of latitude. He's just different. So good health.

508
00:23:13,198 --> 00:23:15,718
Speaker 4: It's going to continue at this level at least, if

509
00:23:15,758 --> 00:23:19,158
Speaker 4: not better. The concern would always be if he would

510
00:23:19,158 --> 00:23:22,038
Speaker 4: have hurt his arm one more time. And I hope

511
00:23:22,078 --> 00:23:25,198
Speaker 4: that doesn't happen because he's just like such a jewel

512
00:23:25,238 --> 00:23:27,678
Speaker 4: to the sport. But if it were to happen, he

513
00:23:27,678 --> 00:23:30,198
Speaker 4: would come back again. And I think you could either

514
00:23:30,318 --> 00:23:32,238
Speaker 4: just deasan where I would actually put him in a

515
00:23:32,278 --> 00:23:34,718
Speaker 4: position and then he's going to show you that he's

516
00:23:34,758 --> 00:23:37,118
Speaker 4: gold glove defense at that point too.

517
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Speaker 3: And who knows, he may even have that in the.

518
00:23:38,958 --> 00:23:40,798
Speaker 4: Back of his mind that he doesn't want to threaten

519
00:23:40,838 --> 00:23:43,198
Speaker 4: the loss of his arm. Maybe just wants to pitch

520
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Speaker 4: for maybe another year, let's say, And if he's well,

521
00:23:45,758 --> 00:23:47,758
Speaker 4: he might say something like, you know what, I want

522
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Speaker 4: to just continue as a hitter. Put me in right field,

523
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Speaker 4: and I'll show you that I could be beneficial as

524
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Speaker 4: a right fielder only as an example.

525
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Speaker 3: I don't put that past them.

526
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Speaker 1: I know this about show and I've seen it myself,

527
00:23:58,998 --> 00:24:01,158
Speaker 1: and I've talked to the Dodger people about this. One

528
00:24:01,158 --> 00:24:04,958
Speaker 1: of his greatest traits, besides his incredible physical skills, is

529
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Speaker 1: that the way he plays the game with a lack

530
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Speaker 1: of stress. It's a very stressful game. It's a hard

531
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Speaker 1: game to play. There's so much outside noise to it.

532
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Speaker 1: None of that matters to show Heyo Tani. It's an

533
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Speaker 1: amazing way that he's able to play the game stress free,

534
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Speaker 1: whether he's going well, whether he's not, whether the team

535
00:24:23,078 --> 00:24:25,598
Speaker 1: is going well or not, and none of those externals

536
00:24:25,638 --> 00:24:28,238
Speaker 1: really matter to show. Hey Otani, And I bring that up, Joe,

537
00:24:28,278 --> 00:24:30,478
Speaker 1: because I don't know if you caught the press conference

538
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Speaker 1: before the open of Scotti Scheffler. It got a lot

539
00:24:33,798 --> 00:24:38,398
Speaker 1: of people's attention because he is like the anti hero,

540
00:24:38,558 --> 00:24:43,198
Speaker 1: if you will, in terms of athletic heroes these days, because.

541
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Speaker 2: He's not larger than life.

542
00:24:44,398 --> 00:24:48,238
Speaker 1: He does not want to trans transcend the sport and

543
00:24:48,278 --> 00:24:49,198
Speaker 1: be something bigger.

544
00:24:49,238 --> 00:24:51,038
Speaker 2: He's not looking for endorsements.

545
00:24:51,438 --> 00:24:54,918
Speaker 1: He's got that same kind of ease about him that

546
00:24:55,278 --> 00:24:57,318
Speaker 1: it caught a lot of people actually off guard when

547
00:24:57,318 --> 00:24:59,398
Speaker 1: he spoke at that press conference. And give you a

548
00:24:59,438 --> 00:25:02,478
Speaker 1: little snippet there, he said, I love the challenge and

549
00:25:02,558 --> 00:25:04,678
Speaker 1: talk about playing golf. I love able to play this

550
00:25:04,758 --> 00:25:06,758
Speaker 1: game for a living. It's one of the greatest joys

551
00:25:06,758 --> 00:25:10,038
Speaker 1: of my life. But does it fill the deepest wants

552
00:25:10,038 --> 00:25:13,558
Speaker 1: and desires of my heart? Absolutely not. Why do I

553
00:25:13,598 --> 00:25:16,158
Speaker 1: want to win the Open Championships so badly? I don't know,

554
00:25:16,358 --> 00:25:18,158
Speaker 1: because if I win, it's going to be an awesome

555
00:25:18,278 --> 00:25:21,278
Speaker 1: two minutes. Then we're going to go to next week.

556
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Speaker 1: It's amazing that he is so grounded, Joe. I mean,

557
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Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy who met his caddy at

558
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Speaker 1: a Bible study.

559
00:25:28,798 --> 00:25:30,758
Speaker 2: He met his wife in high school. They've been together

560
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Speaker 2: ever since then.

561
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Speaker 1: His closest people to him are his son, his three

562
00:25:35,318 --> 00:25:38,518
Speaker 1: sisters and friends he's known his Bible study group. The

563
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Speaker 1: things that fulfill Scottie Scheffler are not winning majors, and

564
00:25:43,718 --> 00:25:46,718
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the American press and fans

565
00:25:46,758 --> 00:25:49,718
Speaker 1: have a hard time dealing with that concept, Like we

566
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Speaker 1: want guys to just you know, Tiger Woods was lauded

567
00:25:53,318 --> 00:25:55,598
Speaker 1: not just because he was great, but because he brought

568
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Speaker 1: new people to the game that he transcended to sport.

569
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Speaker 1: They became a cultural icon, his image, his brand was everywhere.

570
00:26:02,358 --> 00:26:05,998
Speaker 1: We equate that with success and Scotty's paving this path

571
00:26:06,078 --> 00:26:10,158
Speaker 1: here that has nothing to do with the spoils of victory.

572
00:26:10,518 --> 00:26:13,358
Speaker 1: He wants to compete, but his fulfillment comes with things

573
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Speaker 1: that don't have anything to do with golf.

574
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Speaker 2: I thought that was so refreshing to hear.

575
00:26:18,158 --> 00:26:19,478
Speaker 3: Wonderful way to live, isn't it.

576
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Speaker 4: I mean, he just it all starts going back to

577
00:26:22,238 --> 00:26:25,078
Speaker 4: high school, meets his wife at that particular point, and

578
00:26:25,158 --> 00:26:28,118
Speaker 4: the fact that he is so grounded within his religion,

579
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Speaker 4: all that stuff matters.

580
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Speaker 3: I mean, when you have that kind of foundation, that

581
00:26:31,078 --> 00:26:32,038
Speaker 3: kind of base.

582
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Speaker 4: Than your view of the world and what it means

583
00:26:36,318 --> 00:26:38,678
Speaker 4: with his success and what am I looking forward? Are

584
00:26:38,678 --> 00:26:42,478
Speaker 4: my motivations here? It kind of defines that very quickly

585
00:26:42,478 --> 00:26:45,238
Speaker 4: and easily. He's a man of simple means. He does

586
00:26:45,278 --> 00:26:49,038
Speaker 4: not need a whole lot to bring him happiness outside

587
00:26:49,038 --> 00:26:52,358
Speaker 4: of his own family and his Bible. I mean that's

588
00:26:52,678 --> 00:26:54,718
Speaker 4: and listen, I can understand that where I come from,

589
00:26:54,758 --> 00:26:57,598
Speaker 4: how I grew up here in the Hazleton area of Pennsylvania,

590
00:26:57,758 --> 00:27:01,558
Speaker 4: it was really more of an old school method.

591
00:27:01,598 --> 00:27:02,758
Speaker 3: It's a method that's rooted.

592
00:27:02,958 --> 00:27:04,998
Speaker 4: I don't know I grew up I mean overall, I

593
00:27:05,078 --> 00:27:08,158
Speaker 4: mean my Pop's generation, my generation, he kind of got

594
00:27:08,478 --> 00:27:12,038
Speaker 4: lost with that. It's not nearly as prominent as.

595
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Speaker 3: It had been.

596
00:27:12,798 --> 00:27:14,718
Speaker 4: Heck, when I was in Prochioschol, I went to church

597
00:27:14,758 --> 00:27:17,358
Speaker 4: every day. You had to go there every morning before Mass.

598
00:27:17,478 --> 00:27:19,318
Speaker 4: I think you might have done the same thing. You

599
00:27:19,358 --> 00:27:21,798
Speaker 4: had to receive communion every day. He had this tradition

600
00:27:21,958 --> 00:27:24,678
Speaker 4: based family where you always had you always got together

601
00:27:24,718 --> 00:27:28,278
Speaker 4: as a group on Easter's, Christmas, Thanksgivings, that during the summer,

602
00:27:28,278 --> 00:27:31,838
Speaker 4: you had family reunions. I mean, all this stuff happened annually.

603
00:27:31,958 --> 00:27:34,358
Speaker 4: It was always right there. You look forward to it,

604
00:27:34,918 --> 00:27:37,318
Speaker 4: and you wanted to be with this large group of

605
00:27:37,398 --> 00:27:41,558
Speaker 4: family members. And you know, six was success. I mean

606
00:27:41,598 --> 00:27:42,998
Speaker 4: for me, you know, I wanted to get out of

607
00:27:43,038 --> 00:27:45,838
Speaker 4: here and I wanted to play ball. But I'm living

608
00:27:45,838 --> 00:27:47,838
Speaker 4: here again because of a lot of the reasons you

609
00:27:47,998 --> 00:27:50,718
Speaker 4: just described. And I feel that when I come back

610
00:27:50,758 --> 00:27:53,398
Speaker 4: here to Pennsylvania, to Hazelton, Sugarloaf right now where I'm at.

611
00:27:53,758 --> 00:27:56,398
Speaker 4: So it's where he's from, It's what he was taught

612
00:27:56,398 --> 00:27:58,678
Speaker 4: as a kid, and he never forgot that. I think

613
00:27:58,718 --> 00:28:02,758
Speaker 4: also the fact that he has been so successful, winning

614
00:28:02,918 --> 00:28:05,998
Speaker 4: so often, I think it's somewhat makes it easier to

615
00:28:06,078 --> 00:28:09,638
Speaker 4: describe it in this way. Had he not been as successful,

616
00:28:10,038 --> 00:28:11,638
Speaker 4: he might be chasing it a little bit more.

617
00:28:11,678 --> 00:28:13,518
Speaker 3: But the fact that he has had.

618
00:28:13,398 --> 00:28:16,918
Speaker 4: So much successive things satiates all the competitive desires in

619
00:28:16,918 --> 00:28:18,838
Speaker 4: a way that, yeah, he could win it, he gets

620
00:28:18,878 --> 00:28:21,118
Speaker 4: his trophy, does something nobody else has.

621
00:28:20,998 --> 00:28:22,918
Speaker 3: Done, easier to move on from there.

622
00:28:23,598 --> 00:28:25,838
Speaker 4: So there's I think I still think that's a small

623
00:28:25,918 --> 00:28:31,398
Speaker 4: part of it too. However, foundation man bedrock matters and

624
00:28:31,438 --> 00:28:34,398
Speaker 4: that's what makes him say what he says, and that's

625
00:28:34,398 --> 00:28:35,598
Speaker 4: why he truly believes.

626
00:28:35,318 --> 00:28:39,478
Speaker 1: It, and maybe that's what has helped him be so successful, right.

627
00:28:39,678 --> 00:28:42,158
Speaker 1: I mean he was asked before the Masters about his

628
00:28:42,198 --> 00:28:44,838
Speaker 1: odds of winning that tournament, and he said, it doesn't

629
00:28:44,878 --> 00:28:47,118
Speaker 1: matter if I win this tournament or lose the tournament.

630
00:28:47,598 --> 00:28:51,638
Speaker 1: My identity is secure forever. I mean, I'm going to

631
00:28:51,718 --> 00:28:53,838
Speaker 1: pick your brain here, Joe, to say, if you've got

632
00:28:53,878 --> 00:28:58,278
Speaker 1: a comp that you've managed or played against, not so

633
00:28:58,358 --> 00:29:00,998
Speaker 1: much the same kind of lifestyle, but I'm talking about

634
00:29:01,038 --> 00:29:05,438
Speaker 1: the security, the confidence to be who you are and

635
00:29:05,558 --> 00:29:08,238
Speaker 1: not sweat what the result is going to be. Two

636
00:29:08,278 --> 00:29:10,238
Speaker 1: guys come to my mind when it comes to that.

637
00:29:10,438 --> 00:29:14,078
Speaker 1: One is Derek Jeter. You know, he never worried about

638
00:29:14,158 --> 00:29:17,638
Speaker 1: failing in a big moment. He was very secure with himself.

639
00:29:18,198 --> 00:29:20,638
Speaker 1: Not for the same reasons as Scottie Scheffler. There was

640
00:29:20,718 --> 00:29:23,478
Speaker 1: just something about the way he was raised, like he

641
00:29:23,598 --> 00:29:26,318
Speaker 1: knew who he was. He didn't have to prove himself

642
00:29:26,358 --> 00:29:30,078
Speaker 1: to anybody, including to himself, and he just took things

643
00:29:30,118 --> 00:29:32,838
Speaker 1: as they came and was just relaxed the big moments.

644
00:29:32,878 --> 00:29:35,158
Speaker 1: And the other one for me is Greg Maddix. You know,

645
00:29:35,198 --> 00:29:39,038
Speaker 1: Greg Maddox was signed, didn't throw hard, especially hard. He

646
00:29:39,078 --> 00:29:41,278
Speaker 1: threw harder than people thought early in his career, by

647
00:29:41,278 --> 00:29:44,758
Speaker 1: the way, but six foot right hander with just incredible command.

648
00:29:45,278 --> 00:29:47,598
Speaker 1: And all the times I talked to Greg, you'd always

649
00:29:47,598 --> 00:29:50,198
Speaker 1: come back to kind of the same mantra, which was,

650
00:29:50,278 --> 00:29:52,958
Speaker 1: I'm playing with house money. You know, he accomplished so

651
00:29:53,078 --> 00:29:55,598
Speaker 1: much more that you know, the second half of his

652
00:29:55,718 --> 00:29:59,118
Speaker 1: career he was so content is the wrong word. I

653
00:29:59,158 --> 00:30:02,638
Speaker 1: guess secure is a better word that all of this was.

654
00:30:02,798 --> 00:30:05,718
Speaker 1: You know, he could not have been anticipated being really

655
00:30:05,718 --> 00:30:07,798
Speaker 1: one of the greatest right headed pitchers who ever lived.

656
00:30:08,278 --> 00:30:10,958
Speaker 1: And he enjoyed the fact that, as he said, I'm

657
00:30:10,998 --> 00:30:14,038
Speaker 1: playing with house money and I just saw this ease

658
00:30:14,158 --> 00:30:17,838
Speaker 1: and this contentment where you don't sweat, you know, the

659
00:30:17,918 --> 00:30:20,958
Speaker 1: bad games or the bad innings. Those are the two

660
00:30:20,998 --> 00:30:22,998
Speaker 1: guys that come to my mind. I'm wondering if there's

661
00:30:23,038 --> 00:30:25,918
Speaker 1: anybody in a similar vein, Joe that that you've been

662
00:30:26,558 --> 00:30:27,958
Speaker 1: around and picked up that vibe.

663
00:30:28,118 --> 00:30:29,318
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you four names.

664
00:30:29,678 --> 00:30:33,478
Speaker 4: As as you were describing all that, I'm going thin

665
00:30:33,558 --> 00:30:36,518
Speaker 4: slicing four names that came immediately to mind. Kyle Hendricks,

666
00:30:36,998 --> 00:30:41,558
Speaker 4: Timmy Salmon, David Eckstein, and Ben Zobrist. They all kind

667
00:30:41,598 --> 00:30:44,558
Speaker 4: of have that kind of filter that that that worldview

668
00:30:44,638 --> 00:30:50,918
Speaker 4: that you're describing. Kyle the most centered pitcher fellow person.

669
00:30:51,478 --> 00:30:54,238
Speaker 4: Very rarely did you ever see any kind of emotion

670
00:30:54,358 --> 00:30:57,158
Speaker 4: to the point where he just was devastating if something

671
00:30:57,198 --> 00:30:59,798
Speaker 4: didn't go well on a baseball field. Timmy Salmon got

672
00:30:59,838 --> 00:31:02,478
Speaker 4: hit in the face in the minor leagues badly and

673
00:31:02,518 --> 00:31:05,078
Speaker 4: had his job broken, and he came back from that.

674
00:31:05,158 --> 00:31:07,478
Speaker 4: David Eckstein was the most he played the game. He

675
00:31:07,558 --> 00:31:09,198
Speaker 4: was like he was like it was almost like a show,

676
00:31:09,318 --> 00:31:11,878
Speaker 4: didn't have show's ability, but eck was always playing a

677
00:31:11,918 --> 00:31:15,238
Speaker 4: game within the game on the field. And Ben Zebra's unique,

678
00:31:15,278 --> 00:31:17,958
Speaker 4: just a unique human being man. And when he first

679
00:31:17,958 --> 00:31:20,438
Speaker 4: came up with the rays utility kind of it was

680
00:31:20,478 --> 00:31:23,198
Speaker 4: a shortstop, then became utility, and he was truly one

681
00:31:23,238 --> 00:31:25,958
Speaker 4: of the first legitimate super utility guys. But all these

682
00:31:25,958 --> 00:31:29,278
Speaker 4: guys away from the field had a real strong sense

683
00:31:29,278 --> 00:31:33,918
Speaker 4: of family, very grounded, didn't get emotionally bent out of

684
00:31:33,958 --> 00:31:35,838
Speaker 4: shape if things didn't go well for them, because they

685
00:31:35,918 --> 00:31:38,078
Speaker 4: knew if they just stayed the course, it was going

686
00:31:38,158 --> 00:31:39,278
Speaker 4: to come back and get better.

687
00:31:39,398 --> 00:31:41,598
Speaker 3: And I could talk to them during the game, we'd have.

688
00:31:41,638 --> 00:31:44,958
Speaker 4: Normal conversations, they'd come back and see things, and then

689
00:31:44,998 --> 00:31:48,238
Speaker 4: we would have the give and take with that. So, yeah,

690
00:31:48,278 --> 00:31:50,718
Speaker 4: these are four guys that I really have so much

691
00:31:50,758 --> 00:31:53,598
Speaker 4: respect for, and I thought they played the game properly

692
00:31:53,638 --> 00:31:55,718
Speaker 4: and took it the right way.

693
00:31:56,078 --> 00:31:57,398
Speaker 3: When things didn't go well.

694
00:31:57,198 --> 00:31:57,758
Speaker 2: Good stuff.

695
00:31:57,918 --> 00:31:59,358
Speaker 1: I knew you'd have an answer, And he gave me

696
00:31:59,438 --> 00:32:01,238
Speaker 1: four names. That was more than I asked for. And

697
00:32:01,278 --> 00:32:02,158
Speaker 1: I'm unsurprised.

698
00:32:03,078 --> 00:32:03,798
Speaker 2: Great names.

699
00:32:04,198 --> 00:32:06,118
Speaker 1: I can't say I know them as well as you,

700
00:32:06,158 --> 00:32:08,238
Speaker 1: but all those I got that same feeling, Joe, So

701
00:32:08,358 --> 00:32:09,158
Speaker 1: good call there.

702
00:32:09,518 --> 00:32:09,718
Speaker 2: Now.

703
00:32:09,718 --> 00:32:13,478
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get your take on artificial intelligence.

704
00:32:13,598 --> 00:32:15,038
Speaker 2: Joe, AI.

705
00:32:15,398 --> 00:32:18,158
Speaker 1: Let's dive into that right after this on the Book

706
00:32:18,198 --> 00:32:29,198
Speaker 1: of Joe.

707
00:32:30,558 --> 00:32:31,798
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Book of Joe.

708
00:32:31,878 --> 00:32:35,278
Speaker 1: I brought up AI Joe, not especially as it relates

709
00:32:35,438 --> 00:32:37,958
Speaker 1: to baseball, although it is happening in the sport. You know,

710
00:32:38,078 --> 00:32:40,518
Speaker 1: you can now break down and posing pictures in terms

711
00:32:40,518 --> 00:32:42,798
Speaker 1: of their tells and how they grip a baseball. And

712
00:32:42,838 --> 00:32:45,998
Speaker 1: they do this by having analysts overlay videos and find

713
00:32:45,998 --> 00:32:49,518
Speaker 1: out what's different. So the human eyeball is being replaced

714
00:32:49,838 --> 00:32:52,918
Speaker 1: by artificial intelligence. Just remember when you hear those words

715
00:32:53,158 --> 00:32:58,078
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. Remember that first word, it's artificial. And I

716
00:32:58,118 --> 00:33:00,358
Speaker 1: bring it up Joe because there was an interesting essay

717
00:33:00,478 --> 00:33:03,478
Speaker 1: in The New York Times written by Megan O'Rourke. She's

718
00:33:03,518 --> 00:33:07,078
Speaker 1: a profet serve creative writing at Yale University. Because now

719
00:33:07,118 --> 00:33:09,238
Speaker 1: all the kids in school, you know, you need to

720
00:33:09,238 --> 00:33:11,078
Speaker 1: write an essay, you get a homework assignment, what do

721
00:33:11,118 --> 00:33:13,638
Speaker 1: you do? You know, you go to AI and basically

722
00:33:13,718 --> 00:33:17,118
Speaker 1: have them do that for you. And it's an incredible tool.

723
00:33:17,238 --> 00:33:20,438
Speaker 1: I mean, you have access to so many resources that

724
00:33:20,478 --> 00:33:24,358
Speaker 1: you otherwise wouldn't it does, you know, really cut the

725
00:33:24,398 --> 00:33:26,918
Speaker 1: time it takes to find things. If you're looking to

726
00:33:26,958 --> 00:33:31,678
Speaker 1: do some research, but it's actually replacing the thought process

727
00:33:31,718 --> 00:33:35,638
Speaker 1: when it comes to writing, and I actually think it's

728
00:33:36,518 --> 00:33:38,318
Speaker 1: it's redundant to say creative writing.

729
00:33:38,518 --> 00:33:39,678
Speaker 2: Every writing is creative.

730
00:33:39,718 --> 00:33:42,918
Speaker 1: Every writing is a human expression as much as it

731
00:33:42,998 --> 00:33:46,718
Speaker 1: is your physical characteristics. So I just want to read

732
00:33:46,718 --> 00:33:49,118
Speaker 1: a couple of clips from her piece, Joe, because maybe

733
00:33:49,158 --> 00:33:50,798
Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll have a take on this as it

734
00:33:50,838 --> 00:33:54,558
Speaker 1: relates to how baseball is becoming more technical, right and

735
00:33:54,678 --> 00:33:57,678
Speaker 1: less human? She said, Our students are caught in a

736
00:33:57,798 --> 00:34:02,118
Speaker 1: relentless arms race of jockeying for the next resume item.

737
00:34:02,358 --> 00:34:05,638
Speaker 1: Time to read deeply or write ref reflexively is scarce.

738
00:34:06,318 --> 00:34:09,918
Speaker 1: Where once the gentlemen see sufficed. Now my students can

739
00:34:10,038 --> 00:34:13,038
Speaker 1: use AI to secure the technocrats a.

740
00:34:13,478 --> 00:34:14,358
Speaker 2: I love that phrase.

741
00:34:14,398 --> 00:34:17,158
Speaker 1: By the way, many are going to take that option,

742
00:34:17,478 --> 00:34:20,838
Speaker 1: especially if they believe that in the jobs they're headed for,

743
00:34:21,158 --> 00:34:24,638
Speaker 1: AI will write the memos anyway. So we're training them

744
00:34:24,678 --> 00:34:27,038
Speaker 1: to rely on AI, right, So she says, for me,

745
00:34:27,078 --> 00:34:30,318
Speaker 1: as an educator, it's quite clear when someone has used

746
00:34:30,358 --> 00:34:33,718
Speaker 1: AI to craft most of their essay, when asked basic

747
00:34:33,758 --> 00:34:36,958
Speaker 1: critical questions on the paper, the ones who relied on

748
00:34:37,038 --> 00:34:41,558
Speaker 1: AI know very little about what they wrote. And start

749
00:34:41,598 --> 00:34:46,238
Speaker 1: bluffing in obvious ways. I'll give you the floor, Joe,

750
00:34:46,238 --> 00:34:50,118
Speaker 1: because I do think that's again a warning shot about

751
00:34:50,198 --> 00:34:53,958
Speaker 1: we've come to this precipice of convenience with a lot

752
00:34:53,998 --> 00:34:58,838
Speaker 1: of things. But convenience doesn't necessarily mean better. It's just saying,

753
00:34:58,958 --> 00:35:01,278
Speaker 1: don't do away with, but be careful with.

754
00:35:01,638 --> 00:35:03,918
Speaker 3: The arts are at risk. I mean I think overall

755
00:35:03,958 --> 00:35:04,598
Speaker 3: arts or at risk.

756
00:35:04,638 --> 00:35:07,358
Speaker 4: Whether it's just creative writing, whether it's writing a play,

757
00:35:07,558 --> 00:35:11,358
Speaker 4: whether it's art itself, whether it's painting, any anything that

758
00:35:11,398 --> 00:35:14,598
Speaker 4: pertains to the arts is at risk because now you

759
00:35:14,638 --> 00:35:18,838
Speaker 4: could ask this artificial being to create, whether it's something

760
00:35:18,958 --> 00:35:25,798
Speaker 4: to write, something mural, whatever, composition, music for a group.

761
00:35:26,238 --> 00:35:30,198
Speaker 4: The critical thinking is no longer important. You're the reading

762
00:35:30,198 --> 00:35:33,038
Speaker 4: that you've done growing up is no longer important. None

763
00:35:33,078 --> 00:35:35,078
Speaker 4: of that matters anymore because you're not going to be

764
00:35:35,158 --> 00:35:39,918
Speaker 4: asked to utilize that, and then you you whatever that

765
00:35:40,038 --> 00:35:42,278
Speaker 4: is that send you, that part of you, that that

766
00:35:42,278 --> 00:35:44,558
Speaker 4: that the guts that you have in your in your

767
00:35:44,598 --> 00:35:47,958
Speaker 4: stomach is no longer part of this. Your life experiences

768
00:35:47,958 --> 00:35:50,398
Speaker 4: don't matter. The observation of looking out your window and

769
00:35:50,598 --> 00:35:53,518
Speaker 4: describing that tree or describing that golf course of that tribe.

770
00:35:53,998 --> 00:35:56,398
Speaker 4: That doesn't matter anymore because you're going to rely on

771
00:35:57,118 --> 00:36:01,278
Speaker 4: this thing to then describe for you so that you

772
00:36:01,318 --> 00:36:05,998
Speaker 4: could then attempt to benefit per sell it become famous

773
00:36:06,038 --> 00:36:10,038
Speaker 4: by it by artificial means, and that's creative for critical thinking.

774
00:36:10,078 --> 00:36:11,838
Speaker 4: I think goes by the white side. The arts are

775
00:36:11,838 --> 00:36:14,878
Speaker 4: at risk for me. AI what would I like it?

776
00:36:14,918 --> 00:36:17,278
Speaker 4: I want it in medicine, man, absolutely, I want I

777
00:36:17,318 --> 00:36:21,558
Speaker 4: want the best possible thought process regarding medicine, whether it's

778
00:36:21,798 --> 00:36:25,238
Speaker 4: the anti aging, whether it's cancer, whether it's Parkinson's, whatever

779
00:36:25,238 --> 00:36:27,758
Speaker 4: it might be that is really stumped us to this point.

780
00:36:28,238 --> 00:36:29,398
Speaker 3: Absolutely apply it.

781
00:36:29,758 --> 00:36:32,718
Speaker 4: I think defending your country, I mean when it comes

782
00:36:32,758 --> 00:36:35,278
Speaker 4: to defense, I mean it's going to be widespread, and

783
00:36:35,358 --> 00:36:38,398
Speaker 4: I think hopefully that it's all going to balance one

784
00:36:38,398 --> 00:36:40,838
Speaker 4: another out to the point where I don't care how

785
00:36:41,078 --> 00:36:43,398
Speaker 4: unsophisticated a place may appear to be. This is going

786
00:36:43,438 --> 00:36:45,758
Speaker 4: to make them more sophisticated quickly. So all of a sudden,

787
00:36:45,758 --> 00:36:48,718
Speaker 4: you're going to have this arms race defensively, and that's

788
00:36:48,718 --> 00:36:51,798
Speaker 4: where it could become very important. I think money, finances,

789
00:36:51,838 --> 00:36:54,558
Speaker 4: fall street, whatever that's going to really rely on this

790
00:36:54,678 --> 00:36:58,118
Speaker 4: even more so. And I'm not as concerned about that.

791
00:36:58,238 --> 00:37:01,078
Speaker 4: I'm concerned about the critical thinking of human beings. I'm

792
00:37:01,118 --> 00:37:03,558
Speaker 4: concerned about the arts. I mean, that's where my heart is,

793
00:37:03,598 --> 00:37:05,358
Speaker 4: that's where your heart is, and for me, that's where

794
00:37:05,358 --> 00:37:06,238
Speaker 4: the game of baseball is.

795
00:37:06,278 --> 00:37:07,478
Speaker 3: And it's going in the wrong direction.

796
00:37:07,678 --> 00:37:10,518
Speaker 4: I used to talk about, you know, the the inexact

797
00:37:10,638 --> 00:37:13,478
Speaker 4: science of scouting as a as a young scout, and

798
00:37:13,478 --> 00:37:15,838
Speaker 4: how that pertained to your experience of what you saw

799
00:37:16,518 --> 00:37:18,598
Speaker 4: and if could you actually see things and you break

800
00:37:18,678 --> 00:37:20,558
Speaker 4: things down, can you slow it down?

801
00:37:20,838 --> 00:37:23,158
Speaker 3: Can you think in the moment? Can you can.

802
00:37:23,078 --> 00:37:24,958
Speaker 4: You rely on something that's happened to you in the

803
00:37:24,998 --> 00:37:27,358
Speaker 4: past and incorporate it right now?

804
00:37:27,558 --> 00:37:28,278
Speaker 3: Not necessary?

805
00:37:28,518 --> 00:37:31,118
Speaker 4: And this is even when you talk about baseball the

806
00:37:31,438 --> 00:37:36,198
Speaker 4: acceptance of artificial intelligence and what that means even further,

807
00:37:36,278 --> 00:37:37,958
Speaker 4: and I'm just going to speak from the seat that

808
00:37:37,998 --> 00:37:41,398
Speaker 4: I held. It's going to deem the manager even more use.

809
00:37:41,438 --> 00:37:43,998
Speaker 4: As I'm telling you, met sets are coming around the right,

810
00:37:43,998 --> 00:37:47,358
Speaker 4: around the corner. It's like an NFL coach whatever. Uh,

811
00:37:47,558 --> 00:37:50,358
Speaker 4: there's going to be a tremendous amount of input from

812
00:37:50,398 --> 00:37:53,558
Speaker 4: somebody sitting on top down below, and they're gonna think

813
00:37:53,598 --> 00:37:56,438
Speaker 4: it's okay, it's good because you know, everybody's doing it.

814
00:37:56,478 --> 00:37:57,078
Speaker 3: We're all good.

815
00:37:57,398 --> 00:37:59,758
Speaker 4: We're gonna have the same, uh, pretty much the same

816
00:37:59,758 --> 00:38:02,078
Speaker 4: set of information, and we're going to try to choreograph

817
00:38:02,118 --> 00:38:04,558
Speaker 4: from above and what you've done in the past, what

818
00:38:04,638 --> 00:38:07,078
Speaker 4: you've read, what you've learned, where you've been. The mistakes

819
00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:10,838
Speaker 4: you've made are pointless at this point, so the arts

820
00:38:10,838 --> 00:38:14,038
Speaker 4: are at risk. So there's some areas that I do

821
00:38:14,158 --> 00:38:14,478
Speaker 4: like it.

822
00:38:14,558 --> 00:38:16,558
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to swing this again like you

823
00:38:16,798 --> 00:38:17,358
Speaker 2: just did, Joe.

824
00:38:17,398 --> 00:38:20,918
Speaker 1: Bring it back to baseball, because watching the Yankees in Toronto,

825
00:38:21,478 --> 00:38:24,918
Speaker 1: you know, Aaron Boone had one of his great rants

826
00:38:24,998 --> 00:38:27,078
Speaker 1: with I believe it was mannigan Zalas, the home plate

827
00:38:27,118 --> 00:38:30,398
Speaker 1: umpire on ball strike calls, right, I mean, the umpire

828
00:38:30,478 --> 00:38:32,438
Speaker 1: gave it back to him. I mean it was pretty

829
00:38:32,438 --> 00:38:35,198
Speaker 1: cool to see, I mean literally face to face, almost

830
00:38:35,198 --> 00:38:36,278
Speaker 1: spitting on each other.

831
00:38:37,718 --> 00:38:41,238
Speaker 2: They were that close. And that's going away. We know that.

832
00:38:41,398 --> 00:38:43,518
Speaker 1: And I understand what Boone is doing there. I mean,

833
00:38:43,838 --> 00:38:46,158
Speaker 1: his pitching coach got wrong, so he's defending him. But

834
00:38:46,198 --> 00:38:48,438
Speaker 1: he also seen, as we talked about his team kicking

835
00:38:48,438 --> 00:38:50,638
Speaker 1: the ball around for the last month and a half.

836
00:38:50,758 --> 00:38:53,078
Speaker 1: You know, he's tired of watching it, tired of answering

837
00:38:53,118 --> 00:38:56,678
Speaker 1: for it, and that was, you know, listening, he let

838
00:38:56,718 --> 00:38:58,678
Speaker 1: off some steam. There's no question about it. It's part

839
00:38:58,718 --> 00:39:01,838
Speaker 1: of the game's tradition that's going away. As we talked

840
00:39:01,838 --> 00:39:05,318
Speaker 1: about Joe with the ABS, the automated ball strike system

841
00:39:05,358 --> 00:39:07,478
Speaker 1: where now you can challenge, and the more I think

842
00:39:07,518 --> 00:39:10,758
Speaker 1: about it, I like the system, but I would limit

843
00:39:10,798 --> 00:39:13,478
Speaker 1: it to maybe just one challenge per game because we

844
00:39:13,558 --> 00:39:16,318
Speaker 1: saw in the All Star game that and I know

845
00:39:16,358 --> 00:39:18,198
Speaker 1: they've done this in the minor leagues as well. When

846
00:39:18,238 --> 00:39:22,358
Speaker 1: you start getting five or six challenges, right, it becomes

847
00:39:22,398 --> 00:39:26,598
Speaker 1: too many. You're stopping the game down. The novelty is gone,

848
00:39:26,678 --> 00:39:30,198
Speaker 1: and you're not necessarily changing the calls that might change

849
00:39:30,198 --> 00:39:32,958
Speaker 1: the game. You're just changing a call. And I'm all about,

850
00:39:33,078 --> 00:39:35,278
Speaker 1: you know, getting it right. You don't want that basis

851
00:39:35,318 --> 00:39:37,638
Speaker 1: loaded three to two pitch that decides the game to

852
00:39:37,718 --> 00:39:38,558
Speaker 1: be miscalled.

853
00:39:38,918 --> 00:39:40,678
Speaker 2: But listen, these umpires do a great job.

854
00:39:40,718 --> 00:39:42,958
Speaker 1: If you look at the data, they're actually doing better

855
00:39:43,038 --> 00:39:45,438
Speaker 1: and better, especially this year where they've been told you've

856
00:39:45,478 --> 00:39:48,358
Speaker 1: got less of a buffer zone on your grading system,

857
00:39:48,478 --> 00:39:50,518
Speaker 1: and they're doing a great job. But even the best

858
00:39:50,638 --> 00:39:53,438
Speaker 1: umpires they're gonna miss five to ten calls a game.

859
00:39:53,638 --> 00:39:56,358
Speaker 2: Do I want all five to ten of those calls

860
00:39:56,398 --> 00:39:57,238
Speaker 2: to be reviewed?

861
00:39:57,718 --> 00:39:57,918
Speaker 3: No?

862
00:39:58,118 --> 00:39:58,638
Speaker 2: I don't.

863
00:39:58,758 --> 00:40:01,358
Speaker 1: So you're saying you're giving them two, but you retain

864
00:40:01,398 --> 00:40:03,838
Speaker 1: your challenge if you're right, Well, they're going to be

865
00:40:04,078 --> 00:40:06,798
Speaker 1: right probably fifty sixty percent of the time. So now

866
00:40:07,038 --> 00:40:10,598
Speaker 1: your two becomes three to five. And if each team

867
00:40:10,638 --> 00:40:12,838
Speaker 1: is doing that, I don't want to stop the game

868
00:40:12,958 --> 00:40:16,358
Speaker 1: that many times. So again I would dip a toe

869
00:40:16,398 --> 00:40:19,358
Speaker 1: into these waters rather than going full on in. And

870
00:40:19,398 --> 00:40:21,958
Speaker 1: if it's just what you really have to be judicious

871
00:40:21,958 --> 00:40:22,358
Speaker 1: about it.

872
00:40:22,358 --> 00:40:22,918
Speaker 2: It's coming.

873
00:40:22,998 --> 00:40:25,758
Speaker 1: I understand that you're not going to stop progress. I'm

874
00:40:25,758 --> 00:40:28,118
Speaker 1: not against that, but I do think we need governors

875
00:40:28,158 --> 00:40:31,798
Speaker 1: on these technological improvements so to speak.

876
00:40:32,118 --> 00:40:34,718
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is progress, you know, I still ask myself

877
00:40:34,758 --> 00:40:38,318
Speaker 4: that question, is progress just because you're going to change

878
00:40:38,398 --> 00:40:40,518
Speaker 4: because it's available to do something like that, as it

879
00:40:40,558 --> 00:40:43,758
Speaker 4: progressive or is it necessary to do that? And I

880
00:40:43,798 --> 00:40:48,118
Speaker 4: still insist that the marriage with professional sports and betting

881
00:40:48,118 --> 00:40:51,358
Speaker 4: and gambling as part of the requirement right here, that's

882
00:40:51,358 --> 00:40:53,798
Speaker 4: why it's got to be perfect. And you just described

883
00:40:53,838 --> 00:40:57,678
Speaker 4: exactly why I believe it's not. It shouldn't be as important,

884
00:40:57,718 --> 00:41:00,158
Speaker 4: it's not as necessary. The ability for the manager to

885
00:41:00,158 --> 00:41:02,078
Speaker 4: go out there and really get into with an umpire

886
00:41:02,438 --> 00:41:05,798
Speaker 4: part of entertainment, part of the ability to defend your brood.

887
00:41:06,318 --> 00:41:10,438
Speaker 4: Also the potential to motivate. All these things are part

888
00:41:10,558 --> 00:41:13,238
Speaker 4: of the entertainment value of our game. It's going to

889
00:41:13,238 --> 00:41:16,798
Speaker 4: become very staid. It's going to be so predictable. The

890
00:41:17,078 --> 00:41:18,558
Speaker 4: emotion is going to be subtracted.

891
00:41:19,118 --> 00:41:19,518
Speaker 3: Right now.

892
00:41:19,518 --> 00:41:21,398
Speaker 4: You get you know, you got the guys that accused

893
00:41:21,438 --> 00:41:23,198
Speaker 4: them that running cards, You got bat flips. I just

894
00:41:23,238 --> 00:41:25,598
Speaker 4: read about something happened in New Jersey. I think it

895
00:41:25,638 --> 00:41:27,798
Speaker 4: was where a kid got suspended for a bat flip

896
00:41:28,318 --> 00:41:30,998
Speaker 4: in a game because with something, you know, inappropriate behavior.

897
00:41:31,438 --> 00:41:34,318
Speaker 4: Even though they had this, this organization had sent out

898
00:41:34,438 --> 00:41:39,038
Speaker 4: videos on social media about kids flipping bats. They're going

899
00:41:39,118 --> 00:41:41,318
Speaker 4: to do exactly with the major league I did. I

900
00:41:41,318 --> 00:41:43,158
Speaker 4: did exactly what major league players. I used to stand

901
00:41:43,198 --> 00:41:45,758
Speaker 4: like Orlando Cupaida, you wear your socks that way. And

902
00:41:45,758 --> 00:41:48,638
Speaker 4: if I could have grown an afro like Oscar Gamble,

903
00:41:48,638 --> 00:41:50,158
Speaker 4: I would have. You know, there's always going to be

904
00:41:50,158 --> 00:41:53,358
Speaker 4: that replication, So be careful with what we're doing right here.

905
00:41:53,558 --> 00:41:56,358
Speaker 4: So again, my concern, my problem with a lot of

906
00:41:56,358 --> 00:41:59,838
Speaker 4: it is I think this so called progress is the

907
00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:05,038
Speaker 4: result of the over arching, overbearing, the this, this we're

908
00:42:05,078 --> 00:42:06,918
Speaker 4: arriving at this point where everything's got to be gambled

909
00:42:06,998 --> 00:42:09,718
Speaker 4: upon and with that, and it's so easy to gamble

910
00:42:09,758 --> 00:42:12,158
Speaker 4: upon it, and the fact that I still believe something

911
00:42:12,198 --> 00:42:13,878
Speaker 4: bad is gonna happen because of this. I mean like

912
00:42:14,118 --> 00:42:16,798
Speaker 4: somebody's gonna get injured off the field because of all this.

913
00:42:16,878 --> 00:42:19,918
Speaker 4: So I they're all interconnected. So I want to hear

914
00:42:19,918 --> 00:42:23,238
Speaker 4: the word progress, hear the word progressive just because you

915
00:42:23,278 --> 00:42:26,078
Speaker 4: have something, a different idea or something you're now able

916
00:42:26,118 --> 00:42:27,638
Speaker 4: to do it that you weren't able to do before.

917
00:42:28,198 --> 00:42:30,078
Speaker 4: Not necessarily what you need, and I don't think it

918
00:42:30,158 --> 00:42:30,798
Speaker 4: absolutely needed.

919
00:42:30,838 --> 00:42:31,598
Speaker 3: In the sport, we.

920
00:42:31,598 --> 00:42:35,998
Speaker 2: Are all gunning for the technocrats. A I love that.

921
00:42:35,998 --> 00:42:36,918
Speaker 3: That's so funny.

922
00:42:36,958 --> 00:42:38,118
Speaker 2: That really nails it.

923
00:42:38,958 --> 00:42:40,798
Speaker 1: Speaking of nailing it, you do it every time on

924
00:42:40,798 --> 00:42:42,958
Speaker 1: the Book of Joe podcast Joe, What do you got

925
00:42:42,998 --> 00:42:43,598
Speaker 1: to bring us home?

926
00:42:43,638 --> 00:42:43,958
Speaker 2: Today?

927
00:42:44,118 --> 00:42:45,238
Speaker 3: Yeah? I know again we're here.

928
00:42:45,678 --> 00:42:48,638
Speaker 4: You know, I was thinking about the trade deadline and

929
00:42:48,678 --> 00:42:51,238
Speaker 4: the five hundred teams with the slightly below five hundred teams,

930
00:42:51,438 --> 00:42:53,718
Speaker 4: and you know, their their face with what they want

931
00:42:53,758 --> 00:42:56,238
Speaker 4: to do right here was it years ago as the

932
00:42:56,238 --> 00:42:58,758
Speaker 4: White Sox were actually like even in a better position

933
00:42:59,758 --> 00:43:00,278
Speaker 4: in a race.

934
00:43:00,318 --> 00:43:01,518
Speaker 3: I can't remember exactly.

935
00:43:01,198 --> 00:43:04,518
Speaker 1: The famous white flag trade right right where they were

936
00:43:04,638 --> 00:43:07,958
Speaker 1: a couple of two three games out and decided we're

937
00:43:07,958 --> 00:43:09,038
Speaker 1: going to make a big deal.

938
00:43:09,558 --> 00:43:11,358
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, had that was like that was a

939
00:43:11,398 --> 00:43:14,798
Speaker 4: real baseball guy's working back. But it's about flexibility, adaptation,

940
00:43:14,918 --> 00:43:17,478
Speaker 4: That's what I thought. And this one is I can't

941
00:43:17,478 --> 00:43:20,998
Speaker 4: even know that this elude deniche obiiro is the name, and.

942
00:43:20,958 --> 00:43:21,718
Speaker 3: I have to look that up.

943
00:43:21,758 --> 00:43:25,118
Speaker 4: But it adaptation is not surrender, but the art of

944
00:43:25,198 --> 00:43:28,278
Speaker 4: thriving in the face of the inevitable. So, okay, what

945
00:43:28,358 --> 00:43:30,318
Speaker 4: is the inevitable right here? To me, it would be

946
00:43:30,358 --> 00:43:32,598
Speaker 4: if you're in a position like say the Angels or

947
00:43:32,918 --> 00:43:34,878
Speaker 4: any of the teams that are slightly below five hundred,

948
00:43:34,918 --> 00:43:37,798
Speaker 4: especially in this race, the inevitable would be that you're

949
00:43:37,918 --> 00:43:40,158
Speaker 4: probably not going to make this and so how do

950
00:43:40,238 --> 00:43:43,078
Speaker 4: I make myself better in the future. The adaptation it's

951
00:43:43,078 --> 00:43:45,238
Speaker 4: not a surrender, but the art of thriving in the

952
00:43:45,278 --> 00:43:48,078
Speaker 4: face of the inevitable. I thought that was really exactly

953
00:43:48,158 --> 00:43:49,718
Speaker 4: what's going on right now. You have to make that

954
00:43:49,758 --> 00:43:52,718
Speaker 4: determination as a group, I would be very difficult for

955
00:43:52,878 --> 00:43:55,798
Speaker 4: me as a manager to want my group to just

956
00:43:55,958 --> 00:43:58,158
Speaker 4: concede right now. Even if I were the Angels a

957
00:43:58,198 --> 00:44:01,278
Speaker 4: couple games under five hundred, it'd be difficult for me

958
00:44:01,398 --> 00:44:03,758
Speaker 4: to just concede at this point. You said earlier, you

959
00:44:03,758 --> 00:44:07,038
Speaker 4: have to consider all these teams above you, the've actually

960
00:44:07,118 --> 00:44:10,038
Speaker 4: been playing over five hundred most of the time, and

961
00:44:10,158 --> 00:44:12,398
Speaker 4: to think that you've been under five hundred most of

962
00:44:12,438 --> 00:44:13,878
Speaker 4: the time, all of a sudden, you're going to become

963
00:44:14,318 --> 00:44:18,718
Speaker 4: somebody different. That's really difficult to assume that's going to occur.

964
00:44:19,198 --> 00:44:23,158
Speaker 4: Adaptation and flexibility is important, but also being realistic and

965
00:44:23,998 --> 00:44:27,318
Speaker 4: really understanding and sometimes you just got hit punt for

966
00:44:27,358 --> 00:44:29,598
Speaker 4: the coffin corner for now, and the hopes that you're

967
00:44:29,638 --> 00:44:31,158
Speaker 4: going to be better the next several years.

968
00:44:31,438 --> 00:44:33,798
Speaker 1: Oh great, Joe, And let me add something to that too,

969
00:44:33,878 --> 00:44:36,238
Speaker 1: because I think this is part of what we do

970
00:44:36,278 --> 00:44:39,278
Speaker 1: in the media. We oversimplify things that everybody's either a

971
00:44:39,318 --> 00:44:42,878
Speaker 1: buyer or a seller. You know, baseball is not that

972
00:44:42,998 --> 00:44:45,718
Speaker 1: binary when it comes to team building, right, So a

973
00:44:45,758 --> 00:44:48,398
Speaker 1: team like the Angels with diamondbacks, they can make a

974
00:44:48,558 --> 00:44:52,358
Speaker 1: trade that is not necessarily waving the white flag to

975
00:44:52,358 --> 00:44:56,438
Speaker 1: borrow the White Sox term, but makes them better going forward.

976
00:44:56,518 --> 00:44:58,558
Speaker 1: If you don't think there's a chance you're going to

977
00:44:58,598 --> 00:45:01,638
Speaker 1: re sign these free agents to be and you need, say,

978
00:45:01,718 --> 00:45:04,958
Speaker 1: controllable pitcher for the next couple of years for a

979
00:45:05,038 --> 00:45:07,878
Speaker 1: Zach Gallen or Merrill Kelly, well you can do that

980
00:45:07,998 --> 00:45:10,838
Speaker 1: and it's not necessarily giving up on your season. I

981
00:45:10,838 --> 00:45:13,438
Speaker 1: mean that there is a lot of room between completely

982
00:45:13,478 --> 00:45:17,718
Speaker 1: buying and completely selling. No better case than Detroit last

983
00:45:17,798 --> 00:45:20,238
Speaker 1: year where they traded Jack Flaherty. They wound up with

984
00:45:20,278 --> 00:45:23,598
Speaker 1: Tray Sweeney, the shortstop from the Dodgers. They re signed Floherty. Actually,

985
00:45:23,638 --> 00:45:25,958
Speaker 1: did they think they were going out a run, Probably not,

986
00:45:26,358 --> 00:45:28,198
Speaker 1: but it was a deal that made sense for a

987
00:45:28,238 --> 00:45:30,198
Speaker 1: free agent to be and there they were back in

988
00:45:30,238 --> 00:45:34,278
Speaker 1: the postseason anyway. So I think we have to have

989
00:45:34,318 --> 00:45:37,998
Speaker 1: a slightly more sophisticated vision of what the trade deadline is.

990
00:45:38,158 --> 00:45:42,238
Speaker 1: It's the last chance for teams to get better in

991
00:45:42,318 --> 00:45:44,318
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five season. You're not going to add

992
00:45:44,358 --> 00:45:46,878
Speaker 1: anybody after the date of value anyway. But it's also

993
00:45:46,958 --> 00:45:49,158
Speaker 1: a chance to start working on your team the next

994
00:45:49,238 --> 00:45:52,758
Speaker 1: year as well, with kind of you know, splitting the

995
00:45:52,918 --> 00:45:56,958
Speaker 1: responsibilities to hear and now and next year's team. It's

996
00:45:57,038 --> 00:45:59,798
Speaker 1: not necessarily either or so keep an eye on that

997
00:45:59,838 --> 00:46:00,958
Speaker 1: as we get to the deadline.

998
00:46:01,198 --> 00:46:02,998
Speaker 4: Yeah, the problem is that once in a while, an

999
00:46:03,038 --> 00:46:05,438
Speaker 4: outlier will jump and all of a sudden they make

1000
00:46:05,478 --> 00:46:07,958
Speaker 4: this nice run, like you know the Diamondbacks did a

1001
00:46:07,998 --> 00:46:10,238
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, and like you suggested with Detroit.

1002
00:46:10,278 --> 00:46:13,518
Speaker 4: So everybody sees themselves as being that that particular team.

1003
00:46:13,558 --> 00:46:15,718
Speaker 4: But even going back, I'm staying on the Angel thing

1004
00:46:15,718 --> 00:46:18,478
Speaker 4: when they didn't trade oh Tani coming down to the end,

1005
00:46:18,518 --> 00:46:20,918
Speaker 4: and I always thought, and I do, I believe that

1006
00:46:20,958 --> 00:46:22,838
Speaker 4: once a Tawny was gone, they should have traded to

1007
00:46:22,878 --> 00:46:26,678
Speaker 4: Trot at that point to really try to benefit from

1008
00:46:26,678 --> 00:46:28,478
Speaker 4: what they had right there, and they probably would.

1009
00:46:28,278 --> 00:46:29,598
Speaker 3: Be even further along right now.

1010
00:46:29,998 --> 00:46:34,158
Speaker 4: So you have to be pragmatic, be honest about your evaluation.

1011
00:46:34,318 --> 00:46:37,638
Speaker 4: This is where like really steady heads and minds, and

1012
00:46:37,678 --> 00:46:40,238
Speaker 4: this is where you have to really not be egotistical

1013
00:46:40,238 --> 00:46:43,838
Speaker 4: about it whatsoever and just try to understand what is

1014
00:46:43,838 --> 00:46:45,198
Speaker 4: our vision right here, what are we trying to do,

1015
00:46:45,238 --> 00:46:46,198
Speaker 4: and what is possible.

1016
00:46:46,958 --> 00:46:48,318
Speaker 3: And again last point.

1017
00:46:48,078 --> 00:46:51,038
Speaker 4: If you have been playing at below five hundred to

1018
00:46:51,078 --> 00:46:53,158
Speaker 4: this point and to the season, and other teams have

1019
00:46:53,238 --> 00:46:56,878
Speaker 4: been above it. It's really not wise to believe you're

1020
00:46:56,878 --> 00:46:58,878
Speaker 4: gonna be able to turn a switch right now and

1021
00:46:58,918 --> 00:47:00,558
Speaker 4: all of a sudden become a team that you are not.

1022
00:47:00,918 --> 00:47:03,198
Speaker 4: I think that's what people are banking on, and it

1023
00:47:03,278 --> 00:47:04,558
Speaker 4: really does not that way.

1024
00:47:05,078 --> 00:47:07,558
Speaker 1: It's the one time of year besides the postseason when

1025
00:47:07,558 --> 00:47:11,718
Speaker 1: baseball becomes extremely urgent, the last week before the trade deadline.

1026
00:47:11,838 --> 00:47:15,038
Speaker 1: Everybody's on the clock right now, and to me, no

1027
00:47:15,158 --> 00:47:17,798
Speaker 1: team on the clock more than the New York Yankees.

1028
00:47:17,998 --> 00:47:18,998
Speaker 2: We'll see what they do.

1029
00:47:19,238 --> 00:47:19,678
Speaker 3: Cool Man.

1030
00:47:19,758 --> 00:47:21,398
Speaker 1: Perfect, All right, Joe, We'll see you next time, and

1031
00:47:21,478 --> 00:47:22,998
Speaker 1: maybe has some trades to talk about.

1032
00:47:23,198 --> 00:47:25,518
Speaker 4: Perfect Tommy, Thanks Buddy.

1033
00:47:31,918 --> 00:47:35,118
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1034
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1035
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