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Speaker 1: This is Joe Beaver's Joe, if I might call him that. Yes, brother,

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Speaker 1: one was maybe a foot wide. But what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Was your cousin being dragged by the car? How did

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Speaker 1: the get on? My theory is that my cousin broke

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Speaker 1: out the windshield, was impartially inside the cab of that

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Speaker 1: car for a time. As the Attorney General slam down

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Speaker 1: his brakes, my cousin became dislodged from the windshield, slid

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Speaker 1: down the hood of that car and fell on the

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Speaker 1: highway and was then drug underneath that car or pushed

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Speaker 1: on in front of that car for for a period

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Speaker 1: of time, by my measurements, over seventy feet from what

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Speaker 1: takes so long to come to a stop going. Well,

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Speaker 1: we don't know that that there just the area where

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Speaker 1: he where the it happened, was just beat into a

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Speaker 1: sixty five speed limits own. He had just exited a

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Speaker 1: forty five mile dollars speed limits on I doubt two

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Speaker 1: thousand eleven Ford Taurus could accelerate in the two hundred

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Speaker 1: feet available from forty five to sixty five, So I

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Speaker 1: think that Attorney General was speeding. Another issue is that

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Speaker 1: the car has to be processed on the inside. To

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Speaker 1: doctor Katherine Maloney, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, Erie County, Emmy

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Speaker 1: and Buffalo, you just heard Nicknamic describing the whole in

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Speaker 1: the windshield on the passenger side, in the front, the

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Speaker 1: front windshield. If the body, if the victim had partially

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Speaker 1: been in that car, gone through the windshield, what forensic

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Speaker 1: evidence would you expect to see inside the AG's red Taurus. Well,

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Speaker 1: you would definitely expect to see blood and possibly at

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Speaker 1: the whel cells and those would definitely be on the

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Speaker 1: windshield where the body went through. But if you saw

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Speaker 1: them on the inside too, that could lead you to

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Speaker 1: believe that perhaps the body might have been lodged inside

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Speaker 1: the car, which would mean that perhaps it was removed

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Speaker 1: after the fact, so it might have been stuck in there.

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Speaker 1: For example, epiphilial sales, you mean skin sales, right, So

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Speaker 1: anytime you touch anything, you exchange your DNA. So anytime

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Speaker 1: I touch something I leave a little piece of myself

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Speaker 1: on what I've touched. So you'll be looking for blood, hair,

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Speaker 1: fiber evidence off of a shirt, or epiphilial sales, which

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Speaker 1: are skin cells. And if those are inside the Attorney

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Speaker 1: General's car, what would that mean to you, doctor Maloney?

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Speaker 1: Depending on their location, it could mean that the body

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Speaker 1: had traveled, would mean that the body would have had

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Speaker 1: been have to have been removed from the car as

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Speaker 1: opposed to just sort of striking the windshield and bouncing off.

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Speaker 1: It could mean the body was lodged in the windshield.

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Speaker 1: To you, Nick Nimick, do you believe the body of

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Speaker 1: your cousin was actually partially inside the age's car? You know,

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Speaker 1: I can't say for certain, Nancy. But what I can't

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Speaker 1: say for certain is that that body hit the ground

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Speaker 1: in front of that car one hundred one from what

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Speaker 1: I think is probably the impact, and either pushed along

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Speaker 1: in front of that car or underneath that car for

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Speaker 1: another seventy seventy four. To Victor Nimick, the other cousin

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Speaker 1: of Joby rejoining us today, it's my understanding that the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General says he used his flashlight at on a

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Speaker 1: cell phone to look for what he thought was a

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Speaker 1: dead or injured deer. The sheriff also made a cursory

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Speaker 1: inspection before focusing on returning Ramsburg back to Pierre. Why

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Speaker 1: does that stick in your crawl? Vole had been the

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Speaker 1: county shore for many years. Do you think you should

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Speaker 1: have conducted a better search? Yes? I do. Here's the

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Speaker 1: thing about driving in South Dakota. It's not uncommon to

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Speaker 1: hit a deer. A lot of if you live in

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Speaker 1: this state or any state in this area, everybody knows

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Speaker 1: someone that has hit a deer. I've hit deer before.

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Speaker 1: I've hit deer at nighttime. And the split second before

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Speaker 1: you hit the deer, you go, oh my god, that's

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Speaker 1: a deer, and you hit the brakes. And I've seen

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Speaker 1: many vehicles that have hit deer, and there's one thing

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Speaker 1: that's common amongst all of them is there's deer hair

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Speaker 1: on the car. Whether they've smashed into the windshield or not,

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Speaker 1: there's all waves deer hair on the car. And for

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Speaker 1: something to go through that windshield, if it was a deer,

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Speaker 1: the edges of the windshield would have been surrounded by

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Speaker 1: dear hair everywhere, deer hair and dear flesh and dear manure.

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Speaker 1: So that's like investigative processes for beginners to be able

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Speaker 1: to identify a dear hint. I mean, anyone that's in

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Speaker 1: law enforcement in South Dakota should be able to see

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Speaker 1: that immediately check a Listen to our friends Brad Mallory

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Speaker 1: and Angela Kanecki at Kilo Land News. Six days after

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Speaker 1: a deadly crash involving South Dakota's Attorney in General, the

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Speaker 1: Department of Public Safety spokesman says there are no updates

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Speaker 1: on the investigation. Authorities from three states are looking at

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Speaker 1: as the Saturday night crash near Highmore. If they determined

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Speaker 1: Jason Roundsberg didn't thing illegal, the spokesman says the High

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Speaker 1: County States Attorney would be the one to file the charges.

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Speaker 1: Rounsberg has made national headlines after claiming to hit a

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Speaker 1: deer with his car and then discovering he killed a

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Speaker 1: man the next morning. Governor Christianome has said that the

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Speaker 1: state could expect an extra level of transparency and accountability

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Speaker 1: in this case. The spokesman says investigations like these take time,

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Speaker 1: and there is no word on when the public will

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Speaker 1: get an updates. Interesting to Sierra Gillespie, Crime online dot

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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. Has there been an update? I actually

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Speaker 1: did and see No, there has not been an update

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Speaker 1: at all since we first did this story about a

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Speaker 1: month ago. I did some more research and looked into things,

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Speaker 1: and there's nothing. Basically, all we hear from investigators is

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Speaker 1: that this is a linky process. We want to make

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Speaker 1: sure that we're doing it correctly. We want to dot

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Speaker 1: all our eyes and crash our cheese and make sure

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Speaker 1: we're getting everything done. But what we you know, is

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Speaker 1: that they have enlisted outside of state investigators to come

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Speaker 1: and help, so there's no conflict of interest. So they

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Speaker 1: saw so I believe it's North Dakota investigators who are

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Speaker 1: helping with this investigation. Just everything shrouded in mystery is

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Speaker 1: a concern for me. He just heard the government stating

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Speaker 1: that there was going to be transparency, but when Beaver's

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Speaker 1: cousin shows up to take a picture of the age's

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Speaker 1: wrecked car, he's told he couldn't, And then finally, after

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Speaker 1: waiting over an hour, left left. An anonymous picture was

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Speaker 1: then taken that clearly shows the Attorney General Jason Ramsburg's

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Speaker 1: car crashed in the windshell crashed in that is on

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Speaker 1: the front passenger side. Is their blood, hair, fiber, skin

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Speaker 1: evidence of the victim inside the age's car, because if

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Speaker 1: there is, there is no way in h double l

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Speaker 1: he did not know he hit a man to Victor

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Speaker 1: Nimick call to identify his cousin's body. How is mister

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Speaker 1: Beaver's wife at this point, Well, she's I mean, she

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Speaker 1: lost her husband, she's broken up, just trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out how to get through life right now. I mean,

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00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: that's I guess that's about all we can savor her.

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Speaker 1: She's just as mad as and angry as all of

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Speaker 1: us about not being able to get any information. This

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Speaker 1: state has covered up scandals many times in the past,

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Speaker 1: and this is I believe for the officials in the state,

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Speaker 1: it's just another scandal that they have to cover up.

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Speaker 1: And I believe right now they're just trying to wait

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Speaker 1: it out. If they wait long enough before releasing evidence,

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Speaker 1: then do they really think we're going to forget it?

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Speaker 1: Do they really think that? Well, when it's a state

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Speaker 1: that's been run by the same political party for decade

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Speaker 1: upon decade upon decade, it just I mean, that's what happens.

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Speaker 1: It's the good old boy network. Well, guess what not

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00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: everybody's part of the good old boy Network. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: did invite the ag Roundsburger to be on with us today,

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Speaker 1: but his people responded he was not commenting due to

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Speaker 1: an ongoing investigation. We wait as justice and fools Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime story signing off, goodbye friend,