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Speaker 1: Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I am Chris
Speaker 1: Harrison alongside Lauren Zema, coming to you from the home
Speaker 1: office in Austin, Texas. It is good to be back home,
Speaker 1: even though it's a little rainy and stormy down here
Speaker 1: in Central Texas. Yeah, we're Central Texas, And uh, did.
Speaker 2: You just forget where we live?
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I was trying to think where Austin
Speaker 1: was if.
Speaker 2: I'm the directionally challenged one. Not yet.
Speaker 1: Look, I grew up in North Texas, so you know,
Speaker 1: I think North Texas, Dallas, Fort Worth, and then yeah, we're.
Speaker 2: I realized living here.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: This is going to sound dumb. Texas is big.
Speaker 1: Like if if you've ever had to drive, which I have,
Speaker 1: I drove to California and or you'll drive out to
Speaker 1: the Panhandle to go to Lubbock or out there. I
Speaker 1: did some work out there back when I was a teenager.
Speaker 1: It's it's a day.
Speaker 2: Texas is like its own country.
Speaker 3: Like you've I remember because your brother lives down in
Speaker 3: South Padre where I've never been, and we talk about
Speaker 3: visiting him, and you're like well, yeah, we could drive,
Speaker 3: but you know, from some places, South Padre is like
Speaker 3: an eight hour drive and I was like an eight
Speaker 3: hour drive, and you're like, yeah, and you're in Texas
Speaker 3: the whole time.
Speaker 1: We used to drive down from Dallas to South Padre.
Speaker 1: That was like our beach, and it's a twelve hour
Speaker 1: drive from there.
Speaker 3: It's a twelve hour drive from there. You can traverse
Speaker 3: multiple states in that. I used to live in Chicago
Speaker 3: drive on school breaks to Missou University of Missouri, and.
Speaker 1: That was like a seven hour drive in the same
Speaker 1: amount of time. My guess is you could if you
Speaker 1: started on the Red River, the border of Oklahoma and Texas,
Speaker 1: and if you went twelve hours north, you could probably
Speaker 1: go through four states.
Speaker 2: Okay, well we're.
Speaker 3: Really getting I mean, you know, the traversing of Texas
Speaker 3: is very personal. But I just what's funny is you've
Speaker 3: just come back from San Diego, which was only a
Speaker 3: two hour flight. That's one thing I love about living
Speaker 3: in Austin. Everything's a two hour flight from here. So
Speaker 3: you just got home.
Speaker 1: I did. I was out there doing some great stuff
Speaker 1: with Calloway Golf. My friend's over there at Callaway who
Speaker 1: I've been working with and have supported for ten years
Speaker 1: and vice versa. So we did a little fun, little
Speaker 1: project you'll see coming up probably in a month or so,
Speaker 1: but also hit some golf balls.
Speaker 3: Well, that was the cutest part. He's going to do
Speaker 3: this thing with Calloway and you kind of buried the
Speaker 3: lead as we say. He tells me as he's about
Speaker 3: to leave to go to the airport, well, and they're
Speaker 3: going to fit me for new clubs. And I was like,
Speaker 3: babe at this point with my little sports awareness. But
Speaker 3: five years in, even I know that's a big deal
Speaker 3: and that's very exciting.
Speaker 1: It's called knowing your audience. There's just certain things I'm
Speaker 1: not going to bore you with.
Speaker 2: I'm excited for you about that.
Speaker 1: It was a good day for me.
Speaker 3: I listen, it's very different to like watch you play
Speaker 3: five holes of golf than it is for you to
Speaker 3: just tell me I'm getting fitted for new clubs. And
Speaker 3: I know you're going to love that, and I'll be
Speaker 3: very excited for you for that night.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thanks for being happy for me.
Speaker 3: Well, and I'm glad you're home because I right now
Speaker 3: I'm on five hours of sleep. I probably sound like it.
Speaker 3: I cannot sleep when you're not home. I don't know
Speaker 3: why this is now the case, because for sure, when
Speaker 3: we first moved to Austin, I was scared if you
Speaker 3: were gone. I just was like, we're in this new house,
Speaker 3: in a new neighborhood. I know, I don't have a
Speaker 3: reason to be nois Yeah. Well, and honestly, when you're
Speaker 3: a woman, typically you're kind of raised to be afraid. Frankly,
Speaker 3: I mean you're I grew up in Chicago. Chicago has
Speaker 3: very dangerous parts. You're raised to.
Speaker 2: Be afraid of all sorts of different things.
Speaker 3: And when I'm alone in this new house, I also
Speaker 3: read a study that biologically, like you know how sometimes
Speaker 3: you'll say it's so hard to sleep in a new
Speaker 3: place the first night, right, that's actually a thing for everyone.
Speaker 1: Your defense mechanism kicking out.
Speaker 3: Yes, you as a human, it's your your biology saying wait,
Speaker 3: what are potential new threats here? It's like you almost
Speaker 3: go into survival mode. You don't know the terrors of
Speaker 3: this place, but I now know the terrors of our home.
Speaker 3: I'm familiar. We've lived here for I've been here like
Speaker 3: seven eight months full time now, and for some reason
Speaker 3: I still I mean, I actually it's weird. It bothers
Speaker 3: me a little bit to say this out loud, because
Speaker 3: I consider myself a very independent person. But I have
Speaker 3: become I shouldn't feel bad saying this. In many ways,
Speaker 3: it's a good thing. I have become dependent on you.
Speaker 3: I think I just don't sleep well when you're not
Speaker 3: with me. And I was up till four in the morning,
Speaker 3: not scared, just like laying in bed trying to sleep
Speaker 3: and couldn't.
Speaker 1: I always feel bad when I wake up on the
Speaker 1: road and I'll go to Instagram and I will immediately
Speaker 1: see content from you, and I'm thinking, oh no, I'm
Speaker 1: like everyone.
Speaker 3: It's two in the morning, and I'm looking at wedding potential,
Speaker 3: wedding color palettes because I guess.
Speaker 1: I did like your take on wedding font And I
Speaker 1: don't know, You're right, very observant, even at three or
Speaker 1: four in the morning, whenever you were looking at that.
Speaker 1: Why everybody's using the same face.
Speaker 2: There's this one wedding font. I looked it up.
Speaker 3: I think it's called I might be getting this wrong
Speaker 3: ballista or something, okay, And it was making me go
Speaker 3: insert pun here ballistic.
Speaker 2: I would like, why is this wedding font the wedding fund.
Speaker 3: It's on the welcome signs, it's on the menus, and
Speaker 3: for some reason it's become the font. No shade to
Speaker 3: the fund. But we will not be using that fond.
Speaker 3: I think it's overused.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and by the way, luckily I avoided the
Speaker 1: big ground stop because I flew Southwest to go direct
Speaker 1: to out to San Diego.
Speaker 2: This was wild.
Speaker 3: They grounded. The FA grounded all Southwest airplanes as if
Speaker 3: they needed another.
Speaker 1: By the way, had to be a computer hacks. They
Speaker 1: never really came out and said, but it felt like
Speaker 1: someone hacked the system. They got it fits right, Your spidey.
Speaker 2: Sense is going up.
Speaker 3: You're thinking, right, why would the FA ground around Hire
Speaker 3: not in.
Speaker 2: A city nationwide? All Southwest?
Speaker 1: By the way, let me just give a shout out,
Speaker 1: because no one gives a shout out when things go
Speaker 1: well on time. Everybody was lovely laughed with the flight
Speaker 1: attendants had a great time.
Speaker 3: Oh good, yeah, oh good, Because I will say you
Speaker 3: you don't always love a.
Speaker 1: Southwest I don't. It's not my thing. This was just
Speaker 1: the most convenient flight and it worked perfectly. So not
Speaker 1: the biggest fan. It feels like I'm getting on a
Speaker 1: bus with a lot of people, and you know that's
Speaker 1: not my favorite thing. But in this these are both pastges.
Speaker 3: He doesn't like not having a seat. He likes to
Speaker 3: know where his seat is and get to.
Speaker 1: His sat like order.
Speaker 3: You know, really what it's about. I know it's it's
Speaker 3: that's the only thing. We've actually flown Spirit together before
Speaker 3: because we could only we had to go to this
Speaker 3: wedding in Kansas City and the only NonStop flight with Spirit.
Speaker 2: We'd really never flown it, but we flew it.
Speaker 3: And you said you liked Spirit better than the Southwest
Speaker 3: because he's an assigned seat.
Speaker 1: You've assigned me a number anyway. I'm right, you're a twelve, right,
Speaker 1: so you've already given me a number. Is it such
Speaker 1: a reach to just make that number a seat that
Speaker 1: I sit in.
Speaker 3: I don't know why that's a thing. I don't think
Speaker 3: it makes it more efficient. I would be interested to
Speaker 3: know if they're boarding times or longer they must be
Speaker 3: without people having seats.
Speaker 1: I get where it came from back in the day,
Speaker 1: and that you know, they started in Dallas and out
Speaker 1: of love Field, and it was a cheaper, more affordable
Speaker 1: airline and that that whole thing. It really was like
Speaker 1: it really was like the Greyhound of the sky.
Speaker 2: But what makes it cheaper to not have I think.
Speaker 1: There was just no premium, no nothing.
Speaker 2: Everybody I'm asking why is it? Why?
Speaker 3: What makes it more cost efficient to not have assigned seats?
Speaker 3: Nothing from either side, like why does it make your
Speaker 3: ticket cheaper?
Speaker 2: And why does it save them money out of it?
Speaker 1: But then we should be careful what we asked for.
Speaker 1: Then they're going to start selling seats and then it's
Speaker 1: the first five rows or I get.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm an idiot. It's because there isn't a first
Speaker 3: class and all that.
Speaker 1: There's no time.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I should have thought about that. But I do
Speaker 3: think what happens on a Southwest flight because of that system.
Speaker 3: I think it creates more tension from the start, because
Speaker 3: everybody is like clamoring to find their spot in line,
Speaker 3: clamoring to find a seat there. People are saving seats
Speaker 3: for people, and people are worried are they going to
Speaker 3: have overhead bin space? Are they going to get a
Speaker 3: middle It's like I do find myself.
Speaker 2: I don't mind.
Speaker 3: I just flew Southwest a few weeks ago, but it's
Speaker 3: I do find myself. I'm kind of more tense from the.
Speaker 1: Beginning and the right just getting in line today and
Speaker 1: you know people are walking up. What number you? What
Speaker 1: number are you? And it's just there's got to be
Speaker 1: there's got to be a better way. There is a
Speaker 1: better way. We figured it out. There are seats.
Speaker 3: Well, this brings us to our first dramatic headline of
Speaker 3: the week. Actually, I mean we sound like duebs, but
Speaker 3: we could talk about airline etiquette and our thoughts on
Speaker 3: air air I've.
Speaker 1: Felt the majority of the last twenty years on airplanes,
Speaker 1: so I'm well versed.
Speaker 3: On If you guys ever see I've told him before
Speaker 3: he should take to Instagram and do a how I travel.
Speaker 3: This man is the most efficient traveler.
Speaker 2: I mean, think about it.
Speaker 3: For the shows for twenty years, he's been to how
Speaker 3: many countries you've lost track of, how many countries you've
Speaker 3: been to, how many layovers, international flights, national flights, overnight flights.
Speaker 2: He is such a good, efficient traveler. It's shocked.
Speaker 1: I feel like I could be an airport employee, like
Speaker 1: airports could hire me a consultant. If you will an
Speaker 1: airport consultant, I will come in and lay It's like
Speaker 1: when someone lays out your kitchen for you. You want
Speaker 1: that perfect triangle, and this is there. I could do
Speaker 1: that at airports. I could make him so efficient.
Speaker 3: And you've probably seen, Actually I've never asked you this.
Speaker 3: You've probably seen a lot on planes. What is one
Speaker 3: of the weirder or most trouble causing incidents you've ever
Speaker 3: seen on a plane?
Speaker 1: Well, the scariest and weirdest was when we were in
Speaker 1: China and we were flying out and we had shot
Speaker 1: all night. Everybody was exhausted, and we finally crawled on
Speaker 1: this airplane. It was one of those double decker airplanes.
Speaker 1: We're leaving the country, and so we somehow we kind
Speaker 1: of had the whole top deck. It was all bachelor people,
Speaker 1: producers and a lot of people popped ambiens, and everybody
Speaker 1: was just ready to crouch.
Speaker 2: They're exhausted, they're exhaust you've been filming. They just wanted
Speaker 2: to sleep.
Speaker 1: We finally got in, we took off. Everybody lays their
Speaker 1: seat back, everybody's asleep. I wake up what everybody's I
Speaker 1: felt like? Days later, I wake up and I kind
Speaker 1: of look out the window and I see trees and
Speaker 1: it just jars me awake. It just quickly one in
Speaker 1: one didn't equal to and I'm like, why am I
Speaker 1: seeing trees out the window? We've been flying for quite
Speaker 1: some time. And I hear the person in the loud
Speaker 1: speaker talking the flight attendant at the pilot, whoever it is.
Speaker 1: We are returning back to the airport. Something's wrong with
Speaker 1: the landing gear. It was just all of it was
Speaker 1: so weird. Long story short, we had to get off
Speaker 1: the plane. We land it was this abrupt I don't.
Speaker 2: Want to hear that something's wrong with the landing gear.
Speaker 1: It was like we're going to do a fly by.
Speaker 1: I thought maybe it was a bomb scare because it
Speaker 1: was just really sketchy the way they were doing it
Speaker 1: and the way he kind of threw it down on
Speaker 1: the runway. And we had to carry, literally carry people
Speaker 1: off the plane because everyone was kind of drugged up
Speaker 1: and half ambient stoned, and we were like carrying people,
Speaker 1: pouring them into the.
Speaker 2: Loud Ambient had been kicking it. Oh yeah, you're like,
Speaker 2: I'll put my arm around you, I'll carry.
Speaker 1: And everybody was pretty I again, pro tip, don't pop
Speaker 1: an ambien when you're sitting there on the runway. Make
Speaker 1: sure you're in the air.
Speaker 3: You guys, look at the tips. Make sure you're well
Speaker 3: into the air before you take the sleeping pill.
Speaker 1: And so everybody was smart and they did that, but
Speaker 1: we still turned around.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Well, truly, I really do think you should take to
Speaker 3: the gram and reveal some of your tips. But this
Speaker 3: gets us to so our first dramatic headline of the week.
Speaker 3: We actually have two airplane stories. The umbrella drama is
Speaker 3: drama on airplanes, which I mean, sure, I feel like
Speaker 3: we see it all the time, but this one made
Speaker 3: headlines like I was seeing it all over. I'm just
Speaker 3: calling it baby popcorn. And basically what happened is this
Speaker 3: United flight, they're passing out popcorn. I've noticed the airlines
Speaker 3: they're getting away from peanuts. Don't know why they didn't
Speaker 3: do it sooner.
Speaker 2: People have severe.
Speaker 3: Pena analogies, but I guess they're passing out popcorn. And
Speaker 3: this pregnant mom is on the flight with her two
Speaker 3: little kids and her baby through the popcorn everywhere or.
Speaker 2: Spilled it whatever.
Speaker 3: And allegedly, according to the pregnant woman's family, the flight
Speaker 3: attendant said to her, the captain says, you need to
Speaker 3: pick up every single piece of this popcorn, like made
Speaker 3: her get.
Speaker 2: Down and pick it up.
Speaker 3: And the woman's pregnant and she's embarrassed and she's like
Speaker 3: crying on her hands and knees picking up this popcorn.
Speaker 3: Now it becomes a very serious incident because her husband
Speaker 3: is a pro baseball player. His sister is Jesse James
Speaker 3: Decker country singer. So it's now it's got celebrity spotlight
Speaker 3: on it, this story, and the husband went on Twitter
Speaker 3: like slams United, says how could.
Speaker 2: You do this? But then he got a lot.
Speaker 3: Of backlash because people are saying, dude, do you hear yourself?
Speaker 2: You sound so privileged right now.
Speaker 3: Like these are your kids, you should you should clean
Speaker 3: up after them, right, So the question becomes.
Speaker 1: These are these are not like housekeepers? Well, I f
Speaker 1: flight attendants.
Speaker 3: But it's interesting because some people seem to think that
Speaker 3: it is the flight attendant or the airline cruise job
Speaker 3: to clean up, Like I'm paying to be here and
Speaker 3: you should clean up. And a lot of people are
Speaker 3: pointing out the detail of United provided the popcorn.
Speaker 2: We didn't bring these MESSI snacks on well, but where
Speaker 2: do you fall on this?
Speaker 3: As a seasoned longtime traveler well, and as a dad
Speaker 3: is traveler.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, let me just back this
Speaker 1: into being ad. And I see sometimes people will leave restaurants, airplanes,
Speaker 1: what have you, and it looks like World War three
Speaker 1: took place.
Speaker 3: I thought of restaurants too, like when they leave and
Speaker 3: the high chair. You walk in and you almost see
Speaker 3: the carnage. A high chair is still sitting there and
Speaker 3: you see all the food around it on the floor,
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, something bad.
Speaker 1: My theory is, I'm probably not going to leave it
Speaker 1: cleaner than I found it, or even as clean, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a really good job. If my
Speaker 1: kids destroyed popcorn and threw it everywhere, first of all,
Speaker 1: I stopped the act and progress. And second of all,
Speaker 1: I would clean up. If I knew my kids dumped
Speaker 1: a bunch of anything on the floor, I'm going to
Speaker 1: clean that up. I'm also self conscious like that, but
Speaker 1: I would have done that at a restaurant as well.
Speaker 1: If my kids tore apart a pancake and threw it
Speaker 1: all over the place, no, I'm not just going to
Speaker 1: leave that.
Speaker 3: I feel the same like I've opened snacks and spilled
Speaker 3: on airplanes before. I always try to pick up everything
Speaker 3: I can see easy. They're not giving us a lot
Speaker 3: of leg room on the planes these days, but I'm
Speaker 3: reaching down into the seat. And by the way, they're
Speaker 3: not cleaning that great down there anyway.
Speaker 1: But if kids leave little crumbs or whatever, that's not
Speaker 1: that's not crazy.
Speaker 3: No, it's not crazy. And look, we all know supposedly
Speaker 3: a cru is going to come in and clean up.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, I definitely would have made the
Speaker 3: effort to clean up. But I also think I think
Speaker 3: both sides are a little off here in that if
Speaker 3: the flight attendant was wording things like that to her, well,
Speaker 3: then you're just like, you're being kind of harsh to
Speaker 3: a pregnant woman who's alone with her two kids, like
Speaker 3: read the room a little bit, and I sort of
Speaker 3: I don't know, It's just I think there was a
Speaker 3: missed opportunity for human moments across all sides here. One,
Speaker 3: everybody should try to clean up after themselves and their family.
Speaker 3: But two, when a woman's pregnant and traveling alone with
Speaker 3: two kids, can everybody pitch in and help out a
Speaker 3: little bit? Like if I was a fellow passenger, I
Speaker 3: probably would have said, hey, can I help you clean
Speaker 3: that up a little bit? You don't.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering what happened?
Speaker 3: Were people stepping over this crying, pregnant woman as they
Speaker 3: walked off the plane.
Speaker 1: And I wonder too, if she says no and leaves,
Speaker 1: what are they gonna do? I mean, is Sky Marshall
Speaker 1: going to arrest her for not cleaning up popcorn? I mean,
Speaker 1: what are they gonna do?
Speaker 3: I also think, to be honest, I don't think this
Speaker 3: ever needed to go to Twitter, Like, come on, dude,
Speaker 3: we did not need to take it to Twitter.
Speaker 2: Then you got backlash for it.
Speaker 3: It's creating a whole firestorm unless you're trying to make
Speaker 3: the headlines. But I don't think you need I think
Speaker 3: that was a fiery moment where you should have said,
Speaker 3: put the phone down, do not tweet to.
Speaker 1: Put this in his terms, that was a swing and
Speaker 1: a miss.
Speaker 2: Oh god, did he actually tweet that? Are you making
Speaker 2: a sports joke?
Speaker 1: That's a sports joke. He's a baseball guy. That was
Speaker 1: the dad joke of the day.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, we don't need to start that segment.
Speaker 3: I love you so much, Okay, gonna button us up
Speaker 3: with There is one more little airplane drama incident. Actually
Speaker 3: this sweet because I wanted to get your take on
Speaker 3: something else. You know, we all we tended. There's like
Speaker 3: a viral video of somebody freaking out on a plane
Speaker 3: every other but I think it's slowed down since the pandemic.
Speaker 3: Luckily people were really on edge there. But this man
Speaker 3: is on a flight might have been Southwest. The seats
Speaker 3: did look blue. I'm not for sure though, And he
Speaker 3: gets recorded by another passenger. He is screaming about a
Speaker 3: baby screaming. Apparently a baby's been crying for forty minutes,
Speaker 3: he says. And this guy is like, you telling the
Speaker 3: flight attendants, you need to tell those parents to get
Speaker 3: that baby to be quiet. We are in a tin can.
Speaker 3: It is an echo chamber. You know that baby needs
Speaker 3: to be quiet. I can't stand this. I hear it
Speaker 3: through my headphones and he's yelling. And then he did
Speaker 3: the thing which is like why do people ever do this?
Speaker 3: I guess it got to the point they asked him
Speaker 3: to get off the plane. He wouldn't get off the plane.
Speaker 3: The whole plane has to d plane.
Speaker 2: Oh God, that breaks my soul when people do that.
Speaker 1: Special place in jail for people like that, just take
Speaker 1: him straight to jail. I mean, to ruin everybody else's day.
Speaker 3: How do you not see that everyone is looking at
Speaker 3: you like, dude, seriously, you're the problem, and.
Speaker 2: Just get off the plane. How can you feel about that?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Deckris Hair, just say that.
Speaker 1: It's just so. I mean, that stuff drives me crazy,
Speaker 1: these selfishness of that. But I'm also again, I go
Speaker 1: right to the parent, and having been in those moments
Speaker 1: where especially Joshua, for some reason, my son he just knew,
Speaker 1: he knew when they closed the doors and we took
Speaker 1: off and he would just start screaming and just he
Speaker 1: was very difficult on airplanes. And inevitably you have someone
Speaker 1: going on a date, on a honeymoon, on a trip, whatever,
Speaker 1: and they look at you or they'll say something like,
Speaker 1: do you think I want a screaming, psychotic baby in
Speaker 1: my arms right now?
Speaker 2: As the parent?
Speaker 1: Do you think I'm instigating this? Do you think I'm
Speaker 1: enjoying this? I'm not happy either, but I can't fix this.
Speaker 1: So I just I give parents all the grace in
Speaker 1: the world when they are dealing with kids.
Speaker 2: You've actually made me softer to this. I used to be.
Speaker 3: I mean, I would never in my life say something
Speaker 3: to a parent about their kid like and I I
Speaker 3: of course would never freak out the way this man was.
Speaker 3: But I used to kind of be like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: can't they like like are they even trying? And I
Speaker 3: remember you told me they're trying, Like, I promise you
Speaker 3: this parent is trying.
Speaker 1: I used to have to take Joshua to the bathroom.
Speaker 1: I would lock us in the bathroom, little airplane bathroom. Yes,
Speaker 1: for like fifteen or twenty he would just screaming. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't his ears. He would just he would start
Speaker 1: throwing these tantrums. Again. He just knew how to push
Speaker 1: my buttons. And it was just it tests every ounce
Speaker 1: of your patients. And so the last thing you need
Speaker 1: is for some you know, jack hole behind you to
Speaker 1: tell you, hey, can you quiet your baby down?
Speaker 3: I look, it's I mean, that's the answer, right, You can't.
Speaker 3: I mean, And I think the guy kind of made
Speaker 3: the comparison of like if I was screaming, people would
Speaker 3: tell me, well, of course, like you're an adult and
Speaker 3: you can be quiet, like.
Speaker 2: If two people.
Speaker 3: And by the way, there have been times when I,
Speaker 3: again I haven't said anything. But like if two people,
Speaker 3: if it's like an early morning flight and two people
Speaker 3: have decided they're gonna chat full volume and like have
Speaker 3: a conversation because they're awake, read the room. Ever, everybody
Speaker 3: else read the plane. Everyone else is asleep on this plane,
Speaker 3: don't you hear You're the only ones talking.
Speaker 1: We had a sweeter moment a version of all this today.
Speaker 1: So there was this lovely family in front of me,
Speaker 1: and they had a baby, and to keep the baby happy,
Speaker 1: they would kind of lift it up, and so the
Speaker 1: baby could see obviously to my row and was facing us,
Speaker 1: and I was sitting with three guys that the plane
Speaker 1: was full. And so there was this kind of younger
Speaker 1: guy sitting next to me and an older gentleman sitting
Speaker 1: you know, in the aisle, and I'm on the window,
Speaker 1: and the baby kind of looks at me, and I,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of make goo googoo face and trying
Speaker 1: to make the baby smile. And then I noticed the
Speaker 1: baby kind of looks at the guy next to me.
Speaker 1: He does the same thing. We didn't know each other
Speaker 1: were doing this. I just caught it out of the
Speaker 1: corner of my eye. And then the old guy on
Speaker 1: the aisle did the same thing. It was the three
Speaker 1: of us were all like making baby, We were all
Speaker 1: like making funny faces at this kid. I was like,
Speaker 1: man if I would have loved to have caught that
Speaker 1: on video, because we all just looked like a bunch
Speaker 1: of idiots like trying to like make this baby laugh.
Speaker 1: But it was kind of cute.
Speaker 3: Well, of course it's cute, because that's the great thing
Speaker 3: about babies too. They can, I mean, they can elicit
Speaker 3: all the instant emotions, instant frustration, instant joy. But airplanes,
Speaker 3: I mean, and airlines, airports, it always fascinates me because
Speaker 3: you can get people at their worst, you can also
Speaker 3: get people at their best. And I love a moment
Speaker 3: like that where the three of you were like already
Speaker 3: and willing to kind of help these parents and music.
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer of we are a unit. If
Speaker 1: you're on this plane, we are We're a team. We
Speaker 1: are a team. Let's get through this together, survival. I
Speaker 1: will help you, you help me. You need headphones, what
Speaker 1: you need to wipe, whatever it is. Let's take care
Speaker 1: of each other. And I think if we all have
Speaker 1: that team attitude, help people put their bags up, help
Speaker 1: people By the way, if someone's sitting in row five
Speaker 1: and their bag is in row ten, ghet them their bag.
Speaker 1: Pass it up, Yeah, pass it up, Pass it forward.
Speaker 1: That be a part of a team.
Speaker 3: You're right, because I always think we're all in the
Speaker 3: same boat here. It's like when somebody starts freaking out
Speaker 3: because the plane's delayed. I'm like, you know, we're all here.
Speaker 3: We're all here together, man, we all got to figure
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: Speaking of all being together, you and I obviously doing
Speaker 1: this show together. It is sometimes frowned upon. Some people say,
Speaker 1: don't ever work with your spouse. Don't ever work with
Speaker 1: your significant other. You're crazy to do so it's never
Speaker 1: going to work. Well. Two very interesting topics this week
Speaker 1: that have to do with spouses hosting shows. First of all,
Speaker 1: Love is Blind Nick Lache Vanessla Shea And the now
Speaker 1: Kelly and Mark show was Kelly and Ryan. They did
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh it's Kelly Mark, Wow, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Marcus live with Kelly. All right, market, it's.
Speaker 1: Live with Kelly and Mark. They have the coffee mugs
Speaker 1: to prove it. Now.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's why it sounds different to me because he's
Speaker 3: a one syllable name. It's like Kelly and Regis, Kelly
Speaker 3: and Ryan Kelly and Michael Kelly and Mark and.
Speaker 1: Then there's reg Regis who is Regis and he and
Speaker 1: he co hosted with his wife from time to time.
Speaker 1: But the reason I bring this up is both shows
Speaker 1: critically had a bumpy road this week.
Speaker 3: I have mixed I have a lot of mixed thoughts
Speaker 3: on all of it. Well, you and I were talking
Speaker 3: about this cause we're kind of like wet We.
Speaker 1: Start with Love is Blind. Obviously much was made of
Speaker 1: Netflix not being able to go live with the Love
Speaker 1: is Blind reunion, leaving you know, Vanessa and Nick kind
Speaker 1: of having to figure this thing out, and it was
Speaker 1: probably not probably it had to have been a crazy
Speaker 1: night to be there on set.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, I will admit I was a little
Speaker 3: shocked Netflix couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to forget.
Speaker 3: There were a lot of funny tweets out there and
Speaker 3: it's kind of like, look, we've been doing live TV
Speaker 3: for how long? And how did you not get it live?
Speaker 3: But I also don't think in the end it really
Speaker 3: mattered for them. I think that you know, they still
Speaker 3: said they had something. I think they they rarely released
Speaker 3: the numbers, but I probably in this case they wanted to,
Speaker 3: and they said, like six and a half million.
Speaker 1: People want I said the day after, I say, it's not.
Speaker 1: This is not going to hurt Netflix. It's not going
Speaker 1: to hurt Love is Blind at all. No.
Speaker 3: In fact, I mean I don't know you could argue
Speaker 3: no press is bad press, like exactly. It got people
Speaker 3: talking about the Love is Blind reunion that they were
Speaker 3: supposed to get it live and they couldn't. I agree,
Speaker 3: But so it seems like what happened is that they
Speaker 3: just taped it and didn't edit it anyway, like almost
Speaker 3: probably at that point, they're tired, they've been filming all
Speaker 3: they've been trying to get this tech bug fixed all night,
Speaker 3: and they ended up just filming it and getting it
Speaker 3: up as quickly as they as possible the next morning.
Speaker 3: So they almost did kind of a live to tape
Speaker 3: without any editing or cutting much out. It seems I
Speaker 3: don't know that for sure, but so Vanessa Leche particularly,
Speaker 3: but both Nick and Vanessa have been trending on Twitter
Speaker 3: the subject of headlines about fans coming for their hosting
Speaker 3: skills and critiquing their hosting.
Speaker 2: And I have mixed feelings about this because look.
Speaker 3: On the one hand, I can't imagine how tired and
Speaker 3: frustrated they were at that point when they've finally.
Speaker 2: Started this thing.
Speaker 3: And also, I, you know, you and I both know
Speaker 3: what it's like to have somebody come like people coming
Speaker 3: for you, and how so I feel bad for them
Speaker 3: in that because it's not it's never great when it
Speaker 3: feels like the whole world is coming for you and
Speaker 3: critiquing you.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I've seen some clips and
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I look, I learned in journalism school you are not
Speaker 3: the story. You ask other people the questions, and you
Speaker 3: are not part of the story. And it seems like
Speaker 3: an issue people have as they feel like Vanessa was
Speaker 3: injecting a lot of her own opinion into it.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: On the one hand, I I see the criticism, but
Speaker 3: I also feel bad for them because they were like
Speaker 3: caught in a mess of a situation.
Speaker 1: I always, you know, kind of insert myself into the Okay,
Speaker 1: what would I feel? And there's an interesting dynamic and
Speaker 1: this is this is interesting for both Kelly and Mark
Speaker 1: and suelos now and also for Nick and Vanessa. When
Speaker 1: you are hosting as a couple you are. It's not
Speaker 1: just a co host. This is your wife, this is
Speaker 1: your significant other. So you're also judging them. You're judging
Speaker 1: their body language, You're judging their dynamic. Are they touching
Speaker 1: each other? Are they not? Like what kind of look
Speaker 1: does Nick have on his face when Vanessa's talking and
Speaker 1: vice versa. It's I got distracted because I'm thinking, what's
Speaker 1: his thought bubble right now? What's he I'm thinking about them,
Speaker 1: less about what's going on in Love is blind and
Speaker 1: this carried over in Kelly and Mark as well, and
Speaker 1: that's something that they're going to have to figure out
Speaker 1: because while it's kind of fun and cute to have
Speaker 1: your husband as the co host, and they've look they've
Speaker 1: they've co hosted together before, but this is different. This
Speaker 1: is a job now that the show is now called
Speaker 1: Kelly and Mark, So you got to figure out how
Speaker 1: you're on equal footing. Because before, when Mark would fill
Speaker 1: in as guest host, it was fun. It's like, oh
Speaker 1: my husband Mark is here today, but it's Kelly's show.
Speaker 1: Kelly was the host. Mark was filling in, and I've
Speaker 1: I filled in it Regis and Kelly and Kelly and
Speaker 1: Ryan and I've hosted with Kelly several times, and when
Speaker 1: I went in with her, it was all deference towards her.
Speaker 1: This is her baby. I did my part as a
Speaker 1: co host, but at the end of the day, I
Speaker 1: realized it was her show and I'm going to do
Speaker 1: whatever I can to support her in the right.
Speaker 3: As a guest host, you're not an equal. You're there
Speaker 3: to you're the guest star. You're there to support the vibe,
Speaker 3: but you don't know the vibe. Intimately, it's not your show.
Speaker 1: And it's important that eventually they find that footing. And
Speaker 1: again I give them a lot of grace day one,
Speaker 1: Week one, they're not going to find that and even
Speaker 1: though they've worked together before, it's going to take weeks.
Speaker 1: It might take months for them to find that equal
Speaker 1: footing where Mark feels like this is my show too,
Speaker 1: it's not just Kelly's show that she brought me into,
Speaker 1: because it can't be that all the time. They got
Speaker 1: to get to that point where they are co hosts.
Speaker 3: It's also very different to suddenly be doing something together
Speaker 3: every day, like you know, you might, I don't. They're
Speaker 3: going to have to find that content balance. How much
Speaker 3: do they talk about their personal life from home versus
Speaker 3: not like, will it become too much because now it's
Speaker 3: both of them relatable. Yeah, well it used to be
Speaker 3: Ryan would bring in his life, Kelly bring in hers.
Speaker 3: Now you're just bringing in one life. They're sharing the
Speaker 3: same life, you know. So it could bring a cool
Speaker 3: dynamic of of their romance and relationship, but they've got
Speaker 3: to figure it all out.
Speaker 2: I did not agree.
Speaker 3: There were like some headlines from the New York posts
Speaker 3: like fans rip Kelly and Mark, and then I go
Speaker 3: read the article and I hate this.
Speaker 2: It's it's just we dealt with this.
Speaker 3: It's clickbait, and it annoys me, not just because you
Speaker 3: and I dealt with this, but because again and look,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to sit here and say I've been
Speaker 3: perfect in every ethical way as a journalist. It's there's
Speaker 3: a lot of personal experience in a journalism. It's it's
Speaker 3: a very personal job, so you can't be perfect. But
Speaker 3: we were, you know, taught to tell both sides of
Speaker 3: the story. We were taught to bring real evidence and
Speaker 3: sourcing to reporting. What happens today is two tweets are
Speaker 3: pulled and it's like Kelly and Ryan, Kelly and Mark
Speaker 3: get critiqued about the new show, Right, why are these
Speaker 3: two tweets from these random people who for all you
Speaker 3: know are bots, for all you know, are the same
Speaker 3: two people and it's a nobody regardless, That to me
Speaker 3: is not headline deserving. And I thought that was just
Speaker 3: searching for headline.
Speaker 1: You easily could have found five tweets that said the opposite, right,
Speaker 1: And the same thing for Nick and Vanessa, And look,
Speaker 1: they have been hosting this for obviously a while now,
Speaker 1: but you know, Vanessa does more of the heavy lifting
Speaker 1: than Nick does.
Speaker 2: That was interesting too, because you said that.
Speaker 3: And I will say, we did not watch the entire reunion,
Speaker 3: like I'm way behind on Love Is Blind.
Speaker 2: We just watched some clips.
Speaker 3: But you did say from the clips that you were
Speaker 3: kind of feeling like you wanted to hear more from Nick.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing you have to find too, is
Speaker 3: that balance of how much you both talking, you know,
Speaker 3: And it's a little harder when you're intimate with someone,
Speaker 3: like how are you and I doing it is?
Speaker 1: By the way, it's a hard thing to do. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I thought of my situation and having if I had
Speaker 1: a co host when I hosted the Tell Alls It's
Speaker 1: hard enough for me to try and control the room,
Speaker 1: much less worry about somebody next to me and getting
Speaker 1: them involved as well. That's that's just another layer to it,
Speaker 1: and it makes it very difficult. And we never went
Speaker 1: live with our tell All specials. That's the other thing.
Speaker 1: We would heavily, heavily edit those shows. They were long days,
Speaker 1: as you know, those were long days.
Speaker 3: Of there in the press rooms. I would take Adville.
Speaker 1: Before Preventative Minico.
Speaker 3: That quote from the office where Angela, if you watch
Speaker 3: that show, is taking Adville and she goes, I'm just preparing,
Speaker 3: like that's what I would do.
Speaker 1: But look after the final rows. Those were live. But
Speaker 1: you're dealing with specific segments, small groups of people, couples,
Speaker 1: and you're kind of moving through these relationships. Whereas when
Speaker 1: you have these reunion shows, I think they had what
Speaker 1: ten people on the set we have.
Speaker 2: I know that's not easy.
Speaker 1: It's not easy, and it's not easy to make it
Speaker 1: zip and make it move. That's why editing in those
Speaker 1: situations is important, because not every interview, not every answer
Speaker 1: in question is great and so interesting that I think
Speaker 1: Netflix at that moment was probably pretty panicked of just
Speaker 1: get this live to tape, get this out. This has
Speaker 1: been a nightmare of a night, so I can only
Speaker 1: imagine how chaotic it was on the set and in
Speaker 1: that control room that night.
Speaker 3: Well, I have to teet your horn every time I
Speaker 3: see hosting that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just think you're really good at it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, by the way, And.
Speaker 3: I got a lot of messages about how great you
Speaker 3: are at it and people being like, oh, I missed
Speaker 3: him and I would have loved to see him do this,
Speaker 3: and yeah, So.
Speaker 1: Anyway, well, and I think so far our dynamic is okay.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, let's talk about it.
Speaker 3: Should we go and look, maybe we should be statistically
Speaker 3: looking at what percentage of these episodes were each talking.
Speaker 1: I think pretty even when I listen back, it sounds
Speaker 1: even you're listening.
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding, just kidding.
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out and give credit
Speaker 1: where credit's due. I am a swiftye first of all,
Speaker 1: first and foremost.
Speaker 2: Everyone, this is why we're engaged.
Speaker 1: I am a swifty. My daughter's a swifty, my fiance
Speaker 1: is a swifty. We're Taylor's sift.
Speaker 3: Yes, we just actually we got your daughter, Taylor we
Speaker 3: were able to get you guys, I was that person.
Speaker 3: We along with Taylor's mom, the three of us were
Speaker 3: on three different laptops for three hours trying to get
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift tickets and we were able to get two
Speaker 3: tickets and we gave them to her as a surprise
Speaker 3: birthday guest.
Speaker 1: Years ago, my daughter Taylor, we were at at a concert,
Speaker 1: at a Taylor Swift concert, and.
Speaker 2: We're so confusing a Tayloring.
Speaker 1: We had the privilege of going backstage and Taylor Swift's
Speaker 1: mom gave us a tour. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that oppressed me the most is that this is a
Speaker 1: real family run, Taylor Swift run business. This woman handles
Speaker 1: her own business. Nothing has left a chance. She sets
Speaker 1: up the show, choreographs the show, sets up the design,
Speaker 1: sets up her wardrobe. I think is versace by the
Speaker 1: way this go and handles everything from top to bottom
Speaker 1: in her life and to me, so impressive. When Scooter
Speaker 1: Braun did the deal when bought her catalog, she went
Speaker 1: and said, no, no, no, no, We recorded every song so
Speaker 1: she could own her own stuff. So not only is
Speaker 1: she just the queen of music and the queen of
Speaker 1: pop and all that stuff. She's just a badass business
Speaker 1: woman and I'm just brilliant. So I want to give
Speaker 1: a shout out because this was an amazing story. And
Speaker 1: I talked a little bit about this, and I know
Speaker 1: it's a little it gets into the business world. But
Speaker 1: this FTX debacle where this Sam Bateman freed and this
Speaker 1: FTX deal, this crypto exchange that went bankrupt, and it
Speaker 1: was really corrupt, really a big disaster, and a lot
Speaker 1: of celebrities like Tom Brady, like Steph Curry got check.
Speaker 1: I think Shaquille O'Neil was involved in this, got swept
Speaker 1: up in this. They took millions upon millions of dollars
Speaker 1: in exchange for promoting and selling FTX in this company
Speaker 1: and Formula one. Well, there was one celebrity that didn't
Speaker 1: take the money, and she looked deeper, and that was
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. She was offered what is said to be
Speaker 1: at least one hundred million dollars buy FTX to do
Speaker 1: a promotional deal and there was going to be NFTs
Speaker 1: where probably they would give away concert tickets and it
Speaker 1: was this huge, huge endorsement deal. Again, a one hundred
Speaker 1: million dollar deal even for Taylor Swift that's not something
Speaker 1: to sneeze at. She turned it down because she gets
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for it. But I'm guessing her dad,
Speaker 1: he used to work for Merrill Lynch and has a
Speaker 1: smart financial mind. They look deeper into this and they
Speaker 1: realize that these were unregistered securities.
Speaker 3: Oh so this is just coming out now that she Oh,
Speaker 3: because it's like in court.
Speaker 1: And all that is a court and all these celebrities
Speaker 1: are getting swept up in this and it just came
Speaker 1: out that she was offered one hundred million dollars sponsorship deal,
Speaker 1: but she asked them, can you tell me that these
Speaker 1: are not unregistered securities? Oh?
Speaker 2: Is this an email from Taylor or something that.
Speaker 1: Is this is just a quote where this came from
Speaker 1: this article that she and her team looked further into
Speaker 1: this and didn't take the one hundred mil, whereas all
Speaker 1: of these other celebrities did and have and these other
Speaker 1: celebrities I'm talking Tom Brady and look my tinfoil had
Speaker 1: on total conspiracy theory. I still say something about Giselle
Speaker 1: and Tom had to do with this FTX thing.
Speaker 2: Oh, interest you think the breakup in some way was.
Speaker 1: About separating their money, getting their bank statements apart, I
Speaker 1: still say there's something the Mighty senses, because yeah, I
Speaker 1: just it was weird that all of that happened, his retirement,
Speaker 1: his going back, their divorce was all centered around this
Speaker 1: FTX because he's I.
Speaker 3: Mean, I'm sorry, I don't know all about it, because
Speaker 3: he's like at risk. He could have to pay money
Speaker 3: for this, he could have to.
Speaker 1: There are people going after these celebrities saying, look, you
Speaker 1: endorse this.
Speaker 2: Just regular every day people lost a lot of money
Speaker 2: on this.
Speaker 1: You don't get to just you know, I know Kim
Speaker 1: Kardashian had to pay a seven figure settlement when through
Speaker 1: a crypto deal that went wrong that she had endorsed.
Speaker 2: Well, let us give Taylor all the credit. She asks
Speaker 2: the important questions.
Speaker 1: So if you ever had any doubt of what a
Speaker 1: just badass business woman Taylor Swift is, why she is
Speaker 1: the queen.
Speaker 2: No reason to doubt. But now here's even more reason
Speaker 2: to believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I was a swiftye I don't know
Speaker 1: how you move up on that, but now you know
Speaker 1: what I love.
Speaker 3: Well, now you're swifty even in the business world. The
Speaker 3: business you're like, okay, now even in the crypto world,
Speaker 3: specifically that is interesting about Well, first of.
Speaker 2: All, I love that. I love that Taylor asked those questions.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is why she is as incredibly successful
Speaker 3: as she is, because not only is she had talented,
Speaker 3: beyond talented singer, songwriter, but she is someone who cultivates
Speaker 3: a brand, a business, all these things.
Speaker 2: But it's it makes me wonder, Okay.
Speaker 3: I would think Tom Brady's got to have some pretty
Speaker 3: good people, some pretty good financial guys. How did his
Speaker 3: people or how did Shack's people, or how did these
Speaker 3: other people's people not ask the questions that Taylor Swift
Speaker 3: and her team or askers.
Speaker 1: And Shack's done better in business than any athlete probably
Speaker 1: in the history of sport.
Speaker 2: So why were we not asking these questions?
Speaker 1: They took the money. They took the money.
Speaker 3: Look, well, sometimes it's easy to get I mean, this
Speaker 3: is how people fall victim to schemes, right because you
Speaker 3: think you don't suspect this person's lying to me, You
Speaker 3: don't suspect, oh, this whole company that's incredibly successful.
Speaker 1: Look who Bernie Madoff ripped off. Look at the inrun deal.
Speaker 1: Look at I mean Kevin Bacon, I mean, and that
Speaker 1: was just the tip of the iceberg of the celebrities
Speaker 1: that got taken. But you know, I have talked to
Speaker 1: people in the financial world, and it is scary how
Speaker 1: easy it is sometimes that these frauds get perpetrated. And
Speaker 1: who is the tech blood droplet lady, there you go.
Speaker 1: I mean, a drop of blood.
Speaker 2: Can change the world.
Speaker 1: One drop of blood, one drop.
Speaker 2: This is what happens when you change the world.
Speaker 1: Some of the some of the smartest venture capitalists got
Speaker 1: taken to the cleaners. Yeah, so it can happen. Sometimes
Speaker 1: things are too good to be true, and they are.
Speaker 3: I love that you just wanted to give it. I
Speaker 3: didn't know where you're going with that story. You're like,
Speaker 3: I just want to praise Taylor's Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just I saw this article today and I thought,
Speaker 1: good on you, Good for you and your people.
Speaker 2: I love it. Speaking of culpability and business.
Speaker 3: Had to bring up this absolutely wild story I saw earlier.
Speaker 3: This is I'm gonna read the headline because you'll see
Speaker 3: why this caught my eye. Headline is entrepreneur spending two
Speaker 3: million dollars to reverse aging left fiance after breast cancer
Speaker 3: diagnosis colon lawsuit. So I can tell that who ever
Speaker 3: wrote that was like, how the heck do I get
Speaker 3: this in a headline? And I all my blessings to
Speaker 3: the writer here because I've been there trying to fit
Speaker 3: it all on a headline. But basically, this tech entrepreneur
Speaker 3: who's apparently worth millions because he is allegedly spending millions
Speaker 3: he wants to reverse the aging process on his own body,
Speaker 3: and he's forty six, but he wants to have the
Speaker 3: body of an eighteen year old, and he's spending millions
Speaker 3: of dollars a year on a team of doctors to
Speaker 3: do this for him.
Speaker 1: Is this Tom Sandoval? This sounds like Tom Sandoval from
Speaker 1: vander Pump Rules.
Speaker 3: And I actually tell you what is sad about that
Speaker 3: is I'm looking at a picture of this guy and
Speaker 3: he doesn't look like he looks the same as Tom
Speaker 3: Sandibal kind of wanted to be like, dude, I don't
Speaker 3: just get some botox, man.
Speaker 1: I could just picture this guy. He's Jim guy, He's
Speaker 1: bro guy, He's got all that.
Speaker 3: I mean, Look, we've just clearly got issues. I don't
Speaker 3: know the guy, but I have no problem saying you're trying,
Speaker 3: You're spending millions of dollars to I don't know anyway.
Speaker 3: So he's a software guy and he is was apparently
Speaker 3: in a relationship with Tarren Southern, who is an actress,
Speaker 3: and she is now suing him because basically what she's
Speaker 3: claiming in her suit, she's suing for emotional distress and
Speaker 3: loss of finances and financial loss because she said they're
Speaker 3: in a relationship. She's living with him, he's calling her
Speaker 3: missus Southern. He's promising this life with her. He's promising
Speaker 3: he's going to take care of her. I mean, they're
Speaker 3: living together, and he wanted her to be very focused
Speaker 3: on him, including like help him create content for his
Speaker 3: brands and all that, and help him with speeches things
Speaker 3: like that. And so she is arguing that she was
Speaker 3: kind of putting her own career on hold because he's
Speaker 3: telling her, I want you to be all about what
Speaker 3: I'm doing. And then she gets diagnosed with breast cancer.
Speaker 3: She's like, you know, needs obviously financial support, and that
Speaker 3: he basically told her to leave.
Speaker 1: Kicks her out. Yeah, changes the locks kicks her out.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if he changed the locks,
Speaker 2: but that would be the sentiment here. Yes, So I
Speaker 2: was interested in.
Speaker 3: Your take on this because and I guess I'd be
Speaker 3: interested in anybody's take. The question here is you know
Speaker 3: they're not married? What is someone owed? And I think
Speaker 3: she is a very legitimate claim here. I support this.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm walking into a trap.
Speaker 2: Am I sitting?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 2: Are a man? I am a woman?
Speaker 1: Is this quicksand? I'm standing on? Remember when we thought
Speaker 1: quicksand was going to be a thing? Why were we
Speaker 1: so scared of quicksand?
Speaker 2: Thank you for wow? I feel like nostalgia just run.
Speaker 1: My childhood was all about quicksand, right.
Speaker 2: And I've never even seen it in the wild.
Speaker 1: Every show, everybody was worried about quicksand.
Speaker 3: With all the iPhones we have now, how are we
Speaker 3: not seeing more footage of quicksand on Instagram?
Speaker 2: Of cars disappearing into it?
Speaker 1: Not once?
Speaker 2: It is for frequent peril in cartoons.
Speaker 1: Yes, all the climate change, we're not hearing about quicksand.
Speaker 2: I don't even know where quicksand is? Okay except to
Speaker 2: sit here?
Speaker 1: We digress. Yes, I didn't try to change the subject there,
Speaker 1: but I did a good job of doing so. This
Speaker 1: is a slippery slope, and the only honest escape here
Speaker 1: is it really is a case by case basis. I
Speaker 1: do know because you and I have a mutual friend
Speaker 1: where we feel the same way at some point, even
Speaker 1: if you're not married, you're responsible to each other for
Speaker 1: each other. And I know other successful men that have
Speaker 1: changed people's lives and then they're just not happy, so
Speaker 1: it's over. And this person has They've changed their life
Speaker 1: financially and many other ways. So I do think there
Speaker 1: is a responsibility there. I don't know how you put
Speaker 1: a spectrum or a rule system in place on this.
Speaker 1: That's the hard part.
Speaker 2: Well, obviously it's easier if you're married.
Speaker 1: Because you can't just say, oh, well, if you've been
Speaker 1: dating for so and so years, because it's these relationships
Speaker 1: are different. Some can get very intense and you're living
Speaker 1: together and you have financially vested in the other person's
Speaker 1: business and so forth. And then there's some three year
Speaker 1: relationships where it's been casual. So not all of these
Speaker 1: things are created equal. There's apples and oranges here.
Speaker 3: I definitely think if she has evidence of, whether it's
Speaker 3: text messages or emails or other people witnessing conversations where
Speaker 3: he's telling her, look, please don't take that job. I'd
Speaker 3: like you to help me with this, and that happens
Speaker 3: in relationships.
Speaker 1: Too, right.
Speaker 2: You do a lot of free work for each other.
Speaker 3: I mean you and I do stuff like that all
Speaker 3: the time alletime, whether it's hey, what do you think of?
Speaker 3: Like can you help me with this? I mean, we
Speaker 3: film each other at things like for social media content,
Speaker 3: or we'll help each other with We've helped each other
Speaker 3: probably with speeches we've done before, things like that.
Speaker 2: All the time.
Speaker 1: I run everything by you, I really do. Yeah, you should,
Speaker 1: I should.
Speaker 2: No, we always run a ton of stuff by each other.
Speaker 1: You're a great sounding board.
Speaker 3: And so if she has evidence of that and then
Speaker 3: this guy essentially kicks her to the curb, I mean
Speaker 3: I get it. You know, if you've been putting your
Speaker 3: career on hold for somebody, I do think that you
Speaker 3: have a claim of financial.
Speaker 1: Loss, especially if he's about to hit it big and
Speaker 1: hit that payday. It's just that's why I think a
Speaker 1: case by case basis this particular case, she has a
Speaker 1: strong one. I think she does have a case.
Speaker 3: Okay, well let me pose another and look maybe I'm okay,
Speaker 3: I'll just I'm setting you in for a quick sand
Speaker 3: trap again. Yeah, what if a person didn't necessarily give
Speaker 3: up a job. But what if somebody was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, Say you're fresh out of college and maybe
Speaker 3: you start dating an older guy who's twenty eight twenty nine,
Speaker 3: and say he has a kid, and he's like, hey,
Speaker 3: I love you, I want to marry you, and you
Speaker 3: don't really go pursue anything career wise, but you're helping
Speaker 3: him take care of his kid.
Speaker 2: You're kind of becoming stepmom or something.
Speaker 1: The nanny is probably what he started dating.
Speaker 3: I mean, if he's a douchebag and say then he
Speaker 3: breaks up with you, and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I just spent five years and I never I didn't
Speaker 3: like pursue a career.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's a tough situation because you want to tell somebody, gosh,
Speaker 3: please don't fall into that trap. Like I am such
Speaker 3: a big advocate of you have to maintain your own
Speaker 3: sources the income.
Speaker 1: Then it's buyer beware. Yeah, this is all atect yourself.
Speaker 1: You got to be a strong independent man or woman
Speaker 1: in these and look, we all get fooled and we
Speaker 1: all have friends where you're screaming at him, please don't
Speaker 1: do this. You can't save people from themselves, but you
Speaker 1: also have to be responsible at some point for your
Speaker 1: own decisions.
Speaker 2: It's you know what.
Speaker 3: I honestly the kind of where I first learned that
Speaker 3: was actually with losing my dad, because I watched my mom,
Speaker 3: and my mom is had been an attorney. She had
Speaker 3: been she'd worked for different companies. My mom worked full
Speaker 3: time and put herself through law school, so she'd been
Speaker 3: an attorney she then, and I'm so grateful she did,
Speaker 3: because I she raised us so well, became a stay
Speaker 3: at home mom slash. She still, like we're saying, free
Speaker 3: work very much helped my dad with his law firm.
Speaker 3: But then when my dad died, my mom had not
Speaker 3: been in the workforce for a long time, and it
Speaker 3: was very hard for her to start in that workforce again.
Speaker 3: And so that I really watched that, and I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, I, it's hard. It's hard because especially I
Speaker 3: can't imagine how difficult it is when you have kids.
Speaker 3: But if you can maintain some source of something for yourself, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that is a good safety net to have.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Peter Pans, because this guy in this story
Speaker 1: clearly the Peter Pans syndrome. Oh my god, he's a
Speaker 1: d bag. But speaking of of Peter Pan's, our final
Speaker 1: story is Tom Sandoval.
Speaker 2: Oh, if you need reminding.
Speaker 1: Vander Bump rules of Peter Pan.
Speaker 3: The scanned of all vander Pump rules, the man who
Speaker 3: cheated on his longtime partner with their friend, her good friend.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't think anybody's ever accused this guy of
Speaker 1: being a rocket scientist, but this just further exemplifies this.
Speaker 1: They had code names in the nianach other's phones, so
Speaker 1: in his phone it said, I think Jamie, Tom and Raquel,
Speaker 1: Tom and Raquel. Yes, this has just come out. I
Speaker 1: think I believe TMZ reported the news. Not crazy, by
Speaker 1: the way, and this isn't the crazy part because a
Speaker 1: lot of people do that. A lot of people have aliases,
Speaker 1: and you know, if you're gonna have an affair or whatever,
Speaker 1: you'll put a different name.
Speaker 2: It seems very obvious, right.
Speaker 1: But the funny thing about this, and this is why
Speaker 1: it just gives you one more reason to laugh at
Speaker 1: Tom Sandoval is everybody in the cast apparently knew because
Speaker 1: Tom would call her Jamie. He would use the name
Speaker 1: out loud in front of other people. So when the
Speaker 1: name Jamie came up on the phone. It was pretty
Speaker 1: easy for everybody to put two and two together. So Tom, look,
Speaker 1: I know you're not solving the world's problems. I know
Speaker 1: you're not a mathematician, but come on, pal, the whole
Speaker 1: point of the code name is we don't use the
Speaker 1: code name in public. So he was calling her Jamie.
Speaker 2: I just saw the headline that they used code names
Speaker 2: in their phone. I didn't know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Gosh, my gosh, bless his heart.
Speaker 3: No, not bless his heart. He bless his heart in
Speaker 3: the Southern way, which really means like, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: But the reason that we laughed about this is because
Speaker 1: you and I, well when we started dating.
Speaker 3: Yes, we were laughing about this earlier because it was
Speaker 3: in such an For a different reason, I will say, Look,
Speaker 3: I don't know. It seems it's got to be a
Speaker 3: lot tougher to cheat these days because there's so much
Speaker 3: technology out there.
Speaker 2: You can get caught in so many ways.
Speaker 3: I mean, it certainly doesn't help these calling her Jamie
Speaker 3: in front of people. Oh my gosh. And I would
Speaker 3: imagine a lot of people do the code names thing
Speaker 3: if you're you save somebody else in your phone. But
Speaker 3: even that's got to be obvious if i'm someone's.
Speaker 1: And I assume everybody knows what we're talking about. So
Speaker 1: when someone calls or texts.
Speaker 2: You, you've changed their name in your.
Speaker 1: Line, so instead of Steve, the name Brian comes up,
Speaker 1: or maybe one of your girlfriend's names pops up, so
Speaker 1: nobody is suspicious of what's in your phone.
Speaker 3: Okay, see what you just said, That's actually a smarter
Speaker 3: thing to do, because I'm like, what I was about
Speaker 3: to say was what stupid is if you put in
Speaker 3: the name Jamie Tom, isn't everyone around you like, well.
Speaker 2: Who's Jamie?
Speaker 1: Why is she texting you? No? Nice?
Speaker 3: What would have been smart if you're really trying to
Speaker 3: hide this is like you take your best friend Tom
Speaker 3: Schwartz's name and say, maybe you put Raquel's name in
Speaker 3: your phone as like Tom s or something, so it's
Speaker 3: not so obvious, like duh.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Well, I mean I'm sounding very well versed.
Speaker 3: But part of the reason that we were laughing about
Speaker 3: this is because we when we first were dating, and
Speaker 3: we weren't telling anybody yet. I was so like, I
Speaker 3: just didn't I didn't want anybody to know. We've talked
Speaker 3: about this before. You're being very care private until we
Speaker 3: knew it was really serious. And so I had you
Speaker 3: saved in my phone. I think, is Katie with a C?
Speaker 3: Because I don't really know anybody else named Katie and
Speaker 3: or with a C name, And I think I knew,
Speaker 3: like if I'd see the letter C, then I would
Speaker 3: still put tune two together? Was you?
Speaker 2: But you were Katie? You were you were a Katie
Speaker 2: in my phone.
Speaker 1: I forget, and I would have been racking my brain.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I had you in my phone
Speaker 1: because I was shooting a lot at the time. I
Speaker 1: was still doing the Bachelor bacherette, and so I would
Speaker 1: always as I was about to shoot, I would have
Speaker 1: my phone. And the last thing I would do is
Speaker 1: I would hand my phone to make up artist, wardrobe,
Speaker 1: whoever was standing there, part of the team, and I
Speaker 1: would say, hey, can you take my phone? And so
Speaker 1: oftentimes these are people that have been with me for
Speaker 1: twenty years. They would say, oh, you know the kids
Speaker 1: called or so and so called while you were shooting,
Speaker 1: and so I had to give you some sort of alias.
Speaker 1: I forget what it was, but you had an alias, and.
Speaker 2: Wow, couldn't have been very good. You don't even remember.
Speaker 1: It definitely wasn't LZ.
Speaker 3: Or maybe it was so good that you've forgotten it,
Speaker 3: like that's how good you are.
Speaker 2: Code names.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it was one of my friends. I just
Speaker 1: put you in as like Chip or Wrinch or something.
Speaker 1: But sometimes the code names worked. And we did that
Speaker 1: for about six months, and then that was part of
Speaker 1: the unveiling. When we went to the party, I got
Speaker 1: to change your name. I was like LZ's in the phone.
Speaker 2: So we had a much more beautiful experience exactly.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it was a lot more like we're
Speaker 3: actually trying to preserve this sand of ball.
Speaker 1: He's just the gift that keeps on giving. Well, and
Speaker 1: did you he's sell out of the dumb tree and
Speaker 1: hit every branch on the way down.
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, did you say fell out of the
Speaker 2: dump tree? Dumb dumb tree.
Speaker 3: Oh and there's another dad joke, everybody.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can even call that a
Speaker 2: dad joke, but he fell out of the dumb tree.
Speaker 1: Fell out of the dumb tree. It hit every branch
Speaker 1: on the way down. And that is a great way
Speaker 1: to end the show. Did you have a good time?
Speaker 2: I had a great time.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad, most importantly to learn about how deep
Speaker 3: your swiftiness runs.
Speaker 2: That is wonderful.
Speaker 3: And you know, God, we didn't even get to everything,
Speaker 3: so I guess we're gonna have to do another episode
Speaker 3: pretty soon.
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