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Speaker 1: belief and the abusive power from two aliens who've actually

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Speaker 1: experienced it. I am Lola Blanc and I am Megan

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth and today's part one of our interview with Glenn Carter, actor,

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Speaker 1: musician and current leader of the UK chapter of Rallianism.

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Speaker 1: It's also known as Realism or the Ralian Movement. They

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Speaker 1: are a religious group with some unconventional beliefs about extraterrestrial life.

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Speaker 1: So he's going to tell us all about what it is,

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Speaker 1: what they believe, what it has to do with aliens

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Speaker 1: and evolution, and what he connected with when he discovered

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Speaker 1: the movement, how he came to be a regional leader,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about the founder Rail himself.

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Speaker 2: And stay tuned next week for part two, in which

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Speaker 2: we get deep into a discussion on some of the

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Speaker 2: more salacious accusations that are made of the group and

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Speaker 2: the importance of acknowledging imbalanced power dynamics.

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Speaker 1: That's right, this is super, super interesting interview. Glenna is

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Speaker 1: a super interesting guy. I feel like we weren't recording

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Speaker 1: for some of our discussions about his career, but this

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Speaker 1: guy's been a Broadway actor, been a big, big stage

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's an interesting look into the life of

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Speaker 1: a member of a group that some people say is

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Speaker 1: a cult. But before we get into all of that

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Speaker 1: nice juicy stuff, Megan, please tell me what the cultiest

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Speaker 1: thing that's happened to you this week was.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, mine's more of a realization about someone I

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Speaker 2: and you can tell me if you agree or if

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Speaker 1: It was a realization I had on mushrooms.

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Speaker 2: We spoke on here once about Kim Jong l and

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Speaker 2: the no butthole, no pooh thing that he claims he

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Speaker 1: Okay, I can't out you. How did I must have

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, it stays with me where I'm just like,

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Speaker 2: that is so crazy, and like, couldn't we just like

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Speaker 2: look it's he has a butthole, and then like his

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the butthole of Kim Jong ill?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, So I took him some mushrooms, and I

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Speaker 2: just live in a world where people have to be like,

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Speaker 2: you're right, you don't have a butthole.

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Speaker 1: And this is what the mushrooms told you yes, wow, okay,

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Speaker 1: so I also did mushrooms this week. What different experiences.

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Speaker 1: It is, although I don't think that you have to

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Speaker 2: Like a absolutely not. I never thought that he was.

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Speaker 1: I thought that, yeah, just like a narcissistic narcissist saglamaniac exactly.

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Speaker 2: you know what happens if you don't have a butthole,

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Speaker 1: Oh? Oh my god, it's been it's been an insane week.

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Speaker 2: I'm wearing shirts. It's okay.

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Speaker 2: I think mine was good enough for both of ours.

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Speaker 1: So true, Megan, So true. Could I could talk buttholes

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Speaker 1: I did mushrooms too, and I accidentally I like overestimated

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Welcome Glen Carter to the show. So

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Speaker 1: nice to have you today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so strange. It's a slightly freer existence.

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Speaker 3: and human nature to create and recreate and develop and

435
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: to modify, etc. As part of who we are. That

436
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: makes more sense to me than thinking that if I

437
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 3: put a billion chemical components in a bag, shake them

438
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: for eight hundred thousand years or one hundred and fifty

439
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 3: million years, that a dove is going to come out

440
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 3: at the end of the day. Seems a bit insane

441
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 3: to me. Also, it seems a bit crazy to me

442
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: that something exists that clicks their fingers and suddenly everything existed,

443
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: This male god that exists everywhere, all things at all time.

444
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 3: But yet he has to arrive in a fiery chariot.

445
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 3: That it just does a lot of it doesn't make

446
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: sense to me, But I do believe in human beings.

447
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: So therefore what's left is that human beings have the

448
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 3: ability to create life, and that I believe is what

449
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 3: happened here.

450
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: So you're an actor, right, or you have been an

451
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: actor and also a songwriter, So tell us about your

452
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: life before you discovered or came upon Realianism.

453
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 3: My life before I was just a jobbing actor, you know,

454
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 3: I'd done lots of theater work, a little bits of

455
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: TV work, commercials, loads of stuff, just the life of

456
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: a jobbing actor. I'd had four or five record deals

457
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: as a songwriter, just that. And then I discovered the

458
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: book in a bookshop during the rehearsals for a show

459
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 3: that I was doing, and I just read it, and

460
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: I thought that made sense, bizarrely enough, for someone who

461
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 3: was anti religion, anti not anti religion, the sense that

462
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 3: I don't think we should have a belief in a

463
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 3: system or you know, and I absolutely respect people that

464
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: do of all different faiths. I personally didn't like a

465
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 3: lot of the things that are done in the name

466
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: of religion, you know, telling somebody what they can think do,

467
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 3: what a woman can be can't be. Lots of stuff

468
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 3: like that was, you know, all the stuff in the

469
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: name of religion. That's what I despised religion for. So

470
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 3: I just carried on. I found a book that also

471
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: agreed with me that those things are bad, those things

472
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 3: are not healthy for human beings to hate, and those

473
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,959
Speaker 3: emotional complexities are best stayed away from, best guarded against.

474
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 3: Loving each other, not tolerating the differences between us, because

475
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: that implies some form of judgment. So the Really movement

476
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: doesn't advocate tolerance. It advocates the acceptance and the love

477
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 3: of the differences between us. That made sense to me

478
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: because every other religion I said, you must preach tolerance.

479
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 3: Tolerance is important, whereas I think tolerance has judgment in it.

480
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 3: In order to tolerate, I have to go first of all,

481
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: I don't like you, but I tolerate. Relian philosophy doesn't

482
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 3: have that. The Relian philosophy is a philosophy of you're

483
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: black amazing, you're white amazing, your heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, transit.

484
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 3: I love you all. You're all amazing, enrich me by

485
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 3: sharing your parts of yourself with me. I enjoy that.

486
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: I respond to that, and I will always be the

487
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 3: best version of myself I can possibly be at every moment.

488
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 3: That is what I responded to, and that's what the

489
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 3: book I read. So it was very easy for me

490
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: to say, well, that hasn't changed me at all. People

491
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: have always thought I'm a bit weird because I don't

492
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: like gossiping, I don't like bitchiness. I don't like backstabbing.

493
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 3: I like team sports. I like to work in teams

494
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: of people. And to be a principle in the theater

495
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: and to play lead roles wasn't part of my nature

496
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 3: because it required me to in some ways get out

497
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: in front of other people. And it's not part has

498
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 3: never been part of my nature that I don't crave fame,

499
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 3: I don't crave attention. It's just what I did to

500
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: make a living. We've always thought me weird like that

501
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: because when I was an understudy, and I understudied some

502
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: fantastic artists and incredible talented people, I didn't ever have

503
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: a wish or a will to push myself to go on.

504
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 3: I did understudy rehearsals. I've learned the part, and I

505
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 3: did the rehearsals and I did it the best I could.

506
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 3: But that's what I was there first. That's what I did,

507
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 3: And if I went on, I was like, oh, okay,

508
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 3: now I've got to go on and do it in

509
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 3: front of, you know, five thousand people. But I didn't

510
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 3: have an urge. I really wish you would fall over

511
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: and break his legs. So like, it's not part of

512
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: my nature. So for me discovering a book that said,

513
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: all of that stuff is mindless and stupid, and you know,

514
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 3: enjoy yourself, be yourself, love the differences amongst us be

515
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: kindness and support and love, and just made sense to me.

516
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 3: So I just carried on doing my job. And then

517
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: three or four years later, I got cast in to

518
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: play Jesus in a film, and I did that. Then

519
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 3: I went to Broadway and did it in America, and

520
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: then I was told that I shouldn't speak about being

521
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: wail And when I'm in America because everyone thinks you're weird,

522
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: and I'm like Kiah's weird, so let me be weird.

523
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: But but I honored my contract, which is of course

524
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: not saying anything and never talking about and I certainly

525
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: don't ever use my platform as actor to talk about

526
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: anything other than the job I'm doing, because that's my profession.

527
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: That's that's what I is it right, So for me,

528
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: I just carried on doing my gig. And I've always

529
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: carried on doing my gig. And then something like six

530
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 3: or eight years later, I worked on an actress was

531
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: doing a live interview and she says he believes in aliens.

532
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: He believes all that aliens created this. And then then

533
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: I was suddenly the person who business. But it's not

534
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: something that no one noticed changing me because I joined

535
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: this movement. Now you know, Glenn's got weird. I worked

536
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: for Lloyd Webber after a dozen times, I worked for

537
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: Camerarackt Actually a dozen times. I worked for producers over

538
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: and over and over again because I'm not weird. Then

539
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, because now I'm in this,

540
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: this this movement of people perceive it. They thought it

541
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: happened last week, right as all of a sudden happened

542
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: last week, whereas it happened years before. So nothing changed.

543
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: You were sort of ostracized after it was made public

544
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: that you were in the movement.

545
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: To a degree, yeah, because people love what I don't like,

546
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: which is gossip and bitchiness, and that is a part

547
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: of life. It's part of the competition between people. It's

548
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: just not a competition that I subscribe to. You know,

549
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 3: if I work with someone who is a brilliant singer,

550
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: best singer than me, better looking than I ever ever

551
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: was when I was young and possibly vaguely good looking,

552
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: and someone who's talented, I want to help them. That's

553
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 3: my nature is to go. Can I write some songs

554
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: and submitment to you. Can I you know, maybe maybe

555
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: because I think your voice is incredible. You can do?

556
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 3: Can I help? Can I do? Maybe? Use them? Don't

557
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 3: use them, but I'd love That's my nature. It's not

558
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: to go I'm going to beat him. I'm going to

559
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: did it. It's not my nature. That's a nature that

560
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: I've worked around and dealt with all my career that

561
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: I enjoy staying very very far away.

562
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: From whenever I So let's go back to the book.

563
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: So you find this book, which I mean, that's pretty amazing.

564
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't hear that story very often

565
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: where someone finds their belief system just from randomly stumbling

566
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: on a book that usually there's another person involved. It

567
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: is like, how did you then go from reading a

568
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: book in a library to like being the president of

569
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: the UK chapter or whatever.

570
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: I found a book in a bookshop just because I

571
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: was in rehearsals. And if you work in the theater,

572
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: you understand what technical rehearsals are where you stand around

573
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 3: and you're lit and you suddenly do a scene to

574
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: take six or eight hours sometimes to get through one scene,

575
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: and they do it technically to make it safe. Etc.

576
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: And we're standing around and standing around all day. So

577
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: I had the option of standing around with my arms

578
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: folded and just you know, or I could read a

579
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: book while some stood there put it in my butt

580
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: pocketing carat So I went and bought a book, literally

581
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: just walked in. Saw a book on the bookshelf that

582
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: said UFOs The Truth Explained, and I thought, you know

583
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: that I'll do for five certain this afternoon, went back,

584
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 3: started to read it and I thought, wow, this is

585
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: really interesting. And I mean I thought it was really interesting. Hmm, fascinating, fascinating, fascinating,

586
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: and that literally was it. So I just went there

587
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: and I thought, Okay, by the time I finished the book,

588
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 3: which is some people take twenty four hours and people

589
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: take twelve hours. I'm not the fastest reader in the world,

590
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: so it took me about four or five days, I think,

591
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: to get through it. And I just kept going back

592
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: and thinking, actually that I don't necessarily agree that that

593
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: makes sense with what he said there. So I went

594
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: back and checked stuff, and you know, when I started

595
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: found I was taking notes on it and saying, does

596
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: that really make sense to me? I have to live

597
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: with that for a day, And so I was reading

598
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: it like that, which I was surprised about. And then

599
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: ultimately when it came to the end, it says, if

600
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: you're interested and you want to talk to the movement more,

601
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: then write this address. So I wrote to an address.

602
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: They gave me a phone number. About six weeks later,

603
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: I phoned the phone number, which was in London, and

604
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: nobody responded to me. Four weeks and you know, they've

605
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 3: gone away on a holiday. They'd gone to a seminary.

606
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: You know, it's just a random ass machine in someone's house.

607
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: Some member of the movie, you know, when they came

608
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: back from holiday, guy called Paul. He phoned me and said,

609
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 3: we have forty two phone calls. We haven't had a

610
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: phone call in like four years, and we've had forty

611
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: two phone calls in the last seven weeks. So you're

612
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: the first one we're answering. And I said, I think

613
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: you'll find them all me And it was true. I've

614
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: got annoyed. I got annoyed with the planet. I was

615
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 3: stimulated by a book and I was writing, said I

616
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: haven't literally dead on aste. If you can't be asked

617
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: to answer your phone, don't print a number, right If

618
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: you can't be asked to do that, then then tell

619
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: you what. I'll give you a number, and anybody interested

620
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: in talking to somebody who's also interested in discussing the

621
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: roots of life on this planet. Whether I know anything

622
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: about it is irrelevant, whether I'm correct is irrelevant. But

623
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: I am stimulated by it, and I want to be

624
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: stimulated more by other people who agree something, disagree from

625
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 3: different angles because I want the stimulation. Then give me

626
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: the number. I'll run the number and can go back

627
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: to doing whatever it was you were doing before you

628
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: could be asked to answer my phone and they just saided, listen,

629
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 3: we maybe should meet. So we met in an Indian

630
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 3: restaurant in Whitechapel in Whiteley, so somewhere, and I met.

631
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: You know, there's a guy who worked for Marsus Spencers

632
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: on the checkout. There was an ex criminal actually was

633
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: the person I've spoken to who used to burgle houses

634
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: for a living till he got caught, put in prison,

635
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 3: got out and decided to turn over a new belief.

636
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 3: There was a lady from Olivia. There was that's six

637
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: or eight just people who who, like me, didn't claim

638
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: to know anything, but were stimulated by the subject matter

639
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 3: and We just sat around and we had a chat

640
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 3: and something to eat. And then I found him up

641
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: a few weeks later and said, is that it is

642
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: that all that happens? And they went, well, if you

643
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: want to, we can meet up again. Poldy, Yeah, okay,

644
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 3: why not? So we met some other different people and

645
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: it was literally that casual. It wasn't you know. I

646
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 3: almost had to badge them to let me. It was weird.

647
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: It was a weird almost indifference. It was an anti

648
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: gray as a journalist who wrote a commercial commercial publication

649
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: that I found said, the unremarkable work of the radar

650
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: movement is possibly one of the most remarkable things about

651
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: it is that it's unremarkable, like people just go, yeah,

652
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: yess great, we agree, Yes, it's fair. It's not like

653
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: people said, yeah, well me, yeah, where do you want

654
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 3: to meet? It's not it's unremarkable. It's not like people

655
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: Daniel Daniels are saying, come on, guys, get down here,

656
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: or send you a car on Tuesday, Tuesday at ten o'clock,

657
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 3: be there would be you know. It's just not like that. So, yeah,

658
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: my life changed, not at all accept it. I got

659
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: annoyed the fact that almost the indifference of people being

660
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 3: talking about the subject matter that I found so exciting.

661
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: So there isn't like like a weekly service, or is

662
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: there now like like church? Or how does it work?

663
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: Different regions organized in different ways, Like for example, in

664
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 3: the UK where I am currently in London, we have

665
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: online meetings because we're locked down. Before that, we'd rent

666
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 3: to you know, we'd nt a room and we'd meet

667
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: and we'd we'd do meditation classes and we'd discuss philosophy

668
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: and then we go to the pub you know what

669
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 3: I mean, and have a have a chat over lunch

670
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: and then go home and see in a month, you know.

671
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: And people would say, you know, can't we do something else?

672
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: Can't we meet more? Often? I'll say, yeah, we can't

673
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 3: do what's fancy doing? Well, let's let's run a meditation

674
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: plas for other people. Okay, go let's do that. So

675
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 3: we do that. Other places do, you know, do various

676
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 3: other things. It really depends on how the person within

677
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: the region that says that you are that you wanted

678
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 3: to go and find out more how that particular region organizes.

679
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 3: There is no dictatorial hand, that's not it's a very

680
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: free thinking freedom movement of people who are who are

681
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: just having fun? Really true is the truth of it?

682
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: And I know there's a big cynical and it's fantastic,

683
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: you know, to sell a story that's a big cynical

684
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: you know, sex, cult, manipulation, this, that and the other.

685
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: It's it's it's a great story, but it's just not true.

686
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: It's just not true, you know, I say, unfortunately, not unfortunately,

687
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: but unfortunately for the for those people who love that

688
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: sort of to sell that kind of story.

689
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: You know, well, I know you said like some people

690
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: in the acting community were like, you know, you kind

691
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: of got outed and it was like, well, that's too crazy.

692
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: Were any of your family or friends or anybody concerned

693
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: about it or you know, cutting you off or anything

694
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: like that.

695
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: I think for me, nobody was concerned, because everybody I

696
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: keep in my life, you know, I'm very honest. I'm

697
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 3: very open person. So I'm very honest person about how

698
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: I think and what I feel and what I've discovered.

699
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: I hidden thing from anyone anyone who's interested, said I've

700
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: just found this book. Part of me thinks this utter

701
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 3: utter bonkers nonsense, and a big part of me thinks

702
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 3: this makes incredible sense. And I just don't know which

703
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: side of the fence I fall at the moment, What

704
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: do you think? And you know, and I think I

705
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 3: went out and bought twenty six books over the next

706
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: couple I think it's twenty six or thirty six books.

707
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: And in the end I had to write the move

708
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: and say, can I have some books because half dozens

709
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: of my friends are like, going, that sounds mental. Then

710
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: and then they come back and go, this is makes

711
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: so much sense. But I don't like the fact that

712
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: one guy met an alien and believes this. That are

713
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: so it's not for me, And I go, yeah, great,

714
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: I have issues with that too, And so I ended

715
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 3: up just buying loads of books and giving away to

716
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: people who were interested in reading it. So, yes, some

717
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: people were you know, what is this? But then so

718
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: was I. I was like going, what is this? This

719
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: is oncurs is, It's farnic, it's exciting, it's interesting. There's

720
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: one thing I could not find in it was anything nasty.

721
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 3: I couldn't find anything dangerous. I couldn't find anything, unless,

722
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: of course, anybody could run away with something in the

723
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 3: sense that you know, if anything can be dangerous, you

724
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: know too much Coca cola is dangerous. Too much water

725
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 3: is dangerous. Too much anything can become dangerous if we obsess.

726
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: As long as we're not obsessive, and as long as

727
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 3: we are balanced and that people around us are also

728
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: making sure that we're balanced and okay, and it's a healthy, loving, kind,

729
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 3: nurturing environment at all times, which I insist on it

730
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: being that around me all the time. That if someone

731
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: is hostile, I will ask them why are you being hostile?

732
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: Are you upset with easy? Are you upset with something else?

733
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: Any in any aspect of my life? So I think,

734
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 3: as long as we're all loving and kind, and yes

735
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 3: it sounds so hippie in love piece and melentials, but

736
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 3: why isn't life like that everywhere all of the time.

737
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: It's only down to human beings. And I choose to

738
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: make the environment that I live the way that I

739
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 3: like it, and I don't like it in a hostile way.

740
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 3: So we have a nurturing, kind place. Some people respond

741
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: to that, some people are freaked out by it, and

742
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: that's entirely their choice.

743
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of human beings and how humans can kind

744
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: of be imperfect reliant yourself, No, I'm perfect. I don't

745
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about Relianism is called Realianism because

746
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: the leader is named real Right, there's a man who

747
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: actually started this movement, kind of the prophet. So can

748
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: you tell us about him and how it all kind

749
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: of began in the seventies.

750
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I can tell you what I know

751
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: about him. He's always been very kind to me. He's

752
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 3: always been very supportive and just he's been very nice

753
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 3: to me, always very respectful in every way. He is

754
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: someone who I mean, it's his philosophy. He wrote the book. Now,

755
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: the claims that are made in the book, which I

756
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: say use the word claims that are made in the

757
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: book because for me, I believe they're true, but for

758
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 3: other people they just claims. So I'm just using a

759
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 3: terminology that's easy for people to kind of relate to.

760
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 3: Is my attempt by saying the claims I don't believe

761
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 3: they're just claims. But he claimed that he met a

762
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: human being who told him that their humanity is slightly

763
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: different human being to us, smaller, etc. That they created

764
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: all life on this planet, and they gave him various

765
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 3: scientific statements to back up their assertions, and then that

766
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 3: he had to then publish this information to a book

767
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: and then share it with people in the world and

768
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: then that's that's all he had to do. So that's

769
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: what he did. And of course because he claimed that

770
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: he'd met an extraterrestrial human being who'd given him this information,

771
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: people say he's nuts, and of course that's a bog

772
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 3: standard box standard insult for anybody. I mean a guarantee,

773
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 3: guarantee that there will be you know, a percentage of

774
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: people listening to me speak now that saying I'm absolutely

775
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: barking mad, and that is total. They're absolutely right. It

776
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: doesn't make me mad though, it doesn't make me imbalanced,

777
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: it doesn't make my logic illogical, it doesn't make it's

778
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: just people's opinions. And the truth is he wrote a

779
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: book that he published and tried to make available for

780
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: as many people as possible, and people read it, some

781
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: responded to it in a positive way, and responded to

782
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: in a negative way, and he then founded the Ralian Movement.

783
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 3: In fact, he founded a movement before called Madek. That's

784
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: again it's not the story. So we found it called Madek.

785
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: But it had to because a French law, it had

786
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 3: to be in a specific structure, which he felt was

787
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 3: dictatorial and not helpful to ideals of the message, which

788
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: is freedom and etc. So he abolished that movement and

789
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: set up the only movement under a different criteria. So

790
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: the Ralian movement is he set it up, and that's

791
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: it really is, in a nutshell, if you want me

792
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 3: to put it in a nuts shell. Rail met an

793
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 3: extraterrestrial who told him that all life on this planet

794
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: was created by a race of human beings from another

795
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: planet who were watching and waiting to share their knowledge

796
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: and share their experiences their truth with the humanity that

797
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: they had created. But they were watching from Afar to

798
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: see how we were doing. And they won't intervene until

799
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 3: they're asked to intervene by enough people recognizing that they exist.

800
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 3: And he said, but his name was Claude, It wasn't Reel.

801
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: He was told to change his name to Rail, and

802
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 3: it means in the light bringer or bringer of truth

803
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: or something in Hebrew. Forgive me. I don't know exactly.

804
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: Is it Riel or Rail or either?

805
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: Well, I know one time I called him Rael. He

806
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: said it's Riel, but ryle, I say Israel. I don't

807
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 3: say Israel. So it all depends on the accent.

808
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: Really, I see.

809
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 3: So it's it's Rael if you say Israel, if you're

810
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: it's Rael if you say Israel, but I say Rail,

811
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: and I obviously can't pronounce it.

812
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha. So I'm curious about how the movement is interpreting, like,

813
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: for example, these Pentagon videos that they've finally admitted they

814
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: didn't know what the objects were, Like, is there any

815
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: connection to like actual unidentify I find aerial phenomena that

816
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: people see, or is that kind of a separate thing.

817
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 3: Honestly, I wouldn't have a clue, because I say that's

818
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: only because extraterrestrials I believe exist. I believe that they

819
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 3: they've been here and they've been coming here and watching

820
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: us from the skies throughout human history. So I think

821
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: there's a certain amount of UAPs, people calling them now

822
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: phenomena as supposed to UFOs, that a percentage of those

823
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: are both man made craft that's probably American military, Soviet military,

824
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, Chinese military, I don't know, and also

825
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: a percentage of them that are from possibly even a

826
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: natural source and that we don't yet nowhere understand. And

827
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: there's also a percentage them that may well be extraterrestrial

828
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: I personally have not a clue and I don't have

829
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: any opinion on it in the sense that, yes, there's

830
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: a disclosure coming, or it's calm, or it's happened or whatever.

831
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: But I'm not vaguely surprised that extraterrestrial life exists. Therefore,

832
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: I tend to not go to depending on website and

833
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 3: find out because I don't care. I believe that the

834
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 3: lum exists, but I don't need other people to see

835
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: that or believe it, or to admit it to to

836
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 3: know it, because I don't know how much I trust

837
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 3: governments anyway to tell the truth, even when they purportedly

838
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: telling the truth.

839
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: So there's no like feeling around the world potentially like

840
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: finally understanding that extraterrestrial life could be real or anything.

841
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when people already they're ready and

842
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter.

843
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think the RALI certainly the aspect of

844
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 3: the really world that I'm versed with, no one really

845
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: worried about it. I mean, we're not interested necessarily in

846
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: a vehicle, so I'm not interested in a spaceship. I

847
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 3: remember doing an interview with a guy who is a

848
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: journalist in Britain, and he was desperate for me to

849
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 3: say spaceship. He wanted to use it as a sound

850
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 3: bite arrived in space. It was almost it's almost it

851
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: was almost like talking to an eleven year old was

852
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: desperately trying to get me to say they came in

853
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: a spaceship, you know, And I say, I'm just not

854
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 3: interested in the mode of transport. I'm not interested in

855
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 3: a Ferrari or a Beaghatty or a you know what,

856
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: I don't I don't give a shit. I don't care

857
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 3: whether they're flying around in tiny little spaceships. And I'm

858
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: interested in human beings. And I'm interested in are we

859
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 3: good or are we not so good? What is our purpose?

860
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: What is our nature? If you're not so good, then

861
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to stand against you unfortunately. If you're if

862
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: you're good, I'm just going to stand with you. And

863
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: how how I view good is if you have other

864
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 3: people's best interests at heart, their developments, their sensitivity. They're saying,

865
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: you know, that's how I judge good or not so good,

866
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: people controlling, not controlling with their own selfish motives or

867
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 3: not so. I'm interested in the philosophy of the people

868
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 3: in the machine, not the machine. So I don't give

869
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: a ship. If the plents a and say, look at

870
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 3: this flying six hundred billion miles an hour, then all

871
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 3: of a sudden it stopped in my vertical I'm like you,

872
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: I love the fact it's like being I don't like

873
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: I don't play video games either, you know, I'm not

874
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: interested in that.

875
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'll.

876
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: Play my guitar and singing a song and and sit

877
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 3: with you and say, what did you think of that

878
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: that lyrics? Ship? What would you what would you put there?

879
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: What does it make any difference? Like, I want to

880
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: hear what you think. I want to hear your sensitivity.

881
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 3: I want to hear your your femininity. I want to

882
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: be influenced by it. I want that. So until the

883
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: Pentagon is saying this is who we met and this

884
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: is what we said, and this is who they are,

885
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: and this is what they're trying to do, then I'm

886
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: just not interested.

887
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: So they're called the Elohim lloo l o H.

888
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: I M.

889
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: Why Reill is there? And are there any other people

890
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: who are in communication with them that you know of?

891
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: Or he's like the one?

892
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 3: Well? Why real? They didn't choose Rail to start with,

893
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: because in the same respects as if you're a Christian

894
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,959
Speaker 3: and you believe in the way that Jesus was born,

895
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: God didn't choose Jesus. They chose Mary, and Mary gave

896
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: birth to a son called Jesus, if you believe the story.

897
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: So in the same respect as the Elohim chose a

898
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 3: person who would bring up a child, they couldn't just

899
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: materialize somebody on earth and say, okay, now we're going

900
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: to fake all these documents so everyone he doesn't look

901
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: suspicious at all, because that's nuts, isn't it. So a

902
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 3: child would be born to somebody, and that person would

903
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 3: have to be someone who is sensitive and kind and

904
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: has the ability to raise a child without making them fearful,

905
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: afraid of expressing themselves, needing to seek the approval of others.

906
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 3: So they would need to choose someone who was a woman,

907
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: who could who could nurture, who had the right personality,

908
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: right temperance, nurture a child in the way that I

909
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: think all children possibly should be nurtured in a positive environment.

910
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 3: So it's that person that was chosen, and then a

911
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 3: child was created. In the same respect as IVF creates

912
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: children or artificial insemination creates children, etc.

913
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: And have there been other like with Jesus also in

914
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: like is that a part of the Blie system that

915
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: Jesus was also in? Yes, part Alian or sorry, part

916
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: Alien or I'm saying it wrong.

917
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 3: That all all of the prophets, the major profits, forty

918
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: prophets in all, are all teaching the same thing, all

919
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: teaching that you know, life was created, everything's from the Torah,

920
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: and you know the Jewish books, these incredibly rich, detailed

921
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 3: discussion explanation of an incredibly wonderful philosophy of Judaism that's

922
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 3: the basis of all of the major religions. So they're

923
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 3: all based in the same thing. So all of the

924
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 3: prophets are profits of the element, including motive, that's the

925
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 3: railing philosophy. So in the same respect as I think Christians,

926
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: I shouldn't use the word Christians because I know that's

927
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: not the name of the actual religion. But again you

928
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: have to forgive me. I'm not sure one hundred percent

929
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: of what the full religion is actually called. But I

930
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 3: was chatting to a Christian guy when I was giving

931
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 3: free meditations, and he said, oh, I come into your

932
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: class and I was like, yeah, come on, and I

933
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: come in. He says, do you what do you believe in?

934
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 3: And he was saying, we believe as in as a

935
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 3: Krishna monk. There is a creator which can be God,

936
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 3: and then there are thousands of demigods. And you know,

937
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 3: in some respects that kind of embraces that aspect too.

938
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: That there are men and women who created life on earth,

939
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 3: part of the Lehim or a race of human beings.

940
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 3: There is a leader of the race of human beings,

941
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 3: which you could call God or ya Away or whatever.

942
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 3: And there are many many other scientists that created life,

943
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 3: some of who are transsexual. You name it, all the

944
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 3: many many variations of life and sexuality, sensuality, identification, whatever

945
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: you want to whatever terminology you want to put to it.

946
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 3: And those are the people that created all life, in

947
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 3: all of its colors and all of its glories on

948
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: Earth and this humanity. And so it also agrees with Christianity,

949
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: It agrees with Buddhism, agrees with so many things. If

950
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 3: you want to find a common source, if you want

951
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: to disagree, disagree with anything, I can fight you and

952
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 3: argue about anything. You know, finds something to disagree. But

953
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 3: there are lots of similarities, of similarities and beautiful aspects

954
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 3: of incredible religions that are echoed in the Railian phosphere.

955
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: I find the emphasis on science very interesting in particular. Yeah,

956
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: there's this sort of like marriage of religion and science.

957
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: So can you tell us why cloning is important? That

958
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: that's a facet of thinking right.

959
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 3: To a degree. Yes, it's not important per se to me,

960
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 3: to me Glenn as a as a, as a Raelian,

961
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 3: I don't go. One day we'll clone somebody and it'll

962
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 3: be amazing. I don't care, you know, And I've got

963
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 3: to be honest. It's not saying to you sleep over

964
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 3: and I dream about it. I don't care. But is

965
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 3: it important? Well, yes, I mean ultimately, if you want

966
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 3: to eradicate death, then there is a potential of transferring

967
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 3: all memory and personality from a dying person into a

968
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 3: rejuvenated body of that person and giving them a second lifespan.

969
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 3: Is it possibly? Lots of objections to that which I

970
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 3: totally hear, and I've heard and have discussed many many times.

971
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: That's so I share some I don't share. But there

972
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 3: is an option of if, for example, a very loving,

973
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 3: kind person was raped to murder on the way home tonight,

974
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: that they don't ever have to die. They can be

975
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 3: recreated and returned to the Whence science has the ability

976
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 3: to reverse evil doing. And I use that evil doing

977
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 3: just because it's a phrase that makes you know, you

978
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean when I say evil doing? I hope,

979
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 3: although I don't necessarily believe in evil, but if someone

980
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 3: is murdered, I want to cure. I want I want

981
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 3: to stop that being the end of their life. If

982
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 3: it's potentially possible, which it is potentially possible, to transfer

983
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 3: their memory and all of their aspects of their personality,

984
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 3: which is their DNA, every aspect of their physicality, and

985
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: every memory of their entire existence is all that we are.

986
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 3: In essence, there is nothing else. I don't believe that

987
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 3: that can then be transferred, so the person can be

988
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 3: reborn and no longer be the victim of such a

989
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 3: heinous crime. So do I think that cloning in that

990
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: respect could be good? Do I think it can be

991
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 3: also misused? Of course? Do I think it should be

992
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 3: not absolutely not allowed to be misused? Of course? Do

993
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 3: I think creating you know, soldiers and clones, you know forces?

994
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 3: Is I think I think there are plenty of people

995
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 3: who want to join the military and do that. They

996
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 3: need clones for that. Although that's one of the main

997
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 3: objections to people saying people create armies. Well, yeah, but

998
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 3: it's going to take years. It's going to say eighteen years. Fully,

999
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 3: you know, eight hundred thousand a million clones supported, educated, indoctrinated.

1000
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 3: But clone has his own individual personality, so you'll get

1001
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: conscientious objectives amongst those. It's not really it's not really

1002
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 3: something that I think would be ever a useful wave

1003
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 3: of using the technology. But I do think there are

1004
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 3: amazing aspects of both therapeutic human cloning and reproductive human cloning,

1005
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 3: which I'm not against either, but I'm not for all

1006
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 3: aspects of it either.

1007
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: Is the goal eternal life? Is that the like sort

1008
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: of endgame?

1009
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 3: I don't know the questions for you, so is the

1010
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 3: goal eternal life? I don't know. The goal I've just

1011
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 3: laid out is what I think would be the best

1012
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 3: use for is to remove the tragedy from people's lives

1013
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 3: of unexpected death and illness. And that's my personal feeling.

1014
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 3: Is eternal life a possibility for some people? Yes, I

1015
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 3: think eternal life, of course is possible. For every single

1016
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 3: person living right now if the technology is able to

1017
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 3: achieve that, But then you'd have to say you can't

1018
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: have any more children anybody. So that's that's potentially a possibility.

1019
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: Do you think that's a good thing or a bad thing?

1020
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: That's entirely up to you and for you. You know

1021
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 3: what I think is that's not necessarily a good thing.

1022
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 3: But is the possibility that human beings have the right

1023
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 3: to come to the conclusion that actually is a good

1024
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 3: thing or actually isn't a good thing? That that should

1025
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 3: be open for debate and discussion for everybody to partake

1026
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: in for decades and decades before the technology arrives. Because

1027
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 3: once the technology arrives, then you've got panic because people

1028
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 3: want to start using it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

1029
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 3: That is an issue. So to make things a taboo

1030
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: subject is in my personal view, counterproductive for the benefit

1031
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 3: of human beings. But do I agree with with cloning

1032
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: one hundred percent to its maximum one hundred percent of

1033
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: time forever? No, Yeah, that'd be awful.

1034
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: I think about what would happen and if that, I

1035
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: guess I should say when, because I imagine it is

1036
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: going to happen at some point when it is possible

1037
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: to transfer our memories into a cloud, say, and put

1038
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: it into a new body or whatever. I imagine that

1039
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: that is something that would only be able to be

1040
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: utilized by the very, very rich, which for me is

1041
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: maybe one of the bigger problems.

1042
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I agree with you on that,

1043
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 3: but so it instructed just we say the same thing

1044
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 3: about these developments every time something is developed. For example,

1045
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 3: I don't believe that cars should be allowed to be

1046
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: on the road because they're dangerous, they'll kill people, and

1047
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 3: they'll only be for the super rich. Well, yes, that

1048
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 3: was true at first, but then everybody has cars. There's

1049
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 3: way too many cars. You want to get rid of

1050
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 3: the fucking cars. Choose my language, But there are too

1051
00:58:54,720 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 3: many cars. There's too much, so much consumer Yes, but

1052
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 3: that's the other end of the scale. Of course, there

1053
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 3: is a degree where Elil Musk can fly to the

1054
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: moon if he wants, and so can you know, base

1055
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 3: us go up into space. Of course, because he's a

1056
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 3: multi multi gazillionaire, and you know, good luck to him.

1057
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 3: Let him go and let them go.

1058
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: I also think is a little bit unethical to be

1059
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: spending money.

1060
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 3: You know, we're not on the different page here. I'm

1061
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 3: just talking almost philosophically. Yes, I think honestly, there are

1062
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 3: people starving, starving and living in the street, and I've lived,

1063
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: I've been homeless. I'm telling you now, it's not comfortable.

1064
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 3: It's freezing. I still get when I get a cough.

1065
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 3: It takes months for me to get rid of it.

1066
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 3: All my career have been played with if I breed

1067
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 3: too deeply. Sometimes when I've had a cough too much,

1068
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 3: I struggle to to not breathe. That's because I have

1069
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 3: pneumonia twice. Because I've lived on the street. I have

1070
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Speaker 3: been homeless. It is not cool. Start that out before

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Speaker 3: you start gallivanting with your mates in space, even though

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Speaker 3: you do absolutely have the right to do that. But

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Speaker 3: don't you know, I think the gloating and look at me,

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Speaker 3: Look what I can do, Look out, look how look

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Speaker 3: what how wonderful this is. And I'm the first, but

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Speaker 3: you're all going to follow me. You feed the feed

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Speaker 3: the kid first, educate the children first, do that first. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: look after. That's my philosophy. But I'm just talking in

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Speaker 3: general terms, in the sense that we always, as a

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Speaker 3: human race, say yes, but it'll be, you know, something

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Speaker 3: for the rich. And it's true at first for almost

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01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 3: everything was the same for walkman's, you know, for I

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01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 3: still call them a walkman. Sorry that shows my age,

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01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 3: but like it's a little personal stereo put on a

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Speaker 3: strap around me with the taping, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I saved three weeks wages for one of these things

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Speaker 3: now just and then sometime after that I could get

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Speaker 3: them from like four quid, which I was probably under

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Speaker 3: ten dollars, which still is too much money for some people,

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Speaker 3: you know. But I say for weeks for those things,

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Speaker 3: because and all the rich people happen day one. But

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Speaker 3: so what, ultimately, I think, so what for those sort

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Speaker 3: of things? You know? So what I to wait three years?

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Speaker 1: Death, I think is a bit of a bigger question.

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Speaker 1: But I hear your point.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to just stick talking about what you're doing

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Speaker 3: about I'm developing the subject in the sense that if

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Speaker 3: it's okay for okay, let's go that comments. Right, So

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Speaker 3: death is a bit more of a bigger issue. Fine,

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Speaker 3: But if Bezos decides that he can afford to develop

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Speaker 3: the technology, and he's the first person to develop the technology,

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Speaker 3: and he's doing it selfishly, completely selfishly for himself to

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Speaker 3: have an eternal life. That's one person on the planet,

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Speaker 3: one extra person. Good luck to him. Let him have it.

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Speaker 3: I want him to have it, because if he's taken

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Speaker 3: the risk and develop that technology with trillions of his

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Speaker 3: own dollars, and then your child or my friend's grandson

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01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 3: or whatever who dies or get prematurely age can then

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01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 3: benefit from that technology. Great. So what the Bezos was

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01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 3: a rich, potentially entitled person who did it for himself

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01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 3: because he couldn't stand the ego of his ego dying

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Speaker 3: off the planet. I don't know, and I don't care.

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Speaker 3: If he can afford to develop it, let him develop it,

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01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 3: let him utilize it. It's only one person. Let him

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Speaker 3: and the twenty best mates to it. Let him twenty

1116
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Speaker 3: thousand best mates to it. It's only twenty thousand people.

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01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 3: That are eight billion of us. And then let the

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Speaker 3: people who can't afford to develop it benefit from it.

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Speaker 3: Then who's going to start complaining it? So when my

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Speaker 3: best mate's daughter has been murdered and Bezos's technology is

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Speaker 3: now benefiting that person to somehow have it, have that

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Speaker 3: awful tragedy reversed. Am I going to be one of

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Speaker 3: the people picketing bezos saying you still shouldn't have done

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Speaker 3: it your selfish, No, because that's so mind numbingly small.

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Speaker 3: It's mine numbingly small. Let those which people develop it

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Speaker 3: with their egos and then to do it brilliant, and

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01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 3: then copyright only last certain amount of years. Then it'll

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Speaker 3: be owned by the whole of humanity. Then lets us

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Speaker 3: and humanity decide how best to use this technology.

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Speaker 1: Party. Yeah, I mean that is an interesting debate overall.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people have a lot of

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Speaker 1: qualms about it for a variety of reasons. But that

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Speaker 1: could that could be a topic for another day, because

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Speaker 1: because boy, one can get one can get pretty deep

1135
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Speaker 1: into the question of whether it's even moral or whatever. Okay,

1136
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: so much more to explore. We're going to leave that

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Speaker 1: there for now. Come back next week for part two.

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Speaker 1: We kind of get deep into the shit in the

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Speaker 1: next part. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited. Hopefully I didn't

1140
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Speaker 1: offend anyone. I just like you know, I got I

1141
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: gotta dig a little deeper. Sometimes no one knows what

1142
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about because they haven't heard that part yet. So, Megan,

1143
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: do you think that if you were. I actually don't

1144
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: really understand what Glenn's position in life was at the

1145
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: time other than him finding the book, but like, if

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01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: you do, you think that these same ideas would appeal

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01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: to you. Yes, yeah, okay, go on, Yeah, well already

1148
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh that, I mean that makes sense.

1149
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: Like I just don't understand how the world started. So

1150
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Speaker 1: anybody who gives me any answer, I'm like, Okay, I'll

1151
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: look into that more. You know, I could see myself

1152
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: getting getting into it for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I forgot to ask him one question, and I'm kicking myself,

1155
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Speaker 1: which was that, like, what do they think of the

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Speaker 1: like early human skeletons that are you know, Chrole, magnum

1157
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Speaker 1: man or whatever. Ooh, I wish you would have I know, right, Like,

1158
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Speaker 1: is do they believe that that is the eloheme like

1159
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Speaker 1: adjusting intentionally and there's just like no such thing as evolution,

1160
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Speaker 1: or do they believe that evolution happened as a result

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Speaker 1: of the elohem putting us here?

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Speaker 2: Well, here's what I think we need to do. I

1163
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 2: think we need to email him that question and tell

1164
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Speaker 2: the answer on the next Yeah, I think you're right,

1165
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 2: as I have to know, now, I think you're right,

1166
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of evidence for evolution, and as

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Speaker 2: I kind of inserted something earlier in the episode, most

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Speaker 2: the majority, the vast majority of the scientific community degrees that.

1169
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: It exists or if that is real. So I would

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Speaker 1: love to know what their position is on that. I

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Speaker 1: think that, like, I find some of those ideas really appealing.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm very interested in the idea of life on

1173
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: other planets and the idea that they're more advanced than us,

1174
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Speaker 1: And I find it very intriguing this idea that they've

1175
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: been here all along and are like checking up on us.

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Speaker 1: But some of the positions I don't think I would

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01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: find as appealing. Yeah, just like to my you know,

1178
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Speaker 1: my like sort of research minded brain that's like interested

1179
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: in evidence, I think some of that would maybe not

1180
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: appeal to me as much. However, seems like you' sa

1181
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: having a good time.

1182
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 2: If anyone's gonna make me believe in it, it's gonna

1183
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 2: be Glenny.

1184
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, you know, I know, I want to

1185
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: talk to Rail himself. I wonder like how convincing Rail

1186
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: himself could be, you know, for sure, obviously very convincing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, well, anyway,

1187
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Speaker 1: we are just trying to be open minded and get

1188
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: to know all different kinds of people and all different

1189
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: kind of groups here. If you guys have any questions

1190
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: or thoughts or concerns, please let us know. Megan take

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01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: it away.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, we hope that you have an amazing week.

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Speaker 2: We can't wait to see you here next time. And

1194
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 2: remember to follow your gut, watch out for red flags,

1195
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Speaker 2: and never ever trust me. Bye,