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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Tuesday, February third, and we

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Speaker 1: sure hope the authorities know more about the disappearance of

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Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie's mom than they're telling the public, because we

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Speaker 1: just listened to a new briefing and we saw the

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Speaker 1: sheriff several times throw his literally throw his arms in

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Speaker 1: the airs to say I don't know. And with that,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. But as

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Speaker 1: we start this episode, Robes, there was something very at

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Speaker 1: least to us, that stood out. We'll get into what

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Speaker 1: he didn't know, but we want to first robe what

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't say, and that's whether or not a ransom

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Speaker 1: has come in.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, because he kept saying no, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, and he kept shooting down lots of other questions,

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Speaker 2: it was notable that he quickly glossed over without addressing

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Speaker 2: the ransom question. And then, thankfully you were waiting for it,

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Speaker 2: someone follow up and ask again. I was desperate the

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Speaker 2: last question. A reporter you were like yes, finally followed

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Speaker 2: up and said, hey, when someone asked you whether a

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Speaker 2: ransom has been asked, you didn't say yes or no.

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Speaker 2: And then he just said we are following all leads,

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Speaker 2: which to me and to you, babe, was very talent.

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Speaker 1: It's very easy to say no. It's very easy to

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Speaker 1: say no, that's not happening. Does that hurt your investigation?

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Speaker 1: To say no, we've eliminated that. He's eliminated some other things.

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Speaker 1: She didn't wander off, he's eliminated. Say no, to say nope,

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Speaker 1: there's no ransom rogues. He was asked twice he had

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Speaker 1: kinds of investigative leads we're working on, we have all

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Speaker 1: is there a ransom? We have all kinds of investigative

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Speaker 1: leads we're working on. Rose. That was a non answer.

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Speaker 1: It sounded evasive to me. For whatever reason he has

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Speaker 2: And he's and you know, because he quickly and I

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Speaker 2: that we are following, you know, all of our investigative

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Speaker 2: So when someone followed up, and he repeated it hurriedly

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Speaker 2: the only bit of new information that he didn't give

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Speaker 1: The rest of it, you just take him at his word.

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Speaker 1: He gave direct answers, saying I don't know and everything.

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Speaker 1: This is the only thing if you're trying to read

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Speaker 1: something from this press conference, Ropes, that is something that,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, at least in that moment and still

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Speaker 3: Up, is glaring.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: We have talked about how unlikely it is that somebody

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Speaker 3: That's just it seems so unlikely.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and look, obviously, well, I say obviously, we certainly hope,

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Speaker 2: as you started off this episode by saying, they know

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Speaker 2: more than they're telling us, But it would make sense

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Speaker 2: immediately that a crime had taken place, that she was

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Speaker 2: taken against her will, that she was abducted. All of

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Speaker 2: that would follow with a targeted and they were asked,

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Speaker 2: was this targeted? Was this random? And he just said,

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Speaker 1: Besides rogues, we're talking about the ransom question. The other

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Speaker 1: thing that really jumped out at me. The next briefing

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Speaker 2: The babe there would always normally be you and I

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Speaker 2: have covered enough of it, and they know this story

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Speaker 2: has garnered national and most likely international interest because of

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Speaker 2: who Savannah Guthrie is. She is a household name, she

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Speaker 2: at eighty four years old, was taken against her will

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Speaker 2: that you would expect a sheriff's department. They've got the

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Speaker 2: certainly and not even just a daily briefing. I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: There were a bunch of questions in that press conference

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Speaker 1: Robes and he with those two things. I think it's

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Speaker 1: Asked what she was wearing? Asked, hey, what was she wearing?

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Speaker 1: What should we look for?

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Speaker 2: I don't know?

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Speaker 3: Asked hey, does she leave in a car?

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Speaker 2: Don't know?

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Speaker 1: Was it one person? Was it several people that were

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Speaker 2: Unclear?

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Speaker 3: And like you said, random or targeted?

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Speaker 1: Don't know, knows nothing about nothing. Do you have the

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Speaker 3: We should be faster. Has the DNA been processed? Was

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Speaker 3: there blood? No?

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Speaker 1: No, we had to send it to a lab. So

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Speaker 1: we're waiting. Robes.

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Speaker 3: There was not much of an update.

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Speaker 2: It was interesting and look, if any of you have

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Speaker 2: have because we've been doing it too, because we're all

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Speaker 2: desperate for answers, because this is such a bizarre, unexplained

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Speaker 2: lot of there's always leaks in police departments and in

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Speaker 2: thing that he did say specifically is that they have

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Speaker 2: collected samples of DNA. Now he wouldn't get more specific

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Speaker 1: So hard I was, I was taking at the very beginning,

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Speaker 2: And it was frustrating to the journalists because look, on

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Speaker 2: still were The FBI agent didn't say much, but he

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Speaker 2: just said, literally, I wrote this down, please help us

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Speaker 2: I just I haven't seen law enforcement seem so desperate

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Speaker 2: the police, they gave zero direction from clothing to car

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Speaker 2: of folks who are You're asking for our help and

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Speaker 2: maybe to help people residents jog their memory or say

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Speaker 2: oh I was here then, or I noticed this. There

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Speaker 3: Which is it?

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Speaker 1: It's because they don't know anything, or it's because they

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I think it definitely could be the ladder

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Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie has medication that she needs that she left behind.

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Speaker 2: I mean she left her She didn't bring her phone,

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Speaker 2: she didn't bring her medication, she didn't bring her wallet,

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Speaker 2: she didn't bring her car key, I mean nothing. So

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Speaker 2: they said twenty four hours and it could be fatal.

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Speaker 2: So it's an obvious question for a reporter to ask, hey,

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Speaker 2: it's been forty eight hours, you know what's the situation.

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Speaker 2: And he said, well, we hope she's still alive. That

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Speaker 1: So, given what they said about the medication, twenty four

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Speaker 1: a lack of some type of hair on fire urgency.

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Speaker 1: how you're telling us we urgently need to find her

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Speaker 1: and press I'll talk to you in two days. You

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Speaker 1: all that we need your help and keeping this story

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Speaker 1: two days to update you.

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Speaker 3: Robes. That doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't We don't need three decades in journalism to

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Speaker 1: make that sense. That doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of that. And he did say he

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Speaker 1: We don't anticipate a quick end to this to where

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Speaker 1: I can plan for two days.

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Speaker 3: Robes.

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Speaker 2: That does We both looked at each other when he

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Speaker 2: said that. It was confusing. That doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: This is urgent, that the time is ticking for her

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Speaker 2: well being, she needs her meds, and yet we'll talk

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Speaker 2: to you in two days.

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Speaker 3: It just did not make sense. But stay here.

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Speaker 1: Will will tell you what investigative tool he thinks he

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Speaker 1: is going to need to help crack this case when

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Speaker 1: we come back. Also, of course, we'll give you a

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Speaker 1: reminder of the words of Savannah Guthrie. Certainly hoping for

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Speaker 1: everybody's not just their help and their tips, but also

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Speaker 1: their prayers. Stare we continue here on this Tuesday, February third.

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Speaker 1: Just got an update from the Sheriff's department out there

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Speaker 1: in Arizona and update Robes that wasn't much of an update.

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Speaker 3: Reeled off what.

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Speaker 1: He didn't know, didn't know, didn't know, didn't know having

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Speaker 1: and Rose the simplest of things. What should we look

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Speaker 2: They have offered now a twenty five hundred dollars reward

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Speaker 1: Again, I know some of those come through crime stoppers

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Speaker 2: You don't want to, Yeah, you don't want to incentivize

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Speaker 2: He said that you would typically spect investigators to take

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Speaker 3: You for it?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you do one press conference, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got work to do, and he said that repeatedly.

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