1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news single best idea out 2 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: on Apple podcasts, and trust me, not six minutes, not 3 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: five minutes. This could be a thirty minute single best idea. 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm not going to flick that on you in August, 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: but a set of incredible conversations today. Front center was 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: our conversation on this merger of Kellogg's snack food division 7 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: into the private company Mars. They make Mars bars and Snickers, 8 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: I guess, and things like that. But we covered that 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: very carefully and I think maybe that's a precursor of 10 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: things to come. I'm really fascinated by to the end 11 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: of the year what we see in terms of m 12 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: and A really at all capitalization levels. First, on inflation, 13 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: interesting report double earl it PPI before CPI. Thank you 14 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: to Bob Sinchump in Connecticut for the observation that what 15 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: was key here is PPI was out front of CPI. 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: So maybe we didn't get the glory today, we got 17 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: it yesterday. But there's a tinge of disinflation certainly within 18 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: those two reports. Retail sales tomorrow on CPI want to 19 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: watch some very interesting observations out on lagging shelter inflation. 20 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: Neil Dotta of Renmac on the mortgage rate. 21 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I certainly think that mortgage rates need 22 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: to follow a lot more from here in order to 23 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: juice the housing market, which means that the Fed has 24 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: a little bit of work to do. You know, it's interesting, 25 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: you're if you look at mortgage rates, I mean, they're 26 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: basically running at the lowest level since I think last spring. 27 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: But you haven't really seen home sales or purchased demand 28 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: run at the best level since last spring. So why 29 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: would that be? And that's because I think inflation has 30 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: slowed more rapidly. So six and a half percent on 31 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: to your fixed looks a lot better when inflation's four 32 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: and a half percent then when it's two and so 33 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: just a reminder that real rights are still quite elevated. 34 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: Neil Dunna of Renmac there on inflation and again retail 35 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: sales tomorrow. Retail sales is quoted before you take out inflation. 36 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: What's called nominally and is Mike McKee does he take 37 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: it out and adjust for inflation. He's sort of kind 38 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: of like, but retail sales will be important tomorrow as 39 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: we slide into an August. We can on the e 40 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: CEO GO terminal screen. There are twenty lines of economic 41 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: data tomorrow that gives you an idea of the import 42 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: of it. I could do a one hour discussion, a 43 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: monologue and bore you all to death over our conversation 44 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: today with Stephen Rashudo of Miszuo Stevershudo is one of 45 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: the most Prussian people in the game. He was absolutely 46 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: spellbinding on the death of the study of knesy and economics, 47 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: the Hicksian John Hicks ISLM model. Not going to go 48 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: into the details on it, but basically, the LM curve 49 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: of the X is the financial markets, and the IS 50 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: curve of the X is the real economy markets, and 51 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: we spend a lot of time talking about the real economy. 52 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: The summation of it is, he looks for an imputed 53 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: larger inflation in America. Is the IS curve shift to 54 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: the right. Don't keep score at home on us, don't 55 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: draw any maps in your car. But the answer is 56 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: he looks for a nudge to a more persistent inflation 57 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: in America. Pushing against that is a global disinflation. Where 58 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: does it meet. It meets in the currency market. Stephen 59 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: Rashudo of miszuo. The importance of the dollar. 60 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: Watch the currency. The currency is critical here because it's 61 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: a debate. It's a battle in the US be between 62 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: domestic cyclical forces and global deflationary forces. And those global 63 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 3: deflationary forces are real, they're palpable. I understand them. You 64 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: don't have to go much beyond the just looking at 65 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: the latest numbers news coming out of out of China 66 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: and have to look at what's happening in terms of 67 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 3: Europe and other parts around the world. Global deflation is real, 68 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 3: but so is domestic cyclical inflation, and the currency has 69 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 3: been the factor. D x Y, your Bloomberg measure on 70 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 3: the currency, went from parody one hundred to one sixteen. 71 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 3: We're now coming back. We're at one o two. I 72 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: don't know what it is right now, but we broke 73 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: through the one oh three level. We're heading towards one 74 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: o two. Early day you get back to parody, and 75 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 3: guess what the dollars no longer allowing global disinflation to 76 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 3: be imported into the US economy. 77 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: Steven Rashudo of MISSOUI there are d x Y quoted 78 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: it one oh two. Issu ishu means, you know, take 79 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: the decimal points into account and it has come down 80 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: from one O four one o three, one oh two. 81 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: The Bloomberg Dollar Index, which I call bb d x 82 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: y Bloomberg get it. Bb DXY is twelve forty something 83 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: and that's actually mathematically a much more interesting index. It 84 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: it takes into account em and China and the rest. 85 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: Were DXY is only the major traditional European trading partners 86 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: with Japanese yen. As well as that that was too 87 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: much for an August you know, that was just way 88 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: too much. We need to exit. Let's exit with this 89 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: android auto Apple car play. Thank you for the note 90 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: out on Apple car Play today. I didn't know that 91 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 1: when our guests come up, they come up on Apple CarPlay, 92 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: which is very cool on YouTube. Thank you so much. 93 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: Subscribe to Bloomberg Podcasts. 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